Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Nicholas Parsons]

Well I'll copy it here for you:
Phil Halton 
 I find the easiest way to select a column or row is to move to the first cell 
you want to start the selection with, and then press shift command down arrow 
for columns, or right arrow for rows.
There are many other options available by entering the header with shift VO | 
(the key above the enter key). Once you press that key combo, you are in a list 
(vo doesn’t always announce this list). up and down arrow and press enter or VO 
space on either the column or row reference tab in that list, depending on 
whether you want to work with a column or a row. You then arrow right or left 
to move to the desired column, or up and down to move to the desired row tab.
Press Vo Space on the desired column or row reference tab to select it. I 
believe that selects the entire row/column. Also, with the desired tab 
selected, press shift VO +M to bring up the context menu for that row/column. 
in there you can do all sorts of things including sorting and filtering data.
Very important! Don’t forget to exit the header with shift VO |  again when 
you’re done, to return to regular spreadsheet operations. 
Also, I think that once you exit the header, your selection is no longer 
selected, so do your copy etc while in the header. (I could be wrong on that - 
I just tried it quickly before writing this post).

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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Sean Murphy]

I never got the message. That is the issue.
On 6 Dec 2014, at 4:26 pm, Nicholas Parsons  
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> Sean, Phil answered you pretty comprehensively. What part are you unclear 
> about?
> 
> Daniel, in what way aren’t you able to work with them? If you navigate with 
> just the arrow keys, VoiceOver will announce which cells are merged, but will 
> not announce their contents. If you navigate with the VO keys to the top left 
> most cell in the merged block, VoiceOver will read the contents. To work with 
> or edit these merged cells you can just use your normal editing commands. 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Nicholas Parsons]

Sean, Phil answered you pretty comprehensively. What part are you unclear about?

Daniel, in what way aren’t you able to work with them? If you navigate with 
just the arrow keys, VoiceOver will announce which cells are merged, but will 
not announce their contents. If you navigate with the VO keys to the top left 
most cell in the merged block, VoiceOver will read the contents. To work with 
or edit these merged cells you can just use your normal editing commands. 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Sean Murphy]

I ask the same question and didn’t see any reply from Phil. Hense, still do not 
know how to select columns and rows.

Sean 
On 5 Dec 2014, at 7:00 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Continuing with Numbers, Can somebody lead me in how to handle combined cells 
> inside a Numbers table? There is a combined cell which I can’t work with, 
> Thanks for your help!
> Best
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> El 5/12/2014, a las 5:14, Nicholas Parsons  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Phil covered selecting columns and rows comprehensively. As for VoiceOver 
>> still announcing hidden columns, this is only if you use the VO keys to 
>> navigate. If you just navigate using the arrow keys alone, as is generally 
>> the better option, then VoiceOver will only announce the visible rows and 
>> columns. This is the same when you filter your tables: navigating with VO 
>> keys will not appear any different, but if you navigate with the arrow keys 
>> alone you’ll only see the filtered rows and columns. Using VO keys to 
>> navigate can get you into mischief as the VoiceOver cursor selects invisible 
>> cells, but the keyboard cursor does not, and this can lead to undesired 
>> results.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Daniela Rubio]

Continuing with Numbers, Can somebody lead me in how to handle combined cells 
inside a Numbers table? There is a combined cell which I can’t work with, 
Thanks for your help!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
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> El 5/12/2014, a las 5:14, Nicholas Parsons  
> escribió:
> 
> Phil covered selecting columns and rows comprehensively. As for VoiceOver 
> still announcing hidden columns, this is only if you use the VO keys to 
> navigate. If you just navigate using the arrow keys alone, as is generally 
> the better option, then VoiceOver will only announce the visible rows and 
> columns. This is the same when you filter your tables: navigating with VO 
> keys will not appear any different, but if you navigate with the arrow keys 
> alone you’ll only see the filtered rows and columns. Using VO keys to 
> navigate can get you into mischief as the VoiceOver cursor selects invisible 
> cells, but the keyboard cursor does not, and this can lead to undesired 
> results.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Nicholas Parsons]

Phil covered selecting columns and rows comprehensively. As for VoiceOver still 
announcing hidden columns, this is only if you use the VO keys to navigate. If 
you just navigate using the arrow keys alone, as is generally the better 
option, then VoiceOver will only announce the visible rows and columns. This is 
the same when you filter your tables: navigating with VO keys will not appear 
any different, but if you navigate with the arrow keys alone you’ll only see 
the filtered rows and columns. Using VO keys to navigate can get you into 
mischief as the VoiceOver cursor selects invisible cells, but the keyboard 
cursor does not, and this can lead to undesired results.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Phil Halton]

I find the easiest way to select a column or row is to move to the first cell 
you want to start the selection with, and then press shift command down arrow 
for columns, or right arrow for rows.
There are many other options available by entering the header with shift VO | 
(the key above the enter key). Once you press that key combo, you are in a list 
(vo doesn’t always announce this list). up and down arrow and press enter or VO 
space on either the column or row reference tab in that list, depending on 
whether you want to work with a column or a row. You then arrow right or left 
to move to the desired column, or up and down to move to the desired row tab.
 Press Vo Space on the desired column or row reference tab to select it. I 
believe that selects the entire row/column. Also, with the desired tab 
selected, press shift VO +M to bring up the context menu for that row/column. 
in there you can do all sorts of things including sorting and filtering data.
Very important! Don’t forget to exit the header with shift VO |  again when 
you’re done, to return to regular spreadsheet operations. 
Also, I think that once you exit the header, your selection is no longer 
selected, so do your copy etc while in the header. (I could be wrong on that - 
I just tried it quickly before writing this post).
On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:01 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> First time trying to use numbers. How do you select a column or row in 
> Numbers. The help talks about clicking the table, then the letter or number. 
> Since I cannot find this, how do you do it? Also if you hide a column, VO 
> still announces it. Any ideas?
> 
> Any good VO tutorials on Numbers that are text base?
> 
> Sean 
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[Mac-access]: Selecting columns and rows in Numbers.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

First time trying to use numbers. How do you select a column or row in Numbers. 
The help talks about clicking the table, then the letter or number. Since I 
cannot find this, how do you do it? Also if you hide a column, VO still 
announces it. Any ideas?

Any good VO tutorials on Numbers that are text base?

Sean 

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Re: Numbers [not Pages] Query

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Sarah!  Oops,  my apologies.  I meant Numbers, not Pages.  What an idiot am 
I! ;-)
!
On 26 Aug 2014, at 18:16, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Actually numbers supports   them just fine.  both as an import and export. I 
know as I just imported and created a 63 kb csv file for a project I'm working 
on. 

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Re: Numbers

[Nicholas Parsons]

As well as or instead of formatting the cells as numerals or currency, you can 
also use the ROUND() function. Using the ROUND() function is often preferable 
as it ensures the actual value of the cell and its formatted value (i.e. what 
is displayed) are the same. You can learn all about the ROUND() function and 
all the other functions from the Formulas and Functions Help from the Help menu.

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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Andy Collins]

Hi Anne -

I’ve always respected your knowledge and experience, right from first coming to 
the mac and this list just over 12 months ago. Like I said, the only reason I 
haven’t done repairs etc was from fear of messing something up. Now a feel more 
confident with my mac, I am more brave about doing things.

I am as you commented, a lite user of the Mac, in so much as what I do is 
pretty basic and strait forward, even my spreadsheets are just basic house 
keeping these days.

However, I did upgrade to Mavericks a couple of weeks ago, so maybe now is a 
good time to look at repairing permissions -

Andy
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> Hello Andy,
> 
> You should repair permissions after installing new software and after updates.
> 
> People who only use their Macs for simple tasks can get away with not 
> repairing permissions, but as soon as you start using more complex programs 
> such as Numbers, you’re going to encounter anomalous behaviour just as you 
> have already done.
> 
> I’ve been a Mac user now for 18 years so I do have some idea what I’m talking 
> about.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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>> Hi Anne -
>> 
>> No, I haven’t ever repaired permissions. I know it has ben discussed, but 
>> while nothing appeared to be broken, I felt it best to leave alone. Maybe 
>> it’s time -
>> 
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

thanks Anne Will make a note of these instructions and do this then from time 
to time

> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:37, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eleanor,
> 
> To repair permissions:
> • Open your Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u);
> • Type dis to get quickly to Disk Utility and open it (Cmd-o);
> • Interact with the table and navigate down to your hard drive (probably the 
> second item in the list);
> • Stop interacting and navigate twice to the right to make sure that First 
> Aid is selected;
> • Navigate straight down as far as Repair disk permissions and press VO-Space:
> • You can follow progress by navigating up to the Results table and 
> interacting with it;
> • When the repair is complete, it will say “Permissions repair complete” at 
> the bottom of the Results table;
> • Quit Disk utility.
> 
> There will always be a few things to repair. I usually find about 7 lines in 
> the table, but I’ve seen computers with thousands of lines of repairs!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 19:21, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not Andy but what is Repan permissions and how is this done please
>> 
>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:09, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Andy,
>>> 
>>> You should repair permissions after installing new software and after 
>>> updates.
>>> 
>>> People who only use their Macs for simple tasks can get away with not 
>>> repairing permissions, but as soon as you start using more complex programs 
>>> such as Numbers, you’re going to encounter anomalous behaviour just as you 
>>> have already done.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been a Mac user now for 18 years so I do have some idea what I’m 
>>> talking about.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:50, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Anne -
>>>> 
>>>> No, I haven’t ever repaired permissions. I know it has ben discussed, but 
>>>> while nothing appeared to be broken, I felt it best to leave alone. Maybe 
>>>> it’s time -
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eleanor,

To repair permissions:
• Open your Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u);
• Type dis to get quickly to Disk Utility and open it (Cmd-o);
• Interact with the table and navigate down to your hard drive (probably the 
second item in the list);
• Stop interacting and navigate twice to the right to make sure that First Aid 
is selected;
• Navigate straight down as far as Repair disk permissions and press VO-Space:
• You can follow progress by navigating up to the Results table and interacting 
with it;
• When the repair is complete, it will say “Permissions repair complete” at the 
bottom of the Results table;
• Quit Disk utility.

There will always be a few things to repair. I usually find about 7 lines in 
the table, but I’ve seen computers with thousands of lines of repairs!

