Re: MSWord(html) or OpenOffice.Org

[TechTonics]

Russell Davie wrote:

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:36:22 -0700
TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Rob Davies wrote:

Russell Davie wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:50:59 -0600
Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:14 PM, TechTonics wrote:


Bob Lounsbury wrote:

Hi,
What do you have to do to export in these formats. Neither work  
for me on 1.4.3 with XP.

Thanks,
Bob Lounsbury

I don't think they work. Export the file as .tex from LyX.
Then from the command line "htlatex foo.tex" = foo.html
which can be directly imported into Word, = foo.doc
htlatex is part of the TeX4ht package:
When I do: "htlatex foo.tex=foo.html" it returns: "Please type  
another input file name" so I type "foo.tex" and everything seems to  
work except that I get a bunch of different foo files like "foo.log,  
foo.aux, foo.idv", but no foo.html file anywhere. The TeX4ht package  
was already installed by MikTeX.


What I'm really trying to do is get a good output from LyX into Word  
(Since my advisors want a Word document to read for my thesis) with  
pictures and most formatting complete. Any suggestions would be  
greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I apologise in advance for a completely different tack, but it is the OS 
X in me.


I export my documents as PDF (ps2pdf)which is a direct copy of LyX 
document. It can then be read using a PDF reader, Acrobat is free and 
actually allows one to add notes to original document.


Cheers!


Acrobat Reader is free but the program which enables making comments
in the pdf file is Adobe Writer (Pro) which is not free. A university
probably has a license in some department or other. The supervisor(s)
would have to be satisfied with including notes, not changing the text.
Conversion from Pro pdf to Word doc is fairly terrible, but the Note
making toolbar is a quite flexible alternative.



Writing comments in pdf files is possible, according to Adobe, only if
the permission is set by the author and has to be dome using Adobe Products.

/quote 
In Adobe Reader, you can add comments only if additional usage rights

that enable commenting are added to the PDF document by Adobe Acrobat 7.0
Professional or Acrobat server products. Otherwise, commenting tools aren't 
available.
/



Russell wrote:
> > It can then be read using a PDF reader, Acrobat is free and
> > actually allows one to add notes to original document.

Adobe Reader is free, Adobe Acrobat is not, was my point.

Re: MSWord(html) or OpenOffice.Org

[TechTonics]

Rob Davies wrote:

Russell Davie wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:50:59 -0600
Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:14 PM, TechTonics wrote:


Bob Lounsbury wrote:

Hi,
What do you have to do to export in these formats. Neither work  
for me on 1.4.3 with XP.

Thanks,
Bob Lounsbury

I don't think they work. Export the file as .tex from LyX.
Then from the command line "htlatex foo.tex" = foo.html
which can be directly imported into Word, = foo.doc
htlatex is part of the TeX4ht package:
When I do: "htlatex foo.tex=foo.html" it returns: "Please type  
another input file name" so I type "foo.tex" and everything seems to  
work except that I get a bunch of different foo files like "foo.log,  
foo.aux, foo.idv", but no foo.html file anywhere. The TeX4ht package  
was already installed by MikTeX.


What I'm really trying to do is get a good output from LyX into Word  
(Since my advisors want a Word document to read for my thesis) with  
pictures and most formatting complete. Any suggestions would be  
greatly appreciated. Thanks.


I apologise in advance for a completely different tack, but it is the OS 
X in me.


I export my documents as PDF (ps2pdf)which is a direct copy of LyX 
document. It can then be read using a PDF reader, Acrobat is free and 
actually allows one to add notes to original document.


Cheers!



Acrobat Reader is free but the program which enables making comments
in the pdf file is Adobe Writer (Pro) which is not free. A university
probably has a license in some department or other. The supervisor(s)
would have to be satisfied with including notes, not changing the text.
Conversion from Pro pdf to Word doc is fairly terrible, but the Note
making toolbar is a quite flexible alternative.

"The certainty available in inductive generalization is the best of

all possible certainties!" -> László E. Szabó

Stephen

Re: MSWord(html) or OpenOffice.Org

[TechTonics]

Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:14 PM, TechTonics wrote:


Bob Lounsbury wrote:

Hi,
What do you have to do to export in these formats. Neither work for 
me on 1.4.3 with XP.

Thanks,
Bob Lounsbury


I don't think they work. Export the file as .tex from LyX.
Then from the command line "htlatex foo.tex" = foo.html
which can be directly imported into Word, = foo.doc
htlatex is part of the TeX4ht package:


When I do: "htlatex foo.tex=foo.html" it returns: "Please type another 
input file name" so I type "foo.tex" and everything seems to work except 
that I get a bunch of different foo files like "foo.log, foo.aux, 
foo.idv", but no foo.html file anywhere. The TeX4ht package was already 
installed by MikTeX.


What I'm really trying to do is get a good output from LyX into Word 
(Since my advisors want a Word document to read for my thesis) with 
pictures and most formatting complete. Any suggestions would be greatly 
appreciated. Thanks.




Did you follow the installation instructions at the website
I provided? Do you have ImageMagick installed? Do you have
your programs in Windows Path. htlatex yourfilename.tex
will output yourfilename.html which Word imports as
yourfilename.doc You will need to install htlatex properly.

-


http://facweb.arch.ohio-state.edu/pviton/support/tex4ht.html


2.1  Installation

3. You must install ImageMagick (IM) yourself. (Instructions below in 
section 6). You must also ensure that IM places itself in your PATH 
statement before the system32 folder of your Windows installation 
(because system32 contains another program called convert.exe).




As you might imagine, porting LyX (Latex) to Word has been discussed
on the LyX mailing list, often in conjunction to htlatex. The archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/
is one resource to find answers. Place the keyword, such as htlatex,
in the Find window and do a search. Below is one such result:



Re: miktex 2.5 WinLyX

Uwe Stöhr
Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:06:30 -0700

TechTonics wrote:


I have the complete download and completely installed Miktex2.5.

tex4ht.cab\texmf\miktex\bin

This path sounds like the package is installed for MiKTeX 2.4 and not 
for 2.5.


However, use MiKTeX's package manager to assure that you've installed 
the correct package "tex4ht" AND "miktex-tex4ht". If they are installed, 
update MiKTeX because just yesterday came out a bugfix release including 
a new text4ht version.


Then you should have the file htlatex.bat in ~\miktex\bin


Do you mean that htlatex works for you from either LyX or the 
command line?


I tested it from within LyX and found the bug that tex4ht doesn't 
support paths with spaces - I hate this kind of bugs more and more!.


LyX's temp directory path contains spaces.

But anyway, could you please file a bug report at MiKTeX sourceforge 
project page.


thanks and regards Uwe



The Miktex update manager can download and install this
if you don't have it. www.miktex.org



Good night and good luck,
Stephen

Re: MSWord(html) or OpenOffice.Org

[TechTonics]

Bob Lounsbury wrote:

Hi,

What do you have to do to export in these formats. Neither work for me 
on 1.4.3 with XP.


Thanks,
Bob Lounsbury



I don't think they work. Export the file as .tex from LyX.
Then from the command line "htlatex foo.tex" = foo.html
which can be directly imported into Word, = foo.doc
htlatex is part of the TeX4ht package:

http://facweb.arch.ohio-state.edu/pviton/support/tex4ht.html
The Miktex update manager can download and install this
if you don't have it. www.miktex.org

I use Word2Tex for converting from .doc to .tex and
LyX can import .tex files. Rtf conversion may work.

Conversions need to be proofread,

Stephen

Re: installation on windows behind proxy

[TechTonics]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear list,
I need some help.

I am have installed LyX in an W2K PC with "LyXWinInstaller".
Since I am behind the company's proxy I need to manually install the Aspell 
dictionaries and some miktex-packages.

How do I do that?
Where do I put the aspell dics?
How do I get koma-script, pdf, beamer integrated into my installation?


BTW, some thoughts on the installer: There are documents included which use 
koma-script. But Koma-Script is not included in MikTeX. The complete Installer 
shouldn't have the need to install hings from the net.

I will appreciate any help.

Thanks and have a nice evening,
Tim Michelsen


In the good olden days, users installed the helper apps
before installing LyX, and then LyX would recognize them.

You can download the helper apps at home and burn them
onto a cd, and pre-install them before re-installing LyX,
bypassing the firewall.

However, if you don't have admin privileges as well, some
of the programs will be installed with limitations.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: Using aspell 0.6 with lyx 1.4.2 and other applications on windows xp

[TechTonics]

David Halpern wrote:

Hi,
I have installed Lyx 1.4.2 on my pc running windows xp. During the
installation process aspell 0.6 was also installed because I didn't have 
it.

How can I use aspell outside lyx? I cannot find the executable anywhere on
my pc but aspell works within lyx. I would like to be able to use aspell in
xemacs and also from the command line. How can I do this without installing
the stand-alone aspell? If I do install the latter will it conflict with 
the

one that gets installed by lyx 1.4.2 setup program?
Any helps in these matters would be greatly appreciated.

