[LUTE] Re: IO read it somewhere, it MUST be true
Looks like a spoof to me MH --- On Sun, 15/11/09, Robert Clair wrote: From: Robert Clair Subject: [LUTE] IO read it somewhere, it MUST be true To: "Lute List" Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 21:40 For a laugh (or to be appalled, as is your nature) take a look at: [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Elizabethan_Era This is the single worst Wikipedia article that I've ever seen. There is hardly a single word that is correct in the "Instruments" section. The author's main source of information on the Elizabethan era and 16th C. music seems to be a long ago, dimly remembered visit to the East Dogpatch Renaissance Faire and Corne Dogge Festival. I've seen Wikipedia pages that are marked as having been removed for inaccuracies. Does anyone know the procedure for getting an article removed? This one is beyond editing. ..Bob To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Elizabethan_Era 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
I have worked with many musicians, and I can tell in a few moments if their instrument will record well or not, and they usually are interested, but unable to change it. By the time the recording rolls around, it is too late. And the sad thing is, that after awhile we imagine the sound to be different than it is, and the recorded sound seems different. On the other hand, if you like the lute, and are totally happy with it, then all is well. Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often (there are some notable exceptions) I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and the lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? And if advice were the important factor, who advised them? I think a lot of it is fashion, mystique and so on. Otherwise there would not be so many regional differences. To be fair, I was taught that we do not choose our instruments, but that they choose us. And I believe that is true :) dt At 12:02 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote: >Choosing a musical instrument seems to me to be a tricky thing. For >years I owned two cellos. After playing one for a few months I >would switch and really like the "new" one. A few months later and >I would rediscover the things I likes about the other one. In a >way, it was a remedy for any boredom that might be creeping into my >daily practice routine - a different sound and feel to the revisited >instrument. Ultimately I sold what I actually had concluded was the >'better' instrument - those I played with thought so and it did >project better than the other - simply because the top string was >brighter than I could quite get used to. So, yes, as David says, >it's how the instrument sounds under your own ear that ends up being >the most important issue. > >Now I'm finding a similar situation with two lutes. One is a more >expensive instrument than the other; finer craftsmanship and lighter >construction, and more responsive to the slightest changes in >touch. But the other has it's own good points that make it >enjoyable to play also. Perhaps as I progress in skill and >experience, the choice will become clearer. Right now i wouldn't >want to sell either one. > >Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: IO read it somewhere, it MUST be true
Maybe it was meant for the Icky Screedia dt At 01:40 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote: >For a laugh (or to be appalled, as is your nature) take a look at: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Elizabethan_Era > >This is the single worst Wikipedia article that I've ever seen. >There is hardly a single word that is correct in the "Instruments" >section. The author's main source of information on the Elizabethan >era and 16th C. music seems to be a long ago, dimly remembered visit >to the East Dogpatch Renaissance Faire and Corne Dogge Festival. > >I've seen Wikipedia pages that are marked as having been removed for >inaccuracies. Does anyone know the procedure for getting an article >removed? This one is beyond editing. > >..Bob > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Greenwich festival - latest news
The Greenwich EM festival was evacuated yesterday due to a 'security incident' - I hope this wasn't a preemptive strike by disgruntled lute partisans. Andrew On 16 Nov 2009, at 02:25, Caroline S. Chamberlain wrote: Dear Stuart Thank you for sharing these photos. Alas, Greenwich is too far away for me to come from Coolum Beach in Queensland, Australia! Kind regards Caroline To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Greenwich festival
Dear Dana and Peter, 1/ Not all performers were from TCM. Most of them probably was paid (maybe apart from the students). 2/ There are some players around who I am sure would be very keen on playing. It could be just an instrument presentation. 3/ I am not criticizing organizers (no matter how it may sound). On the contrary I have to say that the venue was perfectly organised and there was a great atmospher there, but then I just had this feeling of pitty that we were not better represented there. It was so nice to meet David van Edwards at LS stand, so I thought it would be nice as well to meet other makers, players, funs, see what they work on, talk to them, compare instruments etc. The place is really perfect for this kind of event. The whole early music world shrank a little bit these days and during the time of recession (with financial cuts seen almost everywhere) instruments less popular suffer most I think. Jaroslaw - Original Message - From: "Peter Martin" To: "Lute list" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Greenwich festival My understanding is that the exhibition organisers' policy is, as far as possible, to use performers from Trinity College of Music, where the exhibition is hosted. This year's programme seems to bear that out. Jacob Heringman, who has played there before, is the lute professor at TCM. P 2009/11/15 <[1]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > Again agree, but why there are no lute recitals, presentations, > masterclasses at Greenwich? We know there were some in past, so why not > this year? well, who is to give the master class(s)? who will play the recital? Somene with skill and a recognizable name; perhaos none were available on those dates; perhaps the organizers took a theme that didnt encourage such activitys. Venue has to be rented and payed for, the artist expect something in the envelope, and if travel is involved that fattens the envelope and perhaps adds an expectation of accomodation; if only on some friendly livingroom floor. These are questions to put to the organizer(s), perhaps thru (for Greenwich) the LS, or from someone who has volunteered and is on the 'inside'. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
