Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-10-03 Thread Mark Foley 
You make good points about distributing work among servers, although there are
talking points on both sides of that issue. I haven't even looked at virtual
servers yet.

The starting point was replacing our SBS 2008.  We had a decision to make. 
Microsoft has dropped the SBS product and its replacement, Server Essentials,
does not do Exchange.  This office is a pension management firm and putting
anything in the cloud is not an option at present.  Yet our users are VERY
familiar with the Windows interface and rely on roaming logins, redirected
folders etc.  Our solution was to go with Samba4 AD/DC which provided all the
functionality of SBS except for Exchange.  To replace that we opted to use
Sendmail/procmail/Dovecot/IMAP which has worked very well with only a few minor
issues (e.g. Shared calendars are not writable by non-owners). 

To that end, I sought to move all SBS functionality to the Samba4 AD/DC.  Since
SBS required being the DHCP and DNS servers, I did the same for the Samba box;
didn't really think about it otherwise.  Not that much going on, really.  The
Samba server is 98%+ idle.  It does have email and redirected folders, but
shared files are kept on a different, NAS server, web hosting and internal
pension applications on another, SQL Server on another, QuickBooks on another 
...

With Windows 10 now joining the fray to harvest as much data as possible off
users' workstations, we need to look for a more secure alternative for staff
workstations.  Hence my investigation of LTSP and VNC.  Fortunately, our
managment has grown increasingly tired of Microsoft's abandonment of this market
sector (we recently downgraded from Office 2013 to 2010 for this reason). 

Unfortunately for my objectives, Microsoft *does* priovide pretty nice user
interfaces and features in its products. It'll be difficult to duplicate
redirected folders on non-Microsoft clients.

Tell me, were you able to run multiple monitors to one workstation with LTSP?

--Mark

-Original Message-
> From: "Christopher Roberts" 
> To: 
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:04:59 +0100
> Organization: Trident Honda
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0
>
> > Actually, my intention is to run LTSP *on* the Samba4 AD. Why not? Given
> that, the same host would be running DHCP -- > unless LTSP wants to take
> over DHCP?
> > Is there a problem running LTSP on the same host that currently runs DHCP?
>
> I have learnt the hard way that combining server functions is generally a
> bad idea. Personally I wouldn't even store data on the LTSP server, that way
> you can easily upgrade or replace LTSP with minimal user disruption.
>
> You have think about your future - having to update and maintain a server
> that is doing multiple functions - well, you're in danger of having an
> over-complicated mess. And when things go wrong - yikes!
>
> These days I tend to have my servers virtualised and then spin up new VMs
> for each function. Life is simpler that way and you have the other benefit
> of being able to snapshot servers before upgrades.
>
> > Well, in fact, I think DHCP *is* needed and Samba4 wants to update DNS 
> > -- which needs DHCP. Not totally sure about this, will research, but 
> > I recall that Windows SBS HAD TO BE the DHCP server and DNS server.
>
> Our Samba4 AD server is certainly *not* the DHCP server, and I don't believe
> that is a requirement, providing the information being given out by the DHCP
> server is correct for your Active Directory network.
>
> > I'm wondering if you could tell me more specifically why LTSP and 
> > Open/Libre Office didn't work out for you with Samba4 AD? 
> > That's precicely the target platforms I'm looking at.  Esp the 
> > OpenOffice thing -- we're looking at migrating away from Win7 
> > (more precisely, we're looking at never going to Win10!) and 
> > OpenOffice is a logical replacement for Office 201x.
>
> Well we are motor dealers, and as a franchise holder we have no power over
> the franchise. When they send us Powerpoint presentations laden with videos
> and transitions and heaven knows what else - we *have* to be able to view
> them. When they send us Excel spreadsheets laden with Visual Basic macros -
> we have to be able to use them. Open|LibreOffice are very good, and if
> you're not beholden to anyone - they should be perfectly good enough.
>
> And don't forget we do now have Office 365, which works on Linux in a
> browser.
>
> > Thanks for your feedback
>
> My pleasure, having used LTSP exclusively at our dealerships for 8 years, it
> was a great sadness to move away. It was mainly our directors who struggled
> with LTSP, most of our users preferred the simplicity of a Linux desktop and
> the fact that it all just worked. The directors tended to feel the
> compatibility issues most keenly, I think because often people outside of
> our organisation judged us on why we could not do things that every other
> Honda dealer could do.

