Re: To the moderator

[Macs R We]

Addendum: 47% of your participants will never see any messages on your list 
from a sender at a DMARC-protected domain.

> On Apr 14, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
> 
> One more plea for you to turn on the "header munging' switch on your MAILMAN 
> server, so that valid messages from DMARC-protected domains won't get 
> suppressed by recipients who honor DMARC. Sample results under the current 
> regime appear below -- the "munging" switch fixes this at no cost to anything.
> 
>> no-re...@master.antispamcloud.com <mailto:no-re...@master.antispamcloud.com> 
>> DMARC Forensic Report for macsrwe.com <http://macsrwe.com/> from IP 
>> 204.128.250.1
>> To: Domain Admin mailto:domain-ad...@macsrwe.com>>
>> A message claiming to be from you has failed the published DMARC policy for 
>> your domain.
>> 
>>  Sender Domain: macsrwe.com <http://macsrwe.com/>
>>  Sender IP Address: 204.128.250.1
>>  Received date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 00:21:26 +0200
>>  SPF Alignment: no
>>  DKIM Alignment: no
>>  DMARC Results: Reject
>> 
>> -- This is a copy of the headers that were received before the error was 
>> detected.
>> 
>> X-DKIM-Failure: bodyhash_mismatch
>> Received: from mailhost.omnigroup.com <http://mailhost.omnigroup.com/> 
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To the moderator

[Macs R We]

One more plea for you to turn on the "header munging' switch on your MAILMAN 
server, so that valid messages from DMARC-protected domains won't get 
suppressed by recipients who honor DMARC. Sample results under the current 
regime appear below -- the "munging" switch fixes this at no cost to anything.

> no-re...@master.antispamcloud.com 
> DMARC Forensic Report for macsrwe.com from IP 204.128.250.1
> To: Domain Admin 
> A message claiming to be from you has failed the published DMARC policy for 
> your domain.
> 
>  Sender Domain: macsrwe.com 
>  Sender IP Address: 204.128.250.1
>  Received date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 00:21:26 +0200
>  SPF Alignment: no
>  DKIM Alignment: no
>  DMARC Results: Reject
> 
> -- This is a copy of the headers that were received before the error was 
> detected.
> 
> X-DKIM-Failure: bodyhash_mismatch
> Received: from mailhost.omnigroup.com  
> ([204.128.250.1])
>   by mx264.antispamcloud.com  with 
> esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256)
>   (Exim 4.92)
>   (envelope-from  >)
>   id 1pnRnJ-000Gyx-IV
>   for p...@paradigm44.com ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 
> 00:21:25 +0200
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> (mailhost.omnigroup.com  [204.128.250.1])
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Re: M1 Macbook Pro won't update to Ventura 13.3.1

[Macs R We]

Just snake-check yout stuff. I wasted three hours of my life last night using 
that facility to download OS installers that didn't work for an old MBP. Seems 
like every one of them will assure you that "This OS is compatible with your 
Mac" even when it most definitely is not.

> On Apr 14, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful link! It's either this way or going into recovery mode and 
> force-reloading the OS.
> 
> Thanks!
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Going to
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683>
>> 
>> will get you to a page that will "backdoor" you into the App Store and show 
>> you current and old downloads of macOS. The Ventura available there right 
>> now is 13.3.1.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2023, at 3:00 PM, David Schwartz >> <mailto:da...@yesdavid.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Restarting can often unstick Software Update…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Carl Hoefs >>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a M1 Macbook Pro that is stuck at Ventura 13.1 and doesn't see the 
>>>> 13.3.1 update. 
>>>> 
>>>> The Apple menu, "System Settings..." shows "1 update", but when I click on 
>>>> that and go into Settings, it says I'm at 13.1 and "Your Mac is up to 
>>>> date".
>>>> 
>>>> Other M1 Macs in the lab are at Ventura 13.3.1. 
>>>> Is there a way to "force" an update?
>>>> 
>>>> -Carl
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Re: M1 Macbook Pro won't update to Ventura 13.3.1

[Macs R We]

Going to

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 


will get you to a page that will "backdoor" you into the App Store and show you 
current and old downloads of macOS. The Ventura available there right now is 
13.3.1.


> On Apr 14, 2023, at 3:00 PM, David Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> Restarting can often unstick Software Update…
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a M1 Macbook Pro that is stuck at Ventura 13.1 and doesn't see the 
>> 13.3.1 update. 
>> 
>> The Apple menu, "System Settings..." shows "1 update", but when I click on 
>> that and go into Settings, it says I'm at 13.1 and "Your Mac is up to date".
>> 
>> Other M1 Macs in the lab are at Ventura 13.3.1. 
>> Is there a way to "force" an update?
>> 
>> -Carl
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Re: Force a screen resolution on boot

[Macs R We]

Thanks to all for the suggestions The winner was "EasyRes," free from the App 
Store.

The "headless dongle" approach was interesting, but wouldn't work because this 
mini is in fact wired to an HDMI switch, it just doesn't "own the (common) 
screen" except in manual emergencies.

> On Dec 20, 2022, at 12:06 AM, Macs R We  wrote:
> 
> I have a headless Mini server. When I have to interact with it, I use Screen 
> Sharing from another Mac. 
> 
> If the Mini has rebooted in the meanwhile, it always comes up in "default" 
> resolution, where the windows all hodgepodge overlap one another. I have to 
> manually go to Display Preferences and choose the 1920 x 1080 resolution of 
> the screen used in conjunction with it. I have to do this every time.
> 
> I am looking for a way to get the Mini to assert this resolution at boot 
> time, or account login time, either would work.
> 
> I tried making an Applescript, but apparently you can't record things you do 
> in System Preferences.
> 
> Looking on the web, I found editing 
> /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist, which looked 
> great, except in recent releases it's SIP-protected and so can't be edited.
> 
> Does anybody have any suggestions?
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Force a screen resolution on boot

[Macs R We]

I have a headless Mini server. When I have to interact with it, I use Screen 
Sharing from another Mac. 

If the Mini has rebooted in the meanwhile, it always comes up in "default" 
resolution, where the windows all hodgepodge overlap one another. I have to 
manually go to Display Preferences and choose the 1920 x 1080 resolution of the 
screen used in conjunction with it. I have to do this every time.

I am looking for a way to get the Mini to assert this resolution at boot time, 
or account login time, either would work.

I tried making an Applescript, but apparently you can't record things you do in 
System Preferences.

Looking on the web, I found editing 
/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist, which looked 
great, except in recent releases it's SIP-protected and so can't be edited.

Does anybody have any suggestions?
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Ventura Terms and conditions

[Macs R We]

I was forced to upgrade to Ventura today as the only option to unbrick my Mini 
when yesterday's Monterey update bricked it hard.

Upon logging in, I was presented with a demand that I agree to new iCloud terms 
and conditions or forego its use.

The TOS were interminable and unreadable, as usual. What was unusual was no 
help screen or other offer of the form, "here's a brief summary of the changes 
we made." This triggered my paranoia.

I went to the web and asked it (in multiple, various ways) what was new or 
changed about the Ventura TOS. All the search engines were polluted with 
articles about an early bug in Ventura that forced people to re-agree to the 
TOS every time they rebooted, so if there were any describing the textual 
differences, they got swamped off the screen.

Has anybody seen an article summarizing what was changed in the iCloud TOS for 
Ventura?

-- 
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in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas.
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Re: Copy/paste utility

[Macs R We]

Thank you so much!

CopyClip didn't look attractive (being able to separate temporary clippings 
from permanent clippings is so much more UI efficient than pinning a couple 
dozen permanent clippings at the top of the temporary clippings list that 
you'll have to scroll past every time), but this article contained Copy 'Em for 
Mac, which I had not found in other articles. It looks like it does what I want 
at a very reasonable one-time price. I just bought it -- wish me luck!

> On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Charles Lindauer  <mailto:char...@lindauermacs.com>> wrote:
> 
> This might help, too.
> 
> https://techpp.com/2022/01/11/best-clipboard-managers-for-mac/ 
> <https://techpp.com/2022/01/11/best-clipboard-managers-for-mac/>
> 
> Charles Lindauer
> Lindauer Mac Consulting
> 707.479.6170
> char...@lindauermacs.com <mailto:char...@lindauermacs.com>
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 8:47 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I recently upgraded a High Sierra machine to Monterey, losing some 
>> third-party software in the process. One of the tools I used every day was 
>> called PTH Pasteboard.
>> 
>> PTH Pasteboard was a simple copy/paste manager. The features I used most:
>> 
>> 1) It would keep a long (~200 slots?) pushdown list of any of the things I 
>> copied with Mac copy/paste, regardless of whether they were text, formatted, 
>> images, or whatever. Anything MacOS let you copy and paste, PTH Pasteboard 
>> would preserve for you.
>> 
>> 2) It could also maintain one or more (I only ever needed one) lists of 
>> "permanent" pastes, such as phrases or images one used often. Unlike the 
>> main buffer, you could create these on demand and delete them individually.
>> 
>> 3) Clicking on a menu bar icon dropped down both these lists, and you could 
>> click among them as you wished.
>> 
>> I'd like to find a replacement for this tool, for which there is no Monterey 
>> version. The original programmers now offer an extremely baroque and 
>> function-bloated "suite" of tools for a subscription price that I consider 
>> too stiff for the functions I would use. I've found a couple other tools, 
>> but they all lack important features (e.g., one of them is text only, not 
>> even formatted text, and forget images).
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a largely similar utility they could suggest?
>> 
>> 
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Copy/paste utility

[Macs R We]

I recently upgraded a High Sierra machine to Monterey, losing some third-party 
software in the process. One of the tools I used every day was called PTH 
Pasteboard.

PTH Pasteboard was a simple copy/paste manager. The features I used most:

1) It would keep a long (~200 slots?) pushdown list of any of the things I 
copied with Mac copy/paste, regardless of whether they were text, formatted, 
images, or whatever. Anything MacOS let you copy and paste, PTH Pasteboard 
would preserve for you.

2) It could also maintain one or more (I only ever needed one) lists of 
"permanent" pastes, such as phrases or images one used often. Unlike the main 
buffer, you could create these on demand and delete them individually.

3) Clicking on a menu bar icon dropped down both these lists, and you could 
click among them as you wished.

I'd like to find a replacement for this tool, for which there is no Monterey 
version. The original programmers now offer an extremely baroque and 
function-bloated "suite" of tools for a subscription price that I consider too 
stiff for the functions I would use. I've found a couple other tools, but they 
all lack important features (e.g., one of them is text only, not even formatted 
text, and forget images).

Does anyone know of a largely similar utility they could suggest?


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Re: Time Capsule woes...

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If it's in your keychain it shows up as the name of the TC (most commonly 
"YourName's Time Capsule") with a Kind of "AirPort base station password."
It wouldn't be in the keychain of other devices that just backup to it, unless 
they had actually used Airport Utility against the unit… 
or unless you chose to use the same password for disk access and admin access.

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much for the reply.
> 
> What would be the name of that password ?
> It's probably in keychain, right ?
> Could it be on a different machine that backs up to that TC ?
> 
> Jean-Christophe 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 5:57, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> It appears that everything in this message boils down to one issue: "I don't 
>> know the administrative password to my Time Capsule."
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest in this case is to look for a repository that 
>> may still have a cached copy of it from further back in time, such as an old 
>> Mac you haven't used in a while, or an iPhone. Otherwise, you will need to 
>> do the hardware reset to get access back, which I believe erases all your 
>> backups.
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 5:17 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had to change of wifi router to use ipv6 and now something weird is 
>>> happening...
>>> 
>>> I only have 2 passwords in KeyChain related to the TC:
>>> - [name of TC]._afpovertcp._tcp.local.
>>> → that one is also used to connect the TC in Finder, and it works
>>> 
>>> - Time Machine
>>> 
>>> Through Ethernet, TC backups seem to work without asking for a PW.
>>> 
>>> Now, when I try to access my TC in AirPort Utility directly through 
>>> Ethernet, I click on the TC and for some reason (never happened before as 
>>> far as I remember) it asks for a password.
>>> 
>>> And, regardless of the pw I enter, none works.
>>> 
>>> I seem to need to access my TC through APU to change its settings because I 
>>> still want to use it as a TC for backups, but not with Ethernet (we have a 
>>> number of machines that back up there).
>>> 
>>> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/256405/is-it-possible-to-use-an-apple-time-capsule-just-as-a-network-attached-backup-dr#265394
>>> 
>>> I have no idea how to solve that.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: Time Capsule woes...

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It appears that everything in this message boils down to one issue: "I don't 
know the administrative password to my Time Capsule."

The only thing I can suggest in this case is to look for a repository that may 
still have a cached copy of it from further back in time, such as an old Mac 
you haven't used in a while, or an iPhone. Otherwise, you will need to do the 
hardware reset to get access back, which I believe erases all your backups.

