[Mac-access]: Evaluation: iPhone 6 and iOS 8: A Look at Accessibility with the Help of iOS Without the Eye, by Jonathan Mosen - AccessWorld® - October 2014
Hi! Found this very good read in the October 2014 issue of Access World, a publication of the American Foundation for the Blind, thought others may be interested. http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw151003 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: ios 8
Hi if you had read the ipad 1 was not compatible with ios 8 so that might explain why you have had all this trouble -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:49 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented. Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E
Re: ios 8
Yes but if you read their message they are talking about the iPad Mini 1 which is compatible and not the iPad 1 which is not. David Griffith On 15/10/2014 15:21, wayne17a wrote: Hi if you had read the ipad 1 was not compatible with ios 8 so that might explain why you have had all this trouble -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:49 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented. Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml
Re: ios 8
I have spoke with apple about this current accessibility issue, and to current there is no cause, and no result. They suggested it is something within my unit, as the particular issues that I am having are not mimicked with the same device in their centre. I have formatted it a few times now with the same result. As of now, I am selling it as it is impossible to use for a visually impaired person, and perfectly functional if you do not require accessibility. Thank you guys! On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:27 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes but if you read their message they are talking about the iPad Mini 1 which is compatible and not the iPad 1 which is not. David Griffith On 15/10/2014 15:21, wayne17a wrote: Hi if you had read the ipad 1 was not compatible with ios 8 so that might explain why you have had all this trouble -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:49 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented. Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security
Re: ios 8
Well I have the iPad Mini, the first one to come out so I guess it is the 1 and I use it with accessability without a problem. I have upgraded to iOS 8.02 Eleanor - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 I have spoke with apple about this current accessibility issue, and to current there is no cause, and no result. They suggested it is something within my unit, as the particular issues that I am having are not mimicked with the same device in their centre. I have formatted it a few times now with the same result. As of now, I am selling it as it is impossible to use for a visually impaired person, and perfectly functional if you do not require accessibility. Thank you guys! On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:27 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes but if you read their message they are talking about the iPad Mini 1 which is compatible and not the iPad 1 which is not. David Griffith On 15/10/2014 15:21, wayne17a wrote: Hi if you had read the ipad 1 was not compatible with ios 8 so that might explain why you have had all this trouble -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:49 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented. Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail
ios 8
Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ios 8
It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ios 8
Hi Christopher I mainly sms and email and safari and the weather app. I just worried about stuffing it up itsa 5c running ios 7 and its smooth and fast its a new phone. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: christopher hallsworth Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:06 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: ios 8
Hello, I have noticed a few bugs, as well as lots of good things with iOS8. There are a few bugs I've noticed, such as caller ID doesn't always work. However, if you swipe to the left when your phone rings, you can still tell who is calling. The other thing is that Siri likes to cut off a lot. She will just stop speaking. On the other hand, I love the name that tune feature, as well as the health app. So it all really depends on what you want to do. I am glad I upgraded. Mary -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ios 8
As others have said, it all comes down to what you can cope with. As a 5C, your phone itself will handle the update just fine without any real issues with sluggishness. I have not really seen any issues of note with SMS. Email is a bit buggy. I have had issues where I double tap on the reply button and it actually activates the compose button. There are also lagging issues if you use the minimize draft option to save a draft while you look for something else. VO doesn't necessarily like this feature. Another thing to get used to: if you are using a Gmail account like I am, you now need to swipe down to archive, like in iOs 6. If you swipe up, you get a delete option, which is helpful, but if you archive everything like I do, it just takes some getting used to. As far as the weather app goes, it's really nice in iOs 8. The only problem that I have seen with it is that the widget doesn't always appear in notification center like it should. Other than that, it will just be a personal decision for you. These bugs are a minor annoyance to me and I cope with them fine. VoiceOver likes to restart itself or freeze altogether at points, but it can be easily dealt with. I have seen no real differences in Safari. The most obnoxious bug for me is the sticky phone keypad buttons. I hope this helps. Version 8.1 should be coming soon, so we'll see what that fixes. Aleeha On 10/13/14, Stores, Mary A. msto...@indiana.edu wrote: Hello, I have noticed a few bugs, as well as lots of good things with iOS8. There are a few bugs I've noticed, such as caller ID doesn't always work. However, if you swipe to the left when your phone rings, you can still tell who is calling. The other thing is that Siri likes to cut off a lot. She will just stop speaking. On the other hand, I love the name that tune feature, as well as the health app. So it all really depends on what you want to do. I am glad I upgraded. Mary -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure
Re: ios 8
I have iOS8 on my 5c and there is no problem. - Original Message - From: michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:23 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 Hi Christopher I mainly sms and email and safari and the weather app. I just worried about stuffing it up itsa 5c running ios 7 and its smooth and fast its a new phone. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: christopher hallsworth Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:06 PM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ios 8
There is also a bug with mms where it won't send. Sms works fine. also if you use hang outs it crashes. I reported this to both apple and google but looks like that might or might not be fixed when ios8.1 hits the shelves On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: As others have said, it all comes down to what you can cope with. As a 5C, your phone itself will handle the update just fine without any real issues with sluggishness. I have not really seen any issues of note with SMS. Email is a bit buggy. I have had issues where I double tap on the reply button and it actually activates the compose button. There are also lagging issues if you use the minimize draft option to save a draft while you look for something else. VO doesn't necessarily like this feature. Another thing to get used to: if you are using a Gmail account like I am, you now need to swipe down to archive, like in iOs 6. If you swipe up, you get a delete option, which is helpful, but if you archive everything like I do, it just takes some getting used to. As far as the weather app goes, it's really nice in iOs 8. The only problem that I have seen with it is that the widget doesn't always appear in notification center like it should. Other than that, it will just be a personal decision for you. These bugs are a minor annoyance to me and I cope with them fine. VoiceOver likes to restart itself or freeze altogether at points, but it can be easily dealt with. I have seen no real differences in Safari. The most obnoxious bug for me is the sticky phone keypad buttons. I hope this helps. Version 8.1 should be coming soon, so we'll see what that fixes. Aleeha On 10/13/14, Stores, Mary A. msto...@indiana.edu wrote: Hello, I have noticed a few bugs, as well as lots of good things with iOS8. There are a few bugs I've noticed, such as caller ID doesn't always work. However, if you swipe to the left when your phone rings, you can still tell who is calling. The other thing is that Siri likes to cut off a lot. She will just stop speaking. On the other hand, I love the name that tune feature, as well as the health app. So it all really depends on what you want to do. I am glad I upgraded. Mary -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can
