Re: Strap Buttons
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:12, Michael Thames wrote: > I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to the pegbox. and > simply sit on the other end I use this system with my 10-course lute and (quite short) archlute - the material of the strap is leather. Works well! Leaves your hands free. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Weiss - Lorimer
Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet >the forward spells >it's Lorimar. What's up? >James I don't know the same thing happened to me, did you get a scolding from Roman yet? Michael Thames > I've known Michael Lorimer for over 25 years, he's a great >scholar and muscian. I like to think I have a sense >of humour, but I guess I'm missing the point about >misspelling the man's name. >James James Here's what Roman Wrote earlier to me maybe you over looked it. This is what so humorus. >>> FYI. his name is LorimEr. >>>RT Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Weiss - Lorimer In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:00:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet >the forward spells >it's Lorimar. What's up? >James I don't know the same thing happened to me, did you get a scolding from Roman yet? Michael Thames I've known Michael Lorimer for over 25 years, he's a great scholar and muscian. I like to think I have a sense of humour, but I guess I'm missing the point about misspelling the man's name. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strap Buttons
Modest person that I am, I only managed to send this to one person the first time rather than the whole list: I think one of the chief advantages of a strap is the ability to play while standing or sitting on almost any seat with the same consistent posture - no need to cross legs or hunch over the instrument. Wide fabric ribbons or bands work well. You can put a series of button holes in the ends to allow adjustment as your girth increases (by the addition of sweaters in colder months, of course). Bob Purrenhage Dr. Marion Ceruti wrote: Michael Thames wrote: >Michael, > > > > >>Regarding Williams's memorization act: how many >>instruments and tunings does he perform on on a >>regular basis? (Koyunbaba doesn't count.) >> >> > > > > > >>Chris >> >> > >Well this is really the most beautiful part of a John Williams >concert, or for that matter any concert, isn't it. His ability to perform >flawlessly from memory where everything is perfected to the T. A rare event. > From my own experience I have no problem going back and forth to different >instruments and playing from memory. I've heard others do though. > This whole idea of playing from sheet music is fine, but I believe a >total fabrication of the 20 th century lutenist's. > I keep hearing the reason for this is grounded in the fact that thesedays >everyone plays 15 different instruments. > In the past this was not a problem was it? wWere does one find a tradition >of this? >As I said before it seems that more historical methods suggest >memorization. > >Michael Thames >www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:18 PM >Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > > > > >>Michael, >> >> >> Regarding Williams's memorization act: how many >>instruments and tunings does he perform on on a >>regular basis? (Koyunbaba doesn't count.) >> >> >> >>Chris >> >> >> >> >>--- Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to >>>the pegbox. and simply >>>sit on the other end >>>Michael Thames >>>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> >>>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:19 PM >>>Subject: Re: Strap Buttons >>> >>> >>> >>> Rob, So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling >>>out of a lute. >>> >>> However, I have heard of a strap button damaging a >>>guitar >>> >>> that was checked into the airlines. It was not >>>packed correctly >>> >>> and the luggage handliers set it down hard on the >>>button end. >>> >>> The button shifted into the instrument and cracks >>>developed. >>> >>> Other than that story I have not heard any >>>disadvantages >>> >>> of a strap button, only advantages. Best, Marion -Original Message- From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:50 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Strap Buttons Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap >>>buttons? >>> >>> I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my >>>lap and am thinking a >>> >>> strap may help (or velcro!). Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>__ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> >> >> > > > > > > --
Re: Weiss - Lorimer
In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:00:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet >the forward spells >it's Lorimar. What's up? >James I don't know the same thing happened to me, did you get a scolding from Roman yet? Michael Thames I've known Michael Lorimer for over 25 years, he's a great scholar and muscian. I like to think I have a sense of humour, but I guess I'm missing the point about misspelling the man's name. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimar, yet >the forward spells >it's Lorimar. What's up? >James I don't know the same thing happened to me, did you get a scolding from Roman yet? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet the forward spells > it's Lorimar. What's up? > > James > > > > Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than > Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe > Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar > sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? > Keep us posted. > > >James > > Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, > and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. > I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss > Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a > lutenist. >Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join > the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the > baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the > core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any > suggestions by you and others would be interesting. > I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six > to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and > Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. > This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I > said, build it and they will come. > Michael Thames > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Willams Concert
Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet the forward spells it's Lorimar. What's up? James > Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. >James Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a lutenist. Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any suggestions by you and others would be interesting. I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I said, build it and they will come. Michael Thames -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strap Buttons
Michael, > Regarding Williams's memorization act: how many >instruments and tunings does he perform on on a >regular basis? (Koyunbaba doesn't count.) >Chris Well this is really the most beautiful part of a John Williams concert, or for that matter any concert, isn't it. His ability to perform flawlessly from memory where everything is perfected to the T. A rare event. From my own experience I have no problem going back and forth to different instruments and playing from memory. I've heard others do though. This whole idea of playing from sheet music is fine, but I believe a total fabrication of the 20 th century lutenist's. I keep hearing the reason for this is grounded in the fact that thesedays everyone plays 15 different instruments. In the past this was not a problem was it? wWere does one find a tradition of this? As I said before it seems that more historical methods suggest memorization. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > Michael, > > > Regarding Williams's memorization act: how many > instruments and tunings does he perform on on a > regular basis? (Koyunbaba doesn't count.) > > > > Chris > > > > > --- Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to > > the pegbox. and simply > > sit on the other end > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:19 PM > > Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling > > out of a lute. > > > However, I have heard of a strap button damaging a > > guitar > > > that was checked into the airlines. It was not > > packed correctly > > > and the luggage handliers set it down hard on the > > button end. > > > The button shifted into the instrument and cracks > > developed. > > > Other than that story I have not heard any > > disadvantages > > > of a strap button, only advantages. > > > > > > Best, > > > Marion > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:50 PM > > > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > > Subject: Strap Buttons > > > > > > Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap > > buttons? > > > > > > I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my > > lap and am thinking a > > > strap may help (or velcro!). > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >
RE: Willams Concert
FYI, "Lorimar" is the name of the TV studio that produced Dallas, The Waltons, Sybil, Helter Skelter, who knows what else. You could make an argument that a complete Weiss edition for guitar bears a relation to Sybil, but that's a whole other kettle of fish. -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Willams Concert > Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. >James Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a lutenist. Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any suggestions by you and others would be interesting. I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I said, build it and they will come. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings? >Best regards, >Marion I believe 6, but probably with the octave indications I would imagine. I'm looking forward to any additional info. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > Michael, > > Bravo on your idea to make a 13-string guitar. We need more of > them around. > > There are at least two luthiers in Europe who have made 13-string > guitars. I will dig up the URLs and send them to you if you don't already > have them. It certainly would make Weiss easier on the guitar. Even on > an 11-string guitar, Weiss is not quite as much fun as with 13c. > > Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings? > > Best regards, > Marion > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:32 PM > To: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Lute net > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > >I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string > >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And > >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips > >on how to fret strings with the chin. > >Alain > > Alain, I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string > guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly > realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute. >I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some > unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same > time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six > string guitar anymore. > > Build it and they will come! > > My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael > Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working > on the rest. Soon to be published. > > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > > > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string > > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And > > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips > > on how to fret strings with the chin. > > Alain > > > > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > > > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > > >>what's the big deal about this dude > > >>RT > > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > > >>Michael Thames > > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > >> > > >> > > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > > >RT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
Re: Willams Concert
> Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. >James Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a lutenist. Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any suggestions by you and others would be interesting. I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I said, build it and they will come. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Williams concert
> I agree with everything you said. Williams is a bit dry, on his recordings, > but as you've said great in concert. > Dryness can be a good thing, at times. > My guitars friends say if you want to here the un adulterated music listen > to Williams. > He also play everything a notch faster than most anyone else. The forward > momentum is great. Now we know where Barto got this from. > Michael Thames >Do you realize just how immense is the aura of daftness >you project? >RT Do you realize just how immense the aura of your E -TEMPER problem is? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strap Buttons