David, Do you change lutes often? You are correct, in that many professional players do so. I have hung on to most of my instruments, as there are no perfect instruments, or perfect players. Ubkess there are serious issues with a particular lute, I tend to try to coax the best out of my instrument. I suspect that after a period of time, many players hear something in another lute, or they discover a minor undesirable factor in one they have, and they move on. At 03:28 AM 11/16/2009, David Tayler wrote: >Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often (there >are some notable exceptions) >I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and the >lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. >I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? And >if advice were the important factor, who advised them? Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting
Most likely Robert Staak of the ens.Rondellus. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" To: "lute" Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting In yesterday's episode of the Amazing Race, there was a task in Estonia that involved an old "medieval" society. In the room was a lutenist playing a nice Renaissance lute with proper thumb under technique. Nice confluence of my favorite show and favorite pastime! Anyone know who he might be? DS -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Thickness of frets
My experieince with two lutes of slightly different set-up seems to indicate that fret thickness has an influence on the player's ability to play barred chords cleanly. So I wonder if you experienced players are careful in choosing a lute with a particular height of strings at the nut, and fret thicknesses to match this height? Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
I have had my six-course since 1976 and my 13 course Lundberg Baroque lute since about 1978. Original tops, and they still sound great. My original Hugh Gough 8 course, from 1973, has gone through very historic style conversions, first to 10 courses and now a small archlute. My only significant "new" purchase was my "Chambure" vihuela from Harris & Barber, 2002. "have worked with many musicians, and I can tell in a few moments if their instrument will record well or not, and they usually are interested, but unable to change it. By the time the recording rolls around, it is too late. And the sad thing is, that after awhile we imagine the sound to be different than it is, and the recorded sound seems different." David- your recording/comparison set-up sounds very exciting to me, and I would love to try it out, not because I can do anything about what instruments I own, but to evaluate the sound- separating if possible touch, technique, and stringing from the inherent & immutable qualities of the wood. In particular, diapasons for my archlute are driving me a little nuts- but the stringing on my Baroque lute sounds so fabulous to me that I'd like to hear if that is "real" or not. Please email me off-list if we can arrange a date; Thanks, Dan >David, > >Do you change lutes often? You are correct, in that many >professional players do so. > >I have hung on to most of my instruments, as there are no perfect >instruments, or perfect players. Ubkess there are serious issues >with a particular lute, I tend to try to coax the best out of my >instrument. I suspect that after a period of time, many players hear >something in another lute, or they discover a minor undesirable >factor in one they have, and they move on. > > > >At 03:28 AM 11/16/2009, David Tayler wrote: >>Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often (there >>are some notable exceptions) >>I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and the >>lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. >>I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? And > >if advice were the important factor, who advised them? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: IO read it somewhere, it MUST be true
>>For a laugh (or to be appalled, as is your nature) take a look at: >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Elizabethan_Era well, yes, it needs a bit of redaction. Wiki articles are written by committees of anonymous contributers working independently. Eventually things get sorted out. Join the club and fix what can be fixed, the citations look to me to be what one would find at a small local library. Computer topics tend to be a lot better. >>Does anyone know the procedure for getting an article >>removed? if you register as an editor you may find some contacts for that sort of thing. I would edit it to add challenges for citation on every wrong fact, but I would also attempt a rewrite. 3 stringed lute and cittern son of lute gotta go. The picture of a 'bass shalm' needs recaptioning, tenor shalm I would believe, bass would be as tall as the player. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting