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 5:17 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had to change of wifi router to use ipv6 and now something weird is 
> happening...
> 
> I only have 2 passwords in KeyChain related to the TC:
> - [name of TC]._afpovertcp._tcp.local.
>  → that one is also used to connect the TC in Finder, and it works
> 
> - Time Machine
> 
> Through Ethernet, TC backups seem to work without asking for a PW.
> 
> Now, when I try to access my TC in AirPort Utility directly through Ethernet, 
> I click on the TC and for some reason (never happened before as far as I 
> remember) it asks for a password.
> 
> And, regardless of the pw I enter, none works.
> 
> I seem to need to access my TC through APU to change its settings because I 
> still want to use it as a TC for backups, but not with Ethernet (we have a 
> number of machines that back up there).
> 
> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/256405/is-it-possible-to-use-an-apple-time-capsule-just-as-a-network-attached-backup-dr#265394
> 
> I have no idea how to solve that.
> 
> -- 
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> https://mac4translators.blogspot.com
> https://sr.ht/~brandelune/omegat-as-a-book/
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Re: Montery & Background Pictures

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Why do't you just establish your personal color files in a personal folder, and 
set the Desktop preference to use that folder instead of the system solid 
colors folder? If you want the system ones to appear too, it's a lot easier 
just to copy the system color files into your own folder rather than the other 
way around.

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 4:45 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
> 
> I have a set of solid colours that I use for screen backgrounds.  In the past 
> when transferring to a new machine it was simple to move them over and place 
> them in the Library/Desktop Pictures/Solid Colors folder.
> 
> Probably for security reasons this appears to no longer be possible as that 
> folder has been moved to System/library/Desktop Pictures/Solid Colors   There 
> may be two possible options:
> 
> 1.  Use command line and (probably) sudo to move them.  Although I have used 
> CLI I’m not familiar with the commands sufficiently to be sure of what I am 
> doing unless someone could give me a copy/paster terminal command to move the 
> individual files.
> 
> 2.  To use the custom color section in System Prefs.  To do this I need to 
> know the RGB values of the current solid colours of the .png files and to be 
> able to use the standard colour picker to match them in the Monterey system 
> prefs. Unfortunately I can’t see any way of getting the colour picker to 
> display the RGB values for any of the files.  
> 
> Can anyone offer any help/ideas?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Chris
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Re: [amugtalk] Splitting screens

[Macs R We]

Well that was insightful.

The behavior seems to be connected with the option, "Displays have separate 
Spaces." I guess it makes sense that OS X might have some indigestion figuring 
out how to split half a page onto "Desktop 2" and the other half onto "Desktop 
7."

When I turned it off, I was able to split a window between two displays, mostly 
(if I dragged more than about half of it onto the lower display, it snapped 
entirely to that display, but I could drag it back upwards and get it to 
stick). But I couldn't grow it to encompass more than one display, no matter 
what I did, which I can achieve trivially under Windows (on the Mac).

But in that mode, the machine was operationally lobotomized. When you flip to a 
different desktop on one display to double-check a piece of data, the data you 
needed to compare it to on the lower display flips away from you. Maybe I'm 
just too used to working in the "independent displays" mode, but that was a 
non-starter for me, so I won't be using it.

But thanks for clearing up my question.



> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Robert Zusman  wrote:
> 
> I suspect that may have something to do with it.
> My Mojave system splits windows just fine (the left monitor stops just after 
> the “send mail” button):
> 
> -RZ
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I'm using "multiple Desktops" in Mission Control, which superseded the 
>> original Spaces.
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Robert Zusman >> <mailto:rzus...@amug.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you using “Spaces?”
>>> 
>>> -RZ
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Macs R We >>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I run a two-display system on my bench, with one display (wall mount) 
>>>> positioned over the other (laptop).
>>>> 
>>>> When I was running Windows recently in Parallels (which picks up that 
>>>> there are two screens and uses them), I noticed that if I dragged a screen 
>>>> halfway between the two displays, it stayed there just fine, split between 
>>>> displays. Or, I could grow a screen to encompass both displays, giving me 
>>>> stuff like extra-long browser windows or galley copies.
>>>> 
>>>> It triggered a long-ago memory of being able to do exactly this on the 
>>>> Mac, in the classic OS. But I can't do it today. 
>>>> 
>>>> If I try to drag a window halfway between two monitors, it will show a 
>>>> "ghost" copy of the bottom of the window on the lower screen until I 
>>>> release the window, then only the upper half of the window will show, on 
>>>> the upper screen. (If the displays are arranged side-by-side, a similar 
>>>> thing happens, with the partial window available only on the leftmost 
>>>> screen.)
>>>> 
>>>> This has resulted numerous times in a "lost window" syndrome, where I move 
>>>> a window slightly to the left or right, but inadvertently manage to 
>>>> fat-finger it upwards as well. Suddenly the whole window vanishes, save 
>>>> for a sliver on the upper screen that is near invisible, hidden by the 
>>>> Dock, or whatever. Where did my window go? Mission Control shows it as 
>>>> still existing, but it disappears again when I click on it. Maddening.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, my question is, is there a setting I am overlooking somewhere on 
>>>> the Mac that would allow the old split-display rendering? Obviously, there 
>>>> is no technical reason it can't be done under OS X, because WIndows does 
>>>> it running under Parallels under OS X.
>>>> 
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Splitting screens

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I run a two-display system on my bench, with one display (wall mount) 
positioned over the other (laptop).

When I was running Windows recently in Parallels (which picks up that there are 
two screens and uses them), I noticed that if I dragged a screen halfway 
between the two displays, it stayed there just fine, split between displays. 
Or, I could grow a screen to encompass both displays, giving me stuff like 
extra-long browser windows or galley copies.

It triggered a long-ago memory of being able to do exactly this on the Mac, in 
the classic OS. But I can't do it today. 

If I try to drag a window halfway between two monitors, it will show a "ghost" 
copy of the bottom of the window on the lower screen until I release the 
window, then only the upper half of the window will show, on the upper screen. 
(If the displays are arranged side-by-side, a similar thing happens, with the 
partial window available only on the leftmost screen.)

This has resulted numerous times in a "lost window" syndrome, where I move a 
window slightly to the left or right, but inadvertently manage to fat-finger it 
upwards as well. Suddenly the whole window vanishes, save for a sliver on the 
upper screen that is near invisible, hidden by the Dock, or whatever. Where did 
my window go? Mission Control shows it as still existing, but it disappears 
again when I click on it. Maddening.

Anyway, my question is, is there a setting I am overlooking somewhere on the 
Mac that would allow the old split-display rendering? Obviously, there is no 
technical reason it can't be done under OS X, because WIndows does it running 
under Parallels under OS X.

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Re: Creating 2 independent wifi channels with Time Capsule

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Different Time Capsules have different capabilities. I'd have to see the 
screens as you have them set up. (If you have an icloud.com account, you can 
send them to me directly at macsrwe@(the same) to evade email attachment 
limits).

I think the syndrome you describe can be explained by your having created a 
guest network that goes nowhere, such that when you attach to it, you're 
suddely not on any working network. You can finesse this by cabling to your TM 
as you are trying to configure it, and adjusting your service order in Networks 
such that your cable has a higher priority than your WiFi. At least then you 
will not get kicked off the network every time you configure the WiFi wrong. 
You can use your phone or something to check if the guest network works or not, 
while avoiding having your Mac disconnect.

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m trying to create 2 different wifi channels from my Time Capsule unit, one 
> that would be time limited and not the other.
> 
> When I use Airport Utility > Wireless > Create a wireless network, and 
> connect to that network, Airport Utility tells me that my Time Capsule device 
> has disappeared from the network. When I connect to the first network again, 
> the device is back.
> 
> So, I’ve killed that second channel and instead created a "guest network » 
> but that one can’t seem to be time limited.
> 
> I’m kind of stuck.
> 
> Any idea how to best way to achieve what I want ?
> 
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Re: ARD alternate VNC server software

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The same app serves as both client and server in that it can be used in either 
direction.

The way "both ends" apps work is that when you set them up for "unattended 
access" on the server side (which means creating a private password), they 
start up when your Mac starts up and call into a central server with a 
permanent unique ID (which they show you when you set them up). You type this 
ID into the client at your end, it calls into the central server, communicates 
with your server machine, which asks you for your password, and you get in. 
These apps don't require port forwarding because the connection handshake is 
done in the developer's server, not via direct Internet protocols. Since "both 
sides call out" to the central server, no holes need to be poked in the 
router's NAT table.


> On Aug 26, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting! By saying it does a "call out from both ends" you mean it's not 
> just a client? 
> 
> In Sys Prefs --> Sharing, I will need to uncheck "Remote Management" on my 
> target machine (the one I want to remote desktop into), and then port 5900 
> will be closed. How will AnyDesk interact with the host? Is there software to 
> be installed on both ends?
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2021, at 3:06 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> I've settled on AnyDesk for screen sharing. It's a "call out from both ends" 
>> service, so no port opening or forwarding is needed.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My workplace is cracking down on access to port 5900 (VNC), so I can't use 
>>> Apple Remote Desktop anymore. ARD has to operate on port 5900, and can't be 
>>> changed to use another port. 
>>> 
>>> Has anyone set up a Mac with alternate VNC server software? I tried X2go 
>>> but I can't get it working.
>>> 
>>> -Carl
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Re: ARD alternate VNC server software

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I've settled on AnyDesk for screen sharing. It's a "call out from both ends" 
service, so no port opening or forwarding is needed.

> On Aug 26, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> My workplace is cracking down on access to port 5900 (VNC), so I can't use 
> Apple Remote Desktop anymore. ARD has to operate on port 5900, and can't be 
> changed to use another port. 
> 
> Has anyone set up a Mac with alternate VNC server software? I tried X2go but 
> I can't get it working.
> 
> -Carl
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Re: Log for access to Time Capsule ?

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Different models of TC have different capabilities. I don't think I've seen 
this one in any of them.
If it was possible on an OS prior to Big Sur, I can't see any reason why it 
wouldn't be possible now.
But as I say, I don't remember TCs offering any logging feature, period.

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a way to have IP and time logs for the devices that connect 
> to my Time Capsule router.
> 
> Is that possible on Big Sur ?
> 
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Default mail sorting?

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OK, here's a puzzling one.

One of my clients (hardly a power user) complained to me recently that a mail 
notification shows up, then she goes to her mailbox, and it just isn't there. 
It didn't take me long to discover that her confusion was arising from A) her 
keeping mail in her inbox all the way back to 2008, and B) her mailbox display 
being sorted by sender name instead of date received. So I changed her mailbox 
sort — simple fix.

Then she asked me to create a couple mailboxes to store mail of different 
types. Some were physical mailboxes on iCloud (she wanted to move that mail by 
hand and have it available on all her devices), some were smart mailboxes on 
that Mac (she wanted to locate all mail from a certain person). In the process 
of creating all these mailboxes, I discovered that every single one of them 
defaulted to sorting by sender name!

Now, I've never seen this before. I've created hundreds of mailboxes for myself 
and others, and in all cases they started out sorted by date received. It never 
even occurred to me that Mail would default to any other way. Yet this was 100% 
consistent.

So my first thought was, there must be some Preference set wonky. Yet I 
couldn't find a preference in Mail that had anythig to do with the default 
sorting of mailboxes.

Anybody know where this skeleton is hidden?

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HP the Scrivener

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Some of y'all know how I feel about HP printers. Today was just another brick 
in the wall.

I had set up a brand-new HP printer for a client a couple weeks ago. It had no 
display and no visible controls. It had hidden colored lights that occasionally 
glowed in various preschool shapes from under the smooth, white, featureless 
plastic surface. Some of them turned out to be pressable, some of them not. 
There was no manual. You had to guess what the colors and shapes (things like 
X, O, box, and !) meant and/or did. The whole human interface was like a 2001 
Space Odyssey nightmare crapshoot. But it's damning vice turned out to be that 
it couldn't print more than one page (of any stock) in a row without shredding 
paper. Eventually, the client took it back and replaced it, as I recommended. 
However she replaced it with another HP, as I recommended against. (The shop 
carried nothing but HP and Dell.)

So today, I go out again to configure the new HP, and encounter a fascinating 
style of brain damage I have never before seen.

This unit has a display touch panel, a much better interface. I push where I 
have to push to start the wireless configuration process. It throws up a bunch 
of SSIDs on the screen, and asks me which one of them I want to connect to. It 
shows me about six SSIDs, but none of them are my client's. My client lives in 
a new neighborhood prewired with CenturyLink fiber, so all of his neighbors 
have SSIDs it look like CenturyLink, as he does himself. Well, I'm seeing 
for five of these iDs that obviously belong to his neighbors, but I'm not 
seeing his. I hit the refresh button, and I see more SSIDs, including some 
non-CL hotspots, but still not his. Yet I know his is up and working, because 
my iPhone and my clients equipment are all using it. And of course, he has the 
same router hardware as all of his neighbors, because it came with the new home.