- Original Message - From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 4, 2005 7:38 pm Subject: Re: Strap Buttons >What about the baroque lute? It seems that actually the > weight of a > strap on a swan neck can be allot. Michel Cardin, e.g., uses a ribbon on his swan neck. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Newbie Question #2
Marion, I don't know about your guitar, but every lute I've played is about 50% lighter than any guitar I've ever played. Even with wooden pegs, the pegbox is already by far the heaviest component of the lute. The prospect of adding any more weight makes my back sore just thinking of it. It is perhaps not unrelated, but when I took violin lessons, the first thing my teacher told me to do was remove the fine tuners from my instrument, claiming that it effected the tone. My ear wasn't exactly accustomed to the minutae of violin tone at the time, (probably a good thing to spare me from the full impact of the wretched tone I managed to produce) but it did seem to me that the sound improved. Not only that, but since I didn't rely on the fine tuners as a crutch, I eventually became able to tune much faster and just as accurately. Chris --- "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Chris, > > I see no disadvantage with the very slight added > weight > My 11-string guitar has 11 metal tuning machines and > I have > no trouble holding it for long periods of time. In > any case, > you could always get a strap or a piece of silk if > it became > a problem. It is a very small price to pay for great > efficiency, > linearity in pitch vs. angle, and exactness of pitch > without a > big hassle and worry about environmental changes. > > As for bowed strings, I don't know about your > violins, > but mine have small machine tuners at the loop end > of > the strings. You can install them very easily and > coarse > tune with the pegs. To get the fine tuning, you use > the > machines. The fact that these machine tuners are > readily available is proof positive that the pegs > don't > work very well at all, especially for the short > diapasons of violins. > > If lutes had them we would not have so much trouble > tuning. However, we all are in this long-term > worship service of historical accuracy and no one > would dare modify anything on a lute if it looked > modern just to be efficient. > > It might be pointed out that the design of the lutes > that > we use today was the state of the art during the > 16th > and 17h centuries, for example. Modern luthiers have > copied, this design with no attempt to update it, > all out of > concern for historical accuracy. If the luthiers of > the 16th > and 17th century had had access to better > technology, they > would have had the practical wisdom to used it. > Modern luthiers will make anything we order. We > order > the old designs, then we pay for it in terms of time > wasted on tuning when we could be composing or > sending email messages to our lute friends all > across > the world. > > Best regards, > Marion > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 2:15 PM > To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > lute list , Caroline Usher > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > > Marion, > > > I see an advantage to pegs: weight! I can't > imaging how much the pegbox of a 13-course baroque > lute would weigh with metal tuning machines. My > ten-course was a real balancing act when I got it > without having to deal with even more uneven weight > distribution. Also, pegs seem to work pretty well > for > modern bowed strings with metal strings and high > tension (with the exception of the bass, of course). > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Vance Wood wrote: > > > > "However there is an historical accuracy not > touched > > on and that is the limits of > > expediency in addressing some of the same problems > > that seem to plague us." > > > > ++I agree with Vance on this one. > > Whether we like it or not, we are stuck with > > historical accuracy. > > This past weekend I brought my 8c ren lute from > the > > coast where > > it is cool and (relatively) damp to the desert > where > > it is hot and dry. > > It took me an hour to tune, pegs being the way > they > > are. If we > > were more interested in efficiency than were were > in > > historical > > accuracy we would be using machine tuning. I can > > tune three > > or four strings on a modern instrument to within > 1/4 > > cent accuracy > > (the limit of the gauge) in the time it takes to > > tune one string > > on a peg given a change in ambient temperature or > > humidity. > > > > I can see some advantage in movable frets, but I > > really see no > > advantage whatsoever in pegs, other than the > > historical significance. > > Historical accuracy comes with a very high > pricetag > > in terms of > > time wasted that otherwise could be used for > > practicing. > > > > Best regards, > > Marion > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:22 PM > > To: lute list , Caroline > > Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > > > > Dear Caroline: > > > >
Re: Strap Buttons
Dr. Marion Ceruti wrote: > So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling out of a lute. It happens all the time, since they're typically put in like tuning pegs, held by friction. This has nothing to do with the strength of the instrument, of course. > I see no disadvantage with the very slight added weight > My 11-string guitar has 11 metal tuning machines and I have > no trouble holding it for long periods of time. If the rest of your 11-string guitar were as light as a lute, you might have a problem with balance. > As for bowed strings, I don't know about your violins, > but mine have small machine tuners at the loop end of > the strings. Fine tuners are common on student violins. H To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
Michael, Bravo on your idea to make a 13-string guitar. We need more of them around. There are at least two luthiers in Europe who have made 13-string guitars. I will dig up the URLs and send them to you if you don't already have them. It certainly would make Weiss easier on the guitar. Even on an 11-string guitar, Weiss is not quite as much fun as with 13c. Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings? Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:32 PM To: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Lute net Subject: Re: Willams Concert >I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips >on how to fret strings with the chin. >Alain Alain, I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute. I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six string guitar anymore. Build it and they will come! My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips > on how to fret strings with the chin. > Alain > > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >>what's the big deal about this dude > >>RT > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > >>Michael Thames > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >> > >> > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > >RT > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Willams Concert
There are exceptions. I haven't listened to any recent recordings of Aranjuez, but I think Williams' performace with Eugene Ormandy & Philadelphia is truly great. -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:57 PM To: Eugene C. Braig IV; Lute net Subject: Re: Willams Concert > At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude... > > > I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I > think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost > mechanical... That's the prevailing opinion in my circle, without the modifier "almost". RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
Alain, Thanks for the web site. The eight-string guitar has become so popular now, you can buy 7th and 8th strings specially made for the instrument. I use them for the 10th and 11th strings of my 11-string guitar and they make quite a difference in sound. Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 3:02 PM To: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lute net Subject: Re: Willams Concert I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips on how to fret strings with the chin. Alain Roman Turovsky wrote: >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >>what's the big deal about this dude >>RT >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. >>Michael Thames >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> >> >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose >RT > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
FYI. his name is LorimEr. RT > My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael > Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working > on the rest. Soon to be published. > > Michael Thames To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Newbie Question #2
> If lutes had them we would not have so much trouble > tuning. However, we all are in this long-term > worship service of historical accuracy and no one > would dare modify anything on a lute if it looked > modern just to be efficient. I have a nagging feeling that this is Michael Stitt writing under a false name. Cello pins for lutes is next... RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Newbie Question #2
> I see no disadvantage with the very slight added weight > My 11-string guitar has 11 metal tuning machines and I have > no trouble holding it for long periods of time. In any case, > you could always get a strap or a piece of silk if it became > a problem. It is a very small price to pay for great efficiency, > linearity in pitch vs. angle, and exactness of pitch without a > big hassle and worry about environmental changes. > > As for bowed strings, I don't know about your violins, > but mine have small machine tuners at the loop end of > the strings. You can install them very easily and coarse > tune with the pegs. Do you have these on your vocal chords as well??? RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
I agree with everything you said. Williams is a bit dry, on his recordings, but as you've said great in concert. Dryness can be a good thing, at times. My guitars friends say if you want to here the un adulterated music listen to Williams. He also play everything a notch faster than most anyone else. The forward momentum is great. Now we know where Barto got this from. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: > >I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >what's the big deal about this dude... > > > I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I > think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost > mechanical... However, he is magical in performance. His tone from stage > is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is > logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when > playing outrageously difficult music. He makes no more effort to appeal to > the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous > member) than Gould did. That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern > world too. > > Best, > Eugene > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Strap Buttons
Michael, Yes this is true and I have seen this method work very well. Cheers, Marion -Original Message- From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 2:12 PM To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Strap Buttons I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to the pegbox. and simply sit on the other end Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > Rob, > > So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling out of a lute. > However, I have heard of a strap button damaging a guitar > that was checked into the airlines. It was not packed correctly > and the luggage handliers set it down hard on the button end. > The button shifted into the instrument and cracks developed. > Other than that story I have not heard any disadvantages > of a strap button, only advantages. > > Best, > Marion > > -Original Message- > From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:50 PM > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Strap Buttons > > Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap buttons? > > I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my lap and am thinking a > strap may help (or velcro!). > > Thanks! > Rob > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
Re: Newbie Question #2
