RE: Forgetful - keyboard shortcuts needed please

[David Griffith]

I am not familiar with your keyboard. I personally, although using a 2011
IMac use and extended keyboard from I think 2004 as I much prefer it.
Anyway base on the 2011 keyboard and my classic version I think you may be
confusing the six pack cluster of keys with the numpad.  I do not know about
MBA or MBP layouts but on a normal keyboard the numpad does not have bespoke
home end page up and page down keys. These are instead, at least on my
keyboard held in the cluster above the main cursor keys to the left of the
numpad.

The easiest way though to tell for sure is to hit VO K to turn key describe
on and just hit your keys to hear their function. Press escape to return to
normal.

David Griffith



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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Freedman
Sent: 28 July 2012 23:23
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Forgetful - keyboard shortcuts needed please

Hi folks
I must be getting old because every time I try to switch completely from
Windows to IMac I forget shortcuts. help please with my setup:
Using the new BlueTooth IMac keyboard but with a nifty little bluetooth
numeric keypad that locks into the main keyboard.
Think I've got the NUMPAD layout set up correctly but can't work out which
combination of function key and numpad keys to use for Home, End, PageUp,
PageDown etc.

Any help welcomed please.
Dennis.

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Re: a remote, but slight possibility

[josh gregory]

Not initially, but if it could be downloaded

On 7/29/12, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
> Don't think so because you wouldn't have the actual webvism plugging right?
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>> sub-menu, in which was Firefox 11.0 for both windows and mac.
>>  Now, as far as I know, a user agent tricks a sight into thinking a
>> browser is something else than what it actually is, much like an
>> emulator is for video games. So, a question: With firefox as user
>> agent, could captcha solving be even remotely possible?
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Re: a remote, but slight possibility

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Don't think so because you wouldn't have the actual webvism plugging right?  
On Jul 29, 2012, at 1:27 AM, josh gregory  wrote:

> Hello;
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>  Now, as far as I know, a user agent tricks a sight into thinking a
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Re: Mail issue.

[Shaun Oliver]

I ended up having to re do my account settings. I managed to get it sorted out.

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> Once you are sitting on the folder, press vo+\ that is VO plus the backslash 
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> Robert Carter
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> On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
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>> has become hidden, and I don't quite know how to make it visible or 
>> accessible again. I can see my inbox, my sent items and the like, but when I 
>> go to open the gmail folder to access folders like personal and things, I 
>> can't seem to get mail to go there. moving through the mailboxes list 
>> doesn't allow me to navigate to them even though I can see the gmail folder 
>> with my trackpad.
>> any help would be appreciated.
>> Shaun
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Re: SuperDuper

[josh gregory]

I get confused, Is that the free one that has paid features?

On 7/29/12, Diane Bomar  wrote:
> Yes, it has been discussed, a lot, but not explained what was its purpose.
>
> Thanks for clarifying that. I am sure that took less time, than my sifting
> through archives. 
>
> If I needed more information, than what the app does, it would behoove me to
>
> look through archives.
> There is a lot of traffic on this list, and I appreciate it, immensely, but
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> some of us are relatively new to using Mac software, and it shouldn't be
> assumed that everyone knows the purpose of an app that is being discussed.
> Just a simple mention in the original thread that this app is a backup
> utility would suffice.
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> Thanks,
> Diane
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 5:12 AM
> Subject: Re: SuperDuper
>
>
>> Diane
>>
>> This has been discussed a lot in recent times on list.  It's a backup
>> utility.  If you need more you may like to search the list archives for
>> info.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> On 27 Jul 2012, at 12:04, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>>
>> Can someone please explain what this app does.
>> Thanks,
>> Diane
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "John Gunn" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:41 AM
>> Subject: SuperDuper
>>
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>>> For thos of you using SuperDuper a Mountain Lion ready version has been
>>> released.
>>>
>>> Works just the same and as usual, VO friendly.
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Re: SuperDuper

[Diane Bomar]

Yes, it has been discussed, a lot, but not explained what was its purpose.

Thanks for clarifying that. I am sure that took less time, than my sifting 
through archives. 


If I needed more information, than what the app does, it would behoove me to 
look through archives.
There is a lot of traffic on this list, and I appreciate it, immensely, but 
some of us are relatively new to using Mac software, and it shouldn't be 
assumed that everyone knows the purpose of an app that is being discussed. 
Just a simple mention in the original thread that this app is a backup 
utility would suffice.


Thanks,
Diane

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: SuperDuper



Diane

This has been discussed a lot in recent times on list.  It's a backup 
utility.  If you need more you may like to search the list archives for 
info.


Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 12:04, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Can someone please explain what this app does.
Thanks,
Diane

- Original Message - From: "John Gunn" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:41 AM
Subject: SuperDuper



Hello:

For thos of you using SuperDuper a Mountain Lion ready version has been 
released.


Works just the same and as usual, VO friendly.

John
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Andrea Breier]

The only thing I would add is that the settings for fleksy is under the main 
settings menu.  You can go in there and add favorites.  You just type 
telephone numbers of the people you text most.  Just type a phone number, 
then a comma then the next phone number and so on.  Then these shortcuts 
will show up in fleksy, as you flick to the right after composing your 
message.  Also in settings you can insert your phone number and email 
address, then fleksy will place a link in your texts or emails with a link 
at the end of either so that any other fleksy user can read your message 
then just click on the link and they will be automatically put into fleksy 
so that they can respond back to you.

I hope this makes since.


Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Ian McNamara

Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:00 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who 
may be struggling or need help with fleksy.


Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy.

1. open the app and it will say loading.

2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.


3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen 
where you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have 
to be accurate.


4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if 
it is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word 
that you meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do 
a swipe to the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a 
different part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you 
first typed.


5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the 
word and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question 
mark comma or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put 
in but not played with it yet.


Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over 
back on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can 
do with the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to 
do the action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a 
search for ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.


Hope this helps.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Mac and daisy?

[Sean Murphy]

Hello all.

Is there any Mac Daisy reader that will read Bookshare books? I want to read 
the text, not listen to it in audio.


Sean 
On 26/07/2012, at 7:29 PM, josh gregory wrote:

> Gordon: If all I'm looking to do is play the books, navigate and stuff
> like that, will Olaria do that?
> 
> On 7/26/12, David Griffith  wrote:
>> There is no problem with copying daisy books across to the player on the
>> Mac.
>> Just put your daisy CD in the drive.
>> Providing you have preferences set in Finder to show all drives then your
>> Daisy CD will show up on the desktop.
>> If it is an RNIB book it will be a long number beginning with 0.
>> Just press command c on the drive on the desktop  and copy it to the Daisy
>> Player of your choice. It is likely that your Dictaphone will also show up
>> as a drive, or if uses an SD card, ditto.
>> Any  mp3 player will also play the mp3 content of the Daisy book though not
>> necessarily in the correct chapter order, depending on how the book is
>> structured.
>> Of course  you could rename the mp3 files to ensure they are played in
>> correct order but this is a little time consuming. Most RNIB books nowadays
>> will play fine in a standard mp3 player as they appear to have stopped the
>> practice of scrambling the order of chapters.
>> The only other thing to note it that the RNIB daisy books are now
>> intolerant
>> of me renaming  the books from this long number to something more familiar.
>> I have only experienced this as a problem in the last year.
>> The way  I resolve this is to create a folder on the Mac in Finder  with a
>> more familiar book name and simply  copy the CD across into that folder.
>> David Griffith.
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Lovette Yewchan
>> Sent: 26 July 2012 04:41
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: mac and daisy?
>> 
>> HI there. I am wondering if you can insert a daisy cd into the mac and copy
>> the files to a digital recorder or do you need a daisy player on the mac
>> for
>> this to work?
>> THanks.
>> Lovette
>> 
>> On 2012-07-25, at 6:41 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> There are a couple of players currently that I know of, one is free and
>> one isn't.  Obviously you gets what you pays for, and personally I find
>> Olearia a bit restrictive in as much as it doesn't support libraries of
>> books, and there are quite a few other things it won't do.  But it's free
>> and you can find it here:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The other one is called "ReadHear" and is available from
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's a bit on the pricy side, and hasn't been updated in a million years.
>> That said, it does work, and very well.
>>> 
>>> The one area they don't cover is DAISY creation.  That can't really be
>> done on OS X unless you're prepared to accept a half-baked solution. There
>> is an OpenOffice plugin but I personally found it to be more trouble than
>> it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 22:20, josh gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, is there a way that mac can play daisy books, like from BARD? Thanks!
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Re: Mail issue.

[Robert Carter]

Hi, By default, mail collapses the gmail folder. To fix it, interact with the 
mailbox list and use VO and the arrow keys to move down to the gmail folder. 
Once you are sitting on the folder, press vo+\ that is VO plus the backslash 
key to uncollapse the folder. You will then see all of your gmail boxes again.

Robert Carter


On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

> Hi all, I'm trying to change folders on my mac. somehow, the gmail folder has 
> become hidden, and I don't quite know how to make it visible or accessible 
> again. I can see my inbox, my sent items and the like, but when I go to open 
> the gmail folder to access folders like personal and things, I can't seem to 
> get mail to go there. moving through the mailboxes list doesn't allow me to 
> navigate to them even though I can see the gmail folder with my trackpad.
> any help would be appreciated.
> Shaun
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Mail issue.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all, I'm trying to change folders on my mac. somehow, the gmail folder has 
become hidden, and I don't quite know how to make it visible or accessible 
again. I can see my inbox, my sent items and the like, but when I go to open 
the gmail folder to access folders like personal and things, I can't seem to 
get mail to go there. moving through the mailboxes list doesn't allow me to 
navigate to them even though I can see the gmail folder with my trackpad.
any help would be appreciated.
Shaun

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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re:burning mountain lion to disk]

[John Gunn]

Jeff:

After you make the drive bootable, go in to system preferences, startup disk 
and choose the drive.

Once you restart, wait for a couple of minutes, command-F5 and you are on your 
way.

John


On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Hi Esther and others,
> 
> Once my $6 8GB sd card arrives from Amazon, I intend to use that media to do 
> a clean installation of ML.
> 
>> From a little Googling, I learned that holding the option key during 
>> power-up presents a menu of bootable media.  I assume this menu would be 
>> presented before VO starts, so I'm wondering if there is a way (other than 
>> trial and error with the arrow keys) to bypass this menu and boot from my 
>> MBP's SD card slot, as one can for the DVD player via option-c?
> 
> TIA and best regards.
> Geoff
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Esther 
>  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was 
> Re:burning mountain lion to disk]
> 
> 
>  Hi All,
> 
>  The Apple Recovery Disk Assistant method is useful because it will work for 
> systems which come with the operating system (either Lion or Mountain Lion) 
> already installed -- for example, if you buy a new Mac, and want to make a 
> bootable recovery disk.  The method of using SuperDuper! to make a bootable 
> USB memory stick (or SD card, as Shaun asked about) requires you to have 
> purchased and downloaded an update from the Mac App Store.
> 
>  The information on using SuperDuper! can be found on John Panarese's 
> MacfortheBlind.com site:
>  http://macfortheblind.com/how-to-for-the-Mac-and-OS-X
>  Look under the heading "How To Make a Bootable Lion Install Disk on a USB 
> Thumb Drive"
> 
>  Another interesting point that Shaun's question about using an SD card 
> reminded me of -- the recent MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models come with an 
> SD card slot, so using this as a boot drive is particularly simple.  In fact, 
> there's an interesting KickStarter project on for "The Nifty MiniDrive".  
> It's for a device that lets you insert MicroSD cards into this slot, so you 
> can carry additional storage capacity with you in a way that sits flush 
> against the edge of your laptop, rather like the Sim card slots in the iPad. 
> This has the largest potential advantage for MacBook Air users, since the 
> hard drive storage capacity can't be increased after purchase.  They design 
> this for MicroSD cards so you can carry the cards entirely inside the laptop 
> without having regular SD cards extend outside the opening with the danger 
> that they will snap off if you leave them in the slot.  At present you can 
> buy 64 GB micro SD cards that work in the Nifty Minidrive, but the MicroSD 
> card forma
 t
>  i
>   n principle can be made for up to 2 Terabyte capacity.
> 
>  If you're interested, here's the URL for the Kickstarter Nifty MiniDrive 
> page:
>  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1342319572/the-nifty-minidrive
>  They've already raised pledges for 300 times their funding goal of $11,000 
> to make the device, and there's 5 more days to still accept project backers.
> 
>  HTH.  Cheers,
> 
>  Esther
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> That's exactly what the recovery tool is for Sarah.  It isn't necessary to 
>>> pre-format the drive as the partition is written block by block when you 
>>> attempt to write your boot device.  Sean, Try the recovery tool and point 
>>> it to your flash card and see what happens.  If the flash card isn't listed 
>>> in valid install devices, then it isn't going to work.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
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Re: Fn+Arrow Keys for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down on Mac laptop keyboards [was Re: Forgetful - keyboard shortcuts needed please]

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Thanks Esther. A lot to think about there – I will play tomorrow. Dennis.

