Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
It uses chromium which is a fork of WebKit Sent from my iPhone On 31 Jan 2015, at 17:19, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote: Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, though I would be happy to be corrected. I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since the last update, and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view. . Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button with no ability to read any actual news content. If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken. There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text of web pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the most intuitive of interfaces. Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com can sort something out which can help these difficulties. It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates create. David Griffith On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote: Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code most osx browsers use to render their content). When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables instead. This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands to get through the pages. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck until I can obtain a newer mac. Perhaps your issues are similarly related. On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome
It's a known ARIA bug in the latest build. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jan 2015, at 05:09, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: It is on all web pages. I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page and read more than the links. I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time. Maybe a line or two at the most.On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:46 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is different now? On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote: One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I cannot read the pages as easily as before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app
I have noticed a similar issue when you have a screen saver and password set. If you wake your Mac from a sleep, you will hear voice over announce “1 system dialog displayed”. You sometimes also hear “authentication busy”. It would be more useful if voice over actually told you what the system dialog box was or just prompted you with an instruction, such as “Enter your password”. Thanks On 24 Oct 2013, at 13:33, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes. Typing the password quickly before the window hangs is the way to solve it. However, I was wondering if others were also experiencing this. Having thrown my problems around with this whole busy announcement, I have found that apparently, Mac Minis seem to have a problem when you haven't connected a display to your Mac. I'm searching for a temporary display to see if the problem would get solved. Thanks. On Oct 24, 2013, at 12:29 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Okay, that's weird. I think I may have seen this once, but it doesn't happen every time… Try typing your password and hitting enter. You'll get the message every keystroke, but hopefully afterwards it will go away… Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes. Command-tabbing tells me the name of other windows, but nothing else. Releasing the command button makes nothing happen and windows do not switch. On 10/23/2013 10:36 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi, Have yout ried command-tab, or other keystrokes? Best, Zack. On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well, at this point, Voiceover gets stuck and keeps saying No windows when I press VO + f2, whether I press it once or twice. Thanks. On 10/23/2013 7:24 PM, wayne17a wrote: Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if that windows is there hope this helps -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app Hi all, When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), at the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window. How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would say Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
John, Tiger was almost 9 years ago, that is a long time ago, so for the Mac in 2013 still not being able to provide a fully accessible business level or decent level education class word processing and spreadsheet solution is not acceptable in my book. Also, I do not think Voiceover is on par with JAWS or WindowEyes. Granted these products do cost extra and Voiceover is built right in, but Apple need to get their core products to fully support it. Don't get me wrong, I am a complete mac fan boy, but for anyone to think the Mac with a screen reader can compete in the world of productivity is deluded and taking the mac fan boy cool are to the extreme. Voiceover needs to be more polished and so does Zoom. The Mac is a more mature product than iOS, but at the core ios IS still Mac OS X but compiled to run on a ARM processor instead. I think it has gone beyond us all kissing Apple's ass and being ever so grateful for them building in a screen reader, they now need to make the product more useful if it is going to be taken more serious. It really is a shame that a third party has not developed their own screen reader for the Mac which is able to take things to the next level for the professional. I guess you and I live in different worlds John and have different needs. I respect your opinion however and I am happy the Mac meets your needs. Chris On 21 Jul 2013, at 17:01, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: You are comparing two different animals, Chris. I also think you are being a bit dismissive. Remember that iOS accessibility came very early in the game while accessibility with Mac OS X has been going on at the same time Apple has literally been rewriting all of their core applications. Of course iOS is going to seem like it's taken leaps and bounds forward with accessibility over the last few years. There have been several additions to VoiceOver on the Mac, but they don't measure up the same comparing them to basic iOS accessibility advances. At the same time, though, progress with Mac OS has continued and for those of use who remember Tiger, I think it's safe to say that Apple has definitely made the Mac just as viable as a Windows solution. I have no doubts that Mavericks will only improve accessibility and things will only go forward. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 21, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: John, My reference to Mac OS X being half baked, was in comparison to iOS. Voiceover has come on leaps and bounds on iOS since 2009. Has Voiceover come on leaps and bounds on Mac OS X since 2009? There have been some improvements yes, still numerous bugs and major missing features. Probably the only major VO features since 2009 has been support for drag and drop and additional voices. IS Mac better than Windows? out of the box, yes. narrator has a long way to go still, but has also come on leaps and bounds since Windows 7. Is Voiceover better or more advanced than JAWS? hell no. Ok Voiceover is integrated into the OS, but not much use if many applications don't adhere to standards for VO to support, and these applications include many from Apple too. In the real world, the Mac is fine for reading email, surfing the web, using Skype, and chatting with friends or writing the odd blog. iWork is a joke with voiceover and yes I know some users have a relevant level of success if you are prepared to jump through hoops. You can't compare using iWork with voiceover and using JAWS or NVDA on Windows with Microsoft Office. Nothing even comes close to it on the Mac in terms of accessibility. VO can't even read what is exactly on the screen half the time, it makes too many assumptions. To be productive I want to be able to use Dreamweaver, a decent word processor including tables, and use complex spreadsheets, access share point, use web development tools, edit MIDI data, read PDF documents that also include their elements such as headings, tables and enter data within form fields of a PDF. The Mac with voiceover struggles with all of these tasks. So in my opinions it is not very productive in the world of business. Voiceover can't even read tables or headings in documents. However, I still use my Mac on a daily basis as I do like the email client, and using the rotor in Safari, despite some web pages causing VO to crash and not being able to handle some pages correctly. I guess we'll see how committed Apple are to accessibility on the Mac when the next release of iWork comes out eh? Very disappointed accessibility had not been
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
John, I am not negative, I just live in the real world. If you require very basic small spreadsheets, with voiceover quirks compared to complex large Excel spreadsheets, then fine. A word processor offering full Microsoft document support which is the industry standard? None of the word processors you mention can't hold a torch to Microsoft Word and can't even produce headings and tables which can be read by voiceover. Keynotes accessibility is also below par, so Powerpoint is out of the question. Open Office is also not even a viable option on the Mac. There are also no accessible WYSWYG HTML editors on the Mac which support VO, you are stud with either stuck with applications for marking down for use with a CMS, or basic RTF editors. The Mac does the basics, some of us users have more demanding requirement. Is that a bad thing? All these tasks can be achieved if you have enough vision not to require Voiceover, is it too much to ask for Voiceover users to expect the same level of productivity as our sighted Mac users? I do not think I am being negative at all. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 18:00, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: I still don't know what you mean that people can't use the Mac in a professional environment. I think this is strictly your opinion and not anything based on fact. There are at least a half dozen high end word processing applications, including iText, Pages Multi Markdown Composer. Additionally, there are two spreadsheet alternatives that can be used accessibly. As I said, I have trained people who use their Macs for business. To say VoiceOver is not on par with JAWS or a windows screen reader is a very narrow viewpoint. Yes, Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard, I could not have argued that pint, but not any more. I guess my experience as a trainer gives me a much wider perspective, but as was initially said, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm just glad there are a lot of people who don't see things in such a negative way. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: John, Tiger was almost 9 years ago, that is a long time ago, so for the Mac in 2013 still not being able to provide a fully accessible business level or decent level education class word processing and spreadsheet solution is not acceptable in my book. Also, I do not think Voiceover is on par with JAWS or WindowEyes. Granted these products do cost extra and Voiceover is built right in, but Apple need to get their core products to fully support it. Don't get me wrong, I am a complete mac fan boy, but for anyone to think the Mac with a screen reader can compete in the world of productivity is deluded and taking the mac fan boy cool are to the extreme. Voiceover needs to be more polished and so does Zoom. The Mac is a more mature product than iOS, but at the core ios IS still Mac OS X but compiled to run on a ARM processor instead. I think it has gone beyond us all kissing Apple's ass and being ever so grateful for them building in a screen reader, they now need to make the product more useful if it is going to be taken more serious. It really is a shame that a third party has not developed their own screen reader for the Mac which is able to take things to the next level for the professional. I guess you and I live in different worlds John and have different needs. I respect your opinion however and I am happy the Mac meets your needs. Chris On 21 Jul 2013, at 17:01, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: You are comparing two different animals, Chris. I also think you are being a bit dismissive. Remember that iOS accessibility came very early in the game while accessibility with Mac OS X has been going on at the same time Apple has literally been rewriting all of their core applications. Of course iOS is going to seem like it's taken leaps and bounds forward with accessibility over the last few years. There have been several additions to VoiceOver on the Mac, but they don't measure up the same comparing them to basic iOS accessibility advances. At the same time, though, progress with Mac OS has continued and for those of use who remember Tiger, I think it's safe to say that Apple has definitely made the Mac just as viable as a Windows solution. I have no doubts that Mavericks will only improve accessibility and things will only go forward. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
not satisfactory enough to you, that is your problem and not a general reflection of the state of accessibility among most blind Mac users. Is it perfect? Of course not. I can list the flaws as readily as anyone else, especially since I train folks to use the Mac every day. However, as I said, I can list just as many in Windows, if not more in some regard. Also, well, show me an operating system the blind can use with perfection. We can go on and on about our accessibility gripes about every operating system, but in many cases, the reality does not truly reflect our narrow world views of things. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Just to be clear I think they've done a stellar job on IOS. Sure there are things I'd like to see, things I'd have done differently; but that applies to my own development work (in retrospect) as well. The reality is that four and a half years after iWork 09 was released, it is still lacking in what I would consider to be basic accessibility and, more importantly, usability. People like Anne Robertson (on this list) have come up with workarounds to get past issues that t we really shouldn't have to be working around. With every new update I hope that some new features will be introduced, but more importantly I want longstanding bugs to have gone away. Neither happens. Like you, I've stopped recommending the mac for anyone other than those who want a glorified mediaplayer. It is not a productivity machine at this stage. Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:25, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on IOS, as done. They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU disability legislation etc. Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as it's going to get. Cheers, Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: And, though I cannot go into the specifics due to NDA, I'll say this, and under no circumstances anything more. I've reported through bug reporter many many bugs as I'm an Apple Dev both for IOS and for OSX. In both cases a lot of the bugs had to do with things in IOS7 and in Mavericks both which are broken accessibility wise. Again, I can't legally reveal what these things are, but the response I finally got back directly from engineering, was something to the effect of we know about this bug, however, what you are experiencing is exactly the way it's supposed to behave, so learn how to deal with it. Excuse me, but I paid 100 dollars to become a dev, not a person whom won't be listen to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind! Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten no more responses even through the bug tracker I use. On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of humanware, LOL. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Well this is truly helpful! Really Apple accessibility customer care (or whatever the PR gurus call them these days) have excelled themselves. See the reply in its entirety below: Does my sarcasm come across? Dónal (message starts) Hello, Thank you
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
I totally share your pain with Numbers. I do a great deal of spreadsheet work and would love to use Numbers. The applications is a nightmare, and such a let down with Voiceover. Real shame, as it actually has the potential to be very good. I prefer to use a spreadsheet that can cope with more than a few cells before constantly announcing how busy it is. On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:20, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gordon, First, my bad, as I get all these emails in one mail folder, and just assumed this was the Google group, macvisionaries where several months ago I got blasted on that one for expressing my opinion about numbers having so many issues. I have not been blasted on this list which I enjoy very much, and love people having a difference of opinions and being able to express them in a polite way. I will reach out to you later and explain my issue with numbers, but I stopped using it a few months ago because of these issues, and I pretty much summed it up in a post here, but will send you something later today. Thanks On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Brian A couple of things here. Firstly, I dispute your assertion that you were Blasted on this list. In this group we have a policy of no flaming, no blasting. So if you can highlight any specifics I would like to know about it. Of course, what you may consider blasting is possibly not what others would. So let me just use this opportunity to remind everybody that no flaming is accepted. We have 0 tolerance of that kind of behaviour. Regarding Apple and accessibility, would you mind getting back to me off list and highlighting precisely as possible, the steps you are taking to reproduce this behaviour? I am not disputing it, neither am I saying you're mistaken. However, I would be most interested to know exactly what you're doing and what your expectation was when you did this. Thank you. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 20 Jul 2013, at 18:30, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, Funny as the message you got from Apple on Logic is the same exact response I have gotten for years from Apple about the awful accessibility of Numbers which I now no longer use. I got blasted on this list for listing several issues with mountain lion and voiceover when it came out. One of the biggest being how they reversed webspots in safari. How in the world could this not have been noticed if they are actually testing accessibility? In Lion you would hit VO command right bracket and you could go down down a page to the next webspot, not in Mountain Lion they reversed it which makes no sense as you click VO command right bracket and instead of going down and to the right, right bracket takes you to the left, and left bracket takes you to the right. Ok, simple enough to fix I assumed, and assumed in the next mountain lion update it would be corrected. Nope, they never fixed what seemed to me to probably be one of the easiest things to fix. There have been virtually zero improvements to VO in any mountain lion updates. I will continue using my mac, and do love my mac, but have been very disappointed with VO improvements in mountain lion, and will be hesitant to upgrade to maverick as I am worried or concerned about more idiotic VO things that Apple obviously doesn't test. I'm sorry but you can't tell me this webspot thing was tested as anyone who used it before mountain lion would have noticed immediately in mountain lion how broken it was. Just my thoughts. On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Gordon, I rest my case. I have reported numerous bugs to Apple over the years, and even beta tested previous OS builds. Very few of the bugs were addressed. I suppose Apple could argue that not many blind users may require administration services, probably a small audience (despite it opening the possibilities for employment). I would expect Apple to consider offering good accessibility support for iWork and Garageband / Logic etc as these are areas where you would imagine more blind users would require access to. It would not take much effort on Apple's part to improve Voiceover support. Your example with the server is a fine example. It just seems Apple do not seem to be prepared to put enough resources into accessibility, they are just happy to cover the absolute basics. How often do we write to accessibility at Apple and get fobbed off with a generic response. It is starting to become boring. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 18:39, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: I think it's just a matter of who you're fortunate enough to happen to deal with in either case. But let me highlight another of these unfortunate issues with Apple. About 3 years ago now, I highlighted an accessibility issue with Apple's technical people regarding an issue in their Server OS. Specifically, the inability for a VoiceOver user to import SSL certificates into the OS. I spent several hours on the phone, at my expense, discussing it with their engineers in the states. At that time, peak time phone calls to the US were quite expensive. But I considered it sufficiently important an issue to justify the expense and effort. I was promised that, when the next edition of Server was released, (that being Lion), this issue would be addressed. The release of Lion came, and I, like many other people using OS X for server-based solutions at the time, was astonished to find out that Apple had merged Server into their regular operating system, doing away with the purchase of a dedicated OS. In some ways this makes sense, as many of the functions available in the server version of OS X are actually present, but disabled, in the client OS. Many again were actually squashed out, to be fair, and I had no problem at all with the concept of a separate purchase. Anyway, Lion Server came along and with it came the self same bug that I had discussed with Apple at the time when Snow Leopard Server was current. No effort whatsoever had been made it seems to have the file boxes which were missing exposed to VoiceOver. In Mountain Lion, the server was placed in the App Store as a purchase. In fact, it is no longer part of the OS, but it is an add-on which you buy, no need for a separate OS. However, in Server version 2.0 which is the current incarnation, that very same bug which I reported directly to engineering at the time of Snow Leopard still exists today. In fact, the GUI has been stripped quite a lot. There are several functions which I cannot find a way to enable. I won't go into all of this on list because it is bound nopt to be of interest to most. But all the same, I'm disappointed that Apple seems to have totally disregarded the report of such a serious bug, and for server administrators it is a serious bug. I have an AppleCare plan on one of our Server machines. So I wrote a detailed description of the problem to Apple in the hope that somebody might listen. Sadly, I never even got a response, save the usual automated thank you response. They don't seem to see this as a serious enough issue to waste their time fixing. This really is a serious problem and I won't waste more of my time and money trying to explain it to them. I have yet to find a work-around for it and, if there is one in the OS from Terminal or somewhere, I'd very much like to know about it. I even looked at third-party server solutions which run on top of OS X. But the price of the most comprehensive of them is simply too high to justify. It's costing Lynne and I a grey deal of money to keep Mac Access going as it is. We don't mind that fact, (although a little help now and then wouldn't go unappreciated). :) Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 20 Jul 2013, at 19:17, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely agree, and I would hate to see them go the way of humanware, not saying that they or Apple are bad companies, but both companies responses could