I can't comment on who was on Amazing Race, but I do have the CD by Rondellus entitled Sabbatum, where they arranged Black Sabbath songs in a medieval style. Very entertaining for anyone who is a fan of both. I also have a CD of Black Sabbath tunes arranged in a Bhangra (East Indian) style, which didn't work out quite as well, although still listenable. mc - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Daniel Shoskes" ; "lute" Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting Most likely Robert Staak of the ens.Rondellus. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" To: "lute" Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting In yesterday's episode of the Amazing Race, there was a task in Estonia that involved an old "medieval" society. In the room was a lutenist playing a nice Renaissance lute with proper thumb under technique. Nice confluence of my favorite show and favorite pastime! Anyone know who he might be? DS -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting
I saw him too.A How many lute players can there be in Estonia?? A Bruno On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM, morgan cornwall <[1]mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: I can't comment on who was on Amazing Race, but I do have the CD by Rondellus entitled Sabbatum, where they arranged Black Sabbath songs in a medieval style. A Very entertaining for anyone who is a fan of both. A I also have a CD of Black Sabbath tunes arranged in a Bhangra (East Indian) style, which didn't work out quite as well, although still listenable. mc - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[2]r.turov...@verizon.net> To: "Daniel Shoskes" <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com>; "lute" <[4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting Most likely Robert Staak of the ens.Rondellus. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" <[5]kidneykut...@gmail.com> To: "lute" <[6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting A In yesterday's episode of the Amazing Race, there was a task in Estonia A that involved an old "medieval" society. In the room was a lutenist A playing a nice Renaissance lute with proper thumb under technique. Nice A confluence of my favorite show and favorite pastime! Anyone know who he A might be? A DS A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book
I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book for a while and arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were composed for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in ffeff. Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown from aside from this manuscript. The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
Ah yes, the never-ending search for the perfect instrument. All would do well to keep firmly in mind the idea that our instruments sound different to the listener out in front of us than they do to us as we play them. That is true whether we play a trumpet, french horn, recorder, guitar, lute, or whatever. For brass and woodwind players, the search includes mouthpieces, too. Yes, double reeds have their own issues and bassoonists search for the perfect bocal. The most unfortunate thing is although we can ask someone to listen to us play a particular instrument and we can ask someone to play an instrument in which we are interested, their ears/touch/technique will never match ours, so we remain without an objective way to arrive at that most subjective decision-- is this t h e instrument for me? Far as I can tell, David, with his recording set-up; and vast experience has the best way to solve this question-- at least for lutes. I, for one, really appreciate his contributions to this list. Steve __ From: David Tayler To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 4:28:02 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival I have worked with many musicians, and I can tell in a few moments if their instrument will record well or not, and they usually are interested, but unable to change it. By the time the recording rolls around, it is too late. And the sad thing is, that after awhile we imagine the sound to be different than it is, and the recorded sound seems different. On the other hand, if you like the lute, and are totally happy with it, then all is well. Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often (there are some notable exceptions) I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and the lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? And if advice were the important factor, who advised them? I think a lot of it is fashion, mystique and so on. Otherwise there would not be so many regional differences. To be fair, I was taught that we do not choose our instruments, but that they choose us. And I believe that is true :) dt At 12:02 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote: >Choosing a musical instrument seems to me to be a tricky thing. For >years I owned two cellos. After playing one for a few months I >would switch and really like the "new" one. A few months later and >I would rediscover the things I likes about the other one. In a >way, it was a remedy for any boredom that might be creeping into my >daily practice routine - a different sound and feel to the revisited >instrument. Ultimately I sold what I actually had concluded was the >'better' instrument - those I played with thought so and it did >project better than the other - simply because the top string was >brighter than I could quite get used to. So, yes, as David says, >it's how the instrument sounds under your own ear that ends up being >the most important issue. > >Now I'm finding a similar situation with two lutes. One is a more >expensive instrument than the other; finer craftsmanship and lighter >construction, and more responsive to the slightest changes in >touch. But the other has it's own good points that make it >enjoyable to play also. Perhaps as I progress in skill and >experience, the choice will become clearer. Right now i wouldn't >want to sell either one. > >Ned To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
OK, I'll bite and display my hopeless ignorance, as well. What's an ffeff lute??? Steve __ From: Richard Yates To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 3:13:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book for a while and arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were composed for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in ffeff. Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown from aside from this manuscript. The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: [1]http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
