Re: [JOB]
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 18:53, Fiona Conner wrote: Hello I am looking for a full-time perl programmer to work on a major blue-chip client's e commerce site. Blue chip. Nottingham. This would be, hmmm, Boots? Raleigh cycles? -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Re: [JOB]
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 06:32, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raleigh cycles? Would that be classed as blue chip? ObPerl: Anyone using Apache 2.0 with mod_perl in production yet?
Re: [JOB]
* at 26/11 06:32 + Piers Cawley said: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 18:53, Fiona Conner wrote: Hello I am looking for a full-time perl programmer to work on a major blue-chip client's e commerce site. Blue chip. Nottingham. This would be, hmmm, Boots? Raleigh cycles? AIUI they've pretty much shut up shop and out sourced everything to the far east so I doubt it. s
Re: Candidates' attitudes
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 12:20:35AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul (can you tell I'd rather people were generally nice to each other?) Wuss! You're no fun! -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: Candidates' attitudes [or why are you all op'd]
On 26/11/2002 at 00:44 +, Dirk Koopman wrote: As a matter of interest, having just become a #london.pm virgin this evening, why is [nearly] everybody op'd? So we can set the topic, mainly. And as mutually asssured destruction if anyone goes nuts. Is the fact that a newbie isn't an op part of the problem? What is going on here? We need to find out who you are. If you'd said 'Hello, I'm Dirk, I've been active on list' you're more likely to be opped than if you appear and start asking about k-lines. (People online on the morning of Tuesday 4th June, when someone connected to rhizomatic and unleashed a flood of clonebots, may remember what's wrong with that one.) [0] Once the channel is convinced you are who you say you are, and that you're not going to go mad, you'll get ops on a per-session basis or, once you're fully trusted, via the opbot(s). This should probably be worked into http://london.pm.org/about/irc.html along with a warning that we're a bit... less tolerant, perhaps, as a rule, on the IRC channel. [0] As a side note, assuming we'll read your real name out of /whois probably isn't enough. You may as well do the introduction too. -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: Candidates' attitudes [or why are you all op'd]
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 09:46, Paul Mison wrote: On 26/11/2002 at 00:44 +, Dirk Koopman wrote: As a matter of interest, having just become a #london.pm virgin this evening, why is [nearly] everybody op'd? So we can set the topic, mainly. And as mutually asssured destruction if anyone goes nuts. Is the fact that a newbie isn't an op part of the problem? What is going on here? We need to find out who you are. If you'd said 'Hello, I'm Dirk, I've been active on list' you're more likely to be opped than if you appear and start asking about k-lines. (People online on the morning of Tuesday 4th June, when someone connected to rhizomatic and unleashed a flood of clonebots, may remember what's wrong with that one.) [0] K-lines? Moi? Once the channel is convinced you are who you say you are, and that you're not going to go mad, you'll get ops on a per-session basis or, once you're fully trusted, via the opbot(s). This should probably be worked into http://london.pm.org/about/irc.html along with a warning that we're a bit... less tolerant, perhaps, as a rule, on the IRC channel. Umm... yes, I think that would be an excellent idea. It might save some confusion (as well as unnecessary heat) on here if the ground rules were spelled out. [0] As a side note, assuming we'll read your real name out of /whois probably isn't enough. You may as well do the introduction too. Assuming I am actually bothered, which I am probably not. There are one or two people that I know (and who know me, viz: Mr Wetters and Ginger Dave) and that's about it. Op me if you like or not... it's cool, whatever... I am not sufficiently into IRC to really care one way or the other. I use it purely to communicate and keep up to date with the latest gossip. I was just interested, that's all... Dirk -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
Re: [JOB]
At 21:09 25/11/02, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 18:53, Fiona Conner wrote: Hello I am looking for a full-time perl programmer to work on a major blue-chip client's e commerce site. Blue chip. Nottingham. This would be, hmmm, Boots? Actually I interviewed with this lady and *probably* know who the blue-chip is - but they hopefully have more than one blue chip client so I could be wrong. The company (Broadband) is based in Nottingham and have a virtual office in Covent Garden. The client isn't necessarily based in Nottingham. I'd have no problem spending six months up in Nottingham since I have a few friends there, but I don't think I could seriously consider moving there for life with my SO working in London and having just bought a house here in the Smoke. The people I met seemed like a pleasant bunch of people. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/