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Let's hope John you know something I don't (and I genuinely mean that) and I know you probably can't say anymore at the risk of breaching NDA. I would love improved accessibility on Pages and Numbers etc or even tables and headings support for other Word processors. I guess I will have to stick my dummy back in my mouth and sit and wait. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:44, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: It's funny though. People are still doing tasks with spreadsheets and word processing with what is available. Again, you can be overly critical or you can be realistic about things. Where there is a will, there is a way. In a couple of months, this debate will probably have no merit anyway. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: John, I am not negative, I just live in the real world. If you require very basic small spreadsheets, with voiceover quirks compared to complex large Excel spreadsheets, then fine. A word processor offering full Microsoft document support which is the industry standard? None of the word processors you mention can't hold a torch to Microsoft Word and can't even produce headings and tables which can be read by voiceover. Keynotes accessibility is also below par, so Powerpoint is out of the question. Open Office is also not even a viable option on the Mac. There are also no accessible WYSWYG HTML editors on the Mac which support VO, you are stud with either stuck with applications for marking down for use with a CMS, or basic RTF editors. The Mac does the basics, some of us users have more demanding requirement. Is that a bad thing? All these tasks can be achieved if you have enough vision not to require Voiceover, is it too much to ask for Voiceover users to expect the same level of productivity as our sighted Mac users? I do not think I am being negative at all. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 18:00, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: I still don't know what you mean that people can't use the Mac in a professional environment. I think this is strictly your opinion and not anything based on fact. There are at least a half dozen high end word processing applications, including iText, Pages Multi Markdown Composer. Additionally, there are two spreadsheet alternatives that can be used accessibly. As I said, I have trained people who use their Macs for business. To say VoiceOver is not on par with JAWS or a windows screen reader is a very narrow viewpoint. Yes, Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard, I could not have argued that pint, but not any more. I guess my experience as a trainer gives me a much wider perspective, but as was initially said, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm just glad there are a lot of people who don't see things in such a negative way. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: John, Tiger was almost 9 years ago, that is a long time ago, so for the Mac in 2013 still not being able to provide a fully accessible business level or decent level education class word processing and spreadsheet solution is not acceptable in my book. Also, I do not think Voiceover is on par with JAWS or WindowEyes. Granted these products do cost extra and Voiceover is built right in, but Apple need to get their core products to fully support it. Don't get me wrong, I am a complete mac fan boy, but for anyone to think the Mac with a screen reader can compete in the world of productivity is deluded and taking the mac fan boy cool are to the extreme. Voiceover needs to be more polished and so does Zoom. The Mac is a more mature product than iOS, but at the core ios IS still Mac OS X but compiled to run on a ARM processor instead. I think it has gone beyond us all kissing Apple's ass and being ever so grateful for them building in a screen reader, they now need to make the product more useful if it is going to be taken more serious. It really is a shame that a third party has not developed their own screen reader for the Mac which is able to take things to the next level for the professional. I guess you and I live in different worlds John and have different needs. I respect your opinion
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Donal, I am pleased you can understand where I am coming from, and I agree with everything you have said also. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:48, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: And I wholeheartedly agree with Chris's various mails. I am an academic who depends on presentation software. Is Keynote accessible when in slideshow mode? no. Can one use something like LaTeX in conjunction with the Beamer package to produce slides in PDF? Yes. Is preview accessible in full-screen single-page mode? No. Now let's look at software development. Xcode, it is true, has come on very very slightly but is still lightyears behind IDes on other platforms. Chris also cites the lack of WYSIWYG editors for HTML (such as Dreamweaver). These do exist for sighted users but even iWeb was horrific last time I looked. For me this isn't a problem because I develop mainly by writing HTML, CSS, PHP, Javascript and/or JQuery by hand, howver it was an issue for a blind university student of my acquaintance. Just to clear up points from your earlier mails, with over 20 years of software development and 7 of mac use I can assure you that I do know both the MAc and the Screenreader to a sufficient standard to make a judgement call which is not in alignment with yours. this is fine and makes lists like this more interesting places to be. I also do not have a personal agenda I've no time for that bovine excrement. I'm simply making the point that unless Voiceover, on mac, makes significant strides forward, it will start to lag behind other Screenreaders in terms of functionality and also in terms of the feature set. Longstanding bugs in basic applications need to be ironed out. For example, I use Numbers for extremely large complex spreadsheets for the entry of student grade data. Voiceover simply does not interact well with it. It becomes sluggish, and there is no way (without going through lots of hoops) to do something like the following: 1. enter a student ID number; 2. have the focus jump directly to the cell where this ID resides. Can this be done? Absolutely. Is it therefore accessible? Yes. Is it usable in an environment where hard and fast deadlines apply? in my view, no. I'm delighted the apple mac family serves you and your students; good luck to you all. But to suggest that the envelope should not be pushed, and design decisions should not be questioned wouldn't' have brought us the IOS accessibility we have and I think unless Apple take a long hard look at VO on the mac, then what we have won't improve. My final point is that I've spent the last few months doing what's known as a heuristic evaluation of this kind of thing so I could go off on a purely academic tangent to support my argument but it would bore everyone rigid. Cheers and let's keep this interesting discussion going. Dónal On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:27, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: John, I am not negative, I just live in the real world. If you require very basic small spreadsheets, with voiceover quirks compared to complex large Excel spreadsheets, then fine. A word processor offering full Microsoft document support which is the industry standard? None of the word processors you mention can't hold a torch to Microsoft Word and can't even produce headings and tables which can be read by voiceover. Keynotes accessibility is also below par, so Powerpoint is out of the question. Open Office is also not even a viable option on the Mac. There are also no accessible WYSWYG HTML editors on the Mac which support VO, you are stud with either stuck with applications for marking down for use with a CMS, or basic RTF editors. The Mac does the basics, some of us users have more demanding requirement. Is that a bad thing? All these tasks can be achieved if you have enough vision not to require Voiceover, is it too much to ask for Voiceover users to expect the same level of productivity as our sighted Mac users? I do not think I am being negative at all. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 18:00, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: I still don't know what you mean that people can't use the Mac in a professional environment. I think this is strictly your opinion and not anything based on fact. There are at least a half dozen high end word processing applications, including iText, Pages Multi Markdown Composer. Additionally, there are two spreadsheet alternatives that can be used accessibly. As I said, I have trained people who use their Macs for business. To say VoiceOver is not on par with JAWS or a windows screen reader is a very narrow viewpoint. Yes, Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard, I could not have argued that pint, but not any more. I guess my experience as a trainer gives me a much wider perspective, but as was initially said, everyone is entitled
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Gordon, Brian did not say he was blasted on this list, he said he was blasted on the deluded Mac visionaries list where they are all happy happy smiley Mac people. Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 18:22, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Brian A couple of things here. Firstly, I dispute your assertion that you were Blasted on this list. In this group we have a policy of no flaming, no blasting. So if you can highlight any specifics I would like to know about it. Of course, what you may consider blasting is possibly not what others would. So let me just use this opportunity to remind everybody that no flaming is accepted. We have 0 tolerance of that kind of behaviour. Regarding Apple and accessibility, would you mind getting back to me off list and highlighting precisely as possible, the steps you are taking to reproduce this behaviour? I am not disputing it, neither am I saying you're mistaken. However, I would be most interested to know exactly what you're doing and what your expectation was when you did this. Thank you. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 20 Jul 2013, at 18:30, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, Funny as the message you got from Apple on Logic is the same exact response I have gotten for years from Apple about the awful accessibility of Numbers which I now no longer use. I got blasted on this list for listing several issues with mountain lion and voiceover when it came out. One of the biggest being how they reversed webspots in safari. How in the world could this not have been noticed if they are actually testing accessibility? In Lion you would hit VO command right bracket and you could go down down a page to the next webspot, not in Mountain Lion they reversed it which makes no sense as you click VO command right bracket and instead of going down and to the right, right bracket takes you to the left, and left bracket takes you to the right. Ok, simple enough to fix I assumed, and assumed in the next mountain lion update it would be corrected. Nope, they never fixed what seemed to me to probably be one of the easiest things to fix. There have been virtually zero improvements to VO in any mountain lion updates. I will continue using my mac, and do love my mac, but have been very disappointed with VO improvements in mountain lion, and will be hesitant to upgrade to maverick as I am worried or concerned about more idiotic VO things that Apple obviously doesn't test. I'm sorry but you can't tell me this webspot thing was tested as anyone who used it before mountain lion would have noticed immediately in mountain lion how broken it was. Just my thoughts. On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on IOS, as done. They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU disability legislation etc. Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as it's going to get. Cheers, Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: And, though I cannot go into the specifics due to NDA, I'll say this, and under no circumstances anything more. I've reported through bug reporter many many bugs as I'm an Apple Dev both for IOS and for OSX. In both cases a lot of the bugs had to do with things in IOS7 and in Mavericks both which are broken accessibility wise. Again, I can't legally reveal what these things are, but the response I finally got
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Gordon, Thanks for your response, and I have no desire to completely jump ship to Windows. I use Windows for work and Mac for pleasure (and some work). I am a mac boy, and will just keep nagging them until they eventually listen. Tables is ok for basic stuff, but try using JAWS with Excel, it is actually very good and has some very intuitive features to enable you to get the job done much quicker. As Donal pointed out there are a number of things which can be done with Voiceover, but if you are in a hurry and need to perform tasks as quick as your sighted colleagues, then you have to use the tools which are fit for purpose. I have not looked at tables for a while and not sure if it has a jump to feature, supports VB script, Excel macros, and is able to read graphs and charts. Part of my job requires me to analyse and work with a lot of data and figures. It would be my dream to be able to ditch Windows all together. Gordon, have you taken a look at Sony's Sound Forge for the Mac yet? I believe there is a free trial available. I wonder if that might help you in anyway at all. Thanks Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:58, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Chris I agree with your comments regarding Office products and I did try to make that clear in a previous post. There are issues with VoiceOver, Pages and possibly OS X in general which I do find frustrating. Yes, I think it would be good if Apple could do something about these issues. But as you rightly say it isn't all their fault. I frequently need to use Word documents and am just beginning to have to use spreadsheets. So, why can't you use Tables for your spreadsheets? Is there some issue which Tables cannot handle either? Yes, I agree to an extent that the cry of Accessibility out of the box has to end somewhere with Apple and VoiceOver. Yes, it would be great to see PDF documents work as well under OS X as they do under Windows. As I'm sure you know there is a war going on between Apple and Adobe. From memory this started when Apple refused to permit Flash on the iOS platform. Actually I have a copy of DreamWeaver CS5.5 for Windows, and have never got it to work yet. But that's another issue. Maybe we should continue this off list. I share most of John's views regarding accessibility but I do also agree with your comments regarding the Office situation. That said, Apple could just as easily turn around and say it isn't incumbent upon them to support something which a competitor is doing just because it's widely used. Whether or not you agree with that is really not important. But Apple could opt to made a stand here and, over time, we may see a shift in the way offices work. But I think that shift is some way off as yet. However, all we can really do is encourage Apple to improve. Like many on list, I love my Macs and will never go back to Windows for most of my leisure activities with one exception, broadcasting. To my knowledge, there is no really professional product out there for Mac oS. Zulu DJ and DJay4 are more designed with club DJ's in mind than radio presenters and it really shows. There is one option in DJay4 which the authors suggest Could be used for short jingles and trails, for example. But it still doesn't cut it. you have to have an iTunes library to use either of those products, which means that you have no option but to maintain your use of iTunes. The only really professional-looking product out there for the Mac is Mebgaset Pro. But sadly, that application is, with the exception of keyboard shortcuts, totally inaccessible to VoiceOver and even it relies on your iTunes library. So sadly there is nothing out there which comes close to meeting those needs. Anyway, I take your points Chris but I urge you to stay with it, as I am convinced that change is just around the corner. As for requiring more than the basicsm, as do I. But that said, unless you pay an arm and a leg, I'm not so sure that's much more than basic editing out there for Windows either. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Apple's hardware is not for debate here, it is second to none and there is nothing on the pC side that even comes close to the Mac line in my opinion. Yes, Apple did us a huge favour in bringing build in accessibility. Does it have to end there though
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Mary, I totally agree with everything you have said. John, it appears you think I am being harsh an expressing an unfounded sweeping statement about Mac accessibility. My opinion is based on fact and experience. You have also assumed that I have not looked for solution either via Google or user group such as these which I think is rather arrogant. You have also admitted yourself that you do not know everything, but yet you were quick to slap me down for daring to ask more of the Mac years after they were so kind to give us a screen reader. I wonder if Photoshop users should downgrade to iPhoto, as it covers the basic right? John, how long is it since you have used Windows on a regular basis with up to date software? Yes, the Mac has improved since Tiger, but so has the scene on Windows and if u were able to put your feet in both camps you would understand where many of us advanced users require more than just editing RTF files, reading emails and using the read all command on a PDF. You would be able to appreciate how some tasks are much superior on Windows. This is partially due to competition between various screen reader vendors on Windows and the fact that bugs fixes and updates appear more regularly to the screen readers in comparison to the Mac. Talkback on Android also benefits from this approach. I can only assume you do not require the ability to create tables in documents, track changes and share documents, work with tagged PDF documents and be able to use their various elements. To be fair, Preview was only ever designed to.. well 'preview' I guess! So I suppose we can let Apple off for not including structured elements. I guess Adobe Reader should fill the gap here, as they have proven they can develop accessible software such as their e-book reading solution.. It is not all bad though, as I do like the way Voiceover announces that a word has been spelt incorrectly after hitting the spacebar. The equivalent on Windows is F7 which still does not check spelling as you type, despite sighted users getting this information live as a red underline appears to indicate an error. There is no way I would recommend any professional using Windows to switch to the Mac at this stage. I am not sure exactly what your training programme covers or what you use your Mac for on a daily basis. I am glad it meets your needs and I wonder if you ever did move back to Windows if you would be more at home with Dolphin's Guides software. Right, I am going to try and go back to sleep if the thunder and lightning allows me. Take care Chris On 22 Jul 2013, at 23:13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: John, Seems to me you didn't really address some of Chris's specific issues with Mac as compared to his use of Jaws or NVDA with Windows. pdf on the Mac is a joke compared with Windows; sorry, but cutting and pasting in to text edit isn't my idea of reasonable access. And the fact that I can't read tables in pdf documents is a serious drawback. I know there are work arounds involving the use of Pages with tables and numbers, but again, cutting and pasting back and forth just to do something that ought to be done within a single app is not the same level of usability as you get with a good Windows screen reader. If Apple fixes this issue with the next release of iWork, which ought to be coming soon, then good for them. In the mean time, I don't see how you can say Mac is just as good as Windows for folks who need to do a lot of table reading and editing, or document changes tracking, which is working in MS Word for Windows with screen reader but not with VO and Pages. You made a statement that a lot of folks who criticize Apple accessibility as compared with Windows don't have sufficient knowledge of Mac usage to make such a statement. I would argue that the opposite is also true. I've seen statements from people who admit to not having used Windows ever or to not having used it in years, but they nonetheless feel justified in making statements that are as exaggerated about Windows as the ones you rightly call out re the Mac. There are plenty of things I like about the MacMy other complaint about use of the Mac, which isn't an Apple issue but does affect the usability of the system is the problem producing braille. I understand that there is a Duxbury product in the works for the Mac, although it will be interesting to see how that's going to work, given the state of inaccessibilitry of MS Word and uncertainty about whether Dux will be able to tightly integrate with the new iWork, as it does in Windows with Word. I have a use case involving the receipt of pdf documents that are both text and pictures. I have to integrate these by running ocr on the image only document, then pasting that in between sections of the text-based pdf that have been pasted in to Word. Then I produce ahard copy braille document from