David Halpern



http://wiki.lyx.org/uploads/Windows/LyX137/lyx-1.3.7_win32_setup_v3.exe

This version of LyX1.3.7 works with new the newer aspell.exe
and the dictionary that matches with it. Older versions of
LyX1.3.7 use the older aspell_install.exe (0.53) and the
dictionary in your language that matches with the older version
of aspell. http://aspell.net/win32/

I think I haven't seen an official standalone release of Aspell .064
and I'm not quite sure what comes with http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Aspell6

Anyway, for other applications, I think you may need the earlier
Aspell 0.53 and its dictionary in your language. No conflict.





-

http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX137#changelog_18jan06
17 March 2006 Changelog mentioning Aspell

* Fixed many of the irritating little problems to do with 
"lyxrc.defaults", "path_prefix" and the Windows Installer.

* Update to the latest and greatest version of the Q../Free library.
* Update to the latest and greatest version of the Aspell spell 
checker library. Grab installers for this library from LyX's Aspell on 
Windows page.

Re: Using aspell 0.6 with lyx 1.4.2 and other applications on windows xp

[TechTonics]

David Halpern wrote:

Hi,
I have installed Lyx 1.4.2 on my pc running windows xp. During the
installation process aspell 0.6 was also installed because I didn't have 
it.

How can I use aspell outside lyx? I cannot find the executable anywhere on
my pc but aspell works within lyx. I would like to be able to use aspell in
xemacs and also from the command line. How can I do this without installing
the stand-alone aspell? If I do install the latter will it conflict with 
the

one that gets installed by lyx 1.4.2 setup program?
Any helps in these matters would be greatly appreciated.

David Halpern



From the command line in C:\aspell, try typing
"aspell -c misspelledwords.txt" with the .txt file in C:\aspell
Here is a sample misspelledwords.txt file (cursor at beginning)

theils will have3 to do3es theml fou4r you

Later versions of the LyX will not find the first
instance of a misspelled word or numerals in words.

Import text as lines into LyX which will convert it to *.lyx
Spellcheck it and see if it detects theils as misspelled.

Both LyX137 and LyX142 can coexist and I have the earlier
version of standalone Aspell(.053)and its special dictionary
installed, and they all work without conflict.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:25 -0700
From: TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: HTML export

[...]
This is now working better, the pngs are generated in the right 
directory, but not included in the output html file. I had to

remove originaldir from originaldir,needaux in additional flags.
Otherwise for Windows, the output file was myfile.htm
rather than the expected myfile.html
and LyX would say it couldn't find the file.
Removing originaldir, creates the looked for myfile.html. The file is 
created in either case, but with originaldir the filename is wrong.


Try to remove also needaux (I had to do it on Solaris to make View->HTML work).
Is it better ?



No, not on Windows, I had tried that, but thanks for the advice.
I haven't tried it on Cygwin yet which is closer to Solaris.
Also you probably use latex2html?

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
From: Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HTML export
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:07:00 + (UTC)

TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I'm surprised Html view works for you for Cygwin because I
think (thought) it was LyX not the Cygwin or Win configuration.

The problem is that LyX calls htlatex with a full path and does not
change the current dir to the dir containing the file to be converted.


Is't for that need that originaldir flag is added in the preference template ?
This seems broken on Solaris, and possibly on Windows (check in this thread).

Thanks for the scripts anyway, but the question about extra flags remains.



This is now working better, the pngs are generated in the right 
directory, but not included in the output html file. I had to

remove originaldir from originaldir,needaux in additional flags.
Otherwise for Windows, the output file was myfile.htm
rather than the expected myfile.html
and LyX would say it couldn't find the file.
Removing originaldir, creates the looked for myfile.html. The file is 
created in either case, but with originaldir the filename is wrong.


Regards,
Stephen

Re: Trouble again with instant preview...

[TechTonics]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
Does anyone know if the file 0lyxpreview.tex is a standard file in either lyx 
or texmf packages?  Apparently, the reason why Instant Preview did not work 
was because it didn't find this file to process.




C:\lyx142\lyxtemp\lyx_tmpdir1252a01476\lyx_tmpbuf0

08/31/2006  01:22 PM73 0lyxpreview.aux
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 2,668 0lyxpreview.dvi
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 6,876 0lyxpreview.log
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   120 0lyxpreview.metrics

08/31/2006  01:22 PM 2,225 0lyxpreview.tex

08/31/2006  01:22 PM 7,420 0lyxpreview2.png
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   187 0lyxpreview3.png
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   222 0lyxpreview4.png
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   181 0lyxpreview5.png
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   199 0lyxpreview6.png
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   670 demoarticle.4ct
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   662 demoarticle.4tc
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   718 demoarticle.aux
08/31/2006  01:23 PM 5,211 demoarticle.css
08/31/2006  01:22 PM19,920 demoarticle.dvi
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 7,790 demoarticle.html
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 2,992 demoarticle.idv
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 7,276 demoarticle.lg
08/31/2006  01:22 PM18,881 demoarticle.log
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 4,058 demoarticle.tex
08/31/2006  01:22 PM 1,773 demoarticle.tex.dep
08/31/2006  01:23 PM16 demoarticle.tmp
08/31/2006  01:22 PM   444 demoarticle.xref
08/31/2006  01:23 PM12,087 zzdemoarticle.ps

---

This, 0lyxpreview.tex, is a result of importing demoarticle.tex
->demoarticle.lyx->View HTML. This is somewhat related to your
problem. The file will exist in your .../lyx_tmpdir/lyx_tmpbuf0
and gets erased if you close the lyx document. I don't know if
Enrico's script for Cygwin will help you; thread: "HTML export"

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Enrico Forestieri wrote:

TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I'm surprised Html view works for you for Cygwin because I
think (thought) it was LyX not the Cygwin or Win configuration.


The problem is that LyX calls htlatex with a full path and does not
change the current dir to the dir containing the file to be converted.
Please find below two scripts "htlatex" and "htlatex.bat". The first
one is for Cygwin and you can put it in /usr/local/bin. The second
(less refined ;-)) one is for a native LyX and should be put somewhere
in the PATH ahead of the miktex bin dir (/latextools is a good
choice). You should now have no problems with View->Html ;-)



I did as you suggested. Both scripts work to some extent.
The big improvement is that the .png files which are needed
to display equations inside the html doc are now generated.
They are also correctly generated compared to the manual method.
But the output html file looks more "normal" than htlatex.

Those pngs are not integrated into the final html file output.
For splash.lyx->splash.html it means the small footnote at the
bottom of the splash page is a separate html file. IOW, there are
two html files created. In Windows, it is necessary to delete the
"originaldir" found in Additional Flags = originaldir,needaux

Cygwin seems to work the same, now makes the good pngs, but the
output html file is bereft of their images.

The soup is missing an ingredient,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:32:50 -0700
From: TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: HTML export

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

[...]

On native Windows, View -> Html, creates myfile.htm and LyX gives
an error message because it it looking for myfile.html.
Formatting is lost. No images are included. (htlatex does run)
This is if your lyx temp dir is in a directory without spaces.

Cygwin doesn't run htlatex. If you run htlatex manually, it
produces myfile.htm which has to be renamed to myfile.html.


?? I get myfile.html here.
I guess that htlatex called from LyX fails because it works with full pathnames,
so zzmyfile.ps is now zzC:myfile.ps. maybe there are other flaws.


Formatting is lost but it will include/display one of many .png images.

IOW, View->Html, is close to completely broken on the Windows platform.


If what I say is true (basically, the lg file cannot run), it's a htlatex
problem rather than a lyx problem. 
I use htlatex coming with proTeXt, may be it has improved since the packaging (nov. 2005) ?




One thing I tried is removing: originaldir,needaux under
Additional flags for the htlatex converter.

That fixed the problem of the html file appearing unformatted/no EOL,
and I no longer got that error message about the filename not ending
with .html (because it was created as .htm).

But still none of the .pngs are created for inclusion (the equations)
into the html output file. htlatex from the command line produces
quite a few .pngs representing the equations for the output .html.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Enrico Forestieri wrote:

TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Usually, running a tool from the command line and seeing
if it works properly is how to tell if it is the the tool
or LyX. For instance one tests Aspell with Aspell -c badwords.txt
and if it works from the command line but not from LyX, it is
LyX, or Lyx's configuration where the problem resides. Nor does
Cygwin produce the right output from LyX and Cygwin is fully
as capable as Linux in other areas, as far as I know.


This is because the htlatex you are using is a native application expecting
native style paths. Try adding the line
export LYX_WINPATHS=yes
to the file /etc/lyxprofile and you will see that View->Html works (doesn't
work) on Cygwin exactly as it does for a native LyX.