Dear Chris, I see no disadvantage with the very slight added weight My 11-string guitar has 11 metal tuning machines and I have no trouble holding it for long periods of time. In any case, you could always get a strap or a piece of silk if it became a problem. It is a very small price to pay for great efficiency, linearity in pitch vs. angle, and exactness of pitch without a big hassle and worry about environmental changes. As for bowed strings, I don't know about your violins, but mine have small machine tuners at the loop end of the strings. You can install them very easily and coarse tune with the pegs. To get the fine tuning, you use the machines. The fact that these machine tuners are readily available is proof positive that the pegs don't work very well at all, especially for the short diapasons of violins. If lutes had them we would not have so much trouble tuning. However, we all are in this long-term worship service of historical accuracy and no one would dare modify anything on a lute if it looked modern just to be efficient. It might be pointed out that the design of the lutes that we use today was the state of the art during the 16th and 17h centuries, for example. Modern luthiers have copied, this design with no attempt to update it, all out of concern for historical accuracy. If the luthiers of the 16th and 17th century had had access to better technology, they would have had the practical wisdom to used it. Modern luthiers will make anything we order. We order the old designs, then we pay for it in terms of time wasted on tuning when we could be composing or sending email messages to our lute friends all across the world. Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 2:15 PM To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute list , Caroline Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 Marion, I see an advantage to pegs: weight! I can't imaging how much the pegbox of a 13-course baroque lute would weigh with metal tuning machines. My ten-course was a real balancing act when I got it without having to deal with even more uneven weight distribution. Also, pegs seem to work pretty well for modern bowed strings with metal strings and high tension (with the exception of the bass, of course). Chris --- "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vance Wood wrote: > > "However there is an historical accuracy not touched > on and that is the limits of > expediency in addressing some of the same problems > that seem to plague us." > > ++I agree with Vance on this one. > Whether we like it or not, we are stuck with > historical accuracy. > This past weekend I brought my 8c ren lute from the > coast where > it is cool and (relatively) damp to the desert where > it is hot and dry. > It took me an hour to tune, pegs being the way they > are. If we > were more interested in efficiency than were were in > historical > accuracy we would be using machine tuning. I can > tune three > or four strings on a modern instrument to within 1/4 > cent accuracy > (the limit of the gauge) in the time it takes to > tune one string > on a peg given a change in ambient temperature or > humidity. > > I can see some advantage in movable frets, but I > really see no > advantage whatsoever in pegs, other than the > historical significance. > Historical accuracy comes with a very high pricetag > in terms of > time wasted that otherwise could be used for > practicing. > > Best regards, > Marion > > > -Original Message- > From: Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:22 PM > To: lute list , Caroline > Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > > Dear Caroline: > > In the context this was written--Yes. When it > comes to understanding > the instrument, the music and the > player/authors--No. In answered to > the question we? If that means you wish to exclude > yourself from that > painting with a broad brush I would like to hear > your thoughts. If you mean > that I am caught up in historical accuracy, which > incidentally is not so > because I cannot afford it, and should have not used > the word "We" I stand > corrected. However from the way things tend to go > on this list it would > seem that most are very much centered on historical > accuracy. However there > is an historical accuracy not touched on and that is > the limits of > expediency in addressing some of the same problems > that seem to plague us. > - Original Message - > From: "Caroline Usher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "lute list" > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > > > > At 11:29 AM 4/3/2005, Vance Wood wrote: > > >I think sometimes we get too caught up in the > historical accuracy of what > it > > >is we do. > > > > What you mean we, white man? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > Caroline > > Caroline Ushe
Re: Strap Buttons
>I use a lovely purple ribbon for my vihuelas. It is light & it >works great! >ed What about the baroque lute? It seems that actually the weight of a strap on a swan neck can be allot. I'm getting rid of my Ernie Ball, in exchange for a green silk ribbon. My friend warned me not to show at a the LSA, with my Ernie Ball. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > I use a lovely purple ribbon for my vihuelas. It is light & it works great! > > ed > > At 05:24 PM 4/4/2005 -0400, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > >At 05:12 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > > >I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to the pegbox. and simply > > >sit on the other end > > > > > >I've both heard and seen lutenists do that very thing. > > > >Eugene > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > >
Re: Willams Concert
>I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips >on how to fret strings with the chin. >Alain Alain, I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute. I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six string guitar anymore. Build it and they will come! My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips > on how to fret strings with the chin. > Alain > > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >>what's the big deal about this dude > >>RT > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > >>Michael Thames > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >> > >> > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > >RT > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose RT It's called supply and demand. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > > what's the big deal about this dude > > RT > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > RT > > -- > http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > > > > > > > > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? > >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >> what's the big deal about this dude > >> RT > >> > >> __ > >> Roman M. Turovsky > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > >>> Michael Thames > >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >>> -- > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
Re: Willams Concert
> At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude... > > > I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I > think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost > mechanical... That's the prevailing opinion in my circle, without the modifier "almost". RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strap Buttons
I use a lovely purple ribbon for my vihuelas. It is light & it works great! ed At 05:24 PM 4/4/2005 -0400, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: >At 05:12 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to the pegbox. and simply > >sit on the other end > > >I've both heard and seen lutenists do that very thing. > >Eugene > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
Re: Willams Concert
I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips on how to fret strings with the chin. Alain Roman Turovsky wrote: >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >>what's the big deal about this dude >>RT >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. >>Michael Thames >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> >> >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose >RT > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strap Buttons
At 05:12 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to the pegbox. and simply >sit on the other end I've both heard and seen lutenists do that very thing. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >what's the big deal about this dude... I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost mechanical... However, he is magical in performance. His tone from stage is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when playing outrageously difficult music. He makes no more effort to appeal to the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous member) than Gould did. That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern world too. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > what's the big deal about this dude > RT > He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude >> RT >> >> __ >> Roman M. Turovsky >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> >> >> >>> >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> -- >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > >
Re: Strap Buttons
Michael, Regarding Williams's memorization act: how many instruments and tunings does he perform on on a regular basis? (Koyunbaba doesn't count.) Chris --- Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to > the pegbox. and simply > sit on the other end > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > > > > Rob, > > > > So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling > out of a lute. > > However, I have heard of a strap button damaging a > guitar > > that was checked into the airlines. It was not > packed correctly > > and the luggage handliers set it down hard on the > button end. > > The button shifted into the instrument and cracks > developed. > > Other than that story I have not heard any > disadvantages > > of a strap button, only advantages. > > > > Best, > > Marion > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:50 PM > > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Subject: Strap Buttons > > > > Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap > buttons? > > > > I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my > lap and am thinking a > > strap may help (or velcro!). > > > > Thanks! > > Rob > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: Willams Concert
I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out what's the big deal about this dude RT He's a legend, kind of like the Who. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > > Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > > your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > > sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > what's the big deal about this dude > RT > > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > > > > > PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > -- > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
Re: Newbie Question #2
Marion, I see an advantage to pegs: weight! I can't imaging how much the pegbox of a 13-course baroque lute would weigh with metal tuning machines. My ten-course was a real balancing act when I got it without having to deal with even more uneven weight distribution. Also, pegs seem to work pretty well for modern bowed strings with metal strings and high tension (with the exception of the bass, of course). Chris --- "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vance Wood wrote: > > "However there is an historical accuracy not touched > on and that is the limits of > expediency in addressing some of the same problems > that seem to plague us." > > ++I agree with Vance on this one. > Whether we like it or not, we are stuck with > historical accuracy. > This past weekend I brought my 8c ren lute from the > coast where > it is cool and (relatively) damp to the desert where > it is hot and dry. > It took me an hour to tune, pegs being the way they > are. If we > were more interested in efficiency than were were in > historical > accuracy we would be using machine tuning. I can > tune three > or four strings on a modern instrument to within 1/4 > cent accuracy > (the limit of the gauge) in the time it takes to > tune one string > on a peg given a change in ambient temperature or > humidity. > > I can see some advantage in movable frets, but I > really see no > advantage whatsoever in pegs, other than the > historical significance. > Historical accuracy comes with a very high pricetag > in terms of > time wasted that otherwise could be used for > practicing. > > Best regards, > Marion > > > -Original Message- > From: Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:22 PM > To: lute list , Caroline > Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > > Dear Caroline: > > In the context this was written--Yes. When it > comes to understanding > the instrument, the music and the > player/authors--No. In answered to > the question we? If that means you wish to exclude > yourself from that > painting with a broad brush I would like to hear > your thoughts. If you mean > that I am caught up in historical accuracy, which > incidentally is not so > because I cannot afford it, and should have not used > the word "We" I stand > corrected. However from the way things tend to go > on this list it would > seem that most are very much centered on historical > accuracy. However there > is an historical accuracy not touched on and that is > the limits of > expediency in addressing some of the same problems > that seem to plague us. > - Original Message - > From: "Caroline Usher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "lute list" > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > > > > At 11:29 AM 4/3/2005, Vance Wood wrote: > > >I think sometimes we get too caught up in the > historical accuracy of what > it > > >is we do. > > > > What you mean we, white man? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > Caroline > > Caroline Usher > > DCMB Administrative Coordinator > > 613-8155, Box 91000 > > B343 LSRC > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: Strap Buttons