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Aug 2014, at 19:21, Eleanor Martha Burke  
wrote:

> Not Andy but what is Repan permissions and how is this done please
> 
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:09, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> You should repair permissions after installing new software and after 
>> updates.
>> 
>> People who only use their Macs for simple tasks can get away with not 
>> repairing permissions, but as soon as you start using more complex programs 
>> such as Numbers, you’re going to encounter anomalous behaviour just as you 
>> have already done.
>> 
>> I’ve been a Mac user now for 18 years so I do have some idea what I’m 
>> talking about.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:50, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anne -
>>> 
>>> No, I haven’t ever repaired permissions. I know it has ben discussed, but 
>>> while nothing appeared to be broken, I felt it best to leave alone. Maybe 
>>> it’s time -
>>> 
>>> Andy
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Not Andy but what is Repan permissions and how is this done please

> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:09, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andy,
> 
> You should repair permissions after installing new software and after updates.
> 
> People who only use their Macs for simple tasks can get away with not 
> repairing permissions, but as soon as you start using more complex programs 
> such as Numbers, you’re going to encounter anomalous behaviour just as you 
> have already done.
> 
> I’ve been a Mac user now for 18 years so I do have some idea what I’m talking 
> about.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:50, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne -
>> 
>> No, I haven’t ever repaired permissions. I know it has ben discussed, but 
>> while nothing appeared to be broken, I felt it best to leave alone. Maybe 
>> it’s time -
>> 
>> Andy
> 
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

You should repair permissions after installing new software and after updates.

People who only use their Macs for simple tasks can get away with not repairing 
permissions, but as soon as you start using more complex programs such as 
Numbers, you’re going to encounter anomalous behaviour just as you have already 
done.

I’ve been a Mac user now for 18 years so I do have some idea what I’m talking 
about.

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:50, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi Anne -
> 
> No, I haven’t ever repaired permissions. I know it has ben discussed, but 
> while nothing appeared to be broken, I felt it best to leave alone. Maybe 
> it’s time -
> 
> Andy

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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Andy Collins]

Hi Anne -

No, I haven’t ever repaired permissions. I know it has ben discussed, but while 
nothing appeared to be broken, I felt it best to leave alone. Maybe it’s time -

Andy
On 16 Aug 2014, at 17:20, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> I don’t get all the VO chatter you do because I have verbosity set to Low for 
> Numbers but I do have to interact with table one.
> 
> I tried with Quick Nav on and it still worked. Then I tried with the Trackpad 
> commander on and it still worked.
> 
> You didn’t say whether you’ve repaired permissions lately. If you have, then 
> maybe reinitialising the PRAM will help.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:01, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne -
>> 
>> When I first interact after opening Numbers, VO says:
>> Table 1 table.
>> 
>> I had to interact again, and then VO announces:
>> Table 1 table has been removed from selection.
>> 
>> At this point, I was able to access my spreadsheet, but CMD down arrow, 
>> which hasn’t been reassigned to do something different, just gave me the 
>> ding sound -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Andy,
>>> 
>>> I interact once with the table then I can press Cmd-Down Arrow and I’m at 
>>> the bottom of that column. Cmd-Right Arrow takes me to the end of the row. 
>>> I have my mouse set to ignore the other cursors but I don’t know whether 
>>> that makes a difference.
>>> 
>>> Another thought, have you set Cmd-Down Arrow to do something else in 
>>> Numbers? Someone I know set Cmd-c as a short cut for something other than 
>>> Copy and wondered why it wasn’t working to copy things.
>>> 
>>> However, I do find that Numbers easily gets temperamental and I have to 
>>> repair permissions to get it to behave itself again.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 15:24, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Anne -
>>>> 
>>>> When I do CMD down arrow, I just get that ding sound that indicates the 
>>>> key stroke doesn’t exist, same for VO shift down arrow, that’s why I asked 
>>>> on list. Maybe I’am not using Numbers correctly. Each time I open a 
>>>> spreadsheet, I land in the layout area. I have to hit VO shift down arrow 
>>>> twice to actually get in to the body of the spreadsheet. Once there, I 
>>>> can’t do CMD down arrow to get to the end of the spreadsheet  as mentioned 
>>>> above -
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
>>>> 
>>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as I know, you can’t change this behaviour. But what’s so 
>>>>> difficult about doing Cmd-down Arrow to get to the last row? 
>>>>> Alternatively, you can do VO-Shift-End to get to the last cell.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 11:14, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row 
>>>>>> of cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve 
>>>>>> interacted to get rid of the template screen, which I always get when 
>>>>>> Numbers opens. I’ve looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t 
>>>>>> see anything that would let me change where the cursor is when opening a 
>>>>>> spreadsheet -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andy
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>>>>>> tha

Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

I don’t get all the VO chatter you do because I have verbosity set to Low for 
Numbers but I do have to interact with table one.

I tried with Quick Nav on and it still worked. Then I tried with the Trackpad 
commander on and it still worked.

You didn’t say whether you’ve repaired permissions lately. If you have, then 
maybe reinitialising the PRAM will help.

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Aug 2014, at 18:01, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi Anne -
> 
> When I first interact after opening Numbers, VO says:
> Table 1 table.
> 
> I had to interact again, and then VO announces:
> Table 1 table has been removed from selection.
> 
> At this point, I was able to access my spreadsheet, but CMD down arrow, which 
> hasn’t been reassigned to do something different, just gave me the ding sound 
> -
> 
> Andy
> On 16 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> I interact once with the table then I can press Cmd-Down Arrow and I’m at 
>> the bottom of that column. Cmd-Right Arrow takes me to the end of the row. I 
>> have my mouse set to ignore the other cursors but I don’t know whether that 
>> makes a difference.
>> 
>> Another thought, have you set Cmd-Down Arrow to do something else in 
>> Numbers? Someone I know set Cmd-c as a short cut for something other than 
>> Copy and wondered why it wasn’t working to copy things.
>> 
>> However, I do find that Numbers easily gets temperamental and I have to 
>> repair permissions to get it to behave itself again.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 15:24, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne -
>>> 
>>> When I do CMD down arrow, I just get that ding sound that indicates the key 
>>> stroke doesn’t exist, same for VO shift down arrow, that’s why I asked on 
>>> list. Maybe I’am not using Numbers correctly. Each time I open a 
>>> spreadsheet, I land in the layout area. I have to hit VO shift down arrow 
>>> twice to actually get in to the body of the spreadsheet. Once there, I 
>>> can’t do CMD down arrow to get to the end of the spreadsheet  as mentioned 
>>> above -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I know, you can’t change this behaviour. But what’s so difficult 
>>>> about doing Cmd-down Arrow to get to the last row? Alternatively, you can 
>>>> do VO-Shift-End to get to the last cell.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 11:14, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row 
>>>>> of cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve 
>>>>> interacted to get rid of the template screen, which I always get when 
>>>>> Numbers opens. I’ve looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t 
>>>>> see anything that would let me change where the cursor is when opening a 
>>>>> spreadsheet -
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andy
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>>>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
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>>>>> worm-free.  However, this should in no way replace your own security 
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>>&

Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Andy Collins]

Hi Anne -

When I first interact after opening Numbers, VO says:
Table 1 table.

I had to interact again, and then VO announces:
Table 1 table has been removed from selection.

At this point, I was able to access my spreadsheet, but CMD down arrow, which 
hasn’t been reassigned to do something different, just gave me the ding sound -

Andy
On 16 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> I interact once with the table then I can press Cmd-Down Arrow and I’m at the 
> bottom of that column. Cmd-Right Arrow takes me to the end of the row. I have 
> my mouse set to ignore the other cursors but I don’t know whether that makes 
> a difference.
> 
> Another thought, have you set Cmd-Down Arrow to do something else in Numbers? 
> Someone I know set Cmd-c as a short cut for something other than Copy and 
> wondered why it wasn’t working to copy things.
> 
> However, I do find that Numbers easily gets temperamental and I have to 
> repair permissions to get it to behave itself again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Aug 2014, at 15:24, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne -
>> 
>> When I do CMD down arrow, I just get that ding sound that indicates the key 
>> stroke doesn’t exist, same for VO shift down arrow, that’s why I asked on 
>> list. Maybe I’am not using Numbers correctly. Each time I open a 
>> spreadsheet, I land in the layout area. I have to hit VO shift down arrow 
>> twice to actually get in to the body of the spreadsheet. Once there, I can’t 
>> do CMD down arrow to get to the end of the spreadsheet  as mentioned above -
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Andy,
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you can’t change this behaviour. But what’s so difficult 
>>> about doing Cmd-down Arrow to get to the last row? Alternatively, you can 
>>> do VO-Shift-End to get to the last cell.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 11:14, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all -
>>>> 
>>>> When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row of 
>>>> cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve interacted 
>>>> to get rid of the template screen, which I always get when Numbers opens. 
>>>> I’ve looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t see anything that 
>>>> would let me change where the cursor is when opening a spreadsheet -
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
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>>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

I interact once with the table then I can press Cmd-Down Arrow and I’m at the 
bottom of that column. Cmd-Right Arrow takes me to the end of the row. I have 
my mouse set to ignore the other cursors but I don’t know whether that makes a 
difference.

Another thought, have you set Cmd-Down Arrow to do something else in Numbers? 
Someone I know set Cmd-c as a short cut for something other than Copy and 
wondered why it wasn’t working to copy things.

However, I do find that Numbers easily gets temperamental and I have to repair 
permissions to get it to behave itself again.

Cheers,

Anne



On 16 Aug 2014, at 15:24, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi Anne -
> 
> When I do CMD down arrow, I just get that ding sound that indicates the key 
> stroke doesn’t exist, same for VO shift down arrow, that’s why I asked on 
> list. Maybe I’am not using Numbers correctly. Each time I open a spreadsheet, 
> I land in the layout area. I have to hit VO shift down arrow twice to 
> actually get in to the body of the spreadsheet. Once there, I can’t do CMD 
> down arrow to get to the end of the spreadsheet  as mentioned above -
> 
> Andy
> 
> On 16 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> As far as I know, you can’t change this behaviour. But what’s so difficult 
>> about doing Cmd-down Arrow to get to the last row? Alternatively, you can do 
>> VO-Shift-End to get to the last cell.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2014, at 11:14, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all -
>>> 
>>> When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row of 
>>> cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve interacted 
>>> to get rid of the template screen, which I always get when Numbers opens. 
>>> I’ve looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t see anything that 
>>> would let me change where the cursor is when opening a spreadsheet -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>> 
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>>> unpredictable happen.
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Andy Collins]

Hi Anne -

When I do CMD down arrow, I just get that ding sound that indicates the key 
stroke doesn’t exist, same for VO shift down arrow, that’s why I asked on list. 
Maybe I’am not using Numbers correctly. Each time I open a spreadsheet, I land 
in the layout area. I have to hit VO shift down arrow twice to actually get in 
to the body of the spreadsheet. Once there, I can’t do CMD down arrow to get to 
the end of the spreadsheet  as mentioned above -

Andy

On 16 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> As far as I know, you can’t change this behaviour. But what’s so difficult 
> about doing Cmd-down Arrow to get to the last row? Alternatively, you can do 
> VO-Shift-End to get to the last cell.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 16 Aug 2014, at 11:14, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all -
>> 
>> When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row of 
>> cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve interacted to 
>> get rid of the template screen, which I always get when Numbers opens. I’ve 
>> looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t see anything that would 
>> let me change where the cursor is when opening a spreadsheet -
>> 
>> Andy
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at 
>> the list's public Mail Archive:
>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>.
>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml>
>> 
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Re: How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

As far as I know, you can’t change this behaviour. But what’s so difficult 
about doing Cmd-down Arrow to get to the last row? Alternatively, you can do 
VO-Shift-End to get to the last cell.