Re: ios 8
I would wait till at least this Thursday when apple is making another reveal and possibly another update to 8.1 as rumored. Anna Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 AM, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ios 8
I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ios 8
i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented… Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail
Re: ios 8
No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented… Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
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No you can't as Apple stopped signing 7.1.2 a few weeks ago making downgrading impossible. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 13 Oct 2014, at 20:17, Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com wrote: i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented… Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post
Re: ios 8
CRAAp. i had no choice, it was only allowing to update, i couldn’t cancel or anything…. the thing is practically bricked now cuz of how much it messed it up. thinking I will be sending apple a very well written email with a complaint about this issue. On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote: No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented… Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive
Re: ios 8
Think there might be an update coming out on Thursday and hopefully that will help Eleanor Martha Burke On 13 Oct 2014, at 21:25, Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com wrote: CRAAp. i had no choice, it was only allowing to update, i couldn’t cancel or anything…. the thing is practically bricked now cuz of how much it messed it up. thinking I will be sending apple a very well written email with a complaint about this issue. On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote: No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented… Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac
Re: ios 8
Hi Doug, perhaps this will help, I saved it from another list. Glenn The following, from another list, may be of interest to some who are having problems with the new firmware: Hello Listers, Since a few people asked about downgrading, I thought I test it out since I already had the iOS 7.1.2 file downloaded from when I was Beta testing iOS 8. I wanted to be prepared to downgrade in case it was necessary. Since I was also contemplating doing a new install of iOS 8 (mine has been just updated repeatedly all the way back from Beta 1 in June) I thought why not see if downgrading to iOS 7.1.2 still works before I upgrade to iOS 8. So, I connected my phone, did a sync and an encrypted backup and then went to the Restore button in the device section and pressed Shift+Enter (I am using a Windows 7 laptop). I browsed to where I saved the IPSW file (Apple Software Update File) and selected it. I was told my phone would be restored to version 7.1.2, it then went through the steps and 10 minutes later I was done and iOS 7.1.2 was back on my device. I turned Voiceover with a triple click of the home button, went through the initial setup screens and I am now sitting here with a factory restored iOS 7.1.2 installation on my phone. I thought I mention this for anybody who might be just too unhappy with the bugs in iOS 8 and prefers the familiar. It is now Sunday, September 21 at 1:30 PM Pacific time so about 4 days after the public release of iOS 8 (100 hours to be exact) and it appears that Apple is still allowing downgrading. I can’t say if this will still work tomorrow and, if it does, whether it will still work on Tuessday and so on. I am now going to upgrade back to iOS 8 since while I don’t like some of the bugs I do at the same time like some of the new features and the latter outweighs the prior. I will not try to downgrade again in a few days just to see if it works, it’s up to everybody to decide and do what they feel they must. If you do want to go back to iOS 7.1.2, you can download the software from www.IPSWDownloader.com. There are 3 combo boxes where you select your device, your device model and the firmware. Make sure you know exactly which model of iPhone or iPad or whatever you have since you will need to know. I have a GSM iPhone 5S which is version A1533, but if you are on Sprint or Verizon it might be a different model, I am not exactly sure which carrier uses which model in the States as I am in Canada. I am pretty sure that an ATT iPhone 5S is also model A1533. You can find out either by getting somebody to look at the baclk of yourt device, the model number is engraved there. If you want to find out by yourself go to Settings, General and About. Note down the last 3 or 4 digits/characters of your phone’s serial number. Now go to http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup and type the last 3 characters of the serial number in the edit field, then find the results and the model number will be listed there. If it doesn’t work with 3 characters try it with 4. The model numbers all start with a letter followed by 4 numbers, e.g. A1533. Once you have located the correct IPSW file to download, save it do your Downloads folder or wherever you can find it again. When the download is done (iOS 7.1.2 is almost 1.5 Gb) you have to extract it by right clicking on it and select “Extract All”. In the folder which will show up you will find the actual IPSW file which is called as follows: iPhone6,1_7.1.2_11D257_Restore.IPSW You won’t of course see the extension since most likely you will have “Hide extensions for known file types” set to On. Anyhow, now connect your phone to iTunes, go to Restore and press Shift+Enter on it. In the open dialogue, browse to the IPSW file and open it, from there everything will proceed as normal. If you have done a backup under iOS 8 I can’t guaranty that it will restore perfectly, I would probably recommend to set up as a new phone and start from scratch,. Regards, - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:25 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 CRAAp. i had no choice, it was only allowing to update, i couldn’t cancel or anything…. the thing is practically bricked now cuz of how much it messed it up. thinking I will be sending apple a very well written email with a complaint about this issue. On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote: No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches
Re: ios 8