I log into his router. He has both a 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz AP with the same name, 
so it's not that the printer has only the wrong band radio card. The SSID is 
not set to hidden, and it shows up on my iPhone, I change the channel numbers 
on both, no improvement. I narrow them both down to a basic 20 MHz bandwidth, 
no improvement. I change the SSID name to something entirely different, no 
improvement (I change it back).

Perhaps the printer's radio is swamped by the strong signal from an AP that is 
within a couple feet of it? I carry the printer to the other side of the house 
to see if that helps. No improvement. I turn on the hotspot on my iPhone. It 
shows up on the printer immediately.

Finally I give up, find a long enough ethernet cable, and cable the damn thing 
directly to the modem. 

Not only do I not understand this problem, I have absolutely no idea how it 
could possibly be made to happen in an out-of-the-box product. But obviously, 
if anyone can do it, HP can!



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Re: Database updates through Catalina

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Wow, you're right. It's really hard for me to believe that by sheer 
happenstance, I have never (except once) worked on an iMac model newer than 
2012 (according to everymac.com). But I suppose it's not entirely improbable, 
because it's the old ones that need the most help.  I don't recall optical 
drives in most of the units I have worked on, but then again I had no reason to 
pay any attention to them because they were never the issue.

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:53 PM, David Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think they make the thin-edge profile any more, amirite? All the 
>> other ones are eight screws on the display panel, then three chintzy 
>> connectors behind the display where you have to have the fingers of ET to 
>> connect and disconnect them without lifting the panel too high.
> 
> Apple abandoned the thick edged magnetic-held glass over screw-connected 
> thick LCD panel after the Mid-2011 design. They remained with thin-edge, 
> bubble-back and taped-together to this very day through the 27” 5k 2020 
> model. 
> 
> Anything you see with a built-in optical drive, thick sides, and screws 
> holding the panel is _at least_ ten years old.
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Re: Database updates through Catalina

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It's the thin-edge model, you're right. That's the only one I ever came across 
that had foam tape, and I've only had one of those ever come into the shop. I 
don't think they make the thin-edge profile any more, amirite? All the other 
ones are eight screws on the display panel, then three chintzy connectors 
behind the display where you have to have the fingers of ET to connect and 
disconnect them without lifting the panel too high.

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:18 PM, David Schwartz  <mailto:da...@yesdavid.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Macs R We  <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> My understanding was that the foam tape existed only on a brief run of 
>> "low-end" models where a "display frame" included chunks of the logic, and 
>> was no longer used.
> 
> I’ve done dozens of post-mid2011 21.5” an 27” iMacs (thin edges, no optical 
> drive) and all of them used double-sided tape to connect the fused glass 
> display to the iMac’s aluminum frame.
> 
> They open as shown here:
> https://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/imac_21inch_late_2013_hdd/ 
> <https://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/imac_21inch_late_2013_hdd/>
> 
> 
>> Of all the iMacs I've had to do surgery on, only one had the foam tape...
> 
> 
> We’re not discussing a difference between “foam tape” and double-sided tape 
> without foam in between its adhesive sides, are we?
> 
> Because if the display is not attached to the aluminum frame with double 
> sided VHB style tape, how does the display keep from falling off? There are 
> not screws or brackets to hold it in place.
> 
> -david
> 
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Re: Database updates through Catalina

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After reading all the responses, I think I'm going to scrap the downgrade 
option and just go with the SSD option, as much as I hate it. Going through 
iCloud for stuff is not a great option given my rural Internet speeds, and he 
may not have the storage there anyway.

I'll also tell him once more to stop upgrading his machine if he doesn't want 
to eat additional unnecessary repair bills.

Thanks, all.

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Carl Hoefs  wrote:
> 
> From https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022: 
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022:>
> 
> 
> The only way to downgrade a Photos Library from Photos 4.0 Mojave to Photos 
> 2.0 Sierra would be to use iCloud Photos Library. 
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs > <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oops, I just checked, and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early version 
>> of the database. It did get updated often going to Catalina, though.
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs >> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> High Sierra ran iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database 
>>> formats are totally incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. 
>>> And I know that somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a 
>>> forced upgrade of the mailboxes. 
>>> 
>>> So my guess is that your undertaking would be an exercise in futility...
>>> 
>>> (And ditto your frustration with the iMac's gossamer-thin screen connection 
>>> wires: What were they thinking?)
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Macs R We >>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a client running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. 
>>>> There's no reason he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus 
>>>> 123, for heaven's sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim of 
>>>> Apple's antisocial robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! Upgrade!!!" 
>>>> 
>>>> His machine is now crawling.
>>>> 
>>>> My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, wiping it, 
>>>> install  fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files back in. But I'm 
>>>> unsure whether there have been format changes between HS and Catalina in 
>>>> personal databases such as Photos, Address Book, mailboxes, and the like 
>>>> that would queer this… or whether File Migration might just arbitrarily 
>>>> nix the importation out of principle. Not to mention knowing that the 
>>>> System Settings category (WiFi networks, Apple IDs, Sharing, 
>>>> Accessibility, etc.) would probably be un-migratable in toto, but that's 
>>>> less important as it can be addressed manually.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's tried?
>>>> 
>>>> The alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone it 
>>>> over, which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery time 
>>>> (I hate working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the fragile display 
>>>> screen connectors to do the simplest things), pus the cost of a new TB 
>>>> drive.
>>>> 
>>>> (Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to upgrade their 
>>>> OSes.)
>>>> 
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Re: Database updates through Catalina

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> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:50 PM, David Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> The “modern” Intel iMac (2012 and later) only has two connectors, and they’re 
> not all that fragile. But it _is_ a bitch to cut through the double-sided 
> foam tape, and it’s a pressure to pop the display back into place with new 
> sticky tape in place.
> 
> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2638+Display+Replacement/28779
>  
> 
Huh. My understanding was that the foam tape existed only on a brief run of 
"low-end" models where a "display frame" included chunks of the logic, and was 
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Re: Database updates through Catalina

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On this subject only — Photos long predates High Sierra (2015, Yosemite). I run 
HS on my main machine, I still run iPhotos despite at lest two OS upgrades, and 
I continually attract rafts of * from peers about running obsolete software. 

Initially, I declined to switch to Photos until it had at least the editing 
capabilities that iPhotos had (the initial release was sorely lacking). It's 
probably way better now, but I just haven't taken the time to switch, because 
iPhotos continues to run excellently; the only diminution is that it lost the 
ability to erase photos from my tethered iPhone as it used to be able to do, 
and I now have to do that by hand.

And as for "totally incompatible" databases, way to the contrary — when you 
first launch Photos, it creates a database that is actually a hard-linked file 
structure into the existing iPhoto database, so that the photos "exist in two 
places at once" without taking up double the storage, and the old one can be 
deleted without losing anything. To my knowledge, that mechanism has never been 
removed from Photos; if I launched it today for the first time, it would still 
"adopt" my iPhotos database that way.

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs  wrote:
> 
> Oops, I just checked, and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early version of 
> the database. It did get updated often going to Catalina, though.
> 
> -Carl
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs > <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> High Sierra ran iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database formats 
>> are totally incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. And I know 
>> that somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a forced upgrade 
>> of the mailboxes. 
>> 
>> So my guess is that your undertaking would be an exercise in futility...
>> 
>> (And ditto your frustration with the iMac's gossamer-thin screen connection 
>> wires: What were they thinking?)
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Macs R We >> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a client running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. 
>>> There's no reason he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus 123, 
>>> for heaven's sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim of 
>>> Apple's antisocial robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! Upgrade!!!" 
>>> 
>>> His machine is now crawling.
>>> 
>>> My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, wiping it, 
>>> install  fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files back in. But I'm 
>>> unsure whether there have been format changes between HS and Catalina in 
>>> personal databases such as Photos, Address Book, mailboxes, and the like 
>>> that would queer this… or whether File Migration might just arbitrarily nix 
>>> the importation out of principle. Not to mention knowing that the System 
>>> Settings category (WiFi networks, Apple IDs, Sharing, Accessibility, etc.) 
>>> would probably be un-migratable in toto, but that's less important as it 
>>> can be addressed manually.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's tried?
>>> 
>>> The alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone it over, 
>>> which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery time (I hate 
>>> working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the fragile display screen 
>>> connectors to do the simplest things), pus the cost of a new TB drive.
>>> 
>>> (Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to upgrade their 
>>> OSes.)
>>> 
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>>> in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas.
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Database updates through Catalina

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I have a client running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. There's no 
reason he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus 123, for heaven's 
sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim of Apple's antisocial 
robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! Upgrade!!!" 

His machine is now crawling.

My preference would be to clone his machine to an external, wiping it, install  
fresh High Sierra, and then migrate his files back in. But I'm unsure whether 
there have been format changes between HS and Catalina in personal databases 
such as Photos, Address Book, mailboxes, and the like that would queer this… or 
whether File Migration might just arbitrarily nix the importation out of 
principle. Not to mention knowing that the System Settings category (WiFi 
networks, Apple IDs, Sharing, Accessibility, etc.) would probably be 
un-migratable in toto, but that's less important as it can be addressed 
manually.

Can anyone say if this reverse-migration is doomed before it's tried?

The alternative would be to swap out his HDD with an SSD and clone it over, 
which would be a more costly job in terms of hardware fiddlery time (I hate 
working on iMacs, having to disconnect all the fragile display screen 
connectors to do the simplest things), pus the cost of a new TB drive.

(Damn Apple's irresponsible pressure on typical consumers to upgrade their 
OSes.)

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Re: Problems with Big Sur

[Macs R We]

Printer manufacturers have begin suggesting 

 that you use their proprietary iDevice applications to scan from their 
printers. That's how badly Apple has jettisoned macOS compatibility with 
printers these days.

> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, I was able to circumvent the iPhone/Finder issue. I found a website 
> that shows you how to reinstall iTunes on Big Sur! It works! Here's hoping 
> that Monterey resolves the underlying issue and doesn't break even more 
> stuff...
> 
> Now onto another Bug Sur (sic) problem: I can print to but no longer scan 
> from any of my (HP/Canon) All-in-one print/copy/scan printers! The OEM 
> software hangs on Big Sur, and apps like Preview and Image Capture time out 
> and claim there was a "connection failure with the device".
> 
> In my google search frenzy I noticed there is an app called VueScan that 
> purports to overcome any/all issues with scanning on macOS. Before I plunk 
> down $20 on it, has anyone used it? Is there another solution?
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 11:05 AM, David Schwartz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
 
 I've never synced my iPhone from another account
>>> 
>>> _Is_ there another account logged in?
>>> ___
>> 
>> No, I don't have any other user accounts.
>> 
>> 11:06  up 0 days, 06:42, 7 users, load averages: 144.43 73.41 92.82
>> USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
>> carl console  -26Jun21 1day  -
>> carl s000 -26Jun21 1day  -zsh  ??
>> /bin/zsh  
>> carl s001 -26Jun21 1day  -zsh  ??
>> /bin/zsh  
>> carl s002 -10:18   - w
>> carl s003 -26Jun21 1day  -zsh FBu  ??
>> /bin/zsh  
>> carl s005 -26Jun21 1day  -zsh FBu  ??
>> /bin/zsh  
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
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Re: Messages issue - launches terminall??

[Macs R We]

I'm thinking maybe the app bundle got damaged?

If you have another Mac on the same release, try copying Messages.app from the 
good one.

> On May 20, 2021, at 5:42 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> This is a new one - I've never seen it before and really have no idea what to 
> do with it.
> 
> This happens regularly now: After a restart, I launch Messages. It opens, and 
> Terminal opens also and I get a string of messages (below).
> 
> I can use Messages to send/recieve, but if I try to quit Terminal, it tells 
> me that it will quit the process in the window and Messages exits also 
> (That's not the problem - I get that Messages is being run in the Terminal 
> task). 
> 
> Is this an issue? I don't even know what to make of this.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Terminal messages:
> 
> /System/Applications/Messages.app/Contents/MacOS/Messages ; exit;
> jeff@office ~ % /System/Applications/Messages.app/Contents/MacOS/Messages ; 
> exit;
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.087 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.087 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.087 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.087 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.264 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.264 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.264 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.264 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.288 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.289 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.289 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.289 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.291 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.291 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.291 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:13.291 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.458 Messages[93626:1141204] IMSendProgress: 
> 0x7fcec4037be0 (delegate: 0x7fcec325fc80, context: 0x7fcec0147400) is 
> updating sending items from (null) to {
> }. (removed? 0, inserted? 0, forced? 1, hasSendingMessages? 0)
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.544 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.544 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.544 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.544 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.546 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.546 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This will be a hard-assert soon, please update your call 
> site.
> 2021-05-20 08:36:14.546 Messages[93626:1141204] Invalid absolute dimension, 
> must be > 0.0. NOTE: This

Re: regular OS crashes...