Re: Candidates' attitudes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My final thought: can't someone just clone Dave (Cross) for the new leader? We did but Dave(2) isn't out of nappies yet. Wow! An in-kernel Dave - funky! -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: [JOB]
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: ObPerl: Anyone using Apache 2.0 with mod_perl in production yet? Anybody who upgraded to RedHat 8.0 without checking will be... -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Candidates' attitudes
At 23:56 25/11/02, Greg McCarroll wrote: The inaccuracies with people's perceived characters on the IRC channel is the root of a problem typical of a lot of ``online social groups''. The representations on IRC, mailing lists or on a MMORPG can be distorted shadows of the real person. In other words, if these people said the sorts of things they did on IRC in a pub[1] they would walk home with their teeth in a bag. I consider myself an old hand when it comes to instant messaging since I used (probably) the first IRC server in the UK something like 13 years ago. I left IRC because work conditions didn't really allow it, came back to IRC briefly to keep in touch with new college friends who seemed to live online. However I left again partly due to this thing that Greg is talking about. People's online personalities don't always match their real life personalities. It is the reason why I usually use my real name as an id (or at least alexmc which isn't too far away from my real name). I want people to associate my online behaviour with me. I don't want to have two personalities. I'm not saying that other people shouldn't like smoking, it is something I would prefer people not to do, but I am not going to try banning it. But we shouldn't start forgiving people for being rude just because they are online. I don't know the details of this case - I don't even have a working IRC client yet (I went to RedHat.com using lynx/links and couldn't even find a command line IRC client) - but any leader of any group should think twice about being rude or abrasive at any time. It reflects badly on the rest of the group. My example of this is that I have a particularly bad opinion of the London Linux User Group - NOT because I've met them, but the online contacts I've made didn't impress me with their politeness or consideration. Don't let London.pm go the same way. Alex McLintock Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/
Re: [JOB]
Dominic Mitchell wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: ObPerl: Anyone using Apache 2.0 with mod_perl in production yet? I'm about a week away from doing so. Errr.. why do you ask? -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Candidates' attitudes
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 12:10:43AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My final thought: can't someone just clone Dave (Cross) for the new leader? We did but Dave(2) isn't out of nappies yet. heh - people always forget that cloning involves birth and growing up... ;-) -- Natalie S. Ford . [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.natalie.ourshack.org .. http://natalief.livejournal.com
Re: [JOB]
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 10:43, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: ObPerl: Anyone using Apache 2.0 with mod_perl in production yet? Anybody who upgraded to RedHat 8.0 without checking will be... Well, it rather, kinda just works for most php/SSI/CGI kinda installs. Blows Apache::Template out though :-)
Re: Candidates' attitudes
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 10:50, Alex McLintock wrote: I don't know the details of this case - I don't even have a working IRC client yet (I went to RedHat.com using lynx/links and couldn't even find a command line IRC client) - but any leader of any group should think twice about being rude or abrasive at any time. It reflects badly on the rest of the group. xchat bitchx ircii
mod_perl2 (was) Re: [JOB]
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 10:59, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 10:43, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: ObPerl: Anyone using Apache 2.0 with mod_perl in production yet? Anybody who upgraded to RedHat 8.0 without checking will be... Well, it rather, kinda just works for most php/SSI/CGI kinda installs. Blows Apache::Template out though :-) Blows out almost all mod_perl 1.x code afaik although Apache::compat is supposed to help. Have you tried Apache::Template with the compatibility layer ? Simon.