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-10-02 Thread Christopher Roberts 
> Actually, my intention is to run LTSP *on* the Samba4 AD. Why not? Given
that, the same host would be running DHCP -- > unless LTSP wants to take
over DHCP?
> Is there a problem running LTSP on the same host that currently runs DHCP?

I have learnt the hard way that combining server functions is generally a
bad idea. Personally I wouldn't even store data on the LTSP server, that way
you can easily upgrade or replace LTSP with minimal user disruption.

You have think about your future - having to update and maintain a server
that is doing multiple functions - well, you're in danger of having an
over-complicated mess. And when things go wrong - yikes!

These days I tend to have my servers virtualised and then spin up new VMs
for each function. Life is simpler that way and you have the other benefit
of being able to snapshot servers before upgrades.

> Well, in fact, I think DHCP *is* needed and Samba4 wants to update DNS 
> -- which needs DHCP. Not totally sure about this, will research, but 
> I recall that Windows SBS HAD TO BE the DHCP server and DNS server.

Our Samba4 AD server is certainly *not* the DHCP server, and I don't believe
that is a requirement, providing the information being given out by the DHCP
server is correct for your Active Directory network.

> I'm wondering if you could tell me more specifically why LTSP and 
> Open/Libre Office didn't work out for you with Samba4 AD? 
> That's precicely the target platforms I'm looking at.  Esp the 
> OpenOffice thing -- we're looking at migrating away from Win7 
> (more precisely, we're looking at never going to Win10!) and 
> OpenOffice is a logical replacement for Office 201x.

Well we are motor dealers, and as a franchise holder we have no power over
the franchise. When they send us Powerpoint presentations laden with videos
and transitions and heaven knows what else - we *have* to be able to view
them. When they send us Excel spreadsheets laden with Visual Basic macros -
we have to be able to use them. Open|LibreOffice are very good, and if
you're not beholden to anyone - they should be perfectly good enough.

And don't forget we do now have Office 365, which works on Linux in a
browser.

> Thanks for your feedback

My pleasure, having used LTSP exclusively at our dealerships for 8 years, it
was a great sadness to move away. It was mainly our directors who struggled
with LTSP, most of our users preferred the simplicity of a Linux desktop and
the fact that it all just worked. The directors tended to feel the
compatibility issues most keenly, I think because often people outside of
our organisation judged us on why we could not do things that every other
Honda dealer could do.

If I was ever to move back to LTSP again, and it is certainly a possibility,
this is how I would do it:

 1. Samba4 Active Directory server
 2. Samba4 File and Print server
 3. Windows 10 Pro PCs for the directors, with Office 365 and mapped folders
to the Samba4 file and print server.
 4. LTSP desktops for everyone else, based on Lubuntu 14.04 LTS and with
mapped directories to the Samba 4 file and print server.
 5. LibreOffice set to open and save in evil MS Office formats (perhaps
Strict ooxml).
 6. X2GO installed on the LTSP server for remote users to access via
OpenVPN.

Includes some serious compromises to my FLOSS ideals, but would be a
workable set-up for our specific needs. Sadly business and FLOSS are not
always comfortable bed fellows, but I do the best I can.

Chris.


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-10-01 Thread Christopher Roberts 
> I'm going to try downloading and tweaking the Ubuntu LTSP and see 
> if I can get that going per Christopher Roberts' "suggestion".

Apologies if my earlier email was overly brief! I started typing up a much
longer one and then thought that my first response should be to simply ask
if there was a specific reason why you felt that they could not be combined.

At the end of the day if LTSP will work with Windows Active Directory then
it should work with any "distro"!

I note that you have DHCP running on the Samba4 AD server - that would need
to be moved over to your new LTSP server, or at least that would be the
simplest option. As I understand it, DHCP is not a core component of AD so
that shouldn't be an issue for you. You would just need to ensure that DHCP
on the LTSP server is set-up correctly - so that it configures clients with
for DNS pointing at the Samba 4 server.

Personally I have only used Debian LTSP and I never integrated it with AD.
And now we are using Samba4 AD, but have stopped using LTSP, having reverted
to the dark side :(. LTSP was great, sadly OpenOffice / LibreOffice just
weren't compatible enough for us.

Kind regards,

Chris.