I heard that some people use a silk ribbon tied to the pegbox. and simply sit on the other end Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ramon Marco de Sevilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Strap Buttons > Rob, > > So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling out of a lute. > However, I have heard of a strap button damaging a guitar > that was checked into the airlines. It was not packed correctly > and the luggage handliers set it down hard on the button end. > The button shifted into the instrument and cracks developed. > Other than that story I have not heard any disadvantages > of a strap button, only advantages. > > Best, > Marion > > -Original Message- > From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:50 PM > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Strap Buttons > > Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap buttons? > > I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my lap and am thinking a > strap may help (or velcro!). > > Thanks! > Rob > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
Re: Willams Concert
> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out what's the big deal about this dude RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Willams Concert
I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Tuner Recommendations
>For anyone with a Palm device, there is a program called Musician's Tools. It has a tone-emitting tuner, a metronome, and a Circle of Fifths function. Your Palm device has to have a speaker for most of this to work, but I loaded it on my smart phone and it's handy. Not a substitute for a real tuner, but good enough in a pinch. Tim > > > Original Message >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: RE: Tuner Recommendations >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 15:40:20 +0100 > >>Rob, >>it is also worth looking at the Peterson tuners which, although more >expensive, >>have a number of features that make them useful. I keep on dropping >my Korg >>OT-12 and the case is now almost in pieces. The Peterson V-SAM II >has a rubber >>'boot' that certainly protects it if it drops on the floor. Peterson >also make >>a clamp to hold the tuner onto the music stand. The virtual strobe >tuning is a >>delight and I think my lutes are now far better tuned than before. >The >>Metronome is full-featured. It also has a function that allows the >metronome >>sound to be turned off after a certain number of beats. The VSAM II >has a >>number of pre-set temperaments and provides two extra channels for >the user to >>programme in their own offsets. The stated accuracy of the Peterson >VSAM is >>higher than 'needle' or 'LED' tuners and the Peterson website has a >number of >>articles that explains the relevance of this for practical purposes. >I have no >>connection with Peterson, BTW. I am delighted with my VSAM II. (good >for rock >>lute!) >>Charles >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 04 April 2005 03:06 >>To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>Subject: Tuner Recommendations >> >> >>What tuners have you had experience with or would you recommend? >> >>Korg, Arion, Sabine? >> >>Thanks! >>Rob >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >>
Re: Strap Buttons
Good point, Ken. The material I use for non-skid is the neoprene rubber mesh found in Home Depot that you put between hard-wood floors and rugs to keep the rugs from sliding. It works very well, it is inexpensive, and it is available in a variety of different colors. I use black but white pr tan also are available. The smaller the lute, the more you need it becase you have fewer ways to stabilize the lute. Cheers, Marion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 1:17 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Strap Buttons Even before you set a strap button into your lute (it is strong enough because there is a wooden reinforcement at that end where all the ribs come together, plus the capping strip on the outside) you might consider any number of material or cushions to help hold your lute in place and grip it: chamois cloth, leather, under-rug foam cushions, neoprene. If that doesn't work, then the strap might the best option. Kenneth -Original Message- From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:50:17 -0700 Subject: Strap Buttons Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap buttons? I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my lap and am thinking a strap may help (or velcro!). Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
Re: 'Tastini' evidence
there's documentation of their use in arabic cultures as well. try the following sites for further information: http://www.oudcafe.com/ http://www.mikeouds.com/ http://www.kairarecords.com/oudpage/Oud.htm - bill --- Martyn Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would someone kindly remind me of all the historical > evidence for ''tastini', for their actual > widespread use and examples of any iconography > depicting them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > "and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly..." - Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), "Historias de la Conquista del Mayab" by Fra Joseph of San Buenaventura. go to: http://www.charango.cl/paginas/quieninvento.htm Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Strap Buttons
Rob, So far, I have not heard of a strap button pulling out of a lute. However, I have heard of a strap button damaging a guitar that was checked into the airlines. It was not packed correctly and the luggage handliers set it down hard on the button end. The button shifted into the instrument and cracks developed. Other than that story I have not heard any disadvantages of a strap button, only advantages. Best, Marion -Original Message- From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:50 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Strap Buttons Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap buttons? I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my lap and am thinking a strap may help (or velcro!). Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strap Buttons
Even before you set a strap button into your lute (it is strong enough because there is a wooden reinforcement at that end where all the ribs come together, plus the capping strip on the outside) you might consider any number of material or cushions to help hold your lute in place and grip it: chamois cloth, leather, under-rug foam cushions, neoprene. If that doesn't work, then the strap might the best option. Kenneth -Original Message- From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:50:17 -0700 Subject: Strap Buttons Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap buttons? I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my lap and am thinking a strap may help (or velcro!). Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
Re: Newbie Question #2
Vance Wood wrote: "However there is an historical accuracy not touched on and that is the limits of expediency in addressing some of the same problems that seem to plague us." ++I agree with Vance on this one. Whether we like it or not, we are stuck with historical accuracy. This past weekend I brought my 8c ren lute from the coast where it is cool and (relatively) damp to the desert where it is hot and dry. It took me an hour to tune, pegs being the way they are. If we were more interested in efficiency than were were in historical accuracy we would be using machine tuning. I can tune three or four strings on a modern instrument to within 1/4 cent accuracy (the limit of the gauge) in the time it takes to tune one string on a peg given a change in ambient temperature or humidity. I can see some advantage in movable frets, but I really see no advantage whatsoever in pegs, other than the historical significance. Historical accuracy comes with a very high pricetag in terms of time wasted that otherwise could be used for practicing. Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 12:22 PM To: lute list , Caroline Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 Dear Caroline: In the context this was written--Yes. When it comes to understanding the instrument, the music and the player/authors--No. In answered to the question we? If that means you wish to exclude yourself from that painting with a broad brush I would like to hear your thoughts. If you mean that I am caught up in historical accuracy, which incidentally is not so because I cannot afford it, and should have not used the word "We" I stand corrected. However from the way things tend to go on this list it would seem that most are very much centered on historical accuracy. However there is an historical accuracy not touched on and that is the limits of expediency in addressing some of the same problems that seem to plague us. - Original Message - From: "Caroline Usher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute list" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > At 11:29 AM 4/3/2005, Vance Wood wrote: > >I think sometimes we get too caught up in the historical accuracy of what it > >is we do. > > What you mean we, white man? > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > Caroline > Caroline Usher > DCMB Administrative Coordinator > 613-8155, Box 91000 > B343 LSRC > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Strap Buttons
Are lutes built strongly enough to handle strap buttons? I have a hard time keeping my lute stable on my lap and am thinking a strap may help (or velcro!). Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Newbie Question #2
Dear Caroline: In the context this was written--Yes. When it comes to understanding the instrument, the music and the player/authors--No. In answered to the question we? If that means you wish to exclude yourself from that painting with a broad brush I would like to hear your thoughts. If you mean that I am caught up in historical accuracy, which incidentally is not so because I cannot afford it, and should have not used the word "We" I stand corrected. However from the way things tend to go on this list it would seem that most are very much centered on historical accuracy. However there is an historical accuracy not touched on and that is the limits of expediency in addressing some of the same problems that seem to plague us. - Original Message - From: "Caroline Usher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute list" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Newbie Question #2 > At 11:29 AM 4/3/2005, Vance Wood wrote: > >I think sometimes we get too caught up in the historical accuracy of what it > >is we do. > > What you mean we, white man? > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > Caroline > Caroline Usher > DCMB Administrative Coordinator > 613-8155, Box 91000 > B343 LSRC > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: mesmerization
>Assuming, of course, that both the estimates of lute pieces >and the >hand-me-down numbers you cited for guitar pieces are >essentially correct (or >even meaningful) which is a pair of big assumptions. You >may be comparing >two numbers pulled out of a hat. I would not be so quick >to consider the >matter settled Hand me "down numbers" "Meaningful"...What? Intabulations of pop music of medieval and renaissance times? Mr. Posner, I think you should voluntarily lock your self up, in a room with Roman, until you've learned to count to ten. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: mesmerization > Joseph Mayes wrote: > > > I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It seems that the > > lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of the guitars > > only from the 19th C. > > Assuming, of course, that both the estimates of lute pieces and the > hand-me-down numbers you cited for guitar pieces are essentially correct (or > even meaningful) which is a pair of big assumptions. You may be comparing > two numbers pulled out of a hat. I would not be so quick to consider the > matter settled. > > HP > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: mesmerization
