Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Nicholas Clark]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:41:44PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
> In my experience you can't put the traffic and parking aside, because it's
> pretty difficult to drive in central London.  Be sure to pay the congestion
> charge if you manage to get near the venue before 6pm!

Also, pick a route that doesn't involve going round the M25 from the M3 to
the M4. If you play with the "typical traffic" on Google maps, you can see
that that stretch is a very unhappy red (in both directions) after about 4pm

That's probably not the only hot spot to avoid - the M4 from Slough to the
M25 doesn't look very happy, and some of the A roads are marked orange.

IIRC the average speed of traffic in central London remains stubbornly
around 11mph, pretty much unchanged for over 100 years.

I think that you will be lucky to get from the M25 to the venue in less than
75 minutes, and if you actually want to be sure to make it for the start,
you'll need to allow quite a bit more for that stretch.

Finding somewhere a bit further out to park and making the final part of
the journey by train or tube will massively increase your journey time
reliability.

Nicholas Clark

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Sue Spence]

In my experience you can't put the traffic and parking aside, because it's
pretty difficult to drive in central London.  Be sure to pay the congestion
charge if you manage to get near the venue before 6pm!


On 23 July 2014 09:09, Vytautas D  wrote:

> All the traffic&parking aside, there are quite a few of us coming from
> southampton.pm, hence it's much cheaper option..
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Sue Spence 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Vytas,
> >
> > There is a car park at Bloomsbury Square for £££, but I would not
> recommend
> > driving to this event.
> >
> > -sue
> >
> >
> > On 22 July 2014 22:19, Vytautas D  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Does anyone know if there are any car parks closeby?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Vytas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Sue Spence 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so
> > that
> > > I
> > > > can get them ready on a usb stick.  I'll set up one laptop with the
> > > > projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around
> > > trying
> > > > to switch from one computer to another.
> > > >
> > > > After the meeting I suggest that we  head over to The Enterprise for
> > > > post-meet socialising:
> > > >
> > > > The Enterprise
> > > > 38 Red Lion Street
> > > > WC1R 4PN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday
> > > >> evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R
> > > 4RL.
> > > >> The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly
> > > lines).
> > > >> The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/
> > > >>
> > > >> Hope to see you there.
> > > >>
> > > >> -sue
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[James Laver]

On 23 Jul 2014, at 10:09, Vytautas D  wrote:

> All the traffic&parking aside, there are quite a few of us coming from
> southampton.pm, hence it's much cheaper option..
> 

I would really consider driving to “much closer” and finishing the journey off 
with public transport. It will save congestion charge and dependent on where, 
probably parking as well.

James

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Andrew Beverley]

On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:09 +0100, Vytautas D wrote:
> All the traffic&parking aside, there are quite a few of us coming from
> southampton.pm, hence it's much cheaper option..

. A real shame if this is the case. It makes me so sad to see
people driving into central London. Hamburg anyone?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Vytautas D]

All the traffic&parking aside, there are quite a few of us coming from
southampton.pm, hence it's much cheaper option..


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Sue Spence  wrote:

> Hi Vytas,
>
> There is a car park at Bloomsbury Square for £££, but I would not recommend
> driving to this event.
>
> -sue
>
>
> On 22 July 2014 22:19, Vytautas D  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Does anyone know if there are any car parks closeby?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Vytas
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Sue Spence 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so
> that
> > I
> > > can get them ready on a usb stick.  I'll set up one laptop with the
> > > projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around
> > trying
> > > to switch from one computer to another.
> > >
> > > After the meeting I suggest that we  head over to The Enterprise for
> > > post-meet socialising:
> > >
> > > The Enterprise
> > > 38 Red Lion Street
> > > WC1R 4PN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday
> > >> evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R
> > 4RL.
> > >> The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly
> > lines).
> > >> The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/
> > >>
> > >> Hope to see you there.
> > >>
> > >> -sue
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Sue Spence]

Hi Vytas,

There is a car park at Bloomsbury Square for £££, but I would not recommend
driving to this event.

-sue


On 22 July 2014 22:19, Vytautas D  wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anyone know if there are any car parks closeby?
>
> Thanks,
> Vytas
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Sue Spence 
> wrote:
>
> > Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so that
> I
> > can get them ready on a usb stick.  I'll set up one laptop with the
> > projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around
> trying
> > to switch from one computer to another.
> >
> > After the meeting I suggest that we  head over to The Enterprise for
> > post-meet socialising:
> >
> > The Enterprise
> > 38 Red Lion Street
> > WC1R 4PN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday
> >> evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R
> 4RL.
> >> The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly
> lines).
> >> The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00.
> >>
> >> http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/
> >>
> >> Hope to see you there.
> >>
> >> -sue
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Vytautas D]

Hi,
Does anyone know if there are any car parks closeby?

Thanks,
Vytas


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Sue Spence  wrote:

> Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so that I
> can get them ready on a usb stick.  I'll set up one laptop with the
> projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around trying
> to switch from one computer to another.
>
> After the meeting I suggest that we  head over to The Enterprise for
> post-meet socialising:
>
> The Enterprise
> 38 Red Lion Street
> WC1R 4PN
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday
>> evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL.
>> The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines).
>> The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00.
>>
>> http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/
>>
>> Hope to see you there.
>>
>> -sue
>>
>
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Sue Spence]

Can all speakers please send me their slides (or a link to them) so that I
can get them ready on a usb stick.  I'll set up one laptop with the
projector before the meeting starts to avoid having to fiddle around trying
to switch from one computer to another.

After the meeting I suggest that we  head over to The Enterprise for
post-meet socialising:

The Enterprise
38 Red Lion Street
WC1R 4PN






On 20 July 2014 15:23, Sue Spence  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday
> evening in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL.
> The closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines).
> The doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00.
>
> http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> -sue
>

[ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Tech Meet this Thursday 7pm at Conway Hall

[Sue Spence]

Hi all,

Just a reminder that we're having a technical meeting this Thursday evening
in the Brockway room at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square WC1R 4RL.   The
closest underground station is Holborn (Central and Piccadilly lines).  The
doors will be open from 18:30 with talks starting at 19:00.

http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/191624922/

Hope to see you there.

-sue

July Tech Meet Update

[Sue Spence]

Hi all,

I have 4 talk proposals now, thank you to everyone who has kindly agreed to
give us a presentation. Here is the list we have so far:

- Thomas Klausner (domm) from Vienna.pm is going to talk about OX &
AngularJS
- Alex Balhatchet is going to talk about his rewrite of Ovid's Test::Kit
module
- Mike Francis will tell us about creating a RESTful database frontend with
Web::Simple & Web::Machine and how annoying that was
- Dave Cross will natter about Github, Travis-CI and Perl

I would like to encourage everyone else to think about giving a short talk.
It would be nice to have a few 'lightning talk' style interludes in the
programme so we can give our branes a rest in between the longer talks.
These definitely don't need slides, just feel free to regale us with a tiny
tale of your Perl derring-do.

I'd also like to have a few backup talks just in case one of the other
speakers can't make it.

Thanks,
-sue

Tech meet book fair

[Dave Hodgkinson]

I've a bunch of pop-psych and skeptic type books idling on my shelf.

Anyone interested in browsing and making an offer on Thursday night?

Or should I produce a list first?


--
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Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com  UK: +44 7768 490620
Blog: http://davehodg.blogspot.com
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Re: Speakers for next tech meet

[Léon Brocard]

2009/3/24 Léon Brocard :

> The next London.pm technical meeting will be on the 16th of April and
> I'm looking for speakers. Care to give a 20 minute talk along the
> theme "Less Code"? Email me offlist please.

I'm looking for a few more speakers. Anyone willing to give a short
talk about refactoring code (resulting in less code), using a CPAN
module (resulting in less code) or convincing your company to make
something a business process (resulting in less code)?

Offlist please, cheers. Leon

Speakers for next tech meet

[Léon Brocard]

Hello Perl People!

The next London.pm technical meeting will be on the 16th of April and
I'm looking for speakers. Care to give a 20 minute talk along the
theme "Less Code"? Email me offlist please.

Cheers, Léon

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Tonight reminder: was Re: Social Meet 2nd Oct @ The Star + Tonight Tech Meet

[Elaine -HFB- Ashton]

Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*>
*>Leon Brocard will be talking about the plans for the CPAN cabal meeting in
*>a couple of weeks entitled "How can we make CPAN even better?"

Posing that question to London.pm will likely bring on a slew of Acme
modules to bring up your CPAN portion to 20% or more. :)

And, considering how public this meeting has become, neither cabal nor
junta could really be applicable. Since Jarkko and I never seem to be
able to travel without some perl event, it seemed like a good excuse at
the time travel to London in time for the LotR costume exhibit and 
bookshopping. Well...and drinking beer and scotch :)

e.

[ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Tonight reminder: was Re: Social Meet 2nd Oct @ The Star + Tonight Tech Meet

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Mark Fowler wrote:

> [ First up, remember there's a tech meet tonight at "The Angel" at Old
>   Street. See http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-May/55.html for info ]

CORRECTION:

I am officially a moron, and can't use copy and paste to save my life.
The details of tonight's tech meet can actually be found here.

  http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-September/70.html

Sorry about the confusion.  To make this post worthwhile, here's a list of
people who are talking and what on:

Dave Cross will be giving a twenty minute talk on Writing a Book Using The
Template Toolkit, where he talks about writing the upcoming "Perl Template
Toolkit" book that he co-authored.

Martin Ling was kind enough to provide a quick summary of his 20min talk:

Alzabo (http://www.alzabo.org) is a Perl data modelling tool that groks
relational database systems. You can use it to manipulate database
schemas in the abstract, reverse engineer them from existing DBs, and
generate SQL diffs to a live database to rearrange its structure. It
also provides an object-oriented runtime API which provides similar
features to Class::DBI and other modules. Martin Ling will give an
overview of its capabilities, compare it to other related modules and
preview some new features in development.