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On 29 Jul 2012, at 01:27, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "new BlueTooth IMac keyboard but with a nifty 
> little bluetooth numeric keypad that locks into the main keyboard." I think 
> you mean that you're using an Apple Wireless Keyboard and that maybe you have 
> something like the Cropmark LMP Bluetooth Keypad attached to it.  If this is 
> the case, then you're asking what the standard Mac laptop shortcuts are for 
> Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down, since the Apple Wireless Keyboard is 
> exactly like the MacBook Pro keyboard, and is almost exactly like the MacBook 
> Air keyboards.  (Since 2011 the MacBook Air keyboards removed the "eject" 
> key, which was on the F12 key of earlier MBA models; there's no space for a 
> separate power button above the top row of keys.)
> 
> You access these keys by pressing the arrow keys in combination with the "Fn" 
> key in the bottom left corner of the keyboard.  The bottom row of keys are: 
> Fn Ctrl Option Cmd Space bar Cmd Option and then the half-height arrow keys 
> in an inverted T shape.
> Fn+Left Arrow   "Home"
> Fn+Right Arrow  "End"
> Fn+Up Arrow "Page Up"
> Fn+Down Arrow   "Page Down"
> 
> Other combinations are:
> Fn+Delete   "Forward Delete" (character)
> Fn+Option+Delete   "Forward Delete" (word)
> Fn+Return   "Enter"
> 
> This means that on a laptop if you want to go to the first element of a list, 
> table, or web page (such as in the Mail Messages table), the command 
> VO+Shift+Home is VO+Fn+Shift+Left Arrow, and moving to the last element with 
> VO+Shift+End is VO+Fn+Shift+Right Arrow.  (Without the Shift key you are 
> simply moving to the first or last "visible" element, which might not be the 
> true beginning or end of a table).
> 
> On my laptops I use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle through the three sections of the 
> Dock: Applications, Files & Folders, and Trash.  You can use Fn+Up Arrow to 
> cycle through in the reverse direction, or you can add a press of the Shift 
> key with either of these shortcut key combinations to reverse the direction.  
> I also use Fn+Left Arrow to the move to the first Application in the Dock and 
> Fn+Right Arrow to move to the Trash.
> 
> You can also select text by blocks of pages with Shift+Fn+Down Arrow or Up 
> Arrow, which is different from selecting from the present position to the 
> bottom or top of a document (Shift+Command+Down Arrow or Up Arrow).
> 
> My experience with the Bluetooth numeric keypad is that when first paired I 
> could use NumPad Commander combinations, but as soon as I needed to use a key 
> like "escape" on the regular wireless keyboard -- for example, if I had 
> turned on keyboard help mode with VO+k, and now wanted to exit this mode -- I 
> could only use the unmodified NumPad Commander combinations.  Let me know if 
> this is not the case.  The issue, I believe, is that keyboards on the Mac are 
> identified by pressing certain keys, assuming that a full keyboard is 
> present.  And I think that when I press the "Escape" key on the regular Apple 
> Wireless Keyboard, the system somehow thinks that this is a keyboard without 
> a numeric keypad.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Dennis Freedman wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks
>> I must be getting old because every time I try to switch completely from 
>> Windows to IMac I forget shortcuts. help please with my setup:
>> Using the new BlueTooth IMac keyboard but with a nifty little bluetooth 
>> numeric keypad that locks into the main keyboard.
>> Think I've got the NUMPAD layout set up correctly but can't work out which 
>> combination of function key and numpad keys to use for Home, End, PageUp, 
>> PageDown etc.
>> 
>> Any help welcomed please.
>> Dennis.
>> 
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Sarah Alawami]

I believe I did.  even after the clean install, nothing. I'll try it again 
though in a day or to. This is frustrating as all get out. and should not need 
to be done. Will try if I remember to keep you all posted.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Did you also try closing all apps, deleting the plist files for storeagent 
> and appstore, and restarting your Mac?  That's really what I thought should 
> clear up Paul's problem.  (Detailed instruction given in the second half of 
> my post.)
> 
> The relevant files are in your user account's Library preferences folder:
> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.storeagent.plist
> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.appstore.plist
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I already tried this and it did not work. This from a clean install, twice. 
>> 
>> Yeah the hiding purchases thing works, but I want to install the apps lol! 
>> or at least some of them and I sort of can't.
>> 
>> I'm hoping apple will fix this as i will not be able to use evernote until 
>> they fix tis. Yes I could migrate but not all of us have a back up  drive to 
>> migrate to or they might be installing ml on a clean drive. I will keep 
>> these instructions in mind in case my app store ever goes poof.
>> 
>> Take care all and hope this gets fixed.
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul, Sarah, and Others,
>>> 
>>> I did some research, and there's an Apple Support document about "Hiding 
>>> and Unhiding Purchases":
>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4928
>>> 
>>> This is supposed to cover the case where you delete purchases and can't 
>>> find them again, but it doesn't quite sound like your problem.  (Also, the 
>>> document is dated October 2011, so I don't know whether Mountain Lion 
>>> changes things).  When I tried this on my system (still on Lion) there was, 
>>> indeed, a "hide" button in the App Store purchases list (column 4 of 5), 
>>> and pressing it made the item go away entirely (no dimmed button; it simply 
>>> no longer showed up in the list of purchased items). I was able to unhide 
>>> items by following the directions in the support document:
>>> 
>>> 1. Open the Mac App Store.
>>> 2. Choose Store > Sign In, and enter your Apple ID and password.
>>> 3. Choose Store > View My Account.
>>> 4. Click on View Hidden Purchases from the Account Information page. 
>>> 
>>> This was useful to know and it seems worth posting in case someone else 
>>> hits this issue,  but doesn't seem to fix your problem. 
>>> 
>>> My guess is that the preference files for the App Store somehow got 
>>> corrupted on your system.  I'd try quitting all applications, then either 
>>> deleting or moving the two plist to your Desktop or other location, and 
>>> rebooting.  When you open the App Store again it should recreate the 
>>> entries with the correct (updated) information.  If not, you can always 
>>> move the old plist files back to their original location.
>>> 
>>> The relevant files are in your user account's Library preferences folder:
>>> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.storeagent.plist
>>> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.appstore.plist
>>> 
>>> You probably should quit all applications on your Mac (to include ones that 
>>> might have been purchased through the App Store), delete or move the two 
>>> files listed above (e.g., use the Command-Shift-G "Go to folder" shortcut 
>>> in Finder to go to your Library/Preferences folder).  If you do this in one 
>>> step remember to type the leading tilde character that indicates your home 
>>> directory, followed by a slash, and then "Library", then slash, then 
>>> "Preferences".  If you do this in two steps, use Command-Shift-H to go to 
>>> your home directory, then use Command-Shift-G and type 
>>> "Library/Preferences" into the text field with no slash at the beginning 
>>> needed -- just the slash between "Library and "Preferences".  Once inthat 
>>> folder find the two plist files to delete or move. Then reboot your Mac and 
>>> check that your "Purchases" and "Updates" now look correct.
>>> 
>>> HTH. Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Esther]

Hi Sarah,

Did you also try closing all apps, deleting the plist files for storeagent and 
appstore, and restarting your Mac?  That's really what I thought should clear 
up Paul's problem.  (Detailed instruction given in the second half of my post.)

The relevant files are in your user account's Library preferences folder:
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.storeagent.plist
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.appstore.plist

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I already tried this and it did not work. This from a clean install, twice. 
> 
> Yeah the hiding purchases thing works, but I want to install the apps lol! or 
> at least some of them and I sort of can't.
> 
> I'm hoping apple will fix this as i will not be able to use evernote until 
> they fix tis. Yes I could migrate but not all of us have a back up  drive to 
> migrate to or they might be installing ml on a clean drive. I will keep these 
> instructions in mind in case my app store ever goes poof.
> 
> Take care all and hope this gets fixed.
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul, Sarah, and Others,
>> 
>> I did some research, and there's an Apple Support document about "Hiding and 
>> Unhiding Purchases":
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4928
>> 
>> This is supposed to cover the case where you delete purchases and can't find 
>> them again, but it doesn't quite sound like your problem.  (Also, the 
>> document is dated October 2011, so I don't know whether Mountain Lion 
>> changes things).  When I tried this on my system (still on Lion) there was, 
>> indeed, a "hide" button in the App Store purchases list (column 4 of 5), and 
>> pressing it made the item go away entirely (no dimmed button; it simply no 
>> longer showed up in the list of purchased items). I was able to unhide items 
>> by following the directions in the support document:
>> 
>>  1. Open the Mac App Store.
>>  2. Choose Store > Sign In, and enter your Apple ID and password.
>>  3. Choose Store > View My Account.
>>  4. Click on View Hidden Purchases from the Account Information page. 
>> 
>> This was useful to know and it seems worth posting in case someone else hits 
>> this issue,  but doesn't seem to fix your problem. 
>> 
>> My guess is that the preference files for the App Store somehow got 
>> corrupted on your system.  I'd try quitting all applications, then either 
>> deleting or moving the two plist to your Desktop or other location, and 
>> rebooting.  When you open the App Store again it should recreate the entries 
>> with the correct (updated) information.  If not, you can always move the old 
>> plist files back to their original location.
>> 
>> The relevant files are in your user account's Library preferences folder:
>> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.storeagent.plist
>> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.appstore.plist
>> 
>> You probably should quit all applications on your Mac (to include ones that 
>> might have been purchased through the App Store), delete or move the two 
>> files listed above (e.g., use the Command-Shift-G "Go to folder" shortcut in 
>> Finder to go to your Library/Preferences folder).  If you do this in one 
>> step remember to type the leading tilde character that indicates your home 
>> directory, followed by a slash, and then "Library", then slash, then 
>> "Preferences".  If you do this in two steps, use Command-Shift-H to go to 
>> your home directory, then use Command-Shift-G and type "Library/Preferences" 
>> into the text field with no slash at the beginning needed -- just the slash 
>> between "Library and "Preferences".  Once inthat folder find the two plist 
>> files to delete or move. Then reboot your Mac and check that your 
>> "Purchases" and "Updates" now look correct.
>> 
>> HTH. Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 

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Fn+Arrow Keys for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down on Mac laptop keyboards [was Re: Forgetful - keyboard shortcuts needed please]

[Esther]

Hi Dennis,

I'm not sure what you mean by "new BlueTooth IMac keyboard but with a nifty 
little bluetooth numeric keypad that locks into the main keyboard." I think you 
mean that you're using an Apple Wireless Keyboard and that maybe you have 
something like the Cropmark LMP Bluetooth Keypad attached to it.  If this is 
the case, then you're asking what the standard Mac laptop shortcuts are for 
Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down, since the Apple Wireless Keyboard is exactly 
like the MacBook Pro keyboard, and is almost exactly like the MacBook Air 
keyboards.  (Since 2011 the MacBook Air keyboards removed the "eject" key, 
which was on the F12 key of earlier MBA models; there's no space for a separate 
power button above the top row of keys.)

You access these keys by pressing the arrow keys in combination with the "Fn" 
key in the bottom left corner of the keyboard.  The bottom row of keys are: Fn 
Ctrl Option Cmd Space bar Cmd Option and then the half-height arrow keys in an 
inverted T shape.
Fn+Left Arrow   "Home"
Fn+Right Arrow  "End"
Fn+Up Arrow "Page Up"
Fn+Down Arrow   "Page Down"

Other combinations are:
Fn+Delete   "Forward Delete" (character)
Fn+Option+Delete   "Forward Delete" (word)
Fn+Return   "Enter"

This means that on a laptop if you want to go to the first element of a list, 
table, or web page (such as in the Mail Messages table), the command 
VO+Shift+Home is VO+Fn+Shift+Left Arrow, and moving to the last element with 
VO+Shift+End is VO+Fn+Shift+Right Arrow.  (Without the Shift key you are simply 
moving to the first or last "visible" element, which might not be the true 
beginning or end of a table).

On my laptops I use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle through the three sections of the 
Dock: Applications, Files & Folders, and Trash.  You can use Fn+Up Arrow to 
cycle through in the reverse direction, or you can add a press of the Shift key 
with either of these shortcut key combinations to reverse the direction.  I 
also use Fn+Left Arrow to the move to the first Application in the Dock and 
Fn+Right Arrow to move to the Trash.