>> All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. >> Reminds me of the >> old dictum: >> "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". >> MT >I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. >RT BTW, I'm confused was it you, or Mark Twain who said that? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Arne Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Joseph Mayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: Re: mesmerization > At 13:05 04-04-2005 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote: > >>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. > However, > >>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be > >>> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar > music. > >>> R > >> All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. > >> Reminds me of the > >> old dictum: > >> "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". > >> MT > >I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. > >RT > > > Hang you, hang you very much! > > Influentically, > > Arne. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
At 13:05 04-04-2005 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote: >>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However, >>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be >>> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music. >>> R >> All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. >> Reminds me of the >> old dictum: >> "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". >> MT >I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. >RT Hang you, hang you very much! Influentically, Arne. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tuner Recommendations
> The Sabine has a weird adhesive on the back which "Weird" is the wrong word. I should have said "high tech" instead. The adhesive works well. It leaves no residue. It looks and feels like vinyl. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tuner Recommendations
> I remember at the 2002 LSA conference sitting slightly behind and to > the side of Ronn McFarlane as he performed (it was a packed room) and > seeing red lights blinking on the back of the peg-head of his lute. > It took me a bit to figure it out, but he must have had a very > compact tuner attached to or embedded in the peg head, which I > thought was really cool. I wonder what kind it was? There is a brand "Sabine" which uses a row of 12 blinking LEDs instead of needle: fast blink red= very sharp slow blink red= sharp green = OK slow blink amber = flat fast blink amber = very flat The Sabine has a weird adhesive on the back which (they claim) does not harm finishes. I have never left mine on for more than a few minutes. I have a Sabine, and it works OK, at least as well as the Korg. It is very compact (same area as a business card, and thick as a cigarette). Some models are built with a simulated wood grain (as camoflage). The absolute best tuner (in my experience) is a strobe tuner with an actual mechanical rotating wheel, coupled with a contact mike. In its display you can see non-linear vibration, string imperfections (false overtones), overtones, etc, in real time. No wandering needles, no guessing. Unfortunately, they are expensive ($300-600), big (2/3 of a loaf of bread), and heavy (maybe 2 pounds). Peterson's "virtual strobe" (with an LCD display instead of a mechanical wheel) is crummy compared with their mechanical wheel model. I'll sell mine for 1/3 retail. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tuner Recommendations
Tim, Re: Ronn's tuner. He may have had something like the Intellitouch tuner clamped on the peg head. A quick search on eBay for 'lute tuner' in musical instruments should get you a look at it. It would surprise me if WoodWind & BrassWind didn't have some of these, too. Cheers, Steve timothy motz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I also have a Korg CA30 and have found it to be quite satisfactory and within my price range. I bought a clip-on pickup that plugs into the input jack on the tuner, which I've found to be very helpful, especially when my teacher and I are tuning up right before a lesson. The tuner no longer picks up his lute when I'm trying to tune mine. I just clip the pickup on the peg-head, although it works equally well if I just clip onto a peg key. The CA30s are cheap enough that I will probably buy a second one to keep in the case with my new lute when it's finished. I remember at the 2002 LSA conference sitting slightly behind and to the side of Ronn McFarlane as he performed (it was a packed room) and seeing red lights blinking on the back of the peg-head of his lute. It took me a bit to figure it out, but he must have had a very compact tuner attached to or embedded in the peg head, which I thought was really cool. I wonder what kind it was? Tim > > > Original Message >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: Re: Tuner Recommendations >Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:53:30 -0700 (PDT) > >>Hi Rob, >> >>I have three Korg CA 30 tuners-- one in my trumpet gig bag, one in >my horn case, and one for the lutes. I've found them less >susceptible than some of the others, (particularly, I believe, my >quick tune), to harmonic spoofing. Its range runs from C1 to C8. >It's among the smallest at about 60mm wide, 103mm long, and 15mm >thick. It will calibrate from at least A=415 to A=460 and has a >standard 1/4 inch jack in which you can plug a tuner pickup. It will >also give you a tone for an A or a Bb. Finally, it's among the least >expensive of the bunch at about USD 20 here in the States. >> >>A good source for them can be found at www.wwbw.com. That's The >Woodwind & The Brasswind, a large music store in northern Indiana. >You can search on Korg CA30 in the upper left hand corner of their >home page. You can also read reviews by folks who've bought these >tuners. Most seem to have given it a five (out of five) star rating. > >> >>Best regards, >>Steve Ramey >> >>Ramon Marco de Sevilla wrote: >>What tuners have you had experience with or would you recommend? >> >>Korg, Arion, Sabine? >> >>Thanks! >>Rob >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >>-- >> --
Re: 'Tastini' evidence
On Monday, April 04, 2005, at 12:57PM, Martyn Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Would someone kindly remind me of all the historical evidence for ''tastini', >for their actual widespread use and examples of any iconography depicting them. I can only refer to what others have said: http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/lgs/meantone.html http://www.luteshop.fsnet.co.uk/tuning.htm http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/fronimo.html Some professional players use them: http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/Heringman.html (both my teachers, Pat O'Brien and David Dolata do) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
> > Bubonic plague also had lasting influence > JM So does south Jersey moonshine, with more organic damage. RT > > > On 4/4/05 1:05 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However, the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music. R >>> All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. >>> Reminds me of the >>> old dictum: >>> "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". >>> MT >> I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. >> RT >> >> >>> >>> > >> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that >>> the >> lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the >>> guitars >> only from the 19th C. > >> This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - >>> We >> must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers Iccannestratto. However, the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA standards: it has to be called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th century guitar music. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > >
'Tastini' evidence
Would someone kindly remind me of all the historical evidence for ''tastini', for their actual widespread use and examples of any iconography depicting them. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
Bubonic plague also had lasting influence JM On 4/4/05 1:05 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However, >>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be >>> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music. >>> R >> All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. >> Reminds me of the >> old dictum: >> "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". >> MT > I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. > RT > > >> >> > I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that >> the > lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the >> guitars > only from the 19th C. > This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - >> We > must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. >>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers Iccannestratto. However, >>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA standards: it has to be >>> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th century guitar music. >>> RT >>> >>> -- >>> http://polyhymnion.org/torban >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: mesmerization
All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. > Reminds me of the > old dictum: > "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". > MT >I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. >RT About as much as some 19th century guitar music. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Joseph Mayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Re: mesmerization > >> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However, > >> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be > >> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music. > >> R > > All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. > > Reminds me of the > > old dictum: > > "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". > > MT > I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. > RT > > > > > > > >>> > I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that > > the > lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the > > guitars > only from the 19th C. > >>> > This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - > > We > must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. > >> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers Iccannestratto. However, > >> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA standards: it has to be > >> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th century guitar music. > >> RT > >> > >> -- > >> http://polyhymnion.org/torban > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
Re: mesmerization
>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However, >> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be >> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music. >> R > All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. > Reminds me of the > old dictum: > "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". > MT I'm glad to see I have some lasting influence. RT > > >>> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that > the lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the > guitars only from the 19th C. >>> This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - > We must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. >> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers Iccannestratto. However, >> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA standards: it has to be >> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th century guitar music. >> RT >> >> -- >> http://polyhymnion.org/torban >> >> > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
>I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However, >the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be >called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music. >R All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy things. Reminds me of the old dictum: "In the house of a hanged man one must never mention a rope". MT Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Joseph Mayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: mesmerization > > > >> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that the > >> lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the guitars > >> only from the 19th C. > > > >> This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - We > >> must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. > I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers Iccannestratto. However, > the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA standards: it has to be > called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th century guitar music. > RT > > -- > http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
> >> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that the >> lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the guitars >> only from the 19th C. > >> This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - We >> must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers Iccannestratto. However, the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA standards: it has to be called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th century guitar music. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Original Rags for renaissance lute!