Nicholas Clark will be giving a lightning talk on the upcoming release of
Perl 5.8.1 and what's changed in the new shiny shiny version of Perl.

I'll be waffling about my new Attempt module that I will release to CPAN
just as soon as I complete this email, honest guv.

Leon Brocard will be talking about the plans for the CPAN cabal meeting in
a couple of weeks entitled "How can we make CPAN even better?"

Tom Huskins will presenting a lighting talk about his experiences of
teaching Perl to absolute beginners.

James Duncan will be explaining to us why he's never ever going to write
another container class again.

Finally Earle Martin will be detailing Stupid RSS Tricks On IRC.

So you can see, it's going to be a lot of fun, with a wide range of
topics.

Hope to see you there.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

[ANNOUNCE] Social Meet 2nd Oct @ The Star + Tonight Tech Meet

[Mark Fowler]

[ First up, remember there's a tech meet tonight at "The Angel" at Old
  Street. See http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-May/55.html for info ]

Announcing the October social meeting of the London Perl Mongers, which
will be held after seven on Thursday the 2nd of October in the upstairs
room of the Star Tavern in Belgravia (That's two weeks today if you're
reading this on the day I sent it.)  It's the pub we had our July Social
Meeting in, and quite a few people expressed an urge to go back.  The Star
is in walking distance of Victoria, Sloane Square, Hyde Park Corner and
Knightsbridge.  Full directions to the pub are included in this email
below.

  http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=528107&Y=179347&A=Y&Z=1
  http://openguides.org/london/index.cgi?Star_Tavern,_SW1X_8HT

Social meetings are a chance to meet up for a quiet drink.  They allow
members of the group to chat about Perl and other issues over a pint, and
put names (or nicks) to faces and they present an informal way for people
to pass on or acquire Perl knowledge.  Non-Perl programmers any way
affiliated with London.pm or it's members are always made welcome, and
they'll be plenty of non-Perl talk that they shouldn't feel excluded.

The meetings start at approximately 7pm, though people often arrive
earlier than this as they come directly from work.  Quite a few people
will opt to eat in the pub rather than eating beforehand;  This month's
venue The Star is fabled for it's excellent steaks.  There's no formal
plan for the evening (apart from drinking and chatting) and people should
feel to turn up and leave when they want, though the majority of people
will remain in the pub till closing time so late-comers shouldn't be
worried about us leaving before they get there.

Directions:

 The Star Tavern is located in a little cobbled street behind the German
 Embassy. Below are directions to get there from various places.

 -- From Sloane Square --

 Essentially you want to take the north exit off the square and head up
 Sloane Street and then take a right down Pont street till you get to the
 embassy, and then down the cobbled mews till you find the pub.

 So, in detail: Come out of the station. Standing as you are with your
 back to the station you want to go up the road diagonally opposite on
 the right (so turn right, cross the crossing, and on the other side turn
 left and walk for a bit till you come to Sloane Street - a big wide
 street - on your right.)  You want to keep going up Sloane street till
 you come to Pont Street, the junction of which has traffic lights on it.
 Turn right (east) down this street and keep going. The road will start to
 veer off to the left, and at this point you should see a large white
 building with black windows that is the German embassy on the left hand
 side (north) side of the road.  In a big, tall, archway under the
 embassy there should be a cobbled street.  Head up this street and The
 Star is on the end on the left.

 -- From Victoria --

 Essentially you want to cross the road out of the station and then head
 up Lower then Upper Belgrave Street so you get to Belgrave Square.  From
 here you want to take the second left exit to Pont Steet and turn
 right though the German embassy up the cobbled mews to the pub.

 In detail: From the tube lines, follow signs for main station and get to
 the surface.  Turn left and walk past starbucks and pret a manger - you
 want to get to Buckingham Palace Road which is the road the busses enter
 the bus station off of.  Cross the road at the traffic lights and use the
 other set of traffic lights to the left to get off the mini-island you're
 on. You should now be in front of the deserted Usit campus office.  go
 left (west) along Buckingham Palace Road then take the first right
 (north) up into Lower Belgrave Street.  Continue up this street, passing
 drinking establishments such as "The Victoria" on your left, and the "The
 Plumber Arms".  This road turns into "Upper Belgrave Street" - just keep
 on going until you come to Belgrave square.  Here, turn left and take the
 second exit off the square (the one that goes directly west) down Pont
 Street.  Almost immediately on your right you should see the German
 embassy (a big white building with black windows) and a large phallic
 like statue. There should be an archway here under the embassy leading up
 a cobbled street.  Go up this street and The Star will be on the end on
 the left.

 -- From Knightsbridge --

 Essentially you want to get out of the tube and then head south down
 Sloane Street until you come to Cadeogan Place.  Turning down here
 you simply want to walk east for a short while until you come to the
 north end of a cobbled mews that the pub is located on.

 In detail: To get out of the tube, take the exit signposted for Harvey
 Nichols / Knightsbridge (south side) / Sloane Street

Re: Tech-meet crash space? (+more)

[Jody Belka]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Gerard wrote:
> You are welcome to crash at my place, if you are ever in Melbourne, Australia!

Well, i was in Brisbane about 3 months ago, and Sydney a couple of years
ago, but never been as far down south as Melbourne ;)

> Happy Birthday!

Thanks,

Jody

Re: Tech-meet crash space? (+more)

[Gerard]

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:19:18AM +0100, Jody Belka wrote:
> Firstly, as the subject asks, does anyone have any crash space available
> after the tech meet on thursday?

You are welcome to crash at my place, if you are ever in Melbourne, Australia!

> 
> Secondly, it's my birthday on the 22nd (that's next monday). It's also
> ivor's as well. I think a celebration in london is in order sometime
> during the weekend. Ideas, suggestions, etc welcome.

Happy Birthday!

Gerard.

Tech-meet crash space? (+more)

[Jody Belka]

Firstly, as the subject asks, does anyone have any crash space available
after the tech meet on thursday?

Secondly, it's my birthday on the 22nd (that's next monday). It's also
ivor's as well. I think a celebration in london is in order sometime
during the weekend. Ideas, suggestions, etc welcome.


Jody

ps. Could also do with crash space after thursday as well, up till the end
of the weekend. Different place each night is perfectly acceptable if
needs be. So, anyone got any space?

Re: Tech Meet Talkers.

[dave]

Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said

> Could people interested in speaking email me please?  Even those that I
> spoke to in the pub and said they could speak, or those that emailed me
> after the last tech meet saying they wanted to speak.  This way I'll know
> you're still up for it, and we won't have problems.

Me Me Me!!

Either on a) Audiofile::Info (and the new plugin architecture that we'll be
designing for it) or b) writing a book using the template toolkit (assuming
that abw doesn't want to do that one).

Dave...

Tech Meet Talkers.

[Mark Fowler]

Hello.

I plan to announce the tech meet that's happening a week on Thursday (so,
er 13 days from now) this afternoon.  But before then I'm looking for
speakers.

Could people interested in speaking email me please?  Even those that I
spoke to in the pub and said they could speak, or those that emailed me
after the last tech meet saying they wanted to speak.  This way I'll know
you're still up for it, and we won't have problems.

I'd quite like a few more lightning talks.  Lighting talks are easy, and
quick, and you can speak on anything you want (a three minute guide to
someone else's module is considered excellent, as is 'this is a silly
script I wrote, look I can now do this'.)

Hoping to hear from you.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Tech Meet Tonight (7pm, upstairs at The Angel pub in Oldstreet)

[Mark Fowler]

This is a reminder about the tech meet tonight.  7pm for a 7.15pm
sharp start in the upstairs room of The Angel Pub in Oldstreet.  Full
details of where it is and how to get there are in this mail:

   http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-July/62.html

Since this would otherwise be a content free email, here's a list of the
talks we're going to have tonight, which got finalised a good thirty
seconds ago:

  Steve Purkis will be talking about 'Pangloss', a multilingual
  terminology management system built on OpenFrame/Pixie.

  Paul Mison will be presenting on Managing Digital Music Metadata
  with Perl.

  Arthur Bergman, James Duncan and Leon Brocard will be discussing the
  infamous Ponie project that all the cool kids are abuzz about these
  days, and fielding questions.

  Richard Clamp will be talking about his funky Bluetooth remote control
  for his computer he made out of his mobile phone and some Perl code.

  Tim Sweetman will be giving a lightning talk on some new concepts he's
  proposing for improving Wikis.

  Dominic Mitchell will be giving a lightning talk on general usage of
  namespaces in XML, and surprises therein

  Finally, Nigel Hamilton will be presenting the second part of his series
  of jovial looks at IP law from a programmer's point of view.

I'm looking forward to every one of these talks, and with such a broad
range of topics, I suspect that they'll be something for everyone at this
meeting.

I hope to see you there.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

[ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs (17th July) in Old Street

[Mark Fowler]

Announcing the July London Perl Mongers Tech Meet on Thursday (Thursday
17th July 2003) at The Angel pub at Old Street, 7pm for 7.15pm start
sharp:

Well, this is a little late, but I've finally got details about the
exiting tech meeting next week.  I'm not sure what's the most exciting
news I can list, so in no particular order:

 * This month's tech meet will be in a pub (in our own private room
   with projector screen) so we'll be able to drink and learn at the
   *same* *time*.

 * There's going to be some free food (a little, not too much.)

 * We're going to get a talk on the PONIE project that was announced
   by Larry Wall at OSCON this week, by the people who will be 
   spearheading the development.  PONIE, a bridge between perl 5
   and perl 6, sounds terribly interesting and you can find out more
   about it at http://opensource.fotango.com/ponie/

 * Various people are giving practice versions of their talks they'll
   be giving the week after at YAPC::Europe, so if you're not going
   then you can still manage to see a few, and if you are going then
   you can see a couple here and free yourself up to see other tracks
   at the conference.