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Just to be clear I think they've done a stellar job on IOS. Sure there are things I'd like to see, things I'd have done differently; but that applies to my own development work (in retrospect) as well. The reality is that four and a half years after iWork 09 was released, it is still lacking in what I would consider to be basic accessibility and, more importantly, usability. People like Anne Robertson (on this list) have come up with workarounds to get past issues that t we really shouldn't have to be working around. With every new update I hope that some new features will be introduced, but more importantly I want longstanding bugs to have gone away. Neither happens. Like you, I've stopped recommending the mac for anyone other than those who want a glorified mediaplayer. It is not a productivity machine at this stage. Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:25, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on IOS, as done. They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU disability legislation etc. Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as it's going to get. Cheers, Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: And, though I cannot go into the specifics due to NDA, I'll say this, and under no circumstances anything more. I've reported through bug reporter many many bugs as I'm an Apple Dev both for IOS and for OSX. In both cases a lot of the bugs had to do with things in IOS7 and in Mavericks both which are broken accessibility wise. Again, I can't legally reveal what these things are, but the response I finally got back directly from engineering, was something to the effect of we know about this bug, however, what you are experiencing is exactly the way it's supposed to behave, so learn how to deal with it. Excuse me, but I paid 100 dollars to become a dev, not a person whom won't be listen to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind! Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten no more responses even through the bug tracker I use. On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of humanware, LOL. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Well this is truly helpful! Really Apple accessibility customer care (or whatever the PR gurus call them these days) have excelled themselves. See the reply in its entirety below: Does my sarcasm come across? Dónal (message starts) Hello, Thank you for your email. At this time, support for accessibility in Logic Pro X is limited. We are continuing to work on improving accessibility. We appreciate your feedback while we work towards this goal. Apple Accessibility (message ends) Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City University, Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929 fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442 email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie Email Disclaimer This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for use by the addressee. Any unauthorised dissemination
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on IOS, as done. They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU disability legislation etc. Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as it's going to get. Cheers, Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: And, though I cannot go into the specifics due to NDA, I'll say this, and under no circumstances anything more. I've reported through bug reporter many many bugs as I'm an Apple Dev both for IOS and for OSX. In both cases a lot of the bugs had to do with things in IOS7 and in Mavericks both which are broken accessibility wise. Again, I can't legally reveal what these things are, but the response I finally got back directly from engineering, was something to the effect of we know about this bug, however, what you are experiencing is exactly the way it's supposed to behave, so learn how to deal with it. Excuse me, but I paid 100 dollars to become a dev, not a person whom won't be listen to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind! Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten no more responses even through the bug tracker I use. On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of humanware, LOL. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Well this is truly helpful! Really Apple accessibility customer care (or whatever the PR gurus call them these days) have excelled themselves. See the reply in its entirety below: Does my sarcasm come across? Dónal (message starts) Hello, Thank you for your email. At this time, support for accessibility in Logic Pro X is limited. We are continuing to work on improving accessibility. We appreciate your feedback while we work towards this goal. Apple Accessibility (message ends) Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City University, Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929 fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442 email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie Email Disclaimer This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for use by the addressee. Any unauthorised dissemination, distribution or copying of this message and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the message. Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail may solely be the views of the author and cannot be relied upon as being those of Dublin City University. E-mail communications such as this cannot be guaranteed to be virus-free, timely, secure or error-free and Dublin City University does not accept liability for any such matters or their consequences. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor
response from Apple regarding Logic
All, I have finally had a response from Apple Accessibility in regards to Logic X. The response is as follows: 'Hello, Thank you for your email. At this time, support for accessibility in Logic Pro X is limited. We are continuing to work on improving accessibility. We appreciate your feedback while we work towards this goal. Apple Accessibility' Email is a bit generic, but sounds encouraging for the future. I think I will put off purchasing for now and wait until accessibility has improved. Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my M-Audio keyboard should work. I'm hoping to be able to create some audio content for our radio projects, amongst other things. I've been talking to a friend of mine today who runs a company which produces audio stuff for use on commercial radio and TV. If you are a Smooth Radio listener here in the UK, you'll have heard Alex's work and actually I believe he's also done some stuff for US radio organisations as well. But anyway I'm getting off the point. The point here is that Alex has told me that he's more than interested to see how this goes with regards accessibil it y. It could be of use to him as well if I can help him with some of his work load. He uses ProTools primarily, with a 24-bit digital mixer console purchased from the BBC when they decommissioned it. That is the core of his studio setup. But he uses a lot of hardware music-creation stuff which I can only dream about! He is more than willing to help me though if this works. That's why Lynne decided to take the plunge and test it. If it works, great, so much the better for us all. If it does, I will produce an audio demo for the Sparkle Radio Techno Chat series which is broadcast from here. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my M-Audio keyboard should work. I'm hoping to be able to create some audio content for our radio projects, amongst other things. I've been talking to a friend of mine today who runs a company which produces audio stuff for use on commercial radio and TV. If you are a Smooth Radio listener here in the UK, you'll have heard Alex's work and actually I believe he's also done some stuff for US radio organisations as well. But anyway I'm getting off the point. The point here is that Alex has told me that he's more than interested to see how this goes with regards accessib i l it y. It could be of use to him as well if I can help him with some of his work load. He uses ProTools primarily, with a 24-bit digital mixer console purchased from the BBC when they decommissioned it. That is the core of his studio setup. But he uses a lot of hardware music-creation stuff which I can only dream about! He is more than willing to help me though if this works. That's why Lynne decided to take
Re: MacBook Air: Light, flexible and simply beautiful!
Gordon, How do you find the volume output on the headphone jack? This is one of the reasons I am scared to ditch my trusty 5 year old iMac, as the volume output is so nice and loud, and worry the Air might not match. Otherwise, I think my iMac will end up being replaced with an Air. On 24 Apr 2013, at 18:05, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: This machine, Sarah, is quiet, absolutely and totally silent! Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 / +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 24 Apr 2013, at 15:48, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Actually a friend of mien has a pro with a clunky ld hard drive, but his is one of the last models with such. it is one of the newer models from this year. lol! I would get an air but I do so much sound work that it's not worth it. Plus I type so hard I've gone through 2 key boar panels already on this pro i have and the vo keys have died both times. Bleh! For me I love the sound of the clunky old hd that way i can tell if something is about to go bust and barf. I guess though you can tell that with a dynamic coil and an amp with a flash drive no? I've never heard flash, well I have, it sounds like a bus sort of with beeps when data is written to the medium.. On Apr 24, 2013, at 7:05 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all For about a week or so now I have been using the new MacBook Air computer which Lynne bought for me when we paid our first visit to our local Apple store. The machine itself is pure gold! It's light, easy to use and has the most fantastic keyboard action I've ever seen on a MacBook of any kind. Its backlit keyboard makes it easy to use for Lynne, and I just love the touch sensitive multi-trackpad. I have the 13-inch 256GB model and one of the best features of this thing is the lack of a clunky old hard drive. Apple has gone over to using flash media instead of a hard drive in its portable models and the change alone is well worth the upgrade. From power-on, the machine takes about 8 seconds to being up and ready to use with VO. It's a breeze, I cannot speak highly enough of this machine. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 / +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your
Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!
Nothing crazy about this at all. We live in a sighted world, and I would imagine it must be quite boring looking at an empty space where a cover art picture should be. It is a bit crazy for websites to include images or photos don't you think? Of course not. I am sure most blind people will either just resize an image of themselves or their guide dog etc to insert into this space. Apple have not specified that the image must contain a logo or the wording of the title of the podcast etc. I am sure blind podcasters want to appeal to non blind users too, and it is no different to adding a picture to a book cover, album sleeve, Facebook or twitter profile etc. Chris On 22 Mar 2013, at 04:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody We just got this from iTunes. I think it's going to kill a lot of visually impaired people's podcasts. SNIP New Cover Art Requirement iTunes has been completely redesigned and there are new requirements for podcast cover art. To be eligible for featuring on iTunes Store, a podcast must have 1400 x 1400 pixel cover art in JPG or PNG format using RGB color space. The image URL must end in .jpg, .jpeg or .png and the server hosting the image must allow HTTP HEAD requests. See our technical spec below for details. Technical Spec: http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/specs.html Server Configuration Requirement Podcast streaming playback on iTunes requires all hosting servers to enable Byte Range Requests. Please confirm your hosting servers have this functionality enabled. If you work with a third-party hosting service, please contact them to confirm this functionality is enabled on their servers. 155 Countries More Than 100 Languages iTunes Podcasts has launched in additional countries around the world. Note that reviews and ratings are unique to each country. Podcasts are published in more than 100 languages. /SNIP Now, correct me if I am wrong. But it's my understanding that blind people have no use for these images. Who, I wonder, came up with this crazy mandate? Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!
If memory serves me right, you can set pixel size within Preview, but any graphics convertor will allow you to do this, and yes it can be done in iPhoto also. On 22 Mar 2013, at 09:57, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, well, for one thing, how does one configure sed picture to the correct specifications? I know of no app on the mac that accessibly will do this. Don't just say IPhoto. That's not what I'm asking exactly. That's kind of a well yeah? Duh? But, I mean more specifically, how do you do it? This isn't a challenge, and after re-reading this mail, I'll admit it sounds like I'm daring you to show me in defense. That is not my intention. I'm only asking as I am curious. I'm unaware of any easy way. Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:43 AM Subject: Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think,read it! Nothing crazy about this at all. We live in a sighted world, and I would imagine it must be quite boring looking at an empty space where a cover art picture should be. It is a bit crazy for websites to include images or photos don't you think? Of course not. I am sure most blind people will either just resize an image of themselves or their guide dog etc to insert into this space. Apple have not specified that the image must contain a logo or the wording of the title of the podcast etc. I am sure blind podcasters want to appeal to non blind users too, and it is no different to adding a picture to a book cover, album sleeve, Facebook or twitter profile etc. Chris On 22 Mar 2013, at 04:37, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody We just got this from iTunes. I think it's going to kill a lot of visually impaired people's podcasts. SNIP New Cover Art Requirement iTunes has been completely redesigned and there are new requirements for podcast cover art. To be eligible for featuring on iTunes Store, a podcast must have 1400 x 1400 pixel cover art in JPG or PNG format using RGB color space. The image URL must end in .jpg, .jpeg or .png and the server hosting the image must allow HTTP HEAD requests. See our technical spec below for details. Technical Spec: http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/specs.html Server Configuration Requirement Podcast streaming playback on iTunes requires all hosting servers to enable Byte Range Requests. Please confirm your hosting servers have this functionality enabled. If you work with a third-party hosting service, please contact them to confirm this functionality is enabled on their servers. 155 Countries More Than 100 Languages iTunes Podcasts has launched in additional countries around the world. Note that reviews and ratings are unique to each country. Podcasts are published in more than 100 languages. /SNIP Now, correct me if I am wrong. But it's my understanding that blind people have no use for these images. Who, I wonder, came up with this crazy mandate? Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Yup, Have done, and went into more detail fore them. I have also sent it via iTunes Feedback too. So maybe we'll see an improvement in version 12! Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
Re: iPad Help Required
You could also use Siri to open apps and perhaps consider guided access to lock some buttons in certain apps. On 30 Nov 2012, at 11:35, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi Gordon! Well I do not know if this will be useful but under accessibility there is assistive touch which is as far as I know is for this kind of situation! I do not know how well it would work with VO but should help someone with motor problems! It is on the iPhone so should be on the iPad as well! Might be worth a look! And maybe good to use along side dictation! Hth Colin On 30 Nov 2012, at 08:46, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all OK, this one might be a bit of a challenge. I've been enlisted to assist a teacher who has a pupil aged four, with dexterity issues, who she wants to try and educate in the use of the iPad. Does anybody happen to know whether this kind of accessibility is supported at all? This child's fingers, for instance, are apparently not very easily controlled and I'm not optimistic about his use of the touch screen. However, I wondered whether perhaps he might be able to make more headway with dictation, rather than actually using his hands, which are not exactly functional as most people would understand it. Any thoughts very welcome. Gordon --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: The iPad mini reviewed.
I have to slightly disagree with your review. The contrast on the iPad mini display is excellent, and far superior to the iPad 2. The dots per inch (DPI) is higher than you quoted, it is actually 166 as the resolution of the display is the same as the iPad 2, but the same pixel density is squeezed into a smaller display which means it is slightly sharper than the iPad 2. To be fair, nobody complained about the iPad 2 display before March this year when the retina iPad was finally launched. As for the Nexus, yes it has a higher resolution display, but the apps have not been designed to take advantage of that. They are just stretched phone apps. The only thing which is sharper is video and text. As for usability, I still think Jellybean lags behind ios. Talkback is buggy and less responsive than voiceover in my opinion and lacks many of the features voiceover has. The only advantage talkback has over voiceover in my opinion is the ability to choose your own TTS. I can say this from experience, my Nexus 7 mainly sits in the drawer and since getting my iPad mini, it is my device of choice and saves me running down the battery on my iPhone. Yes it would have been nice to have a retina display and an A6 CPU, but at this stage it might have been difficult to cram all that into the thin and light iPad mini. The Nexus 7's build quality just can't compete with the iPad mini, and the wider screen on the iPad mini is far superior for reading books and web pages, compared to the slim 16:9 display of the Nexus. Before I get slammed by all the Android lovers, this is just my opinion of owning both products. Chris Moore On 23 Nov 2012, at 01:25, sadam ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, for those of you considering the iPad mini check out my review on the product. http://sadamahmed.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/the-ipad-mini-reviewed/ I hope people find it informative. Kind regards, Mr Sadam ahmed. Cell: +61 35 892 944 Skype: Sadamahmed1992 -- Sent from my HP PC. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: The iPad mini reviewed.
Apple have always been a premium brand, and Apple make their money from hardware sales. It is a bit like comparing a Ford to a Mercedes. They both make nice cars, and both all work the same way, but the Mercedes is more classy and refined. Macs have always cost more than PCs and the iPod in most cases cost more than other mp3 players. So this is nothing new for Apple. The iPad 2 is very popular in the education field, hence why it is still around. I agree it will probably be discontinued next year, but there is still plenty of life in the A5 processor for the next 12 to 18 months. Perhaps £249 /$300 would have been a better price, but when you pick the thing up and see how well it feels in the hand and built quality etc, I think it justifies it's price. Of course, if you are not into premium products, then there is Aldi oops I mean Android :) Chris On 23 Nov 2012, at 09:39, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi sir, Thanks for your opinion. I always love to spark good discussion on these things. Actually my concern which I didn't point out in the review is that this device runs an older CPU. I wonder what will this mean for software upgrades? Most likely the iPad 2 will be retired by Apple next year. If you match Google's tablet with Apple's tablet on price alone there is no doubt that Google's tablet wins. I just think this device is too expensive. This is coming from a guy that owns a 13-inch Macbook Pro, the iPhone 4S, the iPad 2, the fourth-generation iPod touch, and fifth-generation touch. But each to his own. Kind regards, Mr Sadam ahmed. Cell: +61 35 892 944 Skype: Sadamahmed1992 Sent from my iPhone. On 23/11/2012, at 8:16 PM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I have to slightly disagree with your review. The contrast on the iPad mini display is excellent, and far superior to the iPad 2. The dots per inch (DPI) is higher than you quoted, it is actually 166 as the resolution of the display is the same as the iPad 2, but the same pixel density is squeezed into a smaller display which means it is slightly sharper than the iPad 2. To be fair, nobody complained about the iPad 2 display before March this year when the retina iPad was finally launched. As for the Nexus, yes it has a higher resolution display, but the apps have not been designed to take advantage of that. They are just stretched phone apps. The only thing which is sharper is video and text. As for usability, I still think Jellybean lags behind ios. Talkback is buggy and less responsive than voiceover in my opinion and lacks many of the features voiceover has. The only advantage talkback has over voiceover in my opinion is the ability to choose your own TTS. I can say this from experience, my Nexus 7 mainly sits in the drawer and since getting my iPad mini, it is my device of choice and saves me running down the battery on my iPhone. Yes it would have been nice to have a retina display and an A6 CPU, but at this stage it might have been difficult to cram all that into the thin and light iPad mini. The Nexus 7's build quality just can't compete with the iPad mini, and the wider screen on the iPad mini is far superior for reading books and web pages, compared to the slim 16:9 display of the Nexus. Before I get slammed by all the Android lovers, this is just my opinion of owning both products. Chris Moore On 23 Nov 2012, at 01:25, sadam ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, for those of you considering the iPad mini check out my review on the product. http://sadamahmed.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/the-ipad-mini-reviewed/ I hope people find it informative. Kind regards, Mr Sadam ahmed. Cell: +61 35 892 944 Skype: Sadamahmed1992 -- Sent from my HP PC. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
Re: Has anyone found the need to consistently restart VoiceOver when loading webpages?