You can also select text by blocks of pages with Shift+Fn+Down Arrow or Up 
Arrow, which is different from selecting from the present position to the 
bottom or top of a document (Shift+Command+Down Arrow or Up Arrow).

My experience with the Bluetooth numeric keypad is that when first paired I 
could use NumPad Commander combinations, but as soon as I needed to use a key 
like "escape" on the regular wireless keyboard -- for example, if I had turned 
on keyboard help mode with VO+k, and now wanted to exit this mode -- I could 
only use the unmodified NumPad Commander combinations.  Let me know if this is 
not the case.  The issue, I believe, is that keyboards on the Mac are 
identified by pressing certain keys, assuming that a full keyboard is present.  
And I think that when I press the "Escape" key on the regular Apple Wireless 
Keyboard, the system somehow thinks that this is a keyboard without a numeric 
keypad.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Dennis Freedman wrote:

> Hi folks
> I must be getting old because every time I try to switch completely from 
> Windows to IMac I forget shortcuts. help please with my setup:
> Using the new BlueTooth IMac keyboard but with a nifty little bluetooth 
> numeric keypad that locks into the main keyboard.
> Think I've got the NUMPAD layout set up correctly but can't work out which 
> combination of function key and numpad keys to use for Home, End, PageUp, 
> PageDown etc.
> 
> Any help welcomed please.
> Dennis.
> 

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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Sarah Alawami]

I already tried this and it did not work. This from a clean install, twice. 

Yeah the hiding purchases thing works, but I want to install the apps lol! or 
at least some of them and I sort of can't.

I'm hoping apple will fix this as i will not be able to use evernote until they 
fix tis. Yes I could migrate but not all of us have a back up  drive to migrate 
to or they might be installing ml on a clean drive. I will keep these 
instructions in mind in case my app store ever goes poof.

Take care all and hope this gets fixed.

On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Paul, Sarah, and Others,
> 
> I did some research, and there's an Apple Support document about "Hiding and 
> Unhiding Purchases":
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4928
> 
> This is supposed to cover the case where you delete purchases and can't find 
> them again, but it doesn't quite sound like your problem.  (Also, the 
> document is dated October 2011, so I don't know whether Mountain Lion changes 
> things).  When I tried this on my system (still on Lion) there was, indeed, a 
> "hide" button in the App Store purchases list (column 4 of 5), and pressing 
> it made the item go away entirely (no dimmed button; it simply no longer 
> showed up in the list of purchased items). I was able to unhide items by 
> following the directions in the support document:
> 
>   1. Open the Mac App Store.
>   2. Choose Store > Sign In, and enter your Apple ID and password.
>   3. Choose Store > View My Account.
>   4. Click on View Hidden Purchases from the Account Information page. 
> 
> This was useful to know and it seems worth posting in case someone else hits 
> this issue,  but doesn't seem to fix your problem. 
> 
> My guess is that the preference files for the App Store somehow got corrupted 
> on your system.  I'd try quitting all applications, then either deleting or 
> moving the two plist to your Desktop or other location, and rebooting.  When 
> you open the App Store again it should recreate the entries with the correct 
> (updated) information.  If not, you can always move the old plist files back 
> to their original location.
> 
> The relevant files are in your user account's Library preferences folder:
> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.storeagent.plist
> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.appstore.plist
> 
> You probably should quit all applications on your Mac (to include ones that 
> might have been purchased through the App Store), delete or move the two 
> files listed above (e.g., use the Command-Shift-G "Go to folder" shortcut in 
> Finder to go to your Library/Preferences folder).  If you do this in one step 
> remember to type the leading tilde character that indicates your home 
> directory, followed by a slash, and then "Library", then slash, then 
> "Preferences".  If you do this in two steps, use Command-Shift-H to go to 
> your home directory, then use Command-Shift-G and type "Library/Preferences" 
> into the text field with no slash at the beginning needed -- just the slash 
> between "Library and "Preferences".  Once inthat folder find the two plist 
> files to delete or move. Then reboot your Mac and check that your "Purchases" 
> and "Updates" now look correct.
> 
> HTH. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: Message on mountain lion issue resolved.

[Sarah Alawami]

Cool deal.  Yeah sometimes I end up solving my issues the writing  t the list 
explaiign what happened and how I solved it lol!.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:

> It's typical that just after I ask for assistance, I sort out my issue even 
> though I couldn't for the few days previously to me asking. Sorry all for 
> waisting peoples time and patients so early on.
> Some how I had activated the google chat function. I didn't even know it 
> existed actually. Now that I've deactivated talk.google.com my iMessage texts 
> are sending and I can get on and learn the inns and outs of message.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Danny:
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Ian McNamara]

Hi, i use fleksy with one finger and type very fast on it now. I have never 
tried touch typing with two hands on the IPhone, I always thought that the 
screen would be to small to touch type on the IPhone or IPod touch.

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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re:burning mountain lion to disk]

[Esther]

Hi Geoff,

I haven't tried booting from an SD card, but the way it works for bootable 
attached drives (as opposed to DVD/CD drives) when you boot up holding the 
Option key is that you're focused on your regular Macintosh HD, and any press 
of the right or left arrow key cycles you to the next bootable device.

Usually, I have only one other bootable drive attached, so it doesn't matter 
whether I press the right or left arrow key -- the first press changes focus to 
the other drive, and the second press takes me back to Macintosh HD.  If you 
have multiple bootable drives attached when you boot up holding the Option key, 
then you cycle through the list of drive with each key press. You're supposed 
to be able to drag and drop the drives into a preference order so that your 
first press of the right arrow key selects the top preferred alternative boot 
drive, then the next press of right arrow selects your second preferred 
alternative boot drive, and if you only have three boot drives, a third press 
would take you back to Macintosh HD -- your default boot drive.  As Sarah said, 
you can just press and arrow key and then press return to figure out which is 
which. (She must have a lot of drives attached, or have partitioned her drive 
into multiple bootable sections *grin*)   For the rest of 
 us, just wait a bit after holding down the Option key at boot up, then press 
your right arrow key once to change the boot drive, then press return.   When I 
use Carbon Copy Cloner I give my bootable clones a name -- or else I think it 
comes up with the manufacturer's name for the drive.  So once you've booted up, 
you can tell that the "other" mounted drive is "Macintosh HD" if you've booted 
from the clone.  You should also be able to tell if there are no user files 
directly mounted that you're in the SD drive, I think.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Not that I'm aware of. I just try and memorize which is what. Clumsy but it 
> works. it would be nice to have it boot from the card reader but via a key 
> holding down, but allas not yet.
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Hi Esther and others,
>> 
>> Once my $6 8GB sd card arrives from Amazon, I intend to use that media to do 
>> a clean installation of ML.
>> 
>> From a little Googling, I learned that holding the option key during 
>> power-up presents a menu of bootable media.  I assume this menu would be 
>> presented before VO starts, so I'm wondering if there is a way (other than 
>> trial and error with the arrow keys) to bypass this menu and boot from my 
>> MBP's SD card slot, as one can for the DVD player via option-c?
>> 
>> TIA and best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 

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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

[Thomas McMahan]

Hi Gordon, the install dmg does turn out to be my old Lion one, glad you 
pointed that out to me, had forgotten that I had intentionally put the M L one 
at another place until I can back it up on thumb drive, in other words not at a 
place where I am likely to drop it in trash or something like that.  I checked 
it and it is the 4.35 gb package, and this other one was my Lion one, which at 
this point I guess would have little use for.  

As for the hardware validation and control, doesn't surprise me one bit, and I 
like you don't have very good feelings about that.  Don't mind the validation 
to a degree, but to use that as a major control factor to force customers to 
buy only their product where they can intentionally inflate prices is wrong.  
Going for the mark up might bring you money in the short term, but can kill in 
the long term.  Didn't Apple get burned with some of that in the late 80s early 
90s in the question of whether to allow cloning or not?  Apple didn't allow, 
and Big Blue did and that is why there are so many of their look a likes around 
even though Apple had the better product, the volume just pounded them.  But 
that discussion is more of a business strategy discussion and not really 
germane to the list, so I guess I will take my punishment *lol*.   

However, the validation of hardware would explain why my external cd burner 
would work for some time then stopped working on my old power pc.  As upgrades 
would come along I guess it would verify what I was doing.  To bad it didn't 
verify that my cd drive wasn't working anymore, well ejecting it didn't work 
anymore *lol*.  If I'm lucky it might read from it but forget burning on either 
one of them.  Seems more if it says "unsupported" chances are it means "this 
aint going to happen for you."  Well just bought me a junk Windows laptop and 
used it for burning instead until I got the new machine here.  Took some time 
and some good breaks to save up for it but got it done.  Hopefully it will last 
10 years like the old power pc will have done when December comes along this 
year.  And yes it does work fine except for the cd drive's tray, and of course 
the fact that it can no longer upgrade past Tiger.  
On Jul 28, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Thomas
> 
> There's no such thing as a "compressed" .dmg image.  Not, at least, in this 
> context.  A disk image is just like an .iso image used in other operating 
> systems. Neither is compressed. The files are exactly as they would be if you 
> were to open a folder. That is how you're able to mount the image without the 
> need for decompression utilities.
> 
> I would suggest that if you have an installdvd.dmg on your desktop, it's most 
> likely Lion.  The Mountain Lion disk image is indeed 4.35 GB which is too 
> large for a single-layer DVD.  Apple is moving away from physical media boot 
> systems in favor of either USB thumb drives or Internet-based operating 
> system downloads.
> 
> For example, if you boot the new Mac Minis and have a blank hard drive, 
> there's a firmware-based recovery assistant which allows you to download the 
> operating system via the Internet subject to a valid Apple ID and hardware 
> verification.  Apple is also now much more strictly validating hardware in 
> your machines.  For instance, if you have a non-Apple authorized memory 
> module or two in your machine, even if they meet the technical specifications 
> which Apple uses precisely, the hardware validation can fail and you won't be 
> able to download the operating system via the recovery mechanism.  The same 
> is true if you change the hard drive in your machine and or use SDD media in 
> its place.  The media has to be validated and authorized by Apple otherwise 
> the recovery process can fail.
> 
> This is something which most people are probably not aware of, but all the 
> same it is now true.  So, for instance, the "Lion Disk Maker" which Sarah has 
> recently discussed is now obsolete, as I also said in a recent reply to 
> Sarah's message.  You can no longer create a DVD of the operating system, as 
> the disk image contents in the package are too large.  This is no accident.
> 
> Apple really is squeezing the process tightly now, so be mindful of this if 
> you ever want to change your hardware configuration.  To be honest, I really 
> find Apple's policies of hardware validation disgusting.  They are 
> effectively telling their customers that, if they want to upgrade memory or 
> hard drives, they must do so using Apple-authorised components, paying 
> Apple's massively inflated prices.
> 
> Now, all that having been said, our machines do have hardware in them which 
> we didn't purchase from Apple.  I performed memory upgrades on 8 of our 9 Mac 
> Minis.  They all now have 8GB of RAM which I bought in bulk earlier this year 
> from Crucial.  That memory seems to satisfy the validation process.  What I 
> talk about above is information which I was given by an app

Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Esther]

Hi Gordon and Others,

Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis mentioned 
as David "Woodbridge":
• Fleksy release demo July 2012:
http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/
Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at:
http://tffp.marrie.org/486

As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has additional 
features for using symbols and corrections for some of the version 1 
limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other fixes, may be 
found in the app.  Probably the most important information is to keep typing 
without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume that the app will 
identify the word you typed in one of the selections that you flick through.  
Occasionally there will just be certain words that aren't in it's dictionary, 
and you will have to slowly type and add these in. Or certain long, and 
complicated words will better be entered if you carefully find the first few 
letters, then revert to just "guessing" the positions of the other letters. 