In a message dated 4/3/2005 11:58:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget the "inequal" if you play it! Without it there is no swing... :-) Hi Arto, That sounds like fun, but regarding the inegales my understanding is Joplin wanted his Rags played straight, and "not too fast". There's even a piece from the period called "Don't Jazz Me Rag"; which of course means people were doing it. :) Joplin especially, was trying to make Ragtime respectable, and maybe he felt the jazzed eight notes smacked too much of saloon music. Musically though, the effect between the two styles is very different, and his music sounds more lyrical and beautiful without the "inegales" to my ear. I look forward to checking out your arrangement, thanks! James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
Joseph Mayes wrote: > I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It seems that the > lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of the guitars > only from the 19th C. Assuming, of course, that both the estimates of lute pieces and the hand-me-down numbers you cited for guitar pieces are essentially correct (or even meaningful) which is a pair of big assumptions. You may be comparing two numbers pulled out of a hat. I would not be so quick to consider the matter settled. HP To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tuner Recommendations - Seiko problem
How about KORG AW-1 ? http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=AW1 It's very small and can be calibrated to a wide range of pitches (410-480 Hz). - Y. Atarashi Wayne Cripps wrote: > > I recently got a Seiko tuner - SAT500 - partly because it had a 415 option. > But when I set the pitch to 415 the tuner freezes up. It works at all > other pitches. Has anyone else had this problem? > > Other than that it is a nice tuner. > > Wayne > > >>My old tuner finally broke last week, so I went to a local music store in >>my town and purchased a Seiko tuner. My choice was either the Seiko or the >>Korg. IO chose the Seiko over the Kork, because it is bigger & has a >>larger VU meter, and therefore easier to read. It is fully chromatic, and >>has all the same features that Steven has listed. >> >>Ed >> > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
Re: Newbie Question #2
At 11:29 AM 4/3/2005, Vance Wood wrote: >I think sometimes we get too caught up in the historical accuracy of what it >is we do. What you mean we, white man? ;-) Caroline Caroline Usher DCMB Administrative Coordinator 613-8155, Box 91000 B343 LSRC To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: inexpensive lutes
>Hands off!! I think that is my 10 cs which he just >finished. I'll >let people know more once I get a hold of it. I've been >waiting since >November. :) >Alan It looks yummy! Hope you enjoy it! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Alan Sumler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute net" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: inexpensive lutes > Hands off!! I think that is my 10 cs which he just finished. I'll > let people know more once I get a hold of it. I've been waiting since > November. :) > > Alan > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: sketches of spain lute
>It wasn"t your aversion to jazz that set me off. It was >your >inflamatory language. It gives the impression that you think >that anyone who >likes something you don't or vice versa is acting in bad >faith. > Roman can be insulting also, but he does it with >penache and wit. So, >it's always entertaining. Now that I know your tongue is >firmly planted in >your cheek, I'll calm down. > By the way, I visited your website. Beautiful looking >instruments. >Congratulations. If and when I'm in the market for my >next lute, I will >definitely consider getting one of yours. > Gary Gary, Good, were cool. Thanks for the kinds words about my work. Next time I'm in the Bay area, I'll look you up, bring my lovely lady, and we'll go to Yoshi's, have some Beers, and listen to some Jazz? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > Dear Michael; > > It wasn"t your aversion to jazz that set me off. It was your > inflamatory language. It gives the impression that you think that anyone who > likes something you don't or vice versa is acting in bad faith. > Roman can be insulting also, but he does it with penache and wit. So, > it's always entertaining. Now that I know your tongue is firmly planted in > your cheek, I'll calm down. > By the way, I visited your website. Beautiful looking instruments. > Congratulations. If and when I'm in the market for my next lute, I will > definitely consider getting one of yours. > > Gary > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ; "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > > > > >Dear Michael; > > > >> "...heady, pretentious, self infatuated, imaginary > >> >composerblues > >>butchery..." Do really believe this crap or are you just >trying to stir > >>up > >>that selfsame viscous substance. > > > > > Gary > > > > Now Gary, don't get mad at me just because I don't like Jazz. Besides > > Roman knows how much I like him. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 2:52 AM > > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > > > > > >> Dear Michael; > >> > >> "...heady, pretentious, self infatuated, imaginary > >> composerblues > >> butchery..." Do really believe this crap or are you just trying to stir > >> up > >> that selfsame viscous substance. > >> > >> Gary > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Roman > >> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:47 AM > >> Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > >> > >> > >> > >I am not a big jazz fan, but Strayhorn's "Daydream" is as >great a > > piece > >> > >of > >> >>music as anything classical. > >> >>And having "The Who???" in the same paragraph is >preposterous. > >> >>The only R&R entity that ever could stand up to classical >and be > >> >>judjed > >> >>(favorably) on classical terms was KingCrimson's >LIZARD. > >> >>RT > >> > > >> > I always found King Crimson to a bit "heady" and a little > >> > "pretentious". > >> > > >> > Rock musicians, with to much knowledge, can be a dangerous > >> > combination. > >> >Unless you happen to be a heady, pretentious, self infatuated, > >> > imaginary > >> > composer. In which case one would be attracted to this kind of blues > >> > butchery, and classify it as good classical music. > >> > Michael Thames > >> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >> > - Original Message - > >> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:39 AM > >> > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > >> > > >> > > >> >> > Dear Jim; > >> >> > > >> >> > I do. I need jazz. I don't need the Who. That's just me. However, I > >> >> > don't need every expression of jazz that's put out. I'm not going to > >> >> > try > >> > to > >> >> > tell you that you should need jazz or that you should need the jazz > >> >> > I > >> > like. > >> >> > There's something for everybody. I don't know why we seem to find it > >> >> > necessary to belittle each other's tastes in order to promote our > > own. > >> > The > >> >> > whole argument seems to come down to the idea that what I like is > > good > >> > and > >> >> > what I don't like is bad in some objective sense. So far no one has > >> > managed > >> >> > to articulate what objectively makes the Who good and Charlie Parker > >> >> I am not a big jazz fan, but Strayhorn's "Daydream" is as great a > >> >> piece > >> >> of > >> >> music as anything classical. > >> >>
Re: mesmerization
>There is no deeper relevance. I just keep hearing about >how the lute has a >larger rep. and the claim seems unbelievable. >I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that the >lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the guitars >only from the 19th C. >This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - We >must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much >music there is. >Best regards, >Joseph Mayes I rumor, has always been that the lute has more repertoire than any other instrument in history, I think we must now concede, to the guitar, and let Roman worry about the rest, more than a one liner I hope. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Joseph Mayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:47 AM Subject: Re: mesmerization > There is no deeper relevance. I just keep hearing about how the lute has a > larger rep. and the claim seems unbelievable. > > I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It seems that the > lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of the guitars > only from the 19th C. > > This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument or music - We > must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much music there is. > > Best regards, > > Joseph Mayes > > > On 4/2/05 4:38 PM, "Thomas Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please excuse - what is the relevance of the sheer quantity of repertoire? I > > feel that lutenists have an vast amount of music to select from - much more > > than a single player could play in his lifetime. > > > > The 19th century guitar was very popular and there is also a lot of > > repertoire. So neither guitar players nor lutenists should become bored? Or > > what is the deeper meaning of this comparision of the amount of repertoire? > > > > best wishes > > Thomas > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Tuner Recommendations - Seiko problem