So it's all very promising, and I'm only sorry I've not been able to
announce it more formally up until this point.

Details:

Fotango, bless their event sponsoring souls, have hired the upstairs
room at The Angel pub near _Old_ _Street_ (no, this isn't very near at
all to Angel station, or even in Islington so don't go there by
mistake) This is the same pub that they hired out for a previous tech
meet last summer.

  http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532783&Y=182390&Z=1
  http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/angel_pub.html

The directions are straight forward as finding the place is simplicity
itself: Get to Old Street roundabout either by taking the tube or
train to Old Street station (you'll surface on the roundabout) or via
any number of the busses.  The south exit off of this roundabout is
City Road.  Walk down the left hand side of the road towards the
centre of London. The very first road on your left is Leonard Street,
and the pub is on the corner.

The meeting as always will start at 7pm, for a 7.15pm sharp start.  We
should be done talking by nine thirty.  Normally after the meeting we
retire to a local pub to discuss the talks;  This meeting we shall
probably stay in the pub we're already in.

I hope to see you all there.  Until then.

Mark.

Social Meeting Tonight + Help Required with Tech Meet

[Mark Fowler]

Hello.

There's a social meeting tonight, and I thought I'd better drop an email
to the list so that people are reminded.  Calthorpe Arms, 7pm.  All the
details are in the announce post from a week and a bit ago:

http://london.pm.org/lpma/20030623/019722.html

Right, onto the tech meet.  There's a tech meeting schedule for Thurs 17th
July (that's the week before YAPC::Europe, the week after TPC/OSCON, two
weeks today if you're reading this on the day I sent it.)  However, since
I've been away for a bit, and my email has totally stopped working, I've
not be able to organise a few details yet...

Firstly, we still need a venue.  I'm sure that one of the usual suspects
will be more than happy to offer, but rather emailing everyone I can think
of, I thought I'd ask everyone...hey, you never know, a new venue would be
nice.

Secondly, it's been six weeks since the last technical meeting and in that
time things have got really confusing.  I've agreed to many people that
they can do a tech talk, but since I'm useless I'm not sure if I've got
all the details or not.  In short, it's been so long since I agreed for
many people (in some cases many months,) so would you all please confirm
that you'll are still up for talking:  Please would everyone who's giving
a tech talk email me at - this is important - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not
twoshortplanks.com, for reasons that are way too complicated to go into
and would involving being annoyed with people I'd rather not be annoyed
with.)

Right, see you all tonight.

Mark.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Earle Martin]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 02:36:03PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> I don't know about you, but I really like just being able to turn up
> at conferences and meetings. It's a barrier to entry. I didn't go to a
> BSD meet a while ago because I hadn't signed up to it and it was too
> late to sign up. That sucks.

Okay. I just tend to sign up for things in advance if that's a requirement.
I guess it depends on when the deadline for signing up is.


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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Mark Fowler]

Nick wrote:

> Not having a venue sucks more.

Just incase I haven't said it on list yet, next month (on the 22nd May,
accorind to iCal) we'll be going to State51 for a tech meet.  This
decision was taken sometime last month and was based on the same reason we
move around from pub to pub - inevitably someone will not be able to
attend particular venues and it sucks to keep excluding them by repeatedly
using the same venue.

Mark.

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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Clayton, Nik [IT]]

> > Why has nobody pointed out that it's just a BOX TO ENTER YOUR NAME?
> 
> I don't know about you, but I really like just being able to turn up
> at conferences and meetings. It's a barrier to entry. I didn't go to a
> BSD meet a while ago because I hadn't signed up to it and it was too
> late to sign up. That sucks.

Not having a venue sucks more.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Leon Brocard]

Earle Martin sent the following bits through the ether:

> Why has nobody pointed out that it's just a BOX TO ENTER YOUR NAME?

I don't know about you, but I really like just being able to turn up
at conferences and meetings. It's a barrier to entry. I didn't go to a
BSD meet a while ago because I hadn't signed up to it and it was too
late to sign up. That sucks.

Leon

ps I love Yahoo!
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[alex]

> And what about special badges for speakers?
>
> Do we get special badges?  Oh please say that we do... :-)



a

>
> A
>
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Andy Wardley]

Nicholas Clark sent the following bits through the ether:
> YAPC::Europe::UK::London::Victoria::Yahoo::Basement::2003::04::14::Evening

Leon Brocard sent the following bits back:
> At the DPW I got a special customised orange badge. Will this be the
> case at the tech meet?

And what about special badges for speakers?  

Do we get special badges?  Oh please say that we do... :-)

A

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Earle Martin]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 12:56:44PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> You're not stating the important point. 
> ...anyone who decided to come to the tech meeting on spec could do so.
> 
> Now we have to be organised. Fortunately not very organised - lunchtime
> same day is no hardship. But it does require some organisational discipline.

But not much. And hardly enough to moan about. Which is my point.



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Jon Reades]

Robin Szemeti wrote:

1) someone signs up ... as A. N. Other .. there's no way of knowing if they 
really are A. N. Other or not.  Even if they are who they say they are, 
there's no way of knowing if they are going to steal all the underpants.


Building security at my last office in New York apparently didn't find 
it odd that a bike messenger was walking off with our fax machine 
(*that* led to a friendly memo from the office manager I can tell you)...

But when *I* (who saw building security each and every day of the week 
for well over five years) was taking home a three year-old computer 
legally bought from my company (and usefully repurposed as a home 
multimedia Linux system) I needed something like two countersigned 
letters from our COO and some bloody ID.

jon 

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Nicholas Clark]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 12:47:55PM +0100, Earle Martin wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:47:38AM +0100, Lusercop wrote:
> > [various people talking, nusked]
> >
> > I don't think the above concern is likely to be valid, and fwiw, I don't
> > think this is too much of a pain, given that they've been extremely good
> > to us, even if the security guards last time didn't know. It's also a venue
> > that isn't too hard to get to. I'm all for staying with Yahoo! even in light
> > of this policy.
> 
> Why has nobody pointed out that it's just a BOX TO ENTER YOUR NAME? It took me
> more time just now to cough! Christ, if people are going to bitch and moan about
> something, let it be something that involves more than 0.8 seconds' typing
> something that you don't even have to bloody remember. If it's not that, then
> what possible reason can there be for it to be 'a pain'? The almighty effort
> of following the URL to the form?

You're not stating the important point.
We previously had a box to enter our name. It was the sign in sheet on
the security guard's desk at the Yahoo! building. You didn't have to do
it in advance, which means that anyone who decided to come to the tech
meeting on spec could do so.

Now we have to be organised. Fortunately not very organised - lunchtime
same day is no hardship. But it does require some organisational discipline.

However, I think it's worthwhile considering that Yahoo! is an excellent
venue. (And even gave us beer).

Nicholas Clark

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Earle Martin]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:47:38AM +0100, Lusercop wrote:
> [various people talking, nusked]
>
> I don't think the above concern is likely to be valid, and fwiw, I don't
> think this is too much of a pain, given that they've been extremely good
> to us, even if the security guards last time didn't know. It's also a venue
> that isn't too hard to get to. I'm all for staying with Yahoo! even in light
> of this policy.

Why has nobody pointed out that it's just a BOX TO ENTER YOUR NAME? It took me
more time just now to cough! Christ, if people are going to bitch and moan about
something, let it be something that involves more than 0.8 seconds' typing
something that you don't even have to bloody remember. If it's not that, then
what possible reason can there be for it to be 'a pain'? The almighty effort
of following the URL to the form?



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Robin Szemeti]

On Friday 04 April 2003 11:30, Jasper McCrea wrote:
> Simon Wilcox wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote:
> > > Simon Wistow wrote:
> > > > It is *really* important that you sign up though. You will not "under
> > > > any circumstances" be let in if you've not signed up according to the
> > > > office manager.

I always find this sort of thing rather amusing ... 

I've worked at more than one place that has had similar policies ... none of 
them are worth the electrons they are written with.

1) someone signs up ... as A. N. Other .. there's no way of knowing if they 
really are A. N. Other or not.  Even if they are who they say they are, 
there's no way of knowing if they are going to steal all the underpants.

2) Assuming you tighten it further to checking with whoever is organising it 
that they recognise the names on the list, that fails still because for a 
meeting like this, its quite possible a newcomers name would not be 
recognised, and would be let in anyway.

3) even if you do recognise the name, how do you know its not someone with a 
longstanding grudge whose signed up just to get into the building and steal 
your underpants?

all it saves you from is random people walking in off the street, and there 
are simpler ways to do that ... still, the places I;ve seen it done before, 
it kept the office manager busy filling out little badges, and while they 
where doing that, they weren't fiddling with somehting else, so I guess some 
good came out of it.

Perhaps someone should register as A. Pants-Stealer and see if a badge is 
made up for them ;) (and no, I won't )

Still, good of Yahoo! to provide the facility, don't look a gift horse in the 
mouth I say.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Lusercop]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:40:01AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ I think Jasper wrote: ]
> > Don't get me wrong, I think Yahoo! are entitled to put in place whatever
> > policies they want.
> you think signing in is bad?  you try typing from behind a gas mask.

:-)

> > However, I don't think it's in anyone's interest to be wholly positive
> > about a policy that may at some stage prohibit someone from going to a
> > meeting that they might like to or everyone else might like them to.
[...]
> definitely not - it's a pain in the ass, but as mentioned many times,
> unfortunately due to the late notice i figure there wasn't time to
> rearrange, i'm sure mark will be looking elsewhere for next time.