If you read german, you can go to this link: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Accords/Accords.html There is a tuning database (PDFs) for lute, lyra viol, mandore and guitar - and of course the information about the ffeff-system! Enjoy it! Andreas Am 16.11.2009 um 21:25 schrieb Steve Ramey: > OK, I'll bite and display my hopeless ignorance, as well. > What's an ffeff lute??? > Steve > __ > > From: Richard Yates > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 3:13:49 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book > I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book for a while and > arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were > composed > for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in > ffeff. > Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown from aside from > this > manuscript. > The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: > [1]http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html > To get on or off this list see list information at > [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html > 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html > Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken +41 (0)62 771 47 07 lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
I'm familar with the ms, Richard. The first piece in your collection is also in Panmure 5. I recorded it in February with the Parisian-based gamba player, Jonathan Dunford. It will be released in July, 2010. I arranged it for viol and baroque guitar. It has long been one of my favourite pieces. Nice to see it arranged for lute. Do you have a date for the Manchester ms? No-one has yet come up with a date when asked. I imagine 1640s... Cheers, Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
Richard, thank you very much! I was looking for this thing ever since I first heard, what's your first entry, on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX4qAWhgtI0 Mathias >From: Richard Yates >To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 3:13:49 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book >I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book for a while and >arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were >composed >for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in >ffeff. >Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown from aside from >this >manuscript. >The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: >[1]http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html >To get on or off this list see list information at >[2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
Before clicking on any learned replies I will guess it refers to the tuning intervals of six courses in Viel Ton: 4th, 4th, Major 3rd, 4th & 4th. Or it's a lute for playing Ffeff music. > OK, I'll bite and display my hopeless ignorance, as well. >What's an ffeff lute??? >Steve -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
how beautiful, this music! thank you! Manolo From: Richard Yates To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 3:13:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book for a while and arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were composed for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in ffeff. Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown from aside from this manuscript. The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: [1]http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
Ed brings up a very good point. If your ears have grown accustomed to one lute, and you were never crazy about it's tone to begin with, if you record it, are you going to bring out it's best game? I have played music since age 7 and can tell you that I have had loads of guitars sometimes at once, so I was always switching, and I now know I was swapping out because my ears were getting tired of the same sound all the time. AI have 1 lute, and try to coax the best sound I can out of it for obvious reasons... Maybe David can tell us on how to record our lutes, maybe cheaply, if for nothing else than to hear how we actually sound. LM AKA JH > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:44:50 -0600 > To: vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: e...@gamutstrings.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival > > David, > > Do you change lutes often? You are correct, in that many > professional players do so. > > I have hung on to most of my instruments, as there are no perfect > instruments, or perfect players. Ubkess there are serious issues > with a particular lute, I tend to try to coax the best out of my > instrument. I suspect that after a period of time, many players hear > something in another lute, or they discover a minor undesirable > factor in one they have, and they move on. > > > > At 03:28 AM 11/16/2009, David Tayler wrote: > >Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often (there > >are some notable exceptions) > >I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and the > >lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. > >I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? And > >if advice were the important factor, who advised them? > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com > voice: (218) 728-1202 > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > http://www.myspace.com/edslute > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Windows 7: It works the way you want. [1]Learn more. -- References 1. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2
[LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting
Dear Bruno, It has to be Robert Staak. He is the only lutenist in Estonia. His group is called Rondellus, which consists of Robert and his wife Maria, who sings, together with other musicians they draft in from time to time. They have made a number of recordings, and are about to produce a new CD of sacred music from mediaeval Spain. There is another early music group in Tallinn (capital of Estonia) called Hortus, which claims to be the oldest early music group in Europe. I don't know how true that is, but they have certainly been playing for a very long time. If they need a lute player, they ask Robert. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Bruno Fournier Sent: 16 November 2009 18:47 To: morgan cornwall Cc: lute; Roman Turovsky Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting I saw him too.A How many lute players can there be in Estonia?? A Bruno On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM, morgan cornwall <[1]mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: I can't comment on who was on Amazing Race, but I do have the CD by Rondellus entitled Sabbatum, where they arranged Black Sabbath songs in a medieval style. A Very entertaining for anyone who is a fan of both. A I also have a CD of Black Sabbath tunes arranged in a Bhangra (East Indian) style, which didn't work out quite as well, although still listenable. mc - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[2]r.turov...@verizon.net> To: "Daniel Shoskes" <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com>; "lute" <[4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting Most likely Robert Staak of the ens.Rondellus. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" <[5]kidneykut...@gmail.com> To: "lute" <[6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting A In yesterday's episode of the Amazing Race, there was a task in Estonia A that involved an old "medieval" society. In the room was a lutenist A playing a nice Renaissance lute with proper thumb under technique. Nice A confluence of my favorite show and favorite pastime! Anyone know who he A might be? A DS A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
Andreas Schlegel wrote: If you read german, you can go to this link: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Accords/Accords.html There is a tuning database (PDFs) for lute, lyra viol, mandore and guitar - and of course the information about the ffeff-system! Enjoy it! Andreas Am 16.11.2009 um 21:25 schrieb Steve Ramey: OK, I'll bite and display my hopeless ignorance, as well. What's an ffeff lute??? Steve __ From: Richard Yates To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 3:13:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book for a while and arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were composed for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in ffeff. Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown from aside from this manuscript. The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: [1]http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken +41 (0)62 771 47 07 lute.cor...@sunrise.ch or,of course you can use the Google toolbar and translate the page into english. It may not be perfectly translated but the meanings are clear enough! Charles
[LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting
I think Robert had 2-3 students in recent years. RT - Original Message - From: "Stewart McCoy" To: "Lute Net" Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting Dear Bruno, It has to be Robert Staak. He is the only lutenist in Estonia. His group is called Rondellus, which consists of Robert and his wife Maria, who sings, together with other musicians they draft in from time to time. They have made a number of recordings, and are about to produce a new CD of sacred music from mediaeval Spain. There is another early music group in Tallinn (capital of Estonia) called Hortus, which claims to be the oldest early music group in Europe. I don't know how true that is, but they have certainly been playing for a very long time. If they need a lute player, they ask Robert. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Bruno Fournier Sent: 16 November 2009 18:47 To: morgan cornwall Cc: lute; Roman Turovsky Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting I saw him too.A How many lute players can there be in Estonia?? A Bruno On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM, morgan cornwall <[1]mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: I can't comment on who was on Amazing Race, but I do have the CD by Rondellus entitled Sabbatum, where they arranged Black Sabbath songs in a medieval style. A Very entertaining for anyone who is a fan of both. A I also have a CD of Black Sabbath tunes arranged in a Bhangra (East Indian) style, which didn't work out quite as well, although still listenable. mc - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[2]r.turov...@verizon.net> To: "Daniel Shoskes" <[3]kidneykut...@gmail.com>; "lute" <[4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Amazing Race lute sighting Most likely Robert Staak of the ens.Rondellus. RT - Original Message - From: "Daniel Shoskes" <[5]kidneykut...@gmail.com> To: "lute" <[6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [LUTE] Amazing Race lute sighting A In yesterday's episode of the Amazing Race, there was a task in Estonia A that involved an old "medieval" society. In the room was a lutenist A playing a nice Renaissance lute with proper thumb under technique. Nice A confluence of my favorite show and favorite pastime! Anyone know who he A might be? A DS A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mcornw...@ns.sympatico.ca 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
Dr. Henry Watson, who bought it from a Charles Davis in 1909, judged it to be from about 1660. I asked the Manchester Library for any info on the provenance since very little seems to be known (see Paul Furnas' 1978 dissertation and his introduction to the facsimile). The librarian checked the manuscript and found that Dr. Watson had included Charles Davis' address inside the front cover! I looked up 1901 census records online and found he was a 53 year old bank clerk. > -Original Message- > From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:luteplay...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:40 PM > To: rich...@yatesguitar.com > Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book > > I'm familar with the ms, Richard. The first piece in your > collection is also in Panmure 5. I recorded it in February > with the Parisian-based gamba player, Jonathan Dunford. It > will be released in July, 2010. I arranged it for viol and > baroque guitar. It has long been one of my favourite pieces. > Nice to see it arranged for lute. > > Do you have a date for the Manchester ms? No-one has yet come > up with a date when asked. I imagine 1640s... > > Cheers, > > Rob MacKillop > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book