Apache2
Well, it rather, kinda just works for most php/SSI/CGI kinda installs. Blows Apache::Template out though :-) That's a shame. It seemed to go OK* for my mod_perl / mason thingy so far, and that's using it as a dso. And I even managed to get PHP in there and working as a dso too. I'm rather unimpressed by the complete absence of seemless backward compatability, but I suppose change is good. *I still think building a working mod_perl is one of the hardest software install / configuration jobs going. apxs2 helps somewhat, but it's still insanely hard. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mod_perl2 (was) Re: [JOB]
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 11:03, Simon Wilcox wrote: Have you tried Apache::Template with the compatibility layer ? No, Andy's tears of laughter were enough to make me install a 1.x Apache.
Re: Apache2
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 11:11, Jonathan Peterson wrote: *I still think building a working mod_perl is one of the hardest software install / configuration jobs going. apxs2 helps somewhat, but it's still insanely hard. I think once you have a well beaten path through the forest, you tend to stick to it. I certainly do :-) Equally, because my needs are pretty basic, out of the box distro-ness has actually served quite well since RH 7.1 even _with_ the b0rken gcc.
Re: Apache2
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:11:14AM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'm rather unimpressed by the complete absence of seemless backward compatability, but I suppose change is good. Errr, I'm not. The 1.3 Apache API is badly geb0rken in a couple of places. Fixing that, and doing the correct thing instead is far more important than being backward (compatible)[1], IMO. *I still think building a working mod_perl is one of the hardest software install / configuration jobs going. apxs2 helps somewhat, but it's still insanely hard. On which platform? It varies significantly between Linux, Solaris, Digital and *BSD[2] and can be sensitively dependent on quite surprising things. It does require a bit of thought and should not be plowed into blindly, and is generally harder than it needs to be. Perhaps I should give a rant about all this stuff. Oh, wait Ben [1] I've quite often felt the second word of backward compatible was unnecessary. [2] Which are the only platforms I've built it on.
Re: Candidates' attitudes
At 26/11/2002 11:00 [], Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 10:50, Alex McLintock wrote: I don't know the details of this case - I don't even have a working IRC client yet (I went to RedHat.com using lynx/links and couldn't even find a command line IRC client) - but any leader of any group should think twice about being rude or abrasive at any time. It reflects badly on the rest of the group. xchat isn't a console client, but still probably the best of the GUI clients. bitchx ircii neither of these are worth using unless you have configs which you don't want to convert. Without wanting to start a holy war, irssi seems like a much better choice for a new user. /joel -- S. Joel Bernstein :: joel at fysh dot org :: t: 020 8458 2323 Nobody is going to claim that Perl 6's OO is bolted on. Well, except maybe for certain Slashdotters who don't know the difference between rational discussion and cheerleading... -- Larry Wall
Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. Cheers, Dave... -- ...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 02:46:59PM +, Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 26/11/02 2:21 pm, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. I'm assuming you're connecting via infrared. Yep. You should be able to set up a connection using the Standard GSM phone profile and then a network profile for which ever ISP you want to use. The combination of the two will allow you to make a dial-up connection and then the mail client should be able to see Demon's POP server. What mail client do you recommend? The one that comes with the Clie (standard PalmOS app I guess) seems to only sync with a desktop email client. The Orange web site recommends installing MultiMail, but that seems to be written to talk to Exchange servers. I'm a little rusty at this as I've now migrated to a 6310i and bluetooth. Haven't taken the plunge with GPRS, still using a standard dial-up. I'll have a trawl through the UKPUG archives and see if there's anything useful in there. Thanks. Any help appreciated (and repaid in pints). Dave... -- And crawling on the planet's face, some insects called the human race Lost in time, and lost in space. And meaning.
