Re: Fwd: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
On 2010-01-06, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
>> Thanks a lot Olivier, this works perfectly for Maxima.
>> I can ask it to compute \frac{\partial x^{2}}{\partial x}=2\, x and
>> it works as it is shown by the = sign but how to ask more indirect
>> tasks?
>> Question: How to pass commands to Maxima? Should we write full Maxima
>> expressions, instead of the standard math notation? In SWP there is a
>> Computation menu where it is possible to choose the operation that we
>> desire (simplify, evaluate, etc.).
> I think Lyx should stay with the math notation it has. Users should not
> need to write differently depending on whether they use maxima or some
> other math package.
> LyX should handle the conversion into something maxima/octace/whatever
> can understand.
> Of course the math menu in LyX can be extended. If different menus
> for simplify, evaluate etc. is useful, then it can be made.
The problem here is, that LaTeX only knows/needs "presentational" math
commands. A large part of the CAS syntax has no meaning in "pure" math.
Hence it does not make sense to extend "LaTeX math" for CAS.
Proposals (first draw):
* for code from a file, use the external material inset,
Create a CAS template replacing Maxima/Octave/swiginac input with the LaTeX
output in a math-editor box.
* a "CAS-inset" for the math editor with configurable accepting CAS
commands in a configurable language.
Günter
Re: Fwd: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
Thanks a lot Olivier, this works perfectly for Maxima.
I can ask it to compute \frac{\partial x^{2}}{\partial x}=2\, x and
it works as it is shown by the = sign but how to ask more indirect
tasks?
Question: How to pass commands to Maxima? Should we write full Maxima
expressions, instead of the standard math notation? In SWP there is a
Computation menu where it is possible to choose the operation that we
desire (simplify, evaluate, etc.).
I think Lyx should stay with the math notation it has. Users should not
need to write differently depending on whether they use maxima or some
other math package.
LyX should handle the conversion into something maxima/octace/whatever
can understand.
Of course the math menu in LyX can be extended. If different menus
for simplify, evaluate etc. is useful, then it can be made.
Someone interested has to do the work though.
Helge Hafting
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Enrico Forestieri writes:
>
> Ken writes:
>
> > It does appear to be quite simple in its capabilities and not able to
> > handle even moderately complex formulas (exp(2)*exp(3)) in either
> > octave or maxima.
>
> Note that if you type exp(2) literally, LyX has to use some heuristics in
> order to know what you meant. Actually, it interprets "exp(2)" as "ex p(2)",
> i.e., "e" times "x" times "p(2)". You can help interpretation in several ways.
>
> 1. use \mathrm to tell LyX what the function name is:
>\mathrm{exp}(2)*\mathrm{exp}(3)
>
> 2. use a small space to separate the argument of the function:
>exp\,(2)*exp\,(3)
>
> 3. use the LaTeX function names:
>\exp(2)*\exp(3)
>
> 4. use standard math:
>e^2*e^3
>
> Nevertheless, this could be improved, of course, but heuristics can always
> fail. That said, failure or success also depends on the CAS used. Your
> particular example (without the corrective steps outlined above) works with
> both octave and maxima, but fails with Mathematica (I don't know what happens
> with maple).
>
Hi Enrico,
I re-tried suggestion #3:
\exp(2)*\exp(3)
and
\exp\left(2\right)*\exp\left(3\right)
which both suddenly worked on Windows with LyX 1.6.4 and Maxima 5.16.3. I am
not certain why as previous attempts failed.
The only difference is that I did a complete re-boot this morning on my machine.
Thanks!
Ken
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Ken writes:
> It does appear to be quite simple in its capabilities and not able to
> handle even moderately complex formulas (exp(2)*exp(3)) in either
> octave or maxima.
Note that if you type exp(2) literally, LyX has to use some heuristics in
order to know what you meant. Actually, it interprets "exp(2)" as "ex p(2)",
i.e., "e" times "x" times "p(2)". You can help interpretation in several ways.
1. use \mathrm to tell LyX what the function name is:
\mathrm{exp}(2)*\mathrm{exp}(3)
2. use a small space to separate the argument of the function:
exp\,(2)*exp\,(3)
3. use the LaTeX function names:
\exp(2)*\exp(3)
4. use standard math:
e^2*e^3
Nevertheless, this could be improved, of course, but heuristics can always
fail. That said, failure or success also depends on the CAS used. Your
particular example (without the corrective steps outlined above) works with
both octave and maxima, but fails with Mathematica (I don't know what happens
with maple).