[Macs R We]

Not definitive, but it looks like a problem with the APFS structures. 

I'd boot back to recovery mode, then run Disk Utility repair over the root 
drive partition.

> On May 19, 2021, at 11:20 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> What I did for the moment is start in recovery mode, then restart, clear the 
> pram thing, and run Apple diagnostics.
> 
> Hoping this will just go away...
> 
> Jean-Christophe 
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 9:30, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I seem to remember that there was a thread about that in the not so distant 
>> past.
>> 
>> I'd like a reminder of what are the basic things I need to check for a quick 
>> diagnosis...
>> 
>> This morning crash log is this:
>> 
>> panic(cpu 0 caller 0xff8010ac2838): nvme: "Fatal error occurred. 
>> CSTS=0x3 US[1]=0x0 US[0]=0x66 VID=0x144d DID=0xa808
>> . FW 
>> Revision=1B2QEXE7\n"@/System/Volumes/Data/SWE/macOS/BuildRoots/2288acc43c/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/IONVMeFamily/IONVMeFamily-557.100.13/Common/IONVMeController.cpp:5499
>> Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address
>> 0xffa072303960 : 0xff800e28e02d 
>> 0xffa0723039b0 : 0xff800e3d48e3 
>> 0xffa0723039f0 : 0xff800e3c4eda 
>> 0xffa072303a40 : 0xff800e232a2f 
>> 0xffa072303a60 : 0xff800e28d84d 
>> 0xffa072303b80 : 0xff800e28db43 
>> 0xffa072303bf0 : 0xff800ea9d68a 
>> 0xffa072303c60 : 0xff8010ac2838 
>> 0xffa072303c80 : 0xff8010aa7433 
>> 0xffa072303de0 : 0xff800e9f54f5 
>> 0xffa072303e50 : 0xff800e9f53f6 
>> 0xffa072303e80 : 0xff800e2d44b5 
>> 0xffa072303ef0 : 0xff800e2d5424 
>> 0xffa072303fa0 : 0xff800e23213e 
>> Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
>>
>> com.apple.iokit.IONVMeFamily(2.1)[2A44DC48-B629-386C-985E-3BE03CCA48F2]@0xff8010aa->0xff8010ac9fff
>>   dependency: 
>> com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM(2.1)[C6EE02AA-79D2-3EF8-83A6-9E52549E16D9]@0xff800f6fe000->0xff800f707fff
>>   dependency: 
>> com.apple.driver.AppleMobileFileIntegrity(1.0.5)[9B4B41D7-B68F-33D5-80A4-2C4C4A649F6D]@0xff800f8b8000->0xff800f8cdfff
>>   dependency: 
>> com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.9)[B99B3B05-71B8-3178-8C27-E0A0ACA9F16E]@0xff8010d5f000->0xff8010d87fff
>>   dependency: 
>> com.apple.iokit.IOReportFamily(47)[3F7604AB-EA65-3904-A1F4-AFEB25D288A7]@0xff8010d96000->0xff8010d98fff
>>   dependency: 
>> com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(2.1)[58EA4506-4E6B-3AC3-A70D-ED35EE2C381D]@0xff8010e62000->0xff8010e73fff
>> 
>> Process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
>> 
>> Mac OS version:
>> 20E241
>> 
>> Kernel version:
>> Darwin Kernel Version 20.4.0: Thu Apr 22 21:46:47 PDT 2021; 
>> root:xnu-7195.101.2~1/RELEASE_X86_64
>> Kernel UUID: 068F99A3-1DB3-31C0-87D5-09942F122BB6
>> KernelCache slide: 0x0e00
>> KernelCache base:  0xff800e20
>> Kernel slide:  0x0e01
>> Kernel text base:  0xff800e21
>> __HIB  text base: 0xff800e10
>> System model name: MacBookPro11,4 (Mac-06F11FD93F0323C5)
>> System shutdown begun: NO
>> Panic diags file available: YES (0x0)
>> Hibernation exit count: 5
>> 
>> System uptime in nanoseconds: 5476681362297
>> Last Sleep:   absolute   base_tsc  base_nano
>> Uptime  : 0x04fb23a5af5b
>> Sleep   : 0x04570e4b8a79 0x00011ce62ad4 0x0451f358595d
>> Wake: 0x045738a1b6ef 0x00011c81191a 0x04571ea64dcd
>> last started kext at 457635509161: @filesystems.afpfs11.3 (addr 
>> 0xff7fa8183000, size 327680)
>> loaded kexts:
>> org.virtualbox.kext.VBoxNetAdp   6.1.22
>> org.virtualbox.kext.VBoxNetFlt   6.1.22
>> org.virtualbox.kext.VBoxUSB  6.1.22
>> org.virtualbox.kext.VBoxDrv  6.1.22
>> com.Cycling74.driver.Soundflower 2
>> @filesystems.afpfs   11.3
>> @nke.asp_tcp 8.2
>> @filesystems.autofs  3.0
>> @fileutil20.036.15
>>> AGPM122
>>> !APlatformEnabler   2.7.0d0
>>> X86PlatformShim 1.0.0
>>> AudioAUUC   1.70
>>> !AGraphicsDevicePolicy  6.2.9
>> @AGDCPluginDisplayMetrics6.2.9
>>> !AUpstreamUserClient3.6.8
>>> pmtelemetry 1
>> |IOUserEthernet  1.0.1
>>> usb.!UUserHCI   1
>> |IO!BSerialManager   8.0.4d18
>> @Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X 7.0.0
>>> !AHDAHardwareConfigDriver   283.15
>>> !AHV1
>>> !ADiskImages2   1
>>> !A!IHD5000Graphics  16.0.2
>>> AGDCBacklightControl6.2.9
>>> !AHDA   283.15
>>> ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin 1.0.0
>>> !ABacklight 180.3
>>> eficheck1
>>> !ACameraInterface   7.6.0
>>> !ALPC   3.1
>>> !ASMCLMU212
>>> !A!IFramebufferAzul 16.0.2
>>> !A!ISlowAdaptiveClocking4.0.0
>> |Broadcom!B20703USBTransport 8.0.4d18
>>> !AMuxControl6.2.9
>>> !AMCCSControl   1.14
>>> !AFIVRDriver4.1.0
>>> !AThunderboltIP 4.0.3
>>> !ATopCaseHIDEventDriver 4040.11
>>> !UTopCaseDriver 4040.11
>> |IO!BUSBDFU  8.0.4d18
>> |SCSITaskUserClient  4

Re: Repairing a user account

[Macs R We]

If, as you say, the source of the problem is not at all indicated by log 
activity, I would resolve myself to do a manual migration activity. In outline 
form, the steps would be as follows:

Make a folder in your home dir for saved mail; save every one of your "on my 
mac" mailboxes into it. If any of your mail accounts are still POP, do the same 
with the "live" (In, Sent, etc.) mailboxes for those accounts.

Copy out your keychain files, likewise.

Copy out the entire contents of your home folder to another drive.

Destroy the original user and his data entirely.

Recreate the user (making sure, if possible, to get the same Unix user number, 
which saves a lot of work)

After you have logged in, copy every folder back in EXCEPT the ~/Library 
folder. This is where your gremlin is, guaranteed.

Launch Mail, and import your saved mail. Stuff the keychain files back into 
your keychain dir and activate them. (You'll have to do a little do-si-do 
renaming to replace your login chain.)

You're going to lose a lot of "user convenience data" like cookies, app 
preferences, system preference settings, and the like, just as if you were on a 
new machine. But at least you'll still have your data.

I covered saving mail and keychain passwords, there are probably some other 
crucial user data in Library I didn't think of that other folks could add to 
this list. 

> On May 5, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for your help over the past few months with my mac freezing, 
> crashing, having applications crash and other miscellaneous crises.
> 
> After some more testing, I've narrowed this down to my user account. In other 
> words, when I create another user, log is as that, and work for a while, I've 
> never had any of these issues. I'm not 100% sure this is the case, but there 
> is a marked difference. 
> 
> Since I am the only user of this Mac, there is only the one account (now plus 
> the test account). Obviously, I don't want to create a second account and 
> delete this one - there is too much data, history, etc. in everything from 
> documents to cookies that I'd lose. 
> 
> So, I want to repair my user account. I don't have specific causes of the 
> crashes (the logs show different things each time). I am seeking suggestions 
> on what I can do to repair this account (and diagnose if needed), so I can 
> continue to use it.
> 
> Also, I may replace this Mac with a new one soon, and I will want to avoid 
> transferring a broken user to the new Mac.
> 
> FYI: iMac 21" Late 2015 running MacOS 11.3
> 
> Any help is much appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
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Re: Big Sur and screen sharing

[Macs R We]

I know for a fact that I have screen shared an iPad from a Mac, but it may have 
been from AnyDesk, and not Apple screen sharing.

Until recently, the operation was practically useless, because those Apple 
security restrictions would cause a message on the order of every 20 seconds 
nagging one side or the other to reaffirm that they wanted the sharing to 
continue, and 20 seconds isn't long enough to get much done. If you missed 
reaffirming even once, the session was gone and you would have to start all 
over again. From what I remember of recent operation, at least that insanity 
has gone away. 

I don't rightly remember whether I could control the iPad or not, but in such 
cases, even being able to see what the client is doing and what mistakes he's 
making still raise you head and shoulders over a blind phone session. 

> On Mar 5, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Bob Stern  wrote:
> 
> Also, I reviewed the documentation for Team Viewer and Any Desk.  Both say 
> they can view but not control an iOS client due to Apple security 
> restrictions.

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Re: Help with crash?

[Macs R We]

There's a free tool called Grand Perspective. If you've never seen the 
interface before, you'll think it is the most bizarre thing you've ever seen, 
but after you've used it just once you will wonder why no one ever did it 
before. I've had people find mail logs that had wildly grown out of control due 
to gmail bugs, dead copies of macOS that they forgot they had, and things like 
that. The huge files are glaringly obvious off the bat. I believe there is a 
mode where you can ask it to request the admin password from you and it will 
scan additional portions of the file system to the same effect. It's possible 
on that last detail that I'm thinking of DaisyDisk, another tool that does much 
the same task with a different interface, that is available for trial use.

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>> 
>> It sounds like you have two problems at once: your drive is over-full, and 
>> it's also going bad. It's quite possible that your panics are due to the OS 
>> not being able to access or write critical runtime information on some 
>> portion of the drive that it owns.
>> 
>> I can give you some ways to find large files you weren't aware you had and 
>> would be happy to delete, but it's not going to make your drive work better. 
>> When your drive gets this sick, contiuing to use it just accelerates the 
>> damage. Since it looks like you're going to need to buy a new drive anyway, 
>> I'd just buy a bigger one, hack the transfer, and be done with it.
>> 
> 
> Thank you for your help. You did guide me to the right places to find this.
> 
> It’s definitely time for a new drive, sadly. 
> 
> If you don’t mind offering ways to find some large files, I’d appreciate it. 
> I will need to clear space even after the new drive.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 11:56 AM Jeff Weinberger  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 3:47 PM Macs R We  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I can't give you great instructions because I don't have any panic logs 
>>>>> of my own so that I could tell you for sure where to find them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Open Console, click one by one on all the folders and subfolders in the 
>>>>> left-hand column (the system-y ones, at any rate, you can skip stuff like 
>>>>> Microsoft) looking in the center column for any that start with "panic" 
>>>>> and have the right date and time on them. I expect you'll find them 
>>>>> somewhere under either /Library/Logs or /var/log. Keep in mind that 
>>>>> folders that have subfolders also have logs directly inside them, so 
>>>>> don't miss clicking directly on them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you find an appropriate panic log, right-click on it, choose Reveal in 
>>>>> Finder, then copy it to a cloud-accessible location.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks. I've done a good bit of searching and there seems to be no "panic" 
>>>> log - only crash reports for individual daemons/tasks. The only 
>>>> information I can find that shows what was happening in the system at the 
>>>> time of the crash is what I posted in my initial email from system.log. 
>>>> 
>>>> For most of the crashes, the only entries in the crash reports seem to be 
>>>> from 'cloudd'  - and my iCloud syncing is not working well at all, so I 
>>>> suspect this is the cause. Some other things show up now and then (disk 
>>>> issues with an external drive that might be failing and once or twice, 
>>>> 'ScreenTimeAgent') but not consistenly. Thinking a fresh install of the OS 
>>>> might help. Or it's just all gone flaky. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Jeff Weinberger  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:49 PM Macs R We  wrote:
>>>>>>> Most direct thing to do is log into the account that doesn't crash, go 
>>>>>>> into Console, find the panic log from that crash, and make it available 
>>>>>>> somewhere where we can look at it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Happy to, but pardon my ignorance here. I posted messages from 

Re: Help with crash?

[Macs R We]

It sounds like you have two problems at once: your drive is over-full, and it's 
also going bad. It's quite possible that your panics are due to the OS not 
being able to access or write critical runtime information on some portion of 
the drive that it owns.