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:10:08PM +, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:21, Dave Cross wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. Which bits don't work? It's not that it doesn't work. I just wanted to get a heads-up on any problem that people might have had before starting to work it out for myself :) I got my m515 and 6310 working with the aid of google... I'm doing that as well - in parallel. Dave... -- ...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again
Re: advanced targetting using HTML/HTTP
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 09:55:15PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: This is driving me nuts - I'm beginning to wonder whether it's even possible. Given a target=view.../a (or form target=view or whatever) if the view window doesn't already exist, a browser will typically pop it up. And presumably internally name it view. http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/present/frames.html#adef-target I've given up on this in the longer term as I just discovered that XHTML strict doesn't have a target attribute (for better or worse) so this is now firmly in the domain of scripting. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If the footballers of the world got together, then all would be revealed. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On 26/11/02 3:15 pm, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 02:46:59PM +, Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 26/11/02 2:21 pm, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. I'm assuming you're connecting via infrared. Yep. You should be able to set up a connection using the Standard GSM phone profile and then a network profile for which ever ISP you want to use. The combination of the two will allow you to make a dial-up connection and then the mail client should be able to see Demon's POP server. What mail client do you recommend? The one that comes with the Clie (standard PalmOS app I guess) seems to only sync with a desktop email client. The Orange web site recommends installing MultiMail, but that seems to be written to talk to Exchange servers. MultiMail (now renamed VersaMail on Plam OS 5) should work with POP3 and IMAP servers too. I know the current version does, not sure about the version that came with the 4.1 OS upgrade (but I can check). Papi-mail as mentioned before has quite a good reputation. A quick search on Palmgear (http://www.palmgear.com) brought up Palm Mail Beta Stage 2 (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=92727620021103031255; prodID=28012) which may be worth a look, especially as it's free. If you don't mind paying for your email client then MultiMail really is the market leader. Neil. -- Neil Ford neil[at]smudgypixels[dot]net http://www.smudgypixels.net/neil/photos/
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:15:59PM +, Dave Cross wrote: The Orange web site recommends installing MultiMail, but that seems to be written to talk to Exchange servers. MultiMail has a mode it calls IMAP, but it's not actually IMAP compliant - specifically RFC1730 2.2.2 A client MUST be prepared to accept any server response at all times. If your IMAP server advertises its capabilities without being asked to, MultiMail will panic and drop the connection. Personally I use TGssh and mutt. Roger
Re: [JOB]
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 06:32, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raleigh cycles? Would that be classed as blue chip? I think you need to check the fuse in your sarcasm detector. -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:22, Dave Cross wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:10:08PM +, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:21, Dave Cross wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. Which bits don't work? It's not that it doesn't work. I just wanted to get a heads-up on any problem that people might have had before starting to work it out for myself :) I found conflicting advice out there. Things you'll need: 1. An init string for the modem. I have no idea if they actually have any effect. 2. Somewhere to dial. *99# rings a bell. 3. A login and other stuff. web/web seems to be par. Be aware, GPRS is heavily proxied. Ping won't work for a start. UDP probably won't. Maybe start with a 9600 dialup to prove the phone/modem combo and move on to GPRS? I got my m515 and 6310 working with the aid of google... I'm doing that as well - in parallel. Good man!