I recently got a Seiko tuner - SAT500 - partly because it had a 415 option. But when I set the pitch to 415 the tuner freezes up. It works at all other pitches. Has anyone else had this problem? Other than that it is a nice tuner. Wayne > > My old tuner finally broke last week, so I went to a local music store in > my town and purchased a Seiko tuner. My choice was either the Seiko or the > Korg. IO chose the Seiko over the Kork, because it is bigger & has a > larger VU meter, and therefore easier to read. It is fully chromatic, and > has all the same features that Steven has listed. > > Ed > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
chords, scales reference book
Some list members might be interested to know that David Hahn's reference _A Collection of Scales, Chords, and Intervals for the Renaissance Lute_ is available from the von Huene Workshop. It costs $20, plus shipping. Contact information: Eric Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] von Huene Workshop, Inc. Vox (617) 277-8690 65 Boylston StreetFax (617) 277-7217 Brookline, MA 02445-7694http://www.vonhuene.com Tom To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Tuner Recommendations
Rob, it is also worth looking at the Peterson tuners which, although more expensive, have a number of features that make them useful. I keep on dropping my Korg OT-12 and the case is now almost in pieces. The Peterson V-SAM II has a rubber 'boot' that certainly protects it if it drops on the floor. Peterson also make a clamp to hold the tuner onto the music stand. The virtual strobe tuning is a delight and I think my lutes are now far better tuned than before. The Metronome is full-featured. It also has a function that allows the metronome sound to be turned off after a certain number of beats. The VSAM II has a number of pre-set temperaments and provides two extra channels for the user to programme in their own offsets. The stated accuracy of the Peterson VSAM is higher than 'needle' or 'LED' tuners and the Peterson website has a number of articles that explains the relevance of this for practical purposes. I have no connection with Peterson, BTW. I am delighted with my VSAM II. (good for rock lute!) Charles -Original Message- From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2005 03:06 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Tuner Recommendations What tuners have you had experience with or would you recommend? Korg, Arion, Sabine? Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tuner Recommendations
>I also have a Korg CA30 and have found it to be quite satisfactory and within my price range. I bought a clip-on pickup that plugs into the input jack on the tuner, which I've found to be very helpful, especially when my teacher and I are tuning up right before a lesson. The tuner no longer picks up his lute when I'm trying to tune mine. I just clip the pickup on the peg-head, although it works equally well if I just clip onto a peg key. The CA30s are cheap enough that I will probably buy a second one to keep in the case with my new lute when it's finished. I remember at the 2002 LSA conference sitting slightly behind and to the side of Ronn McFarlane as he performed (it was a packed room) and seeing red lights blinking on the back of the peg-head of his lute. It took me a bit to figure it out, but he must have had a very compact tuner attached to or embedded in the peg head, which I thought was really cool. I wonder what kind it was? Tim > > > Original Message >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: Re: Tuner Recommendations >Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:53:30 -0700 (PDT) > >>Hi Rob, >> >>I have three Korg CA 30 tuners-- one in my trumpet gig bag, one in >my horn case, and one for the lutes. I've found them less >susceptible than some of the others, (particularly, I believe, my >quick tune), to harmonic spoofing. Its range runs from C1 to C8. >It's among the smallest at about 60mm wide, 103mm long, and 15mm >thick. It will calibrate from at least A=415 to A=460 and has a >standard 1/4 inch jack in which you can plug a tuner pickup. It will >also give you a tone for an A or a Bb. Finally, it's among the least >expensive of the bunch at about USD 20 here in the States. >> >>A good source for them can be found at www.wwbw.com. That's The >Woodwind & The Brasswind, a large music store in northern Indiana. >You can search on Korg CA30 in the upper left hand corner of their >home page. You can also read reviews by folks who've bought these >tuners. Most seem to have given it a five (out of five) star rating. > >> >>Best regards, >>Steve Ramey >> >>Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>What tuners have you had experience with or would you recommend? >> >>Korg, Arion, Sabine? >> >>Thanks! >>Rob >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >>-- >>
Re: Woodworking question.
> The suggestions for stringing it seem to go beyond what you are looking for, > but they have a point. How do you know if you are in the right place. And I glued some twine onto the fingerboard. When the glue dries, I'll have hard ridges to represent courses. This is easy, cheap, sturdy, compact, and lightweight -- but of limited tactile fidelity. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Woodworking question.
> ... on a bus sounds might not be allowed ... Indeed, the bus rules say "do not play musical instruments". > than nothing and a long bus ride may be just the time to > practice left hand part. I have in mind an very nice exercise well-suited to my mock-up's wooden immovable "strings". In fact, the exercise did me so much good so quickly, that I will make bold to present it here: Do the unmusical fragment below with fingers 1 and 2 of the left hand: b c b c b c simile c b c b c b Speed is of no importance. The primary focus is moving the fingers very slowly (one transition taking 5-10 seconds), with perfect control, and in perfect coordination (eg, both fingers lift simultaneously, cross the mid-point simultaneously, and land simultaneously). Now move up one fret and repeat the exercise with fingers 2 and 3: c d c d c d simile d c d c d c Now move up one fret and repeat the exercise with fingers 3 and 4. d e d e d e simile e d e d e d To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: mesmerization
There is no deeper relevance. I just keep hearing about how the lute has a larger rep. and the claim seems unbelievable. I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It seems that the lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of the guitars only from the 19th C. This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument or music - We must leave such pronouncements to RT - Just how much music there is. Best regards, Joseph Mayes On 4/2/05 4:38 PM, "Thomas Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please excuse - what is the relevance of the sheer quantity of repertoire? I > feel that lutenists have an vast amount of music to select from - much more > than a single player could play in his lifetime. > > The 19th century guitar was very popular and there is also a lot of > repertoire. So neither guitar players nor lutenists should become bored? Or > what is the deeper meaning of this comparision of the amount of repertoire? > > best wishes > Thomas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tuner Recommendations
My old tuner finally broke last week, so I went to a local music store in my town and purchased a Seiko tuner. My choice was either the Seiko or the Korg. IO chose the Seiko over the Kork, because it is bigger & has a larger VU meter, and therefore easier to read. It is fully chromatic, and has all the same features that Steven has listed. Ed At 09:53 PM 4/3/2005 -0700, Steve Ramey wrote: >Hi Rob, > >I have three Korg CA 30 tuners-- one in my trumpet gig bag, one in my >horn case, and one for the lutes. I've found them less susceptible than >some of the others, (particularly, I believe, my quick tune), to harmonic >spoofing. Its range runs from C1 to C8. It's among the smallest at about >60mm wide, 103mm long, and 15mm thick. It will calibrate from at least >A=415 to A=460 and has a standard 1/4 inch jack in which you can plug a >tuner pickup. It will also give you a tone for an A or a Bb. Finally, >it's among the least expensive of the bunch at about USD 20 here in the >States. > >A good source for them can be found at www.wwbw.com. That's The Woodwind >& The Brasswind, a large music store in northern Indiana. You can search >on Korg CA30 in the upper left hand corner of their home page. You can >also read reviews by folks who've bought these tuners. Most seem to have >given it a five (out of five) star rating. > >Best regards, >Steve Ramey > >Ramon Marco de Sevilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What tuners have you had experience with or would you recommend? > >Korg, Arion, Sabine? > >Thanks! >Rob > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
Original Rags for renaissance lute in smaller file!