I don't think the above concern is likely to be valid, and fwiw, I don't
think this is too much of a pain, given that they've been extremely good
to us, even if the security guards last time didn't know. It's also a venue
that isn't too hard to get to. I'm all for staying with Yahoo! even in light
of this policy.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Simon Wilcox]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote:

> Simon Wilcox wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote:
> > 
> > > Not that I've been to many tech meets, but this doesn't seem like a very good
> > > policy for a meeting place. Although the facility is good.
> > 
> > It's not a meeting place, it's their office. They're perfectly entitled to
> > put into place whatever security they feel like.
> 
> Place where London.pm meets to discuss technical matters not a meeting place.
> Film at 11.

But not necessarily clear from your previous email. I knew what you meant, 
as did most people on this list but taken out of context it easily reads 
as a critism of our hosts in general.
  
> > As you mention, the venue is excellent and I would encourage everyone to
> > be wholly positive about this lest they decide it's not worth the
> > aggravation.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I think Yahoo! are entitled to put in place whatever
> policies they want. However, I don't think it's in anyone's interest to be
> wholly positive about a policy that may at some stage prohibit someone from
> going to a meeting that they might like to or everyone else might like them to.

It's in everyones interest to make sure that we continue to enjoy the
hospitality of Yahoo! as it's by far the most hospitable venue we have
ever been lucky enough to be offered.

Two weeks notice is plenty of time to sign up and since you can sign up 
until lunchtime on the day I don't see this really being a restriction.

> Someone fretting on a mailing list is hardly going to push the Yahoo! office
> manager over the edge in a mad rampage and ban London.pm, is it?

Mad rampage, unlikely. Overloaded with work and an opportunity to remove a 
part of it because these people seem ungrateful, possibly.

> Perhaps you think I shouldn't mention it just because I'm not in a position to
> offer anything better?

Precisely, put up or shut up :)

Simon.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[alex]

> > As you mention, the venue is excellent and I would encourage everyone to
> > be wholly positive about this lest they decide it's not worth the
> > aggravation.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think Yahoo! are entitled to put in place whatever
> policies they want.

you think signing in is bad?  you try typing from behind a gas mask.

> However, I don't think it's in anyone's interest to be wholly positive
> about a policy that may at some stage prohibit someone from going to a
> meeting that they might like to or everyone else might like them to.
> Someone fretting on a mailing list is hardly going to push the Yahoo!
> office manager over the edge in a mad rampage and ban London.pm, is it?

definitely not - it's a pain in the ass, but as mentioned many times,
unfortunately due to the late notice i figure there wasn't time to
rearrange, i'm sure mark will be looking elsewhere for next time.
a
>
> Perhaps you think I shouldn't mention it just because I'm not in a
> position to offer anything better?
>
> Jasper
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Jasper McCrea]

Simon Wilcox wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote:
> 
> > Simon Wistow wrote:
> > > It is *really* important that you sign up though. You will not "under
> > > any circumstances" be let in if you've not signed up according to the
> > > office manager.
> >
> > Not that I've been to many tech meets, but this doesn't seem like a very good
> > policy for a meeting place. Although the facility is good.
> 
> It's not a meeting place, it's their office. They're perfectly entitled to
> put into place whatever security they feel like.

Place where London.pm meets to discuss technical matters not a meeting place.
Film at 11.
 
> As you mention, the venue is excellent and I would encourage everyone to
> be wholly positive about this lest they decide it's not worth the
> aggravation.

Don't get me wrong, I think Yahoo! are entitled to put in place whatever
policies they want. However, I don't think it's in anyone's interest to be
wholly positive about a policy that may at some stage prohibit someone from
going to a meeting that they might like to or everyone else might like them to.
Someone fretting on a mailing list is hardly going to push the Yahoo! office
manager over the edge in a mad rampage and ban London.pm, is it?

Perhaps you think I shouldn't mention it just because I'm not in a position to
offer anything better?

Jasper

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:

> Nicholas Clark sent the following bits through the ether:
>
> > YAPC::Europe::UK::London::Victoria::Yahoo::Basement::2003::04::14::Evening
>
> At the DPW I got a special customised orange badge. Will this be the
> case at the tech meet?

No, but anyone who wants a conference T-Shirt should let me know off list.
These are availble in red, black, green, blue and brown and have names of
fictional Perl Mongers groups on them and have
"YAPC::Europe::UK::London::Victoria::Yahoo::Basement::2003::04::14::Evening"
written on them in perminant marker[1].

I think we've only got XXXL left however.

(on a side note can anyone who's still got tshirts that belong to
London.pm email me off list also)

Mark

[1] This is a JIT production system.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Leon Brocard]

Nicholas Clark sent the following bits through the ether:

> YAPC::Europe::UK::London::Victoria::Yahoo::Basement::2003::04::14::Evening

At the DPW I got a special customised orange badge. Will this be the
case at the tech meet?

Leon
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... Okay - right after this one we're BACK to the TOPIC

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Nicholas Clark]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 03:36:57PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Probably lunchtime Monday is a good estimate. The office manager needs 
> time to make badges.

Oooh. Yahoo! provide a venue, drinks (based on previous meetings) and now
badges. It's a real conference! Do we get conference bags?
YAPC::Europe::UK::London::Victoria::Yahoo::Basement::2003::04::14::Evening

I thought london.pm resolved never to organise a conference again?
This feels like the top of a slippery slope...

Nicholas Clark

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Simon Wistow]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:05:55PM +, the hatter said:
> Is there a deadline ?  I mean, last thing you want it someone standing at
> reception, filling in the form online, submitting it, then asking security
> to let them proceed.

Probably lunchtime Monday is a good estimate. The office manager needs 
time to make badges.

Simon

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[the hatter]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Simon Wistow wrote:

> On the other hand it's a simple web form. Not the most difficult thing
> to fill in.

Is there a deadline ?  I mean, last thing you want it someone standing at
reception, filling in the form online, submitting it, then asking security
to let them proceed.


the hatter

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Simon Wilcox]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote:

> Simon Wistow wrote:
> > It is *really* important that you sign up though. You will not "under
> > any circumstances" be let in if you've not signed up according to the
> > office manager.
> 
> Not that I've been to many tech meets, but this doesn't seem like a very good
> policy for a meeting place. Although the facility is good.

It's not a meeting place, it's their office. They're perfectly entitled to 
put into place whatever security they feel like.

As you mention, the venue is excellent and I would encourage everyone to 
be wholly positive about this lest they decide it's not worth the 
aggravation.

Simon.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Simon Wistow]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:29:31PM +0100, Jasper McCrea said:
> Not that I've been to many tech meets, but this doesn't seem like a very good
> policy for a meeting place. Although the facility is good.

The policy change from Yahoo only came at very short notice (like, 
yesterday). Faced with trying to organise a new venue in a short time or 
doing this, this seemed like the best idea. But no, I agree, it does 
make things awkward for future tech meets.

On the other hand it's a simple web form. Not the most difficult thing 
to fill in.

Simon
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Jasper McCrea]

Simon Wistow wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:58:47PM +0100, Mark Fowler said:
> > Due to a change in security policy at the venue we now need to know in
> > advance who's planning to attend.  If you think you might attend, or think
> > you might at some point in the next few days think you might attend please
> > sign up for the meeting by visiting the following url (all we need is your
> > name):
> >
> >   http://london.pm.org/cgi-bin/record/index.cgi
> 
> Just thought I'd apologise for the short notice. Company wide mandate
> and all but I only heard about this very recently.
> 
> It is *really* important that you sign up though. You will not "under
> any circumstances" be let in if you've not signed up according to the
> office manager.

Not that I've been to many tech meets, but this doesn't seem like a very good
policy for a meeting place. Although the facility is good.

Jasper

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Simon Wistow]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:58:47PM +0100, Mark Fowler said:
> Due to a change in security policy at the venue we now need to know in
> advance who's planning to attend.  If you think you might attend, or think
> you might at some point in the next few days think you might attend please
> sign up for the meeting by visiting the following url (all we need is your
> name):
> 
>   http://london.pm.org/cgi-bin/record/index.cgi

Just thought I'd apologise for the short notice. Company wide mandate 
and all but I only heard about this very recently.

It is *really* important that you sign up though. You will not "under
any circumstances" be let in if you've not signed up according to the 
office manager.

Apologies again,

Simon

[ANNOUNCE] Signup for Tech Meet Mon 14th April + Tonight Social

[Mark Fowler]

[ First up, don't forget there's a social meet tonight from 7pm onwards at
  the Windmill Pub located in Mayfair.  See the following post for full
  details: http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-March/49.html ]

This email contains further information on the upcoming "Templating
Engines and Processing Content" mini-tech meet that's taking place at
Yahoo! on Monday 14th April 2003 at 7pm (for 7.15pm start sharp), details
for *signing* *up* *beforehand* below:

In addition to the chance to see David Weeler's half hour talk on
Bricolage, confirmed for the 40min panel session and long face to face
discussions in the pub afterwards are:

  Alex MonneyTemplate Toolkit Developer
  Andy Wardley   Template Toolkit Author
  David Wheeler  Bricolage Author
  Mark LesterJake Author, Yahoo! internal templating language

Due to a change in security policy at the venue we now need to know in
advance who's planning to attend.  If you think you might attend, or think
you might at some point in the next few days think you might attend please
sign up for the meeting by visiting the following url (all we need is your
name):

  http://london.pm.org/cgi-bin/record/index.cgi

So, back to the question of the panel, or more accurately the question of
what questions we should ask them.  The questions can be on the philosophy
of the templating and content management systems, the technical aspects of
such systems, or merely for advice on big perl projects, or anything else
you might think is appropriate.  Questions should be sent to:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'll select and group the questions, and then get people who asked
them to ask them on the night.

Full details on the venue were contained in the previous email to
announce: http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-March/50.html

Hoping to see you at the social tonight, or if not then in eleven days a
week on Monday.

Mark.

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Tech Meet Thurs March 13th + Social Toni ght

[Simon Wistow]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:35:12PM -, Clayton, Nik [IT] said:
> > is anyone going to be at the pub before the meet as well? if 
> > so i'll grab an earlier (emptier) train.
> 
> At least three of us will be at some pub in the vicinity by about 6ish.
> Is there a preferred venue?