Not related to the lute that's so hard to play and sometimes referred to as "that effing" lute! It refers to the tuning. Letters are the frets (a=open, b=1, etc as in French tab) from high course to low that you stop to tune adjacent courses. Renaissance lute is ffeff. Guitar is fefff. Lyra-viol needs such a notation system because there are so many different ones (more than 60 known). See: http://www.newtunings.com/kidmid/lyraviol/tabtunings.html > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Ramey > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:26 PM > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Manchester Gamba Book > >OK, I'll bite and display my hopeless ignorance, as well. >What's an ffeff lute??? >Steve > > __ > >From: Richard Yates >To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 3:13:49 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Manchester Gamba Book >I have been burrowing through the Manchester Gamba Book > for a while and >arranged 25 of the pieces for Renaissance Lute. Although they were >composed >for lyra-viol in many different tunings, they work pretty well in >ffeff. >Some of the authors and many of the pieces are unknown > from aside from >this >manuscript. >The link to download the file (250KB) is at the top of this page: >[1]http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html >To get on or off this list see list information at >[2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- > > References > >1. http://www.yatesguitar.com/lute/lute.html >2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Kodak Zi8 was lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
I can't see anything cheaper than a $145 Zoom H2 at the moment, and I think if people used one before buying a lute I would guess that 50 percent would change their minds. Just a guess. But wait, there's more!!! And if you want HD video, there is a new Kodak (did I say Kodak?) minicam out that not only does HD video but also has a mic input. You can just run a ministereo cable from the Zoom to the Camera and you are ready to roll! [1]http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini And it fits in the palm of your hand (awww...) for $150 Not as good as a Canon HF10, but very cool and very portable. Can't believe they put a mic input on it, but you will still get better sound from the Zoom. The thing is, you can record it on both and replace the audio if you want to if you feel you have something really nice. dt Maybe David can tell us on how to record our lutes, maybe cheaply, if for nothing else than to hear how we actually sound. LM AKA JH > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:44:50 -0600 > To: vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: e...@gamutstrings.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival > > David, > > Do you change lutes often? You are correct, in that many > professional players do so. > > I have hung on to most of my instruments, as there are no perfect > instruments, or perfect players. Ubkess there are serious issues > with a particular lute, I tend to try to coax the best out of my > instrument. I suspect that after a period of time, many players hear > something in another lute, or they discover a minor undesirable > factor in one they have, and they move on. > > > > At 03:28 AM 11/16/2009, David Tayler wrote: > >Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often (there > >are some notable exceptions) > >I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and the > >lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. > >I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? And > >if advice were the important factor, who advised them? > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com > voice: (218) 728-1202 > [2]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > [3]http://www.myspace.com/edslute > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ Windows 7: It works the way you want. [5]Learn more. -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini 2. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name 3. http://www.myspace.com/edslute 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2
[LUTE] Re: Kodak Zi8 was lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
Heres what I would like to do, get 2 hours studio time, local, what Mic would be best to use? I know the Engineer hasn't recorded a Lute in his life. Any thoughts? > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:10:26 -0800 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [LUTE] Kodak Zi8 was lute tasting, was Greenwich festival > > I can't see anything cheaper than a $145 Zoom H2 at the moment, and I > think if people used one before buying a lute I would guess that 50 > percent would change their minds. Just a guess. > But wait, there's more!!! > And if you want HD video, there is a new Kodak (did I say Kodak?) > minicam out that not only does HD video but also has a mic input. You > can just run a ministereo cable from the Zoom to the Camera and you are > ready to roll! > [1]http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini > And it fits in the palm of your hand (awww...) for > $150 > Not as good as a Canon HF10, but very cool and very portable. Can't > believe they put a mic input on it, but you will still get better sound > from the Zoom. > The thing is, you can record it on both and replace the audio if you > want to if you feel you have something really nice. > dt > > Maybe David can tell us on how to record our lutes, maybe cheaply, > if for nothing else than to > hear how we actually sound. > LM AKA JH > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:44:50 -0600 > > To: vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > From: e...