The problem with Safari and Voiceover on the Mac, the behaviour is so random. The main problem is buffering. Sometimes I can go back a page and VO see's everything, other times I have to switch VO off (VO + F5) and start it back up again and the buffer is magically refreshed and everything is visible in the rotor again. Other times, I find Voiceover has not interacted with the HTML text and instead is on the toolbar. Still very buggy Chris On 11 Nov 2012, at 21:42, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote: All. It appears that we need to identify some good troubleshooting tips on Safari when we get these strange issues. Such as: Web site, download link, version of OS, period of time you waited before reloading the page or Voice-Over. ETC. I do not think this is an hardware issue. It seems to be more a software problem. You have to remember that there is a lot of events triggering inside safari and Voice-Over. If they get out of sync, strange behaviours can occur. Identifying the pattern and sequences this occurs will assist the Apple folks. I am not sure if the development tools of Safari will ell as well. So what I suggest if the issue occurs for you again. write up the steps that you used to get to the page and what you used to resolve it. By doing this, then others can try to reproduce it. For example: Mac Mountain Lion Mac Version: xx.xx.xx. Using default safari options. 1. Perform a google search using Australian High Schools. 2. Pressed vo cmd h to jump to the first search item. 3. Pressed enter to load the page. 4. Waited 60 secs for the page to load. 5. Press vo u to bring up the roter options and saw no links, headers or elements on page. 6. Pressed escape to exit roter. 7. Navigated page with vo right arrow and saw headers. 8. Press cmd r to refresh page and repeated step 5. Everything worked fine. This type of information will assist in narrowing down the problem. It could be the method being used in using safari. Note, the above is an example only. Sean On 09/11/2012, at 4:04 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Having an odd issue with chromevox at the moment, it doesn't speak if voiceover is turned on, the 2 used to work ok together. Chrome doesn't have the busy problem but it does have some odd quirks. Voiceover is unable to read certain list boxes, and if you come across some unlabeled links, voiceover does not read the url of the link so you have no idea what it is, in safari it provides this information. Over all though, chrome works pretty well. On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Interestingly, the busy, busy, busy annoyance in Safari went away when I upgraded to ML. The trade-off was that Bento has now taken over the busy, busy, busy behavior. Regarding Chrome: I've been using it with ChromeVox a lot lately as one of my classes is neck-deep into Google Docs and I've found Chrome to offer the best GDocs experience. On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: I have not updated to mountain lion yet one of my mac minis will not run it, but the other mini and macbook will, just a matter of finding time to do it. Anyway, with 10.7.5 and the newest safari, there are times when voiceover gets stuck in it's busy, busy loop and I do need to turn voiceover off and back on to access the page. Another thing that happens at times, and it seems kind of random is, a page will load, I will either search for something on the page or try to navigate to something such as a heading, voiceover will act like the search text was not found and will say next heading not found. If I press command+r to reload the page it works fine. I have found that using google chrome instead of safari eliminates some of this, especially the busy messages. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Boss Jock Studio
Hi gang, Was just listening to John Gruber's The Talk Show and he had Boss Jock Studio as a sponsor this week. Boss Jock Studio is a professional podcast creation app for the iPhone (iPad version coming soon), and best of all it is fully accessible with voiceover. You can import from drop box, edit your audio files in Garageband, and then email them to yourself to open within Boss Jock etc. I know there are many budding podcasters on here, so now here is an easy way to do it all on your iPhone and even use professional microphone with it too. In the UK you will find the app at: http://bossjockstudio.com Thanks Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Boss Jock Studio
Sorry, meant to post the direct link to Bossjock Studio for the UK: Here it is: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/bossjock-studio/id531205021?mt=8 The app costs £6.99 Thanks Chris On 10 Nov 2012, at 10:26, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi gang, Was just listening to John Gruber's The Talk Show and he had Boss Jock Studio as a sponsor this week. Boss Jock Studio is a professional podcast creation app for the iPhone (iPad version coming soon), and best of all it is fully accessible with voiceover. You can import from drop box, edit your audio files in Garageband, and then email them to yourself to open within Boss Jock etc. I know there are many budding podcasters on here, so now here is an easy way to do it all on your iPhone and even use professional microphone with it too. In the UK you will find the app at: http://bossjockstudio.com Thanks Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was so wish apple had done this]
Well there is no reason why a developer could not create a Safari extension to perform the same functions as Flexible Web which is found in JAWS 14 (which I must admit is pretty awesome and innovative). Or perhaps Apple could consider adding such a facility to Activities within Voiceover preferences. The reader function in Safari is a blessing when it is available though, as it really does get rid of a lot of clutter. The pitch change problem with HQ voices no longer exists for myself. On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:10, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris christopher...@gmail.com wrote: I am greatful for all this as well. On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn her faithful furry friends wrote: I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it better. all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making your products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever since I've been using a mac. I know how the screen is laid out just like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and all my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being able to buy a computer, a phone.. that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the hard work. Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this is the only way they will know what problems we are having. Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen readers and the other platform. Take care all, Lyn, Canelle Epi On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Missy I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly not trying to involve anybody in a My toy's better than yours debate. What people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their choice. All I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is here for all of those people who share a desire and even a passion to see Apple's products improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in many cases, learn to use the products. Whatever your skill level and whatever your application for Apple's products may be, you are very welcome here. Lynne On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: • Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take full advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers properly. It always frustrates me when I see any product being bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making any sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is that I agree with you 100%. Thanks for the well-written post, and I hope that you're having a great day! --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helian...@mac-access.net mickymac2...@me.com msn iMessage lyn.bordeau...@gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. ** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helian...@mac-access.net mickymac2...@me.com msn iMessage lyn.bordeau...@gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are
Re: VoiceOver friendly RSS reader
iTunes? or another pod catcher? On 31 Aug 2012, at 18:22, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: How is one supposed to use a podcast feed in Safari 6 without an RSS reader? On 31 Aug 2012, at 18:20, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: can i ask why would people need RSS readers when news is on bbc sites and twitter etc? just curious that's all? never really investigated RSS or the need for it really i know the ffes r used for podcasts but other than that? On 31 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: I like NewsRack too actually. I haven't tried it on iO yet, but plan too. But the Mac version is excellent. Gordon On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:17, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Paul, I use Newsrack on the Mac and RSS Runner on the iPhone, not tried any others yet. Chris On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:10, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hi Sarah, Many thanks for the pointer to Vienna. It works fine for me! Paul Hopewell On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:12, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Try Vienna. I use it and love it. You can export all of your feeds to a file and import them back let's say if you have to reinstall it. YOu can read the article in an internal browser but I much prefer safari I'll be doing a podcast on it when school settles down as it is a very very good app in my opinion. It can even take your rss feeds and synch them to your google account. Note I have never down this. link: http://www.vienna-rss.org Hope this helps. On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello Listers, Now that Apple mail in Mountain Lion no longer supports RSS feeds I am having trouble reading Apple Hot News items. I have been trying the Shrook RSS reader and am confused! I managed to subscribe to Apple Hot News and can see a list of about 20 news items in a table. I can press Enter on an item which opens Safari for the web page for that item. However when i have read that item there does not seem to be any accessible way to remove it from the list of items. Maybe Shrook is the wrong RSS reader. Is there a better alternative? It was so easy when Apple Mail supported RSS feeds. I would appreciate any tips. Best regards Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public
Re: VoiceOver friendly RSS reader
Sometimes you just want everything in one place. I have a numerous array of news sites I like to visit, this gets all the data and puts the headlines all in one place and only shows me the new content too in date order. This can save on a lot of surfing time on the move. I use Twitter in a similar way also . On 31 Aug 2012, at 18:20, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: can i ask why would people need RSS readers when news is on bbc sites and twitter etc? just curious that's all? never really investigated RSS or the need for it really i know the ffes r used for podcasts but other than that? On 31 Aug 2012, at 18:02, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: I like NewsRack too actually. I haven't tried it on iO yet, but plan too. But the Mac version is excellent. Gordon On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:17, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Paul, I use Newsrack on the Mac and RSS Runner on the iPhone, not tried any others yet. Chris On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:10, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hi Sarah, Many thanks for the pointer to Vienna. It works fine for me! Paul Hopewell On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:12, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Try Vienna. I use it and love it. You can export all of your feeds to a file and import them back let's say if you have to reinstall it. YOu can read the article in an internal browser but I much prefer safari I'll be doing a podcast on it when school settles down as it is a very very good app in my opinion. It can even take your rss feeds and synch them to your google account. Note I have never down this. link: http://www.vienna-rss.org Hope this helps. On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello Listers, Now that Apple mail in Mountain Lion no longer supports RSS feeds I am having trouble reading Apple Hot News items. I have been trying the Shrook RSS reader and am confused! I managed to subscribe to Apple Hot News and can see a list of about 20 news items in a table. I can press Enter on an item which opens Safari for the web page for that item. However when i have read that item there does not seem to be any accessible way to remove it from the list of items. Maybe Shrook is the wrong RSS reader. Is there a better alternative? It was so easy when Apple Mail supported RSS feeds. I would appreciate any tips. Best regards Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access
Re: VoiceOver friendly RSS reader
Paul, I use Newsrack on the Mac and RSS Runner on the iPhone, not tried any others yet. Chris On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:10, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hi Sarah, Many thanks for the pointer to Vienna. It works fine for me! Paul Hopewell On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:12, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Try Vienna. I use it and love it. You can export all of your feeds to a file and import them back let's say if you have to reinstall it. YOu can read the article in an internal browser but I much prefer safari I'll be doing a podcast on it when school settles down as it is a very very good app in my opinion. It can even take your rss feeds and synch them to your google account. Note I have never down this. link: http://www.vienna-rss.org Hope this helps. On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello Listers, Now that Apple mail in Mountain Lion no longer supports RSS feeds I am having trouble reading Apple Hot News items. I have been trying the Shrook RSS reader and am confused! I managed to subscribe to Apple Hot News and can see a list of about 20 news items in a table. I can press Enter on an item which opens Safari for the web page for that item. However when i have read that item there does not seem to be any accessible way to remove it from the list of items. Maybe Shrook is the wrong RSS reader. Is there a better alternative? It was so easy when Apple Mail supported RSS feeds. I would appreciate any tips. Best regards Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Signing Up For FaceBook
Gordon, Try the mobile site http:m.facebook.com Sent from my iPhone On 19 Aug 2012, at 12:53, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Anybody managed to successfully sign up for FaceBook using Safari 6 and VoiceOver? I ask because, in the section where you're asked to supply a date and year of birth, I cannot get the pop-up box to change from the default of 1987 no matter what I do. I'd be very interested to know if anybody else has managed this and, if so, how. --- Gordon Smith --- This message was written using 100 Percent recycled electrons. gor...@mac-access.net Follow us on Twitter: @maciosaccess --- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Tables in PDF documents
Failing that, get docuscan plus Sent from my iPhone On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Paul, You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode. This is a kind of hokey answer, and I wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless they made some accessibility fixes to their interface. The conversion seems robust. What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format. By default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed to come out as gibberish for me. HTML worked, and then I tried the conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use. Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF Converter Pro from: http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/ If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for Free trial, you'll get two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary descriptions for the products with pricing, trial and buy links at the bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions. (The pro version adds OCR capability). The program starts up with a Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered) window with a scroll area that will populate with your selected files. To run the program use the File menu on the menu bar to Add files with the Command-L shortcut. Your selections get loaded into the scroll area of the Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered) window, and there's an unlabeled button outside the scroll area that runs the conversion. However, you can use the shortcuts from the Convert menu of Command-R to run or Command-Shift-R to cancel instead doing a VO-Space on that unlabeled button to run the program. For each file there is an initial button that can be pressed to Preview the PDF, and then for the currently selected file there's a second button you can press to specify the conversion format and page range. However, you can bypass this by pressing Command-F to use the File Configuration shortcut from the File Menu to bring up the dialog box with the same information. This lets you specify page range (defaults to all, but you can customize by typing, for example 1,3,5-8 into the text box), and the format in the pop up menu (e.g. Rich Text Format). The check box for Apply to all lets you apply the format selection to all files you have loaded into the scroll area to date. Run the program with Command-R. Files with similar name but .rtf extension will be placed in the same directory as your selected file. If you choose HTML, then the converted file is always named index.html. This seems to work. There are paid versions in the Mac App Store, but if you only need to read your bills, you can just use the trial version, which limits you to 5 pages per document. I'll give you the App Store links: • PDF Converter http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter/id414200948?mt=12 • PDF Converter Pro http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter-pro/id422540826?mt=12 Sarah and others, the issue that Paul has hit is that the PDF versions of tables reads out of order: all the entries from column 1 then all the entries from column 2. Try printing a PDF version of a table you can read correctly on the web. When you use Preview or Skim the columns are read out of order. Using the New TextEdit Window from Selection service doesn't help: if you start from the HTML version, the TextEdit window will read the table in correct order, but if you start from the PDF version, the conversion in the TextEdit window will read the same way. I tried a few other converters that gave the same behavior. That's also why I tried converting to HTML, as well with this program. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I use an app called pdf to text. simply drag the file on to the app in the apps folder and you have an rtf file on your desk top, I think. It's been a while since I used it but it works for what I need it to. I'm unsure if it will do tables but it's worth a try. On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, Is there anything in the Mac App store which will run on Mountain Lion and convert PDF documents containing tables into a form which can be read with VoiceOver? My bank provides my credit card statement as a PDF file only. It does not read correctly with Preview which displays each column in the table separately. Using Abbyyy fine reader to create a spreadsheet document does a slightly better job displaying the date and description in a table with
Re: Tables in PDF documents
Lol it's working fine for me Don't think I will ever ask you for racing tips Sent from my iPhone On 4 Aug 2012, at 18:04, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Chris I have this, but it keeps crashing under Mountain Lion or Lion. Gordon On 4 Aug 2012, at 17:59, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Failing that, get docuscan plus Sent from my iPhone On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Paul, You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode. This is a kind of hokey answer, and I wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless they made some accessibility fixes to their interface. The conversion seems robust. What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format. By default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed to come out as gibberish for me. HTML worked, and then I tried the conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use. Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF Converter Pro from: http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/ If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for Free trial, you'll get two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary descriptions for the products with pricing, trial and buy links at the bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions. (The pro version adds OCR capability). --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: voiceover test group
Gordon, To be fair, you should never have let slip you were involved publicly. The group is discrete and invite only. Apple have a number of testing groups and choose their participants carefully. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 05:12, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Amy I'm sorry but we are not allowed to go into detail like that. Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 21:22, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i saw a post mentioning the voiceover test group earlier, how do you get onto that? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: RSS in Safari 6
For those who were unable to open the link to get the RSS button back within Safari. Try this: http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2624/subscribe-to-feed-safari-extension The extension places a RSS button back onto your toolbar. Chris On 30 Jul 2012, at 12:00, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You might have missed this in part of the Mountain Lion beta cycle. But the RSS feature was removed in Safari 6. You can download a third party extension which puts the RSS feed button back from Get the Safari Feed Extension here from RedSweater You can then read the RSS feeds within Mail or your preferred RSS reader. Thanks Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: mountain lion
Gordon, Lightening web browser is not an Apple product, nor is new rack for that matter which were all updated via Software Update as Software Upate includes items from the App Store and they do not have to be specific Apple apps. Kind regards Chris On 29 Jul 2012, at 16:21, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Chris OK, let me clarify. As I did actually post last night, it includes all operating system and all other Apple applications. The apps you mention below are all Apple developed, or Apple licensed products. You know full well, Chris, that Pages, iPhoto, iMovie etc. are not third party products. Gordon On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:05, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Software Update also includes third party apps. Mine told me as well as the updates for Pages and Numbers and iPhoto and updates to Daniel's voice, that i also had an update to Lightening web browser (which I must admit only ever used once). --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: mountain lion
Sorry I meant to say in my previous message, that my original message did not just include Apple products. if you read it again, you will see this. On 29 Jul 2012, at 16:21, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Chris OK, let me clarify. As I did actually post last night, it includes all operating system and all other Apple applications. The apps you mention below are all Apple developed, or Apple licensed products. You know full well, Chris, that Pages, iPhoto, iMovie etc. are not third party products. Gordon On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:05, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Software Update also includes third party apps. Mine told me as well as the updates for Pages and Numbers and iPhoto and updates to Daniel's voice, that i also had an update to Lightening web browser (which I must admit only ever used once). --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Fleksy [Revisited]
Gordon, I agree, David is very softly spoken and VO always seems to be much louder than himself. It is my only criticism though as I feel he provides some excellent tutorials. Chris On 29 Jul 2012, at 18:58, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Esther Is it me, my system or have others also noticed that the audio on David's podcasts is absolutely dreadful? I can hardly hear what he's saying at times. The intro audio came over at normal volume so I don't think it is something this end. Gordon On 28 Jul 2012, at 23:21, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Gordon and Others, Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis mentioned as David Woodbridge: • Fleksy release demo July 2012: http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/ Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at: http://tffp.marrie.org/486 As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has additional features for using symbols and corrections for some of the version 1 limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other fixes, may be found in the app. Probably the most important information is to keep typing without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume that the app will identify the word you typed in one of the selections that you flick through. Occasionally there will just be certain words that aren't in it's dictionary, and you will have to slowly type and add these in. Or certain long, and complicated words will better be entered if you carefully find the first few letters, then revert to just guessing the positions of the other letters. I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so you have to exaggerate the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to use this at present. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: Hi Gordon I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, but I'm sure you'll find it if not. Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is needed, with apologies to others on the list. I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be. So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at you to show no more text to delete). Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with. With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on the left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard and immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but should here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up when typing in a noisy environment). Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left but a little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the bottom row would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much easier if you are actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the hang of it if you're not. Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right instead of pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). This brings up the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word should be 'bananas'. Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. No need to press anything. After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. If it gess the word wrong, flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; Up if you pass the word. And you're on your way. As said, if you need practical help, Gordon, message or email me and we can set up a Skype call on Sunday. As with
Re: mountain lion
Gordon, Software Update also includes third party apps. Mine told me as well as the updates for Pages and Numbers and iPhoto and updates to Daniel's voice, that i also had an update to Lightening web browser (which I must admit only ever used once). Cheers Chris On 28 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Paul That's correct, as I said though those are Apple system apps. I should have been more lucent in my explanation. So allow me to rephrase. If you launch software update via the Apple menu, you will receive operating system updates and other Apple product updates. If you launch the App Store and then highlight the Updates radio button, you will receive updates to third party products. It is true that in some ways the App store is a little inconsistent. But that's the general rule. Gordon Gordon On 28 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, Further to the attached I found that launching software update from the Apple menu on Mountain Lion gave me updates for Pages and Numbers which I had installed from the Mac App store some time ago on Lion. It did not give me updates for third party (non Apple) Apps previously installed from the Mac App store. So it looks like Software Update on MOUntain Lion will update all Apple software whether Mac OS or purchased from the App store. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Fleksy [Revisited]
Gordon, When you launch Fleksy you are instructed to triple click home to turn VO off. Do this, and explore the options by flicking to the right. You will find an option for instructions. These are very concise but precise. Failing that, either listen to David Woodbrdge's demo podcast on www.applevis.com or within the podcast section of iBlink radio on your iOS device. Chris On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:32, Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net wrote: Dear Gordon, If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage you to keep this discussion on the list. I'm still interested in reading more about user's experiences with Fleksy. Thanks, eric Caron On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how to use Fleksy. I only tried it once when Lynne bought it. But I am tired of having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is rich in detail. So, I guess, I have two options. Either I try to dictate messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing. The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with me, I need to type directly into the iPhone. And that would seem to be where Fleksy comes into play. Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with something already covered? I've just been checking the list archive but I can't find something as comprehensive as I need. My address is: gor...@mac-access.net Thank you in advance. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apples site for accessible apps ?