I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll 
find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard 
occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so you 
have to "exaggerate" the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to use 
this at present.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote:

> Hi Gordon
> 
> I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, 
> but I'm sure you'll find it if not.
> 
> Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
> need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is 
> needed, with apologies to others on the list.
> 
> I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
> pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to 
> imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where 
> you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, 
> go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so 
> lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings 
> app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 
> 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be.
> 
> So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape 
> mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using 
> the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the 
> keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at you 
> to show no more text to delete).
> Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
> fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.
> 
> With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little 
> way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press 
> where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on the 
> left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard and 
> immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but should 
> here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up when 
> typing in a noisy environment).
> 
> Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left but 
> a little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the bottom 
> row would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much easier if 
> you are actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the hang of it 
> if you're not.
> 
> Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right instead 
> of pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). This 
> brings up the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word should 
> be 'bananas'. Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. No need to 
> press anything. After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. If it gess 
> the word wrong, flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; Up if you 
> pass the word.
> 
> And you're on your way.
> 
> As said, if you need practical help, Gordon, message or email me and we can 
> set up a Skype call on Sunday.
> 
> As with anything, it does take practice.
> 
> How many of you like me remember how frustrating it was the first time you 
> tried to use an I-device? It took me days to get anywhere with it really, 
> although I think some of us may not want to admit that.
> 
> Dennis.
> 
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Esther]

Hi Paul, Sarah, and Others,

I did some research, and there's an Apple Support document about "Hiding and 
Unhiding Purchases":
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4928

This is supposed to cover the case where you delete purchases and can't find 
them again, but it doesn't quite sound like your problem.  (Also, the document 
is dated October 2011, so I don't know whether Mountain Lion changes things).  
When I tried this on my system (still on Lion) there was, indeed, a "hide" 
button in the App Store purchases list (column 4 of 5), and pressing it made 
the item go away entirely (no dimmed button; it simply no longer showed up in 
the list of purchased items). I was able to unhide items by following the 
directions in the support document:

1. Open the Mac App Store.
2. Choose Store > Sign In, and enter your Apple ID and password.
3. Choose Store > View My Account.
4. Click on View Hidden Purchases from the Account Information page. 

This was useful to know and it seems worth posting in case someone else hits 
this issue,  but doesn't seem to fix your problem. 

My guess is that the preference files for the App Store somehow got corrupted 
on your system.  I'd try quitting all applications, then either deleting or 
moving the two plist to your Desktop or other location, and rebooting.  When 
you open the App Store again it should recreate the entries with the correct 
(updated) information.  If not, you can always move the old plist files back to 
their original location.

The relevant files are in your user account's Library preferences folder:
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.storeagent.plist
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.appstore.plist

You probably should quit all applications on your Mac (to include ones that 
might have been purchased through the App Store), delete or move the two files 
listed above (e.g., use the Command-Shift-G "Go to folder" shortcut in Finder 
to go to your Library/Preferences folder).  If you do this in one step remember 
to type the leading tilde character that indicates your home directory, 
followed by a slash, and then "Library", then slash, then "Preferences".  If 
you do this in two steps, use Command-Shift-H to go to your home directory, 
then use Command-Shift-G and type "Library/Preferences" into the text field 
with no slash at the beginning needed -- just the slash between "Library and 
"Preferences".  Once inthat folder find the two plist files to delete or move. 
Then reboot your Mac and check that your "Purchases" and "Updates" now look 
correct.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

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Re: saving birthday information in adress book

[Sarah Alawami]

No i believe you save it in the calendar. then you can have it remind you. but 
since I don't really wish anyone a happy birthday as I always forget to add 
said birthdays you will have to find the birthdays calendar and try and add 
them.

I don't know how to set the notifications unto do this but I know it can be 
done as I'v seen it whilst on skype with someone who did just this.

Take care.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi there!
> In address book go to the menu vo+m or Control+f2 and arrow to card and down 
> arrow to add field sub menu and in there is birthday as well as others!
> I suppose there will be a version in the contacts on Mountain Kitty!
> Colin
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 22:42, krystal watson wrote:
> 
>> is it possible to save contacts birthday information in address book or 
>> contacts if so where do you save it? like there is no field for it thanks 
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Re: saving birthday information in adress book

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Hi there!
In address book go to the menu vo+m or Control+f2 and arrow to card and down 
arrow to add field sub menu and in there is birthday as well as others!
I suppose there will be a version in the contacts on Mountain Kitty!
Colin

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> contacts if so where do you save it? like there is no field for it thanks for 
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Dennis Freedman]

Hi Gordon

I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, but 
I'm sure you'll find it if not.

Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is needed, 
with apologies to others on the list.

I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to imagine 
the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where you think 
the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, go from 
there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so lock Fleksy 
in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings app. But I 
know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 'guessing' roughly 
where the qwerty keys would be.

So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape mode 
according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using the fact 
that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the keyboard's 
the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at you to show no 
more text to delete).
Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.

With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little way 
up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press where you 
think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on the left side 
of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard and immediately 
lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but should here a slight 
keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up when typing in a noisy 
environment).

Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left but a 
little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the bottom row 
would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much easier if you are 
actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the hang of it if you're 
not.

Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right instead of 
pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). This brings up 
the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word should be 'bananas'. 
Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. No need to press anything. 
After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. If it gess the word wrong, 
flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; Up if you pass the word.

And you're on your way.

As said, if you need practical help, Gordon, message or email me and we can set 
up a Skype call on Sunday.

As with anything, it does take practice.

How many of you like me remember how frustrating it was the first time you 
tried to use an I-device? It took me days to get anywhere with it really, 
although I think some of us may not want to admit that.

Dennis.


On 28 Jul 2012, at 15:27, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
> stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
> to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  But I am tired of 
> having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is 
> rich in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I try to dictate 
> messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes 
> errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
> 
> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
> Fleksy comes into play.
> 
> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
> gor...@mac-access.net
> Thank you in advance.
> 
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Re: Voiceover changes in Mountain lion

[josh gregory]

It has been for me, but maybe it's different for each person. When
you've done that, press the function key twice. you'll hear a little
ding sound, that lets you know you can start speaking. When you're
done, press it again, and it'll insert what you typed.

On 7/28/12, william lomas  wrote:
> go in to preferences and speech and dictation settings and turn it on. it is
> not that accurate to be honest
>
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 12:55, krystal watson 
> wrote:
>
>> how do you use dictation i can't find it
>> On 28/07/2012, at 10:07 AM, josh gregory  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, from what I have seen, they have changed the pitch of the voice
>>> went capitalizing and deleting characters. When capitalizing a
>>> character, the voice is raised, but when deleting a character, it is
>>> lowered. I am also a big fan of the dictation feature, I have grown to
>>> like it a lot. Hopefully they will put Facebook in here soon, I have
>>> seen support for Twitter but not Facebook. Does anyone know if it is
>>> in here and I haven't seen it yet? Thanks!
>>> Josh
>>>
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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re:burning mountain lion to disk]

[Sarah Alawami]

Not that I'm aware of. I just try and memorize which is what. Clumsy but it 
works. it would be nice to have it boot from the card reader but via a key 
holding down, but allas not yet.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Hi Esther and others,
> 
> Once my $6 8GB sd card arrives from Amazon, I intend to use that media to do 
> a clean installation of ML.
> 
> From a little Googling, I learned that holding the option key during power-up 
> presents a menu of bootable media.  I assume this menu would be presented 
> before VO starts, so I'm wondering if there is a way (other than trial and 
> error with the arrow keys) to bypass this menu and boot from my MBP's SD card 
> slot, as one can for the DVD player via option-c?
> 
> TIA and best regards.
> Geoff
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Esther 
>  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was 
> Re:burning mountain lion to disk]
> 
> 
>  Hi All,
> 
>  The Apple Recovery Disk Assistant method is useful because it will work for 
> systems which come with the operating system (either Lion or Mountain Lion) 
> already installed -- for example, if you buy a new Mac, and want to make a 
> bootable recovery disk.  The method of using SuperDuper! to make a bootable 
> USB memory stick (or SD card, as Shaun asked about) requires you to have 
> purchased and downloaded an update from the Mac App Store.
> 
>  The information on using SuperDuper! can be found on John Panarese's 
> MacfortheBlind.com site:
>  http://macfortheblind.com/how-to-for-the-Mac-and-OS-X
>  Look under the heading "How To Make a Bootable Lion Install Disk on a USB 
> Thumb Drive"
> 
>  Another interesting point that Shaun's question about using an SD card 
> reminded me of -- the recent MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models come with an 
> SD card slot, so using this as a boot drive is particularly simple.  In fact, 
> there's an interesting KickStarter project on for "The Nifty MiniDrive".  
> It's for a device that lets you insert MicroSD cards into this slot, so you 
> can carry additional storage capacity with you in a way that sits flush 
> against the edge of your laptop, rather like the Sim card slots in the iPad. 
> This has the largest potential advantage for MacBook Air users, since the 
> hard drive storage capacity can't be increased after purchase.  They design 
> this for MicroSD cards so you can carry the cards entirely inside the laptop 
> without having regular SD cards extend outside the opening with the danger 
> that they will snap off if you leave them in the slot.  At present you can 
> buy 64 GB micro SD cards that work in the Nifty Minidrive, but the MicroSD 
> card forma
 t
>  i
>   n principle can be made for up to 2 Terabyte capacity.
> 
>  If you're interested, here's the URL for the Kickstarter Nifty MiniDrive 
> page:
>  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1342319572/the-nifty-minidrive
>  They've already raised pledges for 300 times their funding goal of $11,000 
> to make the device, and there's 5 more days to still accept project backers.
> 
>  HTH.  Cheers,
> 
>  Esther
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> That's exactly what the recovery tool is for Sarah.  It isn't necessary to 
>>> pre-format the drive as the partition is written block by block when you 
>>> attempt to write your boot device.  Sean, Try the recovery tool and point 
>>> it to your flash card and see what happens.  If the flash card isn't listed 
>>> in valid install devices, then it isn't going to work.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
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Re: Clearing the cache files for an app

[Sarah Alawami]

What app is this, maybe someone who has the app installed can give directions 
as to where the cached files are.

Thanks.
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> I tried to send this a few days ago, but I don't know if it actually went 
> through. I'm using an app that I need to totally start over with. It has 
> cache files and it says I need to clear them. I've never done this. I looked 
> for them using the name of the app, but that didn't seem to work. I don't 
> know where they should be and what they will be called.
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Sarah Alawami]

Yeah same for me. I hear the pop sound when I try and click the installed 
dimmed button. I don't want to create a new account so hopefully apple can and 
will fix this with a service pack or what ever it's called in the apple world. 
lol!
On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hi Esther, 
> Pressing the dimmed "Installed" button does nothing. I did try the update 
> option for the App store but that said that no updates were available. 
> 
> Am I correct in thinking that Lion let you re-install items previously 
> purchased from the Mac Ap store? 
> 
> I could create a new App Store account as you suggest but that seems over the 
> top. instead I have recovered a growl.app from my time machine backup and run 
> that. It is growl 1.4 as desired but I don't think it has installed fully as 
> the growl icon is not present in system preferences. Looking at the package 
> contents for growl.app I found a launch growl.app which let me enter the 
> growl preferences. This is all a bit of a hack but hopefully it will do the 
> job. 
> Best regards
> 
> Paul Hopewell
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 21:19, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> Does clicking on the dimmed button do anything? (Is it possible that the 
>> announcement of "dimmed" doesn't reflect true status?)  What happens when 
>> you choose the "Updates" menu instead?  I'd guess that if an app were 
>> purchased, but you somehow deleted it, the "Purchased" menu entry would be 
>> dimmed but if it were updated since it was deleted it would have an active 
>> button in the "Updates" menu.  Since Growl had a version update just last 
>> month, this should work. 
>> 
>> Short of that, the only thing I can think of is to create another account 
>> that you associate with your iTunes ID for the Mac App Store.  That should 
>> count as one of your iTunes account activations, but it should treat this as 
>> though you were starting up on a new computer -- everything should be 
>> downloadable.  A bit weird if you have to move a downloaded app that way, 
>> though.
>> 
>> This does bring up another potential issue about the Mac App Store: like the 
>> App Store for your iPhone, apps can come and go.  I believe that the new 
>> version 4 of TextExpander won't be offered in the Mac App Store, because it 
>> doesn't meet the requirements for sandboxing.  
>> 
>> And I'm also wondering about differences between the version of DVDRemaster 
>> Pro sold through the Mac App Store and the ones that were purchased outside 
>> the App Store now that version 8 has arrived.  It sounds as though 
>> Fairmount, the program that you need to deal with encryption (if you don't 
>> have the relevant bit of VLC already on your system), has been spun off to 
>> the people who make Mac DVDRipper Pro, so they're letting us get Mac 
>> DVDRipper Pro  at a discounted price with a (paid) update to version 8 of 
>> DVDRemaster Pro (until July 31).  But this must be different for the folks 
>> who bought this through the Mac App Store.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously 
>>> installed from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but 
>>> could not see an active install button for the required app. I thought that 
>>> on Lion you could re-install an App from the Mac App store via the 
>>> purchases menu. the FAQW for the Mac App store say that you can indeed 
>>> re-install an An App previously installed from the Mac App store. On 
>>> Mountain Lion all that I can see is a dimmed install button. 
>>> Is this an Apple bug? 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Paul Hopewell]

Hi Esther, 
Pressing the dimmed "Installed" button does nothing. I did try the update 
option for the App store but that said that no updates were available. 