I can give you some ways to find large files you weren't aware you had and 
would be happy to delete, but it's not going to make your drive work better. 
When your drive gets this sick, contiuing to use it just accelerates the 
damage. Since it looks like you're going to need to buy a new drive anyway, I'd 
just buy a bigger one, hack the transfer, and be done with it.

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 11:56 AM Jeff Weinberger  <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 3:47 PM Macs R We  <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
> I can't give you great instructions because I don't have any panic logs of my 
> own so that I could tell you for sure where to find them.
> 
> Open Console, click one by one on all the folders and subfolders in the 
> left-hand column (the system-y ones, at any rate, you can skip stuff like 
> Microsoft) looking in the center column for any that start with "panic" and 
> have the right date and time on them. I expect you'll find them somewhere 
> under either /Library/Logs or /var/log. Keep in mind that folders that have 
> subfolders also have logs directly inside them, so don't miss clicking 
> directly on them.
> 
> If you find an appropriate panic log, right-click on it, choose Reveal in 
> Finder, then copy it to a cloud-accessible location.
> 
> Thanks. I've done a good bit of searching and there seems to be no "panic" 
> log - only crash reports for individual daemons/tasks. The only information I 
> can find that shows what was happening in the system at the time of the crash 
> is what I posted in my initial email from system.log. 
> 
> For most of the crashes, the only entries in the crash reports seem to be 
> from 'cloudd'  - and my iCloud syncing is not working well at all, so I 
> suspect this is the cause. Some other things show up now and then (disk 
> issues with an external drive that might be failing and once or twice, 
> 'ScreenTimeAgent') but not consistenly. Thinking a fresh install of the OS 
> might help. Or it's just all gone flaky. 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Jeff Weinberger > <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:49 PM Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> Most direct thing to do is log into the account that doesn't crash, go into 
>> Console, find the panic log from that crash, and make it available somewhere 
>> where we can look at it.
>> 
>> Happy to, but pardon my ignorance here. I posted messages from the system 
>> log, but don't know where to find the panic log. If you can help point me 
>> there, I'll post it .If it helps I'm on an iMac (late 2015) running 
>> MacOS11.1. Thank you!
>>  
>> 
>> I do like the technique of booting from a drive with a virgin OS on it.  I 
>> keep one of those, most people don't.
>> 
>> I don't, sadly. I"m hesitant to erase my internal drive because the data 
>> loss (even with time machine) would be tough, but if nothing else works
>>  
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Jeff Weinberger >> <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:17 PM Matt Penna >> <mailto:matthew.pe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Whenever I encounter such a problem, my first steps are to run Apple 
>>> Hardware Test (AHT), and if that shows no problems (it’s far from 
>>> foolproof), try a completely clean install of the OS to a blank drive. See 
>>> if you can get any clues from either of these steps.
>>> 
>>> If you need AHT for your Mac, you can find it for many different Mac models 
>>> here on GitHub:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest 
>>> <https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest>
>>> 
>>> Let us know how it goes.
>>> 
>>> You mentioned that occasionally your Mac refuses to start up. Can you 
>>> describe the crashes you’re seeing? Are you getting the gray screen with a 
>>> message that you need to restart your computer, or is it just a reboot with 
>>> no warning?
>>> 
>>> It actually crashes when I try to log in to my user account. It 

Re: Help with crash?

[Macs R We]

I can't give you great instructions because I don't have any panic logs of my 
own so that I could tell you for sure where to find them.

Open Console, click one by one on all the folders and subfolders in the 
left-hand column (the system-y ones, at any rate, you can skip stuff like 
Microsoft) looking in the center column for any that start with "panic" and 
have the right date and time on them. I expect you'll find them somewhere under 
either /Library/Logs or /var/log. Keep in mind that folders that have 
subfolders also have logs directly inside them, so don't miss clicking directly 
on them.

If you find an appropriate panic log, right-click on it, choose Reveal in 
Finder, then copy it to a cloud-accessible location.


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:49 PM Macs R We  <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
> Most direct thing to do is log into the account that doesn't crash, go into 
> Console, find the panic log from that crash, and make it available somewhere 
> where we can look at it.
> 
> Happy to, but pardon my ignorance here. I posted messages from the system 
> log, but don't know where to find the panic log. If you can help point me 
> there, I'll post it .If it helps I'm on an iMac (late 2015) running 
> MacOS11.1. Thank you!
>  
> 
> I do like the technique of booting from a drive with a virgin OS on it.  I 
> keep one of those, most people don't.
> 
> I don't, sadly. I"m hesitant to erase my internal drive because the data loss 
> (even with time machine) would be tough, but if nothing else works
>  
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Jeff Weinberger > <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:17 PM Matt Penna > <mailto:matthew.pe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Whenever I encounter such a problem, my first steps are to run Apple 
>> Hardware Test (AHT), and if that shows no problems (it’s far from 
>> foolproof), try a completely clean install of the OS to a blank drive. See 
>> if you can get any clues from either of these steps.
>> 
>> If you need AHT for your Mac, you can find it for many different Mac models 
>> here on GitHub:
>> 
>> https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest 
>> <https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest>
>> 
>> Let us know how it goes.
>> 
>> You mentioned that occasionally your Mac refuses to start up. Can you 
>> describe the crashes you’re seeing? Are you getting the gray screen with a 
>> message that you need to restart your computer, or is it just a reboot with 
>> no warning?
>> 
>> It actually crashes when I try to log in to my user account. It starts up 
>> slowly, but does start, then I log in and I get the grey screen that says I 
>> need to reboot.
>> 
>> I am able to log into an alternate user account, so I don't think it's 
>> hardware...but I'll give that a try.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> 
>>  Matt
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Jeff Weinberger >> <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your help with SIMBL I removed all traces I could find of it 
>>> and it no longer appears in logs, crash reports, 'find' commands, etc.
>>> 
>>> May I impose on your collective expertise to help diagnose the ongoing 
>>> crashes?
>>> 
>>> But the system crashes have not stopped. I have identified that it is the 
>>> user account (I am the only user of the system, so having my user account 
>>> is kind of important). I only have two use accounts: 1) mine and 2) a test 
>>> account just in case there's a problem with mine - which there is.
>>> 
>>> Every time I restart and then login to my account my Mac crashes. When I 
>>> log in to the test account, it is very slow, but successfully logs in and I 
>>> can do some testing. 
>>> 
>>> I noticed some issues with one of my two external drives, so I have 
>>> disconnected it. The crashes continue. 
>>> 
>>> I see from the log files that "cloudd" (the iCloud daemon) crashes very 
>>> frequently. I don't know if this is relevant.
>>> 
>>> Any help is appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Here is the system.log file leading up to the last crash:
>>> 
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Re: Help with crash?

[Macs R We]

Most direct thing to do is log into the account that doesn't crash, go into 
Console, find the panic log from that crash, and make it available somewhere 
where we can look at it.

I do like the technique of booting from a drive with a virgin OS on it.  I keep 
one of those, most people don't.

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:17 PM Matt Penna  > wrote:
> Whenever I encounter such a problem, my first steps are to run Apple Hardware 
> Test (AHT), and if that shows no problems (it’s far from foolproof), try a 
> completely clean install of the OS to a blank drive. See if you can get any 
> clues from either of these steps.
> 
> If you need AHT for your Mac, you can find it for many different Mac models 
> here on GitHub:
> 
> https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest 
> 
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> You mentioned that occasionally your Mac refuses to start up. Can you 
> describe the crashes you’re seeing? Are you getting the gray screen with a 
> message that you need to restart your computer, or is it just a reboot with 
> no warning?
> 
> It actually crashes when I try to log in to my user account. It starts up 
> slowly, but does start, then I log in and I get the grey screen that says I 
> need to reboot.
> 
> I am able to log into an alternate user account, so I don't think it's 
> hardware...but I'll give that a try.
> 
> Thanks!
>  
> 
>   Matt
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Jeff Weinberger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for your help with SIMBL I removed all traces I could find of it 
>> and it no longer appears in logs, crash reports, 'find' commands, etc.
>> 
>> May I impose on your collective expertise to help diagnose the ongoing 
>> crashes?
>> 
>> But the system crashes have not stopped. I have identified that it is the 
>> user account (I am the only user of the system, so having my user account is 
>> kind of important). I only have two use accounts: 1) mine and 2) a test 
>> account just in case there's a problem with mine - which there is.
>> 
>> Every time I restart and then login to my account my Mac crashes. When I log 
>> in to the test account, it is very slow, but successfully logs in and I can 
>> do some testing. 
>> 
>> I noticed some issues with one of my two external drives, so I have 
>> disconnected it. The crashes continue. 
>> 
>> I see from the log files that "cloudd" (the iCloud daemon) crashes very 
>> frequently. I don't know if this is relevant.
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated!
>> 
>> Here is the system.log file leading up to the last crash:
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to Big Sur woes

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If you hold Option down when you hear the boot chime, do you see an array of 
disk volumes, or do you see a password window?
If the latter, you have what used to be called the "firmware password" on, and 
perhaps that's what it's complaining about. I think you turn that off via 
recovery mode now.

> On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:01 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> I was about to upgrade my Mac Pro (running Mojave) to Big Sur, but when I run 
> the Big Sur installer and select the APFS (encrypted) boot drive, it says: 
> 
>   You may not install to this volume because it has a disk password.
> 
> How do I turn off the disk password? Or is it complaining that the drive is 
> encrypted?
> 
> I go into Sys Prefs -> Security -> FileVault and click on the lock icon, and 
> then click on "Turn Off FileVault..."  But the button does nothing. It turns 
> blue when clicked, but nothing happens, no panel opens, ... nothing.
> 
> The console log has this:
> 
>  ODNodeCustomFunction failed with result ODErrorCredentialsNotAuthorized
>  SetFrontProcessInternal(0x0,0x1fa1fa pid2520) error=-606 so failed
>  Authentication failed for  with ODErrorCredentialsInvalid
>  ODRecordVerifyPassword failed with result ODErrorCredentialsInvalid
> 
> 
> The diskutil info for the drive is:
> 
>+-> Volume disk1s1 D798F143-8BC1-40FE-97AB-74396129744B
>|   ---
>|   APFS Volume Disk (Role):   disk1s1 (No specific role)
>|   Name:  Macintosh HD (Case-insensitive)
>|   Mount Point:   /
>|   Capacity Consumed: 351754764288 B (351.8 GB)
>|   FileVault: Yes (Unlocked)
> 
> I assume I can re-encrypt my boot drive after I've installed Big Sur, but how 
> do I turn it off (or turn off the disk password) for the installation? Or is 
> this not what it's complaining about?
> 
> -Carl
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Re: Uninstalling something (X11 specifically)

[Macs R We]

Any given suite has its own deinstall protocol. You'd do better asking in a 
forum dedicated to XQuartz, or possibly macports.

> On Jan 30, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way, in general, to uninstall something?
> 
> For the specific case of X11 -- I had installed XQuartz 2.7.11, and it 
> apparently is too new for an older program -- what do I need to remove in 
> addition to the /opt/X11 directory? What else do I need to do?
> 
> Simply trying to install a lower version doesn't work -- apparently the 
> installer won't replace a "newer" version with an older one.
> 
> I'm trying to use a commercial program that was developed back in 2012, and 
> worked against the version of X back in 10.7 and 10.8, or even the oldest 
> 10.9's. But it fails completely against the macports version, or even the 
> latest from XQuartz, so I'm now going back to the oldest XQuartz I can run to 
> see if it works better.
> 
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Re: random restarts with Big Sur?

[Macs R We]

OK, I thought you were saying it only rebooted when you weren't there to watch 
it.

When I encountered this behavior recently, I found there was corruption in the 
APFS snapshots. Unfortunately, I found this only after the machine committed 
total hara-kiri, because Disk Utility was entirely too incompetent to detect 
any problem at all, and DiskWarrior still can't handle APFS. The problem was 
entirely undetectable until macOS finally diagnosed it by refusing to boot at 
all.. and by that time it was impossible for macOS to correct.

An early symptom of the problem was that Time Machine backups had (silently) 
stopped running — they'd launch, spend a lot of time "preparing," then stop 
with no message. Heroic attempts to diagnose/correct that problem also failed 
completely, but subsequent experience indicates it was another effect of the 
same corruption.

My advice is for you to keep an actual clone copy up to date (on a non-APFS 
drive) so you'll have something to recover from on the day macOS finally wakes 
up and realizes, "Looka that, I'm dead!"