Hello Enrico,

I'm pleased to hear from you. Indeed, adding "export LYX_WINPATHS=yes"
produces nearly the same failure on CygLyX as native WinLyX.

The output file is truncated from myfile.html to myfile.htm which
generated an error message because the viewer is looking for myfile.html

CygLyx does not generate the .pngs for equations that htlatex generates
from the command line. It does get some Greek letters correct. But the
exponent (superscript?) is on the same level as the other letters. Also
what I referred to as 'unformatted' appears upon closer inspection to be
the end-of-line is not respected at it is when htlatex from the command
line is executed in Dos, which does produce myfile.html.

My machine was attacked by a trojan. I had to create another identity.
Cygwin doesn't work for the new identity. "Windows cannot access the
specified devive, path or file. You may not have the appropriate
permissions to access the item."

So I completey shared the Cygwin directory and subdirectories and
also C:\home. I ran a couple of commands which created .bashrc
.inputrc and .bash_profile for Tech, the new identity. It will
not work and I have to change users to my original identity (the
trojan finally gave up the ghost). But it is a hassle to have
to switch users to use Cygwin which does work on the original
identity. Your new Cygwin Lyx1.4.2 was very easy to update.
I couldn't find simple instruction to make "Tech" an admin.
I may not have installed Cygwin for all users, I don't remember.

I'm surprised Html view works for you for Cygwin because I
think (thought) it was LyX not the Cygwin or Win configuration.

As a side note. I spoke to Lalu who got his Phd. in computer
technology. He said the Texas Instruments 89 calculator had
a design 20 years ahead (symbolic) of the TI86 design.

Best regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:32:50 -0700
From: TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jean-Pierre Chretien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: HTML export

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

[...]

On native Windows, View -> Html, creates myfile.htm and LyX gives
an error message because it it looking for myfile.html.
Formatting is lost. No images are included. (htlatex does run)
This is if your lyx temp dir is in a directory without spaces.

Cygwin doesn't run htlatex. If you run htlatex manually, it
produces myfile.htm which has to be renamed to myfile.html.


?? I get myfile.html here.
I guess that htlatex called from LyX fails because it works with full pathnames,
so zzmyfile.ps is now zzC:myfile.ps. maybe there are other flaws.


Formatting is lost but it will include/display one of many .png images.

IOW, View->Html, is close to completely broken on the Windows platform.


If what I say is true (basically, the lg file cannot run), it's a htlatex
problem rather than a lyx problem. 
I use htlatex coming with proTeXt, may be it has improved since the packaging (nov. 2005) ?




Well, under Miktex2.4 or Miktex2.5(just released) htlatex
works correctly from the command line. I think the htlatex
package was updated in 2006. The files are larger and also
correctly named myfile.html when done from the command line.
This is the same experience that Miki Dovrat reported. The
footnote for splash.lyx is created in another html file is the
only problem I notice from file creation from the command line.

Using View->Html with LyX, the output file is misnamed, htm,
the .lg file is much smaller and the .htm is also small in
comparison and unformatted.

Usually, running a tool from the command line and seeing
if it works properly is how to tell if it is the the tool
or LyX. For instance one tests Aspell with Aspell -c badwords.txt
and if it works from the command line but not from LyX, it is
LyX, or Lyx's configuration where the problem resides. Nor does
Cygwin produce the right output from LyX and Cygwin is fully
as capable as Linux in other areas, as far as I know.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:53:06 -0700
From: TechTonics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Miki Dovrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: HTML export

Miki Dovrat wrote:

Hi,

Do the features view/export HTML work in lyx 1.4.2?

They don't work on my lyx 1.4.2 Windows XP with MikTex 2.5 even though 
htlatex is installed and works via command line.


In html view, I get an error saying lyx can't find the file 
c:\tmp\lyxtmpdir..\lyx_tmpbuf0\myfile.html


Same message on lyx-1.4.2 Solaris, but the file seems to be moved in
the directory of the document, where I find also all the ancillary files
created by htlatex, e.g for file /tmp/fr_exemple_lyxifie.lyx
-> ls /tmp/fr_exemple_lyxifie*
/tmp/fr_exemple_lyxifie.4ct
/tmp/fr_exemple_lyxifie.4tc 
...


In addition, if fr_example_lyxifie.html does exist already, there is no 
overwrite warning,
as export is called by View and not Export.

I guessed the originaldir extra flag in Preferences->Converter->Latex(plain) to 
HTML could
had something to do with this behavior: it is added for htlatex to deal 
correctly
with eps files (fr_exemple_lyxifie has none). If I suppress it, 
the html file is opened by the viewer, but is still created in document dir
(without overwrite warning either). 


IMHO, View->HTML should view in temp file to leave all these ancillary files 
out of the way,
which is the case when I leave the extra flags field empty by removing needaux.

I understand from lyxrc.example that in this case export will fail if there are 
graphic files:
is this still the case ? It seems to work all right on a simple example here.

So the question is: are these flags still needed ? Is there someting wrong with 
them anyway ?



On native Windows, View -> Html, creates myfile.htm and LyX gives
an error message because it it looking for myfile.html.
Formatting is lost. No images are included. (htlatex does run)
This is if your lyx temp dir is in a directory without spaces.

Cygwin doesn't run htlatex. If you run htlatex manually, it
produces myfile.htm which has to be renamed to myfile.html.
Formatting is lost but it will include/display one of many .png images.

IOW, View->Html, is close to completely broken on the Windows platform.

mot juste,
Stephen

Re: export to openoffice?

[TechTonics]

Neal Becker wrote:

I tried export to openoffice.  I have oolatex installed, but it AFAICT,
selecting 'export to openoffice' produced no output, nor any messages. 
This is lyx-1.4.2.





I think it is broken, on Windows anyway.
You will have better luck with Windows or Linux
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/LyX2OpenOffice
I'm not sure it works on Macs yet.

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Miki Dovrat wrote:

Hi,

Do the features view/export HTML work in lyx 1.4.2?

They don't work on my lyx 1.4.2 Windows XP with MikTex 2.5 even though 
htlatex is installed and works via command line.


In html view, I get an error saying lyx can't find the file 
c:\tmp\lyxtmpdir..\lyx_tmpbuf0\myfile.html


In html export, I see that a dvi is generated in the directory but no html.

If I take an exported latex file and use htlatex in a command line window 
everything works.


So, does anyone know what is wrong? Using a command line is fine by me, 
however a little tedious.


Thanks 





The basic structure of the html file is created, the problem
is that the file is named foo.htm rather than foo.html which
is the filename Lyx looks for. If you navigate to that tmp
folder and rename foo.htm to foo.html and run View->Html
again, then it will display because it finds the right filename.

The wrong filename is not the major problem. This process does
not work like running htlatex foo(.tex) from the command line
which does incorporate image files generated (.pngs default).

I don't think the generated image filenames are correct. I
think this is similar to bug #2299 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2299


Georg wrote: I also know the cause: dvipdfm needs .bb files for  all 
graphics. LyX simply does not know that and does not copy these files

to  the temporary directory where latex and dvipdfm are run.

Changing the filename output from .htm to .html is minor.
I don't know if the fix Georg made for bug #2299 will fix
this problem although they seem related. Even on a file with
no equations like splash.lyx, the conversion to filename htm
which should be splash.html loses its formatting that is maintained
if you run htlatex from the command line, meaning if you navigate
to the tmp_buf* folder and type htlatex splash.tex, then use
View->Html from LyX, it looks pretty good, but not from how Lyx
invokes htlatex from the View command normally = bad splash.html

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Miki Dovrat wrote:

Hi,

Do the features view/export HTML work in lyx 1.4.2?

They don't work on my lyx 1.4.2 Windows XP with MikTex 2.5 even though 
htlatex is installed and works via command line.


In html view, I get an error saying lyx can't find the file 
c:\tmp\lyxtmpdir..\lyx_tmpbuf0\myfile.html


In html export, I see that a dvi is generated in the directory but no html.

If I take an exported latex file and use htlatex in a command line window 
everything works.


So, does anyone know what is wrong? Using a command line is fine by me, 
however a little tedious.


Thanks 



No, it doesn't work. It helps if you change your LyX temp and work 
directories found under Tools -> Preferences to a path without spaces

such as C:\Lyx142\worklyx or C:\LyX142\templyx. Then the conversion
progresses longer. Maybe it will be fixed in LyX143.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: HTML export

[TechTonics]

Pupeno wrote:

Hello,
Is there some way to generate a better HTML file out of a LyX file. Currently 
the export generates very old HTML, I need XHTML. Furthermore I'd like 
LyX-code sections to be , not , etc.
Is that possible ? I did some searches and I couldn't find anything. I've 
check the options of latex2html and the best I did was break the capability 
to export HTML for a while.

Thank you.