Am I correct in thinking that Lion let you re-install items previously 
purchased from the Mac Ap store? 

I could create a new App Store account as you suggest but that seems over the 
top. instead I have recovered a growl.app from my time machine backup and run 
that. It is growl 1.4 as desired but I don't think it has installed fully as 
the growl icon is not present in system preferences. Looking at the package 
contents for growl.app I found a launch growl.app which let me enter the growl 
preferences. This is all a bit of a hack but hopefully it will do the job. 
Best regards

Paul Hopewell
On 28 Jul 2012, at 21:19, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> Does clicking on the dimmed button do anything? (Is it possible that the 
> announcement of "dimmed" doesn't reflect true status?)  What happens when you 
> choose the "Updates" menu instead?  I'd guess that if an app were purchased, 
> but you somehow deleted it, the "Purchased" menu entry would be dimmed but if 
> it were updated since it was deleted it would have an active button in the 
> "Updates" menu.  Since Growl had a version update just last month, this 
> should work. 
> 
> Short of that, the only thing I can think of is to create another account 
> that you associate with your iTunes ID for the Mac App Store.  That should 
> count as one of your iTunes account activations, but it should treat this as 
> though you were starting up on a new computer -- everything should be 
> downloadable.  A bit weird if you have to move a downloaded app that way, 
> though.
> 
> This does bring up another potential issue about the Mac App Store: like the 
> App Store for your iPhone, apps can come and go.  I believe that the new 
> version 4 of TextExpander won't be offered in the Mac App Store, because it 
> doesn't meet the requirements for sandboxing.  
> 
> And I'm also wondering about differences between the version of DVDRemaster 
> Pro sold through the Mac App Store and the ones that were purchased outside 
> the App Store now that version 8 has arrived.  It sounds as though Fairmount, 
> the program that you need to deal with encryption (if you don't have the 
> relevant bit of VLC already on your system), has been spun off to the people 
> who make Mac DVDRipper Pro, so they're letting us get Mac DVDRipper Pro  at a 
> discounted price with a (paid) update to version 8 of DVDRemaster Pro (until 
> July 31).  But this must be different for the folks who bought this through 
> the Mac App Store.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
>> Hello, 
>> I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously 
>> installed from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but 
>> could not see an active install button for the required app. I thought that 
>> on Lion you could re-install an App from the Mac App store via the purchases 
>> menu. the FAQW for the Mac App store say that you can indeed re-install an 
>> An App previously installed from the Mac App store. On Mountain Lion all 
>> that I can see is a dimmed install button. 
>> Is this an Apple bug? 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Geoff Waaler]

For those who are curious, but have not yet purchased Fleksy, the instructions 
button within the app takes the user to the current version's documentation.

HTH.
Geoff


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ian McNamara 
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Fleksy [Revisited]


  these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who may 
be struggling or need help with fleksy.

  Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy. 

  1. open the app and it will say loading.

  2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.

  3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen where 
you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have to be 
accurate.

  4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if 
it is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word that 
you meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do a swipe 
to the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a different 
part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you first typed.

  5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the word 
and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question mark comma 
or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put in but not 
played with it yet. 

  Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

  When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over back 
on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can do with 
the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to do the 
action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a search for 
ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.

  Hope this helps.

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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

[Esther]

Hi Paul,

Does clicking on the dimmed button do anything? (Is it possible that the 
announcement of "dimmed" doesn't reflect true status?)  What happens when you 
choose the "Updates" menu instead?  I'd guess that if an app were purchased, 
but you somehow deleted it, the "Purchased" menu entry would be dimmed but if 
it were updated since it was deleted it would have an active button in the 
"Updates" menu.  Since Growl had a version update just last month, this should 
work. 

Short of that, the only thing I can think of is to create another account that 
you associate with your iTunes ID for the Mac App Store.  That should count as 
one of your iTunes account activations, but it should treat this as though you 
were starting up on a new computer -- everything should be downloadable.  A bit 
weird if you have to move a downloaded app that way, though.

This does bring up another potential issue about the Mac App Store: like the 
App Store for your iPhone, apps can come and go.  I believe that the new 
version 4 of TextExpander won't be offered in the Mac App Store, because it 
doesn't meet the requirements for sandboxing.  

And I'm also wondering about differences between the version of DVDRemaster Pro 
sold through the Mac App Store and the ones that were purchased outside the App 
Store now that version 8 has arrived.  It sounds as though Fairmount, the 
program that you need to deal with encryption (if you don't have the relevant 
bit of VLC already on your system), has been spun off to the people who make 
Mac DVDRipper Pro, so they're letting us get Mac DVDRipper Pro  at a discounted 
price with a (paid) update to version 8 of DVDRemaster Pro (until July 31).  
But this must be different for the folks who bought this through the Mac App 
Store.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously 
> installed from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but 
> could not see an active install button for the required app. I thought that 
> on Lion you could re-install an App from the Mac App store via the purchases 
> menu. the FAQW for the Mac App store say that you can indeed re-install an An 
> App previously installed from the Mac App store. On Mountain Lion all that I 
> can see is a dimmed install button. 
> Is this an Apple bug? 
> Best regards
> 
> Paul Hopewell 

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Clearing the cache files for an app

[Kristeen Hughes]

I tried to send this a few days ago, but I don't know if it actually went 
through. I'm using an app that I need to totally start over with. It has cache 
files and it says I need to clear them. I've never done this. I looked for them 
using the name of the app, but that didn't seem to work. I don't know where 
they should be and what they will be called.

Can someone assist?

Kristeen Hughes
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Skype: lostonsylvane



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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re:burning mountain lion to disk]

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Esther and others,

Once my $6 8GB sd card arrives from Amazon, I intend to use that media to do a 
clean installation of ML.

>From a little Googling, I learned that holding the option key during power-up 
>presents a menu of bootable media.  I assume this menu would be presented 
>before VO starts, so I'm wondering if there is a way (other than trial and 
>error with the arrow keys) to bypass this menu and boot from my MBP's SD card 
>slot, as one can for the DVD player via option-c?

TIA and best regards.
Geoff

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  From: Esther 
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was 
Re:burning mountain lion to disk]


  Hi All,

  The Apple Recovery Disk Assistant method is useful because it will work for 
systems which come with the operating system (either Lion or Mountain Lion) 
already installed -- for example, if you buy a new Mac, and want to make a 
bootable recovery disk.  The method of using SuperDuper! to make a bootable USB 
memory stick (or SD card, as Shaun asked about) requires you to have purchased 
and downloaded an update from the Mac App Store.

  The information on using SuperDuper! can be found on John Panarese's 
MacfortheBlind.com site:
  http://macfortheblind.com/how-to-for-the-Mac-and-OS-X
  Look under the heading "How To Make a Bootable Lion Install Disk on a USB 
Thumb Drive"

  Another interesting point that Shaun's question about using an SD card 
reminded me of -- the recent MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models come with an SD 
card slot, so using this as a boot drive is particularly simple.  In fact, 
there's an interesting KickStarter project on for "The Nifty MiniDrive".  It's 
for a device that lets you insert MicroSD cards into this slot, so you can 
carry additional storage capacity with you in a way that sits flush against the 
edge of your laptop, rather like the Sim card slots in the iPad. This has the 
largest potential advantage for MacBook Air users, since the hard drive storage 
capacity can't be increased after purchase.  They design this for MicroSD cards 
so you can carry the cards entirely inside the laptop without having regular SD 
cards extend outside the opening with the danger that they will snap off if you 
leave them in the slot.  At present you can buy 64 GB micro SD cards that work 
in the Nifty Minidrive, but the MicroSD card format
  i
   n principle can be made for up to 2 Terabyte capacity.

  If you're interested, here's the URL for the Kickstarter Nifty MiniDrive page:
  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1342319572/the-nifty-minidrive
  They've already raised pledges for 300 times their funding goal of $11,000 to 
make the device, and there's 5 more days to still accept project backers.

  HTH.  Cheers,

  Esther

  > On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
  > 
  >> That's exactly what the recovery tool is for Sarah.  It isn't necessary to 
pre-format the drive as the partition is written block by block when you 
attempt to write your boot device.  Sean, Try the recovery tool and point it to 
your flash card and see what happens.  If the flash card isn't listed in valid 
install devices, then it isn't going to work.
  >> 
  >> Gordon

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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re: burning mountain lion to disk]

[Esther]

Hi All,

The Apple Recovery Disk Assistant method is useful because it will work for 
systems which come with the operating system (either Lion or Mountain Lion) 
already installed -- for example, if you buy a new Mac, and want to make a 
bootable recovery disk.  The method of using SuperDuper! to make a bootable USB 
memory stick (or SD card, as Shaun asked about) requires you to have purchased 
and downloaded an update from the Mac App Store.

The information on using SuperDuper! can be found on John Panarese's 
MacfortheBlind.com site:
http://macfortheblind.com/how-to-for-the-Mac-and-OS-X
Look under the heading "How To Make a Bootable Lion Install Disk on a USB Thumb 
Drive"

Another interesting point that Shaun's question about using an SD card reminded 
me of -- the recent MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models come with an SD card 
slot, so using this as a boot drive is particularly simple.  In fact, there's 
an interesting KickStarter project on for "The Nifty MiniDrive".  It's for a 
device that lets you insert MicroSD cards into this slot, so you can carry 
additional storage capacity with you in a way that sits flush against the edge 
of your laptop, rather like the Sim card slots in the iPad. This has the 
largest potential advantage for MacBook Air users, since the hard drive storage 
capacity can't be increased after purchase.  They design this for MicroSD cards 
so you can carry the cards entirely inside the laptop without having regular SD 
cards extend outside the opening with the danger that they will snap off if you 
leave them in the slot.  At present you can buy 64 GB micro SD cards that work 
in the Nifty Minidrive, but the MicroSD card format i
 n principle can be made for up to 2 Terabyte capacity.

If you're interested, here's the URL for the Kickstarter Nifty MiniDrive page:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1342319572/the-nifty-minidrive
They've already raised pledges for 300 times their funding goal of $11,000 to 
make the device, and there's 5 more days to still accept project backers.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

> On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> That's exactly what the recovery tool is for Sarah.  It isn't necessary to 
>> pre-format the drive as the partition is written block by block when you 
>> attempt to write your boot device.  Sean, Try the recovery tool and point it 
>> to your flash card and see what happens.  If the flash card isn't listed in 
>> valid install devices, then it isn't going to work.
>> 
>> Gordon

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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

[Shaun Oliver]

having just read all that, is preventing competition like that not in some way 
illegal? or is it a case of manufacturers not having enough financial where 
with all to bother?
it just seems to me, that in many respects, apple have succeeded where 
microsoft have thankfully failed.

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> Thomas
> 
> There's no such thing as a "compressed" .dmg image.  Not, at least, in this 
> context.  A disk image is just like an .iso image used in other operating 
> systems. Neither is compressed. The files are exactly as they would be if you 
> were to open a folder. That is how you're able to mount the image without the 
> need for decompression utilities.
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> I would suggest that if you have an installdvd.dmg on your desktop, it's most 
> likely Lion.  The Mountain Lion disk image is indeed 4.35 GB which is too 
> large for a single-layer DVD.  Apple is moving away from physical media boot 
> systems in favour of either USB thumb drives or Internet-based operating 
> system downloads.
> 
> For example, if you boot the new Mac Minis and have a blank hard drive, 
> there's a firmware-based recovery assistant which allows you to download the 
> operating system via the Internet subject to a valid Apple ID and hardware 
> verification.  Apple is also now much more strictly validating hardware in 
> your machines.  For instance, if you have a non-Apple authorised memory 
> module or two in your machine, even if they meet the technical specifications 
> which Apple uses precisely, the hardware validation can fail and you won't be 
> able to download the operating system via the recovery mechanism.  The same 
> is true if you change the hard drive in your machine and or use SDD media in 
> its place.  The media has to be validated and authorised by Apple otherwise 
> the recovery process can fail.
> 
> This is something which most people are probably not aware of, but all the 
> same it is now true.  So, for instance, the "Lion Disk Maker" which Sarah has 
> recently discussed is now obsolete, as I also said in a recent reply to 
> Sarah's message.  You can no longer create a DVD of the operating system, as 
> the disk image contents in the package are too large.  This is no accident.
> 
> Apple really is squeezing the process tightly now, so be mindful of this if 
> you ever want to change your hardware configuration.  To be honest, I really 
> find Apple's policies of hardware validation disgusting.  They are 
> effectively telling their customers that, if they want to upgrade memory or 
> hard drives, they must do so using Apple-authorised components, paying 
> Apple's massively inflated prices.
> 
> Now, all that having been said, our machines do have hardware in them which 
> we didn't purchase from Apple.  I performed memory upgrades on 8 of our 9 Mac 
> Minis.  They all now have 8GB of RAM which I bought in bulk earlier this year 
> from Crucial.  That memory seems to satisfy the validation process.  What I 
> talk about above is information which I was given by an apple employee.  It 
> is no secret, they are trying to squeeze out the competition.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 01:42, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
> 
> I haven't either, but it's interesting that yours said 4.35 and mine says 
> 4.18 and mine is uncompressed as well, just the installESD.dmg  It's just 
> sitting there on my desktop at the moment so it's easily found when I have 
> something to put it on as a backup.  
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re: sleeping macs

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i'm running mountain lion, and, no, i don't know if i get any errors on the 
screen, cause, well, vo's off. and, nothing's running that would make my hard 
drive keep spinning. and even if there was, i quit things like dropbox, and it 
still wouldn't sleep
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Re: Changing voice over speed for the time command

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Thank you Sarah,
I'll go and check it out.