> On Nov 19, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:18 PM Macs R We  <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
> Do you have automatic updating enabled? If the system performs an automatic 
> update that requires a reboot, it will reboot.
> 
> I have automatic updates enabled for things other than system updates, so 
> there should never be a reboot and there never was one in any previous 
> version before Big Sur.
> 
> Also the time it rebooted while I was working was very sudden - it didn't 
> shut down in an orderly fashion. It just instantly went black and then the 
> apple logo appeared. 
>  
> 
> > On Nov 19, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Jeff Weinberger  > <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I upgraded my iMac (21.5 inch, Late 2015) to Big Sur (11.0.1). Since then 
> > it's been restarting every now and then. I've noticed it tends to happen 
> > when I've been away from it for a while (like overnight, or if I go out for 
> > a few hours), but it's also happened once while I was working. It's 
> > probably happened 4-5 times since I upgraded 3 days ago.
> > 
> > Is this a known bug? Has anyone seen this?
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Re: random restarts with Big Sur?

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Do you have automatic updating enabled? If the system performs an automatic 
update that requires a reboot, it will reboot.

> On Nov 19, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> I upgraded my iMac (21.5 inch, Late 2015) to Big Sur (11.0.1). Since then 
> it's been restarting every now and then. I've noticed it tends to happen when 
> I've been away from it for a while (like overnight, or if I go out for a few 
> hours), but it's also happened once while I was working. It's probably 
> happened 4-5 times since I upgraded 3 days ago.
> 
> Is this a known bug? Has anyone seen this?
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Re: Writing a windows.iso to a usb flash drive

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I see this posting goes way back to July, so I don't remember if I've ever seen 
it before.

The problem with doing this sort of thing is that whenever the macOS Finder 
checks the drive out, it will immediately install one or two invisible 
folders/files (I think .DS_Store and .fseventsd) and that's enough to hose up 
anything expecting a pure Windows volume to complain about corruption. You can 
delete them, but they will immediately come right back. That's why a lot of Mac 
apps that create specialized Windows volumes will take ownership of the drive, 
completely erase it, fill it with the desired contents, then immediately eject 
it, so the Finder never gets a chance to examine and "improve" it.  The only 
way I've ever been able to beat this behavior is to use one of those 
specialized apps, or use Windows under Parallels with the drive assigned 
exclusively to Windows at all times.

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 5:59 AM, Matt Penna  wrote:
> 
> Did you try totally obliterating whatever partitions are on the USB drive? 
> I’ve sometimes run into trouble where there was some oddity with the 
> partition table and macOS just errored whenever I tried creating something 
> new. Open Terminal, note the USB drive's device identifier (that is, disk5, 
> disk6, disk8, etc., either from Disk Utility or from the Terminal), unmount 
> the USB drive, and run:
> 
> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk[USBDeviceIdentifier]
> 
> Note: This destroys all data on the drive. Please make sure you’re using the 
> right identifier so as not to destroy data on any other drive. Hit Ctrl+C 
> after a few seconds to stop the process, as it only needs to run for a moment 
> to do its job.
> 
> If that doesn’t help, did you try using Boot Camp Assistant? It can make a 
> USB Windows installer for you and you don’t need to actually install Windows 
> when it’s done. Such a drive should work fine on any PC.
> 
> Also, I do not recommend obtaining Windows install CDs from eBay. Prior bad 
> experiences and vicarious horror stories have shown that you never know what 
> you might get. Someone can easily trojan the installer.
> 
> If none of this works, I suggest trying another drive. Even a portable USB 
> hard drive should work, if only for troubleshooting the creation process.
> 
>   Matt
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2020, at 12:22 AM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried this command:
>> 
>> $ sudo dd if=Win10_2004_English_x64.iso of=/dev/rdisk2s1 bs=1m
>> 
>> It completes successfully, but the flash drive is rendered unreadable by 
>> both macOS and Windows. I guess I'll have to give up and buy an el-cheapo 
>> Win10 CD on eBay...
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to write a .iso file to a USB flash drive to be used to install 
>>> Windows 10 onto a PC with a blank HDD.
>>> 
>>> I've downloaded the 5.27GB 64bit Windows10.iso file (twice) from 
>>> microsoft.com, but when I use DiskUtility.app to "restore" the .iso file to 
>>> the flash drive (formatted as ExFAT & GUID), it always errors out with: 
>>> "Could not validate source - invalid argument". It sounds like it's trying 
>>> to parse the .iso file and can't (the .iso isn't corrupted). This is the 
>>> behavior on both Mojave and Catalina.
>>> 
>>> Is there any other way I can do this on a Mac, or do I have to hunt down 
>>> another Windows PC?
>>> 
>>> -Carl
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Re: Writing a windows.iso to a usb flash drive

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When I've had to do this, I usually just have the originator (e.g., MS Media 
Creation Tool) write the file directly to the USB in the first place, precisely 
to avoid issues like this.

You might try a "cloning" utility, such as Carbon Copy Cloner or the cloner 
tool in Drive Genius.

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:25 PM, David Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Roxio Toast would work.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:22 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried this command:
>> 
>> $ sudo dd if=Win10_2004_English_x64.iso of=/dev/rdisk2s1 bs=1m
>> 
>> It completes successfully, but the flash drive is rendered unreadable by 
>> both macOS and Windows. I guess I'll have to give up and buy an el-cheapo 
>> Win10 CD on eBay...
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to write a .iso file to a USB flash drive to be used to install 
>>> Windows 10 onto a PC with a blank HDD.
>>> 
>>> I've downloaded the 5.27GB 64bit Windows10.iso file (twice) from 
>>> microsoft.com, but when I use DiskUtility.app to "restore" the .iso file to 
>>> the flash drive (formatted as ExFAT & GUID), it always errors out with: 
>>> "Could not validate source - invalid argument". It sounds like it's trying 
>>> to parse the .iso file and can't (the .iso isn't corrupted). This is the 
>>> behavior on both Mojave and Catalina.
>>> 
>>> Is there any other way I can do this on a Mac, or do I have to hunt down 
>>> another Windows PC?
>>> 
>>> -Carl
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Mystery entry in iPhoto Recent

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I know iPhotos is unsupported and stops working in Catalina, but I still use 
it.  I'm hoping someone remembers something about it.

In the left column, iPhotos offers the headers: Library, Recent, Events, and 
Albums. Under Recent is: Last 12 Months, Last Import, Flagged, Printing, and 
Trash, all very understandable.

The issue is that I have one extra entry in Recent that I don't understand — 
its name is "Jun 23, 2019".  It has one unremarkable photo in it, which in fact 
was taken on that date, but was far from the only photo taken on that date.  
The photo doesn't appear to be flagged in any special way, even in Get Info.  
The entry is not an album, it's in Recent (not that 2019 is exactly recent).  
Right clicking on the entry "Jun 23, 2019" doesn't offer me any option to 
delete the entry.  Choosing the entry, or the photo in it, and then browsing 
the menu-bar menus fails to enlighten.

I have no idea how this entry was created, why it is under Recent, or what 
significance it has, if any. Does anybody else know what this means?

I suppose I can always disappear it by exporting the photo, deleting it from 
iPhoto, then re-importing… assuming that doesn't just empty out the Recent 
entry instead of removing it.  But I'd like to solve the puzzle.

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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

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Sorry, that was ambiguous. I am using the HDMI port to run my LG.

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
> 
> You could probably do better at Monoprice. FYI, I am running my LG off HDMI 
> as well.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Carl Hoefs > <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, that might be the problem. The presence of the "Underscan" 
>> adjustment seems to indicate that the Mac somehow detects the LG to be a TV 
>> not a monitor per se, so as a result I'm not getting very good definition 
>> onscreen. 
>> 
>> There is a VGA port on the monitor that I' could use (instead of the HDMI). 
>> But I'd have to buy a mini DisplayPort to VGA dongle from Apple for $30...
>> 
>> -Carl
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Macs R We >> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hm. my LG shows no underscan control. Yours must be special. ;-)
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Carl Hoefs >>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just as a followup, I hooked up a Viewsonic VX2433 monitor along with the 
>>>> LG 42". The Night Shift options appear for the Viewsonic but not for the 
>>>> LG. Weird.
>>>> 
>>>> Additionally, SysPrefs provides the LG with a "Underscan" adjustment, 
>>>> while the Viewsonic gets none.
>>>> 
>>>> How does one "prioritize" the screens, i.e., change the one with the 
>>>> notifications and dock on it? Rearranging them in SysPrefs doesn't seem to 
>>>> alter that.
>>>> 
>>>> -Carl
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Carl Hoefs >>>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion to look for "manual" buttons. I didn't know 
>>>>> there were any! I found a manual "options" button which enabled a config 
>>>>> menu, and allowed me to adjust the display to be more neutral. 
>>>>> Unfortunately, the options to control individual R-G-B color balance are 
>>>>> dimmed out, but overall it looks much better than it did before!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Carl
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Macs R We >>>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My LG 32 has a reasonable set of color balancing options in the 
>>>>>> display's own menu (manual buttons). Perhaps yours does as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Carl Hoefs >>>>>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Actually that was my ultimate question... I'm trying to alter the 
>>>>>>> color balance of my LG 42" (which is overly blue) and any attempt to do 
>>>>>>> so turns it a hideous orange. I resorted to using f.lux since I don't 
>>>>>>> have the Night Shift options, but the net effect is awful. I thought 
>>>>>>> somehow Night Shift might do a better job at it, but apparently not!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Macs R We >>>>>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, sorry… I never use either, and I mixed up the terms.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Curiously, when I typed “night” in System Preferences (Mac Mini, 
>>>>>>>> current Mojave), it did NOT highlight Display — only Keyboard (for 
>>>>>>>> Illuminate) and Parental Controls (for Time Limits). However, my 
>>>>>>>> Displays does indeed have a Night Shift tab, which “works” on my LG 
>>>>>>>> 32” (it turns the display a hideous orange).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Andy Lee >>>>>>>> <mailto:ag...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [This is a resend.  I messed up both the "From" *and* the "To" the 
>>>>>>>>> first time I sent this. :/]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Are you thinking of Dark Mode?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I searched System Preferences for "night" and selected "Night Shift 
>>>>>>>>> options".  This took me to the Display prefs, which included a "Night 
>>>>>>>>> Shift" tab.  It sounds like that tab is not showing up for Carl.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --Andy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Macs R We >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top 
>>>>>>>>>> item in the General Sys Pref.
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

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You could probably do better at Monoprice. FYI, I am running my LG off HDMI as 
well.

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, that might be the problem. The presence of the "Underscan" 
> adjustment seems to indicate that the Mac somehow detects the LG to be a TV 
> not a monitor per se, so as a result I'm not getting very good definition 
> onscreen. 
> 
> There is a VGA port on the monitor that I' could use (instead of the HDMI). 
> But I'd have to buy a mini DisplayPort to VGA dongle from Apple for $30...
> 
> -Carl
>  
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hm. my LG shows no underscan control. Yours must be special. ;-)
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Carl Hoefs >> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just as a followup, I hooked up a Viewsonic VX2433 monitor along with the 
>>> LG 42". The Night Shift options appear for the Viewsonic but not for the 
>>> LG. Weird.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, SysPrefs provides the LG with a "Underscan" adjustment, while 
>>> the Viewsonic gets none.
>>> 
>>> How does one "prioritize" the screens, i.e., change the one with the 
>>> notifications and dock on it? Rearranging them in SysPrefs doesn't seem to 
>>> alter that.
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Carl Hoefs >>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion to look for "manual" buttons. I didn't know 
>>>> there were any! I found a manual "options" button which enabled a config 
>>>> menu, and allowed me to adjust the display to be more neutral. 
>>>> Unfortunately, the options to control individual R-G-B color balance are 
>>>> dimmed out, but overall it looks much better than it did before!
>>>> 
>>>> -Carl
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Macs R We >>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My LG 32 has a reasonable set of color balancing options in the display's 
>>>>> own menu (manual buttons). Perhaps yours does as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Carl Hoefs >>>>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually that was my ultimate question... I'm trying to alter the color 
>>>>>> balance of my LG 42" (which is overly blue) and any attempt to do so 
>>>>>> turns it a hideous orange. I resorted to using f.lux since I don't have 
>>>>>> the Night Shift options, but the net effect is awful. I thought somehow 
>>>>>> Night Shift might do a better job at it, but apparently not!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Macs R We >>>>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, sorry… I never use either, and I mixed up the terms.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curiously, when I typed “night” in System Preferences (Mac Mini, 
>>>>>>> current Mojave), it did NOT highlight Display — only Keyboard (for 
>>>>>>> Illuminate) and Parental Controls (for Time Limits). However, my 
>>>>>>> Displays does indeed have a Night Shift tab, which “works” on my LG 32” 
>>>>>>> (it turns the display a hideous orange).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Andy Lee >>>>>>> <mailto:ag...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [This is a resend.  I messed up both the "From" *and* the "To" the 
>>>>>>>> first time I sent this. :/]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you thinking of Dark Mode?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I searched System Preferences for "night" and selected "Night Shift 
>>>>>>>> options".  This took me to the Display prefs, which included a "Night 
>>>>>>>> Shift" tab.  It sounds like that tab is not showing up for Carl.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --Andy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Macs R We >>>>>>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top 
>>>>>>>>> item in the General Sys Pref.
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