--
Enrico
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Ken wrote: > It does appear to be quite simple in its capabilities and not able to > handle even moderately complex formulas (exp(2)*exp(3)) in either works here with maxima pavel
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
2009/11/24 Ken : > 2009/11/24 Andre Poenitz : >> The current CAS support in LyX is a toy, no more. Really. There is not >> enough flesh to justify documentation. It would not take lot of effort >> to make it work considerably better, but seemingly there was not enough >> interest in the last six or eight years to make that happen. >> >> Andre' It does appear to be quite simple in its capabilities and not able to handle even moderately complex formulas (exp(2)*exp(3)) in either octave or maxima. But if it were a more prominent tool in the LyX interface then perhaps it would get the attention (and bug/devel requests) needed to make it something that could compete with MuPad.
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
I find that this would be a real force in "converting" colleagues from SWP to Lyx. Murat 2009/11/24 Andre Poenitz : > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:39:42AM +, Liviu Andronic wrote: >> Hello >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM, rgheck wrote: >> > On 11/23/2009 02:05 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: >> >> If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX >> >> via maxima, octave, etc. >> >> >> > I don't know how current the support is, but yes, there are routines in >> > mathed that support exporting to these sorts of formats: Mathematica, too. >> > So some work may need to be done, but we don't see a lot of requests for >> > this kind of thing. I haven't seen anyone working on it since I've been >> > involved in LyX. >> > >> One of the reasons for so few requests could be that the nifty feature >> is so well hidden. Other than not being mentioned on the features page >> [1], I couldn't find info on CAS (maxima and the likes) in any of the >> possible documentation files, from Introduction through Math. Even the >> feature-poll page contains a non-greened-out request for CAS [2]. In >> the GUI, it is not much simpler. After having written a math >> expression (say, 'x+x'), right-clicking on the math env will not show >> anything CAS-related, while the math toolbars do not propose anything >> obvious. >> >> Thus, to discover the CAS support in LyX a user would need to go the >> sometimes improbable way of writing in math env and, while there, >> accessing the Edit > Math > Use CAS menu. Of course, an alternative >> path would be Google. > > The current CAS support in LyX is a toy, no more. Really. There is not > enough flesh to justify documentation. It would not take lot of effort > to make it work considerably better, but seemingly there was not enough > interest in the last six or eight years to make that happen. > > Andre' > -- Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu __
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:39:42AM +, Liviu Andronic wrote: > Hello > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM, rgheck wrote: > > On 11/23/2009 02:05 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > >> If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX > >> via maxima, octave, etc. > >> > > I don't know how current the support is, but yes, there are routines in > > mathed that support exporting to these sorts of formats: Mathematica, too. > > So some work may need to be done, but we don't see a lot of requests for > > this kind of thing. I haven't seen anyone working on it since I've been > > involved in LyX. > > > One of the reasons for so few requests could be that the nifty feature > is so well hidden. Other than not being mentioned on the features page > [1], I couldn't find info on CAS (maxima and the likes) in any of the > possible documentation files, from Introduction through Math. Even the > feature-poll page contains a non-greened-out request for CAS [2]. In > the GUI, it is not much simpler. After having written a math > expression (say, 'x+x'), right-clicking on the math env will not show > anything CAS-related, while the math toolbars do not propose anything > obvious. > > Thus, to discover the CAS support in LyX a user would need to go the > sometimes improbable way of writing in math env and, while there, > accessing the Edit > Math > Use CAS menu. Of course, an alternative > path would be Google. The current CAS support in LyX is a toy, no more. Really. There is not enough flesh to justify documentation. It would not take lot of effort to make it work considerably better, but seemingly there was not enough interest in the last six or eight years to make that happen. Andre'
Fwd: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Thanks a lot Olivier, this works perfectly for Maxima.
I can ask it to compute \frac{\partial x^{2}}{\partial x}=2\, x and
it works as it is shown by the = sign but how to ask more indirect
tasks?
Question: How to pass commands to Maxima? Should we write full Maxima
expressions, instead of the standard math notation? In SWP there is a
Computation menu where it is possible to choose the operation that we
desire (simplify, evaluate, etc.).
Murat
2009/11/24 Olivier Ripoll :
> Ken wrote:
>>
>> That's a fantastic new discovery of a further LyX feature. As for
>> making it more useful, perhaps LyX needs some buttons in the math
>> toolbar for Octave or Maxima or a way of customizing some new buttons
>> to run the Edit->Math->CAS options.