The Rising Sun. It's about 10 or 15 meters further down Ebury Road from
yahoo. You can see it from the front entrance.

RE: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Tech Meet Thurs March 13th + Social Tonight

[Clayton, Nik [IT]]

> is anyone going to be at the pub before the meet as well? if 
> so i'll grab an earlier (emptier) train.

At least three of us will be at some pub in the vicinity by about 6ish.
Is there a preferred venue?

N
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Tech Meet Thurs March 13th + Social Tonight

[Jody Belka]

Mark Fowler said:
> full directions are below.  As before you should aim to get to Yahoo!
> for 7pm, for a 7.15pm sharp start.  The meeting should last just over a
> couple of hours, and we will be retiring to a nearby drinking
> establishment
> afterwards for discussion of talks.

is anyone going to be at the pub before the meet as well? if so i'll grab
an earlier (emptier) train.


Jody

[ANNOUNCE] London.pm Mentoring Program + Tech Meet Tonight!

[Mark Fowler]

[ First up, don't forget, there's a Technical Meeting tonight at Yahoo!
  For full details see: http://london.pm.org/lpm/20030303/017342.html ]

London.pm's mentoring program is a new scheme launched by London.pm as way
to allow people wanting to learn more about Perl to directly benefit from
the more experienced members of the group.  The scheme tries to pair
together students with mentors;  This directly flexible one-on-one
training relationship allows mentoring by mixture of email, irc/instant
messaging or real life face to face meetings (whatever works best for the
mentor and student)

The training scheme is aimed at training all levels of Perl programmers,
from someone who has never programmed before, up to someone who's been
programming Perl for a while who might need some extra help with something
like OO programming, learning about database access, or better CGI
discipline.

At this stage the scheme is seeking out potential students who believe
that they could benefit from the scheme.  A short mail sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] including details such as level of experience and
approximate details of where you live/work should enable us to find a
mentor that is best suited in terms of training disciplines and ability to
meet face to face with you.

Hoping to hear from you soon (and possibly see you at the meet tonight)

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: More Tech Meet Details.

[Mark Fowler]

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Mark Fowler wrote:

> People were asking me for more details on the Tech Meet last night, so now
> I have them I'll let you know:

In addition to the aforementioned speakers, I've also agreed to let
Michael Schwern speak (him of Perl-QA and not looking like a farmer fame,
http://magnonel.guild.net/~schwern/)  Michael's not often in town so I
thought we all wouldn't mind squeezing his talks in.

In order to try and get us all down the pub in a reasonable time (i.e. so
we have time to discuss matters covered) and those people who have to
travel a long way home can get away at a reasonable time I'm going to have
to try and push the meeting on quickly;  I'd appreciate all your
extra help this meeting letting the speakers switch quickly and from one
talk to the next.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

More Tech Meet Details.

[Mark Fowler]

People were asking me for more details on the Tech Meet last night, so now
I have them I'll let you know:

Celia Romaniuk will be speaking about FOAF, a standard for describing
relationships between people.  She's been working at the BBC to use this
to map the interactions between the characters in everyone's favourite
grimey London soap, Eastenders, and hopefully she'll tell us all about it.

Jo Walsh and Matt B will be doing a "tag team talk" on RDF, irc bots, and
things of that ilk.

Bill Hailis from Yahoo! will be giving a high-level talk on "Notifier",
the network-transparent, message-passing system based on a
publish/subscribe model which they use to synchronise their network
architecture.  Written in Perl, naturally.

Nigel Hamilton will be presenting the first of two talks he's agreed to
give informing us of the current state of affairs of the laws regarding
Intellectual Property (without actually touching on the politics of the
matter.)  This month he'll be covering Trademarks and Domains;  Next
month: Copyright.

Nik Clayton will be talking on his personal experiences in redeveloping the
wheel when it comes to online photo applications, and how he's managed to
produce what he thinks is a rounder wheel than any of the other
implementations.

Finally, Ivor Williams will be giving a lightning talk on the VCS::Lite
module that he's developed.

As I said previously I'm really looking forward to this tech meeting.
The topics are broad, and there's defiantly as much in the talks for the
advanced Perl programmer as there is for the complete novice.

There's a couple of speakers that offered talks that I haven't got back
to, which I feel terrible about;  The truth be told, I'm having a very
disorganised week.  Could the speakers please email me and tell me if
they'd be willing to do the talks at a later date?

Thanks.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

[ANNOUNCE] London.pm Tech Meet Thurs March 13th + Social Tonight

[Mark Fowler]

[ First up, there's a social meeting tonight at the Star Tavern in
  Belgravia.  Full details were posted to this list already at
  http://london.pm.org/lpma/2003-February/45.html]

Announcing the March 2003 Technical Meeting.  This meeting is happening at
7pm on the 13th of March, which is a week today, and is probably a week
earlier than most people were expecting it.  This, amongst other issues,
is necessary to give speakers a chance to practice their talks in advance
of conferences later this month.  Apologies to anyone who was depending on
a later date.

The meeting will again be held at Yahoo!'s UK offices located near
Victoria.  This is the same venue as the previous meeting in January, full
directions are below.  As before you should aim to get to Yahoo! for 7pm,
for a 7.15pm sharp start.  The meeting should last just over a couple of
hours, and we will be retiring to a nearby drinking establishment
afterwards for discussion of talks.

It's looking like an interesting meeting for all involved.  I got more
proposals than I could schedule, so I'm hoping that all the speakers that
I haven't had time to schedule will be able to talk at the next meeting.

We're having a XML slant to the meeting.  We'll be discussing interesting
applications developed (so it should be interesting for XML novices and
experienced users alike)  In addition to these we've got a non-perl talk
on IP by an intellectual property lawyer (sure to be a hot topic,)
discussion of a Perl online photo application, and a talk by a Yahoo!
employee on some of the cool things he's been up to.  Plus more, if we
have time...

Thanks to all involved in advance, especially to Yahoo! for once again
providing a venue.

Directions to Yahoo!:

  The nearest tube station to Yahoo is Victoria, and almost all busses run
  to the station, though having said that it's within easy walking
  distance of Sloane Square.  Here's a couple of maps:

   http://makeashorterlink.com/?E50A22503
   http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=528517&Y=178491&A=Y&Z=1

 Directions from Victoria:

  Come out of Victoria Station onto Buckingham Palace Road (This is the
  road that busses enter the bus station from - you can follow the signs
  to "Victoria Coach Station" if you want)  You simply have to follow the
  road south/west (left) for five minutes you get to Yahoo!.  Keep walking
  along the road, past the shopping centre on your left, past the coach
  station on your right, until you get to a cross roads (where Ebury Bride
  road branches left and Pimlico Rd branched right, just past the police
  station on your right.)  The first building on the right hand side of
  Buckingham Palace Road after the crossroads is Yahoo! - identifiable as
  all the furniture inside is the corporate Yahoo! yellow and purple.

  You will probably have to identify yourself with Security when you get
  to the office, who will send you downstairs to the canteen where the
  meeting is being held. All this info is on the website:

  http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/yahoo.html

Hope to see you there (and tonight too)

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[Piers Cawley]

Leo Lapworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for a fantastic meeting, very informative and entertaining.

I'm just chuffed that a lightning talk that I wrote half an hour
before the meeting began turned out to be the theme of the evening. Am
I prescient or what?

And Matthew, I knew you were going to say that.

-- 
Piers

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[jonah]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, the hatter wrote:

> Don't forget the metallic purple stools as well.

Jeepers, you'd better get down the clinic about that. Hem.

Sorry.

-- 
matt
"Sublimity is as thin as lipstick, it wears off at a kiss."
 - Bruce Sterling

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[the hatter]

On 24 Jan 2003, Dave Cross wrote:

> > Actually, apart from the yellow! and purple! walls you
> > visited the least coherently branded part of the building.
>
> There were also yellow and purple floor tiles and even a yellow
> and purple chess board around the corner.

Don't forget the metallic purple stools as well.


the hatter

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[the hatter]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Simon Wistow wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 10:11:32AM +, the hatter said:
> > > >WHAT prominent logo!!!
> >
> > Yes, we all feel robbed.  I demand at least a giant Y! for the pub meet to
> > make up.
>
> Actually, apart from the yellow! and purple! walls you visited the least
> coherently branded part of the building.


Spinny! things! on! the! ceiling! (is there a macro for staffers to make
writing like that easier ?)

Still, lots of interesting talks, so thanks to all for that.  As for the
merchandising, I'll just have to pick up a double-helping at the next
trade show.


the hatter

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Dave Cross]

From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 1/24/03 10:38:16 AM

> Actually, apart from the yellow! and purple! walls you 
> visited the least coherently branded part of the building.

There were also yellow and purple floor tiles and even a yellow
and purple chess board around the corner.

Dave...
-- 


"Let me see you make decisions, without your television"
   - Depeche Mode (Stripped)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Simon Wistow]

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 10:11:32AM +, the hatter said:
> > >WHAT prominent logo!!!
> 
> Yes, we all feel robbed.  I demand at least a giant Y! for the pub meet to
> make up.


Sorry, there used to be one in the window but it's gone now and I just
didn't notice. THere was also supposed to be swag from marketing but I
missed the marketing person who was supposed to give it to me.

Actually, apart from the yellow! and purple! walls you visited the least
coherently branded part of the building.

Simon

RE: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Pierre Denis]

Thanks to those involved in the organisation and thanks to the speakers.
'twas really interesting.