Trevor

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:26 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Changing voice over speed for the time command

do you have scripts on  or off in the vo utilities?  If off it is using the 
system voice and you can change that via speech tab. I believe under text to 
speech.


Take care.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:47 AM, trevor scott wrote:

I have managed to change the voice over speed for everything else but, I 
can't change the speed for the time command.
I have gone in to the VO F8 and speech and changed all the speeds there 
but there is nothing for the time commandI have also done the VO alt and 
arrowed to speed and found nothing in there.

Can anyone help please?

Thank you,
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Re: Mountain lion on the mac mini

[trevor]

Hi Eric,
The good news is that you don't need a monitor.
The bad news is that when I go in to system preferences and check use all F1 
F2 keys etc, it forgets the changes when I restart.

If I find anything else, I will let you know.

Cheers,
Trevor

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Subject: Re: Mountain lion on the mac mini

Hi Trevor,

,
On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, trevor scott wrote:

I'm glad to say that what ever they have done in mountain lion, I don't 
have to keep pressing command F5 any more every time I turn on my mac 
mini.


I'm wondering Trevor, are you using a monitor with your mini?  Either way 
are you noticing other Mini specific changes?


thanks, I'm running a standard mini and prefer running without a display but 
expect I'll need to give in and get one.


Eric Caron

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

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these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who may 
be struggling or need help with fleksy.

Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy. 

1. open the app and it will say loading.

2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.

3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen where 
you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have to be 
accurate.

4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if it 
is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word that you 
meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do a swipe to 
the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a different 
part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you first typed.

5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the word 
and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question mark comma 
or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put in but not 
played with it yet. 

Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over back 
on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can do with 
the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to do the 
action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a search for 
ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.

Hope this helps.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

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Yep both of us  are seeing installed  (passed tense) which the apps are not if 
the system is cleanly installed and no migration has taken place. This is an 
odd one. Hope a solution can be found. a I looked and the apps from the app 
store I have are compatible with ml. I checked on the website where it lists 
all of them.

http://roaringapps.com/apps:table
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> Paul
> 
> The reasons for that are numbered.  But most likely what you are seeing is 
> "Installed", not "Install".  In other words, past tense.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 17:58, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously 
> installed from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but 
> could not see an active install button for the required app. I thought that 
> on Lion you could re-install an App from the Mac App store via the purchases 
> menu. the FAQW for the Mac App store say that you can indeed re-install an An 
> App previously installed from the Mac App store. On Mountain Lion all that I 
> can see is a dimmed install button. 
> Is this an Apple bug? 
> Best regards
> 
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Re: remote and itunes

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go to devices after you plug your iOS device in then  after getting th ecode 
from the remote app tab twice, enter the code and hit enter.  You will get no 
feedback so just warning you. You will know if you did it right if your phone 
says you did.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:34 AM, joe quinn wrote:

> my mac doesn't have any remotes to remember, so now what? :)
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Re: sleeping macs

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What operating system are you running?  Lion or mountain lion. and do you get 
any errors on the screen? I'd  try waiting  until all of your hard drives if 
you do set up that way stop spinning. then don't touch any part of the 
computer. Maybe something is preventing th emac from going to sleep. I don't' 
know.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:50 AM, joe quinn wrote:

> well, my Mac doesn't sleep. i mean, it acts like it does, but, the disk 
> doesn't turn off, nor does the fan. but VO seems to stop talking... any help 
> with this? early 09 Mac mini this be. :)
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sleeping macs

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well, my Mac doesn't sleep. i mean, it acts like it does, but, the disk doesn't 
turn off, nor does the fan. but VO seems to stop talking... any help with this? 
early 09 Mac mini this be. :)
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

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Paul

The reasons for that are numbered.  But most likely what you are seeing is 
"Installed", not "Install".  In other words, past tense.

Gordon


On 28 Jul 2012, at 17:58, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello, 
I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously installed 
from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but could not see 
an active install button for the required app. I thought that on Lion you could 
re-install an App from the Mac App store via the purchases menu. the FAQW for 
the Mac App store say that you can indeed re-install an An App previously 
installed from the Mac App store. On Mountain Lion all that I can see is a 
dimmed install button. 
Is this an Apple bug? 
Best regards

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Just to let people know CCC is no longer freeware.

[Sarah Alawami]

Hey all. I can't update to the latest version yet but here is what the page 
says when you click check for updates.

CCC is no longer freeware. If you're using CCC 3.4 and would like to continue 
using it under the "free" model, do not install this update.

If you have not donated to Bombich Software in the past, this version of CCC 
will impose a 30-day trial. In order to grow our support and development team, 
we have made the transition to a commercial product. This will allow us to to 
continue offering frequent updates to our software, including new features. 
This will also enable our stellar customer support to remain that way. 
Transitioning from donationware to a commercial offering underscores our 
commitment to deliver the best Mac OS X cloning and backup utility on the 
market.

 and this is what it says with the faq of can I use the older version.

Yes, absolutely. Note, however, that previous versions of CCC are not qualified 
against Mountain Lion. Choose "Update CCC..." from the Carbon Copy Cloner menu 
to see options for disabling the CCC software update checks.

If you donated in the past before jul 24 of this year where is what it says 
about you downloading a free copy.
No. To express our appreciation to all of the people who have sent a verifiable 
donation to Bombich Software prior to July 24, 2012 , we will grant a 
registration code for CCC 3.5. If you are a previous donor and see a message 
about a 30-day trial, you can retrieve your registration code. We have done our 
best to automatically generate registration codes for all that have donated in 
the past, so please first try to retrieve your registration code via the web, 
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Please note that Carbon Copy Cloner has never been sold as part of a software 
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sending a donation to us. The only way you could have donated to Bombich 
Software is through a PayPal payment or a donation sent through postal mail.

If you are currently using CCC and have not donated in the past, you are 
welcome to continue using any version up to and including 3.4.6 as long as you 
like without purchasing a license. However, in order to qualify for a free CCC 
3.5 license, you must have made a donation to Bombich Software prior to July 
24, 2012. As of this date, we phased out the donation model  

Here is what it says  in regards to the fix for the new update.

This version of CCC requires Mac OS X Snow Leopard, Lion, or Mountain Lion, and 
is fully qualified on each of those OSes. We will continue to provide user 
support and bug fixes for Tiger and Leopard users on CCC 3.4.x for a while 
longer.
Recovery HD support has been overhauled to better support the concept of "one 
Recovery HD partition per volume", rather than one per disk. If you have 
multiple backup volumes with different OSes (e.g. Lion and Mountain Lion), CCC 
can associate a Recovery HD with each one and apply the appropriate OS to each 
Recovery HD partition.
We have leveraged code signing within CCC for nearly five years. For GateKeeper 
compliance on Mountain Lion, however, CCC is now signed with an Apple Developer 
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Hope that helps  some of you who did not read the release notes. I am 
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program I have ever used. 
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Re: Apples site for accessible apps ?

[Sarah Alawami]

Here ya go.

http://applevis.com

Hth.
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> Can someone send the link for Apple's site of accessible apps?
> I have read before of a site that lists apps that are accessible, and I 
> thought I saved the message, but the subject must not have been an obvious 
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Re: Apples site for accessible apps ?

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Try www.applevis.com 

Chris 
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> I have read before of a site that lists apps that are accessible, and I 
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

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Gordon,

When you launch Fleksy you are instructed to triple click home to turn VO off.  
Do this, and explore the options by flicking to the right.  You will find an 
option for instructions.  These are very concise but precise.  Failing that, 
either listen to David Woodbrdge's demo podcast on www.applevis.com or within 
the podcast section of iBlink radio on your iOS device.

Chris 
On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:32, Eric Caron  wrote:

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>   If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage 
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> 
> Thanks,
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>> Hi all
>> 
>> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also 
>> the stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally 
>> forgotten how to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  
>> But I am tired of having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a 
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>> try to dictate messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because 
>> it still makes errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
>> 
>> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
>> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
>> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be 
>> where Fleksy comes into play.
>> 
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>> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
>> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
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>> Thank you in advance.
>> 
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Re: Mountain lion on the mac mini

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Hi Trevor,

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On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, trevor scott wrote:

> I'm glad to say that what ever they have done in mountain lion, I don't have 
> to keep pressing command F5 any more every time I turn on my mac mini.
> 
I'm wondering Trevor, are you using a monitor with your mini?  Either way are 
you noticing other Mini specific changes?

thanks, I'm running a standard mini and prefer running without a display but 
expect I'll need to give in and get one.

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

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Dear Gordon,

If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage 
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about user's experiences with Fleksy.

Thanks,

eric Caron 
On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
> stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
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> messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes 
> errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
> 
> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
> Fleksy comes into play.
> 
> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

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Hello Sarah, 
yes I am indeed seeing exactly what you describe. Looks like an Apple bug here! 
I will try to report it. 

Paul Hopewell
On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:06, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> Uh huh.  I am having that same problem as well. In fact most of my install 
> buttons are dimmed.  and it says "installed, dimmed" not "install" as if the 
> app is already installed. is this what you are seeing? I checked on a web 
> page the thas a list of compatible apps for ml and the apps I use that are in 
> the app store are on said list.  so they should indeed install.
> 
> Take care.
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>> I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously 
>> installed from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but 
>> could not see an active install button for the required app. I thought that 
>> on Lion you could re-install an App from the Mac App store via the purchases 
>> menu. the FAQW for the Mac App store say that you can indeed re-install an 
>> An App previously installed from the Mac App store. On Mountain Lion all 
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>> Is this an Apple bug? 
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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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Maybe I'm getting confused. Look at the webkit disk image and it's 40 mb. Mount 
it and the app is 120. maybe that type of dmg is called something else. but 
since I cannot burn a dvd even though the size shows 4.35 gb and I have a 4.7 
gig dvd it should still barely fit. Should it not? maybe like I said I'm 
confused. idid this only last year. lol!
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> Sarah
> 
> Disk images are not compressed. If you need to prove that, have a look at the 
> size of the Lion disk image under  that with the size of a DVD if you create one.
> 
> Gordon
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> On 28 Jul 2012, at 17:36, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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> I have opened a 40 mb dmg and found a 120 mb app in there so it has to be 
> compressed in some way. i have compared the sizes of dmgs I myself have 
> created and they re smaller then what I started with.therefore my deductions 
> they are compressed.
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Re: Mountain Lion App store question

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Uh huh.  I am having that same problem as well. In fact most of my install 
buttons are dimmed.  and it says "installed, dimmed" not "install" as if the 
app is already installed. is this what you are seeing? I checked on a web page 
the thas a list of compatible apps for ml and the apps I use that are in the 
app store are on said list.  so they should indeed install.

Take care.
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> Hello, 
> I am having problems on Mountain Lion re-installing an App previously 
> installed from the Mac App store on Lion. I went to the purchases menu but 
> could not see an active install button for the required app. I thought that 
> on Lion you could re-install an App from the Mac App store via the purchases 
> menu. the FAQW for the Mac App store say that you can indeed re-install an An 
> App previously installed from the Mac App store. On Mountain Lion all that I 
> can see is a dimmed install button. 
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Re: mountain lion

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Gordon,

Software Update also includes third party apps.  Mine told me as well as the 
updates for Pages and Numbers and iPhoto and updates to Daniel's voice, that i 
also had an update to Lightening web browser (which I must admit only ever used 
once).