>
> That's actually easy: here is how to get the Maxima action in the context
> menu:
>
> 0- close lyx if opened
>
> 1- Copy the "stdcontext.inc" file found in the common "ui" folder of LyX.
> On windows, it is
> "C:\Program Files\LyX 1.6.4\Resources\ui", on linux, I'd expect it to be
> somewhere in "/usr/share"
>
> 2- Paste this file in your own "ui" folder.
> On windows, it is in
> "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\lyx16\ui"
>
> 3- with a decent text editor (accepting unix LF), find the
> 'Menu "context-math"' section, and at the end (after line 75, before the
> 'End'), add the following 2 lines (the second is taken from the
> "edit_math_extern" section of file 'stdmenus.inc', if you wonder how to add
> Octave, Maple, etc.)
> Separator
> Item "Maxima|M" "math-extern maxima"
>
> 4- save, restart lyx
>
> Best regards,
>
> Olivier
>
>
>
--
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02
Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27
e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
__
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Olivier Ripoll writes: > Ken wrote: > > > > That's a fantastic new discovery of a further LyX feature. As for > > making it more useful, perhaps LyX needs some buttons in the math > > toolbar for Octave or Maxima or a way of customizing some new buttons > > to run the Edit->Math->CAS options. > > That's actually easy: here is how to get the Maxima action in the > context menu: > > 0- close lyx if opened > > 1- Copy the "stdcontext.inc" file found in the common "ui" folder of LyX. > On windows, it is > "C:\Program Files\LyX 1.6.4\Resources\ui", on linux, I'd expect it to be > somewhere in "/usr/share" > > 2- Paste this file in your own "ui" folder. > On windows, it is in > "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\lyx16\ui" > > 3- with a decent text editor (accepting unix LF), find the > 'Menu "context-math"' section, and at the end (after line 75, before the > 'End'), add the following 2 lines (the second is taken from the > "edit_math_extern" section of file 'stdmenus.inc', if you wonder how to > add Octave, Maple, etc.) > Separator > Item "Maxima|M" "math-extern maxima" > > 4- save, restart lyx Very cool! I added: Separator Item "Maxima|M" "math-extern maxima" Item "Octave|O" "math-extern octave" and both work on my Windows XP, LyX 1.6.4 machine. Thanks! P.S. The "context menu" (for those that didn't catch the meaning straight away--I didn't) is the menu you see when you right-click on the equation.
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Ken wrote: That's a fantastic new discovery of a further LyX feature. As for making it more useful, perhaps LyX needs some buttons in the math toolbar for Octave or Maxima or a way of customizing some new buttons to run the Edit->Math->CAS options. That's actually easy: here is how to get the Maxima action in the context menu: 0- close lyx if opened 1- Copy the "stdcontext.inc" file found in the common "ui" folder of LyX. On windows, it is "C:\Program Files\LyX 1.6.4\Resources\ui", on linux, I'd expect it to be somewhere in "/usr/share" 2- Paste this file in your own "ui" folder. On windows, it is in "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\lyx16\ui" 3- with a decent text editor (accepting unix LF), find the 'Menu "context-math"' section, and at the end (after line 75, before the 'End'), add the following 2 lines (the second is taken from the "edit_math_extern" section of file 'stdmenus.inc', if you wonder how to add Octave, Maple, etc.) Separator Item "Maxima|M" "math-extern maxima" 4- save, restart lyx Best regards, Olivier
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Ken wrote:
I had a further play around with it. I added:
;C:\Program Files\Maxima-5.16.3\bin;C:\Octave\3.2.3_gcc-4.4.0\bin
to the PATH prefix in the Preferences, and then restarted LyX.
Now when I type
4+5
in a math field and then use Edit->Math->CAS->Octave or ->Maxima it
calculates the answer and sets the field to 4+5=9.
And if I enter
$\int_{0}^{1}x^{2}dx$
maxima will return the answer 1/3.
That's a fantastic new discovery of a further LyX feature. As for
making it more useful, perhaps LyX needs some buttons in the math
toolbar for Octave or Maxima or a way of customizing some new buttons
to run the Edit->Math->CAS options.
I share your amazement. I didn't know that trick and it works here too
(Maxima 5.19.2).
That's another thing to showcase to the word-using colleagues ;-)
Thanks a lot for the tip!
Olivier
PS: should the re-configure script update those paths by itself?
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
I had a further play around with it. I added:
;C:\Program Files\Maxima-5.16.3\bin;C:\Octave\3.2.3_gcc-4.4.0\bin
to the PATH prefix in the Preferences, and then restarted LyX.