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-10-01 Thread Vagrant Cascadian 
On 2015-10-01, Christopher Roberts wrote:
> Apologies if my earlier email was overly brief! I started typing up a much
> longer one and then thought that my first response should be to simply ask
> if there was a specific reason why you felt that they could not be combined.
>
> At the end of the day if LTSP will work with Windows Active Directory then
> it should work with any "distro"!

And if you can configure any distro to work with Windows Active
Directory, it shouldn't be difficult to configure LTSP to use it, at
least indirectly through the LTSP Server...


> I note that you have DHCP running on the Samba4 AD server - that would need
> to be moved over to your new LTSP server, or at least that would be the
> simplest option.

As long as your DHCP server is reasonable, it's not typically hard to
have DHCP running on a separate server from the LTSP server. The main
issues are with built-in routers or any environment which gives you very
limited control of the DHCP options.

Worst-case (or maybe best-case, depending on your perspective), you
probably can use dnsmasq's ProxyDHCP support:

  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP


live well,
  vagrant


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-10-01 Thread Mark Foley 
Chris - thanks for your followup - a couple of questions on your comments before
I dive in head-first:

> I note that you have DHCP running on the Samba4 AD server - that would need
> to be moved over to your new LTSP server, or at least that would be the
> simplest option. 

Actually, my intention is to run LTSP *on* the Samba4 AD. Why not? Given that,
the same host would be running DHCP -- unless LTSP wants to take over DHCP?
Is there a problem running LTSP on the same host that currently runs DHCP?

> As I understand it, DHCP is not a core component of AD so
> that shouldn't be an issue for you.

Well, in fact, I think DHCP *is* needed and Samba4 wants to update DNS -- which
needs DHCP. Not totally sure about this, will research, but I recall that
Windows SBS HAD TO BE the DHCP server and DNS server.

> And now we are using Samba4 AD, but have stopped using LTSP, having reverted
> to the dark side :(. LTSP was great, sadly OpenOffice / LibreOffice just
> weren't compatible enough for us.

Very interesting, I'm still semi-dark-side, but using Samba4 as the AD/DC
replacement for SBS 2008.  All the Win7 workstations work just fine as domain
members with roaming logins, redirected folders, remote desktop, group policies,
etc.  I'm wondering if you could tell me more specifically why LTSP and
Open/Libre Office didn't work out for you with Samba4 AD? That's precicely the
target platforms I'm looking at.  Esp the OpenOffice thing -- we're looking at
migrating away from Win7 (more precisely, we're looking at never going to
Win10!) and OpenOffice is a logical replacement for Office 201x. 

Thanks for your feedback --Mark

-Original Message-
> From: "Christopher Roberts" 
> To: 
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:12:55 +0100
> Organization: Trident Honda
>
> > I'm going to try downloading and tweaking the Ubuntu LTSP and see 
> > if I can get that going per Christopher Roberts' "suggestion".
>
> Apologies if my earlier email was overly brief! I started typing up a much
> longer one and then thought that my first response should be to simply ask
> if there was a specific reason why you felt that they could not be combined.
>
> At the end of the day if LTSP will work with Windows Active Directory then
> it should work with any "distro"!
>
> I note that you have DHCP running on the Samba4 AD server - that would need
> to be moved over to your new LTSP server, or at least that would be the
> simplest option. As I understand it, DHCP is not a core component of AD so
> that shouldn't be an issue for you. You would just need to ensure that DHCP
> on the LTSP server is set-up correctly - so that it configures clients with
> for DNS pointing at the Samba 4 server.
>
> Personally I have only used Debian LTSP and I never integrated it with AD.
> And now we are using Samba4 AD, but have stopped using LTSP, having reverted
> to the dark side :(. LTSP was great, sadly OpenOffice / LibreOffice just
> weren't compatible enough for us.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Chris.
>
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-29 Thread William Fragakis 
Adding to what Chris said, we have a Debian ltsp server on a network
otherwise populated by EL6 and 7 boxes including EL6 (Scientific Linux)
DHCP server and another EL 6 NFS server.


If you want to set up a little Ubuntu (or whatever flavor you chose)
sandbox, it takes just a few lines added/edited to dhcpd.conf.


