Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Also something about a lack of girly drinks. What would you consider a girly drink? Baileys? Southern Comfort? From what I remember, the CoY did not do *real* southern comfort - only an inferior clone... -- Natalie S. Ford ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.natalie.ourshack.org/ http://natalief.livejournal.com/
Re: [OT] Credit cards
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:13:06AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm looking for a credit card with a 0% rate on balance transfers for n months for some n = 6. Being able to manage it over the web would be very good too. I already have an Egg card, so aside from that, any recommendations? Other than to take it to a more appropriate forum, or just look in a fucking newspaper, no. -- Grumpy Cantrell | Benevolent Dictator | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david I hear you asking yourselves why?. Hurd will be out in a year ... -- Linus Torvalds, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emergency Dim Sum!
Kake needs steamed dumplings and fatty pork! So do I! Join us at the New World today, 1pm and help stave off the emergency. -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Natalie S. Ford wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Also something about a lack of girly drinks. What would you consider a girly drink? Baileys? Southern Comfort? From what I remember, the CoY did not do *real* southern comfort - only an inferior clone... I was meaning more of the smirnoff ice variety, no alcopops at all. Not even any red bull. But now you mention it, most of the spirits they have are of the non-branded types. the hatter
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also something about a lack of girly drinks. What would you consider a girly drink? al_murray pint for the fella, white wine or fruit-based drink for the lady /al_murray I dispute this! there is nothing wrong with white wine for the fella. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Credit cards
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:13:06AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm looking for a credit card with a 0% rate on balance transfers for n months for some n = 6. Being able to manage it over the web would be very good too. I already have an Egg card, so aside from that, any recommendations? Other than to take it to a more appropriate forum, or just look in a fucking newspaper, no. Ignoring the grumpiness aspect, he does have some good advice in as much as uk.finance is very good for this sort of question. I occasionally read it at the minute for mortgage reasons and its proved very enlightening. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Credit cards
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the grumpiness aspect, he does have some good advice in as I've replied off-line rather than bickering about it here. much as uk.finance is very good for this sort of question. I occasionally read it at the minute for mortgage reasons and its proved very enlightening. I'll take a look, thanks. Mostly looking for is not incompetent, unlike the people behind the NatWest CC I used to have. aef (Maybe it'll put my name on _this_ mail properly.)
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Thu, 23 May 2002, the hatter wrote:
I was meaning more of the smirnoff ice variety, no alcopops at all.
Smirnoff Ice isn't an alcopop. It's beer (just not the type you have
to pull on handles to pour.)
Not even any red bull.
ENOTVR!
--
s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t-Tputs(cl);for$w(split/ +/
){for(0..30){$|=print$t-Tgoto(cm,$_,$y). $w;select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Wed, 22 May 2002 17:57:25 +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: So, I get the impression that discerning hackers use Debian, not only on this list but from yapcs and so. Why is that? I started using Debian because it was the only distribution I could find at the time which supported m68k platforms. I'm now running Debian unstable on x86 and sparc, and keeping things up to date is simple, even if you use dselect. My limited experience of installing and upgrading packages on RedHat has involved trying to find suitable RPMs, then manually installing them. I'm sure RH has a nice automatic way of doing this, but Debian does it out of the box, and handles the dependencies, too. My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny disk, no networking, and comparitively ancient Debian installation. I haven't switched it on for a year. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're running a mail server, you should have enough technical knowledge to not be vulnerable to mass hysteria about technology. Otherwise, go back to your stone knives and raw mastodon meat. -- Charles Cazabon
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny disk, no ^^ networking, and comparitively ancient Debian installation. I haven't ^^ switched it on for a year. bah :-( Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl regression tests. Nicholas Clark
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
on 23/5/02 10:57 am, Mark Fowler wrote: Smirnoff Ice isn't an alcopop. It's beer (just not the type you have to pull on handles to pour.) Smirnoff Ice in America contains no vodka. 30,000 bottles of Bacardi Breezer are sold in the UK every hour. The next big bottle trend is going to be fruity beer... I think it's Grolsch that's introducing beer with 4 different fruit flavours added. c. -- Die von Ihnen angeforderte Seite konnte leider nicht gefunden werden.
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:10:44AM +0100, Chris Heathcote said: Smirnoff Ice in America contains no vodka. Smirnoff Ice is a weird drink ... What is SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM)? SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM) is a beer alternative brewed using a malt base that gives ICE a refreshing citrus flavored taste. Does SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM) have vodka? NO. SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM) was created as a beer alternative; brewing it using a malt base enabled us to create a recipe that could be sold and consumed just like a beer here in the United States. BUT. SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM) does contain Vodka in many foreign countries including Canada, Brazil, England, Ireland and South Africa. from http://www.smirnoffice.com/faq/ -- : it's not the heat, it's the humanity
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Chris Heathcote wrote:
The next big bottle trend is going to be fruity beer... I think it's
Grolsch that's introducing beer with 4 different fruit flavours added.