@gamutstrings.com > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival > > > > David, > > > > Do you change lutes often? You are correct, in that many > > professional players do so. > > > > I have hung on to most of my instruments, as there are no perfect > > instruments, or perfect players. Ubkess there are serious issues > > with a particular lute, I tend to try to coax the best out of my > > instrument. I suspect that after a period of time, many players > hear > > something in another lute, or they discover a minor undesirable > > factor in one they have, and they move on. > > > > > > > > At 03:28 AM 11/16/2009, David Tayler wrote: > > >Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often > (there > > >are some notable exceptions) > > >I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and > the > > >lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. > > >I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? > And > > >if advice were the important factor, who advised them? > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > [2]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > > [3]http://www.myspace.com/edslute > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > ___ > > Windows 7: It works the way you want. [5]Learn more. > > -- > > References > > 1. http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini > 2. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > 3. http://www.myspace.com/edslute > 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 5. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 > __ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. [1]Sign up now. -- References 1. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
[LUTE] Re: Kodak Zi8 was lute tasting, was Greenwich festival
The ones I use, in order of preference, top two tied for first, are A pair of Sennheiser MKH80 in wide cardioid or figure of eight or omni Sennheiser MKH20 Omni 20 degrees off axis Schoeps M2H 30 degrees off axis DPA 4003 with a ribbon microphone like a Coles near the bridge for a touch or warmth if needed A good studio will have not all of these but some of them, the question is, will they have a nice room to go with it, or will it be a padded cell? Ah, the padded cell. The Sennheisers are the most quiet, the Schoeps are the most musical, the DPAs have a hint of chocolate, but are the noisiest of the group. Anything made in the last ten years is crap. But you should try the zoom H2 if you are just trying out instruments, if you get it narrowed down by all means an hour of studio time. dt At 06:27 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: Heres what I would like to do, get 2 hours studio time, local, what Mic would be best to use? I know the Engineer hasn't recorded a Lute in his life. Any thoughts? > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:10:26 -0800 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [LUTE] Kodak Zi8 was lute tasting, was Greenwich festival > > I can't see anything cheaper than a $145 Zoom H2 at the moment, and I > think if people used one before buying a lute I would guess that 50 > percent would change their minds. Just a guess. > But wait, there's more!!! > And if you want HD video, there is a new Kodak (did I say Kodak?) > minicam out that not only does HD video but also has a mic input. You > can just run a ministereo cable from the Zoom to the Camera and you are > ready to roll! > [1]http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini > And it fits in the palm of your hand (awww...) for > $150 > Not as good as a Canon HF10, but very cool and very portable. Can't > believe they put a mic input on it, but you will still get better sound > from the Zoom. > The thing is, you can record it on both and replace the audio if you > want to if you feel you have something really nice. > dt > > Maybe David can tell us on how to record our lutes, maybe cheaply, > if for nothing else than to > hear how we actually sound. > LM AKA JH > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:44:50 -0600 > > To: vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > From: e...@gamutstrings.com > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute tasting, was Greenwich festival > > > > David, > > > > Do you change lutes often? You are correct, in that many > > professional players do so. > > > > I have hung on to most of my instruments, as there are no perfect > > instruments, or perfect players. Ubkess there are serious issues > > with a particular lute, I tend to try to coax the best out of my > > instrument. I suspect that after a period of time, many players > hear > > something in another lute, or they discover a minor undesirable > > factor in one they have, and they move on. > > > > > > > > At 03:28 AM 11/16/2009, David Tayler wrote: > > >Funny how so many professionals change their lutes so often > (there > > >are some notable exceptions) > > >I wonder how much of that is a recent recording experience, and > the > > >lute is changed after the recording instead of before it. > > >I mean, if the pros can't pick a winner, what chance do we have? > And > > >if advice were the important factor, who advised them? > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > [2]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > > [3]http://www.myspace.com/edslute > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > ___ > > Windows 7: It works the way you want. [5]Learn more. > > -- > > References > > 1. [1]http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini > 2. [2]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > 3. [3]http://www.myspace.com/edslute > 4. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 5. [5]http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID2 4727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 > ___ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. [6]Sign up now. -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/kodakZi8mini 2. http://www.facebook.co