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Hm. my LG shows no underscan control. Yours must be special. ;-)

> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Just as a followup, I hooked up a Viewsonic VX2433 monitor along with the LG 
> 42". The Night Shift options appear for the Viewsonic but not for the LG. 
> Weird.
> 
> Additionally, SysPrefs provides the LG with a "Underscan" adjustment, while 
> the Viewsonic gets none.
> 
> How does one "prioritize" the screens, i.e., change the one with the 
> notifications and dock on it? Rearranging them in SysPrefs doesn't seem to 
> alter that.
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Carl Hoefs > <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion to look for "manual" buttons. I didn't know there 
>> were any! I found a manual "options" button which enabled a config menu, and 
>> allowed me to adjust the display to be more neutral. Unfortunately, the 
>> options to control individual R-G-B color balance are dimmed out, but 
>> overall it looks much better than it did before!
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Macs R We >> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My LG 32 has a reasonable set of color balancing options in the display's 
>>> own menu (manual buttons). Perhaps yours does as well.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Carl Hoefs >>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually that was my ultimate question... I'm trying to alter the color 
>>>> balance of my LG 42" (which is overly blue) and any attempt to do so turns 
>>>> it a hideous orange. I resorted to using f.lux since I don't have the 
>>>> Night Shift options, but the net effect is awful. I thought somehow Night 
>>>> Shift might do a better job at it, but apparently not!
>>>> 
>>>> -Carl
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Macs R We >>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, sorry… I never use either, and I mixed up the terms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Curiously, when I typed “night” in System Preferences (Mac Mini, current 
>>>>> Mojave), it did NOT highlight Display — only Keyboard (for Illuminate) 
>>>>> and Parental Controls (for Time Limits). However, my Displays does indeed 
>>>>> have a Night Shift tab, which “works” on my LG 32” (it turns the display 
>>>>> a hideous orange).
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Andy Lee >>>>> <mailto:ag...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [This is a resend.  I messed up both the "From" *and* the "To" the first 
>>>>>> time I sent this. :/]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you thinking of Dark Mode?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I searched System Preferences for "night" and selected "Night Shift 
>>>>>> options".  This took me to the Display prefs, which included a "Night 
>>>>>> Shift" tab.  It sounds like that tab is not showing up for Carl.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Macs R We >>>>>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top item 
>>>>>>> in the General Sys Pref.
>>>>> 
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Re: "Open with" drop down menu

[Macs R We]

It's not unheard-of for apps to store "emergency" copies of themselves and 
other utilities there, and unless they provide their own uninstallers (and you 
use them), those hidden bits tend to stick around.

I ran into a related sort of misbehavior with a client who had an external 
attached with other versions of macOS on it, and the App Store was doing crazy 
things to his Applications library until I persuaded him to exclude that drive 
from Spotlight.

> On Jun 25, 2020, at 12:33 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
> 
> I thought I had that covered by checking in both Applications and Utilities 
> as well as the user Applications folder.  Nothing showed up.
> 
> However doing what you suggested I found some rogue copies fairly easily and 
> deleted them.
> 
> The others took more finding until I found multiple copies hiding in the 
> Application Support folder.  How they got there I have absolutely no idea. 
> It’s not somewhere I would put them either temporarily or otherwise.  
> 
> I suppose it could be rogue installers, one reason I prefer .dmg  as you know 
> more or less what you are doing.  Increasingly ‘installer’ packages tend to 
> follow the Microsoft model of putting stuff in the nooks and crannies of the 
> OS without bothering to tell you.
> 
> Still all is now well.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 02:31, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> Do the duplicate apps actually exist somewhere? That is, if you choose 
>> 2.5.6, then go to the Dock and do a Show in Finder, does it actually show 
>> that app hiding somewhere?
>> 
>> If so, just delete it.
>> 
>> If not, try reindexing your Spotlight index.
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:59 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> For some reason the "open with…” menu has several  items which are new 
>>> versions of the same app.
>>> 
>>> Eg Open with:
>>> 
>>> PDF Expert( 2.5.6)
>>> PDF Expert( 2.5.7)
>>> PDF Expert( 2.5.8)
>>> 
>>> There’s a couple of others in the same vein, but you get the idea.
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried deleting:   ~/library/preferences/com.apple.LaunchServices.prefs 
>>>  but this is 
>>> 
>>> replaced on restart with one labelled:   
>>> com.apple.LaunchServices.QuarantineEventsV2
>>> 
>>> There is also a folder: com.apple.LaunchServices  which contains:  
>>> com.apple.launchservices.secure.plistOpening this with BBEdit shows 
>>> only a single pdfexpert with no version numbers and similarly for the 
>>> others.
>>> 
>>> `I’ve also tried rebuilding the launch services database which doesn’t 
>>> solve the problem.
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me how I can remove what are effectively duplicates, from 
>>> the menu.
>>> 
>>> Chris Walker
>>> 
>>> Catalina 10.15.5
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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

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It used to be that you would just drag the teeny tiny menubar image from one 
screen to the other in the display arrangements pane. Currently, I am getting 
both a menu and a dock on both of my displays after having done absolutely 
nothing to achieve that. The dock on the big screen isn't particularly useful, 
given that the screens are arranged vertically, but if you tease the proper 
area it will appear.

> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Just as a followup, I hooked up a Viewsonic VX2433 monitor along with the LG 
> 42". The Night Shift options appear for the Viewsonic but not for the LG. 
> Weird.
> 
> Additionally, SysPrefs provides the LG with a "Underscan" adjustment, while 
> the Viewsonic gets none.
> 
> How does one "prioritize" the screens, i.e., change the one with the 
> notifications and dock on it? Rearranging them in SysPrefs doesn't seem to 
> alter that.
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion to look for "manual" buttons. I didn't know there 
>> were any! I found a manual "options" button which enabled a config menu, and 
>> allowed me to adjust the display to be more neutral. Unfortunately, the 
>> options to control individual R-G-B color balance are dimmed out, but 
>> overall it looks much better than it did before!
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My LG 32 has a reasonable set of color balancing options in the display's 
>>> own menu (manual buttons). Perhaps yours does as well.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> Actually that was my ultimate question... I'm trying to alter the color 
>>>> balance of my LG 42" (which is overly blue) and any attempt to do so turns 
>>>> it a hideous orange. I resorted to using f.lux since I don't have the 
>>>> Night Shift options, but the net effect is awful. I thought somehow Night 
>>>> Shift might do a better job at it, but apparently not!
>>>> 
>>>> -Carl
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, sorry… I never use either, and I mixed up the terms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Curiously, when I typed “night” in System Preferences (Mac Mini, current 
>>>>> Mojave), it did NOT highlight Display — only Keyboard (for Illuminate) 
>>>>> and Parental Controls (for Time Limits). However, my Displays does indeed 
>>>>> have a Night Shift tab, which “works” on my LG 32” (it turns the display 
>>>>> a hideous orange).
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Andy Lee  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [This is a resend.  I messed up both the "From" *and* the "To" the first 
>>>>>> time I sent this. :/]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you thinking of Dark Mode?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I searched System Preferences for "night" and selected "Night Shift 
>>>>>> options".  This took me to the Display prefs, which included a "Night 
>>>>>> Shift" tab.  It sounds like that tab is not showing up for Carl.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top item 
>>>>>>> in the General Sys Pref.
>>>>> 
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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

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My LG 32 has a reasonable set of color balancing options in the display's own 
menu (manual buttons). Perhaps yours does as well.

> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually that was my ultimate question... I'm trying to alter the color 
> balance of my LG 42" (which is overly blue) and any attempt to do so turns it 
> a hideous orange. I resorted to using f.lux since I don't have the Night 
> Shift options, but the net effect is awful. I thought somehow Night Shift 
> might do a better job at it, but apparently not!
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, sorry… I never use either, and I mixed up the terms.
>> 
>> Curiously, when I typed “night” in System Preferences (Mac Mini, current 
>> Mojave), it did NOT highlight Display — only Keyboard (for Illuminate) and 
>> Parental Controls (for Time Limits). However, my Displays does indeed have a 
>> Night Shift tab, which “works” on my LG 32” (it turns the display a hideous 
>> orange).
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Andy Lee  wrote:
>>> 
>>> [This is a resend.  I messed up both the "From" *and* the "To" the first 
>>> time I sent this. :/]
>>> 
>>> Are you thinking of Dark Mode?
>>> 
>>> I searched System Preferences for "night" and selected "Night Shift 
>>> options".  This took me to the Display prefs, which included a "Night 
>>> Shift" tab.  It sounds like that tab is not showing up for Carl.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Andy
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top item in 
>>>> the General Sys Pref.
>> 
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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

[Macs R We]

Yes, sorry… I never use either, and I mixed up the terms.

Curiously, when I typed “night” in System Preferences (Mac Mini, current 
Mojave), it did NOT highlight Display — only Keyboard (for Illuminate) and 
Parental Controls (for Time Limits). However, my Displays does indeed have a 
Night Shift tab, which “works” on my LG 32” (it turns the display a hideous 
orange).

> On Jun 24, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Andy Lee  wrote:
> 
> [This is a resend.  I messed up both the "From" *and* the "To" the first time 
> I sent this. :/]
> 
> Are you thinking of Dark Mode?
> 
> I searched System Preferences for "night" and selected "Night Shift options". 
>  This took me to the Display prefs, which included a "Night Shift" tab.  It 
> sounds like that tab is not showing up for Carl.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --Andy
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top item in 
>> the General Sys Pref.


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Re: "Open with" drop down menu

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Do the duplicate apps actually exist somewhere? That is, if you choose 2.5.6, 
then go to the Dock and do a Show in Finder, does it actually show that app 
hiding somewhere?

If so, just delete it.

If not, try reindexing your Spotlight index.

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:59 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> For some reason the "open with…” menu has several  items which are new 
> versions of the same app.
> 
> Eg Open with:
> 
> PDF Expert( 2.5.6)
> PDF Expert( 2.5.7)
> PDF Expert( 2.5.8)
> 
> There’s a couple of others in the same vein, but you get the idea.
> 
> I’ve tried deleting:   ~/library/preferences/com.apple.LaunchServices.prefs  
> but this is 
> 
> replaced on restart with one labelled:   
> com.apple.LaunchServices.QuarantineEventsV2
> 
> There is also a folder: com.apple.LaunchServices  which contains:  
> com.apple.launchservices.secure.plistOpening this with BBEdit shows only 
> a single pdfexpert with no version numbers and similarly for the others.
> 
> `I’ve also tried rebuilding the launch services database which doesn’t solve 
> the problem.
> 
> Can someone tell me how I can remove what are effectively duplicates, from 
> the menu.
> 
> Chris Walker
> 
> Catalina 10.15.5
> 
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Re: Where are my Night Shift options?

[Macs R We]

Night Shift isn’t a Display thing, it’s an OS thing. It’s the top item in the 
General Sys Pref.

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> What is the magic incantation to get the "Night Shift" options to appear in 
> the Sys Prefs Display pane?
> 
> I've hooked up a 42" LG 1080p display to my Mac Pro via HDMI<-->HDMI, and the 
> Night Shift options do *not* appear in the Sys Prefs Display pane.
> 
> If I hook it up with a Thunderbolt2<-->HDMI cable, would that do the trick? 
> (I would have to buy such a cable to try it out.) Just wondering what 
> triggers the options to show up. (Mojave 10.14.6)
> 
> -Carl
> 
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Re: Airplay question

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> On May 15, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:

> I'm sorry I did not give enough information.  I have a 2013 Mac Pro, so my 
> monitor is separate.  I have a spare (HDMI) port on the monitor, so I can 
> connect that to the HDMI port on the 2013 MacBook Pro.  My monitor can switch 
> between inputs, though it involves several menu selections to go back and 
> forth.  I just thought that clicking on an entry in the Airplay menu icon 
> would be simpler and easier, if that were possible.

I have an HDMI switch with a remote control. One button. Under $10 refurbed, 
under $30 new.  Love it.

> I was hoping that Airplay would allow one mac to mirror its screen on a 
> second mac, but apparently Airplay only allows a mac to mirror its screen on 
> a TV or monitor connected to an Apple TV.  Is that correct?

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/your-complete-guide-to-apple-airplay/

Apparently, you need an AppleTV, Airport, or Airplay-enabled console. I don't 
have any of those, and I've never used Airplay.

> If I connect to work using VPN, I can share the screen of the iMac at work 
> with the MacBook Pro at home.  The iMac's screen is what I really want to 
> share on my personal Mac Pro (with the large monitor).  However, screen 
> sharing between a work computer and a personal computer is not allowed

Well then, Airplay would also fall afoul of this policy, so either you are 
willing or you are not willing. That HDMI switch is looking better.

> I should probably invest in a thunderbolt dock, which I assume would allow me 
> to share the mouse and keyboard as well as the monitor.  I was just hoping to 
> avoid spending hundreds of dollars on a thunderbolt dock and thunderbolt 
> cables if I could somehow use what I already have.