Try www.applevis.com Chris On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:42, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote: Hi, Can someone send the link for Apple's site of accessible apps? I have read before of a site that lists apps that are accessible, and I thought I saved the message, but the subject must not have been an obvious one for me to find it, while searching my saved messages. Thanks. Glenn --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: another mail bug or feature
Using a machine that does not have screen reader access? Have I just warped onto the Windows or Linux mailing list? HINT; Press command and F5 on any Mac and you will get a screen reader! *Sticks tongue out! Chris On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:07, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Gordon, I'm afraid I'm a demon for using generic keyboard access rather than screenreader commands when possible. I do this because if I'm on a machine with no screenreader I can still get around reasonably efficiently. I've used the VO-left/right to navigate. However to me it just seems cumbersome. I wholeheartedly agree with you about hiding favourites etc I did that right off, and also I much prefer the classic view. Cheers, Dónal On 26 Jul 2012, at 13:28, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Donal This has been the subject of much discussion. The only way I know to minimalist the change is to hide the Favourites bar and other things that I personally never use. Also, you might want to change the layout to Classic under the View preferences tab. Unfortunately though, Mail will never be the same again. The best way to navigate between the Mailbox table and the Messages table is to VO+Left/right cursor keys twice. If you're in the mailbox table, VO+Cursor right twice. If you're in the messages table of a mailbox, VO+Cursor Left twice. Gordon On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:41, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi, Yet another change to the Apple UI in Mountain Lion which is annoying the hell out of me is the change to the behaviour of tab or shift tab in Mail. Previously if I were on a message list I could hit shift-tab and go to the mailboxes list. Now, it takes me all over the place. Anyone else finding this? I'm probably the only one this is annoying but anyway. Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
Re: Mountain Lion Rumours
Gordon, Nothing to speculate, as Apple lays it bare here: http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html All 200+ features you will find in Apple's new OS listed by Apple themselves. Chris On 23 Jul 2012, at 17:28, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Chris yes, I know that is true. All the same, we've been told very clearly that we aren't allowed to discuss, promote the discussion of or speculation regarding Mountain Lion until it is released. Apple is very very tight now on who knows what and why. I know this sounds stupid but there it is. I don't particularly want Mac Access to get a bad name with Apple because we permit that sort of speculation. Gordon On 23 Jul 2012, at 01:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: All 200+ features are listed on Apple's website and have been there for some time. You can also get other tit bits from www.appleinsider.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mountain Lion Rumours
All 200+ features are listed on Apple's website and have been there for some time. You can also get other tit bits from www.appleinsider.com Chris On 22 Jul 2012, at 21:07, josh gregory wrote: Well, apologies. I was only curious, as I'm sure a lot of people are. But, ok. On 7/22/12, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Josh and all Let's not get too much involved with guessing as regards features. I can tell you for sure, there are a lot of wild rumours out there which have no basis in fact. It won't be long before you all see the new operating system. Gordon On 21 Jul 2012, at 22:41, josh gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: So they've again changed the date, originally it was supposed to be today. Will iOS alert-style popups now appear, with the new notification center? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Ways to Connect with me: facebook.com/evercuriousmasteryodo twitter.com/joshg93 Skype: joshgregory93 FaceTime, iMessage and iChat: joshkar...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ePub reading options on the Mac [was Re: ePUB]
Esther and Anne, Thank you very much. I have downloaded Adobe Additions and like it very much. Appears to have a few bugs, but it is a preview. It is a shame at this stage you can't interact with the text as I am reading a book on HTML5 and CSS 3 and would like to read by character when looking at the source code examples. So to get around this, I am reading the same book within the iBooks app for the iPhone. I am surprised Apple have not released iBooks for the Mac or the ability to read ePub within the Preview application on the Mac. Here's hoping they get around to it. Chris On 16 Jul 2012, at 22:45, Esther wrote: Hi Chris, Anne is correct that for DRM protected ePub books that use Adobe's ADE scheme, which is the most common commercially used DRM scheme, you have to use Adobe Digital Editions Preview to read the books. This is the DRM scheme used by Kobo, Barnes and Noble, Sony, and Google, along with many online bookstores that sell ePub books with DRM. In the case of hardware devices from Kobo and Sony, and the Barnes and Noble Nook, all of which I believe lack accessibility for visually impaired readers, these DRM-protected ePub files will also be natively supported on the readers. This format is also used by libraries for downloadable eBooks that can also be downloaded in the free OverDrive Media Console app for iOS. Apple's iBooks uses a different DRM scheme called FairPlay2, and there is currently no program that supports reading those files on a Mac. Adobe Digital Editions Preview is quite comfortable to use for reading if you don't need to use features for closer examination of the text, such as reading by character, or reviewing by line, etc. If you're trying to learn computer coding, where variables can be oddly spelled, and you need to check for special characters, delimiters, and spacing, there's currently no good reader that supports those features and also handles DRM that you can use on your computer. You have to use work arounds like using the VO-Shift-C to copy the page that VoiceOver read to the clipboard, and then paste that section into TextEdit where you can use all the regular VoiceOver navigation and reading options to review the material. I prefer reading library downloads with Adobe Digital Editions Preview on my Mac to reading the same downloads in OverDrive Media Console on my iPhone, though it's neat that I can browse and borrow through the OverDrive app on my iPhone or iPad once I've linked it to my library user account number. OverDrive on iOS is much better for audio book downloads from my library than it is for reading downloaded eBooks. Similarly, I can open ePub books with ADE DRM in the OverDrive app on my iPhone, but the reading experience isn't as good as with the Kobo app or Adobe Digital Editions Preview on my Mac. Basically, I'm only covering these details for completeness. Stanza desktop (to distinguish it from the iOS Stanza app that it was developed to support) works for multiple eReader formats, including ePub, provided these do not have DRM. However, it was originally developed mainly as a tool to unify the diverse set of mobile reading file formats, so that a supported standard, ePub, could be used with the iOS Stanza app. As such, it was primarily a desktop conversion tool that was adapted to also use as a reader and to support various upload options for the Stanza app. However, since Stanza is accessible with VoiceOver, and the other main eReader conversion tool, Calibre, is not (at least, not in its GUI interface -- you can run it with AppleScripts from Terminal), many blind readers are using it also as a reader. (In case you are interested, the iOS app can be used with VoiceOver and even with Braille devices, but is basically no longer supported, since Amazon bought out the competition. At one time Stanza on iOS devices was deemed the biggest challenger to Amazon's Kindle, and was backed by publishers, lead by MacMillan, to be the standard distribution tool for eBooks.) Stanza on the Mac is free and usable, but it has some focus quirks with VoiceOver for its advanced functions, such as bookmark navigation. Just use the navigation controls you would use for HTML content, and you can use all the heading shortcuts, etc. It does let you read by word, character, etc. Other accessible apps for DRM-free ePub reading on the Mac are iText Express or Pro (from the App store -- the Express version is free), and Bookle ($10 in the App Store), which is an app that the editors of the Take Control eBook series recently developed. They're still adding features, so I'd like to see support for more navigation options, but this is coming along, and uses a library organization to keep track of your books, as does Adobe Digital Editions Preview. Here are links to the Mac applications that were mentioned. The
Re: Adobe suspends work on accessible Flash Player for the Mac.
I personally think Adobe Flash will vanish within the next 5 years. Adobe have already stopped developing it for Android and it never arrived on iOS. I was surprised to see Microsoft built support for it into IE 10 for Windows 8. I expect HTML5 to replace many of the features that we came to expect from Flash. I have uninstalled Flash from my Mac altogether, which means I don't get to see as many annoying ads and plus you can use YouTube via HTML5 now. Oracle are another company moving away from Flash, so I honestly think Flash is doomed. Chris On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:04, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Folks, I guess this comes as no surprise, but it seems the folks at Adobe have decided not to make FLash Player accessible on the Mac after all. Adobe made a big deal back in March of 2010 when they announced their intention to make Flash Player accessible on Mac, Linux Windows. The promise has gone unfulfilled on the Mac and this evening an Adobe representative posted the following as part of a reply to a blog comment: Begin quote from Adobe representative As far as the accessible version of the Flash Player for the Mac, we announced at CSUN about a change in focus for the Flash Player – the Flash Player focus is on casual gaming and video – and the current guidance is to use native controls rather than embedding them within the Flash Player. As a result, the plan to deliver a Flash Player for the Mac with accessibility support was suspended. End quote from Adobe representative I guess the silver lining here is the fact that Adobe mentions native controls which I hope means something potentially more accessible. Link to the full blog post, which is not specifically addressing Flash Player. The quote comes from the comments section. http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2012/06/ruling-on-accessibility-and-the-ada.html#comments Link to Adobe's March 2010 post announcig the good news about forthcoming Flash accessibility: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: fleksy is out!
Well, I am usually the last to try these alternative input methods. I got bored with using the built in dictate for example. For some reason I really wanted to try this app despite being a bit sceptical. After 30 seconds of using it I have to say instantly I am very impressed! I am typing like I was when I first got the iPhone back in 2008 (I had vision then). This input method is quite accurate, intuitive and enjoyable. I would love to see this actually implemented directly into the OS. I can see myself using this for typing emails, notes, or lengthy messages. I don't think I would use it for conversations via text though, hence why I would like to see it added as a keyboard option to enable this. This app really is good and I can't believe how quick I have picked it up and how few errors I have made. Even if you do type the wrong word, you can easily cycle through suggested alternatives by swiping down. Punctuation is so much easier too. Chris ps I used the application to type this message! Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:23, william lomas wrote: now but when you flick to the right it word not what youw ant you just flick up and down apparently On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:16, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote: is it worth the $15 is it really that easy to use? i am scared i won't know what i am typing if it does not say like for example i am writing a word like bat will it say b a t as you press each letter n 13/07/2012, at 7:53 PM, William Mutch wrote: Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now Sent from my iPad On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote: if we only have to pay once that would be good On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote: not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we shall see On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote: ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it matter that its only i phone size On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote: i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full ipad experience On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote: it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote: doens't say ipad ind escription though? On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote: yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote: ok does it work on ipad? On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Here is there link. I just love this app! http://fleksy.com/app Take care all. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
Re: fleksy is out!
Gordon makes a valid point. I am sure I paid more for Navigon, M Daisy, Blind Square (and never use it) ZoomReader, Digitize barcode scanning etc. In the UK the app is about £10, and I think it is a small price to pay if it is going to make your life a bit easier. The developers have made the API available for other developers, so watch this space I guess. How much did you all pay for a bluetooth keyboard or braille input device? bet it was more than $15 Chris On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:12, Gordon Smith wrote: I think the decision regarding the price being too high is entirely a personal one. To be honest, I think that $15.00 isn't too bad a price if you get value from the application. Remember also that development costs money, and those of us who provide services for others don't get our resources for free. The Internet is not self-funded, although a lot of people just seem to assume that it is a free for all. Here at Mac Access we do our best to help those who we can help. We offer hosting for visually impaired people for free or for cost price if we need to register a top level domain for them. But I am straying off the point. The price is the price, it's really a simple personal choice as to whether or not you pay it. It's value for money if you get good use out of the application. If you do not, well, you made the choice. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:51, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: if was intigrated i dont think be too much but as it isn't for now, I think it is. but as people say they need to make money --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: fleksy is out!
If you had to listen to every letter you type, it would slow the typing process down and that can already be achieved with touch typing mode on the iPhone as standard with VO. The idea behind this app is to be able to type faster and more efficiently. If you hold your finger long enough on the keyboard to enter words in manually, you can then hear each letter. If you have not done so already, I would seriously recommend reading the instructions or listening to the demo preview podcast on applevis.com Chris On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:30, krystal watson wrote: i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i could have known that with out buying the app and testing it first that is the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you like it before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote: It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to four times the price. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial. I can always hope that it goes on sale. LOL Hugs, Andrea M. Breier -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: fleksy is out! Pay for quality Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get what you want? I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high. Guess I will wait and watch the reviews for a while. Hugs, Andrea M. Breier -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM To: mac access list iOS Accessibility Subject: fleksy is out! Here is there link. I just love this app! http://fleksy.com/app Take care all. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Re: fleksy is out!