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:41:59PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:15:59PM +, Dave Cross wrote: The Orange web site recommends installing MultiMail, but that seems to be written to talk to Exchange servers. MultiMail has a mode it calls IMAP, but it's not actually IMAP compliant - specifically RFC1730 2.2.2 A client MUST be prepared to accept any server response at all times. If your IMAP server advertises its capabilities without being asked to, MultiMail will panic and drop the connection. Personally I use TGssh and mutt. For me, the problem is TGssh doesn't work with any hires palm (in hires) :| (if I ever get time I may try fixing that but I'm not holding my breath) -- Simon Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:22, Dave Cross wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:10:08PM +, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:21, Dave Cross wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. snip Be aware, GPRS is heavily proxied. Ping won't work for a start. UDP probably won't. Maybe start with a 9600 dialup to prove the phone/modem combo and move on to GPRS? I'm not sure how GPRS would work with Demon at all. Don't they still require you to be connected via dial-up to access the POP server. I know they used to. I just use the webmail for my demon mail for this reason, but it'd be nice to know if it had changed. Jasper -- Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:07:16PM +, Jasper McCrea wrote: I'm not sure how GPRS would work with Demon at all. Don't they still require you to be connected via dial-up to access the POP server. No. If you have set up a POP3 password separate from your dial-up password, you can access the POP3 server from any IP address. This has been the case since at the latest 1997, when I started to do it. Roger
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 16:07, Jasper McCrea wrote: I'm not sure how GPRS would work with Demon at all. Don't they still require you to be connected via dial-up to access the POP server. I know they used to. I just use the webmail for my demon mail for this reason, but it'd be nice to know if it had changed. I currently pop my demon mail via telewest so it should be ok. Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't! I much prefer the work of Paula Jennings. The worst poetry in the universe. The dead swans lay in the stagnent pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occassionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Simon.
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
I much prefer the work of Paula Jennings. The worst poetry in the universe. Considerably better than the worst prose in the universe, often considered to be this: http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/sf/eyeargon.htm Always worthy of a re-post from time to time... -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
Do any ISPs do this? :( As at least 4 or 5 subscribers to the london-pm list have full root access to the entire Netscalibur (UK) infrastructure, I'm sure something could be arranged at one ISP. :) -- Simon Dick[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
Simon Dick wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:32:20PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Annoyingly, however, they don't provide POP over SSL, which would actually make this a useful feature. And have a very low implementation cost for them. Grrr. Do any ISPs do this? :( They must do. It's an option in Lookout Express. :-) -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 16:53, Mark Blackman wrote: Do any ISPs do this? :( As at least 4 or 5 subscribers to the london-pm list have full root access to the entire Netscalibur (UK) infrastructure, I'm sure something could be arranged at one ISP. :) Knew there was something I forgot to do when I was on contract there, I didn't even get a dialup account ;) -- Simon
Re: advanced targetting using HTML/HTTP
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Paul Makepeace wrote:
PS Here's the actual scenario. User logs in and see a list of things.
This is what I'd like to be the list window, with a collection of
links to things to view, wrapped in a target=view This will
pop up a view window. Now, in the view window there is a form
target=list... which I'd like to have submit back to the original
list window - so you can see the workflow bounces between the two
(the user can deal with alt-tab'ing for now). The hard bit is,
without popping up a window, getting the browser to think the
original list window is named list. Right now, it doesn't and pops
a third window (whereupon the bouncing back and forth does now work,
but ignoring the original window).
no no bollocks etc etc. You have to use window.opener or something in
JavaScript.
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
Re: Apache2
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
*I still think building a working mod_perl is one of the hardest
software install / configuration jobs going. apxs2 helps somewhat, but
it's still insanely hard.
I find it moderately trivial. I use the makepl_args.mod_perl method, and I
pass my args script around. I also have a custom layout file which is
referenced from the makepl file. I can build and install Apache/mod_perl
using about 5 commands (tar, tar, perl Makefile.PL, make test, make
install).
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Neil Ford wrote:
I'm a little rusty at this as I've now migrated to a 6310i and bluetooth.
Haven't taken the plunge with GPRS, still using a standard dial-up. I'll
have a trawl through the UKPUG archives and see if there's anything useful
in there.
Look for magic like AT+CGATT=1, AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,internet,0.0.0.0
(for vodafone, YCMV), then dial *99#. Those strings in google might help
you.
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On 26 Nov 2002, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:22, Dave Cross wrote:
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:10:08PM +, Dave Hodgkinson
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:21, Dave Cross wrote:
Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS.
I found conflicting advice out there. Things you'll need:
1. An init string for the modem. I have no idea if they actually have
any effect.