The tex4ht package uses htlatex or xhlatex to produce html output.
A proper environment seems to produce good results, see attached.

http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn3.html

XHTML and Unicode
The ‘xhlatex’ command is a variant of the ‘htlatex’ command requesting 
XHTML output. It consists just of a call to ‘htlatex’ with the entry 
‘xhtml’ in the first list of options and ‘-cvalidate’ in the third list. 
For instance, ‘xhlatex filename’ or ‘htlatex filename "xhtml"’.


To request a Unicode representation of symbols, the first list of options 
should include the ‘uni-html4’ entry, and the second list should include 
the ‘-cunihtf’ entry preceded by space. For instance, ‘xhlatex filename 
"xhtml,uni-html4" " -cunihtf"’.


Unicode representations of symbols in UTF-8 encoding may be requested 
with the entry ‘-utf8’ added to the second list. For instance, ‘xhlatex 
filename "xhtml,uni-html4" " -cunihtf -utf8"’.


XHTML with MathML

Regards,
Stephen

Re: Error converting to loadable format

[TechTonics]

Wan Kuang wrote:

I recently upgraded to Lyx 1.4.2 and noticed that all EPS figures won't
load. The error message says

convert: unable to open image `eps:/Users/max/Desktop/TWI_Sensor.eps':
No such file or directory.
convert: missing an image filename
`ppm:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir5678NZIGui/TWI_Sensor5678sgWtgy.ppm'.
/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts/convertDefault.sh ERROR
Execution of "convert" failed.

Any idea? Thanks.

Wan



eps is a natural format for dvipdfm so with the document open
in LyX did you try View -> Dvipdfm? That should work on any
well-formed .eps file, but dvipdfm doesn't do other formats.

pdflatex naturally does other formats than .eps and "convert"
from Imagemagick is called when pdflatex is chosen as your
viewing mode when there is an included .eps image in the .lyx
file needing conversion. I think you chose to view with pdflatex.

So I suggest seeing if all the .eps images load using dvipdfm.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-users&r=1&w=2 is the best
mailing list archive to search for solutions. Probably one
can convert the recalcitrant eps file to .pdf with ps2pdf and
then pdflatex should work. Sometime the eps file is malformed.

Regards,

Stephen

USB Portability instructions for Miktex2.5

[TechTonics]

There has been some discussion of using LyX in
other domains with a USB stick and I saw these
new instructions which cover the new Miktex 2.5

--

http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/CTAN/info (->)
/MiKTeX+Ghostscript+GSview+USB-drive-HOWTO.txt

MiKTeX+Ghostscript+GSview+USB-drive-HOWTO.txt

Alexander Grahn

Version 1.05, 18th August 2006

Copyright © 2006 Alexander Grahn

This HOWTO provides instructions for setting up a portable installation
of MiKTeX (>=2.5), Ghostscript and GSview on external storage devices,
such as USB sticks or mapped network drives, for use with MS Windows
(2000, 2003, XP, ...)  computers.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this HOWTO
under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL), Version
1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation. See
http://www.fsf.org for details of this license. This HOWTO is 
distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY.


-

1 Introduction
==

A portable TeX/LaTeX/PS-viewer installation for MS Windows can be
easily created by copying existing installations of MiKTeX, Ghostscript
and GSview to a USB storage device and adding some helper scripts
for initialization and utilizing the software. In fact, the procedure
described here is not restricted to USB drives but works with 
everything, which, apart from being writable, has a leading drive 
letter, such as "E:", in its path, e. g. mapped network drives. ...




March hare,
Stephen

Re: tex4ht just doesn't work for me ...

[TechTonics]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Stephen Harris wrote:



Perhaps you've been bitten by a mad wolverine? 


"Mad wolverine" is redundant -- they're all crazy buggers.

/Paul




Hyposthesis #1:
Wolverines must ingest too many livers laden with mercury
assimilated from a food chain that drank from polluted water.

Hatter,
Stephen

Re: 'subfigure' package on windows

[TechTonics]

John Pye wrote:

Hi Stephen

Surely there's a better way, right? Is there not like an index file or
something like that that I need to put into the local folder to make
Miktex happy? I guess this is a question for the Miktex list instead.

Cheers
JP



Did you try using the "Repository" menu option
to change from the internet, to a local directory
with the browse button. After it synchronizes it
should present you with subfigure.cab which you
select and then click the + button at the top of window to
install. Repository is at the top in Miktex Update Manager.

http://www.tug.org/ftp/tex/miktex/
contains the .bz2 iso image for
making a cd with all the 2.4 cabs
which probably hasn't changed for
subfigure.cab (and some other cabs) between versions.

mot juste,

cyberdiction

Re: 'subfigure' package on windows

[TechTonics]

John Pye wrote:

Hi Stephen

Surely there's a better way, right? Is there not like an index file or
something like that that I need to put into the local folder to make
Miktex happy? I guess this is a question for the Miktex list instead.

Cheers
JP



I mentioned this method as a backup plan in case the first way,
download Miktex 2.5 Net Installer, and choose 'install from a
local directory' browse to where you have subfigure.cab, failed.
Because you may have a problem downloading the Miktex 2.5 Net
Installer? Manually unpacking the subfigure.cab was intended as
an alternative if it, Miktex 2.5 Net Installer (install) failed.

I'll send you a relevant portion of mpm.ini but I think the
Miktex 2.5 Net Installer should be tried first.

Before LyX All in One installers were invented, the ordinary
procedure was to download with Miktex setup from miktex.org
and install Miktex (+other apps) before running the LyX install.
That is the position you are in now and this method doesn't
involve the Update Package Manager, so ftp filters are bypassed.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: 'subfigure' package on windows

[TechTonics]

John Pye wrote:

Hi all

I'm in a bit of a bind with getting LyX 1.4.2 to run under Windows.

For some crazy reason over which I have no control, our local firewall
doesn't allow PASV FTP connections. So I downloaded the 'bundle'
installer and thought I would be fine, but I find that I need support
for the 'subfigure' package. This isn't included in the standard bundle
(could it be added?) and because of the PASV problem, I can't use the
MikTex configuration utility to install it. I managed to download the
subfigure.cab file and put it in a local folder, which I thought would
do the trick, however when I point MikTex at this folder, it says that
the folder "does not seem to be a local package repository".

What's the right way to get around this, does anyone know?

Cheers
JP



Use the Miktex 2.5 Net Installer available at www.miktex.org

My practice, because I have plenty of disk space and a set
rate dsl connection, is to download the "complete" set of
packages (about 418mb which is short of *complete*) to a
local directory.

Then, and in your case since you have already gotten the
package you want, you run the installer again and this
time instead of choosing download, you choose *install*
Miktex, and Miktex will be installed from a directory
on your computer; when you get to the step: "install
Miktex from" use the Browse box to navigate to the
directory where you have subfigure installed. In my
case, My Compute ->C: -> c:\miktex25

I think "complete" will install all the cabs from the
directory which you have stored your subfigure.cab

The basic install is limited to about 36mb so there is
always going to be some package omitted that someone
would rather have had included. The recommended method
is to download the basic package and upgrade packages
'on the fly'. This method has a few major limitations
as you have discovered. Of course installing Miktex
from a full bundled LyX installer makes a basic mixtex
install option, the only practical timely alternative.

I suppose another way is to unpack the cab file into
the right Miktex directories, run Refresh database, and
LyX Reconfigure, which requires knowing the TDS (.zip).

Regards,
Stephen

Re: standard Lyx template/example does not work (?)

[TechTonics]

Jüergen Spitzmueller wrote:


TechTonics quoted Michael Hartje:

"I would recommend for mavrosym.sty to change "Telefon" to "Telefone"!


JG: Don't do this, this might break other packages that use marvosym.

Rather get a recent version of g-brief.cls, where the bug is fixed  
(according to the g-brief manual).


Jürgen



Stefan previously scrieb:

I tried an uninstall of Lyx 1.4.2 and reinstalled 1.4.1 (with 1.4.1
it used to work). But then it wouldn't even work in 1.4.1.! Now I
have 1.4.2 up and running but the error persists!

Is this error reproducible by anyone? What causes the error? If it
is not reproducible, what am I doing wrong with my lyx installation?

Please help me. I have lots of old documents using this class. Also
I like the layout more than the g-brief2 class.(and continued later)

I have two more questions though:
1) How would I figure out that the error comes from marvosym.sty,
as it is not mentioned in the error message?

2) Will this problem be resolved with future versions of miktex
or lyx?

---

1) = SH: So the usual recommendation of upgrading to the newest
release of a module and reading the documentation seems to prevail.
I'm still not sure why the behavior changed (different computers?).

Peer review of Michael Hartje's proposed solution in
"Telefon double definition in g-brief and mavrosym"
demonstrates the strength of researching the LyX User
mailing list and archives.

2) Jürgen indicates this was a Miktex package problem.