yes but Apple will not allowed that at this date. Eleanor Martha Burke On 13 Oct 2014, at 22:32, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote: Hi Doug, perhaps this will help, I saved it from another list. Glenn The following, from another list, may be of interest to some who are having problems with the new firmware: Hello Listers, Since a few people asked about downgrading, I thought I test it out since I already had the iOS 7.1.2 file downloaded from when I was Beta testing iOS 8. I wanted to be prepared to downgrade in case it was necessary. Since I was also contemplating doing a new install of iOS 8 (mine has been just updated repeatedly all the way back from Beta 1 in June) I thought why not see if downgrading to iOS 7.1.2 still works before I upgrade to iOS 8. So, I connected my phone, did a sync and an encrypted backup and then went to the Restore button in the device section and pressed Shift+Enter (I am using a Windows 7 laptop). I browsed to where I saved the IPSW file (Apple Software Update File) and selected it. I was told my phone would be restored to version 7.1.2, it then went through the steps and 10 minutes later I was done and iOS 7.1.2 was back on my device. I turned Voiceover with a triple click of the home button, went through the initial setup screens and I am now sitting here with a factory restored iOS 7.1.2 installation on my phone. I thought I mention this for anybody who might be just too unhappy with the bugs in iOS 8 and prefers the familiar. It is now Sunday, September 21 at 1:30 PM Pacific time so about 4 days after the public release of iOS 8 (100 hours to be exact) and it appears that Apple is still allowing downgrading. I can’t say if this will still work tomorrow and, if it does, whether it will still work on Tuessday and so on. I am now going to upgrade back to iOS 8 since while I don’t like some of the bugs I do at the same time like some of the new features and the latter outweighs the prior. I will not try to downgrade again in a few days just to see if it works, it’s up to everybody to decide and do what they feel they must. If you do want to go back to iOS 7.1.2, you can download the software from www.IPSWDownloader.com. There are 3 combo boxes where you select your device, your device model and the firmware. Make sure you know exactly which model of iPhone or iPad or whatever you have since you will need to know. I have a GSM iPhone 5S which is version A1533, but if you are on Sprint or Verizon it might be a different model, I am not exactly sure which carrier uses which model in the States as I am in Canada. I am pretty sure that an ATT iPhone 5S is also model A1533. You can find out either by getting somebody to look at the baclk of yourt device, the model number is engraved there. If you want to find out by yourself go to Settings, General and About. Note down the last 3 or 4 digits/characters of your phone’s serial number. Now go to http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup and type the last 3 characters of the serial number in the edit field, then find the results and the model number will be listed there. If it doesn’t work with 3 characters try it with 4. The model numbers all start with a letter followed by 4 numbers, e.g. A1533. Once you have located the correct IPSW file to download, save it do your Downloads folder or wherever you can find it again. When the download is done (iOS 7.1.2 is almost 1.5 Gb) you have to extract it by right clicking on it and select “Extract All”. In the folder which will show up you will find the actual IPSW file which is called as follows: iPhone6,1_7.1.2_11D257_Restore.IPSW You won’t of course see the extension since most likely you will have “Hide extensions for known file types” set to On. Anyhow, now connect your phone to iTunes, go to Restore and press Shift+Enter on it. In the open dialogue, browse to the IPSW file and open it, from there everything will proceed as normal. If you have done a backup under iOS 8 I can’t guaranty that it will restore perfectly, I would probably recommend to set up as a new phone and start from scratch,. Regards, - Original Message - From: Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:25 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 CRAAp. i had no choice, it was only allowing to update, i couldn’t cancel or anything…. the thing is practically bricked now cuz of how much it messed it up. thinking I will be sending apple a very well written email with a complaint about this issue. On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote: No Duglas you cannot revert. My niece who is sighted and not using Voice Over, said the update really messed up her iPad Mini. - Original Message - From
Re: ios 8
No you cannot. Apple quit signing ios7 2 weeks ago. so you are stuck with it. Call apple accessibility and report it. On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Douglas doug.c...@gmail.com wrote: i updated my iPad mini 1st generation the other day. and well. i have came across more glitches and bugs that have actually made the iPad impossible to use. for example, i am trying to type notes in class, and voice over keeps turning on and off on and off on and off. there is no scrolling visually, the screen just sticks in one location, etc. As far as i am concerned, IOS8 is the worst ios implemented… Can i revert to IOS7 now that i have this brutal system in the iPad? On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply
Re: ios 8
Actually the mms bug has not been fixed and i kind of forgot to submit my logs for that. I hear that in some cases turnign air drop works but in most cases it does not. Also some apps I use are very broken with ios8 so I cannot update for that reason. Hang outs is an example. On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I agree but now I'm coming to terms with the fact some just do not want to update until the bugs are ironed out which is unnecessary but there you go. Each uses our own devices in different ways and think some are scared their habits will be taken away with the update which isn't true at all. As a beta tester I can tell you there were terrible bugs initially with iOS 8, most of which were fixed as the betas progressed to Gold Master and beyond. Sent from my laptop On 13/10/2014 15:25, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote: I am a bit like you Chris in that way, like to take the update and then see what the bugs are and then how they get resolved. They are not so bad as not to be able to use the device. - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: ios 8 It really comes down to what and how you use your phone. There is no right or wrong answer. Suffice to say if you're adventurous like me and can cope with bugs and workarounds then go ahead. If not watch this space for announcements and posts on updates then decide from there. Good luck! Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2014, at 12:01, michael's mail box michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au wrote: Hi guys are people still having trouble with the latest ios 8 update. Or has Apple fixed most the problems now. Is it worth up dating the phone yet. Cheers michael. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space? Sent from my iPad On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote: This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space? Sent from my iPad On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote: This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
Hi Diane, Thank you for you help but I have got it fixed now. I did what Martin suggested and everything is working fine. Thanks again, TrevorOn 1 Oct 2014, at 11:59, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net wrote: I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space? Sent from my iPad On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote: This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
At least on the Apple BT keyboard, you can press the top right key and when VO says keyboard hidden, press any key and then the top right key again. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net wrote: I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space? Sent from my iPad On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote: This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