Regards,
William

On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 12:02 +,
ltsp-discuss-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:21:34 +0100
> From: "Christopher Roberts" <c...@tridentgarages.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started
> To: <ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Message-ID: <000601d0fa09$be9fd5a0$3bdf80e0$@tridentgarages.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Mark Foley <mfo...@ohprs.org> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 
> > installed in the office and is the Active Directory/Domain
> Controller 
> > server for the domain using Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and
> is the
> Windows "terminal server-ish"
> > routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations.
> 
> Why would using Slackware 64 Samba4 AD prevent you from using Ubuntu
> LTSP?
> 
> Chris.
> 



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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-29 Thread Mark Foley 
Well, I've partially answered my own questions ...

I've downloaded the desktop and server ISOs at
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04 and they appear to boot right to
Ubuntu and presumably have some scripts the install things, including LTSP. I
saw no LTSP repositories on those CDs. So, this does not appear to be an option
since I'm trying to use Slackware, not create a stand-alone Ubuntu server.

I then went to 
https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/wiki/Install%20on%20other%20distributions/
per Jigish Gohil's suggestion and examined the retrieved kiwi-ltsp.tar.xz.  It
has lots of files that install in /etc, /usr and /srv, but that's all I figure
out.  There is no README in the tarfile, or further instructions on the 
website. 
Lots of assumed knowledge with this and I've no idea what to do next.

Next, per James McQuillan's, Jigish Gohil's and Vagrant Cascadian's suggestions
I downloaded the "branches" from launchpad:

$ bzr branch lp:ltsp/ldm-trunk
$ bzr branch lp:ltsp/ltsp-trunk

These look more promising and understandable. I'll see what I can do with these
and post back.

--Mark

-Original Message-
From: Mark Foley 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:16:07 -0400
Organization: Ohio Highway Patrol Retirement System
To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net

I'm going to try downloading and tweaking the Ubuntu LTSP and see if I can get
that going per Christopher Roberts' "suggestion".

Before I head down the wrong path right from the start, I've got the link 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, which points to
the iso at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.

Is this a reasonable place to start or totally the wrong CD for what I am trying
to do?

If I make progress (or even if not), I'll see what I can do with Vagrant
Cascadian's suggestion to create a Slackware version.

Slackware is still a pretty robust disto. I reverted back to Slackware when my
Debian attempt at installing the Samba4 AD/DC slogged to a halt. The Slackware
distro for Samba4 AD/DC worked right out of the box, no problem.

Note: if reading these last two paragraphs has caused the point of this message
to slip your mind, I repeat, is the http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04
iso and instructions at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
a good starting point?

--Mark

-Original Message-
> From: "Christopher Roberts" 
> To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:21:34 +0100
> Organization: Trident Honda
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Mark Foley  wrote:
> > Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 
> > installed in the office and is the Active Directory/Domain Controller 
> > server for the domain using Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and is the
> Windows "terminal server-ish"
> > routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations.
>
> Why would using Slackware 64 Samba4 AD prevent you from using Ubuntu LTSP?
>
> Chris.
>
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-29 Thread Mark Foley 
I'm assuming that one of these trunk folders I've downloaded (ldm-trunk/,
ltsp-trunk/) contains a bit of top-level documentation (haven't checked yet)
about the theory of operation for LTSP and perhaps a bit about what I'm actually
trying to build?

I get the idea for the clients: they will boot from the server and have no local
storage and will presumably have a X-desktop and presumably when the user logs
on will get his/her own private directories on the LTSP server and optionally
public directories, right?

So, what does the server software do? Download the boot image? What else?

How does LTSP differ from simply a user having a local workstation and whose
local X-desktop connects to the office "server" and let's the user log into that
"server"? I'm sure I've done this before, but not lately.

Any feedback on concepts would be helpful. It seems like it's understood that
the concepts are already known to the potential user. Yes, I've read
http://www.ltsp.org/benefits/, but that too generic.

If there's an appropriate doc in my trunk folder, just point me to it.

Thanks, Mark


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-29 Thread Mark Foley 
I'm going to try downloading and tweaking the Ubuntu LTSP and see if I can get
that going per Christopher Roberts' "suggestion".

Before I head down the wrong path right from the start, I've got the link 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, which points to
the iso at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.

Is this a reasonable place to start or totally the wrong CD for what I am trying
to do?

If I make progress (or even if not), I'll see what I can do with Vagrant
Cascadian's suggestion to create a Slackware version.