---

(no English translation) g-brief.dvi : 8 Einschrankungen und Bugs

"Bei Verswendüng des g-briefs zusammen mit dem Paket marvosym.sty
von Martin Vogel (martin\period\vogel\at\fh-bochem.de) wird die
Definition des Symbols \Telefon im Paket marvosym.sty aufgehboben,
da g-brief Definition zur Angabe Ihrer Telefonnummer verwendet."

--

I'm learning to read German ;-) for Hilbert's and my sake.

/mot juste/

Stephen in cyberdiction mode

Re: standard Lyx template/example does not work (?)

[TechTonics]

sk wrote:

Hello,

I am a somewhat experienced Lyx user. Using Lyx 1.4.2. with the latest
MiKTeX (2.5 with updated packages from the 14.august.2006) on Windows
xp. I have reconfigured Lyx via the Menu (Tools -> reconfigure) after
all MiKTeX updates. I don't know much about plain LaTeX though (thats
why I use Lyx ;-))

Recently I have an annoying problem with a lyx document class
(g-brief-de). Whenever I try to export documents of this type to PDF via
pdflatex I get the following error:


LaTex Error: Command \Telefon already defined.

\newcommand\Telefon{\mvchr{84}}

Your command was ignored.
Type  Ito replace it with another command,
orto continue without it.


At first I thought that there is something wrong with my document. So I
tried the g-brief-de.lyx template file from the Lyx templates folder. It
produces the same error!

I tried an uninstall of Lyx 1.4.2 and reinstalled 1.4.1 (with 1.4.1 it
used to work). But then it wouldn't even work in 1.4.1.! Now I have
1.4.2 up and running but the error persists!

Is this error reproducible by anyone? What causes the error? If it is
not reproducible, what am I doing wrong with my lyx installation?

Please help me. I have lots of old documents using this class. Also I
like the layout more than the g-brief2 class.

Thank you very much,

Stephan



I saw this problem mentioned not so long ago
and this is all I know about it.



Telefon double definition in g-brief and mavrosym

Michael Hartje
Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:29:26 -0700

dear readers,

may be this is not lyx but TeX error. (I use the last Miktex WinXP)


mavrosym.sty (2006/05/11 v2.1) defines

\def\Telefon{{\mvchr84}}

while g-brief-de.layout (and the g-brief.cls in tex) defines

Style Telefon
...
LatexName   Telefon
...
End


this stops latex every time using g-brief with errors when running 
automatic through mavrosym while using g-brief.


I would recommend for mavrosym.sty to change "Telefon" to "Telefone"!

best regards

Michael

---

Hope it helps,

Stephen

Re: Is it easy to add collaboration feature into LyX?

[TechTonics]

Michael wrote:

On 8/14/06, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Hi TechTonics,
>
> The one feature that I've mentioned is the real time communication,
> real-time math discussion, and real-time collaboration. I guess it is
not
> exist in the current version of LyX.
>
> any more thoughts?

I am interested in, right now, is a way to compare/diff two lyx
documents (maybe two versions of a svn repository), and result in a
change-marked one. This might be a nice addition to the
change-tracking feature. I think this can be easier to do when lyx is
converted to xml format with UUID paragraph ids.

As of real-time communication stuff, have you tried the latest MS
word? I have not tried it, but they have boasted for years that word
is 10 years ahead of any other word processor for its collaboration
features.

Cheers,
Bo




Hi Bo,

The best collaboration and brainstorming software is in MS Office called
OneNote, and it is also a note-taking software.

Now I am interested in adding math discussion capability to it, using the
math inset box and instant preview in LyX.

Any more thoughts?

Michael.



I'll mention Tech Explorer of which some people may not have
heard. htlatex export in Lyx to html to do a preview is not
working (Windows) and so it is done from the command line
which is a long ways to go. Tech Explorer, originally developed
by IBM, is free for personal use from Integre. It loads a .tex
file directly working as a plug-in for IE, Firefox and Opera.
It is always good to have a backup. I changed the file a bit,
\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1}\frac{x^{4}\left(1-x\right)^{4}}{1+x^{2}}dx=
\frac{22}{7}-\pi for comparison reasons.

Re: Is it easy to add collaboration feature into LyX?

[TechTonics]

Michael wrote:



On 8/14/06, *TechTonics* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


Michael wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I am interested and looking for a way to add collaboration
functionalities
 > into LyX.
 >

If you open a lyx file under Document there is an option
called Change Tracking. I don't think it is yet perfected.



New in Lyx1.4x
http://wiki.lyx.org/0.6.15/pmwiki.php/LyX/NewInLyX14#toc3

Change tracking

This new feature, similar to that found in Microsoft Word and others,
makes collaboration on a document a cinch. It provides a way to track
changes made to a document, and later approve, reject, or modify such
changes. To freeze a document for change tracking, use the
Document?Change Tracking menu:

[[uploads:/NewInLyX14/change-tracking-menu.png
uploads:/NewInLyX14/small-change-tracking-menu.png]]

When enabled, any edits made to a document are tracked. Deleted text is
marked in red and struck through, whilst added text is marked in blue;
in addition a changebar is added to the margin. With the dvipost
software installed, such marks can even be exported to PostScript
and PDF.

[[uploads:/NewInLyX14/change-tracking.png
uploads:/NewInLyX14/small-change-tracking.png]]

Send a change-tracked document off for review to a colleague, and let
them make changes - when you receive it back, you can use the Merge
Changes dialog to review his changes.

[[uploads:/NewInLyX14/merge-changes.png
uploads:/NewInLyX14/small-merge-changes.png]]

Once all marked changes have been processed, change tracking can be
disabled again to allow normal editing.

---

mot juste,
cyberdiction


Hi TechTonics,

The one feature that I've mentioned is the real time communication, 
real-time math discussion, and real-time collaboration. I guess it is 
not exist in the current version of LyX.


any more thoughts?


That is never going to exist as a feature of LyX since it is
much larger than LyX, one name might be video-conferencing. I
think a speaker-phone is just a little more easier than a mic.

I connected one California grandmother with her grandchildren
in Florida. They each had about a $50 Logitech QuickCam that
sat on top of their computers focused down toward the keyboard.
They used Skype for voice which was free at the time. The other
component was MS Chat where you can send files back and forth
to each other in a dedicated way. One can also type in the chat
bar and show a printed page to the video capture. There is also
remote control where one user can enter keystrokes from their
keyboard onto a distant application. This approach is usually
used by a tech troubleshooting on networked client computers.
Anyway, I think Voip/VPN technology swallows LyX; one could
use just about any unique quality document processor with it.

Bo mentioned the collaboration powers of Word. One can export
LyX to say thesis.tex, then run "htlatex thesis" and it will
produce high quality equation html. I'm goint to attach a bit
of a recent converted webpage with equations that Miktex 2.5
recently produced. The import of thesis.html into Word is
nearly perfect where collaboration could occur. I'm not so
sure about the reverse path of Word to .tex which LyX imports.

Another good collaborating tool is Adobe Writer Pro. After
exporting .lyx to pdf, Pro can open the file and enable
commenting, which can put notes on the page. There is an
elaborate set of underliners, highlighters, arrows etc.
But it is expensive, maybe your university has a copy.

grey-limned medium,

Stephen

Re: Which directory to install into for MikTex?

[TechTonics]

Michael wrote:

I'd like the complete package of the MikTex 2.5 to be installed. Is there
such an installer on Windows?

If not, I may have to install the complete package separately.

How do I make the paths in LyX pointed to the new MikTex 2.5 non-default
paths easily?

When I "new from template" in LyX 1.4.2, it always says missing some class,
etc. I believe this is because the LyX does not automatically recognize the
paths of non-default MikTex 2.5 paths.



On 8/13/06, Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Michael schrieb:

> I first installed the LyX 1.4.2 bundle with all its components 
including

> the
> MikTex. It installed into all default directories.
>
> Now I am going to install another Latex bundle which includes a 
complete

> package of MikTex and the WinEdt software.
> ...
> I am worried about the existence of two MikTex in my system...

The official LyXWin 1.4.2 installer comes with a basic installation of
MiKTeX 2.4 that only contains absolutely needed packages. Missing
packages are installed automatically on the fly via the internet if the
are needed.

I don't know what version of MiKTeX you've installed when you installed
WinEdt?

To assure that you only have one most recent MiKTeX installed I
recommend to uninstall both MiKTeX-versions and the new MiKTeX 2.5 using
this installer:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/miktex/basic-miktex-2.5.2412.exe

This is a basic-version.

Btw.: Why do yo need WinEdt when you have LyX?

Btw. 2: There is a LyXWin installer that comes with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX
1.4.2:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller

regards Uwe





This is how is used to be done before the installers
did so much for windows users. A user would download
all of the needed/wanted LyX helper apps and install
them (which ones are mentioned on the LyX Wiki) before
he installed LyX which makes a smaller Lyx installer.
That is the difference between between the small and
complete installers; a user selects the small when he
has already acquired the helper apps. (maybe network)

So one goes to www.miktex.org for instance and
downloads the setup program. You can choose to
make a complete (which is nearly complete) download
of the packages (.cab) to a local directory, I use
C:\MiktexFiles. Then one runs setup again and can
choose a complete install, the cab files are unpacked
and put in the correct directories, and usually put
in c:\program files\miktex 2.5 by default.