Gordon, Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing. On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote: Hello Abdrea Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the developer's website, is that not correct? Apple has a policy that trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store. Feel free to check out their terms and conditions. I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to comment when I've seen it. On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while. Anybody know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode? I've looked under the accessibility tab but didn't see it there. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought. I went to the app store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this particular app. It is alright to post comments for discussion here? As far as trials provided in the app store. I disagree. I have downloaded several apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached. I do not recall the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs. Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price compared to other apps in the app store Hugs, Andrea M. Breier -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: fleksy is out! Hi Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App store. As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, I grant you that it does happen on the Windows side of things. But just take a look at what you're getting with your iOS device for free. Voiceover itself took a great deal of development and resources. Apple opted to make that free for all of us. The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a personal decision. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to four times the price. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial. I can always hope that it goes on sale. LOL --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is
Re: fleksy is out!
Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in Safari (such as Headings, lists, tables etc). The gesture also works on the Mac track pad. Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock, then rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other at 6. Very much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier. Give it a go, and if you like it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your rotor, I could not live without this convenience, even on the Mac when testing websites. Chris On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Chris I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor before! I have never found the need to investigate it. So I guess I'll have to do that. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing. On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote: Hello Abdrea Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the developer's website, is that not correct? Apple has a policy that trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store. Feel free to check out their terms and conditions. I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to comment when I've seen it. On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while. Anybody know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode? I've looked under the accessibility tab but didn't see it there. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought. I went to the app store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this particular app. It is alright to post comments for discussion here? As far as trials provided in the app store. I disagree. I have downloaded several apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached. I do not recall the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs. Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price compared to other apps in the app store Hugs, Andrea M. Breier -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: fleksy is out! Hi Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App store. As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, I grant you that it does happen on the Windows side of things. But just take a look at what you're getting with your iOS device for free. Voiceover itself took a great deal of development and resources. Apple opted to make that free for all of us. The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a personal decision. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to four times the price. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial. I can always hope that it goes on sale. LOL --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from
Re: fleksy is out!
Simple, blind people want everything for free! Let's remember folks that we are a small group compared to the non sighted world. Either way, dev costs have to be met and of course if there is more people who could buy the app, then the price is obviously going to be cheaper as the app will pay for itself with a higher volume of sales. So the blind targeted apps are not going to sell as many mainstream apps. I am sure one or two of you have paid a few dollars for a blind friendly game. On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:54, Mike Maslo wrote: I think it is country productive to cry about a price. If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is the purpose of complaining? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought. I went to the app store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this particular app. It is alright to post comments for discussion here? As far as trials provided in the app store. I disagree. I have downloaded several apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached. I do not recall the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs. Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price compared to other apps in the app store Hugs, Andrea M. Breier -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: fleksy is out! Hi Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App store. As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, I grant you that it does happen on the Windows side of things. But just take a look at what you're getting with your iOS device for free. Voiceover itself took a great deal of development and resources. Apple opted to make that free for all of us. The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a personal decision. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to four times the price. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial. I can always hope that it goes on sale. LOL --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail
Re: fleksy is out!
Next time you are in Safari, just give it a go and then flick up and down to jump between headings etc. Actually makes surfing on the iPhone and iPad really enjoyable. On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:28, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Chris Wow! How on earth did I ever live without that! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. To be utterly honest I've never used the rotor function on any platform because I've never found the need for it. I still don't use the trackpad on my Macs, I just can't get out of the habit of keyboard use, engrained in me for a very long time I guess. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:04, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in Safari (such as Headings, lists, tables etc). The gesture also works on the Mac track pad. Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock, then rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other at 6. Very much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier. Give it a go, and if you like it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your rotor, I could not live without this convenience, even on the Mac when testing websites. Chris On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Chris I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor before! I have never found the need to investigate it. So I guess I'll have to do that. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing. On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote: Hello Abdrea Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the developer's website, is that not correct? Apple has a policy that trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store. Feel free to check out their terms and conditions. I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to comment when I've seen it. On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while. Anybody know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode? I've looked under the accessibility tab but didn't see it there. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought. I went to the app store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this particular app. It is alright to post comments for discussion here? As far as trials provided in the app store. I disagree. I have downloaded several apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached. I do not recall the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs. Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price compared to other apps in the app store Hugs, Andrea M. Breier -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: fleksy is out! Hi Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App store. As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, I grant you that it does happen on the Windows side of things. But just take a look at what you're getting with your iOS device for free. Voiceover itself took a great deal of development and resources. Apple opted to make that free for all of us. The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a personal decision. Gordon On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote: It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to four times the price. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial. I can always hope that it goes on sale. LOL --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac
Re: Why do blind people like the iPad?
I was so waiting for someone to comment on that :) On 20 May 2012, at 16:18, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Jane! Well Sorry about this but Fanny has a different meaning here! A better term could be Butt or Bumbag! Just one of those things where UK English is a little different! *smile* Colin On 20 May 2012, at 15:48, Jane wrote: I like the iPad because typing on it is much easier than on my iPod. I've had tolearn to type with two index fingers on the iPod, but when I use the iPad in Landscape mode, I can touch-type the way I was taught to. Also, the larger screen does make a difference as far as presentation of information goes. It's larger, so you cna literally get a feel for how stuff is arranged on a web site by moving your finger around. Besides, you don't have to scroll as much as you do with the iPod. I am glad I have the iPod though, it sure is a lot more portable--I can slip it in a pocket or my fanny pack and just go, and when I want to take the iPad, I have to take a large bag I can hang over my neck to protect it. Just some reasons, but I would not give either device up! Jane --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Earphone Volume Booster Amplifier For iPhone
Why blind people specifically? On 19 Apr 2012, at 07:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: Yep your points are well taken but let's be frank about this, blind people - in general - couldn't give a stuff about those who have a hearing impairment until it happens to them. A general comment and observation smile. On 19/04/2012, at 4:22 PM, David Griffith wrote: As someone who has borderline severe hearing loss I can assure you I need loud headphone. My sister is in the same position and quiet devices and headphones are useful to us as the chocolate teapot or the proverbial rubber shovel. If we are not allowed a powerful headphone we are completely excluded from mainstream devices. Routinely we use devices at top volume and the headphone response is often crucial in determining whether it is usable or not's What annoys me sometimes is that people believe it is somehow a matter of choice for people like us. Neither my sister nor myself will buy loop headphones from the RNID now in the UK because they are so useless in terms of volumes. What is the point of shelling out £35 for a pair of headphones when the result is that you cannot hear the talking book you are listening to at all? The problem here is that such organisations are so concerned with preventing the onset of hearing loss amongst the hearing population they are completely losing sight of their main purpose, supporting the needs of people who are already hearing impaired, in my case since birth. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: 19 April 2012 03:21 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Earphone Volume Booster Amplifier For iPhone I've often speculated that such amplifiers contribute to yet even further hearing loss, like loud headphones can damage the hearing of someone with normal hearing, it seems to me that it would do similar damage to someone with hearing loss. I have listened to music too loud in the past, and I have tinnitus, and I now avoid headphones. Glenn - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan d.tretho...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: Earphone Volume Booster Amplifier For iPhone Hi! I received this amplifier in the mail today and said I'd write to the list with my findings. Not much needs to be said, amp does all it claims to do. The device looks like a small fuse holder with a clip on the back for attachment to a pocket or collar. At one end is a lead for plugging into the dock of your iPhone/iPod whilst the socket for headphone connection is at the other. The controls are simple enough, a volume up and down, pause control in the middle with track back and forward buttons on the outside of the row. This amplifier gives you plenty of volume boost for your headphones if needed and perhaps I can illustrate what I mean by saying that I can hear the iPhone through my top of the line Senhiser model, normally I would only get this type of volume out of my Hi-Fi amplifier. I also have a 90% hearing loss so and - through these headphones - my iPhone/iPod can barely be heard by me at normal volume levels given out by these devices. I paid $25.00 for this amplifier and that to me is well worth the money. For Australian customers you can find the amp at http://www.warcom.com.au/products/20124_fiio_e1_earphone_volume_booster_amp lifier_for_iphone_white For those living outside Australia? I'm not sure whether the online shop at the above link wil ship internationally but give them a try, I've found Warcom pretty good to deal with. Alternatively perhaps a few minutes with Google will track this amplifier down at other sites world-wide. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Re: Using Siri
Lynne, To send the text message, just pause speaking for a while. Siri will assume that is the end of message and then ask you what you want to do with it as it shows it to you. From here you can send the message either by hitting send message on screen or you can hit cancel, or you can press listen and speak the command. Chris On 17 Apr 2012, at 16:21, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello Chris This is terrific; thank you ever so. On 15 Apr 2012, at 20:18, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: • You first need to turn Siri on within the settings. Voice dialling is turned on by default. Yes; I've got that far. • Once turned on, you then hold down the home button to wake Siri. I've had a brief play with it; but had no idea it was as interactive as all this! • Remind me to phone my Mother tomorrow Wake me up tomorrow at 7am What is the weather going to be like today, will I need a rain coat? What time is it currently in New York? Send a message to... or send an email to. How many dollars can you get to the pound? How many kilgrams is there in a stone? Who is Madonna? What is your name? How old are you? Are you male or female? Tell me a joke Goodnight Siri (you get a witty response if it is daytime) What is your favourite colour? What is the meaning of life? Beam me up Siri Define the word . Who is the current prime minister of the united kingdom? Call ... Play music by Set timer for 30 minutes Tell me a joke Siri I love you Create a new note You can also ask Siri mathematical questions, advance or basic. • You can ask Siri to look subjects up in wikipedia, or ask it to do a google search for example. You can aks it to read all new messages or emails etc • Try crazy things and just enjoy it. • I would now be lost wihtout Siri, I even dictate all my messages and set up appointments etc with Siri. • It is just a real shame we do not have access to businesses in the UK yet. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Using Siri
Lynne, You first need to turn Siri on within the settings. Voice dialling is turned on by default. Once turned on, you then hold down the home button to wake Siri. You can ask Siri questions such as: Remind me to phone my Mother tomorrow Wake me up tomorrow at 7am What is the weather going to be like today, will I need a rain coat? What time is it currently in New York? Send a message to... or send an email to. How many dollars can you get to the pound? How many kilgrams is there in a stone? Who is Madonna? What is your name? How old are you? Are you male or female? Tell me a joke Goodnight Siri (you get a witty response if it is daytime) What is your favourite colour? What is the meaning of life? Beam me up Siri Define the word . Who is the current prime minister of the united kingdom? Call ... Play music by Set timer for 30 minutes Tell me a joke Siri I love you Create a new note You can also ask Siri mathematical questions, advance or basic. You can ask Siri to look subjects up in wikipedia, or ask it to do a google search for example. You can aks it to read all new messages or emails etc Try crazy things and just enjoy it. I would now be lost wihtout Siri, I even dictate all my messages and set up appointments etc with Siri. It is just a real shame we do not have access to businesses in the UK yet. Chris On 15 Apr 2012, at 18:52, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello everybody I have a quick and, to some, obvious question. When one is using Siri, does one hold down the Home button as one does when using the dial applet by voice? Also, can anybody give me a few example commands to get started with it? Thank you in advance. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Barclays Online Banking
Is anyone on here and a Barclays customer? They have revised their website and I think personally it is a major step backwards for accessibility. Their previous site worked good for me, now it is just very cluttered and quite confusing at times when trying to navigate with voiceover on the Mac. I had to resort to using their mobile site (first time ever) and that site is way too basic, does not even have headings to anchor on, and you can only see about 5 items within your monthly statement Anyone used the new site yet and/or have any comments? Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Barclays Online Banking
Is anyone on here and a Barclays customer? They have revised their website and I think personally it is a major step backwards for accessibility. Their previous site worked good for me, now it is just very cluttered and quite confusing at times when trying to navigate with voiceover on the Mac. I had to resort to using their mobile site (first time ever) and that site is way too basic, does not even have headings to anchor on, and you can only see about 5 items within your monthly statement. Anyone used the new site yet and/or have any comments? Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: heading levels on the web
I find it is best to bring up the rotor for all headings, then if you just want to look at all the heading 3s for example, just press the number 3 and every item containing a heading 3 will be filtered in the rotor list. Chris On 1 Apr 2012, at 18:50, william lomas wrote: hi all how would I please in lion jump to say a heading level 1? i have the newspapers now here in the UK and each section like news, features, sport , is alla t heading level 1 and the articles within are heading level 2 but vo keys command h jumps through all headings it seems regardless of level --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: heading levels on the web
You sure would, it works for me, but if anyone knows of a better solution, then please chime in. On 1 Apr 2012, at 19:14, william lomas wrote: so if i pressed say 1, i'd see all level 1 press enter to be taken to that level? On 1 Apr 2012, at 18:56, Chris Moore wrote: I find it is best to bring up the rotor for all headings, then if you just want to look at all the heading 3s for example, just press the number 3 and every item containing a heading 3 will be filtered in the rotor list. Chris On 1 Apr 2012, at 18:50, william lomas wrote: hi all how would I please in lion jump to say a heading level 1? i have the newspapers now here in the UK and each section like news, features, sport , is alla t heading level 1 and the articles within are heading level 2 but vo keys command h jumps through all headings it seems regardless of level --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: heading levels on the web
Yeah common fault of VO, my advice is to report it to Apple and provide the page URL too. I have reported this numerous times. On 1 Apr 2012, at 19:26, william lomas wrote: now voiceover not seeing all the headings on the page even though theya re there? sigh On 1 Apr 2012, at 18:56, Chris Moore wrote: I find it is best to bring up the rotor for all headings, then if you just want to look at all the heading 3s for example, just press the number 3 and every item containing a heading 3 will be filtered in the rotor list. Chris On 1 Apr 2012, at 18:50, william lomas wrote: hi all how would I please in lion jump to say a heading level 1? i have the newspapers now here in the UK and each section like news, features, sport , is alla t heading level 1 and the articles within are heading level 2 but vo keys command h jumps through all headings it seems regardless of level --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iPod Touch
Hmmm I am waiting until after the 7th of March before I buy an iPod Touch. It has not been updated since September 2010. So I think a refresh is due. iPad mini anyone? On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:43, Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! Ordered my iPod touch today, just curious to know whether the Touch has the GPS like the iPhone? I notice that Maps is part of the built-in Apps set and that got me wondering. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Altec Lansing inmotion KICK IMT 520 portable iPhone/iPod Dock
Get a Commodore 64, great sound and so retro! On 5 Dec 2011, at 17:31, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Lew! Nope you don't want one of those old things! Why don't you get that red hot number Atari 128K system! hahahahahaha :] Colin Qapla! On 5 Dec 2011, at 17:22, Lewis Alexander wrote: for me, not sure what I'm thinking of for christmas. my mind's not on it at the mo. busy trying to prepare some CD's for the older macs to get working. this is going to be difficult at best. time for a seriously strong coffee, chocolate, etc. maybe might treat myself to a macbook air... I've some savings left from a previous job. thinking about it. lew On 5 Dec 2011, at 17:20, Sarah Alawami wrote: Will do. I don't want to sync my hard earned money in to something that won't work in a few months lol! Maybe if this will work I can ask for it for the holidays lol! or my birthday next year lol! On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: this system sounds like a good number of products here in the UK and yes by the sound of it, it's rather blind friendly. most of these systems are either remote controlled and use the dock for iPhone / iPod touch, etc. it should support the iPhone 5 when released in the future as these products cover from the 4s down to the earlier product ranges. best thing is to check on apple's store site as it may be sold there. there options are to check with the manufacturer if your product is compatible. lew On 5 Dec 2011, at 17:10, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh wow. If I do get this thing do you think it will supports the 4s or 5 what ever comes out when I upgrade in june next year, or will I have to wait, again. lol! I don't have a iPod doc and never have, but Also will the apple remote I bought also control this thing/ I hear they can control iPhones if they are connected via the iPod doc. Iv'e heard good things about this company. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Dane trethowan wrote: One word sums up this unit, Beautiful! in both looks and sound and price, I bought the power house for $85.00 Australian, normally this little beauty is around $225.00 Australian so shop around. A brief description, the dock looks like a very square boombox, a speaker each side of the dock itself. Basic controls are on the top of the dock and they're well spaced with nice big buttons, if you have good touch you'll be able to feel the symbols and writing on each. The controls turn on power, play/pause, adjust volume up and down and go to previous nad next track, a more advanced control layout is offered on the remote. Sound is what you'd expect from an Altec Lansing device, plenty of bass, plenty of mid-range and hice crisp clear tops. The set uses an internal rechargeable battery which gives around 6 hours of playing time, when the dock is powered the iPhone or iPod will charge with the dock. Convenience is another word which can be used to describe this piece of equipment, you can for example pick the unit up and set it down on a stirdy stand in a few seconds with the use of the folding handle, fold it upright to pick the device up, fold it into a middle locking position to make a angled stand for a desktop or tuck the handle away completely when carrying the dock in a case or a bag. The small card-type remote control for the Dock slits into the back panel when not in use or when transporting which is a nice touch, no excused to lose the remote control for this dock smile. On list we've discussed the Jawbone Jambox speaker system so I guess the obvious question is, How is this dock different from the Jambox?. Firstly, the inmotion KICK IMT 520 is a wired dock, that is to say that an iPhone or iPod plugs into it either by the dock connector or via the line-in jack at the rear of the unit, this dock does not have Bluetooth facilities and nor is it a hands free Speakerphone. If a call does come and your music is playing, the music will be paused allowing you to answer the call in the usual ways, either by tapping the screen of your iPhone or by using some sort of speakerphone device. How does the sound compare to the Jambox? We're talking 2 totally different beasts here, Jambox has a more Solid sound however Jambox would be totally out of place in a noisy room or at a party, the Altec inmotion KICK IMT 520 is clear and loud enough to be heard at your party or gathering so in the words of the brochure for the system Pick it up, put it down and play!. -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To
Re: Makin' Movies!