Cherry flavoured beer! What will they ever *cough* De Hems *cough* think
of next.
--
s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t-Tputs(cl);for$w(split/ +/
){for(0..30){$|=print$t-Tgoto(cm,$_,$y). $w;select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}
5.005_03 v 5.6.1
Does anyone have any strong feelings (or even weak ones) about 5.005_03 vs 5.6.1. I'd be especially interested in any stories/feelings connected with Solaris or Oracle. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:51AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Does SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM) have vodka? NO. SMIRNOFF ICE^(TM) was created as a beer alternative; brewing it using a malt base enabled us to create a recipe that could be sold and consumed just like a beer here in the United States. There are similar ciders in Sweden brewed on malt so they can be sold in normal shops just like beer[0]. No idea what they taste like. [0] Beer up to 3.5% alcohol can be sold in normal shops here in Sweden, all other alcoholic drinks are only sold in the government monopoly shops Systembolaget. -- Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +447966251290 i want to be different just like you
Re: 5.005_03 v 5.6.1
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:32:12AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
Does anyone have any strong feelings (or even weak ones) about
5.005_03 vs 5.6.1. I'd be especially interested in any
stories/feelings connected with Solaris or Oracle.
For starters the direct 5.6.0 dislike, but it also illustrates printing
in 5.6.x series:
$ cat S560crap.t
#!/usr/local/bin/perl5.6.0 -w
use strict;
my $byte = é;
my $utf8 = $byte . chr 256;
chop $utf8;
if ($utf8 eq $byte) {
printf Yes\n;
} else {
print No\n;
printf %d byte of %d, %b byte of %d\n, length $utf8, ord $utf8,
length $byte, ord $byte;
}
print byte: $byte\n;
print utf8: $utf8\n;
__END__
$ perl5.00503 S560crap.t
Yes
byte: é
utf8: é
$ perl5.6.0 S560crap.t
No
1 byte of 233, 1 byte of 233
byte: é
utf8: é
$ perl5.6.1 S560crap.t
Yes
byte: é
utf8: é
$ perl5.7.3 S560crap.t
Yes
byte: é
utf8: é
But for my general 5.6.1 dislike - I don't trust it. How to spot 5.6.1 from
quite a long way away:
$ cat spot_56x.pl
#!/usr/local/bin/perl5.6.1 -w
use strict;
my $byte = é;
my $utf8 = $byte;
$utf8 .= chr 256; chop $utf8;
my %hash = ($utf8, value);
my ($key) = keys %hash;
if ($key eq $utf8) {
print hash keys ok\n;
} else {
print hash keys not ok - put in $utf8 (ie , $byte, ), got $key\n;
}
my $copy = $utf8;
$copy =~ s/././g;
if (length $copy == length $utf8) {
print regexp ok\n;
} else {
print regexp not ok - put in $utf8 (ie , $byte, ), got $copy\n;
}
my $pid = open CHILD, |-;
die -| failed: $! unless defined $pid;
if ($pid) {
# Parent;
print CHILD $utf8;
close CHILD or die;
} else {
my $io = STDIN;
if ($io eq $utf8) {
print io ok\n;
} else {
print io not ok - put in $utf8 (ie , $byte, ), got $io\n;
}
}
__END__
$ perl5.00503 spot_56x.pl
hash keys ok
regexp ok
io ok
$ perl5.6.1 spot_56x.pl
hash keys not ok - put in é (ie é), got é
regexp not ok - put in é (ie é), got ..
io not ok - put in é (ie é), got é
$ perl5.7.3 spot_56x.pl
hash keys ok
regexp ok
io ok
Of course, the inability of 5.6.1 to print Latin 1 store in Unicode makes
the diagnostic output a bit messy. And I needed ,$byte, to stop it getting
interpolated into utf8 and then garbled.
Basically, if any of your 8 bit data happens to get converted into utf8
by 5.6.1, it is likely to get mangled.
Nicholas Clark
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:40:15AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also something about a lack of girly drinks. What would you consider a girly drink? al_murray pint for the fella, white wine or fruit-based drink for the lady /al_murray I dispute this! there is nothing wrong with white wine for the fella. I've seen Al Murray confiscate wine (and halves of beer) from men in the audience. Dave... -- Shoot some of those missiles, think of us as fatherless scum It won't be forgotten 'cause we'll never say anything nice again Will we? Drugs are just bad m'kay
Re: Fwd: [Strange Attractor] Esperanto!