Now when I type
4+5
in a math field and then use Edit->Math->CAS->Octave or ->Maxima it
calculates the answer and sets the field to 4+5=9.
And if I enter
$\int_{0}^{1}x^{2}dx$
maxima will return the answer 1/3.
That's a fantastic new discovery of a further LyX feature. As for
making it more useful, perhaps LyX needs some buttons in the math
toolbar for Octave or Maxima or a way of customizing some new buttons
to run the Edit->Math->CAS options.
2009/11/24 Liviu Andronic :
> On 11/24/09, Ken wrote:
>> I have maxima-5.16.3 and octave-3.2.3 installed on my Windows XP
>> machine. When I enter the math formula 2+2 and click on
>> Edit->Math->CAS... and choose maxima or octave it does not do
>> anything. Does lyx need to know where the binaries are located?
>>
> Hmm, that's a good question. On Linux (Debian and Gentoo), I didn't
> need to perform any additional tweaks: both maxima and octave worked
> out of the box (the versions are similar to yours). Perhaps you would
> need to reconfigure LyX. If that fails, consider asking this on-list.
>
> Regards
> Liviu
>
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
On 11/24/09, Ken wrote: > How does one set up LyX to use Octave, Maxima, etc.? > As long as maxima and lyx are installed, it should work out of the box. Liviu
Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP
Hi. I just discovered that LyX comes with Scientific Word bindings already. Found in the sciword.bind file attached. Perhaps the lyx.org wiki needs a page on "Migrating to LyX, A Guide for Scientific Word Users". It might include a discussion on the differences, how to migrate SWP files to lyx, how to perform common SWP tasks in LyX so new users can get started fast. 2009/11/23 Ken : > Ah, sorry. The "twice" comment makes sense now. > > Yes, I agree some SWP bindings would be nice but I am not very good > with SWP and I have zero-chance of getting my co-author to change to > lyx. So I may not be the best to do all the bindings. What I will do > is give it a start and put it up on the lyx wiki for others to > improve. > > Flip side is I could learn SWP shortcuts and use them in LyX...but > somehow I have a feeling that the LyX bindings are probably best to > stick with. > > Thanks for the file. I'll get it started this weekend. > > Best, > Ken sciword.bind Description: Binary data
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
On 11/24/2009 06:39 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote: Hello On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM, rgheck wrote: On 11/23/2009 02:05 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX via maxima, octave, etc. I don't know how current the support is, but yes, there are routines in mathed that support exporting to these sorts of formats: Mathematica, too. So some work may need to be done, but we don't see a lot of requests for this kind of thing. I haven't seen anyone working on it since I've been involved in LyX. One of the reasons for so few requests could be that the nifty feature is so well hidden. Other than not being mentioned on the features page [1], I couldn't find info on CAS (maxima and the likes) in any of the possible documentation files, from Introduction through Math. Even the feature-poll page contains a non-greened-out request for CAS [2]. In the GUI, it is not much simpler. After having written a math expression (say, 'x+x'), right-clicking on the math env will not show anything CAS-related, while the math toolbars do not propose anything obvious. Thus, to discover the CAS support in LyX a user would need to go the sometimes improbable way of writing in math env and, while there, accessing the Edit> Math> Use CAS menu. Of course, an alternative path would be Google. If you'd like to draft something for one of the manuals, and/or propose some specific UI changes, we'd love to have them. rh
Re: CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
* Liviu Andronic wrote, On 24/11/09 11:39: Hello On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM, rgheck wrote: On 11/23/2009 02:05 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX via maxima, octave, etc. I don't know how current the support is, but yes, there are routines in mathed that support exporting to these sorts of formats: Mathematica, too. So some work may need to be done, but we don't see a lot of requests for this kind of thing. I haven't seen anyone working on it since I've been involved in LyX. One of the reasons for so few requests could be that the nifty feature is so well hidden. Other than not being mentioned on the features page [1], I couldn't find info on CAS (maxima and the likes) in any of the possible documentation files, from Introduction through Math. Even the feature-poll page contains a non-greened-out request for CAS [2]. In the GUI, it is not much simpler. After having written a math expression (say, 'x+x'), right-clicking on the math env will not show anything CAS-related, while the math toolbars do not propose anything obvious. Thus, to discover the CAS support in LyX a user would need to go the sometimes improbable way of writing in math env and, while there, accessing the Edit > Math > Use CAS menu. wow! thats great! Thanks for showing it. Sam
CAS exposure in LyX (was Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP)