Gordon, you can also record video within Photobooth On 17 Oct 2011, at 15:58, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi again all Some time ago Lynne registered the full blown version of QuickTime Player so that it became Quicktime Pro 7. I haven't had time to figure out how it works until now and a few minutes ago I created my first movie. As I understand it, the quality using the MacBook Pro's internal Eyesight camera was pretty good, and it set me thinking. Why not have a go at a video podcast? So, this I plan to do with the JamBox from Jawbone as the subject. This will be used to supplement my wife's recent review of that amazing piece of kit which we now use all the time. My problem is that I can't quite remember whether I did anything after pressing Command+Option+N to initiate a new movie recording. And I can't reliably repro the movie I made. So, if somebody has the brief steps to follow it would be helpful. But I am encouraged and will definitely add this to my podcast site as and when I get it done. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iCloud versus MobileMe Web interface = Same old same old?
It would still be very useful though, imagine your iPhone dies, and you are at work and have to then log into iCloud via the website to send a email or retrieve a phone number etc or look in your calendar. Sighted folks can do this, so why not us? Google are doing a wonderful job of making their web apps accessible, so come on Apple. Chris On 14 Oct 2011, at 05:25, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Brian, You're correct, I'm afraid. However, I'd argue that iCloud doesn't require the web interface at all, it can be controlled entirely from your iOS devices and your macs, and apparently even PCs. I don't think the web apps are any great loss. THis isn't to excuse APple for not making them more useable, but the point still stands. Best, Zack. On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Folks, Subject line says it all, but I' hoping maybe I just missed something. Can anyone else who previously used a mobile me account and is now using icloud take a browse around the web interface and tell me if you're having any luck? I'm getting a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the opening login screen, a time zone picker that is inaccessible, and then what appears to be the same old mobile me web apps that are not reporting anything in the web rotor. TIA, Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: downloading premium voices.
Sounds like I need to give your shoulders a rub to calm you down. I rote to Apple about this too. So hopefully between us all they will get the message. Personally I was happy the way the voices were in the previous OS build. I liked Karen, but she seems to say things in a different way now. It is even harder to tell the difference between M and N. Wish we could have Alex Chris On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:37, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Yes Nick that has been absolutely my experience, I'm glad to see you echoing it. I've set the voice to the Australian one, I just can't determine if the HQ voice has downloaded. When I put the use compact voice on, I do hear a difference in sound. My point wasn't so much about using (or not) the irish voice, it was simply that surely I should have a say in whether it downloads or not? I mean, it's my damn iPhone isn't it? Maybe I want to keep the space taken up by the premium voice for something else? Sighted users have choices in their visual displays in terms of themeing them with wall-papers etc. Why shouldn't we as blind users have the same choices over the visual theming? That last bit is an extract of a mail I sent to apple, which yet again has been ignored. Dónal On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Donál While it will download the premium voice, simply go into SettingsGeneralAccessibilityVoiceOver and toggle the Use compact voice switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go into SettingsGeneralInternationalRegion Format and select the other format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Sorry Chris don't follow you? On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. On 13/10/2011 21:20, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi All, Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable band-width I don't want to waste. Thanks. Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
Re: voices in iOS five
It would make more sense if Apple enables us to decide on what the default voice should be. Should i really have to listen to Daniel every time I hold in my home button to verbally interact with my phone? This does not just effect VO users, but anyone who takes advantage of voice commands, especially in the iPhone 4s. Drivers are able to select their preferred voice when listening to GPS systems such as TomTom etc. So as users become more dependant on barking instructions at their phone and listening to the default voice (which they can't change), they are going to start demanding the ability to choose what their PA should sound like. Chris On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about. If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear if you don't use them for a time. That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear that one up. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else. Regards, Nic On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and changeing it that way? I think that if you do that, there's no need to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily between British and US English voices on IOS 5. Best wishes. Jonathan On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Nic Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL. Lynne On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I personally have never had issues doing this. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/.
Re: iTunes; Ping
Lynne, Ping is Apple's attempt at social networking. When set up, ping users are then able to follow other ping users and see what they are buying or listening too. The main aim was too allow users to see what their friends were purchasing or listening too/viewing. The other major selling point for the service was to allow fans to see what their idols are buying or have in their music collection etc. Ping was supposed to be able to link up with Facebook, but after 18 months of negotiations the deal fell apart. Ping never took off and probably won't unless Apple think about integrating it into it's forth coming iMessage service. Chris On 22 Sep 2011, at 13:42, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello everybody Could somebody please explain to me what is Ping in terms of iTunes, how is it used and for what? Thanks. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OT: From Lynne Gordon; Our Heartfelt and sincere thanks
Lynne, Give gordon a great big fat kiss from me. He is not bad for a smog monster. Hugs and stuff Chris PS Sorry for not contacting privately, I have a 7pm deadline to hit! On 13 Sep 2011, at 18:49, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello everybody I don't want to be accused of monopolising this list as happened last time I dared to make personal comment here. But the response has been so overwhelmingly favourable this time that I felt I had to write at least once. First of all, thank you very much to Anne and James for stepping into the breech as such short notice. I am deeply touched by all of the good wishes on the forum by members. I won't forget it. Gordon had an operation this afternoon and I'm on my way to see him very shortly. I have special dispensation from the hospital owing to the circumstances to stay late tonight with him. I won't detail on list what happened; but if anybody wants to know feel free to contact me privately, ly...@mac-access.net and I'll gladly let you know. I will also be sure to pass on all of your kind comments to Gordon; I am sure that at this difficult time he will find it uplifting. I am grateful to each and every one of you who has written, privately or otherwise. I want you all to know also that should anybody be thinking of purchasing TC books at this time, please don't hesitate. I will probably take a little longer than usual but I will still be more than happy to expedite your orders. My sincere gratitude once again to each and every one of you who have written. You put those who were supposed to be our friends but have ignored us of late to shame. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it handles numbers and is very smart about it. It can be set to recognise phone numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, such as 1 would be read out as nine teen etc. I was disappointed to see that number handling in VO had not been improved. Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML. THis has proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS. On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
David, Have you got the full size keyboard, i.e. the one with the numeric keypad? That is the one I have, and the keys are a bit larger, still very flat but I now love it. I dread using my PC keyboard now as the keys seem so clunky. Give it time, you might grow to love it. On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:18, David Griffith wrote: One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ITunes 10.4.1 update
The app is lightening fast and so pleased this update has appeared so quickly fixing those annoying bugs. 2 other minor bugs are still in place, VO describes the column browser as the playlist browser and you can't read the About iTunes Window. Chris On 23 Aug 2011, at 03:20, Jane wrote: There is still one annoying bug. When you go to the App Updates page, there is no link that says update all free apps. You have to click on the link that just says link. I agree that the rest of it works well. Jane On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:37 PM, mike wrote: hey all, If you haven't gotten the ITunes 10.4.1 update yet I'd suggest you do as soon as you can, it fixes the problem where voiceover wouldn't read the sources table, and my guess the other places that didn't read as well. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Open Office
David, A dmg file is a disk image, you will have to drag the applications to your applications folder. OpenOffice uses JAVA and is fairly accessible but very tedious, you have to more or less interact with every paragraph you type. If you want a Word processor for free, then search for a one called Beam. Thanks Chris On 22 Aug 2011, at 16:57, David Griffith wrote: Has anybody managed to use Open Office on the Mac? I downloaded it and opened Writer. Although I could access the menus there was no typing echo for anything I typed. The install program installed I think JavaScript when I installed it. The download came as a dmg file and as far as I can see it has not installed to my applications folder also. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6400 (20110822) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Moving a Character at a time
One thing I have noticed with Lion, pressing control + the left arrow scrolls the entire screen to the left and reveals dashboard widgets. On 18 Aug 2011, at 09:23, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello David, I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. Move by character - left and right arrows; move by word - option-left and right arrows; move by line - up and down arrows; move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. Cheers, Anne On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. Regards David Griffith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Moving a Character at a time
If you like using quick nav, then you could set it up as a activity for Safari. This would mean that when you are not using Safari, quick nav would be turned off and it would save you having to remember to turn quick nav off when not using Safari. On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:56, David Griffith wrote: This was indeed the case. I had quick nav keys on. I thought they only applied to the Web. I tried to email when I discovered this a couple of hours ago but was getting mailer error return messages on the Mac. I have therefore switched to the PC for the time being. Regards David Griffith I have come back onto -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 09:24 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Moving a Character at a time Hello David, I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. Move by character - left and right arrows; move by word - option-left and right arrows; move by line - up and down arrows; move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. Cheers, Anne On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. Regards David Griffith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6386 (20110817) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6386 (20110817) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your
Re: Lion Mail, hiding read messages.
If you are using the new layout, you can go to preferences and set list preview to none. There is not a hide read mail filter, I believe this could be done in Outlook Express. If you want something similar, you could always sort the messages by unread. Your unread messages then would appear at the top of the list first. Chris On 18 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: hello Sean I don't think you can hide messages you've read. But getting rid of the preview window; here's how I think it's done with VoiceOver. Interact with the splitter next to the Preview window and drag the size down to 0. Then you have to do a physical mouse click on that splitter I think. Move the mouse pointer to the splitter using Command+VO+F5 and then use the trackpad to click it. That's just from memory; but I think it works. Lynne On 18 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Sean Murphy wrote: How can I hide read messages? Also how do you get rid of the prev-window? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: New Mac Initial impressions
David, Press VO+F2 to switch between windows and also see what current window you are in. Press VO+F1 to switch between applications. By pressing either of these shortcuts brings up a menu on screen in a similar way to the rotor and item chooser. Just use the arrow up and down keys to select the item you want and hit enter. I would also recommend you try the rotor (vo+U) for when surfing the web too, as you can filter the results. VO+K also turns on the keyboard help which will let you explore keyboard combinations, remember to press escape to get out of the keyboard help. You can also practice gestures whilst in keyboard help too. Chris On 16 Aug 2011, at 15:56, David Griffith wrote: dear list Just to report some things that are making my life easier as a Mac User. Not every thing is going completely smoothly as you might expect . But some things I learnt today have definitely made life much easier. Firstly I have turned on Num pad Commander. This has revolutionised the usability of Voiceover navigation for me and I would strongly recommend it to a new Mac user of Voiceover. The main things I am missing are a way to go back between dialogues and windows and a command to tell me what window I am in. I am sure they are around. I just need to learn what they are. Num Pad commander is definitely making life easier though . Secondly today I learnt about quick nav keys and single letter web navigation. As I understand it the single letter navigation is a new feature of Lion. This is a brilliant feature and I cannot really understand why it is not the default setting. I was a little concerned at how long it was taking me to navigate web pages on the web yesterday. Now with this settings change using the web is again a rapid and easy process for me. Nearly All the single letter navigation keys I used with Jaws on Windows web pages are now available. For example I can press B to jump to a button after pressing f to jump to the edit box, then H to jump to headings or even the numbers 1 2 3 etc to jump to different heading levels . It is c for a check box rather than X but that is fine. R for radio button is obvious as is N for next etc. I had pretty much resigned myself to voiceover not being as flexible as Jaws on web pages but with these navigation commands and track pad gestures Voiceover has moved ahead I think. All in in all a reassuring day. David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6382 (20110816) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Turning on the I-Mac
David, The circle you are feeling on the front below the screen is actually the Apple logo. You will find the power button on the back of the iMac. Place your left hand on the left hand side of the iMac and gently feel around to the back bottom corner and you should find a round power button. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:01, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Gifting App Store applications
You can gift apps within iTunes itself. On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi everyone, According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking Gift this app in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have Tell a friend and Copy Link. I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. Thank you. Regards, Nic--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Gifting App Store applications
Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is gift this app. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: You can gift apps within iTunes itself. On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi everyone, According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking Gift this app in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have Tell a friend and Copy Link. I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. Thank you. Regards, Nic--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware
Apple Releases Utility to Create Lion Recovery USB Key
Apple Releases Utility to Create Lion Recovery USB Key Apple today released Lion Recovery Disk Assistant, a utility that lets users create a Lion recovery partition on an external drive or USB key. Lion Recovery lets users repair disks or reinstall OS X Lion without the need for a physical disc. To create an external Lion Recovery, download the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant application. Insert an external drive, launch the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant, select the drive where you would like to install, and follow the on screen instructions. When the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant completes, the new partition will not be visible in the Finder or Disk Utility. To access Lion Recovery, reboot the computer while holding the Option key. Select Recovery HD from the Startup Manager. Lion Recovery Disk Assistant can be downloaded from Apple's support website. Apple's knowledge base article about the utility notes that the partition it creates has all the same capabilities as the Lion Recovery that is installed during a Lion installation. However, this partition could be used in the event a user can't start their computer from the Recovery partition or if the hard drive is replaced. [Users can] reinstall Lion, repair the disk using Disk Utility, restore from a Time Machine backup, or browse the web with Safari. This drive can be used in the event you cannot start your computer with the built-in Recovery HD, or you have replaced the hard drive with a new one that does not have Mac OS X installed. The document has two final notes: - If the computer shipped with Lion, the external recovery drive can only be used with the system that created it. - If the system was upgraded from Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard to Lion, the external recovery drive can be used with other systems that were upgraded from Snow Leopard to Lion. We had previously reported that in order to do a clean install of Lion, Snow Leopard would need to be installed first. With this recovery partition creator, there is now an official path to perform a clean install without Snow Leopard. Also, this would seem to make the unofficial Lion boot disk creator unnecessary. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Magic Trackpad: I'm a convert!