Cheers,

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> When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row of 
> cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve interacted to 
> get rid of the template screen, which I always get when Numbers opens. I’ve 
> looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t see anything that would 
> let me change where the cursor is when opening a spreadsheet -
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How can I stop streadsheets opening in Numbers at the top cell all the time?

[Andy Collins]

Hi all -

When I open a spreadsheet in Numbers, I want ti to open at the last row of 
cells, but it always opens at the top [a1], this is after I’ve interacted to 
get rid of the template screen, which I always get when Numbers opens. I’ve 
looked in the preferences for Numbers, but couldn’t see anything that would let 
me change where the cursor is when opening a spreadsheet -

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Re: VO Announcing Page Numbers in Pages When Reading A Document

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Hello Eleanor,

If you navigate through a Pages document by sentence or paragraph, VO wil 
announce the page number as you go on to a new page.

If you use VO-a to read continuously, you’ll hear the page change sound but no 
page number will be announce. However, if you pause the reading, VO-F3 will 
tell you the page number.

Cheers,

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> Is there a setting where I can get VO to announce page numbers, for example 
> if it is a 30 page document, I would just like to know it was moving from 
> page one to two etc.
> - Original Message - From: "Matthew Carello" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Backing Up My Mac Book Air
> 
> 
>> Hello Eleanor. here is an article from apple on how to migrate using 
>> mavericks. It shows how to do it several ways I think I hope this helps.
>> 
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5872
>> On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:35 AM, eleanor martha burke 
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>> 
>>> I am still not clear from your wristbands if all my voice-over setting back 
>>> up also when you say about the disk being formatted do I have to format my 
>>> external hard drive on a Mac currently it has some Windows files on it such 
>>> as Word documents
>>> 
>>> Eleanor Martha Burke
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jul 2014, at 16:48, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello.  To back up your mac, go to sysrem prefs, then to time machine. Now 
>>>> choose your disk if it is formatted  properly, then  follow the prompts. I 
>>>> normally just have it back up everything then taylor it later to my needs.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck.
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
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>>>>> Hi All, would someone kindly go through the various steps for me to back 
>>>>> up my Mac.  Presumably in backing-up this will retain all my vo settings 
>>>>> also. Is this correct?  I have a 125GB external hard drive, would that be 
>>>>> sufficient or alternatively I could use a Terabite drive. At present I am 
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>>>>> data on the Mac.
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VO Announcing Page Numbers in Pages When Reading A Document

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Is there a setting where I can get VO to announce page numbers, for example 
if it is a 30 page document, I would just like to know it was moving from 
page one to two etc.
- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Carello" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Backing Up My Mac Book Air


Hello Eleanor. here is an article from apple on how to migrate using 
mavericks. It shows how to do it several ways I think I hope this helps.


http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5872
On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:35 AM, eleanor martha burke 
 wrote:


I am still not clear from your wristbands if all my voice-over setting 
back up also when you say about the disk being formatted do I have to 
format my external hard drive on a Mac currently it has some Windows 
files on it such as Word documents


Eleanor Martha Burke


On 3 Jul 2014, at 16:48, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Hello.  To back up your mac, go to sysrem prefs, then to time machine. 
Now choose your disk if it is formatted  properly, then  follow the 
prompts. I normally just have it back up everything then taylor it later 
to my needs.


Good luck.
On Jul 3, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:


Hi All, would someone kindly go through the various steps for me to 
back up my Mac.  Presumably in backing-up this will retain all my vo 
settings also. Is this correct?  I have a 125GB external hard drive, 
would that be sufficient or alternatively I could use a Terabite drive. 
At present I am more concerned with backing up my vo settings rather 
than having a lot of data on the Mac.



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Re: Numbers

[Phil Halton]

Actually, vo plus Jay will jump you to the formatter.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 19, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
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> Try the right side of the screen. If it is layed out the same wya as pages 
> you will sotp interacting and go to the right to the inspector and go from 
> there.
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Graham Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> ok, not sure where the formatter is, or the number pop up button.  I have no 
>> such options under format on the main menu.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>>> That’s done in the formatter. when you select “number” from the popup, then 
>>> you can also set the decimal places and other things.
>>> I usually do this by selecting an entire column that is going to be used to 
>>> hold numeric data, and then format the entire column at once in the 
>>> formatter.
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Graham Smith  wrote:
 
 How can I alter the number of decimal places showing in a cell please.
 
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Re: Numbers

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Try the right side of the screen. If it is layed out the same wya as pages you 
will sotp interacting and go to the right to the inspector and go from there.
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> ok, not sure where the formatter is, or the number pop up button.  I have no 
> such options under format on the main menu.
> 
> Graham
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> On Jun 19, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>> That’s done in the formatter. when you select “number” from the popup, then 
>> you can also set the decimal places and other things.
>> I usually do this by selecting an entire column that is going to be used to 
>> hold numeric data, and then format the entire column at once in the 
>> formatter.
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Graham Smith  wrote:
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>>> How can I alter the number of decimal places showing in a cell please.
>>> 
>>> Regards
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Re: Numbers

[Graham Smith]

ok, not sure where the formatter is, or the number pop up button.  I have no 
such options under format on the main menu.

Graham

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> That’s done in the formatter. when you select “number” from the popup, then 
> you can also set the decimal places and other things.
> I usually do this by selecting an entire column that is going to be used to 
> hold numeric data, and then format the entire column at once in the formatter.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Graham Smith  wrote:
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>> How can I alter the number of decimal places showing in a cell please.
>> 
>> Regards
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Re: Numbers

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That’s done in the formatter. when you select “number” from the popup, then you 
can also set the decimal places and other things.
I usually do this by selecting an entire column that is going to be used to 
hold numeric data, and then format the entire column at once in the formatter.

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> How can I alter the number of decimal places showing in a cell please.
> 
> Regards
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Numbers

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How can I alter the number of decimal places showing in a cell please.

Regards
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numbers: file won't go away.

[Donal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

Righty, here’s an odd one.  I was working on two numbers files a few weeks ago. 
 Ever since, when I open Numbers, those files keep opening.  Even though I 
close the windows each time, they won’t go away.  They are, if you will, the 
rhubarb of files.

So, does anyone know how to stop them opening each time I open numbers?

Thanking you,

Dónal
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Re: How to increase the the maximum size of a numbers table

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Hello, 
I think the problem arises because all the rows in my spreadsheet are 
considered header rows. Not sure how that happened but tinkering with the 
header submenu of the table menu fixes the problem. 

Paul Hopewell 
On 6 Jan 2014, at 21:10, isaac  wrote:

> What templet is it using for the spread sheet in numbers?
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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>> I am using the latest level of numbers under Mac OS 10.9.1 on a very simple 
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>> suggests that there is a rather small maximum table size. 
>> 
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>> maximum number of rows but if so that was a long time ago and the details 
>> are lost in the mists of time. 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: How to increase the the maximum size of a numbers table

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What templet is it using for the spread sheet in numbers?
On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

> Hello, 
> I am using the latest level of numbers under Mac OS 10.9.1 on a very simple 
> spreadsheet. The spreadsheet is 8 columns by 152 rows. I need to add some 
> more rows but the add row buttons in the table menu are dimmed. This suggests 
> that there is a rather small maximum table size. 
> 
> The table might have been created using a template which might specify a 
> maximum number of rows but if so that was a long time ago and the details are 
> lost in the mists of time. 
> 
> Any ideas on how to add extra rows to my table? 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell
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How to increase the the maximum size of a numbers table

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am using the latest level of numbers under Mac OS 10.9.1 on a very simple 
spreadsheet. The spreadsheet is 8 columns by 152 rows. I need to add some more 
rows but the add row buttons in the table menu are dimmed. This suggests that 
there is a rather small maximum table size. 

The table might have been created using a template which might specify a 
maximum number of rows but if so that was a long time ago and the details are 
lost in the mists of time. 

Any ideas on how to add extra rows to my table? 

Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell
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Re: numbers automatically open last file

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

This is a preference in System Preferences. Select General and look for Close 
windows when quitting an application and uncheck the check box.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Jan 2014, at 20:25, Mark Furness  wrote:

> Currently I am running numbers 3.0.1 under mavericks.
> before I updated Numbers, I had it set up to automatically open with the 
> file. last used.
> Now I can not find out how to do this. 
> Searching in help  and under menus did nothing.
> is this no longer possible with version 3.0.1?
> if it is possible then how?
> 
> Thank you for any help!
> 
> Mark
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numbers automatically open last file

[Mark Furness]

Currently I am running numbers 3.0.1 under mavericks.
before I updated Numbers, I had it set up to automatically open with the file. 
last used.
Now I can not find out how to do this. 
Searching in help  and under menus did nothing.
is this no longer possible with version 3.0.1?
if it is possible then how?

Thank you for any help!

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Re: 2 versions of numbers

[isaac]

Delete the numbers app from the doc.

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Furness

Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:25 AM
To: Mac access
Subject: 2 versions of numbers

In the applications folder there is a numbers app, which happens to be the 
updated version.


In the IWorks folder, in the application folder, there is also a numbers 
app.

This app is the one listed in the doc. It always tells me to update it.

Can I take the numbers app, that is all by itself and place it over the 
numbers app listed in the IWorks folder?

OR
should i delete the numbers app from the doc?

Mark




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2 versions of numbers

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In the applications folder there is a numbers app, which happens to be the 
updated version.

In the IWorks folder, in the application folder, there is also a numbers app.
This app is the one listed in the doc. It always tells me to update it.

Can I take the numbers app, that is all by itself and place it over the numbers 
app listed in the IWorks folder?
OR
should i delete the numbers app from the doc?

Mark




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Re: numbers documents

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Hi there,

I think the latest version is significantly better than the old one.  The UI (I 
presume you’re talking Mac?) is far simpler and cleaner.  In my view, the 
usability doesn’t quite match Jaws and Excel on Windows, but it’s certainly a 
damn sight better than the iWork 09 version.  Voiceover is much less sluggish,  
though there are still latency issues.  For example, if you hold the down-arrow 
key to fly through multiple rows, and then stop, VO is likely to repeat the 
cell contents on which you land ad nauseum.  