Cheers 

Chris 
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> 
> That's correct, as I said though those are Apple system apps. I should have 
> been more lucent in my explanation. So allow me to rephrase.  If you launch 
> software update via the Apple menu, you will receive operating system updates 
> and other Apple product updates.  If you launch the App Store and then 
> highlight the Updates radio button, you will receive updates to third party 
> products.
> 
> It is true that in some ways the App store is a little inconsistent.  But 
> that's the general rule.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> Gordon
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> Hello, 
> Further to the attached I found that launching software update from the Apple 
> menu on Mountain Lion gave me updates for Pages and Numbers which I had 
> installed from the Mac App store some time ago on Lion. It did not give me 
> updates for third party (non Apple) Apps previously installed from the Mac 
> App store. 
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Re: mountain lion

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Paul

That's correct, as I said though those are Apple system apps. I should have 
been more lucent in my explanation. So allow me to rephrase.  If you launch 
software update via the Apple menu, you will receive operating system updates 
and other Apple product updates.  If you launch the App Store and then 
highlight the Updates radio button, you will receive updates to third party 
products.

It is true that in some ways the App store is a little inconsistent.  But 
that's the general rule.

Gordon


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Hello, 
Further to the attached I found that launching software update from the Apple 
menu on Mountain Lion gave me updates for Pages and Numbers which I had 
installed from the Mac App store some time ago on Lion. It did not give me 
updates for third party (non Apple) Apps previously installed from the Mac App 
store. 
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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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Sarah

Disk images are not compressed. If you need to prove that, have a look at the 
size of the Lion disk image under  wrote:

I have opened a 40 mb dmg and found a 120 mb app in there so it has to be 
compressed in some way. i have compared the sizes of dmgs I myself have created 
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Re: why still so complicated to arrange a home screen?

[Sarah Alawami]

It's not that hard actually. do a search for dean's podcast at 
http://blindcooltech.com on rearranging folders and stuff.

basically you have a 4 by 4 matrix for the normal home screen but once you get 
in to move mode as I call it you have an 8 by 8 matrix  where one column is the 
rot and one column is the folder. the heap will tell you if you are in in a row 
column and the  sound will tell you if you are in a folder column. I can now 
rearrange apps in a few minutes. In fact I need to do this as my home screen  
is starting to be messy.


Here is the link for dean's podcast. it is using iOS 4 but it is  the very same 
concept minus the beeps i think.

http://ec.libsyn.com/p/f/9/4/f94146c1564222d1/bct1494ArrangeHomeScreen.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01cc8433d8cc550ad9&c_id=3022092

Take care all.
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>   hi all i am surprised that even in IOS five we are still so complicated 
> in moving applications. why do apple claim this is the worlds  advanced 
> operating system for mobiles, when clearly organising apps is a joke. 
> the page changer either goes up or down the page you can't choose which way 
> it goes, why can we not make the folders and just put items where we want in 
> an easier fashion?
> none of this pass book and stuff that won't work outside the US no doubt why 
> not make our organisation of apps even for sighted people a lot easier?
> i have made folders but now need to mess around finding the page the folder 
> is on and then i miss it, and have to start all over again, why have people 
> in general not bought this up?
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Re: mountain lion

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Hello, 
Further to the attached I found that launching software update from the Apple 
menu on Mountain Lion gave me updates for Pages and Numbers which I had 
installed from the Mac App store some time ago on Lion. It did not give me 
updates for third party (non Apple) Apps previously installed from the Mac App 
store. 
So it looks like Software Update on MOUntain Lion will update all Apple 
software whether Mac OS or purchased from the App store. 
Best regards

Paul Hopewell
On 28 Jul 2012, at 15:36, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi Josh
> 
> It's important to understand the differences in behaviour with the App Store. 
>  So I will try to describe them here.
> 
> If you launch the App Store using the "App Store" menu option from the Apple 
> menu, then highlight the "Updates" radio button, you will receive third-party 
> updates only.  That is to say you won't receive any operating system related 
> updates.
> 
> If you launch the App Store using the "Software Update" item from the Apple 
> menu, you will receive operating system updates only.  Software Update has 
> now been merged with the App Store.
> 
> It is important to understand these behavioural differences, as they are 
> crucial to future updates which you might receive.  if you launch the App 
> Store from the Apple menu and highlight the "Purchases" radio button, you 
> will receive anything which you bought via the App Store, including full 
> operating system downloads and third party applications.
> 
> This behaviour is new to Mountain Lion, and it's how Apple intends it to 
> work.  So it is by design.  As for VoiceOver repeating text, you may find 
> that you have to reload the page several times, (Command+R), in order to 
> finally see the results of software checks.
> 
> I hope this was of some help.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 05:50, josh gregory  wrote:
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> Couple differences that I've noticed from Lion: Switching from rotor
> setting from rotor setting seems a bit slower when I do it with the
> arrow keys, has anyone noticed that? Also, software updates seem to be
> handled through the app store, interesting. And when I'm not in
> messages, and it's open, vo will constantly say Messages.
> Is there anything I can do to fix these things, or will they be
> fixed in future updates?
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Re: remote app and ituens

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The last time I did this which was a year ago you have to tab twice then enter 
the password and it should work. Now being that they now have iTunes 10.3 and 
Ihave since then told it to forget all remotes from iTunes I have not tested 
it. 
On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Joe Quinn wrote:

> how do ya do the remote app with ituens libraries? i interact with my devices 
> list, choose my iPhone, and i see nothing to enter the password that the 
> remote app requests me to enter. help! :)
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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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Gah@ sent my message too early. I also looked at the install esd dmg for ml and 
it showed a size of 4.7 gigs in the disk utility.  so it should in theory burn 
to at least a dool layer DVD. Only in theory of corse. 
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> A dmg disk image is not compressed.  So where do you get that idea from?
> 
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> On 28 Jul 2012, at 01:29, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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> Oh Odd. my installed.dmg only shows 4.35 gb but that's compressed. I have not 
> yet looked at it uncompressed.
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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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I have opened a 40 mb dmg and found a 120 mb app in there so it has to be 
compressed in some way. i have compared the sizes of dmgs I myself have created 
and they re smaller then what I started with.therefore my deductions they are 
compressed.
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> Sarah
> 
> A dmg disk image is not compressed.  So where do you get that idea from?
> 
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Hello everybody

This point has been brought to our notice by a group member, but it is 
something we have been growing concerned about for some time.

If you ask a question on the list regarding a problem you're experiencing with 
your Apple hardware or a piece of related software, etc., could I ask that you 
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Member "1" asks a question such as: "How do I open folder on my desktop?"
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That message then requires another response in which member "1" proudly tells 
the group that they are now able to open folders on their desktop.

To be honest, the "Thanks, I'll try that." response was really not necessary. 
Although I do concede that it's the natural thing to do in some cases.

However, may I ask you all to take a moment and just consider whether your 
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What Im basically saying is please take a moment to consider your responses 
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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re: burning mountain lion to disk]

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Ah. I can't test with a flash card. I stepped on mine a long time ago it 
shattered. besides the one I do have is only 2 gigs so that won't work. Maybe 
for a short protools project but not for lion. Imight give this a try and see 
if this works. This is coolio!
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> That's exactly what the recovery tool is for Sarah.  It isn't necessary to 
> pre-format the drive as the partition is written block by block when you 
> attempt to write your boot device.  Sean, Try the recovery tool and point it 
> to your flash card and see what happens.  If the flash card isn't listed in 
> valid install devices, then it isn't going to work.
> 
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> As long as it is formatted as mac osx extended journaled with the guid 
> (spelled g u i d)  partition. I'v never heard of a flash card being formatted 
> that way and I'm not sure if the mac can boot from a flash card. You can  try 
> it though and let us know if it works.
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Re: Changing voice over speed for the time command

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do you have scripts on  or off in the vo utilities?  If off it is using the 
system voice and you can change that via speech tab. I believe under text to 
speech.

Take care.
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>   I have managed to change the voice over speed for everything else but, 
> I can't change the speed for the time command.
> I have gone in to the VO F8 and speech and changed all the speeds there but 
> there is nothing for the time commandI have also done the VO alt and arrowed 
> to speed and found nothing in there.
> Can anyone help please?
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Re: Changing voice over speed for the time command

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Hi there!
Did you check the [allow voice over to be controlled by apple scripts] check 
box under general in VO+f8 this makes the time use your settings and probably 
help with the other keyboard shortcuts!
If you are using [right option key and T ] to say the time!
Colin

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>   I have managed to change the voice over speed for everything else but, 
> I can't change the speed for the time command.
> I have gone in to the VO F8 and speech and changed all the speeds there but 
> there is nothing for the time commandI have also done the VO alt and arrowed 
> to speed and found nothing in there.
> Can anyone help please?
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Re: infovox ivox 3

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Your current activation keys should count as "Credits".  That, William, is 
exactly how they do it.  They used to charge by language but now charge by 
voice. For instance, if you like the "Rachel" voice, you just buy enough 
credits to get that voice.  If you like the "Julie" or "Alice" voices then you 
do the same with those.  It's actually quite simple when you get used to it.

On 28 Jul 2012, at 13:21, william lomas  wrote:

the new credit system is a bit strange why not just charge per voice 

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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re: burning mountain lion to disk]

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That's exactly what the recovery tool is for Sarah.  It isn't necessary to 
pre-format the drive as the partition is written block by block when you 
attempt to write your boot device.  Sean, Try the recovery tool and point it to 
your flash card and see what happens.  If the flash card isn't listed in valid 
install devices, then it isn't going to work.

Gordon

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As long as it is formatted as mac osx extended journaled with the guid (spelled 
g u i d)  partition. I'v never heard of a flash card being formatted that way 
and I'm not sure if the mac can boot from a flash card. You can  try it though 
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Re: mountain lion

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Hi Josh

It's important to understand the differences in behaviour with the App Store.  
So I will try to describe them here.

If you launch the App Store using the "App Store" menu option from the Apple 
menu, then highlight the "Updates" radio button, you will receive third-party 
updates only.  That is to say you won't receive any operating system related 
updates.

If you launch the App Store using the "Software Update" item from the Apple 
menu, you will receive operating system updates only.  Software Update has now 
been merged with the App Store.

It is important to understand these behavioural differences, as they are 
crucial to future updates which you might receive.  if you launch the App Store 
from the Apple menu and highlight the "Purchases" radio button, you will 
receive anything which you bought via the App Store, including full operating 
system downloads and third party applications.

This behaviour is new to Mountain Lion, and it's how Apple intends it to work.  
So it is by design.  As for VoiceOver repeating text, you may find that you 
have to reload the page several times, (Command+R), in order to finally see the 
results of software checks.

I hope this was of some help.

Gordon

On 28 Jul 2012, at 05:50, josh gregory  wrote:

Couple differences that I've noticed from Lion: Switching from rotor
setting from rotor setting seems a bit slower when I do it with the
arrow keys, has anyone noticed that? Also, software updates seem to be
handled through the app store, interesting. And when I'm not in
messages, and it's open, vo will constantly say Messages.
 Is there anything I can do to fix these things, or will they be
fixed in future updates?
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Fleksy [Revisited]

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Hi all

OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  But I am tired of 
having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is rich 
in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I try to dictate messages 
to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes errors), or 
else I find a more convenient method of typing.

The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
Fleksy comes into play.

Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
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Thank you in advance.

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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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Thomas

There's no such thing as a "compressed" .dmg image.  Not, at least, in this 
context.  A disk image is just like an .iso image used in other operating 
systems. Neither is compressed. The files are exactly as they would be if you 
were to open a folder. That is how you're able to mount the image without the 
need for decompression utilities.

I would suggest that if you have an installdvd.dmg on your desktop, it's most 
likely Lion.  The Mountain Lion disk image is indeed 4.35 GB which is too large 
for a single-layer DVD.  Apple is moving away from physical media boot systems 
in favour of either USB thumb drives or Internet-based operating system 
downloads.

For example, if you boot the new Mac Minis and have a blank hard drive, there's 
a firmware-based recovery assistant which allows you to download the operating 
system via the Internet subject to a valid Apple ID and hardware verification.  
Apple is also now much more strictly validating hardware in your machines.  For 
instance, if you have a non-Apple authorised memory module or two in your 
machine, even if they meet the technical specifications which Apple uses 
precisely, the hardware validation can fail and you won't be able to download 
the operating system via the recovery mechanism.  The same is true if you 
change the hard drive in your machine and or use SDD media in its place.  The 
media has to be validated and authorised by Apple otherwise the recovery 
process can fail.