Hello On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM, rgheck wrote: > On 11/23/2009 02:05 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: >> If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX >> via maxima, octave, etc. >> > I don't know how current the support is, but yes, there are routines in > mathed that support exporting to these sorts of formats: Mathematica, too. > So some work may need to be done, but we don't see a lot of requests for > this kind of thing. I haven't seen anyone working on it since I've been > involved in LyX. > One of the reasons for so few requests could be that the nifty feature is so well hidden. Other than not being mentioned on the features page [1], I couldn't find info on CAS (maxima and the likes) in any of the possible documentation files, from Introduction through Math. Even the feature-poll page contains a non-greened-out request for CAS [2]. In the GUI, it is not much simpler. After having written a math expression (say, 'x+x'), right-clicking on the math env will not show anything CAS-related, while the math toolbars do not propose anything obvious. Thus, to discover the CAS support in LyX a user would need to go the sometimes improbable way of writing in math env and, while there, accessing the Edit > Math > Use CAS menu. Of course, an alternative path would be Google. Regards Liviu [1] http://www.lyx.org/Features [2] http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll#toc15
Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP
On 11/23/2009 02:05 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: Hello On 11/23/09, Ken wrote: i disagree. swp is better than lyx in many respects. for istance > (1) it has a mupad kernel which makes possible to carry out symbolic >calculations with the equations one has typeset. If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX via maxima, octave, etc. I don't know how current the support is, but yes, there are routines in mathed that support exporting to these sorts of formats: Mathematica, too. So some work may need to be done, but we don't see a lot of requests for this kind of thing. I haven't seen anyone working on it since I've been involved in LyX. > (3) swp recognizes about twenty different graphical files (formats) > such as tif, jpg, eps, png, etc. As long as .png, .pdf, .eps and .svg are handled, most users should be satisfied. If I'm not mistaken, LyX recognizes any graphical format that ImageMagick can handle, which means pretty much any graphics format. So I think this one is a bit off. Or are there specific formats someone thinks LyX won't handle? rh
Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP
Hello On 11/23/09, Ken wrote: > >i disagree. swp is better than lyx in many respects. for istance > > (1) it has a mupad kernel which makes possible to carry out symbolic > > calculations with the equations one has typeset. > If I am not mistaking, symbolic calculations can be performed in LyX via maxima, octave, etc. > > (2) you can also create various diagrams which represent the functions > > you have > > already typeset as equations. > This can also be done vith R & Sweave. (Sofar, this is possible only in a handful of standard classes.) > > (3) swp recognizes about twenty different graphical files (formats) > > such as tif, jpg, > > eps, png, etc. > As long as .png, .pdf, .eps and .svg are handled, most users should be satisfied. Regards Liviu
Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP
Hi Gyorgy, Thanks so much for your comments. I have not used mupad and tend to create all my charts in Matlab so I was unaware of those features. Maybe I was too harsh on SWP...but I do vastly prefer LyX. And maybe your comments might spark some work within LyX on the unimplemented features you mentioned. The one question I have which I did not understand from your post was on latex2e and using SWP and LyX in parallel. Could you please elaborate on how you use latex2e to use these two programs together. Is latex2e conversion set up in the standard LyX installation? Would latex2e strip out non-native latex commands like \tabularnewline so that a LyX document will import into SWP easily? Thanks, Ken 2009/11/23 Gyorgy SZEIDL : > Ken wrote: > > Giulio Morello writes: > > > Hi all, > > I am working with Lyx and my co-author is using SWP. The problem we have is > > > that he is not able to open > > > Lyx-exported tex files (plain latex) into SWP. > There's no tables, figures, or strange things inside my tex files, just text > > > and equations. > > > I serched around the internet but found no useful info. Do you know what can > > > we do for having SWP read tex files > > > created in Lyx? > > (really would like to keep using Lyx and not switching to SWP...) > > Best, > Giulio Morello > > > Hi Giulio, > > I have also had a similar problem. I love LyX and think it is a far > superior > product to Scientific Word/Workplace. Under most circumstances I would not > use > SWP over LyX even if you paid me! > > > > i disagree. swp is better than lyx in many respects. for istance > (1) it has a mupad kernel which makes possible to carry out symbolic > calculations with the equations one has typeset. > (2) you can also create various diagrams which represent the functions > you have > already typeset as equations. > (3) swp recognizes about twenty different graphical files (formats) > such as tif, jpg, > eps, png, etc. > > That being said, it is often difficult to convert long-term users of SWP > because > they may be familiar with the keyboard shortcuts, have