Things like sorting data is, in my view easier.  Put it this way, I’ve actually 
managed the grading of student assignments using numbers this year;  something 
I certainly wouldn’t have dreamed of until now.

Cheers,

Dónal
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> Thanks
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Re: numbers documents

[Sarah k Alawami]

I don’t use numbers all that much, but I heard there are some work arounds  you 
need to do. perhaps one of our better list members can sum arise the work 
arounds for you as  the app has its issues.

Take care. 
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numbers documents

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Hey guys, this might sound stupid, but I'm about to buy the numbers app, and I 
want to know how well it works with voiceover. Obviously, since it's an apple 
app it's accessible, but do y'all find it easy to work with?
Thanks
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Re: (solved) sorting tables in Numbers.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Oops my apologies folks, I should have acknowledged the source of the 
information in my previous mail.  it came from Josh De Lioncourt via Twitter.  
As I said, info not mine but I’ve verified it works.

Cheers,

Dónal
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> Evening folks,
> 
> I can’t take the credit for this one, but it works.  Sorting a table of data 
> in Numbers under Mavericks is actually dead easy.  It’s also blindingly 
> obvious when you read it.
> 
> Here’s the procedure:
> 
> 1. Firstly, press VO-Vertical bar. 
> 2.  Select the Column/row. 
> 3.  ON the header you want to sort by, VO-Shift-M for options. 
> 4. then hit VO-vertical bar to exit.
> 
> of course this Vo-Vertical Bar is used all over the place to sort any number 
> of tables so I should have thought of it.  
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Dónal
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(solved) sorting tables in Numbers.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Evening folks,

I can’t take the credit for this one, but it works.  Sorting a table of data in 
Numbers under Mavericks is actually dead easy.  It’s also blindingly obvious 
when you read it.

Here’s the procedure:

1. Firstly, press VO-Vertical bar. 
2.  Select the Column/row. 
3.  ON the header you want to sort by, VO-Shift-M for options. 
4. then hit VO-vertical bar to exit.

of course this Vo-Vertical Bar is used all over the place to sort any number of 
tables so I should have thought of it.  

All the best,

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Re: sorting data in Numbers

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Sorry, should have qualified that to point out I’m talking of the new Numbers 
under Mavericks.  Apologies for any confusion.

Dónal
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> Has anyone figured a way to do this using VO?  I’ve scoured the help but 
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> Cheers,
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sorting data in Numbers

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

Has anyone figured a way to do this using VO?  I’ve scoured the help but can’t 
find anything.

Cheers,

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Re: moving through numbers in Mavericks

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Mark,
Have you upgraded to the new version of Numbers?
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Mark Furness  wrote:

> I always enteracted with numbers, by doing v o down arrow twice. After that, 
> all I had to do was use the arrow keys or tab, to go from one cell the next.
> 
> I understood that it was necessary to vo down arrow twice to  move around the 
> spread sheet.
> Numbers is also moving very slowly in Mavericks, as compared to Mountain Lion.
> 
> I have both Os on my I Mac. For 
> 
> Marknumbers and mail ml is doing a better job. VO J works in ML mail.
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>> The default way to move around numbers now is to interac with the 
>> spreadsheet and use the VO keys, as you say. I wouldn’t call this a  
>> problem, just a different way of doing things. Interacting as a concept is 
>> pretty important to the Mac experience in general. If you like, I’d suggest 
>> you could use quick nav to avoid having to hold down the vo keys.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
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>>> I use to just hit tab or the left, down , up or right arrows.to move from 
>>> cell to cell.
>>> Now I have to include the v o key with the arrows.
>>> Am I the only one with this problem?
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Re: moving through numbers in Mavericks

[Mark Furness]

I always enteracted with numbers, by doing v o down arrow twice. After that, 
all I had to do was use the arrow keys or tab, to go from one cell the next.

I understood that it was necessary to vo down arrow twice to  move around the 
spread sheet.
Numbers is also moving very slowly in Mavericks, as compared to Mountain Lion.

I have both Os on my I Mac. For 

Marknumbers and mail ml is doing a better job. VO J works in ML mail.
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> Hi Mark,
> The default way to move around numbers now is to interac with the spreadsheet 
> and use the VO keys, as you say. I wouldn’t call this a  problem, just a 
> different way of doing things. Interacting as a concept is pretty important 
> to the Mac experience in general. If you like, I’d suggest you could use 
> quick nav to avoid having to hold down the vo keys.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Mark Furness  wrote:
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>> I use to just hit tab or the left, down , up or right arrows.to move from 
>> cell to cell.
>> Now I have to include the v o key with the arrows.
>> Am I the only one with this problem?
>> 
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Re: moving through numbers in Mavericks

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Hi Mark,
The default way to move around numbers now is to interac with the spreadsheet 
and use the VO keys, as you say. I wouldn’t call this a  problem, just a 
different way of doing things. Interacting as a concept is pretty important to 
the Mac experience in general. If you like, I’d suggest you could use quick nav 
to avoid having to hold down the vo keys.
Best,
Zack.
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I use to just hit tab or the left, down , up or right arrows.to move from cell 
to cell.
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Am I the only one with this problem?

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Re: Deleting Numbers

[Dane Trethowan]

ah thanks! last place I would have thought to look .

On 29 Oct 2013, at 7:39 pm, Parham Doustdar  wrote:

> Hi Dane,
> 
> The button is not visible when you haven't typed anything yet. After you type 
> at least one number, the delete button appears above the "3" button, in the 
> upper right corner of the keypad.
> 
> HTH.
> On 10/29/2013 10:09 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
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>> Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Here's the only thing which seems to still be a mystery to me with IOS 7.
>> 
>> 
>> If you're dialing a number using the keypad of your iPhone, how do you 
>> delete numbers before you dial?
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>> In earlier versions of the IOS I remember a "Delete" button near the right 
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Re: Deleting Numbers

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi Dane,

The button is not visible when you haven't typed anything yet. After you 
type at least one number, the delete button appears above the "3" 
button, in the upper right corner of the keypad.


HTH.
On 10/29/2013 10:09 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:


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Here's the only thing which seems to still be a mystery to me with IOS 7.


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Re: Deleting Numbers

[Sarah Alawami]

The del key is above the 3. I cans remember if you double tap or not. On Oct 
28, 2013, at 23:39, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
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> 
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> Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
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> 
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> numbers before you dial?
> 
> In earlier versions of the IOS I remember a "Delete" button near the right 
> bottom of the keypad, this doesn't seem to be available any longer?
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Deleting Numbers

[Dane Trethowan]

Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
Hi!

Here's the only thing which seems to still be a mystery to me with IOS 7.


If you're dialing a number using the keypad of your iPhone, how do you delete 
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Re: Numbers Question

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jane and James,

The setting is in VO Utility/Verbosity/Announcements and is Speak header when 
navigating across a table row.

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Re: Numbers Question

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Yes, i think so. if you put the title at the very top, what Numbers calls the 
"header row". This should let you hear which column you're in.

James 
On 26 Sep 2013, at 16:26, Jane  wrote:

> Hi there.
> 
> That's not quite what i am looking for. Those options are already set.
> 
> No, what I want to do is this.
> 
> Say I have a list of fruits in one column, Column a and a list or prices in 
> Column B a store to find the fruit at in column C.
> 
> Asj I go across the row, like a@ through whatever, I want it to read the top 
> row to remind me what I am loking at. Can I do this?
> 
> Jane
> On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:18 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
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>> 
>> I don't know about a script, but you can set this from within Numbers itself.
>> 
>> Under the "Table" menu you'll find a submenu under "Header Columns" and 
>> another under "Header Rows". Make sure that in both submenus you select 
>> zero. I'm not quite sure what these options do, but they allow VoiceOver to  
>> provide alpha-numeric identifiers for each cell. I would tink that you could 
>> set this in the "inspector", Command+Option+I. That way, you won't need to 
>> set the option each time you open numbers or create a new table.
>> 
>> Take care
>> James 
>> 
>> On 26 Sep 2013, at 01:04, Jane  wrote:
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>>> I have just bought myself Numbers for my Mac running Mountain Lion. Is 
>>> there a way I can make a script so that when I arrow through the sheet, I 
>>> will get the column headings as I go from B1 to B2 and so on?  If so, what 
>>> is it, or where an I find it?
>>> 
>>> Jane
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Re: Numbers Question

[Jane]

Hi there.

That's not quite what i am looking for. Those options are already set.

No, what I want to do is this.

Say I have a list of fruits in one column, Column a and a list or prices in 
Column B a store to find the fruit at in column C.

Asj I go across the row, like a@ through whatever, I want it to read the top 
row to remind me what I am loking at. Can I do this?

Jane
On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:18 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
> 
> I don't know about a script, but you can set this from within Numbers itself.
> 
> Under the "Table" menu you'll find a submenu under "Header Columns" and 
> another under "Header Rows". Make sure that in both submenus you select zero. 
> I'm not quite sure what these options do, but they allow VoiceOver to  
> provide alpha-numeric identifiers for each cell. I would tink that you could 
> set this in the "inspector", Command+Option+I. That way, you won't need to 
> set the option each time you open numbers or create a new table.
> 
> Take care
> James 
> 
> On 26 Sep 2013, at 01:04, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> I have just bought myself Numbers for my Mac running Mountain Lion. Is there 
>> a way I can make a script so that when I arrow through the sheet, I will get 
>> the column headings as I go from B1 to B2 and so on?  If so, what is it, or 
>> where an I find it?
>> 
>> Jane
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Re: Numbers Question

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi Jane,

I don't know about a script, but you can set this from within Numbers itself.

Under the "Table" menu you'll find a submenu under "Header Columns" and another 
under "Header Rows". Make sure that in both submenus you select zero. I'm not 
quite sure what these options do, but they allow VoiceOver to  provide 
alpha-numeric identifiers for each cell. I would tink that you could set this 
in the "inspector", Command+Option+I. That way, you won't need to set the 
option each time you open numbers or create a new table.

Take care
James 

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> where an I find it?
> 
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Numbers Question

[Jane]

I have just bought myself Numbers for my Mac running Mountain Lion. Is there a 
way I can make a script so that when I arrow through the sheet, I will get the 
column headings as I go from B1 to B2 and so on?  If so, what is it, or where 
an I find it?