Gordon, I totally agree. I own a Macbook and a iMac. I tend to use my iMac more, as like you say the trackpad on the Macbook just gets in the way sometimes when typing. I also prefer the bigger keys and number pad on my iMac. Then there is the magic trackpad, makes life so much easier. Chris On 4 Aug 2011, at 07:30, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all OK, I have to admit it. Although I really find the trackpad on the MacBook Pro a bit of a pain because it gets in my way when typing, it's too small, and so it goes on. Since Lynne bought us a couple of Magic Trackpads about 2 or 3 weeks back, I now can't quite believe I ever managed to live without this little tablet. It makes reading and interacting with websites a total breeze, and it goes quite some way towards eliminating the need for keys. obviously not if there's editing to do, but for genera reading it's super duper! I have to admit that I even use a Blue Tooth keyboard now with our MacBooks and prefer to use the machine that way rather than have the MBP sitting on my lap taking up space. It's just so much more convenient. How did we ever live without these boxes of magic? Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion?
I am running Onyx here which is a similar free tool, they have updated it for Lion and it works a treat. On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Dane, Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. Regards, Nic On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Subject line asks the question smile, I now can't get this to work. Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver
Nope, you can use your Apple ID. On 1 Aug 2011, at 05:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: but you need to have a free dev account I believe. Thanks for that as well. Take care all. On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote: You can also go to http://bugreport.apple.com and report your issues there too. On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:01, Kevin Chao wrote: Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver users say things such as: I hope Apple will fix this, I wish Apple will fix that, and I know Apple will fix this. Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all focused on accessibility. Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: accessibil...@apple.com or, there's the option to use AppleCare. In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. Please let Apple accessibility know the following: Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): Summary: Steps to Reproduce Expected: Actual: Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as expected in OS X 10.6.8): Notes: Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Producing video podcasts using iSight
Gordon, In Photobooth it is listed (I believe) as the preview area, am sure Lynne will be able to confirm that with you. Thanks Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:03, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi VChris Stupid question maybe; but how do you get focus on to your display? Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Chris Moore wrote: Gordon, Take a look here and see which one takes your fancy: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/webcam-communications/webcams Also, I opened Photobooth, selected movie, then pressed command + t to start recording a movie (this is also located under the file menu) and it worked fine, the results end up being placed in pictures/photobooth library within your home folder. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:29, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Chris Thanks for this. What I'm now looking into is setting this up properly for Mac Access and offering everybody who wants to join in the ability to directly podcast with us using Podcast Composer which comes with Lion and which would talk to our server directly. It's apparently a one-step process and the podcasts would also appear automatically in the iTunes Store. So I am going to look into doing this, and I'll give your suggestion a try as well. Thanks. I'll look into buying a WebCam; do you have any recommendations or sources here in the UK? Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:25, Chris Moore wrote: Gordon, There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams that work with the Mac too. I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your podcast with your iSight camera with that? Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac
Re: Cleaning up a Messed-up Mac
If you still have the Office disk, then just reinstall it and the PowerPoint association will be reinstated. On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:33, Martin McCormick wrote: This question may actually belong in the techno-chat discussion since accessibility only comes in because I needed Voiceover to access the Mac and it was a perfect example of why Apple's design for accessibility is really useful. The Mac in question is an older G5 Imac so upgrading to Lion is out of the question. My teen-age nephew downloaded two games to it and my dad began launching Marble Blast Gold and possibly Yoda Star Wars every time he wanted to look at some Powerpoint aviation-related videos. He is, to put it mildly, not amused. I went to his house yesterday and he demonstrated the issue. I had turned VO on and heard Marble Blast Gold fire up when he clicked on one of the Powerpoint videos. Job #1. Find that marble maze game and vanquish it. That was easy. I just opened Macintosh-hd/applications, typed in Marble in the link chooser menu and it went right to it which turned out to be a folder. I had some trouble moving it to trash but that turned out to be because Mail, textedit and safari were all running, for some reason, in the background. After a restart call, I successfully trashed Marble Blast Gold and Yoda Star Wars. Now, here's the part I am not sure of. When Dad clicked on one of his videos to watch, we no longer had the marble game but the video failed to launch with a message that boils down to there was no application that could play .pps files. The complaint came from an application called iwork and my father said he had downloaded a trial copy but didn't want to buy it so, could I please remove that also? I did, but wonder if that was his engine for viewing the videos? So, what do I need to do to restore the ability to play the Microsoft Powerpoint videos? At one time, they did play correctly. Voiceover has sure come a long way since Tiger, but even so, things feel mostly familiar and it sure is nice to be able to just turn it on when needed. Dad plans to buy a new Mac as soon as a house he owns sells so the goal is not to spend any more dough on this one, but to restore it to proper operation so he can watch several .pps files. Thanks, and I can certainly take this to the techno-chat list if that would be better. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups Printer Sharing
That sounds a bit half baked, does that mean it will be easier to deal with when connecting remotely? It being a web interface and all. One wonders if they will be reinstated in OS X 10.8 Alley Kat. Hey guys guess what? we now have a GUI for that! I know very little about server administration. I really should do a course for dummies for it. Has Lion provided the ability to do accessible remote access from one Mac to another yet? Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 15:11, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi. Just for reference and for the interest of those curious about OSX Lion Server, Here's what Apple says about Cups and printer services for the 10.7 Lion Server: SNIP Print service is no longer supported in Server Admin. You must use System Preferences Print Scan to add printers or control print jobs. For more advanced print service settings you can use the web interface of CUPS at http://localhost:631/admin to manage printer sharing. You can find documentation for CUPS at http://localhost:631/help. For printers connected to the server through USB, the queues are created by CUPS when the printers are plugged in and turned on. However, for network printers, add the printers using System Preferences Print Scan (for all printer types) or the CUPS web interface. When you set up printer sharing in the Print Scan pane of System Preferences or in CUPS, you cannot configure specific protocols on which the printer is to be shared. The printer is shared over all protocols. In CUPS the description is equivalent to the printer sharing name and is set using the web interface at http://localhost:631/admin. See instructions below. CUPS classes is the equivalent to printer pools. For instructions on setting up classes, see CUPS help at http://localhost:631/help /SNIP So as you can see, Apple has now done away with its old printer service totally. That's going to create fun and games for me when I come to upgrade our work services. They rely very very heavily on printer services in the office and I'm quaking in my boots! Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
That is correct Esther. in the past Safari had a download manager which would open upon clicking a link that initiated a file download which was not a html/shtml or gif, jpeg or png file. A blind person was able to establish that a download had started as VO would announce that the Download manager window had opened (in most cases people kept it closed, so it being opened prompted VO to speak) The knew popup download manager is more integrated into Safari and does not open/popup when a download is initiated, which means a blind person has no clue that the download has started. It would be very useful if there was a sound or a vocal prompt to notify users that a download has commenced. It would also be very useful to also be notified when the download was complete too. iTunes informs you when a file has downloaded or a sync has been completed, so why can't Safari? While we are added, they should add file completion alerts to the Mac app store too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: Hello Dónal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight
Re: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups Printer Sharing
I meant by Apple removing the Print services in favour of CUPS seemed a bit half baked to what they had before. Real shame about the lack of accessible remote access too. On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:53, Gordon Smith wrote: Hello Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:40, Chris Moore wrote: That sounds a bit half baked, does that mean it will be easier to deal with when connecting remotely? It being a web interface and all. One wonders if they will be reinstated in OS X 10.8 Alley Kat. Hey guys guess what? we now have a GUI for that! What sounds half-baked? I know very little about server administration. I really should do a course for dummies for it. It's an interesting subject if you have the patience. Has Lion provided the ability to do accessible remote access from one Mac to another yet? Absolutely not. Not client to client anyway. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
Travis, 1. I agree Safari and VO have always worked fine when opening and switching between windows. I guess I use tabs as I used to be able to see, and I hated clutter and too many windows open. Tabs are so neat and clutter free in my mind's eye too. i am just knit picking I guess, but I think it is an oversight as the tabs themselves have the title of the web page written on them and when you switch to a new tab the title appears on the window title bar too. So for VO not to pick up on this is lazy programming in my opinion. I use Windows a lot, so guess I get used to some of the bells and whistles you become used to with JAWS. 2. I think Gordon's point was that it was quicker and more accessible being able to navigate a print services window instead of having to navigate around a web interface via Safari. 3. I also agree with you on the conversations / thread matter. Apple have tried to make their threads look more like conversations that appear in the iPhone and the forth coming iMessage facility, so I guess they are trying to bundle everything up. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 17:51, Travis Siegel wrote: Just a couple things here. 1. I don't use tabs, but switching between windows using command-tilde in safari has always read the title of the current page, all the way back to tiger. If tabs don't work this way, then it seems simple enough not to use them. I was under the impression that tabs did nothing for vo users, but of course, I'm always willing to be corrected on that point. 2. Cups is not unique to apple. As Zachery pointed out, it's been in unix oses for years and years, and (yes, even in osx) In fact, we use cups in tiger to talk to one of our printers which is network capable, and it's plugged into the tiger machine, because that's the one with the server software on it (well, it did, but not anymore, but it's still tiger) Linux, and even windows supports cups as well with the proper drivers, so this is just apple finally moving to match the rest of the computing community. Although, I really need to question their need to change mail's threading to conversations, when every other mail client on the planet calls them threads, calling them conversations is only going to confuse folks to no purpose, but that's neither here nor there. When I'm able, I fully intend to obtain lion server, but that won't be for a few months at least, gotta upgrade some machines first, and replace a broken interconnect board in one mac mini, then upgrade it's memory to meet lion requirements. I'm reading the lion server threads (yes, I said threads not conversations) with great pleasure, as it allows me to learn in advance what to watch out for, and what works out of the box so to speak. I'm sure I'll have a whole lot more to say once Ihave lion server setup, but until then, all I can do is sit here and wish. :) --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Lion Server Troubles
May I suggest Vinux for now then? it is fully accessible. On 31 Jul 2011, at 18:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello I'm going to try and answer your questions. On 31 Jul 2011, at 16:43, Zachary Kline wrote: • Since Lion server seems to be causing so much trouble for everyone, I have to ask, is there a particular reason you can't just stick with Snow Leopard and let Apple fix its accessibility problems in Lion as time permits? Yes. The reason is that the hardware won't allow us to run SL Server. We, at least, need to run Server as it's part of what we do. We bought a quad-core machine to replace an old machine that failed and, as we've said on list before, it won't allow you to boot into anything earlier than Lion. It is firmware-tied, so we understand, so we have little option. Now, I'm quite new to this list so may have missed some reason why this is impossible, but it would • seem to be the logical way to do things in light of these perceived difficulties. It does indeed; in an ideal world. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver
You can also go to http://bugreport.apple.com and report your issues there too. On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:01, Kevin Chao wrote: Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver users say things such as: I hope Apple will fix this, I wish Apple will fix that, and I know Apple will fix this. Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all focused on accessibility. Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: accessibil...@apple.com or, there's the option to use AppleCare. In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. Please let Apple accessibility know the following: Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): Summary: Steps to Reproduce Expected: Actual: Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as expected in OS X 10.6.8): Notes: Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Lion Mail
Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
ePub and writing
All, FOr those of you who are not on the Mac Visionaries list, Mark Taylor (the mod) has just posted to say that Scrivener has just been updated with improved accessibility. sounds like a marvelous app that I will definitely explore. I do enjoy browsing the Mac App Store. Mark also goes on to say To create eBooks, I use a program called Storyist. I believe the cost is about $30 and it is not yet available on the Mac App Store but the website is: www.storyist.com The programmer has added complete VoiceOver accessibility for us. Sorry to anyone if they have seen this post already on the other list, but I know a number on this list would be interested in the information. Chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: shame on you apple
Personally, I think they should have put a blu-ray player in it, especially now as the mini has HDMI. Would make the perfect little media server. But to remove the DVD and keep it the same size? crazy. Do Apple sell external DVD drives? or do you have to get a third party model? I fancy grabbing a new iMac next year, hope they do not remove the drive from there. On 31 Jul 2011, at 03:44, Mike Arrigo wrote: I can understand somewhat not including a DVD drive with themacbook air, many computers of that size do not include these. But I think removing the DVD drive from the mac mini is going too far. There will probably come a time when disks will no longer be used, but we are not there yet. I still use dvd drives quite a bit, even it's for playing audio disks. On Jul 30, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Jonathan Actually you're mistaken about the Command+R option, it works on every Lion installation on every machine I believe. Certainly it works on our 2009 MacBook Pro, my work machines and also their Mac Pros. But I believe that, although Apple is pushing the bounds, they're pushing things too far too fast. The reason is simple: As you quite rightly say, the availability of uncapped high-speed Internet connectivity is sparse in places and it turns the availability of Lion into a bit of what we'd call a Post Code (you'd call it a zip code) lottery. Gordon On 30 Jul 2011, at 20:56, Jon Cohn wrote: Gordon, What I have read is that this is true with all of the hardware that was shipped with Lion on it. Apparently the Lion on the new systems is slightly different from the Lion being shipped via the AppStore. One important new feature that is only available on the new Air's and Mini's is the option-command-R at boot. This will download a copy of Lion from the Apple even if the recovery partition has been corrupted or destroyed. The complaints I hear now remind me very much of when Apple decided to ship the first iMac computers with a CD and no floppy of any kind. People kept asking about how software installs would work... I don't believe that affordable high speed network access is sufficiently available at this time, but perhaps Apple is just a wee bit ahead of their time once again. There were options when the floppy was dropped as standard and there are options now for the optical storage. We won't really know if the dropping of Apple optical media was a mistake or just another branch in the evolution of the computer. One thing is definitely true, and that is it will save Apple on not only the initial hardware but on repairs to the fragile drives. I would expect that everybody in this group knows somebody who had a optical drive stop working. Jonathan On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic It's worth pointing out again that the DVD option doesn't work on the server hardware. Gordon On 30 Jul 2011, at 17:57, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Yeah, the button is definitely there. I've done it, too, but it's kind of a roundabout way of performing a clean install. The fastest way I've found so far was to burn it to a DVD, then use Disk utilities on that DVD to format the drive and install the operating system. Installing OS X Lion, then launching its recovery partition only to reformat, then download the image off of Apple's servers seems ridiculous, even though that seems to be the method Apple even recommends. I guess, in truth, it was meant as an upgrade from Snow Leopard to Lion given its distribution through the App Store, and I can see why. Since the Recovery Partition it carves out needs the Application later in order to get access to the disk image on your internal drive, it can't format the drive nor reinstall it from scratch without a DVD or downloading a new installer. Now, if it only downloaded an application which contained an application to extract the recovery image, it'd be another story as you c o u ld then download the entire operating system off of Apple's servers from the recovery partition. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL:
Re: Mac Mini; Apple Control Freak Gone Mad!
They would have to purchase the thumb drive version from Apple. On 29 Jul 2011, at 16:42, Daniel McGee wrote: Hi Nick, I was just wondering how would one perform this if they didn't have internet access. I know that sounds weird to say but who knows, there maybe some people out there who don't have internet or who are just not interested in it. In other words what can one do if they brought Lion and it crashed and the person had no internet to fix it. Sure they could take it to an apple store but I am wondering what can the individual do to fix it themselves without the presence of internet access. Thanks Daniel -- From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:03 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Mac Mini; Apple Control Freak Gone Mad! Hello Lynne, New versions of the Mac Mini as well as the MacBook Air running 10.7 by default come with what is called Internet Recovery. This means that, if you hold Command-R after the startup chime, then click Reinstall Mac OS X from the Utilities in the Recovery utility, the Mac should prompt you to log onto a Wi-Fi network or plug in an ethernet cable in order to download the proper application from Apple's servers, then the installation should proceed when the download is complete. This is how, in theory, it is supposed to work for both OS X Server and OS X. Regards, Nic On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello everybody OK, Gordon is working on the Mac Mini server and I thought I'd share some issues with you if you're thinking of going that route. Firstly, as you know, Lion server comes as is, with no DVD. This presents a problem for us; as we use case sensitive format and that's important to us. Problems; There is no way to re-format the HD because there is no external DVD to boot from. Apple has apparently made it so that you cannot downgrade the server to Snow Leopard. It refuses to boot from any SL DVD. A message comes up saying This OS is too old. You must run OS 10.7 Lion. Therefore, the only way we can think of is to use our own Lion DVD and hope that that works. But beware if you have the hardware and don't want the Server version of the OS. It's a real swine to downgrade as authorisation is required before you can even install. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