Pierre Denis
Fotango

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Fowler
> Sent: 09 January 2003 14:38
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social
> meeting)
>
>
> [ Before I go any further, don't forget the social meeting tonight
>   in the Penderel's Oak on High Holborn, see you there
>
> http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-January/000
> 036.html]
>
> With great pleasure I announce the Jan 2002 London.pm Technical Meeting on
> Thursday 23rd of January (that's two weeks today.)  This is happening at
> Yahoo! in Victoria, directions below.
>
> This month we're looking forward to an interesting set of talks about a
> variety of topics.  Dave will be giving a thirty minute talk about
> overloading in Perl.  Leon and I will be hoping to expand you knowledge of
> various modules, where he'll be doing a ten minute talk about "Core
> Modules You Might Not Know About" and I'll be attempting to do "The
> Complete 2002 Perl Advent Calendar (Abridged)" in 25 minutes flat.
>
> To go with these we'll have a smattering of lightening talks[1].  Simon
> will be talking about Template::Plugin::XML::LibXML, Paul will be talking
> about user interfaces and web site design, and Piers will no doubt be his
> usual entertaining self talking[2] about Coding Standards.
>
> Hopefully there should be something for everyone in each of these talks no
> matter little or much experience you've had with Perl.
>
> Right, directions to Yahoo!
>
>   The nearest tube station to Yahoo is Victoria, and almost all busses run
>   to the station, though having said that it's within easy walking
>   distance of Sloane Square.  Here's a couple of maps:
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?E50A22503
>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=528517&Y=178491&A=Y&Z=1
>
>  Directions from Victoria:
>
>   "Come out of Victoria Station onto Buckingham Palace Road (there are
>   multiple ways out of the station so I won't try and list every single
>   one)  by following the signs to Victoria Coach station. Walk past the
>   shopping centre on the left hand side of the road and Victoria Coach
>   Station on the right hand side of the road until you get to a cross
>   roads (approx 5 minutes walk)."
>
>   "As you stand Ebury Bridge Road will be to your left and there will be a
>   Police Station in the bottom right hand corner. In the top right hand
>   corner will be Yahoo! complete with prominent logo."
>
>  You will probably have to sign in with Security when you get to the
>  office.
>
>  All this info is on the website:
>   http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/yahoo.html
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> While I'm announcing things, I might as well post links to other things
> happening in London this month:
>
>   FreeBSD UK Use Group meeting (Thurs 16th Jan, 7pm onwards)
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4A934503
>
>   Greater London Linux User Group meeting (Sat 18th Jan, 12pm onwards)
>http://gllug.linux.co.uk/meeting-20030118.html
>
> Mark.
>
> [1] There's probably time for a few more lightening talks if anyone can
> be convinced to give them.
>
> [2] Actually he told me he'd be ranting about them.
>
> --
> #!/usr/bin/perl -T
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};
>
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[the hatter]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:59:57AM +, Leo Lapworth wrote:

> >WHAT prominent logo!!!

Yes, we all feel robbed.  I demand at least a giant Y! for the pub meet to
make up.

> Wasn't the police station on the next cross-roads to the north?

Yeah, that too.  Thank heavens we got both maps and instructions.


the hatter

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Roger Burton West]

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:59:57AM +, Leo Lapworth wrote:
>Thanks for a fantastic meeting, very informative and entertaining.

Agreed!

>I would how ever like to take issue with the directions...
>>   "As you stand Ebury Bridge Road will be to your left and there will be a
>>   Police Station in the bottom right hand corner. In the top right hand
>>   corner will be Yahoo! complete with prominent logo."
>WHAT prominent logo!!!

Wasn't the police station on the next cross-roads to the north? And
what's a "top right hand corner" anyway?

Roger (which isn't why I was late; that was my fault)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Leo Lapworth]

Hi all,

Thanks for a fantastic meeting, very informative and entertaining.

Was sorry I couldn't make the pub after.

I would how ever like to take issue with the directions...

>   "As you stand Ebury Bridge Road will be to your left and there will be a
>   Police Station in the bottom right hand corner. In the top right hand
>   corner will be Yahoo! complete with prominent logo."

WHAT prominent logo!!!

Cheers

Leo

[ANNOUNCE] London.pm Social Thurs 6th Feb + Tech meet tonight

[Mark Fowler]

[ First up, there's a tech meeting tonight at Yahoo! near Victoria,
  Doors 6.45pm, 7.15pm sharp start. Full details are here:
  http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-January/37.html
]

Announcing the February 2003 London Perl Mongers Social Meeting on
Thursday 6th February.  If you're reading this email on the day it was
sent out, then it's two weeks today (i.e. not next Thursday, but the
one after.)

This will be held in the upstairs function room at the Knights
Templar on the west side of Chancery Lane.

  http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=531137&Y=181222&A=Y&Z=1

This is reachable with a short stroll from numerous tube stations:
Holborn (Piccadilly and Central lines), Chancery Lane (Central line),
Temple (District and Circle lines) and Blackfriars (District and
Circle lines, National Rail.)

As normal, most people will be arriving sometime around 7pm, but a
significant number of people will be there much earlier coming
straight from work.  I should note that the pub does food, so should
you want to eat there you can.

Well, I look forward to seeing you all on the 6th, and for those of
you that can make it tonight at Yahoo!.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: tech meet?

[Dave Hodgkinson]

On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 21:51, Simon Wistow wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:52:06PM +, Dave Hodgkinson said:
> > Is anyone interested in my hypothetical "Using Apache::Template in a PHP
> > stylee" talk?
> 
> Yes. And I think it would be appropriate given the venue.
> 
> I'm going to try and get someone involved in the decision to use PHP at
> Yahoo! to come along.

Uh-oh.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: tech meet?

[Simon Wistow]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:52:06PM +, Dave Hodgkinson said:
> Is anyone interested in my hypothetical "Using Apache::Template in a PHP
> stylee" talk?

Yes. And I think it would be appropriate given the venue.

I'm going to try and get someone involved in the decision to use PHP at
Yahoo! to come along.

Re: tech meet?

[Ben]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:52:06PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Is anyone interested in my hypothetical "Using Apache::Template in a PHP
> stylee" talk?

yes.

Ben

tech meet?

[Dave Hodgkinson]

Is anyone interested in my hypothetical "Using Apache::Template in a PHP
stylee" talk?

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Ben wrote:

> The before / after pub?

I leave that up to Simon Wistow to suggest.  He's out of the contry till
the 17th.  I suspect we'll be going to the local Yahoo! pub which I've
been to before and quite like.
-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Ben]

On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:06:36PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Mark Fowler wrote:
> 
> > Tech Meeting 23rd Jan
> 
> It's been pointed out to me that I should have mentioned the time.  The
> Tech meet will open it's doors at 6:45pm for a 7:15pm start, meaning we
> should be leaving the building sometime between nine and half nine.
> 
> Right, what else have I forgotten?

The before / after pub?

Ben

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Lusercop wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:06:36PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > Right, what else have I forgotten?
>
> That thing that should have been there on the top of your shoulders?

No, that was on the 2nd when I left my hat in the pub (I got it back
again though.)  Remind me not to do that tonight.

Talking of tonight, is there anything anyone needs tonight that I stand a
hope in hell of aranaging?  No unexpected guests coming in from out of
town needing me to convince other gullable Perl Mongers to let them sleep
on their couch[1]?  Nobody need my mobile number incase they get lost[1]?
Anyone need anything from my house[2]?

Oooh!  Anyone want a T-shirt?

[1] Email me off list
[2] Sensible suggestions only, see [1].

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Lusercop]

On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 03:06:36PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> Right, what else have I forgotten?

That thing that should have been there on the top of your shoulders?

-- 
Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, socialmeeting)

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Mark Fowler wrote:

> Tech Meeting 23rd Jan

It's been pointed out to me that I should have mentioned the time.  The
Tech meet will open it's doors at 6:45pm for a 7:15pm start, meaning we
should be leaving the building sometime between nine and half nine.

Right, what else have I forgotten?

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Paul Makepeace]

On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 02:37:40PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> With great pleasure I announce the Jan 2002 London.pm Technical Meeting on

2003!

First post!

:)

Takes me usually 'til Feb to not write '02 on my cheques.

P

-- 
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/

"If the destination matters, where will the flamingo lend, then all day
 long I bidi bidi bum."
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/

[ANNOUNCE] Tech Meet Thurs 23rd Jan @ Yahoo! (+ tonight, social meeting)

[Mark Fowler]

[ Before I go any further, don't forget the social meeting tonight
  in the Penderel's Oak on High Holborn, see you there
  http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-January/36.html]

With great pleasure I announce the Jan 2002 London.pm Technical Meeting on
Thursday 23rd of January (that's two weeks today.)  This is happening at
Yahoo! in Victoria, directions below.

This month we're looking forward to an interesting set of talks about a
variety of topics.  Dave will be giving a thirty minute talk about
overloading in Perl.  Leon and I will be hoping to expand you knowledge of
various modules, where he'll be doing a ten minute talk about "Core
Modules You Might Not Know About" and I'll be attempting to do "The
Complete 2002 Perl Advent Calendar (Abridged)" in 25 minutes flat.

To go with these we'll have a smattering of lightening talks[1].  Simon
will be talking about Template::Plugin::XML::LibXML, Paul will be talking
about user interfaces and web site design, and Piers will no doubt be his
usual entertaining self talking[2] about Coding Standards.

Hopefully there should be something for everyone in each of these talks no
matter little or much experience you've had with Perl.

Right, directions to Yahoo!

  The nearest tube station to Yahoo is Victoria, and almost all busses run
  to the station, though having said that it's within easy walking
  distance of Sloane Square.  Here's a couple of maps:

   http://makeashorterlink.com/?E50A22503
   http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=528517&Y=178491&A=Y&Z=1

 Directions from Victoria:

  "Come out of Victoria Station onto Buckingham Palace Road (there are
  multiple ways out of the station so I won't try and list every single
  one)  by following the signs to Victoria Coach station. Walk past the
  shopping centre on the left hand side of the road and Victoria Coach
  Station on the right hand side of the road until you get to a cross
  roads (approx 5 minutes walk)."