Dear all, I wrote: > The direct link to the jpg-file of my original handwrinting is > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Joplin.jpg Someone in the list commeted that the jpg-file is rather big and a gif would be better. Actually the jpg is 1286735 bytes Now there is also the gif version of 262957 bytes: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Joplin.gif Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tastini attachment
equally ingenious, Ed - good idea. i've seen fixed fingerboards on instruments with spaces scalloped out between where the frets should be - in other words, the strip of wood rises at points where the frets should be and drops below between those points. anyone familiar with this option? ... a thin piece of hard wood with fixed nut, acting as a removable tastiera; secured to the neck, top and bottom so that knots of filament or drops of glue don't shed the skin between thumb and forefinger? - bill --- Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 9:27 AM +0200 4/4/05, LGS-Europe wrote: > >What I do: > >- find a piece of insulated electricity cable of > the right tastini thickness > >(the individual wires within a telephone cable are > about right, if you can > >find the old-fashioned stiff ones) > > Ingenious. > > I'll describe what I do, just for another option. > I take a small piece of fret gut with a diameter a > little larger than > the 1st fret and rub it against sand paper so that > it is flat on the > bottom. Then I glue it with white glue behind the > first fret under > the 4th course. > > cheers, > -- > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Tastini attachment
At 9:27 AM +0200 4/4/05, LGS-Europe wrote: >What I do: >- find a piece of insulated electricity cable of the right tastini thickness >(the individual wires within a telephone cable are about right, if you can >find the old-fashioned stiff ones) Ingenious. I'll describe what I do, just for another option. I take a small piece of fret gut with a diameter a little larger than the 1st fret and rub it against sand paper so that it is flat on the bottom. Then I glue it with white glue behind the first fret under the 4th course. cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Star Wars for renaissance lute
I made some arrangements of bits of Star Wars for 6 and 8-course for a friend (and to show off during orchestra rehearsals) some time ago. Anybody interested? David * David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ * - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Original Rags for renaissance lute! > > Dear lutenists > > Nice that we are taking using lute also in "different" repertoire. Here > is my tiny contribution: > > Already in the 1980's I transcribed the "Original Rags" by Scott Joplin > to 6-course renaissance lute. I guess some guitar transcription was my > source. I cannot anymore remember what. But anyhow my tabulature > version is quite fun to play! > > The direct link to the jpg-file of my original handwrinting is > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Joplin.jpg > > Don't forget the "inequal" if you play it! Without it there is no > swing... :-) > > Arto > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: sketches of spain lute
Dear Michael; It wasn"t your aversion to jazz that set me off. It was your inflamatory language. It gives the impression that you think that anyone who likes something you don't or vice versa is acting in bad faith. Roman can be insulting also, but he does it with penache and wit. So, it's always entertaining. Now that I know your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek, I'll calm down. By the way, I visited your website. Beautiful looking instruments. Congratulations. If and when I'm in the market for my next lute, I will definitely consider getting one of yours. Gary - Original Message - From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > >Dear Michael; > >> "...heady, pretentious, self infatuated, imaginary >> >composerblues >>butchery..." Do really believe this crap or are you just >trying to stir >>up >>that selfsame viscous substance. > > > Gary > > Now Gary, don't get mad at me just because I don't like Jazz. Besides > Roman knows how much I like him. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > > >> Dear Michael; >> >> "...heady, pretentious, self infatuated, imaginary >> composerblues >> butchery..." Do really believe this crap or are you just trying to stir >> up >> that selfsame viscous substance. >> >> Gary >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Roman >> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:47 AM >> Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute >> >> >> > >I am not a big jazz fan, but Strayhorn's "Daydream" is as >great a > piece >> > >of >> >>music as anything classical. >> >>And having "The Who???" in the same paragraph is >preposterous. >> >>The only R&R entity that ever could stand up to classical >and be >> >>judjed >> >>(favorably) on classical terms was KingCrimson's >LIZARD. >> >>RT >> > >> > I always found King Crimson to a bit "heady" and a little >> > "pretentious". >> > >> > Rock musicians, with to much knowledge, can be a dangerous >> > combination. >> >Unless you happen to be a heady, pretentious, self infatuated, >> > imaginary >> > composer. In which case one would be attracted to this kind of blues >> > butchery, and classify it as good classical music. >> > Michael Thames >> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:39 AM >> > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute >> > >> > >> >> > Dear Jim; >> >> > >> >> > I do. I need jazz. I don't need the Who. That's just me. However, I >> >> > don't need every expression of jazz that's put out. I'm not going to >> >> > try >> > to >> >> > tell you that you should need jazz or that you should need the jazz >> >> > I >> > like. >> >> > There's something for everybody. I don't know why we seem to find it >> >> > necessary to belittle each other's tastes in order to promote our > own. >> > The >> >> > whole argument seems to come down to the idea that what I like is > good >> > and >> >> > what I don't like is bad in some objective sense. So far no one has >> > managed >> >> > to articulate what objectively makes the Who good and Charlie Parker >> >> I am not a big jazz fan, but Strayhorn's "Daydream" is as great a >> >> piece >> >> of >> >> music as anything classical. >> >> And having "The Who???" in the same paragraph is preposterous. >> >> The only R&R entity that ever could stand up to classical and be >> >> judjed >> >> (favorably) on classical terms was KingCrimson's LIZARD. >> >> RT >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://polyhymnion.org/torban >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >
Fw: sketches of spain lute
Anything sounds good in the company of "lovely ladies". Gary > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ; "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute > > >> Gary, >> After thinking about last night. I have to say, after chips, salsa, >> and >> guacamole, the company of some lovely ladies, and 3 or 4 margaritas, the >> jazz actually started to sound pretty good! >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> - Original Message - >> From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 2:52 AM >> Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute >> >> >>> Dear Michael; >>> >>> "...heady, pretentious, self infatuated, imaginary >>> composerblues >>> butchery..." Do really believe this crap or are you just trying to stir >>> up >>> that selfsame viscous substance. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; "Roman >>> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:47 AM >>> Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute >>> >>> >>> > >I am not a big jazz fan, but Strayhorn's "Daydream" is as >great a >> piece >>> > >of >>> >>music as anything classical. >>> >>And having "The Who???" in the same paragraph is >preposterous. >>> >>The only R&R entity that ever could stand up to classical >and be >>> >>judjed >>> >>(favorably) on classical terms was KingCrimson's >LIZARD. >>> >>RT >>> > >>> > I always found King Crimson to a bit "heady" and a little >>> > "pretentious". >>> > >>> > Rock musicians, with to much knowledge, can be a dangerous >>> > combination. >>> >Unless you happen to be a heady, pretentious, self infatuated, >>> > imaginary >>> > composer. In which case one would be attracted to this kind of blues >>> > butchery, and classify it as good classical music. >>> > Michael Thames >>> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> > - Original Message - >>> > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:39 AM >>> > Subject: Re: sketches of spain lute >>> > >>> > >>> >> > Dear Jim; >>> >> > >>> >> > I do. I need jazz. I don't need the Who. That's just me. However, I >>> >> > don't need every expression of jazz that's put out. I'm not going >>> >> > to >>> >> > try >>> > to >>> >> > tell you that you should need jazz or that you should need the jazz >>> >> > I >>> > like. >>> >> > There's something for everybody. I don't know why we seem to find >>> >> > it >>> >> > necessary to belittle each other's tastes in order to promote our >> own. >>> > The >>> >> > whole argument seems to come down to the idea that what I like is >> good >>> > and >>> >> > what I don't like is bad in some objective sense. So far no one has >>> > managed >>> >> > to articulate what objectively makes the Who good and Charlie >>> >> > Parker >>> >> I am not a big jazz fan, but Strayhorn's "Daydream" is as great a >>> >> piece >>> >> of >>> >> music as anything classical. >>> >> And having "The Who???" in the same paragraph is preposterous. >>> >> The only R&R entity that ever could stand up to classical and be >>> >> judjed >>> >> (favorably) on classical terms was KingCrimson's LIZARD. >>> >> RT >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> http://polyhymnion.org/torban >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
Re: Tastini attachment
What I do: - find a piece of insulated electricity cable of the right tastini thickness (the individual wires within a telephone cable are about right, if you can find the old-fashioned stiff ones) - remove the copper core - cut to appropriate length for tastini - insert nylon/carbon/gut string/fishing line/fret. This has to be the same thickness of the copper core just removed and thin enough not to be a buzzing bother. - tie the whole thing as a fret Now you'll have movable tastini. Actually, I put several 'one string' size tastini on my thin fret, and move them from the back of the neck to the fingerboard if needed. If not in use I slide the whole fret against the first fret, so it's not a bother. On my 8-course it works very well for many years now. On my theorbo I had to remove it when I changed the diameters of the frets, but I found on the fingerboard of my theorbo (_very_ smooth letterwood) I can glue a fret-made tastini with painters' tape. It doesn't leave sticky spots and can be removed very easily. (This week it has to be mean-tone for a recording and equal temperament, or whatever the organ is tuned in, for a concert.) A friend of mine uses little ebony wedges he puts under the fret at the desired string. I tried, but it didn't work for me. David * David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ * - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Tastini attachment > For those of you who are not "well tempered", how do most people afix > their tastini to their Ren lutes? I have been using a piece of cut > scotch tape which holds a piece of fret gut in place. Over time however > the tape begins to come loose and I start to get buzzing from the 3rd > course. Of course this just happened today and I have a rehearsal > tomorrow for 2 concerts later in the week. > > Have others found a more durable and safe solution? > > Thanks > > Danny > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