They have. Although some of them just remedy things which might or might
not have been the default setup on your phone. e.g. my Motorola doesn't
need AT+CGATT=1, but I can really fuck things up by sending variants of
that.
2. Somewhere to dial. *99# rings a bell.
3. A login and other stuff. web/web seems to be par.
Be aware, GPRS is heavily proxied. Ping won't work for a start. UDP
probably won't.
And most things will have over 800ms latency and hence be useless. Forget
GPRS for a realistic communications protocol, at least on
Motorola/Vodafone, which is what I have. It drops connections all the time
too. It's a total pile of shite.
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Shevek wrote: 1. An init string for the modem. I have no idea if they actually have any effect. They have. Although some of them just remedy things which might or might not have been the default setup on your phone. e.g. my Motorola doesn't need AT+CGATT=1, but I can really fuck things up by sending variants of that. My psion doesn't like the normal gprs conversation, either. Set up the profile on the phone, set up the init and call bits on the psion. Dial it once, it looks like it might work, but doesn't. Then any attempts to use tcp (even with normal gsm) give some bogus error message, which can only be undone with a soft reset. If anyone knows how to get t68/psion/gprs working together, then there's a small reward up for grabs. the hatter
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, the hatter wrote:
If anyone knows how to get t68/psion/gprs working together, then there's a
small reward up for grabs.
Coo. This has turned into alt.my.mobile.doesnt.work.with.my.computer.
Anyone got any suggestions for good places to ask for advice on these
kinds of things? I've tried searching and there seems to be very little
actually written about bluetooth and GPRS and all that.
Mark.
(Debian unstable, t68, DLink 120M USB bluetooth adaptor, how am I meant to
get this damn thing to be recognised?)
--
s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t-Tputs(cl);for$w(split/ +/
){for(0..30){$|=print$t-Tgoto(cm,$_,$y). $w;select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, the hatter wrote:
If anyone knows how to get t68/psion/gprs working together, then there's a
small reward up for grabs.
From what you say, the t68 is probably fux0r3d. It wouldn't suprise me.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Mark Fowler wrote: Anyone got any suggestions for good places to ask for advice on these kinds of things? I've tried searching and there seems to be very little actually written about bluetooth and GPRS and all that. (Debian unstable, t68, DLink 120M USB bluetooth adaptor, how am I meant to get this damn thing to be recognised?) You can try the board on esato.com, and I think there are links from there to various other sites. Just it seems that nobody talks much about psions on there, it's all palms and ipaqs when it comes to PDAs. the hatter
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Shevek wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, the hatter wrote: If anyone knows how to get t68/psion/gprs working together, then there's a small reward up for grabs. From what you say, the t68 is probably fux0r3d. It wouldn't suprise me. The t68 doesn't seem to be the problem - it works fine on others things, and the psion does the same now as it did before it had the upgrade to newer software. GPRS works fine from the phone for wap, and other things can talk to the phones modem. And the psion carries on playing up until the reset, then it'll talk again, until i try and set up gprs access again. the hatter
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:00:10 + (GMT), the hatter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPRS works fine from the phone for wap, and other things can talk to the phones modem. And the psion carries on playing up until the reset, then it'll talk again, until i try and set up gprs access again. If anyone's on Orange, there's a configurator in the business section of the website (however, it doesn't seem to be divulging GPRS information atm. Humph.), worked when I was setting up an iPAQ thru a T68i. http://www.orange.co.uk/mobileemail/business/configurator/index.html ...and if you can't get it working, no matter what the problem, call the Wirefree team on 156. They really will try and help you get it all set up. If they don't, prod me and I'll go and shout at someone (via Lotus Notes). c. -- Die von Ihnen angeforderte Seite konnte leider nicht gefunden werden. Das blog, das Sie denken an, ist an http://www.anti-mega.com
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 18:26, Mark Fowler wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, the hatter wrote: If anyone knows how to get t68/psion/gprs working together, then there's a small reward up for grabs. Coo. This has turned into alt.my.mobile.doesnt.work.with.my.computer. Anyone got any suggestions for good places to ask for advice on these kinds of things? I got quite useful stuff on getting HSCSD working from uk.telecom.mobile YMMV etc.