Tha'ts the work around I've been doing since ios7 when that bug cropped up. and the same is true on my logitech k760 solar powered keyboard as well. Take care. On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: At least on the Apple BT keyboard, you can press the top right key and when VO says keyboard hidden, press any key and then the top right key again. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net wrote: I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space? Sent from my iPad On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote: This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys solving technical issues as well as building electronic and mechanical things. I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS platforms. When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer real keys to hunting and tapping any day. When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and there were no real show stoppers. If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug when something new comes out but the following is beyond ridiculous. On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that was a huge mistake. The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except for two very specific conditions: 1. All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12 actually still work. 2. The letters and numbers will still work when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it is not loosing contact. The Caps-Lock key always reports that Caps lock is on each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan codes are obviously being received and translated correctly. I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it would cause the system to work better and be more secure. I was wrong and I am not happy at this time. Sincerely, Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group End of quoted message. At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive motors. I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real adults are in charge of much of anything any more. Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's
Arranging home page on IOS 8
Hello, I am having a very frustrating time trying to move all my Apps on my iPhone 5S into sensible folders on home page 1. . I currently have folders on 4 columns and 4 rows on page 1. Now there are App Icons on page 2 which I want to move into the appropriate folder on page 1. When I move an App from page 2 onto page 1 it seems to go into row 5 on page 1. If I then press the home key and go to page 1 and double tap and hold any Icon on row 5 I do not get the ability to move that Icon into any of the folders on page 1. In fact I do not get the ability to move Icons on row 5 of page 1 at all. Any ideas? Many Thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Arranging home page on IOS 8
Hello Paul. Here is what I do. I first take 2 apps i want in a folder and put them on the first blank page. This makes it easier to overlap them to create folders. if i already have a folder i move that and an app i want in it to the blank page. I then move each app i want into that folder on to the new page one at a time and put them in. When done I just move the folder back to the page it belongs on and then repeat for any other folders. I hope this helps. On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, I am having a very frustrating time trying to move all my Apps on my iPhone 5S into sensible folders on home page 1. . I currently have folders on 4 columns and 4 rows on page 1. Now there are App Icons on page 2 which I want to move into the appropriate folder on page 1. When I move an App from page 2 onto page 1 it seems to go into row 5 on page 1. If I then press the home key and go to page 1 and double tap and hold any Icon on row 5 I do not get the ability to move that Icon into any of the folders on page 1. In fact I do not get the ability to move Icons on row 5 of page 1 at all. Any ideas? Many Thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
Acugtally qn is quite useful. just turn it off if you don't like it. no big deal. On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote: This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5. I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front. After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start up the iPhone or iPad. with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O space does nothing, nor, does enter. It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with. Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right quickly. Trevor -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys solving technical issues as well as building electronic and mechanical things. I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS platforms. When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer real keys to hunting and tapping any day. When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and there were no real show stoppers. If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug when something new comes out but the following is beyond ridiculous. On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that was a huge mistake. The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except for two very specific conditions: 1. All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12 actually still work. 2. The letters and numbers will still work when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it is not loosing contact. The Caps-Lock key always reports that Caps lock is on each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan codes are obviously being received and translated correctly. I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it would cause the system to work better and be more secure. I was wrong and I am not happy at this time. Sincerely, Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group End of quoted message. At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive motors. I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real adults are in charge of much of anything any more. Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply
Re: Arranging home page on IOS 8
Hi all! This is a known bug in iOS 8. It has been reported already, but I hope they fix it very soon. Thanks for that work around mean while all goes back to normal with our dear OS. Best Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 28/09/2014, a las 16:11, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net escribió: Hello Paul. Here is what I do. I first take 2 apps i want in a folder and put them on the first blank page. This makes it easier to overlap them to create folders. if i already have a folder i move that and an app i want in it to the blank page. I then move each app i want into that folder on to the new page one at a time and put them in. When done I just move the folder back to the page it belongs on and then repeat for any other folders. I hope this helps. On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, I am having a very frustrating time trying to move all my Apps on my iPhone 5S into sensible folders on home page 1. . I currently have folders on 4 columns and 4 rows on page 1. Now there are App Icons on page 2 which I want to move into the appropriate folder on page 1. When I move an App from page 2 onto page 1 it seems to go into row 5 on page 1. If I then press the home key and go to page 1 and double tap and hold any Icon on row 5 I do not get the ability to move that Icon into any of the folders on page 1. In fact I do not get the ability to move Icons on row 5 of page 1 at all. Any ideas? Many Thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix
I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty things I said about Apple? Not in the least because this is big business at it's worst. Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad just fine. As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have learned so far. From:Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously. The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your arrows back but I would call this teaser mode because you can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth. Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things. The system goes silent briefly and you here Voiceover on and find that you are now back at the start of the list of available links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less often. Time to go down another rabbit hole. One of the google searches I did turned up the following set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The following words are not mine but lifted from the email being referenced. Quoting: AppleVis If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue. Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language Region. To make the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps: 1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. 2. Open the Notes app. 3. Create a new note. 4. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to turn off the quick navigation option. 5. Hold down the command key and press the space key several times to cycle through the list of software keyboards. 6. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to turn on the quick navigation option. 7. Now your Bluetooth keyboard should work fine except other iOS bugs. 8. You may delete the software keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards. This is a copy of the email sent to RiVO customers to resolve the issue (http://goo.gl/GiBvWy) since it should also resolve the problem for other Bluetooth keyboards as well. End of quote This is Martin speaking now. After activating notes from the touch screen, I selected compose and did as the instructions said. I had selected a Spanish keyboard as the software keyboard so I typed Command+Space and heard Espaniole then English and then Espaniole again as there were now two software keyboards. I left it on English. You then just get out of notes and the BT KB now works as well as it did in IOS6. The IOS8 accessibility stack was simply not ready for prime time. While I do not have any inside knowledge of how the OS works, it appears that various parts of the system are not speaking to each other during installation and setup. If your are using an English or Russian or Chinese locale, all important modules such as the keyboard translator should understand which character sets to use without the end user having to essentially initialize them. In unix, we call this the environment and make use of environmental variables and it generally works beautifully. IOS is not unix but the concept is an old and tested one. We are using XYZ language so everything that deals with text and fonts knows this and behaves accordingly unless specifically told otherwise. I hope this helps somebody. Knowledge is worth a lot more when it is concentrated in one place. Treasure hunts are fun and challenging but sometimes, we just want stuff to work. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix
Hello Martin, You didn’t have to upgrade. Your choice. Why not wait for a few weeks and see how the people who have non-production devices test the new releases. Gena On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:32, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty things I said about Apple? Not in the least because this is big business at it's worst. Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad just fine. As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have learned so far. From:Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously. The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your arrows back but I would call this teaser mode because you can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth. Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things. The system goes silent briefly and you here Voiceover on and find that you are now back at the start of the list of available links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less often. Time to go down another rabbit hole. One of the google searches I did turned up the following set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The following words are not mine but lifted from the email being referenced. Quoting: AppleVis If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue. Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language Region. To make the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps: 1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. 2. Open the Notes app. 3. Create a new note. 4. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to turn off the quick navigation option. 5. Hold down the command key and press the space key several times to cycle through the list of software keyboards. 6. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to turn on the quick navigation option. 7. Now your Bluetooth keyboard should work fine except other iOS bugs. 8. You may delete the software keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards. This is a copy of the email sent to RiVO customers to resolve the issue (http://goo.gl/GiBvWy) since it should also resolve the problem for other Bluetooth keyboards as well. End of quote This is Martin speaking now. After activating notes from the touch screen, I selected compose and did as the instructions said. I had selected a Spanish keyboard as the software keyboard so I typed Command+Space and heard Espaniole then English and then Espaniole again as there were now two software keyboards. I left it on English. You then just get out of notes and the BT KB now works as well as it did in IOS6. The IOS8 accessibility stack was simply not ready for prime time. While I do not have any inside knowledge of how the OS works, it appears that various parts of the system are not speaking to each other during installation and setup. If your are using an English or Russian or Chinese locale, all important modules such as the keyboard translator should understand which character sets to use without the end user having to essentially initialize them. In unix, we call this the environment and make use of environmental variables and it generally works beautifully. IOS is not unix but the concept is an old and tested one. We are using XYZ language so everything that deals with text and fonts knows this and behaves accordingly unless specifically told otherwise. I hope this helps somebody. Knowledge is worth a lot more when it is concentrated in one place. Treasure hunts are fun and challenging but sometimes, we just want stuff to work. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix
You know, this is one thing (not just on this list, but everywhere) where folks get ribbed because they upgrade, then have issues. Yet, if anyone mentions that they're not running the latest release (such as I've done on a number of occasions) because of issues with that release, you get ribbed, because you're not upgrading and taking the issues, because they can and will be worked around. Honestly, I find it a bit irritating. I have learned to ignore it, mostly because I don't care about tech support, rarely call for it, and have no issue fixing my own hardware (most of the time), so for me, having 10 or even 20 year old equipment doesn't bother me in the least, but when I mention to someone that I have a computer running windows xp pro, that is 10 years old, or that I have an iphone 3gs, or 4s, or that I'm running osx 10.5 or 10.6, the response is nearly always, You need to upgrade That's all well and good if someone can afford to do so, and/ or if they want to do so, but some folks are perfectly happy with what they have, and don't want or need the latest and greatest, and perhaps have other equipment in addition to what's being discussed, yet, it seems to be antisocial, or anti technology, if someone doesn't want to upgrade for whatever reason. Could we please stop casting aspersions on the versions of hardware/software folks are using, and just offer help where possible, and keep quiet otherwise? Honestly, I don't care if someone is running 10.4 tiger, or 10.9 mavericks, if they have a problem, and I know how to fix it, then I'm always willing to assist, and the version of their hardware/software should have no bearing on that issue. Sure, sometimes, problems are fixed in later releases, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out, but it really needs to be done in a friendly optional manner, not in a rude direct confrontation method, as I've seen all too often here and elsewhere. I'm not a moderator, and I have nothing to do with the running of any portion of the mac-access sites or anything else relating to the list or equipment running it, I'm simply a list user who has withdrawn, and participated less and less as time goes on, because frankly, the level of snobbery on this list has truly astounded me. I realize this isn't really a matter for me to raise directly on list, but sorry folks, it's just finally gotten on my nerves one too many times. Responses like the below do nothing to help, and often cause antagonism, which really isn't necessary. Can we please keep things civil, and stop with the sniping at folks who aren't running the versions others have? Please? On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello Martin, You didn’t have to upgrade. Your choice. Why not wait for a few weeks and see how the people who have non-production devices test the new releases. Gena On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:32, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty things I said about Apple? Not in the least because this is big business at it's worst. Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad just fine. As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have learned so far. From:Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously. The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your arrows back but I would call this teaser mode because you can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth. Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things. The system goes silent briefly and you here Voiceover on and find that you are now back at the start of the list of available links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less often. Time to go down another rabbit hole. One of the google searches I did turned up the following set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The following words are not mine but lifted from the email being referenced. Quoting: AppleVis If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue. Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language Region. To make the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps: 1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary one in
Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
Hello, Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads. We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen. He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from the phone. Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs? Any thoughts/suggestions. Thanks in advance. Leo Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore from iTunes. Sent from my laptop On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote: Hello, Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads. We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen. He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from the phone. Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs? Any thoughts/suggestions. Thanks in advance. Leo Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
Hi, Will try that. Leo On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore from iTunes. Sent from my laptop On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote: Hello, Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads. We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen. He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from the phone. Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs? Any thoughts/suggestions. Thanks in advance. Leo Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
Leo, Sometimes it gets stuck, I would not stop the process. Is it on the USB cable for power? Also, are you installing from a phone download, or from iTunes? I recommend the latter. I also find it helpful to close all running apps in the app switcher before doing an upgrade, as that will free up some RAM. If you restart the process before reading this, I recommend what I mentioned and do a restart before doing the install. Glenn - Original Message - From: Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading Hi, Will try that. Leo On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore from iTunes. Sent from my laptop On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote: Hello, Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads. We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen. He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from the phone. Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs? Any thoughts/suggestions. Thanks in advance. Leo Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
Hi Glenn, Thanks for your suggestions. We had closed all apps before starting. We had started the upgrade directly from the phone with it on power. So, maybe the iTunes method might have been the better way to go…. Will keep you posted on progress…. Leo On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote: Leo, Sometimes it gets stuck, I would not stop the process. Is it on the USB cable for power? Also, are you installing from a phone download, or from iTunes? I recommend the latter. I also find it helpful to close all running apps in the app switcher before doing an upgrade, as that will free up some RAM. If you restart the process before reading this, I recommend what I mentioned and do a restart before doing the install. Glenn - Original Message - From: Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading Hi, Will try that. Leo On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore from iTunes. Sent from my laptop On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote: Hello, Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads. We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen. He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from the phone. Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs? Any thoughts/suggestions. Thanks in advance. Leo Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac
RE: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
This might be a case for putting the phone in DFU mode. To do this, hold down the home and power buttons symoltaniusly for around 20 seconds and let up off of the power button first and the home button around 5 seconds after. Then, use iTunes either on your mac or PC to reflash your phone. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Leo Bissonnette Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:12 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading Hello, Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads. We started with my son-in-law's iPhone and have found that his phone isn't responding. We have left it for over an hour and it's at a blank screen. He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from the phone. Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs? Any thoughts/suggestions. Thanks in advance. Leo Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys solving technical issues as well as building electronic and mechanical things. I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS platforms. When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer real keys to hunting and tapping any day. When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and there were no real show stoppers. If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug when something new comes out but the following is beyond ridiculous. On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that was a huge mistake. The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except for two very specific conditions: 1. All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12 actually still work. 2. The letters and numbers will still work when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it is not loosing contact. The Caps-Lock key always reports that Caps lock is on each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan codes are obviously being received and translated correctly. I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it would cause the system to work better and be more secure. I was wrong and I am not happy at this time. Sincerely, Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group End of quoted message. At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive motors. I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real adults are in charge of much of anything any more. Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