This is something which most people are probably not aware of, but all the same 
it is now true.  So, for instance, the "Lion Disk Maker" which Sarah has 
recently discussed is now obsolete, as I also said in a recent reply to Sarah's 
message.  You can no longer create a DVD of the operating system, as the disk 
image contents in the package are too large.  This is no accident.

Apple really is squeezing the process tightly now, so be mindful of this if you 
ever want to change your hardware configuration.  To be honest, I really find 
Apple's policies of hardware validation disgusting.  They are effectively 
telling their customers that, if they want to upgrade memory or hard drives, 
they must do so using Apple-authorised components, paying Apple's massively 
inflated prices.

Now, all that having been said, our machines do have hardware in them which we 
didn't purchase from Apple.  I performed memory upgrades on 8 of our 9 Mac 
Minis.  They all now have 8GB of RAM which I bought in bulk earlier this year 
from Crucial.  That memory seems to satisfy the validation process.  What I 
talk about above is information which I was given by an apple employee.  It is 
no secret, they are trying to squeeze out the competition.

Gordon

On 28 Jul 2012, at 01:42, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

I haven't either, but it's interesting that yours said 4.35 and mine says 4.18 
and mine is uncompressed as well, just the installESD.dmg  It's just sitting 
there on my desktop at the moment so it's easily found when I have something to 
put it on as a backup.  
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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re: burning mountain lion to disk]

[Gordon Smith]

Actually the recovery assistant tool is quite interesting because it writes 
which ever operating system you happen to be using at the time to the thumb 
drive.  I've used this several times using both Lion and Mountain Lion. If 
anybody wants a quick link to this tool, you can find it here:


Gordon

On 28 Jul 2012, at 01:39, Esther  wrote:

You could get a 6GB or 8GB USB memory stick and boot from there instead of from 
DVD.  I believe you can use Apple's Recovery Disk Assistant to make this and 
get it either from Apple's  download site or from the Dropbox address that 
Gordon posted earlier:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22572701/RecoveryDiskAssistant.dmg

Note that I haven't loaded up Mountain Lion yet to try it, but I've heard 
others have done this successfully.

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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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Sarah

A dmg disk image is not compressed.  So where do you get that idea from?

Gordon

On 28 Jul 2012, at 01:29, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

Oh Odd. my installed.dmg only shows 4.35 gb but that's compressed. I have not 
yet looked at it uncompressed.

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Re: FaceBook and Mountain Lion

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Facebook integration is coming to Mountain Lion in a couple of months.

Gordon

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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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The installer is now too large for you to burn it to a single layer DVD. So the 
process is now more complex.

Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 23:46, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

No you haven't,  there is only one that I know of.  I was lazy installing mine, 
just let it install by their procedures, then went back and downloaded it again 
and like Lion before can then see the os mountain lion, and then go into 
package contents and then shared support folder and then installed.dmg.  I 
haven't burned it over because at this time just have 700 gig cds so need to 
get larger blank or a more than four gig thumb drive, then will burn or move it 
over which ever I get first.  Then will have a back up for doing a clean 
install should something go wrong.  

You could cancel it and then see if you can see it but I don't think it's 
likely that you will because when the dialog was up on mine I went looking for 
it and didn't see it.  Thus why I redownloaded it later.   
On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:05 PM, michael weaver  wrote:

> i have just bought mountain lion only for some reason it wants to run the 
> installation rather than me being able to locate the files to burn it to dvd.
> i wonder if i have downloaded the wrong file from the app store as mountain 
> lion seems to be read several times when i first enter the app store.
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Re: Voiceover on sites with Ajax, was Re: Any progress?

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Hello Justin

Sorry about the misunderstanding there. It was late, and I guess I took things 
a bit out of context.

But to get back to the original subject, I still can't use that site with 
VoiceOver once I get to our library. Lynne has to download the books for me as 
I can't make VO behave at all.

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Re: infovox ivox 3

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Hi William,

They are charging by voice now. You can purchase credits which only cover one 
voice, or multiple voices at once. The only difference being that Scandinavian 
voices cost more in terms of credits. Obviously, if you already purchased a 
voice pack when you had iVox 2.x or earlier, you have in a sense already 
purchased the credits to redeem those voices.

What's also nice about their new system is that it is based on accounts and no 
longer activation codes. If you create an account, your licenses will be 
transferred to the account and you can simply log in to your account in order 
to activate all the voices for which you hold a license.

Regards,
Nicolai
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> the new credit system is a bit strange why not just charge per voice 
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 13:21, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
>> Again, just download the voice manager and use the activation keys you have. 
>>  V3 is a free upgrade.  If you have English and French activation keys, they 
>> will work.
>> 
>> On 27 Jul 2012, at 21:40, william lomas  wrote:
>> 
>> i will try and get the english voices i actually want
>> and see if my key works i assume though as for v2, I won't need the french 
>> installed first as that was my original pack 
>> 
>> On 27 Jul 2012, at 21:21, Gordon Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just download the voice manager.  The upgrade is free.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27 Jul 2012, at 20:05, william lomas  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi all i just noticed ix 3 was out
>>> how will upgrades work for those of us who purchased 2 in language packs?
>>> the new french male sounds very creepy but the english indian sounds very 
>>> good. the new voice manager is fantastic you can preview the voices within 
>>> the app download them, and even start your demo period from within the app 
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hello everybody

Before I go any further, I would like to extend a warm welcome to Esther, who 
has just joined the Mac Access Dot Net family by taking up the offer of a free 
E-Mail account. This is an offer which we extend list-wide, you only have to 
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guarantee discretion and security. Anyway, you know where we are if you are 
interested. Once again, welcome Esther.

Now, on to Esther's post; This information is absolutely excellent. It is why 
we decided to make what was an experimental archive into a permanent one. It's 
true that we too also maintain an archive whose URL you can find at the bottom 
of each post to this group. But in all honesty that one is less powerful in 
terms of searching for information than is the public archive at 
mail-archive.com.

Be that as it may, which ever system you prefer, we encourage list members to 
use the archives, that's what they are there for. If you have questions which 
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As Esther so rightly says, you could either grab the file that Esther uploaded 
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The archives contain a lot of information which has been sent to this group 
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we are actively looking into the possibility of improving that function still 
further.

Anyway, as Esther says, it's much easier than even using Google to search the 
archives and you may find you get answers even more quickly to your questions.

So, well done Esther for highlighting this issue. We hope that list members 
will consider checking the archives before asking what they think may be common 
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no matter how basic you think they might be. This is purely a voluntary thing; 
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still post your question to the group.

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• Incidentally, to find this kind of information in the archives, please either 
use the Mail Archive link at the bottom of each post or a bookmark to that 
page, or grab the mac-access.url file that I uploaded to the new facility for 
small scripts and useful files that Lynne posted about earlier at:


• If you put that web shortcut file on your desktop or in your dock, opening 
the file will open the Mail Archive page for this group in your default 
browser, and you can search for content by typing your search terms into the 
text box like doing a Google search specifically on this list, but with more 
powerful and easier to use options.

• For example, I got the FAQ link from my earlier post by typing "InfoVox FAQ" 
into the search text box and pressing return, and then opening the first linked 
result.  You can read down the thread by pressing Control+n or up threads with 
Control+p for the next and previous posts.  You can also use wild cards or 
Boolean operators in the search terms, which is useful if the term is 
misspelled, and you can use qualifiers that end in semi-colons like "from:" or 
"sort:" to modify results.  For example, to limit your searches to messages 
posted by a given user, use "from:" (without quotes and with the colon at the 
end ofthe word) and then type in the user name.  So I could have typed:
from: Esther InfoVox sort: newest
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Re: ivox 3 licensing

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This is odd because if you have a valid activation key for a previous version, 
it is supposed to work. I too upgrading in this way and had no difficulty.

There credits system is strange though.

Gordon


On 27 Jul 2012, at 22:00, william lomas  wrote:

hi to all

I followed the instructions on the upgrading of assistiveware, as v2 was not on 
the system.

i went in to the voice manager in ivox v3 and activated the french pack first, 
and was then told i had zero credits, and downloaded and activated the male 
Antoine voice.
then when i entered my british key and downloaded rachel, nothing is installed 
i  get the voice sorry but no credits to install it?
any ideas please?
i know i'd have to buy the english indian voice as clearly that is not british 

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Re: infovox ivox 3

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the new credit system is a bit strange why not just charge per voice 

On 28 Jul 2012, at 13:21, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Again, just download the voice manager and use the activation keys you have.  
> V3 is a free upgrade.  If you have English and French activation keys, they 
> will work.
> 
> On 27 Jul 2012, at 21:40, william lomas  wrote:
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> i will try and get the english voices i actually want
> and see if my key works i assume though as for v2, I won't need the french 
> installed first as that was my original pack 
> 
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>> hi all i just noticed ix 3 was out
>> how will upgrades work for those of us who purchased 2 in language packs?
>> the new french male sounds very creepy but the english indian sounds very 
>> good. the new voice manager is fantastic you can preview the voices within 
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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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Sarah

It isn't that simple any more.

Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 21:46, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

You probably download the right one. this happened with lion as well. just quit 
the installer then open the applications folder and click show package contents 
 after fining the Install OS X Mountain Lion app, then go to contents/shared 
support/installesd.dmg and copy it to the desktop then burn the dvd.
On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:05 PM, michael weaver wrote:

> i have just bought mountain lion only for some reason it wants to run the 
> installation rather than me being able to locate the files to burn it to dvd.
> i wonder if i have downloaded the wrong file from the app store as mountain 
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Re: infovox ivox 3

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Again, just download the voice manager and use the activation keys you have.  
V3 is a free upgrade.  If you have English and French activation keys, they 
will work.

On 27 Jul 2012, at 21:40, william lomas  wrote:

i will try and get the english voices i actually want
and see if my key works i assume though as for v2, I won't need the french 
installed first as that was my original pack 

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> Just download the voice manager.  The upgrade is free.
> 
> 
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Re: infovox ivox 3

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Just download the voice manager, install it.  If you have ivlx already on your 
system it will show you the status in the activation manager.

Gordon

On 27 Jul 2012, at 21:39, william lomas  wrote:

gordon so i just use my english key?
but i assume of course as no other british english (site says new birtish 
english voice exists?) normal key work but i'd have to buy the indian voice 

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> 
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Re: Voiceover changes in Mountain lion

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go in to preferences and speech and dictation settings and turn it on. it is 
not that accurate to be honest 

On 28 Jul 2012, at 12:55, krystal watson  wrote:

> how do you use dictation i can't find it 
> On 28/07/2012, at 10:07 AM, josh gregory  wrote:
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>> went capitalizing and deleting characters. When capitalizing a
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>> lowered. I am also a big fan of the dictation feature, I have grown to
>> like it a lot. Hopefully they will put Facebook in here soon, I have
>> seen support for Twitter but not Facebook. Does anyone know if it is
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Re: Voiceover changes in Mountain lion

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how do you use dictation i can't find it 
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i rebuilt my mail index but still no searches

[william lomas]

hi all i deleted the envelope data as instructed on the internet to force my 
mailbox to rebuild, yet still i can not find any keywords in mail that i know 
are present. 
not sure as to why i can't search but i don't want to format a whole computer 
just to sort out this issue. i go in to the search edit box in mountainlion and 
type say sarah. i then expect all messages from sarah, or containing the word 
sarah for example to appear yet i still receive an empty messages table.

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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re: burning mountain lion to disk]

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In one word, yes.  smile


On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

> would it be possible to use that same method to put the install for mountain 
> lion on an SD card? I have a 16 gb card here and it's currently sitting idle 
> on my desktop and could be better served as installation media for my mac 
> than a ready boos on my windows pc
> 
> On 28/07/2012, at 2:02 PM, John Gunn  wrote:
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>> Hello:
>> 
>> Esterth you posted a message last week regarding using SuperDuper and using 
>> the USB drive and the message was very helpful.
>> 
>> I installed ML using your method and wonderful.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>> 
>>> You could get a 6GB or 8GB USB memory stick and boot from there instead of 
>>> from DVD.  I believe you can use Apple's Recovery Disk Assistant to make 
>>> this and get it either from Apple's  download site or from the Dropbox 
>>> address that Gordon posted earlier:
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>>> 
>>> Note that I haven't loaded up Mountain Lion yet to try it, but I've heard 
>>> others have done this successfully.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
>>> 
 Did a get info and it said 4.18 gb, yes that is larger than anything I 
 have here at the time.  
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:16 PM, michael weaver  
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> i think you are right.  i tried burning mountain lion to a dvd and the 
> few i tried i was told there wasn't enough room on the disk so i have had 
> no choice but to do an upgrade from lion.
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