Of course you could zip the content of C:\MitexFiles
and put it on a cd or just copy the cab files to the
cd for later installation from the cd. Remember setup.
For the rare customer who want LyX/Miktex installed
I have one Miktex cd and another one with the helper
apps, plus any tutorials/books I might have on LyX or
Latex and a few different platforms & versions of LyX.
Not everybody has a computer dvd.

I think there has already been seven updates to MikTex
2.5. and more will come out after a cd has been burned.
Without an internet connection (which I do use) a user
would have to collect the updates that come out later
and put them on a supplemental cd. Actually, I'm not
sure how to get the updates separately for a later cd.
news.gmane.org g.c.t.miktex is dedicated to that kind
of Windows Latex whereas LyX uses Linux/Mac Tetex too.

So you can take the internet connection out of the loop
by having the helper apps installed first... I'm not
sure whether aspell will require a connection even if
you already have aspell installed (from the Lyx wiki).
Probably not. If you are a new user, have plenty of
disk space and a set dsl monthly charge the reasons
given for choosing a basic install and then add
packages on the fly as needed, make little sense to
me for US users who generally have rather stable dsl.
One can start the lengthy install and go have lunch
without taking away from productive time.

WinEdt and LyX can share the same Miktex installation,
LyX can be pointed to it with Tools->Preferences->
Path_prefix. But, I am not aware that WinEdt has been
upgraded to automatically find/work the new Miktex2.5.
Such is not an area of expertise for the LyX User list.

mot juste,

cyberdiction

Miktex2.5/LyX2.5 yap and postscript specials

[TechTonics]

Using ctrl-D, Miktex2.5's yap will not
display an included .eps file.
"This page could not be rendered because
it contains no source links.

However, if you copy the generated .dvi files
(lyx_tmpbuf) to another location along with
the missing file (drawing.eps) then it will
load them after changing format/dvips render.

But Miktex2.4's yap will display the file
correctly immediately from View with ctrl-D.
Also if the associated files are copied from
Lyx-tmpbuf to another directory and then
Yap closed and reopened, it will display
the file including the eps image (drawing.eps)
even though the file drawing.eps is not there.
Miktex 2.5 yap has to have drawing.eps there
or it offers to change format, cannot find the
file, and gives a bundle of error messages.

Maybe this is a yap error and not a Lyx error. The
LyX2.5 installer comes with this Yap unless changed.

Off Topic!! follows:

Since LyX is a tool for writers, I am recommending
a book "Simple & Direct": A Rhetoric for Writers by
Jaques Barzun which I found well-considered and witty.

I've always thought good writing was given as a talent
rather than (l)earned through practice but Barzun
believes there is no monumental boundary established
by Nature born of a byzantine, grey line medium.

Nurture rewards /mot juste/,

Stephen

Re: miktex 2.5 WinLyX

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:



I included a new version of MiKTeX 2.5 in the just announced bugfix 
installer version 2.51 that Christian Schenk kindly prepared for our needs.

Check if this improves the tex4ht situation.

Version 2.51 of LyxWinInstaller includes the missing python encoding 
files you reported.


thanks and regards
Uwe



Yes, it is working pretty good now. The Miktex2.5 htlatex html
file is 120 bytes smaller than its Miktex2.4 counterpart. The
line in the eps image graph is rendered a bit more blank/spotted.

Definitely good,

Stephen

Re: Fw: Postscript preview

[TechTonics]

TechTonics wrote:

LB wrote:




This problem with preview is still not 100% gone.  I have to change 
the PATH to point to a different copy of GS (Matlab copy or "official" 
copy) depending on which Lyx document I open. At this time, only the 
document that first exhibit this problem needs PATH to point to Matlab 
copy of GS for preview to work.  All other documents I have opened so 
far work fine with the "official" version but show preview problem 
with Matlab copy of GS.


Confused,
Leo




Why don't you make the Matlab copy of GS the same as the system?



Don't forget to generate a new version of the problematic
image(s) from Matlab again using the system gs 8.14. This
idea isn't intended to fix the problem with the original
mutant image created by the matlab gs, but to correct the
current bad file(s) by making a new one and to fix future
problems. Right-clicking in the taskbar(bottom)cascade = =

Regards,
Stephen

Re: miktex 2.5 WinLyX

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:

If they are installed, update MiKTeX because just yesterday came out 
a bugfix release including a new text4ht version.

Then you should have the file htlatex.bat in ~\miktex\bin


I think this may very well work now.


I included a new version of MiKTeX 2.5 in the just announced bugfix 
installer version 2.51 that Christian Schenk kindly prepared for our needs.

Check if this improves the tex4ht situation.

Version 2.51 of LyxWinInstaller includes the missing python encoding 
files you reported.


thanks and regards
Uwe



Recall that you remarked that my copy and paste of the
Miktex2.5 Tex4ht.cab looked like the older Miktex2.4 version?

Urlike Fischer is a resident guru on the newsgroup that I
quote below. It appears that most of the packages of the
complete download that I chose are the same.

I have tried Miktex2.5 complete again and ran the updates
right away. That was a mistake because the installation
doesn't use all of the complete packages as I noticed when
seeing if there was an htlatex.bat later. The installer
omits the whole Html/xml/sgml package group. So I added
this package group but couldn't update again, so I don't
know if that was a factor. Another thing is that I read
"xxx" works differently on his machine than on some others.

Anyway, I found out why Charles thought the equation output
of htlatex was mediocre while I thought the conversion was
the best in the world. I am going to attach to tiny .pngs
to show you and other readers what I mean.

As I see it the major advantage for LyX users is that the
Miktex2.5 release has an improved Yap but if they have a
need to go from LyX->Tex->htlatex/html->Word .doc format
the Miktex2.5 release is at this point unstable. The lack
of environment was fixed but .eps seems to be problematic.
I suppose you can think of other LyX reasons to co-install.

You were right about paths without spaces for lyx temp
and or work allowed the LyX html export feature to work.
But it misses all the converted png graphics. I wish
Georg would renew his interest in this problem.

So I may try the basic install of Mitex2.5 for Lyx1.4.2
and keep the Miktex2.5 for 1.3.7 since they will both
work and use separate versions in Path_prefix. Or maybe
have different versions installed for different identities
with the for this user only option rather than for all
users, which is probably needed for ghostscript also.

You and Mr. Schenk have worked on these matters diligently.
I'm not sure what other factors in the conversion operate.

Thanks for your efforts and Regards,

Stephen

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news.gmane.org g.c.t.miktex
Subject: [miktex] same cab files for MikTeX 2.4 and 2.5

> > nguyen2 wrote: Dear MikTeXers:

> > Is there any real difference between the cab files in the big
> > packages
> > downloaded for MikTeX 2.5 and the now-obsolete MikTeX 2.4?

Ulrike Fischer responded:

No, not if you mean the cab's of packages like hyperref etc.
Naturally it is possible that the one prepackaged in the 2.5
is more recent or that is one more in 2.5, but you can always
update or install such packages when the need arise.


nguyen2 wrote:
> > They appear to be the same to me but I'd like to hear from more
> > knowledgeable people. I planned to download the big packages using
> > both setup-2.4.1705.exe (MikTex 2.4) and setup-2.5.2406.exe
> > (Miktex 2.5) and compare. The older setup-2.4.1705.exe was able to
> > get the job done but the newer setup-2.5.2406.exe could not finish
> > the downloading, I didn't have a chance to compare them.

Ulrike Fischer responded:

At my opinion doing a basic install is quite enough. If you need more
packages you can install them on the fly, or you can use the ones from
your old texmf tree (the source tree should contain quite a lot). ...

If you have both on one PC the main problem will be the path to the
binaries. Your system will have to know somehow what you mean when you
call "latex".

Re: Fw: Postscript preview

[TechTonics]

LB wrote:
Which would not explain why futzing with the environment variables 
cured (or at least moved) the bug.  Then again, perhaps I'm asking too 
much of the bug as far as consistency goes.


This brings me back to my thesis that somewhere there is a buffer 
overflow.  How/why it would involve both the file paths/names and 
environment variables beats me, but I'll take another shot on the 
developer list and see what shakes.





This problem with preview is still not 100% gone.  I have to change the 
PATH to point to a different copy of GS (Matlab copy or "official" copy) 
depending on which Lyx document I open. At this time, only the document 
that first exhibit this problem needs PATH to point to Matlab copy of GS 
for preview to work.  All other documents I have opened so far work fine 
with the "official" version but show preview problem with Matlab copy of 
GS.


Confused,
Leo




Why don't you make the Matlab copy of GS the same as the system?