  "As you stand Ebury Bridge Road will be to your left and there will be a
  Police Station in the bottom right hand corner. In the top right hand
  corner will be Yahoo! complete with prominent logo."

 You will probably have to sign in with Security when you get to the
 office.

 All this info is on the website:
  http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/yahoo.html

Hope to see you there.

While I'm announcing things, I might as well post links to other things
happening in London this month:

  FreeBSD UK Use Group meeting (Thurs 16th Jan, 7pm onwards)
   http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4A934503

  Greater London Linux User Group meeting (Sat 18th Jan, 12pm onwards)
   http://gllug.linux.co.uk/meeting-20030118.html

Mark.

[1] There's probably time for a few more lightening talks if anyone can
be convinced to give them.

[2] Actually he told me he'd be ranting about them.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};

Re: Tech Meet Followup

[Rob Symes]

Thanks. I enjoyed giving a talk, not something I do very often.  I'll see
if I can think of something for the next one...

Rob.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:53:37PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Thanks to everyone for the great tech meet last night.  Thanks to the
> speakers for turning up and talking (and *finally* getting me all their
> slides in advance.)  Thanks to Profero for the venue.  Thanks to Justin
> and Tim for staying after work to help.  Thanks to everyone for turning
> up.
> 
> Oh, and thanks to Leo for getting the slides online already:
> 
>http://london.pm.org/tech_talks/21_nov_2002/
> 
> They're all there, with the exception of Lucy's phyiscal props, which were
> a bit hard to digitise.  To console yourself there's the extra bonus Dave
> Cantrell slides which weren't actually presented at the tech meet.
> 
> Right, enough of that.  Who wants to speak at the next one then?  It's
> provisionally scheduled for the 23rd of Jan 2003 (venue allowing) and I'm
> accepting lightning talks, twenty minute talks, and even fourty minute
> talks/tutorials.
> 
> And yes, this *is* me trying to give speakers two months to write talks.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
> s''  Mark Fowler London.pm   Bath.pm
>  http://www.twoshortplanks.com/  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t->Tputs(cl);for$w(split/  +/
> ){for(0..30){$|=print$t->Tgoto(cm,$_,$y)." $w";select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}

Re: Tech Meet Followup

[Lucy McWilliam]

Natalie Ford wrote:

(Sliiides)

> They're all there, with the exception of Lucy's phyiscal props, which
> were a bit hard to digitise.
>
> Oh.  Damn.  Nobody took digi photos?

I don't have a digicam, but I'll put summat up when I'm not busy
writing spoof websites.


L.
Mapreading for Nazgul.

Re: Tech Meet Followup

[Simon Wistow]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:53:37PM +, Mark Fowler said:
> Right, enough of that.  Who wants to speak at the next one then?  It's
> provisionally scheduled for the 23rd of Jan 2003 (venue allowing)
   
Having talked to Mark I've now booked Yahoo! Europe's (located next to
Victoria Coach Station) board room which comes with a overhead
projector. I can provide Mac and Windows machines pre connected if
necessary.

The board room has a very funky glass wall that turns opaque at the
touch of a button for that geek attraction factor.

I may also be able to persuade somebody here to talk about how Perl is
used at Yahoo! (a lot ... > 3 million lines not including the little
scripts everybody has lying around)

Simon

Re: Tech Meet Followup

[Natalie S. Ford]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:53:37PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> They're all there, with the exception of Lucy's phyiscal props, which were
> a bit hard to digitise.


Oh.  Damn.  Nobody took digi photos?
Now I am doubly disapointed to have missed the tech meet...


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RE: Tech Meet Followup

[Richard Clyne]

No surely you are giving them six weeks notice of the fact they have two
weeks to write the talk!

-Original Message-
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Sent: 22 November 2002 12:54
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tech Meet Followup


And yes, this *is* me trying to give speakers two months to write talks.

Mark.

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Tech Meet Followup

[Mark Fowler]

Hello.

Thanks to everyone for the great tech meet last night.  Thanks to the
speakers for turning up and talking (and *finally* getting me all their
slides in advance.)  Thanks to Profero for the venue.  Thanks to Justin
and Tim for staying after work to help.  Thanks to everyone for turning
up.

Oh, and thanks to Leo for getting the slides online already:

   http://london.pm.org/tech_talks/21_nov_2002/

They're all there, with the exception of Lucy's phyiscal props, which were
a bit hard to digitise.  To console yourself there's the extra bonus Dave
Cantrell slides which weren't actually presented at the tech meet.

Right, enough of that.  Who wants to speak at the next one then?  It's
provisionally scheduled for the 23rd of Jan 2003 (venue allowing) and I'm
accepting lightning talks, twenty minute talks, and even fourty minute
talks/tutorials.

And yes, this *is* me trying to give speakers two months to write talks.

Mark.

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[ANNOUNCE] Voting open; tech meet reminder

[Paul Mison]

Firstly, a reminder that there is a technical meeting this Thursday,
21st November, at Profero, Liverpool Road, Islington. The meeting starts
at 7pm with the venue open from 6.30pm.

Mark Fowler posted fuller details a week or so ago:
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2002-November/26.html

Now we have all four manifestos from candidates, voting is open for the
London.pm leadership election. Voting closes at 21:00 GMT on Wednesday,
December 4th.

Voters are reminded that votes cast before now are NOT valid.
Please resubmit your vote in order for it to count!

Full rules are here:
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2002-November/27.html

Manifestos are here:
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2002-November/28.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-2002/015011.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2002-November/29.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2002-November/30.html

To vote, please mark your choices with '1', '2' and '3' in the following
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Lightening Talk Tech Meet, Thursday 21st November

[Mark Fowler]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Mark Fowler wrote:

> With pleasure London.pm announces:

Yes, I know there are a million and one spelling mistakes in this.

D'oh.

Let's just say there was a little botch up on the approval system which 
causes this to slip though un-proofread and leave it at that.

Mark.

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[ANNOUNCE] Lightening Talk Tech Meet, Thursday 21st November

[Mark Fowler]

With pleasure London.pm announces:

ALL LIGHTENING TALKS ALL THE TIME

This is the official announcement of the long awaited November Tech Meet,
taking place at 7pm on Thursday, 21st Novemeber 2002, being held at 
Profero's UK offices.

Q: Er, when?

A: You lot don't half get confused about dates do you?  That's not
tomorrow (that's the 7th, when the social is,) nor the next Thursday after
that (that's the 14th) but the Thursday after that (the 21st.)

Q: You mean it's going to be *all* lightening talks?

A: Yes! This month, rather than doing long twenty minute talks we're going
to bow to the MTV generation and have just lightening talks.  As you know,
a lightening talk is a quick talk that only lasts five or so minutes, so 
we can fit a lot of them in.

Q: What's the point in that?

A: As an attendee this has several advantages:

 1) If you find the subject matter boring, or too technical, or not 
technical enough, you don't have to listen for too long till the next 
subject comes along.

 2) You get a wide varied range of subjects discussed, so you get to learn 
a little bit about a lot of things.

I've been saying this all along, but if you've never been to a tech meet
before, this would be an ideal introduction as you get to see a lot of
interesting stuff without having to think too hard ;-).

Q: Okay, but what will the talks actually be on?

A: We've got a range of subjects covered, from day to day operational
stuff (for example how to set up and install mod_perl on FreeBSD,)
though discussions of interesting and exciting modules (like Simon's talk
on his dynamic website) up to quick primers on hot subjects related to
Perl (for example, Information Architecture and Bioinformatics.)  Oh, and
a lot moreAt last count we had 14 people due to give talks.

Q: Crikey, won't that take a long time?

No, not really, well, about two hours (estimating it taking about ten
minutes to present each five minute talk.)  Which means we should be in
the pub by half nine ;-), giving us plenty of time for casual questions 
to be put to the speakers.

Q: Okay, I'm coming already.  Where's the venue?

A: The meeting will be held at the UK offices of Profero 
(http://www.profero.com) located half way between Angel and Highbury and 
Islington tube stations.  An address and streetmap URL:

 Ground Floor,
 134 Liverpool Road
 London
 N1 1LA
 
 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=531422&Y=183954&A=Y&Z=1

The entrance to the office is set back off the east side Liverpool road,
and to get to it you need to go down a passageway between a corner shop
and a laundrette, roughly opposite the bar "Stone", which can be easily
spotted due to the large lizard climbing up the corner of the building.

There should be someone at the door to meet you.  If there isn't, hit the
buzzer marked "Profero" and ask for me.  We're on the ground floor, so we 
shouldn't be hard to find.  For security reasons we'll be getting people 
to sign in, but you'll find it's generally quite a relaxed place.

Q: And what time should I show up again?

A: Talks will start at 7pm, and so we don't annoy the Profero staff
members you should show up no earlier than 6.30pm.  Did I mention that
there's a bar called "Stone" opposite?  There's also a proper pub called
"Houricans" next to that that serves drinks other than Stella and
Hoegaarden.

Q: Anything else I need to know?

A: Not really, I guess I should reiterate this meeting's zero heckling
policy that I promised the speakers though.  The talks should only take
five minutes, so you can ask questions at the end, and if there's not time
for that then I'm scheduling a lot of time for talking in the pub
afterwards.

Hope to see you there, if not at the social meet before.

Mark.

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Call For Participation: Nov Tech meet.

[Mark Fowler]

Hello,

This is a call for participation for the November tech meet on Thursday
November the 21st. 

Lightening talks are easy to give...you're only on stage for five to seven
minutes, and they're over almost as soon as they've started.  This is a
great chance for people (especially people who've never given a talk
before) to talk about any old thing that they've been doing with Perl
without needing to get too indepth.