Slackware is still a pretty robust disto. I reverted back to Slackware when my
Debian attempt at installing the Samba4 AD/DC slogged to a halt. The Slackware
distro for Samba4 AD/DC worked right out of the box, no problem.

Note: if reading these last two paragraphs has caused the point of this message
to slip your mind, I repeat, is the http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04
iso and instructions at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
a good starting point?

--Mark

-Original Message-
> From: "Christopher Roberts" 
> To: 
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:21:34 +0100
> Organization: Trident Honda
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Mark Foley  wrote:
> > Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 
> > installed in the office and is the Active Directory/Domain Controller 
> > server for the domain using Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and is the
> Windows "terminal server-ish"
> > routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations.
>
> Why would using Slackware 64 Samba4 AD prevent you from using Ubuntu LTSP?
>
> Chris.
>
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread Christopher Roberts 
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Mark Foley  wrote:
> Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 
> installed in the office and is the Active Directory/Domain Controller 
> server for the domain using Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and is the
Windows "terminal server-ish"
> routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations.

Why would using Slackware 64 Samba4 AD prevent you from using Ubuntu LTSP?

Chris.


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread Mark Foley 
McQuillan, Gohil, Cascadian, Robert -- thanks all for your feedback. I will try
the various suggestions you collectively made and see if I can get this done.

Thanks -- Mark

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread Mark Foley 
Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 installed in the
office and is the Active Directory/Domain Controller server for the domain using
Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and is the Windows "terminal server-ish"
routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations. 

We are looking at getting rid of the Windows workstations and going Apple or
Linux (the workstations could be Ubuntu), but we really cannot re-do the whole
AD/DC thing.

I do have a rudimentary Slackware howto on installing LTSP:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/slackware-10-and-ltsp-234286/

but this is to build from sources and I don't know where to get those.

Is that possible? If so, where can I get the LTSP sources?

THX - Mark

-Original Message-
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:59:22 +0200
> From: Mahmoud Ramadan <mahmoud.ramadan@gmail.com>
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: (+2) 01276877112
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>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Mahmoud Ramadan <
> mahmoud.ramadan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You can install LTSP using Ubuntu 12.4...it has a native support for LTSP
> > so during the boot process you can press F5 i guess and option will appear
> > asking you if you want to install Ubuntu as LTSP choose this option and you
> > get LTSP.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
> >
> > Network and VOIP Specialist.
> >
> > Mobil: (+2) 01276877112
> >
> > Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> > <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> > <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Mark Foley <mfo...@ohprs.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I would like to experiment with LTSP. Unfortunately, my distro
> >> (Slackware) is
> >> not one of those listed on your installation page and the reference to
> >> "If your
> >> favorite distribution is not listed below, you can also package it
> >> directly from
> >> the upstream sources. You can us the packaging instructions as a
> >> guideline"
> >> completely lost me. I've not used launchpad.net and have no clue what to
> >> do
> >> there.
> >>
> >> However, I do have access to a rudimentary howto from some folks who have
> >> done
> >> this on Slackware and could possibly follow those instructions. This was
> >> done on
> >> an older version and they reference the source files at
> >> http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1, which doesn't exist and it an old version
> >> anyway.
> >>
> >> Where can I get the current sources?
> >>
> >> --Mark Foley
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>   https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
> >> For additional LTSP help,   try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
> >>
> >
> >

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread James McQuillan 
Mark,

The old LTSP-4.2 source is available here:

   http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.2/

It's pretty old and unsupported.  Also, it's nothing at all like LTSP-5 so
you may not get much out of it.

As for LTSP-5 sources, it's all in Launchpad.  If you want to get it, you
will need to familiarize yourself with Launchpad.