Tur on and off quick nav to get this to work. This sithe work around. Take care. On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: As one who works, at least for a few more months, in networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our operating system whenever possible to the current state of the art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of these exploits even have the backing of governments. So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad to IOS8 today. Big mistake! This is a copy of the message I sent to accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling down. Message follows: Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible. I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys solving technical issues as well as building electronic and mechanical things. I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS platforms. When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer real keys to hunting and tapping any day. When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and there were no real show stoppers. If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug when something new comes out but the following is beyond ridiculous. On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that was a huge mistake. The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except for two very specific conditions: 1. All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12 actually still work. 2. The letters and numbers will still work when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it is not loosing contact. The Caps-Lock key always reports that Caps lock is on each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan codes are obviously being received and translated correctly. I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it would cause the system to work better and be more secure. I was wrong and I am not happy at this time. Sincerely, Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group End of quoted message. At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive motors. I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real adults are in charge of much of anything any more. Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. Martin --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable
Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8
Hello, Many thanks for the info on touch typing on IOS 8. I vaguely recall reading some posts about bluetooth keyboards on IOS 8. IS there a problem there? I have been trying to use the iMac ASpp Type2Phone to my new iPhone 5S now running the latest IOS 8. Pressing the arrow keys on the iMac moves the cursor between fields on the iPhone but typing characters on the iMac does not enter them on the iPhone. Any thoughts…. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8
You need to turn off quick nav to get the typing to happen. it is an ios8 issue and happened durin the beta cycle. I did report it but email accessibil...@apple.com to see if they can fix it. On Sep 25, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, Many thanks for the info on touch typing on IOS 8. I vaguely recall reading some posts about bluetooth keyboards on IOS 8. IS there a problem there? I have been trying to use the iMac ASpp Type2Phone to my new iPhone 5S now running the latest IOS 8. Pressing the arrow keys on the iMac moves the cursor between fields on the iPhone but typing characters on the iMac does not enter them on the iPhone. Any thoughts…. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
The idea is to directly touch the letter then it will be inserted hence the name direct touch typing. It works similar to Fleksy but without the word prediction capabilities. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 20 Sep 2014, at 00:09, Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please explain to me what this direct touch typing is? As far as I can make out, it's not dissimilar to the standard typing where you need to do a split tap or double tap on the letters to make them appear. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2014 08:02 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Installing ios 8 Okay it's all installed and up and running George, Sent from my iPad On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home. Tc and be blessed to all. On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way
RE: Installing ios 8
Yes, I found this out quite by accident. And by doing a tiny bit of reading on it. I did a podcast on it a few days ago. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2014 00:52 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Installing ios 8 The idea is to directly touch the letter then it will be inserted hence the name direct touch typing. It works similar to Fleksy but without the word prediction capabilities. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 20 Sep 2014, at 00:09, Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please explain to me what this direct touch typing is? As far as I can make out, it's not dissimilar to the standard typing where you need to do a split tap or double tap on the letters to make them appear. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2014 08:02 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Installing ios 8 Okay it's all installed and up and running George, Sent from my iPad On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home. Tc and be blessed to all. On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
Excellent follow-up info. Thank you. Sent from my iPad On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I already reported in the public cycle. They said they would look in to it. I heard that they have a dedicated team to close duplicate bug reports so if all of are bus are being closed due to being duplicates I see no point in reporting the bugs I've been reporting. I still do it though. On Sep 20, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Work arounds aside, it is a bug and Apple needs to be bugged to fix it. I did speak with the Apple engineer and he said that it will continue to be reported as a bug and likely will be fixed within one of the updates to iOS 8 that will be released in the next few weeks. I had the feeling that if there aren't enough people making noise about this the problem won't be brought to the top of the pile of problems. Also, as someone on this list pointed out, the bug has been reported in a beta cycle, so it isn't an unknown problem. If noise isn't made it won't get resolved. Making noise on here or on Twitter is good to get the word out about the problem so that if people who make significant use of the keyboard don't want to be inconvenienced they can stick with iOS 7, but contacting Apple in your preferred manner and letting them know that making it inconvenient to use a Bluetooth keyboard is an unacceptable accessibility feature is also a good idea.. They seemed receptive t o addressing user issues. Cheers! Sue B. On 9/19/14, 1:28 PM, Juanita Martin wrote: I'm using the BT keyboard and as long as Quick Nav is off, everything is fine. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Using handoff in iOS 8
I am trying to use hand off between iPhone and iPad newline when I compose an email message on i phone I then unlock the iPad but the email icon does not appear on the Lock screen period newline I have all the settings enabled on both devices George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
Yeah tha'ts what I heard over twitter. Tha'ts where I go tthe work around. tAke care. On Sep 19, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I'm using the BT keyboard and as long as Quick Nav is off, everything is fine. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
While it works, it also restarts VO and puts your cursor in random places. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: The bug has been reported. but one work around is to turn of and on quick nav so I hear. You might have to do it a few times. Btw this bug was around since beta 1 of the cycle and I did report it then. Take care. On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
Well a vo space on the field will fix that. one for start, and another for end of field. Hope that helps. On Sep 20, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: While it works, it also restarts VO and puts your cursor in random places. On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: The bug has been reported. but one work around is to turn of and on quick nav so I hear. You might have to do it a few times. Btw this bug was around since beta 1 of the cycle and I did report it then. Take care. On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