painstakingly already > learned the little tricks the product requires to get things done the way > you > want, and have already learned the keyboard shortcuts. > > My experience is that importing a SWP portable tex file into LyX is not too > difficult. However, going from LyX to SWP is a bit of a challenge. > > One problem is that if SWP does not like a file you are trying to import, it > uses up 100% of the CPU doing who-knows-what and the only way to stop it is > to > kill the process in the task manager. Any decent application would simply > return an error message.Another problem I have is that SWP does not like > some latex commands. I think > that \\tabularnewline in a table is one of them (causing the above problem). > > > as far as i remember there is no command with the name \tabularnewline in > the standrad latex > documentclasses. i have had no problem with plain latex files in swp > provided that the tables were > created by using the standard tabular environment under lyx. > > When working on a document where a colleague is steadfast on using SWP, my > strategy has been to abandon LyX and use his program. What I tend to do is > have > SWP and LyX open. I also use notepad++ to view the .tex file of the SWP > paper > and "show source" in LyX. I copy and paste little chunks from LyX into the > SWP > .tex file and check that SWP liked it. If not, I try to create a simple > example > in SWP, see how SWP likes it coded, and then adapt my LyX/Tex code to the > way > SWP likes it. It is a pain but you quickly learn what SWP wants and how to > get > your LyX document into its format. Once I have moved my document to SWP I > continue to use it with my co-author. > > > > i am convinced that the use of standard latex2e commands can not cause > any problem no matter which system > is used: lyx or swp5.5. sometimes i use them parallel to each other and > so far everything has been ok for me. > > In the best of worlds your co-author would see the light and move to LyX. > Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy way to use the two > simultaneously > (one main reason is the SWP has its own TCIMACRO comment lines which perform > various actions within the program that are not latex code). One of you > will > have to give in and use the other's favourite typesetting package. > > If anyone else has thoughts/experience/solutions, I would be interested. > > Regards, > Ken > > > > best regards > g. szeidl > (beta tester of swp) > > -- > > Prof. Dr. habil György SZEIDL > Department of Mechanics > University of Miskolc > 3515 Miskolc-Egyetemváros > Hungary > Phone: 36-46-565-111 ext. 18-92 > URL: http://www.mech.uni-miskolc.hu/staff/lecturers/G_Szeidl.html
Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP
Giulio Morello writes: > > Hi all, > > I am working with Lyx and my co-author is using SWP. The problem we have is that he is not able to open > Lyx-exported tex files (plain latex) into SWP. > There's no tables, figures, or strange things inside my tex files, just text and equations. > > I serched around the internet but found no useful info. Do you know what can we do for having SWP read tex files > created in Lyx? > > (really would like to keep using Lyx and not switching to SWP...) > > Best, > Giulio Morello Hi Giulio, I have also had a similar problem. I love LyX and think it is a far superior product to Scientific Word/Workplace. Under most circumstances I would not use SWP over LyX even if you paid me! That being said, it is often difficult to convert long-term users of SWP because they may be familiar with the keyboard shortcuts, have painstakingly already learned the little tricks the product requires to get things done the way you want, and have already learned the keyboard shortcuts. My experience is that importing a SWP portable tex file into LyX is not too difficult. However, going from LyX to SWP is a bit of a challenge. One problem is that if SWP does not like a file you are trying to import, it uses up 100% of the CPU doing who-knows-what and the only way to stop it is to kill the process in the task manager. Any decent application would simply return an error message. Another problem I have is that SWP does not like some latex commands. I think that \\tabularnewline in a table is one of them (causing the above problem). When working on a document where a colleague is steadfast on using SWP, my strategy has been to abandon LyX and use his program. What I tend to do is have SWP and LyX open. I also use notepad++ to view the .tex file of the SWP paper and "show source" in LyX. I copy and paste little chunks from LyX into the SWP .tex file and check that SWP liked it. If not, I try to create a simple example in SWP, see how SWP likes it coded, and then adapt my LyX/Tex code to the way SWP likes it. It is a pain but you quickly learn what SWP wants and how to get your LyX document into its format. Once I have moved my document to SWP I continue to use it with my co-author. In the best of worlds your co-author would see the light and move to LyX. Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy way to use the two simultaneously (one main reason is the SWP has its own TCIMACRO comment lines which perform various actions within the program that are not latex code). One of you will have to give in and use the other's favourite typesetting package. If anyone else has thoughts/experience/solutions, I would be interested. Regards, Ken