Jim McQuillan
j...@ltsp.org

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mark Foley <mfo...@ohprs.org> wrote:

> Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 installed in
> the
> office and is the Active Directory/Domain Controller server for the domain
> using
> Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and is the Windows "terminal server-ish"
> routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations.
>
> We are looking at getting rid of the Windows workstations and going Apple
> or
> Linux (the workstations could be Ubuntu), but we really cannot re-do the
> whole
> AD/DC thing.
>
> I do have a rudimentary Slackware howto on installing LTSP:
>
>
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/slackware-10-and-ltsp-234286/
>
> but this is to build from sources and I don't know where to get those.
>
> Is that possible? If so, where can I get the LTSP sources?
>
> THX - Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:59:22 +0200
> > From: Mahmoud Ramadan <mahmoud.ramadan@gmail.com>
> > To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started
> >
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
> >
> > Network and VOIP Specialist.
> >
> > Mobil: (+2) 01276877112
> >
> > Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> > <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> > <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Mahmoud Ramadan <
> > mahmoud.ramadan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You can install LTSP using Ubuntu 12.4...it has a native support for
> LTSP
> > > so during the boot process you can press F5 i guess and option will
> appear
> > > asking you if you want to install Ubuntu as LTSP choose this option
> and you
> > > get LTSP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
> > >
> > > Network and VOIP Specialist.
> > >
> > > Mobil: (+2) 01276877112
> > >
> > > Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> > > <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> > > <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Mark Foley <mfo...@ohprs.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would like to experiment with LTSP. Unfortunately, my distro
> > >> (Slackware) is
> > >> not one of those listed on your installation page and the reference to
> > >> "If your
> > >> favorite distribution is not listed below, you can also package it
> > >> directly from
> > >> the upstream sources. You can us the packaging instructions as a
> > >> guideline"
> > >> completely lost me. I've not used launchpad.net and have no clue
> what to
> > >> do
> > >> there.
> > >>
> > >> However, I do have access to a rudimentary howto from some folks who
> have
> > >> done
> > >> this on Slackware and could possibly follow those instructions. This
> was
> > >> done on
> > >> an older version and they reference the source files at
> > >> http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1, which doesn't exist and it an old
> version
> > >> anyway.
> > >>
> > >> Where can I get the current sources?
> > >>
> > >> --Mark Foley
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> --
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> > >> Ltsp-discuss mailing list.   To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto:
> > >>   https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
> > >> For additional LTSP help,   try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread Jigish Gohil 
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Mark Foley  wrote:
> Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not an option.  We have Slackware 64 installed in the
> office and is the Active Directory/Domain Controller server for the domain 
> using
> Samba4.  It also does the DNS/DHCP and is the Windows "terminal server-ish"
> routing Remote Desktop Access request to the proper workstations.
>
You can use LTSP image from Ubuntu or any other distro that supports
LTSP, you'd of course have to make chages to images according to your
distro to get it working.

Here is a howto for using KIWI-LTSP on distributions other than openSUSE:
https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/wiki/Install%20on%20other%20distributions/

Package names and command to install them might be different on
slackware, other than that rest of the set up should be same.

>
> Is that possible? If so, where can I get the LTSP sources?
>
You can get sources from https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp using bzr, for example:

bzr branch lp:ltsp

Cheers

Jigish

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread Mahmoud Ramadan 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall


Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: (+2) 01276877112

Blog | Website
| LinkedIn


On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Mahmoud Ramadan <
mahmoud.ramadan@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can install LTSP using Ubuntu 12.4...it has a native support for LTSP
> so during the boot process you can press F5 i guess and option will appear
> asking you if you want to install Ubuntu as LTSP choose this option and you
> get LTSP.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: (+2) 01276877112
>
> Blog | Website
> | LinkedIn
> 
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Mark Foley  wrote:
>
>> I would like to experiment with LTSP. Unfortunately, my distro
>> (Slackware) is
>> not one of those listed on your installation page and the reference to
>> "If your
>> favorite distribution is not listed below, you can also package it
>> directly from
>> the upstream sources. You can us the packaging instructions as a
>> guideline"
>> completely lost me. I've not used launchpad.net and have no clue what to
>> do
>> there.
>>
>> However, I do have access to a rudimentary howto from some folks who have
>> done
>> this on Slackware and could possibly follow those instructions. This was
>> done on
>> an older version and they reference the source files at
>> http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1, which doesn't exist and it an old version
>> anyway.
>>
>> Where can I get the current sources?
>>
>> --Mark Foley
>>
>>
>> --
>> _
>> Ltsp-discuss mailing list.   To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto:
>>   https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
>> For additional LTSP help,   try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
>>
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting Started

2015-09-28 Thread Mahmoud Ramadan 
You can install LTSP using Ubuntu 12.4...it has a native support for LTSP
so during the boot process you can press F5 i guess and option will appear
asking you if you want to install Ubuntu as LTSP choose this option and you
get LTSP.


Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: (+2) 01276877112

Blog | Website
| LinkedIn


On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Mark Foley  wrote:

> I would like to experiment with LTSP. Unfortunately, my distro (Slackware)
> is
> not one of those listed on your installation page and the reference to "If
> your
> favorite distribution is not listed below, you can also package it
> directly from
> the upstream sources. You can us the packaging instructions as a guideline"
> completely lost me. I've not used launchpad.net and have no clue what to
> do
> there.
>
> However, I do have access to a rudimentary howto from some folks who have
> done
> this on Slackware and could possibly follow those instructions. This was
> done on
> an older version and they reference the source files at
> http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1, which doesn't exist and it an old version
> anyway.
>
> Where can I get the current sources?
>
> --Mark Foley
>
>
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RE: [Ltsp-discuss] getting started

2003-03-04 Thread wouter . debacker 
John,

I would go for an installation choice that includes a basic X Window
environment. Verify though that tftp and a DHCP daemon get installed
too. After that I would let the dependencies of the LTSP RPMs tell me
which package are missing.

Success,

Wouter


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] getting started

2003-03-04 Thread Josiah Ritchie 
If you're using RedHat, you might like to check with K12LTSP project for a quick and 
easy setup.  I've used this in the past and was setup in no time.

_JR

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] getting started

2003-03-04 Thread John Clay 
John:

Others will know more than I but here are my recollections:

Due to my lack of Linux knowledge I performed a server load and selected
everything (RedHat 7.2). You will definitely need:

tftp server (check LTSP Errata/Updates for a potential tftp issue) I
believe that I had to get more recent version than was included with my
distribution. I can't seem to get the version info off of my server.

dhcp server. I'm using 2.0p15-8.

In addition I'd recommend:

Getting the excellent LTSP - Linux Terminal Server Project - V3.0
document (full documentation version) off of the ltsp site and study it.
It's in the Documentation area.

I don't know what terminal you're using but I'd suggest studying John
Robertson's - ThinkNIC-Howto guide regardless.It's in the contrib area.

It seems like there were some example configuration files on the site -
worth looking for/getting them.

This should get you started in the right direction. 

BTW if you haven't decided on terminals my favorite is the Jammin125
from disklessworkstations.com. I've got one each of the J125, ThinkNIC
and Wyse 5355se (used).

J125 is smallest, has no moving parts (no fan), is noiseless (not quiet
- noiseless) and ought to last.

ThinkNIC has a fan, is 1.5x larger than J125. I've heard of power supply
problems but mine is fine. That said I'd go for fanless due to noise and
the fact that fans can fail.

I haven't been able to figure out how to configure my Wyse 5355 and so
don't know what to say. It's fanless but seems more complex, from a
config perspective, than the other two.

Good Luck
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Getting STarted ONE-OH-ONE

2002-06-16 Thread Georg Baum 

Am Samstag, 15. Juni 2002 00:00 schrieb Tom Allison:
 I have an Athlon 650 with 768M of RAM, a fastethernet network, and
 an IBM 300GL Pentium 200 desktop PC.
 I want to play with ltsp.

 I've got Debian and I'm not afraid to use it...

 But before I shoot myself:

 Of the ltsp packages. does the kernel one provide a kernel for the
 tftp served clients?

Yes.

 What exactly do I have to have working on my Server for this to
 work?  Anything that I have to do differently from a stock [woody]
 installation.

Yes, see below.

 I was told I need to have tftp running on my server for the clients
 to access.  But I'm assuming that tftp for ltsp is just another
 stock debian package for now.

Yes, you can use one of the packages tftpd, aftpd or tftpd-hpa 
(recommended). The LTSP .deb packages depend or suggest the needed packages 
like tftpd, {x,k,g}dm etc. I suggest putting

deb http://termserv.berlios.de/debian stable main non-free

in /etc/apt/sources.list and then install with apt-get.

After installation, you can do

cd /opt/ltsp/templates/
./ltsp-initialize

to set up all needed services.

 I'm pretty much in a position where I can play with just about
 anything that is out there.  I am VERY interested in findout out
 what is possible with this and want to learn how this thing works
 for myself...

 Any Newbie Kits out there?

The documentation is very good, if you have any questions after reading it, 
ask here or on the IRC channel.

Georg

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