Jane


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Re: Increasing decimal places in Numbers

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Once again, thank you Anne - This was just the thing; I haven't encountered the 
Inspector before, hadn't spotted him sat there on the View menu, and didn't 
know what he could do! -

Andy
On 23 Aug 2013, at 21:08, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> Numbers isn't really my area of expertise, but have you looked in the 
> Inspector? That's where I go first in any of the iWork applications.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 23 Aug 2013, at 18:08, Andy Collins  wrote:
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>> Hi all - I've been looking around in the menus, including formatting, but 
>> can't find how to stop Numbers rounding decimal places up to the next whole 
>> number. I saw something about decimal places, I think it was in the format 
>> menu, but it had a dimmed button, so I couldn't activate it. Anybody tell me 
>> how to resolve this Please? -
>> 
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Re: Increasing decimal places in Numbers

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Hello Andy,

Numbers isn't really my area of expertise, but have you looked in the 
Inspector? That's where I go first in any of the iWork applications.

Cheers,

Anne


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> number. I saw something about decimal places, I think it was in the format 
> menu, but it had a dimmed button, so I couldn't activate it. Anybody tell me 
> how to resolve this Please? -
> 
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Increasing decimal places in Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Hi all - I've been looking around in the menus, including formatting, but can't 
find how to stop Numbers rounding decimal places up to the next whole number. I 
saw something about decimal places, I think it was in the format menu, but it 
had a dimmed button, so I couldn't activate it. Anybody tell me how to resolve 
this Please? -

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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

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Glad it helped. The busy busy and voiceover completely stopping reading any 
cells caused me to stop using numbers in favor of a database program. Hopefully 
in the upcoming release of maverick accessibility will be greatly improved in 
numbers.
On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Thanks Brian - certainly Numbers is proving to be a challenge. Thankfully I 
> don't require it for really complicated calculations -
> 
> Andy
> On 10 Aug 2013, at 19:26, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Andy, I find Numbers very difficult to use with VO and have stopped 
>> using it but if I recall correctly go to where you want to enter a new line 
>> and I believe command right arrow will enter a new cell below your current 
>> position hope this helps
>> On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then 
>>> it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able 
>>> to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a 
>>> spreadsheet where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do 
>>> this in a different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the 
>>> original place, and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines 
>>> above the formula, that's why I need to know how to move it down or to 
>>> insert more lines -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> At lines  above your calculation.
>>>> 
>>>> Carol P
>>>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
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>>>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down 
>>>>> by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I 
>>>>> know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or 
>>>>> below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, 
>>>>> and move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for 
>>>>> additional calculations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks -
>>>>> 
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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Thanks Brian - certainly Numbers is proving to be a challenge. Thankfully I 
don't require it for really complicated calculations -

Andy
On 10 Aug 2013, at 19:26, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Andy, I find Numbers very difficult to use with VO and have stopped using 
> it but if I recall correctly go to where you want to enter a new line and I 
> believe command right arrow will enter a new cell below your current position 
> hope this helps
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then 
>> it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able 
>> to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a 
>> spreadsheet where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do 
>> this in a different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the 
>> original place, and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines 
>> above the formula, that's why I need to know how to move it down or to 
>> insert more lines -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> At lines  above your calculation.
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
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>>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all -
>>>> 
>>>> How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down 
>>>> by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I 
>>>> know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or 
>>>> below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and 
>>>> move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional 
>>>> calculations.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks -
>>>> 
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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Andy, I find Numbers very difficult to use with VO and have stopped using 
it but if I recall correctly go to where you want to enter a new line and I 
believe command right arrow will enter a new cell below your current position 
hope this helps
On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then 
> it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able 
> to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a spreadsheet 
> where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do this in a 
> different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the original place, 
> and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines above the formula, 
> that's why I need to know how to move it down or to insert more lines -
> 
> Andy
> On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson  
> wrote:
> 
>> At lines  above your calculation.
>> 
>> Carol P
>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
>> 
>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all -
>>> 
>>> How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down 
>>> by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I 
>>> know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or 
>>> below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and 
>>> move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional 
>>> calculations.
>>> 
>>> Thanks -
>>> 
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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Carol Pearson]

Sorry, brain already frazzled today!

Glad you found the answer though! Well done!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch

On 10 Aug 2013, at 07:28 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> Sorted this now. All I needed to do was hit the enter key as many times as I 
> wanted rows to be added. Sometimes you just have to try fiddling about and 
> the answer appears! -
> 
> Andy
> On 10 Aug 2013, at 19:03, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then 
>> it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able 
>> to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a 
>> spreadsheet where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do 
>> this in a different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the 
>> original place, and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines 
>> above the formula, that's why I need to know how to move it down or to 
>> insert more lines -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> At lines  above your calculation.
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
>>> 
>>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all -
 
 How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down 
 by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I 
 know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or 
 below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and 
 move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional 
 calculations.
 
 Thanks -
 
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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Hi all -

Sorted this now. All I needed to do was hit the enter key as many times as I 
wanted rows to be added. Sometimes you just have to try fiddling about and the 
answer appears! -

Andy
On 10 Aug 2013, at 19:03, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then 
> it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able 
> to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a spreadsheet 
> where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do this in a 
> different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the original place, 
> and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines above the formula, 
> that's why I need to know how to move it down or to insert more lines -
> 
> Andy
> On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson  
> wrote:
> 
>> At lines  above your calculation.
>> 
>> Carol P
>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
>> 
>> On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all -
>>> 
>>> How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down 
>>> by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I 
>>> know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or 
>>> below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and 
>>> move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional 
>>> calculations.
>>> 
>>> Thanks -
>>> 
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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then it 
appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able to 
select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a spreadsheet 
where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do this in a 
different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the original place, and 
not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines above the formula, that's 
why I need to know how to move it down or to insert more lines -

Andy
On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson  wrote:

> At lines  above your calculation.
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
> 
> On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all -
>> 
>> How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down by 
>> 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I know 
>> from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or below, but 
>> I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and move it 
>> lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional 
>> calculations.
>> 
>> Thanks -
>> 
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Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Carol Pearson]

At lines  above your calculation.

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch

On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down by 
> 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I know 
> from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or below, but 
> I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and move it lower 
> down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional calculations.
> 
> Thanks -
> 
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Adding extra rows in Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Hi all -

How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down by 30 
rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I know from 
within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or below, but I want 
to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and move it lower down the 
sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional calculations.

Thanks -

Andy
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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Hi Anne - Just been playing with it again, and got a bit further in that I 
found the results of my search, but couldn't quite manage to get myself on to 
that area of the spreadsheet. I had the text that I had searched for, in a 
table, and I hit VO CMD F5 to move the mouse to the selection, and then did a 
mouse click with VO shift space, and heard a click, but when I then stopped 
interacting, I couldn't get to the area on the spreadsheet itself, that 
contained what I was searching for. Will have to keep playing about with it and 
see… -

Andy 
On 4 Aug 2013, at 19:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> There are two scroll areas. Having stopped interacting with the one 
> containing the layout area, you have to navigate down to the other scroll 
> area which contains a table in which you find any results from your search.
> 
> I agree that it's convoluted, but it's all we have for now.
> 
> Let's hope that they bring out a new version of iWork before too long, and 
> that it's more accessible!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 Aug 2013, at 17:03, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne - I tried following your instructions, and got as far as interacting 
>> with scroll area, and table, but where you say "find desired result", 
>> stumped me, as I was at the top of the spreadsheet, and not on the result of 
>> the search. -This appears to be a very convoluted way to find a cell in a 
>> spreadsheet; hope I can figure it out 
>> 
>> Andy
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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

There are two scroll areas. Having stopped interacting with the one containing 
the layout area, you have to navigate down to the other scroll area which 
contains a table in which you find any results from your search.

I agree that it's convoluted, but it's all we have for now.

Let's hope that they bring out a new version of iWork before too long, and that 
it's more accessible!

Cheers,

Anne



On 4 Aug 2013, at 17:03, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi Anne - I tried following your instructions, and got as far as interacting 
> with scroll area, and table, but where you say "find desired result", stumped 
> me, as I was at the top of the spreadsheet, and not on the result of the 
> search. -This appears to be a very convoluted way to find a cell in a 
> spreadsheet; hope I can figure it out 
> 
> Andy

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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Hi Anne - I tried following your instructions, and got as far as interacting 
with scroll area, and table, but where you say "find desired result", stumped 
me, as I was at the top of the spreadsheet, and not on the result of the 
search. -This appears to be a very convoluted way to find a cell in a 
spreadsheet; hope I can figure it out 

Andy
On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:00, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> Here's how to do a find in Numbers:
> 
> Turn cursor tracking off;
> Press Command-f and enter search term;
> Stop interacting with everything;
> Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
> Interact with table:
> Find desired result;
> Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
> Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
> Navigate up to next scroll area;
> Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
> You will be on the selected cell;
> Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:25, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> hi all -
>> 
>> I have a moderate sized Windows spreadsheet, say a couple of hundred or so 
>> rows of 5 columns. When I open it in Numbers, I get told that there is a 
>> problem with the font the spreadsheet is in, and I change the font to 
>> aerial. I've also tried ignoring this message about the font, as I'm not 
>> worried how it looks, and will never want to print it. Either way, I am able 
>> to get to see the spreadsheet in it's layout. The problem comes when I want 
>> to search the spreadsheet for certain description information. If I use VO f 
>> to find some text, Numbers then seems to hang, and even locks up the Mac, by 
>> saying "busy" all the time. Also, if I do fn VO and right arrow to get to 
>> the end of the spreadsheet, again, I get "busy' and it just hangs there.
>> 
>> Anybody help me get beyond this?
>> 
>> Thanks -
>> 
>> Andy
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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Thanks Sarah, it's actually F3, thought you must have meant that when num row 3 
didn't do it -

Andy
On 3 Aug 2013, at 23:04, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> vo shoft numrow 3 will toggle vo curser trackign off and on.
> 
> Good luck.
> On Aug 3, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Anne - Very good of you to provide so much help. Think I must be getting 
>> tired now, as I can't seem to recall -- if I ever knew  -- how to turn off 
>> cursor tracking. I've looked under the various help menus, but can't find 
>> it. Perhaps it's time to call it a day > 
>> Andy
>> On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:00, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Andy,
>>> 
>>> Here's how to do a find in Numbers:
>>> 
>>> Turn cursor tracking off;
>>> Press Command-f and enter search term;
>>> Stop interacting with everything;
>>> Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
>>> Interact with table:
>>> Find desired result;
>>> Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
>>> Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
>>> Navigate up to next scroll area;
>>> Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
>>> You will be on the selected cell;
>>> Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:25, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi all -
>>>> 
>>>> I have a moderate sized Windows spreadsheet, say a couple of hundred or so 
>>>> rows of 5 columns. When I open it in Numbers, I get told that there is a 
>>>> problem with the font the spreadsheet is in, and I change the font to 
>>>> aerial. I've also tried ignoring this message about the font, as I'm not 
>>>> worried how it looks, and will never want to print it. Either way, I am 
>>>> able to get to see the spreadsheet in it's layout. The problem comes when 
>>>> I want to search the spreadsheet for certain description information. If I 
>>>> use VO f to find some text, Numbers then seems to hang, and even locks up 
>>>> the Mac, by saying "busy" all the time. Also, if I do fn VO and right 
>>>> arrow to get to the end of the spreadsheet, again, I get "busy' and it 
>>>> just hangs there.
>>>> 
>>>> Anybody help me get beyond this?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks -
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Sarah k Alawami]

vo shoft numrow 3 will toggle vo curser trackign off and on.