Work arounds aside, it is a bug and Apple needs to be bugged to fix it. I did speak with the Apple engineer and he said that it will continue to be reported as a bug and likely will be fixed within one of the updates to iOS 8 that will be released in the next few weeks. I had the feeling that if there aren't enough people making noise about this the problem won't be brought to the top of the pile of problems. Also, as someone on this list pointed out, the bug has been reported in a beta cycle, so it isn't an unknown problem. If noise isn't made it won't get resolved. Making noise on here or on Twitter is good to get the word out about the problem so that if people who make significant use of the keyboard don't want to be inconvenienced they can stick with iOS 7, but contacting Apple in your preferred manner and letting them know that making it inconvenient to use a Bluetooth keyboard is an unacceptable accessibility feature is also a good idea.. They seemed receptive to addressing user issues. Cheers! Sue B. On 9/19/14, 1:28 PM, Juanita Martin wrote: I'm using the BT keyboard and as long as Quick Nav is off, everything is fine. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
I already reported in the public cycle. They said they would look in to it. I heard that they have a dedicated team to close duplicate bug reports so if all of are bus are being closed due to being duplicates I see no point in reporting the bugs I've been reporting. I still do it though. On Sep 20, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Work arounds aside, it is a bug and Apple needs to be bugged to fix it. I did speak with the Apple engineer and he said that it will continue to be reported as a bug and likely will be fixed within one of the updates to iOS 8 that will be released in the next few weeks. I had the feeling that if there aren't enough people making noise about this the problem won't be brought to the top of the pile of problems. Also, as someone on this list pointed out, the bug has been reported in a beta cycle, so it isn't an unknown problem. If noise isn't made it won't get resolved. Making noise on here or on Twitter is good to get the word out about the problem so that if people who make significant use of the keyboard don't want to be inconvenienced they can stick with iOS 7, but contacting Apple in your preferred manner and letting them know that making it inconvenient to use a Bluetooth keyboard is an unacceptable accessibility feature is also a good idea.. They seemed receptive t o addressing user issues. Cheers! Sue B. On 9/19/14, 1:28 PM, Juanita Martin wrote: I'm using the BT keyboard and as long as Quick Nav is off, everything is fine. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access
Installing ios 8
I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
Hi, George. I had the same problem. The servers at Apple are probably getting hammered with requests for updates. I turned off my phone and turned it back on, like resetting the download. I heard from another list that parts of the new iOS8 are buggy with VoiceOver. If that's the case, I'd wait before getting the latest and not necessarily the greatest. Just my thoughts. Matthew Chao At 07:50 AM 9/19/2014, you wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
I'd update that wayyu can report bugs. plus the download will take 4 gigs, to to install and 2 to hold the temp file so make sure you have at least 4 gigs clear maybe 1 more for head room. Take care. On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, George. I had the same problem. The servers at Apple are probably getting hammered with requests for updates. I turned off my phone and turned it back on, like resetting the download. I heard from another list that parts of the new iOS8 are buggy with VoiceOver. If that's the case, I'd wait before getting the latest and not necessarily the greatest. Just my thoughts. Matthew Chao At 07:50 AM 9/19/2014, you wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home. Tc and be blessed to all. On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
Hello. I heard about this problem from another listserv. If indeed there’s a bug here, all the more reason not to upgrade. Never get 1.0 of anything, and iOS 8 appears to be one of them. Matthew Chao On Sep 19, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
I had this problem on Wednesday 16 Sept and again on Thurs 17 Sept. I therefore went in to the Apple store. I had been trying to update over the air and I guess my broadband was not coping! It did OK on my iPhone in the Apple store. The iPad Mini was a nightmare. I had tried at least 6 times at home and it always appeared to be installing even to the point of VO saying iOS 8 will now be installed. However, each time I was left with iOS7!!! In the end we could not even do it with iTunes in Store so only option in store was to reformat the iPad Mini after having backed-up everything to iCloud and then install iOS8 and that worked. - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net To: Mac-access iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:50 PM Subject: Installing ios 8 I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
Ouch! Yeah that was odd. Well at least the guys got it to work at the apple store. Yeah I'm waiting until I get on my 50 mbps down and 8 up connection. then I can really have fun, or pull what hair I have left out. lol! Tc all. Sarah Alawami, owner and founder of Alawami productions: where quality is key. Check us out on the web at http://alawamiproductions.com/listen On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote: I had this problem on Wednesday 16 Sept and again on Thurs 17 Sept. I therefore went in to the Apple store. I had been trying to update over the air and I guess my broadband was not coping! It did OK on my iPhone in the Apple store. The iPad Mini was a nightmare. I had tried at least 6 times at home and it always appeared to be installing even to the point of VO saying iOS 8 will now be installed. However, each time I was left with iOS7!!! In the end we could not even do it with iTunes in Store so only option in store was to reformat the iPad Mini after having backed-up everything to iCloud and then install iOS8 and that worked. - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net To: Mac-access iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:50 PM Subject: Installing ios 8 I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
The bug has been reported. but one work around is to turn of and on quick nav so I hear. You might have to do it a few times. Btw this bug was around since beta 1 of the cycle and I did report it then. Take care. On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: IOS 8 and Bluetooth keyboard
I'm using the BT keyboard and as long as Quick Nav is off, everything is fine. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Sue Bernardo s...@mindspring.com wrote: Has anyone else had problems with doing some of the common Voice Over Gestures on a Bluetooth keyboard since upgrading to iOS 8? I've been in contact with Apple about this and it would help to tell them if others are having the same problem. Which keyboard brand are you using if you aren't having issues? I've tried 2 keyboards and commands like VO-SPACEBAR simply do nothing. Would love to hear how it is working for others. I've got an escalated call set up with Apple for later today. Thanks, Sue B. Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing ios 8
Okay it's all installed and up and running George, Sent from my iPad On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home. Tc and be blessed to all. On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Installing ios 8
Can someone please explain to me what this direct touch typing is? As far as I can make out, it's not dissimilar to the standard typing where you need to do a split tap or double tap on the letters to make them appear. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2014 08:02 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Installing ios 8 Okay it's all installed and up and running George, Sent from my iPad On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home. Tc and be blessed to all. On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
Re: Installing ios 8
Hi Sarah, For future reference , how do you save the ios update file for installing later of the server ? George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home. Tc and be blessed to all. On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm getting is. Your software update request has been received, you will be notified when download is complete and ready to install. This message has not changed for a few hours. What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