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On 26 Nov 2002 21:52:16 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got quite useful stuff on getting HSCSD working from uk.telecom.mobile the Orange list is quite good... http://i.overslept.net/mailman/listinfo/orange c. -- Die von Ihnen angeforderte Seite konnte leider nicht gefunden werden. Das blog, das Sie denken an, ist an http://www.anti-mega.com
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:22 PM On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:10:08PM +, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:21, Dave Cross wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. Curious - which Clie do you have. I got the SL10 (BW, 99gbp ie very cheap) and it seems to do everything the Palm505 did, and more, for a third of the price. I find email on the palm very tedious though, wading through spam and mails with attachments. And if I want to write mail then writing it in the notepad, syncing to the PC, then cut'n'pasting it into my mail client there is OK. Am I missing something; is mail on a palm better now? /Robert
re-animating regexes
use Disclaimer qw(late_night_post);
Is it possible to Storable a qr// ?
$ cat storable_re.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use Storable qw(freeze thaw dclone);
my $r = qr/hello/i;
for my $mushy(0,1) {
$r = thaw freeze $r if $mushy;
print (\$r is $r)\n;
print Hi!\n if $ARGV[0] =~ /$r/;
}
$ perl storable_re.pl Hello
($r is (?i-xsm:hello))
Hi!
($r is Regexp=SCALAR(0x8100028))
$
WTF is a Regexp=SCALAR(0x) anyway, and how could I play with it?
Paul, who found nothing enlightening in Storable(3pm), perlref, or RT
--
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/
If the lightbulb had never been invented, then I wouldn't be drunk.
-- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: re-animating regexes
On 27 Nov 2002 02:44:01, Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is it possible to Storable a qr// ? No idea. :-) If you haven't seen it, though, the 'study;' function (perldoc -f study) probably achieves something similar, though.. - Chris. -- $a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
Re: re-animating regexes
Is it possible to Storable a qr// ?
$ cat storable_re.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use Storable qw(freeze thaw dclone);
my $r = qr/hello/i;
for my $mushy(0,1) {
$r = thaw freeze $r if $mushy;
print (\$r is $r)\n;
print Hi!\n if $ARGV[0] =~ /$r/;
}
$ perl storable_re.pl Hello
($r is (?i-xsm:hello))
Hi!
($r is Regexp=SCALAR(0x8100028))
$
WTF is a Regexp=SCALAR(0x) anyway, and how could I play with it?
Looks like the freeze thaw does not work with qr//
Regexp=SCALAR(0x8100028) is what you get when you attempt to stringify a
regex reference, just like you get Dog=HASH(0x3452433) if you attempt to
stringify a Dog object.
John Imrie
Re: Advice Needed: Sony Clie - Nokia 8310 - Demon POP
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:43:37PM -, Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:22 PM On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:10:08PM +, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:21, Dave Cross wrote: Has anyone else got any advice on how to get a Sony Clie (or, I guess any PalmOS device) to use a Nokia 8310 to pick up and send email via Demon's POP server. Extra points for using GPRS. Curious - which Clie do you have. PEG-SJ30 I got the SL10 (BW, 99gbp ie very cheap) and it seems to do everything the Palm505 did, and more, for a third of the price. I find email on the palm very tedious though, wading through spam and mails with attachments. And if I want to write mail then writing it in the notepad, syncing to the PC, then cut'n'pasting it into my mail client there is OK. Am I missing something; is mail on a palm better now? Don't know yet. I'll let you know :) Dave.. -- And crawling on the planet's face, some insects called the human race Lost in time, and lost in space. And meaning.