Good luck.
On Aug 3, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Anne - Very good of you to provide so much help. Think I must be getting 
> tired now, as I can't seem to recall -- if I ever knew  -- how to turn off 
> cursor tracking. I've looked under the various help menus, but can't find it. 
> Perhaps it's time to call it a day  
> Andy
> On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:00, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> Here's how to do a find in Numbers:
>> 
>> Turn cursor tracking off;
>> Press Command-f and enter search term;
>> Stop interacting with everything;
>> Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
>> Interact with table:
>> Find desired result;
>> Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
>> Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
>> Navigate up to next scroll area;
>> Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
>> You will be on the selected cell;
>> Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:25, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all -
>>> 
>>> I have a moderate sized Windows spreadsheet, say a couple of hundred or so 
>>> rows of 5 columns. When I open it in Numbers, I get told that there is a 
>>> problem with the font the spreadsheet is in, and I change the font to 
>>> aerial. I've also tried ignoring this message about the font, as I'm not 
>>> worried how it looks, and will never want to print it. Either way, I am 
>>> able to get to see the spreadsheet in it's layout. The problem comes when I 
>>> want to search the spreadsheet for certain description information. If I 
>>> use VO f to find some text, Numbers then seems to hang, and even locks up 
>>> the Mac, by saying "busy" all the time. Also, if I do fn VO and right arrow 
>>> to get to the end of the spreadsheet, again, I get "busy' and it just hangs 
>>> there.
>>> 
>>> Anybody help me get beyond this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks -
>>> 
>>> Andy
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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Anne - Very good of you to provide so much help. Think I must be getting tired 
now, as I can't seem to recall -- if I ever knew  -- how to turn off cursor 
tracking. I've looked under the various help menus, but can't find it. Perhaps 
it's time to call it a day  wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> 
> Here's how to do a find in Numbers:
> 
> Turn cursor tracking off;
> Press Command-f and enter search term;
> Stop interacting with everything;
> Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
> Interact with table:
> Find desired result;
> Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
> Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
> Navigate up to next scroll area;
> Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
> You will be on the selected cell;
> Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:25, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> hi all -
>> 
>> I have a moderate sized Windows spreadsheet, say a couple of hundred or so 
>> rows of 5 columns. When I open it in Numbers, I get told that there is a 
>> problem with the font the spreadsheet is in, and I change the font to 
>> aerial. I've also tried ignoring this message about the font, as I'm not 
>> worried how it looks, and will never want to print it. Either way, I am able 
>> to get to see the spreadsheet in it's layout. The problem comes when I want 
>> to search the spreadsheet for certain description information. If I use VO f 
>> to find some text, Numbers then seems to hang, and even locks up the Mac, by 
>> saying "busy" all the time. Also, if I do fn VO and right arrow to get to 
>> the end of the spreadsheet, again, I get "busy' and it just hangs there.
>> 
>> Anybody help me get beyond this?
>> 
>> Thanks -
>> 
>> Andy
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Re: Help please with Numbers

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

Here's how to do a find in Numbers:

Turn cursor tracking off;
Press Command-f and enter search term;
Stop interacting with everything;
Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
Interact with table:
Find desired result;
Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
Navigate up to next scroll area;
Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
You will be on the selected cell;
Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.

Cheers,

Anne


On 3 Aug 2013, at 22:25, Andy Collins  wrote:

> hi all -
> 
> I have a moderate sized Windows spreadsheet, say a couple of hundred or so 
> rows of 5 columns. When I open it in Numbers, I get told that there is a 
> problem with the font the spreadsheet is in, and I change the font to aerial. 
> I've also tried ignoring this message about the font, as I'm not worried how 
> it looks, and will never want to print it. Either way, I am able to get to 
> see the spreadsheet in it's layout. The problem comes when I want to search 
> the spreadsheet for certain description information. If I use VO f to find 
> some text, Numbers then seems to hang, and even locks up the Mac, by saying 
> "busy" all the time. Also, if I do fn VO and right arrow to get to the end of 
> the spreadsheet, again, I get "busy' and it just hangs there.
> 
> Anybody help me get beyond this?
> 
> Thanks -
> 
> Andy
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Help please with Numbers

[Andy Collins]

hi all -

I have a moderate sized Windows spreadsheet, say a couple of hundred or so rows 
of 5 columns. When I open it in Numbers, I get told that there is a problem 
with the font the spreadsheet is in, and I change the font to aerial. I've also 
tried ignoring this message about the font, as I'm not worried how it looks, 
and will never want to print it. Either way, I am able to get to see the 
spreadsheet in it's layout. The problem comes when I want to search the 
spreadsheet for certain description information. If I use VO f to find some 
text, Numbers then seems to hang, and even locks up the Mac, by saying "busy" 
all the time. Also, if I do fn VO and right arrow to get to the end of the 
spreadsheet, again, I get "busy' and it just hangs there.

Anybody help me get beyond this?

Thanks -

Andy
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Re: Numbers and Excel spreadsheets

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy and James,

To make a Numbers document readable in Excel, you need to use the Export 
command from the File menu. In the submenu, you'll find several options 
including Excel.

Cheers,

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Re: Numbers and Excel spreadsheets

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Hi Andy
On 28 Jul 2013, at 15:32, Andy Collins  wrote:
> I then tried sending it as an attachment to somebody using Excel on  a 
> Windows machine, but they were unable to open it. Anybody tell me how to make 
> this possible? I can't imagine that it is only possible to have Excel open in 
> Numbers, but not the other way about -
> 
If i remember correctly, the default filetype for a Numbers spreadsheet (even 
one that began life as a .xls file) is specific to Numbers. You'll need to 
choose the "Excel" option from the "Format" pop-up menu. Also, make sure you 
have the checkbox "Send Windows-friendly attachments" checked.

Hope this helps
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Numbers and Excel spreadsheets

[Andy Collins]

Hi all -

I opened an Excel spreadsheet in Numbers, and apart from getting a message 
telling me that the Excel font wasn't recognised, and choosing Aerial as a 
replacement, the spreadsheet opened ok in Numbers, and looked as I expected it 
too.

I then tried sending it as an attachment to somebody using Excel on  a Windows 
machine, but they were unable to open it. Anybody tell me how to make this 
possible? I can't imagine that it is only possible to have Excel open in 
Numbers, but not the other way about -

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Re: General Help With Numbers

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Carol,

I'm guessing you needed to interact with the table. Numbers has layers. It 
maybe that the file opened at the lowest level. On top of the outline and 
toolbars is the layer with your table. If you stepped up to that level. You 
would have been navigating around the cells of the table.

I'm sorry, there's no shortcut to learning a new screen reader. Each screen 
reader can only guess what defaults suit most people. As our screen readers are 
the most important method of access we all want to dive in with the apps. But 
we gain far more by exploring our screen reader. Because when we open a new 
app. We are armed with different screen reader moves to gain an understanding 
of the controls and layout of the app. This concept of interacting with areas. 
Or as I see it. Stepping up to the next level. Is quite Aileen to Windows users 
in the beginning. But soon you will accommodate these differences. Or at least, 
I'm getting there myself.

Good luck.

Gena

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On 26 Jul 2013, at 18:13, Carol Pearson  wrote:

> Thanks, Gina.
> 
> My main reason for wanting to use numbers is to deal with one spreadsheet 
> which I have to issue each week. This requires that I change a few columns 
> and occasionally have to  change the header at the top of the sheet. Apart 
> from this, I don't any longer need to use spreadsheets in my life!
> 
> I therefore took an XL spreadsheet and loaded it directly into numbers hoping 
> that I can read it and make a few alterations. Well, with my little knowledge 
> of the Mac so far, I was not really able to get to read it at all. I found 
> all the settings, and went in and out and round and round about them, but I 
> didn't do much else! Once I can read the spreadsheet itself, presumably then 
> I may stand more chance of getting to edit it.
> 
> I guess I'll have to start at the beginning, but I don't want a long learning 
> curve just for this, so I'm hoping that I can bypass a good deal of what one 
> would have to learn if I needed to create spreadsheets from scratch.
> 
> Perhaps this gives you a better idea where I'm coming from. I basically 
> needed to move some of the computer equipment in my home and in order to do 
> this, I do need another way to produce my spreadsheets!
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
> 
> On 26 Jul 2013, at 06:01 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Carol & Andy,
>> 
>> Numbers is a very powerful application. It depends upon what you wish to do 
>> with it. I guess it would be useful if you stated what you would like to 
>> achieve with it. I've just been using my 1 to 1 sessions on numbers. Did 
>> either of you buy 1 to 1 training with your new Mac's?
>> 
>> If you open a new document. Numbers puts focus into the 1 table provided. 
>> You can use the arrow keys to navigate and VO announces column and row 
>> coordinates. In this respect I personally find it too verbose but knowing 
>> the VO utility. Such verbosity can be controlled. Like pages, it has a very 
>> powerful pallet of controls called an inspector. Achieved by option plus 
>> command plus (i). This is a toggle i.e. hiding it and giving it focus. It 
>> reminds me of iTunes. When you bring the inspector to the front. You have a 
>> series of radio buttons. So if you wish to manipulate the rows or columns 
>> simply select the table radio button. Then VO right arrow and explore the 
>> controls. When you have made your changes just press option + cmd + i and 
>> you are returned to your document.
>> 
>> As I have an understanding of XL, other than the inspector. I don't feel 
>> numbers is too different. A spread sheet is a spread sheet.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Please Note:
>> Please use email address below for all future correspondence:
>> 
>> g...@gena-j.me.uk
>> 
>> Georgina Joyce
>> Applied Psychologist
>> Training and Coaching.
>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 Jul 2013, at 15:41, Carol  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I need to move on to do some tasks in life with the Mac, besides email, and 
>>> have a MS Windows spread sheet which I need to work on regularly.  I have 
>>> Numbers but don't really know where to start to accomplish the reading of 
>>> that spread sheet and making some changes to entries.
>>> 
>>> It's not a large, complicated spread sheet so I am hopeful N