On Fri 10 May 2002, Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wed June 5th is Esperanto Evening at the Horse Hospital behind Russell Sq. Included is a rare showing of Incubus the only Esperanto film that famously stars William Shatner. I'm up for this; anyone else going to come along? Kake
Re: Linux distribution of choice
So, what distro do people prefer and why? What's better in Debian than in Distro X? What's bad about distro X? soapbox I would switch immediatly to any distribution that didn't split up libraries and header files. What is the big deal of having them there? shurely its more effort to package up without them. ALSO. Whose bright idea withing redhat and mandrake was it to define *everything* as being everything except header files. grrr /soapbox
Forwarded : Excellent Contract in Holland
this may interest some of you ... - Forwarded message from Taylor, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Taylor, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Excellent Contract in Holland Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:13:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.11 We currently have an excellent contract position available in the Netherlands. It is located near the airport so it is ideal for international travel. The main skills are Perl and Mediasurface (java is a bonus). If you are interested please send an upto date Cv to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not available but you know somebody who is please pass this e-mail on. Not only will you find a friend or collegue a job in a difficult market but we will send you a complimentary nbottle of champagne to say thanks. - End forwarded message - -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:40:15AM +0100, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also something about a lack of girly drinks. What would you consider a girly drink? al_murray pint for the fella, white wine or fruit-based drink for the lady /al_murray I dispute this! there is nothing wrong with white wine for the fella. I've seen Al Murray confiscate wine (and halves of beer) from men in the audience. if he went for my wine, there would be trouble -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forwarded : Excellent Contract in Holland
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 02:59:26PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: this may interest some of you ... If you are not available but you know somebody who is please pass this e-mail on. Not only will you find a friend or collegue a job in a difficult market but we will send you a complimentary nbottle of champagne to say thanks. Is an nbottle a suitably large amount? As in 1bottle, 2bottle, 3bottle ...bottle nbottle ...bottle infbottle Presumably the bottle of champagne is what would interest many people here. Nicholas Clark PS I don't mind whether I get Aleph0bottle or Aleph1bottle of champagne. It's not as if I'll be sober enough to reliably count that far :-)
[JOB] Re: Forwarded : Excellent Contract in Holland
* Nicholas Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Presumably the bottle of champagne is what would interest many people here. i didnt actually noticed that, i just sort of thought - Job, some people want one, Amsterdam, some people have lived there. So I forwarded it. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[jobs-admin@perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom, London]
[Forwarded for anyone currently searching for a job who doesn't mind dodgy hotmail accounts] Can anyone say perfect job? Leon - Forwarded message from Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom, London To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23 May 2002 15:12:18 - Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/332 To subscribe to this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted: May 23, 2002 Job title: Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML Company name: Internet Co. Location: United Kingdom, London Pay rate: circa £33k on a pro rata basis Travel: 0% Terms of employment: Salaried employee Length of employment: 3 months Hours: Full time Onsite: yes Description: Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML - to work on a 3 month project Required skills: Perl Devloper required for a 3 Month contract paid on a pro rata basis circa £33k. Candidates must have at least 2 years of Perl/Mod_perl experience on Linux with 1 years XML and must have previously used Template Toolkit. You will also have strong content management experience. Desired skills: Perl, mod_perl, XML,Template Toolkit, Linux, MySQL and Apache. Contact information: Send CV to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Nanoware...http://www.nanoware.org/ ... Useless invention no. 404: Reduced calorie water
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, 23 May 2002 11:07:14 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny disk, no networking, and comparitively ancient Debian installation. I haven't ^^ switched it on for a year. bah :-( Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl regression tests. The last time I ran them was for 5.005_03, according to google. Back then, it took about 28 hours for make and make test to run, and only two tests failed (one in io/pipe, which wasn't allowing enough time for extremely slow computers, and one in lib/complex, which I don't remember being completely solved). If I remember to bring some disks to work (mmm, lovely sneakernet), I'll have a go with the latest bleadperl, but it'll probably take the whole weekend, what with all the stuff Jarkko's stuffed in. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] C Code. C code run. Run, code, run... PLEASE!!! -- Barbara Tongue
Re: [jobs-admin@perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer -Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom,London]
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Forwarded for anyone currently searching for a job who doesn't mind dodgy hotmail accounts] Can anyone say perfect job? No. The rate's terrible. And I mean *really* terrible. -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Re: [jobs-admin@perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom, London]
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 08:54:51PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Forwarded for anyone currently searching for a job who doesn't mind dodgy hotmail accounts] Can anyone say perfect job? No. The rate's terrible. And I mean *really* terrible. That's what I was thinking. They're paying bad salary rates but for a contract-length period. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is the point? 22 Trombones. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: [jobs-admin@perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer -Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom,London]
Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 08:54:51PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Forwarded for anyone currently searching for a job who doesn't mind dodgy hotmail accounts] Can anyone say perfect job? No. The rate's terrible. And I mean *really* terrible. That's what I was thinking. They're paying bad salary rates but for a contract-length period. Hell yes. -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Re: [jobs-admin@perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom, London]
No. The rate's terrible. And I mean *really* terrible. That's what I was thinking. They're paying bad salary rates but for a contract-length period. Hell yes. £2033 after tax per month for three months. Some people would love to be earning that much lately (i.e. better than £0 per month). Then again, it's in London, so I'd steer well clear myself. Pete