In case you're sitting there thinking "I'd be great at giving a talk, but
I've got nothing to talk about" then I've got a list of technical topics
that you can pick from (though it'd probably be easier for you to do a
case study from your work)...for example "The difference between my,
local, and our", "The core file modules", "die, eval, and exception
handling", "the pack operator", etc, etc.  Or just pick any random module 
off of CPAN and give a five minute introduction to it.

And you've got a lot of time to prepare these talks.  Mark's handy 
date-chart-o-matic gives:

  October   November
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa  Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
  1  2
you are here -->  9 10 11 12   3  4  5  6  7  8  9
13 14 15 16 17 18 19  10 11 12 13 14 15 16
20 21 22 23 24 25 26  17 18 19 20 21  <-- tech meet here

So far I've got nine volunteers[1].  I'm looking for about fifteen 
presentations (giving us time for about two hours of talks, including 
faffage.) 

Drop me a line if you're considering giving a talk and I'll let you know 
more details.

Mark.

[1] Though I do remember someone else volunteering to talk about something 
else at the social meet, though I didn't write it down.  If you 
volunteered to talk and I haven't sent you a personal mail about it, 
please mail me.

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Phones / Meta Ranting At Simon / Tech Meet Venue

[Mark Fowler]

On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:

> Got me there :) [0]  I still hate them though.

As someone who got numerous phone calls over the years for you (both on
his mobile and on the landline demanding to know numbers of whereever the
hell you were that night) I hearby (and in this public forum) suggest that
if you ever try this rant again then the whole of London.pm should 
inflict some horrible punishment on you

...like trying to organise a tech meet venue.  Any suggestions (er, 
offers) for the next tech meet venue to me off list please.

Mark.

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Tech meet, still on, still tonight

[Paul Mison]

Despite the privations of the tube strike, the technical meeting at the
Angel pub, City Road, just south of Old Street roundabout, is still on
(all the speakers, and Jon Mckoewn, the Man with the Projector, are all
able to attend), with us gathering at 6.30 for a 7pm start (although of
course we'll do the most interesting talks last, and we'll be expecting
that people may be a bit late).

Just as a note I'd forgotten to mention before, the meeting is upstairs.

Full directions to the meeting, and a map, are at
http://london.pm.org/meetings/

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Tech Meet, Thursday 18th July.

[Chris Ball]

Hi, all.

So, this is your just-over-a-week warning.  Please make an entry in your
PDA/calendar groupware/phone/diary/all of the above; we'll be at Fotango
(32-37 Cowper Street, EC2A 4AW) on the 18th July from about 6:30pm
(first talk at 7pm).  There'll be a projector, I'm told, graciously
provided by Jonathan McKeown, but no net access - if you're giving a
talk, you should be working on your slides and should get them to Leon
Brocard beforehand or bring them on a floppy on the night.

The current line-up is:

o  Leon Brocard:
  "CPAN Modules I Hate and CPAN Modules I Like"

o  Paul Mison:
  "The one where I went to YAPC::NA and wittered about it"

o  Chris Ball:
  "Magicpoint:  A meta-presentation"

o  Dave Cross:
  "Idiomatic Perl"

o  Jo Walsh:
  "Why bots and the semantic web will change the world."

o  Paul Mison: 
  "The one where I bore you to death about Scribot"

o  Pierre Denis:
  "A Talk About Vx"

It's a huge number of talks for one night - there's about two hours of
straight talking with no breaks there.  I'm guessing that there'll be a
couple of changes as a result:

Firstly, we're going to be _really_ strict about enforcing arbitrary and
subject-to-change time limits.  I'll.. get someone less shy than myself
to shout at you until you stop talking, so be warned and please don't be
offended if we cut short a good Q&A; try and remember what was being
talked about for the pub later on.

Secondly, I doubt anyone's going to have the concentration to attend all
of the talks.  Feel free to pick the ones you think you're going to
enjoy and disappear off to the pub for the others.  We won't mind.  

I talked with Leon about the possibility of splitting some of the
lightning talks into two streams, but we only have one room available.
If anyone thinks something should be done to reduce the time taken up by
the talks, let us know.

Hope to see you there,

- Chris.
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Re: Perldoc, was Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Steve Mynott]

Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Though more often than not I find myself doing
> 
>  $ sudo emacs `perldoc -l Test::Builder::Tester`
> 
> To load it up in emacs or suchlike.  (This is another reason not to run 
> always as root...perldoc will barf if you run it as root, but doing it 
> with sudo the `` doesn't have root privlidiges at this point.)

or use perldoc -U

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Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Natalie S. Ford]

On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 02:21:54PM +0100, Andy Wardley wrote:
> This very morning, Glorious Ex-Leader Dave Cross .sigged:
> >   ...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again
> I misread that as:
> ...ssh opened strange doors that we'd never close again
> Still rather appropriate, I thought.

...and apt, considering our ssh woes...  ;-)

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Perldoc, was Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Andy Wardley wrote:

>Use 'perldoc -l' to tell you the location of a module on your system.
>'perldoc -i' gives you case insensitivity which is also often useful.
> 
>e.g.
>  $ perldoc -li template
>  /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i686-linux/Template.pm

However, that only works if the person has been nice enough to include 
some documentation for a module

 $ perldoc -l Template::Directive
 No documentation found for "Template::Directive".

If they have though, You can use the -m option to view the source in your 
pager as well.

 $ perldoc -m Test::Builder::Tester

Though more often than not I find myself doing

 $ sudo emacs `perldoc -l Test::Builder::Tester`

To load it up in emacs or suchlike.  (This is another reason not to run 
always as root...perldoc will barf if you run it as root, but doing it 
with sudo the `` doesn't have root privlidiges at this point.)

Later.

Mark.

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Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Leo Lapworth]

On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 11:09:12AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 08:01:28PM +0100, Chris Ball ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > We appear to have a tech meet on our hands. 
> 
> Any chance we can get this info up on the web site. I'd like to invite some
> people who aren't on the mailing list.

I present my posterior for a good spanking.

Meeting page now updated.

Sorry, I've not got round to updating a few things on
the site recently, I'll catch up over the weekend.

Cheers

Leo

Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Andy Wardley]

This very morning, Glorious Ex-Leader Dave Cross .sigged:
>   ...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again

I misread that as:
...ssh opened strange doors that we'd never close again

Still rather appropriate, I thought.

A


ObPerl:
   Use 'perldoc -l' to tell you the location of a module on your system.
   'perldoc -i' gives you case insensitivity which is also often useful.

   e.g.
 $ perldoc -li template
 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i686-linux/Template.pm

Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Dave Cross]

On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 08:01:28PM +0100, Chris Ball ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> We appear to have a tech meet on our hands.  The good people at Fotango
> have offered to play host for us on Thursday 18th July; we still need a
> projector, but I have a lead on that and I'm not begging shamelessly
> just yet.  :-)
> 
> Line-up so far:

[snip]

Any chance we can get this info up on the web site. I'd like to invite some
people who aren't on the mailing list.

Dave...

-- 
  ...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again

RE: Tech meet, finalised.

[Pierre Denis]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Ball
> Sent: 27 June 2002 20:01
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Tech meet, finalised.
>
>
> Hi, all.
>
> We appear to have a tech meet on our hands.  The good people at Fotango
> have offered to play host for us on Thursday 18th July; we still need a
> projector, but I have a lead on that and I'm not begging shamelessly
> just yet.  :-)
>
> Line-up so far:
>
> Leon Brocard: "CPAN Modules I Hate and CPAN Modules I Like"
>   = 20 mins.
>
> Paul Mison:   "The One Where I Went To YAPC::NA And Wittered About It"
>   = 10 mins.
>
> Chris Ball:   "Magicpoint:  A meta-presentation"
>   = 20 mins.
>
> Dave Cross:   "Idiomatic Perl" (another extract)
>   = 30 mins.
>
> Paul Mison:   "The One Where I Bore You To Death About Scribot"
>   = 10 mins.
>
> Pierre Denis: "A Talk About Vx"
>   = 30 mins.
>
> This adds up to two hours of fun-packed Perl goodness.  If anyone has
> any other talks to volunteer let me know, as I don't think we have
> tremendous time limits.  If I've judged the amount of time your talk
> will last wrongly, let me know and I'll move things around.
>
> Sound okay to everyone?
>
> - Chris.


I'm glat we can host the tech meeting in our offices. The nice thing is I
won't get lost in London to find the meeting.
We may have some network connections, not sure yet, sys admins are looking
at it.

I will only ask, please, not to bring the camel with you - the cleaner will
not appreciate it. Otherwise: everybody else is welcome :-)


Pierre Denis
www.fotango.com

Re: Tech meet, finalised.

[Chris Ball]

> "Chris" == Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Chris> Line-up so far:

Add a lightning talk from Jo Walsh on "Why bots and the semantic web
will change the world.", to go before Paul's scribot talk. 

- Chris.
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Tech meet, finalised.

[Chris Ball]

Hi, all.

We appear to have a tech meet on our hands.  The good people at Fotango
have offered to play host for us on Thursday 18th July; we still need a
projector, but I have a lead on that and I'm not begging shamelessly
just yet.  :-)

Line-up so far:

Leon Brocard: "CPAN Modules I Hate and CPAN Modules I Like" 
  = 20 mins.

Paul Mison:   "The One Where I Went To YAPC::NA And Wittered About It"
  = 10 mins.

Chris Ball:   "Magicpoint:  A meta-presentation"
  = 20 mins.

Dave Cross:   "Idiomatic Perl" (another extract)
  = 30 mins.

Paul Mison:   "The One Where I Bore You To Death About Scribot"
  = 10 mins.

Pierre Denis: "A Talk About Vx"
  = 30 mins.

This adds up to two hours of fun-packed Perl goodness.  If anyone has
any other talks to volunteer let me know, as I don't think we have
tremendous time limits.  If I've judged the amount of time your talk
will last wrongly, let me know and I'll move things around.

Sound okay to everyone?

- Chris.
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