Re: General Help With Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Thanks Gena - Hopefully things will make a bit more sense when I get the app. 
Once I've sorted out a pop3 versus imap issue I'll visit the Mac store -

Andy
On 26 Jul 2013, at 18:01, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Carol & Andy,
> 
> Numbers is a very powerful application. It depends upon what you wish to do 
> with it. I guess it would be useful if you stated what you would like to 
> achieve with it. I've just been using my 1 to 1 sessions on numbers. Did 
> either of you buy 1 to 1 training with your new Mac's?
> 
> If you open a new document. Numbers puts focus into the 1 table provided. You 
> can use the arrow keys to navigate and VO announces column and row 
> coordinates. In this respect I personally find it too verbose but knowing the 
> VO utility. Such verbosity can be controlled. Like pages, it has a very 
> powerful pallet of controls called an inspector. Achieved by option plus 
> command plus (i). This is a toggle i.e. hiding it and giving it focus. It 
> reminds me of iTunes. When you bring the inspector to the front. You have a 
> series of radio buttons. So if you wish to manipulate the rows or columns 
> simply select the table radio button. Then VO right arrow and explore the 
> controls. When you have made your changes just press option + cmd + i and you 
> are returned to your document.
> 
> As I have an understanding of XL, other than the inspector. I don't feel 
> numbers is too different. A spread sheet is a spread sheet.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> 
> Please Note:
> Please use email address below for all future correspondence:
> 
> g...@gena-j.me.uk
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> On 26 Jul 2013, at 15:41, Carol  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I need to move on to do some tasks in life with the Mac, besides email, and 
>> have a MS Windows spread sheet which I need to work on regularly.  I have 
>> Numbers but don't really know where to start to accomplish the reading of 
>> that spread sheet and making some changes to entries.
>> 
>> It's not a large, complicated spread sheet so I am hopeful Numbers will 
>> handle it.  If anyone can give me a bit of a start with this then that would 
>> be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Carol P
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Re: General Help With Numbers

[Carol Pearson]

Thanks, Gina.

My main reason for wanting to use numbers is to deal with one spreadsheet which 
I have to issue each week. This requires that I change a few columns and 
occasionally have to  change the header at the top of the sheet. Apart from 
this, I don't any longer need to use spreadsheets in my life!

I therefore took an XL spreadsheet and loaded it directly into numbers hoping 
that I can read it and make a few alterations. Well, with my little knowledge 
of the Mac so far, I was not really able to get to read it at all. I found all 
the settings, and went in and out and round and round about them, but I didn't 
do much else! Once I can read the spreadsheet itself, presumably then I may 
stand more chance of getting to edit it.

I guess I'll have to start at the beginning, but I don't want a long learning 
curve just for this, so I'm hoping that I can bypass a good deal of what one 
would have to learn if I needed to create spreadsheets from scratch.

Perhaps this gives you a better idea where I'm coming from. I basically needed 
to move some of the computer equipment in my home and in order to do this, I do 
need another way to produce my spreadsheets!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch

On 26 Jul 2013, at 06:01 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Carol & Andy,
> 
> Numbers is a very powerful application. It depends upon what you wish to do 
> with it. I guess it would be useful if you stated what you would like to 
> achieve with it. I've just been using my 1 to 1 sessions on numbers. Did 
> either of you buy 1 to 1 training with your new Mac's?
> 
> If you open a new document. Numbers puts focus into the 1 table provided. You 
> can use the arrow keys to navigate and VO announces column and row 
> coordinates. In this respect I personally find it too verbose but knowing the 
> VO utility. Such verbosity can be controlled. Like pages, it has a very 
> powerful pallet of controls called an inspector. Achieved by option plus 
> command plus (i). This is a toggle i.e. hiding it and giving it focus. It 
> reminds me of iTunes. When you bring the inspector to the front. You have a 
> series of radio buttons. So if you wish to manipulate the rows or columns 
> simply select the table radio button. Then VO right arrow and explore the 
> controls. When you have made your changes just press option + cmd + i and you 
> are returned to your document.
> 
> As I have an understanding of XL, other than the inspector. I don't feel 
> numbers is too different. A spread sheet is a spread sheet.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> 
> Please Note:
> Please use email address below for all future correspondence:
> 
> g...@gena-j.me.uk
> 
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> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> On 26 Jul 2013, at 15:41, Carol  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I need to move on to do some tasks in life with the Mac, besides email, and 
>> have a MS Windows spread sheet which I need to work on regularly.  I have 
>> Numbers but don't really know where to start to accomplish the reading of 
>> that spread sheet and making some changes to entries.
>> 
>> It's not a large, complicated spread sheet so I am hopeful Numbers will 
>> handle it.  If anyone can give me a bit of a start with this then that would 
>> be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Carol P
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Re: General Help With Numbers

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Carol & Andy,

Numbers is a very powerful application. It depends upon what you wish to do 
with it. I guess it would be useful if you stated what you would like to 
achieve with it. I've just been using my 1 to 1 sessions on numbers. Did either 
of you buy 1 to 1 training with your new Mac's?

If you open a new document. Numbers puts focus into the 1 table provided. You 
can use the arrow keys to navigate and VO announces column and row coordinates. 
In this respect I personally find it too verbose but knowing the VO utility. 
Such verbosity can be controlled. Like pages, it has a very powerful pallet of 
controls called an inspector. Achieved by option plus command plus (i). This is 
a toggle i.e. hiding it and giving it focus. It reminds me of iTunes. When you 
bring the inspector to the front. You have a series of radio buttons. So if you 
wish to manipulate the rows or columns simply select the table radio button. 
Then VO right arrow and explore the controls. When you have made your changes 
just press option + cmd + i and you are returned to your document.

As I have an understanding of XL, other than the inspector. I don't feel 
numbers is too different. A spread sheet is a spread sheet.

HTH

Gena

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g...@gena-j.me.uk

Georgina Joyce
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On 26 Jul 2013, at 15:41, Carol  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I need to move on to do some tasks in life with the Mac, besides email, and 
> have a MS Windows spread sheet which I need to work on regularly.  I have 
> Numbers but don't really know where to start to accomplish the reading of 
> that spread sheet and making some changes to entries.
> 
> It's not a large, complicated spread sheet so I am hopeful Numbers will 
> handle it.  If anyone can give me a bit of a start with this then that would 
> be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Carol P
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Re: General Help With Numbers

[Andy Collins]

Me too Carol - I need to grab the Numbers app as I have some basic sums to do. 
There was a thread on here about VO and Numbers, but that I hope was ore about 
doing difficult calculations, as it wasn't too complimentary in some respects 
about VO's ability in Numbers. So I will benefit too, if anybody offers you 
some guidance in getting around the app -

Andy
On 26 Jul 2013, at 15:41, Carol  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I need to move on to do some tasks in life with the Mac, besides email, and 
> have a MS Windows spread sheet which I need to work on regularly.  I have 
> Numbers but don't really know where to start to accomplish the reading of 
> that spread sheet and making some changes to entries.
> 
> It's not a large, complicated spread sheet so I am hopeful Numbers will 
> handle it.  If anyone can give me a bit of a start with this then that would 
> be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Carol P
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General Help With Numbers

[Carol]

Hi all,

I need to move on to do some tasks in life with the Mac, besides email, and 
have a MS Windows spread sheet which I need to work on regularly.  I have 
Numbers but don't really know where to start to accomplish the reading of that 
spread sheet and making some changes to entries.

It's not a large, complicated spread sheet so I am hopeful Numbers will handle 
it.  If anyone can give me a bit of a start with this then that would be 
appreciated.

Thanks.

Carol P
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Re: Numbers On IOS Devices

[Dane Trethowan]

What an absolute nusance that is.

I already own Pages and just bought numbers, the Apps are cheap enough so 
perhaps the issue you described will be resolved in the future.

At least I can do copying and pasting with Notesy so its not as though I don't 
have text editing options at my disposal though I'm having to use Spreadsheets 
a lot now with my work so having an accessible mobile Spreadsheet App of some 
sort is going to be worth its weight in gold, I'm also looking around in the 
area of Android Apps to see if anything is available there.

Thanks For Your Help.


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On 04/07/2013, at 3:40 AM, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Dane,
> 
> Last month I took another look at Numbers and Pages on both my iPhone 4S and 
> iPad Mini running the latest IOS and, unfortunately, both apps are still 
> plagued by an issue where the "copy / paste" popup menu is constantly active 
> while I am trying to work in a Numbers spreadsheet or a Pages table. This 
> only seems to occur while VO is turned on, and so far I've heard of no way to 
> get around the issue. It's a shame, really,  because these two apps seem 
> otherwise quite VO accessible but this popup bug makes it virtually 
> impossible to maintain one's sanity while trying to navigate and edit..
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
> On Jul 3, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> Does anyone use this on an IOS device? I would imagine - given the size of 
>> an iPad and the way a spreadsheet App functions - that Numbers - if its 
>> useable - would be easier to use on an iPad right?
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Re: Numbers On IOS Devices

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Dane,

Last month I took another look at Numbers and Pages on both my iPhone 4S and 
iPad Mini running the latest IOS and, unfortunately, both apps are still 
plagued by an issue where the "copy / paste" popup menu is constantly active 
while I am trying to work in a Numbers spreadsheet or a Pages table. This only 
seems to occur while VO is turned on, and so far I've heard of no way to get 
around the issue. It's a shame, really,  because these two apps seem otherwise 
quite VO accessible but this popup bug makes it virtually impossible to 
maintain one's sanity while trying to navigate and edit..

HTH,
Bryan

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> Does anyone use this on an IOS device? I would imagine - given the size of an 
> iPad and the way a spreadsheet App functions - that Numbers - if its useable 
> - would be easier to use on an iPad right?

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Numbers On IOS Devices

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Hi!

Does anyone use this on an IOS device? I would imagine - given the size of an 
iPad and the way a spreadsheet App functions - that Numbers - if its useable - 
would be easier to use on an iPad right?


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Re: Numbers.

[Sarah k Alawami]

I was able to use numbers to keep records of artists and albums for licensing 
logs every month. Works very very well. You can even export to excel as well. 
There are still things I can't figure out like formulas but oh well. I'll 
figure out when I need it. lol!

Take care.
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

> Good morning list, 
> 
> Just wondering about the accessibility of the numbers app on the Mac and iOS? 
> 
> Thanks in anticipation. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Numbers.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Good morning list, 

Just wondering about the accessibility of the numbers app on the Mac and iOS? 

Thanks in anticipation. 

Kind regards, 

Mr Sadam Ahmed 

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numbers question

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hello,
can anyone tell me how to move from one sheet to the next in a twelve sheet 
document?
thank you.

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Re: Searching in Numbers

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

I'd completely echo David's sentiments this is a superb tip.  I'd also buy that 
book if you ever write it Anne.