I open two instances of Windows Explorer to do this kind of work.

In one Window, navigate to Matlab and note the name of the Gs
directory. Right-click on the gs directory and delete it. It will
be safe in the Recycle bin as long as you don't "empty the recycle
bin". In the other window navigate to the system gs directory.
Right-click on it and choose copy. Then paste it into the Matlab
directory where the old matlab gs used to reside. Rename it to
the same name as the old matlab gs.

I suggest this because I don't know the matlab menu or command
line just to change it to point to the system-wide gs. If for
some reason Matlab doesn't make eps images, change it back.
Rename the newly made gs directory which has been renamed to
match the original matlab gs to something else. Then right-click
and delete it. Otherwise you will have two gs directories in
the Recycle bin and not know which one to "Restore" if they both
have the same name. This is the way to do it if you don't know
some technical syntax or deep matlab menu option.

Remember not to use illegal characters when you create filenames
for the .eps images. Do ordinary.

Another thing to look at is to invoke GSview, under Start->
All programs. After it loads, at the top under Options, choose
Advanced Configure. I was once shocked to discover that my
gs.dll and gs include path pointed to gs 7.07 which was long
gone; you want your current which in your case is 8.14 I think.
Anyway, I think those entries are generated from reading the
registry. And sometimes GS doesn't uninstall properly and leaves
old traces in the registry which are erroneously detected & used.

The idea here is that if 8.14 is making the eps then when LyX
uses 8.14 it should be able to decipher them. This should work
unless some command line switches/snytax invoking ghostscript
has been changed from what worked with the old version but could
be different in the newer gs version. That doesn't happen all
that often so your chances should be good. This will avoid you
having to edit the Path prefix in lyx back and forth, in order
to change versions to accomodate the creating gs version.

Good luck,
Stephen

Re: miktex 2.5 WinLyX

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:


I have the complete download and completely installed Miktex2.5.

tex4ht.cab\texmf\miktex\bin


This path sounds like the package is installed for MiKTeX 2.4 and not 
for 2.5.




Yes it does look like that. However, I used the Miktex2.5 complete
installer to download these packages just two days ago.

08/08/2006  06:19 AM   271,213 tex-ps.cab
08/08/2006  06:01 AM   849,429 tex-refs.cab
08/08/2006  05:55 AM   971,242 tex4ht.cab

and a random example taken from an expansion of another package
miktex-etex-base.cab\texmf\tex\latex - CAB archive, unpacked size 
137,302 bytes


So it is Ok that they display that way, or they are all wrong! :-)

However, use MiKTeX's package manager to assure that you've installed 
the correct package "tex4ht" AND "miktex-tex4ht".


If they are installed, update MiKTeX because just yesterday came out a 
bugfix release including a new text4ht version.




That does sound promising. Let me check comp.text.tex

Christian Schenk wrote: Re: tex4ht and Miktex 2.5 Aug.10, 3:17am
> Sorry for being so late: the bug ("Not enough room in an internal
> buffer.") has been fixed in the MiKTeX source code. Run the update
> wizard to get the new DLLs.
>


Then you should have the file htlatex.bat in ~\miktex\bin



I think this may very well work now.

Do you mean that htlatex works for you from either LyX or the command 
line?


I tested it from within LyX and found the bug that tex4ht doesn't 
support paths with spaces - I hate this kind of bugs more and more!.

LyX's temp directory path contains spaces.


I will be happy if it works from the command line. I will
change the LyX temp and work directories to C:\lyxtemp and
C:\lyxwork, no spaces. I don't see why M$ couldn't have used
for C:\program files -> C:\programs like you have C:\programmes

I was suspicious of making the default c:\program files|miktex 2.5
not because of Miktex and paths and spaces but those helper modules
like bibtex, I think, also don't like paths with spaces. I filed a
bug about copying converted image files from a temp dir for LyX.

But anyway, could you please file a bug report at MiKTeX sourceforge 
project page.


thanks and regards Uwe



I will give this another try with no spaces anywhere. It used to work 
from the command line "htlatex myfile(.tex)" before even with spaces.


Regards,
Stephen

Re: Fw: Postscript preview

[TechTonics]

LB wrote:
I have changed the names (decreased by one character) of the figures 
that were given me problems and they are now previewing fine!!!


Thanks
Leo




Great! One of the great Presidents said persistence is a
far better quality than talent or genius. Still seems like
a surprising way to fix it unless the 1 character decrease
was removing a forbidden character used in the filenames.

-

Stephen

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will
not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved
and always will solve the problems of the human race." Calvin Coolidge

Re: miktex 2.5 WinLyX

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:


I think that miktex 2.5 may be missing the file,
htlatex.bat and as a consequence the command line
"htlatex myfile.tex" will produce,
htlatex: The Windows command script file could not be found.


This file is there when you have installed the tex4ht package in MiKTeX 
2.5.


regards Uwe



I have the complete download and completely installed Miktex2.5.

--

tex4ht.cab\texmf\miktex\bin - CAB archive, unpacked size 9,698,251 bytes
...
ht.bat
htcontext.bat
htlatex.bat



First of all I tested myfile.tex with an html export from LyX.
And it hung. So then I tried "htlatex myfile" and got the error
"htlatex: The Windows command script file could not be found"

I was in the bin directory which contained htlatex.exe and the
myfile.tex file so I was surprised. Do you mean that htlatex
works for you from either LyX or the command line?

Regards,
Stephen

Re: Fw: Postscript preview

[TechTonics]

LB wrote:
Having already generated the image files in MATLAB, try temporarily 
hiding all the Cygwin and Matlab copies of the GS executable (say by 
adding a $ to the start of their names, which is easy to undo 
afterward).  Then run LyX and see if the images load properly.


No they don't.

Leo




No they don't... and you tried with both lyx.exe and lyx.bat?
IOW, has forcing LyX to use the system-wide GS created a
change in behavior; like lyx.exe no longer works the same.

I think lyx.exe now failing would mean that it had been using
the matlab gs and can no longer do so. Matlab gs creates the
file so one would expect it to load the file when LyX uses it.
LyX.bat would be using the system gs and working in cases
where the matlab gs file creation held no incompatibilities.
Which is why I ask if you tested both lyx.exe and lyx.bat.

If nothing has changed then we have gained no information.
You could have changed system gs to a $ and tested LyX
using matlab gs to render the image (after renaming).
Or if lyx.exe fails, then this step should enable lyx.bat
and the fix would be to put the matlab gs at beginning of
LyX Path_prefix. Maybe changing LC to Lang is equivalent.

Too many maybes bring Bats to the Belfry,
Stephen

Re: Fw: Postscript preview

[TechTonics]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

LB wrote:
I think this supports the possibility of a Ghostscript conflict and 
that

Matlab comes with its own version of Gs.


I actually have three versions of gs.exe. Cygwin has two. One in 
cygwin\bin directory and one in cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin directory.
Matlab has its own version as well. My install of gs (8.14) has two 
files in bin directory: gswin32.exe and gswin32c.exe


Please suggest what I can do to investigate this further.

Leo





Oops, forgot something.  If I understood Stephen's concerns correctly, a 
second experiment might be in order -- having renamed the "unofficial" 
GS executables, try reproducing the images from Matlab using the 
"official" version of GS.  (I'm not a Matlab user, so I don't know 
exactly what this would entail, but you might have to modify some 
setting in Matlab that holds the path to GS, or you might need the 
official GS bin directory on the command path, or worst case you might 
need to copy the official GS files, both executable and library, into 
the Matlab directory where the Matlab-installed GS currently lives.)


/Paul




Your starting idea seems the easiest place to start.
LyX was configured with the system GS. It is now going
to use the matlab gs. Does the matlab gs need to be put
in the beginning of Path_prefix? Reconfigure/Restart?

[SET LC_ALL=en_EN] I think that stands for Locale.
I suggested changing that entry in the 1.4.2 lyx.bat
to SET LANG=en_EN because I think Leo said both
Lyx.exe and lyx.bat work for all images in 1.4.1

This idea and your first approach seem to be less
complex, faster, and just as likely to be revealing?
We are expecting the matlab gs to work in all cases?!

Maybe change the batfile and test on an ornery critter.
If it fails, change it back. Then rename the other gs
versions and test with matlab gs exclusively. If that
fails we know it is likely just the batfile. Change the
batfile content again to set lang=en_EN and test
with exclusive matlab gs. Since cygwin gs is not used
and this method rules out a version conflict this had
just better work! To test system gs *and* with system gs
substituted for matlab gs also eliminates version GS
conflict but the testing procedure may be convoluted
and I don't know if there is a Grothendieck dimensional+.

+meaning I will have run out of ideas and will recluse,
Stephen
c

Best regards,

Re: Fw: Postscript preview

[TechTonics]

LB wrote:
I think this supports the possibility of a Ghostscript conflict and 
that

Matlab comes with its own version of Gs.