Dónal
On 9 Feb 2013, at 19:20, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> Absolutely brilliant.
> 
> I think you should consider writing a I Works Guide for visually Impaired
> people  .
> 
> Something modelled on the "getting started with the Iphone  for blind Users
> " Daisy Book only targeted at Office Productivity generally and using I
> Works on the Mac specifically.
> 
> You could probably assemble a lot of it from the posts you have made on this
> list but it would be very useful to have it all set out in tutorial form and
> properly structured with chapters on Pages Numbers and Keynote with possible
> supplementary on these app on I devices.
> You could also have Section on Text Edit, mail contacts Calendar and how
> they interact with the I Work suite. This  would fulfil a  great need.  For
> example I picked up from you that text Edit is a better tool for continuous
> reading of word docs than Pages.
> 
> There is also a need for a guide to using office productivity on the Mac
> which integrates OS  and voiceover key shortcuts.
> There are loads of introductions to voiceover but very little which takes
> you to the next stage.
> It is a yawning gap in the market.
> I, for one, would buy it.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: 09 February 2013 18:43
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Searching in Numbers
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I just discovered this trick for searching for specific content in Numbers.
> 
> . Set a hotspot on the table without interacting with it; . Press Cmd-f to
> open the Search field; . Stop interacting until you've stopped interacting
> with the scroll area; . Navigate down to the next scroll area and set
> another hotspot; . Press Cmd-f to hide the Search area.
> 
> Now, when you need to search for something, just press Cmd-f, enter the
> string and press Return. Go to the hotspot you sett on the Search area and
> select the result you want. Bring the mouse and press VO-Shift-Space then
> jump to the hotspot you set on the table. Just interact and you'll be on the
> selected cell.
> 
> This method removes the need to turn off cursor tracking, and minimises the
> amount of interacting and uninteracting you have to do.
> 
> I tried this from all over a spreadsheet with over 400 lines and it worked
> every time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Searching in Numbers

[Anne Robertson]

Hello David,

I'm glad you find my little trick useful. I don't use Numbers much, but we're 
teaching iWork to a student at the moment, so I've been brushing up on it.

I'd love to be able to write the kind of guide you're talking about, but it 
takes a lot of time and concentration. I'd also have to do it in French, too, 
as most of my work is in French.

I'm most familiar with Pages as I use it for my translation work and I've used 
Keynote a bit, and we taught Keynote to a totally blind person a couple of 
years ago.

There's so much work to be done and so little time in which to do it.

However, thank you for your kind words.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Absolutely brilliant.
> 
> I think you should consider writing a I Works Guide for visually Impaired
> people  .
> 
> Something modelled on the "getting started with the Iphone  for blind Users
> " Daisy Book only targeted at Office Productivity generally and using I
> Works on the Mac specifically.
> 
> You could probably assemble a lot of it from the posts you have made on this
> list but it would be very useful to have it all set out in tutorial form and
> properly structured with chapters on Pages Numbers and Keynote with possible
> supplementary on these app on I devices.
> You could also have Section on Text Edit, mail contacts Calendar and how
> they interact with the I Work suite. This  would fulfil a  great need.  For
> example I picked up from you that text Edit is a better tool for continuous
> reading of word docs than Pages.
> 
> There is also a need for a guide to using office productivity on the Mac
> which integrates OS  and voiceover key shortcuts.
> There are loads of introductions to voiceover but very little which takes
> you to the next stage.
> It is a yawning gap in the market.
> I, for one, would buy it.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> David Griffith

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RE: Searching in Numbers

[David Griffith]

Absolutely brilliant.

I think you should consider writing a I Works Guide for visually Impaired
people  .

Something modelled on the "getting started with the Iphone  for blind Users
" Daisy Book only targeted at Office Productivity generally and using I
Works on the Mac specifically.

You could probably assemble a lot of it from the posts you have made on this
list but it would be very useful to have it all set out in tutorial form and
properly structured with chapters on Pages Numbers and Keynote with possible
supplementary on these app on I devices.
You could also have Section on Text Edit, mail contacts Calendar and how
they interact with the I Work suite. This  would fulfil a  great need.  For
example I picked up from you that text Edit is a better tool for continuous
reading of word docs than Pages.

There is also a need for a guide to using office productivity on the Mac
which integrates OS  and voiceover key shortcuts.
There are loads of introductions to voiceover but very little which takes
you to the next stage.
It is a yawning gap in the market.
I, for one, would buy it.

David Griffith


David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 09 February 2013 18:43
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Searching in Numbers

Hello everyone,

I just discovered this trick for searching for specific content in Numbers.

. Set a hotspot on the table without interacting with it; . Press Cmd-f to
open the Search field; . Stop interacting until you've stopped interacting
with the scroll area; . Navigate down to the next scroll area and set
another hotspot; . Press Cmd-f to hide the Search area.

Now, when you need to search for something, just press Cmd-f, enter the
string and press Return. Go to the hotspot you sett on the Search area and
select the result you want. Bring the mouse and press VO-Shift-Space then
jump to the hotspot you set on the table. Just interact and you'll be on the
selected cell.

This method removes the need to turn off cursor tracking, and minimises the
amount of interacting and uninteracting you have to do.

I tried this from all over a spreadsheet with over 400 lines and it worked
every time.

Cheers,

Anne
 
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Searching in Numbers

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

I just discovered this trick for searching for specific content in Numbers.

• Set a hotspot on the table without interacting with it;
• Press Cmd-f to open the Search field;
• Stop interacting until you've stopped interacting with the scroll area;
• Navigate down to the next scroll area and set another hotspot;
• Press Cmd-f to hide the Search area.

Now, when you need to search for something, just press Cmd-f, enter the string 
and press Return. Go to the hotspot you sett on the Search area and select the 
result you want. Bring the mouse and press VO-Shift-Space then jump to the 
hotspot you set on the table. Just interact and you'll be on the selected cell.

This method removes the need to turn off cursor tracking, and minimises the 
amount of interacting and uninteracting you have to do.

I tried this from all over a spreadsheet with over 400 lines and it worked 
every time.

Cheers,

Anne
 
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RE: numbers on the Mac

[Cathy]

Hi Josh and others,

Well, I suppose shift-command-equals is a command to make the font larger!
So that didn't work, but I did manage to get into the menus this time with
the usual vo-M and found a link to two online manuals for the numbers
program. So I am on my way at last. Sure have a lot of reading ahead of me
however.

If anyone out there knows some commands that they would share privately that
would be greatly appreciated!

Cathy flowersandhe...@gmail.com


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Re: numbers on the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

Hi, command plus? Should get you to the help menu in which should be numbers 
help.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 8:31 PM, "Cathy"  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know of a good resource to learn the numbers program with VO?
> 
> Do any of you folks use this program regularly?
> 
> I have looked through the menus and a couple of things I need to do in this
> program are not obvious to me.
> 
> Firstly, is there any command to get program specific help?
> 
> How do I move from sheet to sheet in a multi-sheet document?
> 
> How do I view and edit my formulas?
> 
> How do I sort columns?
> 
> How do I have headers spoken?
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I have been able to move from cell to cell, so I am not completely
> hopeless. 
> 
> I have more questions but having these answers will surely get me started. 
> 
> Thanks, Cathy
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Numbers, new accessibility?

[Phil Halton]

I was refering to the osx version. I think I'll probably be sticking with 
the other platform though - there doesn't seem to be anything on the Mac 
approaching the accessibility and ease of use that has been developed for 
J$$S and E$$$l.


I've come to the conclusion, right or wrong, that the Mac is more a platform 
for creativity apps, and Windows a better platform for the business/office 
productivity suite.




- Original Message - 
From: "Zachary Kline" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Numbers, new accessibility?


Actually, I'm not sure if he was referring to Numbers for iOS or for OS X. 
I only have experience with the OS X version, as Anne described below. 
Which were you asking about?

Yours,
Zack.
On Dec 16, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:


Hello Phil,

The problem with Numbers used to be its sluggishness rather than its 
inaccessibility. It now seems to be much more responsive, even with large 
tables containing over 300 lines.


I must admit, I use the trackpad without the trackpad commander to scroll 
quickly down a table as there appears to be no way of doing this with 
VoiceOver. I use two fingers to swipe up the trackpad, then click the 
trackpad, and VO tells me where I am.


The Find command works in the same way it always did. You can find 
specific content but not jump to a specific cell.


What other problems were there?

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Dec 2012, at 19:29, Phil Halton  wrote:

I read over on the HTB2.com website that numbers is now completely 
accessible with a new update. I don't have numbers, using its competitor 
instead. If anyone who uses numbers can confirm a new update and full 
accessibility would you please comment onlist? I may just give it a go 
if it's now a viable option to excel.




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Re: Numbers, new accessibility?

[Zachary Kline]

Actually, I'm not sure if he was referring to Numbers for iOS or for OS X. I 
only have experience with the OS X version, as Anne described below. Which were 
you asking about?
Yours,
Zack.
On Dec 16, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Phil,
> 
> The problem with Numbers used to be its sluggishness rather than its 
> inaccessibility. It now seems to be much more responsive, even with large 
> tables containing over 300 lines.
> 
> I must admit, I use the trackpad without the trackpad commander to scroll 
> quickly down a table as there appears to be no way of doing this with 
> VoiceOver. I use two fingers to swipe up the trackpad, then click the 
> trackpad, and VO tells me where I am.
> 
> The Find command works in the same way it always did. You can find specific 
> content but not jump to a specific cell.
> 
> What other problems were there?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 16 Dec 2012, at 19:29, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I read over on the HTB2.com website that numbers is now completely 
>> accessible with a new update. I don't have numbers, using its competitor 
>> instead. If anyone who uses numbers can confirm a new update and full 
>> accessibility would you please comment onlist? I may just give it a go if 
>> it's now a viable option to excel.
>> 
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Re: Numbers, new accessibility?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Phil,

The problem with Numbers used to be its sluggishness rather than its 
inaccessibility. It now seems to be much more responsive, even with large 
tables containing over 300 lines.

I must admit, I use the trackpad without the trackpad commander to scroll 
quickly down a table as there appears to be no way of doing this with 
VoiceOver. I use two fingers to swipe up the trackpad, then click the trackpad, 
and VO tells me where I am.

The Find command works in the same way it always did. You can find specific 
content but not jump to a specific cell.

What other problems were there?

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Dec 2012, at 19:29, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I read over on the HTB2.com website that numbers is now completely accessible 
> with a new update. I don't have numbers, using its competitor instead. If 
> anyone who uses numbers can confirm a new update and full accessibility would 
> you please comment onlist? I may just give it a go if it's now a viable 
> option to excel.
> 

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