I actually have three versions of gs.exe. Cygwin has two. One in 
cygwin\bin directory and one in cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin directory.
Matlab has its own version as well. My install of gs (8.14) has two 
files in bin directory: gswin32.exe and gswin32c.exe


Please suggest what I can do to investigate this further.

Leo




So far you reported that lyx.exe will always display the
images but that lyx.bat will display some and not others
and this is for Lyx1.4.2; that the test.ps you sent us
now displays but you have another(s) which don't.

LyX1.4.1 will display all images with either lyx.exe or
lyx.bat. How about with Cygwin LyX? Check to see if
changing the lyx1.4.2 bat with this line SET LC_ALL=en_EN
to the lyx1.4.1 bat with this line SET LANG=en_EN
and then test on the transgressing eps file.

That is a quick first step. When I rename files which
I'm going to rename later, I do it with 2 Windows Search:
find file g*.exe in C:\cygwin, and then g*.exe in C:\GS?\
It makes it easy to keep visual track of the files you've
changed for when you want to rename them back. Right-click
on the filename with the mouse and rename by *prepending*
a $ to the file. You know CygLyX1.4.2 is available. :-)

Regards,
Stephen

miktex 2.5 WinLyX

[TechTonics]

I think that miktex 2.5 may be missing the file,
htlatex.bat and as a consequence the command line
"htlatex myfile.tex" will produce,
htlatex: The Windows command script file could not be found.

Perhaps the htlatex.bat from Miktex 2.4 can be substituted.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: A Spell Checker Error

[TechTonics]

Rich Shepard wrote:

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Interesting.  I tried this (using Aspell, the only game in town for us
Windows users).  It catches 'th' without a period, ignores 'th.' (which
makes some sense -- could be an abbreviation), and ignores 'th .' (space
before the period).  That last one should be an unambiguous error -- if
it's an abbreviation, the space is wrong.  So it seems that either LyX is
not passing the space to Aspell or Aspell is ignoring the space.


  That's really interesting, Paul.

  I've not done any testing; I have to finish two talks for Friday and
that's taking the majority of my time.

Rich



theils will have3 to do3es theml fou4r you

WinLyX1.3.7 finds a problem with "theils" , theml, and fou4r.

but if I change do3es to dor3es, then it will detect an error.
--

theils will have3 to do3es theml fou4r you

WinLyX1.4.2 finds theils, and theml, but not fou4r

and if I change do3es to dor3es it does not detect an error.
---

A word to the wise is sufficient,
Stephen

Re: [announce] LyxWinInstaller with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX 1.4.2

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:


I tried for a couple of hours to discover the missing files and it
is a real PITA.


I found the problem: I simply don't deliver all python encoding files in



the local installation. I will release a bugfix release of the installer 



later this week.

many thanks again
regards Uwe



Yes, that fixed it! I guess that is why you are the developer and
I am the peon.

many thanks to you,
Stephen

Re: [announce] LyxWinInstaller with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX 1.4.2

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:




You tell that the original script with the encoding

coding: iso-8859-15

runs fine on an installed Python 2.4.3. I'll test this, it seems that 
the local installation misses some files then.


thanks for the bug report and regards
Uwe



Yes, the real cause and finding a solution was a combined effort
found in thread: Re: Small problem with Lyx142 windows installer
People who have the C:\python system entry before the local lyx
python entry in Path_prefix don't have a Tex Information problem.
The prior configuration files have to been uninstalled also. I
tried for a couple of hours to discover the missing files and it
is a real PITA. I finally gave up, it does have a low priority.

LyX for Windows has come such a long way!
Stephen

Re: [announce] LyxWinInstaller with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX 1.4.2

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:


Joost's version of LyX1.4.2 created a subset of Python2.4.3
and installed it in a sub-directory of LyX even though I had
system-wide Python2.4.3 installed and in Windows Path.


This is then a bug. Python should only be installed when it isn't 
already on the system. This bug is not in my installer.



The LyX local subset Python failed to run the script, TeXFiles.py,
and as a result "Tex Information" failed to populate.

#!/usr/bin/env python -tt
# -*- coding: iso-8859-15 -*-

Your script edits the ^15 to a 1, and is a workaround for the
script to produce content for "Tex Information".


This is a known bug of LyX 1.4.2. The encoding of the python files is




now fixed and I used the fixed versions for the installer release.



SH: System Python ran that script without any fixing, so that
means Joost's local Python installed directory isn't fully
functional. Because you can modify the script so that the
shortcoming is not apparent is a workaround not a fix, IMO.

Anyway, I saw that your installer installs and uses python*
but apparently deletes these files later without giving the
impression that a local lyx python sub-dir fully works.


Thanks for the hint. But it is listed in the changelog. The readmes 
don't cover minor problems of LyX, only general ones.



But I think for new users, including a lyx.ico in Resources ...


There should be a "lyx.ico" in LyX's bin directory. The missing icon 
will hopefully be fixed for the next LyX release.




Yes, I found lydia.ico in the bin directory, I don't know how
I could have missed it. The Joost version does install with an
icon so he must have found a fix... anyway a small matter.
I like your python treatment.

You wouldn't happen to know if SET LC_ALL=en_EN from
lyx.bat could have any impact on .eps image conversion?

Thank you,

Stephen

Re: [announce] LyxWinInstaller with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX 1.4.2

[TechTonics]

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

TechTonics wrote:


Thank you, I look forward to trying it. It will probably avoid that
minor Python bug.


What Python bug?


I've read that some of the upgrades to Miktex2.5
haven't gone well and the Miktex2.4 version is no longer available
on its website.


All older MiKTeX versions are available here:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/miktex/

MiKTeX 2.5 is quite stable and the installation goes smooth. I'm working 
with MiKTeX 2.5 for 3 month and nearly all problems I could find are 
fixed in the final release. There were 14 beta-releases before the final 
version was published to assure that everything works as expected.


regards Uwe



Joost's version of LyX1.4.2 created a subset of Python2.4.3
and installed it in a sub-directory of LyX even though I had
system-wide Python2.4.3 installed and in Windows Path.

The LyX local subset Python failed to run the script, TeXFiles.py,
and as a result "Tex Information" failed to populate.

#!/usr/bin/env python -tt
# -*- coding: iso-8859-15 -*-

Your script edits the ^15 to a 1, and is a workaround for the
script to produce content for "Tex Information". However, the
system-wide Python produced "Tex Information" without editing
the script. Bo pointed out the subset Python was missing some
file(s). I would be skeptical of anyone who claimed that they
knew for sure that this shortcoming of the LyX local python
could never impact LyX functionality in any other situation;
that it was only and could only be the one file, TeXFiles.py,
especially since it was not known what Python files were
missing to cause this.

Your version did not produce the above problem for me. It found
system-wide Python243 and inserted it into the LyX Path_prefix,
which was another workaround to Joost's Python malfunction, put
the system-wide Python ahead of the Joost version created entry
for the local python sub-directory which was in the Path_prefix.
I had no LyX local Python sub-dir created for me with your
version, plus the script was edited so it would work if it had.

Everything went well with the net and complete installs, so far.
I have a minor nit. The missing lyx icon isn't mentioned in the
Readmes. You did mention in your post, "The executable "lyx.exe"
has no LyX icon (see LyX's bug #2708),"

I have already downloaded lyx icons from the Wiki so it is no
problem to manually install one by right-clicking on the icon,
choosing 'Properties', and selecting 'change icon' and browse
to my C:\Icons to install the lyx.ico.

But I think for new users, including a lyx.ico in Resources
so they could browse there and manually install it would save
them at least ten minutes in discovering that the LyX Wiki had
icons, then going there, finding some, and then downloading. I
don't know how much trouble it would be to include a couple
since this version is already packaged. It's minor, as I said.

I didn't know about the repository of prior Miktex releases,
so that was a false positive.

I subscribe to new.gmane.org, gmane.comp.tex.miktex, where one
would expect to see problems, but there are enough reports in
the last few days for me to proceed perhaps too cautiously, as
my main Identity has been traumitized by a trojan (or rootkit).

Also I liked your consolidation of latex tools and Msys,

Stepen

Re: [announce] LyxWinInstaller with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX 1.4.2

[TechTonics]

From: *Uwe Stöhr* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Date: Aug 7, 2006 3:23 AM
Subject: [announce] LyxWinInstaller with MiKTeX 2.5 and LyX 1.4.2
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org , 
lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org 


Hello LyXers,

I just released version 2.5 of my LyX/LaTeX-Installer LyXWinInstaller.
It can be downloaded from here:

Hello Uwe,

Thank you, I look forward to trying it. It will probably avoid that
minor Python bug. I've read that some of the upgrades to Miktex2.5
haven't gone well and the Miktex2.4 version is no longer available
on its website. So I think I will use the side-by-side install of both.
If it works (or not) you'll be the first to know :-)

Regards,
Stephen