Actually, a TB dock doesn't allow you to "share" anything.  It just gives your 
computer extra ports. I plug my laptop into a TB dock to get gig Ethernet, 
FireWire to run some old drives, and HDMI into the switch for my wall monitor.  
It's the switch that allows me to share.


> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gregg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Macs R We 
> Date: Friday, May 15, 2020 at 6:43 PM
> To: "Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C]" 
> Cc: X Talk 
> Subject: Re: Airplay question
> 
> Throughout all of this explanation, you never really give us an idea of 
> whether your desktop monitor is a separate unit, as you would have in a Mini, 
> or an integrated unit, as you would have in an iMac.
> 
> I have a mini with a separate screen, and an HDMI switch so that I can do the 
> whole job with just a single thunderbolt cable. But I gather that won't 
> satisfy you.
> 
> The only alternative I can think of is for you to install a remote service 
> screen sharing program such as AnyDesk on both of your machines, and then 
> have your home machine screen-share your laptop. It's clunky, and there will 
> probably be some lag, but it's the only thing I can think of that would serve 
> the wireless requirement.
> 
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm sure this is a dumb question, but here goes.  I know that Airplay can be 
>> used to send video from any of my Macs to my TV via my Apple TV.  For 
>> example, I use this setup to watch live streaming concerts, as it provides a 
>> larger screen and better audio.
>> 
>> Can I do something similar to show my relatively small laptop screen on my 
>> relatively large desktop monitor?
>> 
>> The reason I ask is that I can only connect to my employer's network via the 
>> laptop that they supply.  For some work tasks, it would be much nicer to see 
>> things on the larger screen, especially since I am already screen sharing 
>> from my computer at work to my laptop at home, so a lot of things are too 
>> small for my old eyes.  I can connect the laptop to the desktop's monitor 
>> with an HDMI cable, but I'd rather not mess around with extra cables and 
>> toggling back and forth.  Is there an easy way to do this wirelessly (i.e., 
>> view my laptop's screen on my desktop's monitor), such as with Airplay?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gregg
> 
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Re: Airplay question

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Throughout all of this explanation, you never really give us an idea of whether 
your desktop monitor is a separate unit, as you would have in a Mini, or an 
integrated unit, as you would have in an iMac.

I have a mini with a separate screen, and an HDMI switch so that I can do the 
whole job with just a single thunderbolt cable. But I gather that won't satisfy 
you.

The only alternative I can think of is for you to install a remote service 
screen sharing program such as AnyDesk on both of your machines, and then have 
your home machine screen-share your laptop. It's clunky, and there will 
probably be some lag, but it's the only thing I can think of that would serve 
the wireless requirement.

> On May 15, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm sure this is a dumb question, but here goes.  I know that Airplay can be 
> used to send video from any of my Macs to my TV via my Apple TV.  For 
> example, I use this setup to watch live streaming concerts, as it provides a 
> larger screen and better audio.
> 
> Can I do something similar to show my relatively small laptop screen on my 
> relatively large desktop monitor?
> 
> The reason I ask is that I can only connect to my employer's network via the 
> laptop that they supply.  For some work tasks, it would be much nicer to see 
> things on the larger screen, especially since I am already screen sharing 
> from my computer at work to my laptop at home, so a lot of things are too 
> small for my old eyes.  I can connect the laptop to the desktop's monitor 
> with an HDMI cable, but I'd rather not mess around with extra cables and 
> toggling back and forth.  Is there an easy way to do this wirelessly (i.e., 
> view my laptop's screen on my desktop's monitor), such as with Airplay?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gregg
> 
> 
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Re: Remote viewing for iOS?

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You're right – I've discovered that AnyDesk sort of does what I want, except 
that it interrupts anything that's going on after about 15 seconds and bitches 
that it's going to close the connection unless you extend it, at which point it 
throws you back to the AnyDesk app over and over and over and over until you 
get tired of it or your client fumbles it and  you get disconnected anyway.

> On May 14, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> ConnectWise also. But all of these charge a monthly fee, as I recall.
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've heard of a few that came out after Apple added screen sharing to iOS 11.
>> TeamViewer? Zoho Assist? Beyond Trust?
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I swear I saw a posting on one of these lists about a tool for remote 
>>> support of iOS in the same manner as AnyDesk or TeamViewer for PCs/Macs… 
>>> but I can't find it. Can someone hep me out?
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Remote viewing for iOS?

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I swear I saw a posting on one of these lists about a tool for remote support 
of iOS in the same manner as AnyDesk or TeamViewer for PCs/Macs… but I can't 
find it. Can someone hep me out?
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Chill pads

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Has anyone ever run into any actively refrigerated laptop pads? Ones that 
actually plug in, maybe with a Peltier junction in them?

My MBP, plugged into ,y large-screen display, goes into kernel_task slowdown 
mode every time the ambient temp goes above 80°. Problem is, I keep my home 
above 80° in the summer, so fan-type coolers won't be any help. I'm getting 
tired of balancing my laptop of blocks of blue ice.
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Re: 10.9.5 with Random Restarts

[Macs R We]

Usually, when returning from this state, you'll see a kind of phantom gray 
mockery of the start up progress bar screen, which is similar but with a 
weirdly different appearance. 

I had occasion to work on the last MacBook Pro model with a removable battery 
last week, and discovered a weird Apple bug in El Capitan file migration (the 
last release that 2008 machine runs). It turns out that File migration refuses 
even to start migrating (with a completely unhelpful and generic error message) 
if there is no battery inserted in the unit. Reporting this to Apple today 
would be an exercise in futility, so I plan to just post it in a random blog 
somewhere with enough keywords to let people find it if they're having the same 
problem.

> On May 7, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> 
>>> On 2020-05-07, at 4:22 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you knock the power connector out and the battery exhausts itself, 
>>> macOS will cause the machine to hibernate when the battery gets below a 
>>> certain percentage, just so that it can keep the state alive like an 
>>> internal battery would have, until you power it up again. Of course, if you 
>>> leave it in that state for a few weeks, it will eventually drain, but most 
>>> of the time that doesn't happen.
>> 
>> So it wasn't even a real powerless test.
>> 
>> Can't remove the battery on this one like I could on the old power PC.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2020-05-07, at 2:40 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> While this is true, even in the older systems a bad PRAM battery would 
>>>> cause mischief only when the machine was disconnected from all other power 
>>>> (for a laptop, that means adapterless and batteryless; for a desktop, that 
>>>> means unplugged or shut off with the power button, not slept). Otherwise, 
>>>> the Mac will always maintain power to those functions using the 
>>>> non-internal-battery power source. Unless you have a desktop, and unless 
>>>> you explicitly shut it down or have a home power failure, the PRAM battery 
>>>> (where present) will never come into play.
>>> 
>>> Actually, adapterless and batteryless was an issue recently.
>>> 
>>> Kitty knocked the power cord out (magsafe does not mean it won't 
>>> disconnect; it means the connector won't be damaged when it disconnects) 
>>> and the battery drained.
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, it did a full reboot after being reconnected, so ...
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Kuehn  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>I think you are misunderstanding what it going on with a bad PRAM 
>>>>> battery. The time being off is a side-effect, not the proximate cause of 
>>>>> the problems (restarts, etc). The problem is that the clock is not 
>>>>> trustable (so not always going the right direction), along with the 
>>>>> maintaining consistency with a number of firmware setting (think about 
>>>>> mismatches between what hardware and software think is happening). There 
>>>>> probably is also some issue with greying-out the power management 
>>>>> hardware (which depends on that battery).
>>>>> 
>>>>>I don’t know if there is a separate battery anymore (and never knew it 
>>>>> for laptops), but I do know that people rarely knew to even look for 
>>>>> problems with the batteries (Apple techs included), and so I was able to 
>>>>> solve a few “unsolvable” issues with older hardware (way back when).
>>>>> 
>>>>> —
>>>>>   Karl Kuehn
>>>>>   kuehn.k...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, yes and no. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's true a system clock time being set badly can screw up the 
>>>>>> encryption services, and that's one thing that a dead internal battery 
>>>>>> will cause. I save installation packages for all past OSX systems, and 
>>>>>> to install them I often have to set the system clock way back to be 
>>>>>> within their certificates' (short) expiration dates. Sometimes I forget 
>>>>>> to set it back, and start getting strang

Re: 10.9.5 with Random Restarts

[Macs R We]

Well then, I will take your word for it. (And I'm not Michael, I'm C D.)

Most of my experiences with pram batteries were in the original candy colored 
(VW bug) style iMacs. When they got low enough, they would prevent the machine 
from booting, but as long as the machine was running, it would run perfectly 
with a low or even dead battery until you actually powered it off.

I had several cases of clients who never turned their machine all the way off, 
and never had a problem until they got powered down by a residential power 
outage, and then wouldn't start up again, because the battery was at absolute 
0v. 

> On May 7, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Karl Kuehn  wrote:
> 
> Michael,
>With all due respect, you are wrong. A bad PRAM battery will cause 
> problems on a machine that is fully plugged in. They are often subtle and 
> non-repeatable (hence my procedure to diagnose involving over 48 hours), but 
> they do happen. In the past I have fixed problems this way, so I know that 
> this is the case. You may not have seen this, but that does not change things.
> 
> —
>   Karl Kuehn
>   kuehn.k...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> While this is true, even in the older systems a bad PRAM battery would cause 
>> mischief only when the machine was disconnected from all other power (for a 
>> laptop, that means adapterless and batteryless; for a desktop, that means 
>> unplugged or shut off with the power button, not slept). Otherwise, the Mac 
>> will always maintain power to those functions using the non-internal-battery 
>> power source. Unless you have a desktop, and unless you explicitly shut it 
>> down or have a home power failure, the PRAM battery (where present) will 
>> never come into play.
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Re: 10.9.5 with Random Restarts

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When you knock the power connector out and the battery exhausts itself, macOS 
will cause the machine to hibernate when the battery gets below a certain 
percentage, just so that it can keep the state alive like an internal battery 
would have, until you power it up again. Of course, if you leave it in that 
state for a few weeks, it will eventually drain, but most of the time that 
doesn't happen.

> On May 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 2020-05-07, at 2:40 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> While this is true, even in the older systems a bad PRAM battery would cause 
>> mischief only when the machine was disconnected from all other power (for a 
>> laptop, that means adapterless and batteryless; for a desktop, that means 
>> unplugged or shut off with the power button, not slept). Otherwise, the Mac 
>> will always maintain power to those functions using the non-internal-battery 
>> power source. Unless you have a desktop, and unless you explicitly shut it 
>> down or have a home power failure, the PRAM battery (where present) will 
>> never come into play.
> 
> Actually, adapterless and batteryless was an issue recently.
> 
> Kitty knocked the power cord out (magsafe does not mean it won't disconnect; 
> it means the connector won't be damaged when it disconnects) and the battery 
> drained.
> 
> On the other hand, it did a full reboot after being reconnected, so ...
> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Kuehn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael,
>>>I think you are misunderstanding what it going on with a bad PRAM 
>>> battery. The time being off is a side-effect, not the proximate cause of 
>>> the problems (restarts, etc). The problem is that the clock is not 
>>> trustable (so not always going the right direction), along with the 
>>> maintaining consistency with a number of firmware setting (think about 
>>> mismatches between what hardware and software think is happening). There 
>>> probably is also some issue with greying-out the power management hardware 
>>> (which depends on that battery).
>>> 
>>>I don’t know if there is a separate battery anymore (and never knew it 
>>> for laptops), but I do know that people rarely knew to even look for 
>>> problems with the batteries (Apple techs included), and so I was able to 
>>> solve a few “unsolvable” issues with older hardware (way back when).
>>> 
>>> —
>>> Karl Kuehn
>>> kuehn.k...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, yes and no. 
>>>> 
>>>> It's true a system clock time being set badly can screw up the encryption 
>>>> services, and that's one thing that a dead internal battery will cause. I 
>>>> save installation packages for all past OSX systems, and to install them I 
>>>> often have to set the system clock way back to be within their 
>>>> certificates' (short) expiration dates. Sometimes I forget to set it back, 
>>>> and start getting strange errors like "this website's certificate is not 
>>>> yet valid" until I remember. But it doesn't cause panics.  And you would 
>>>> be able to figure out if that's a problem by just checking your current 
>>>> system time. Since Apple started making all their laptops with 
>>>> non-removable batteries, I don't think they even include a separate 
>>>> internal battery anymore.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are getting true panics, you must have panic dumps available 
>>>> somewhere in the log area, and should be able to scan those.
>>>> 
>>>> You should be able to examine your root certificates in Keychain Access; 
>>>> the app should be able to help you identify an untrusted one.
>>>> 
>>>> Another thing that can cause reboots is benign — having the installation 
>>>> system set to install updates automatically, and some of these updates 
>>>> require a reboot. Usually the symptom of this is that you wake up to find 
>>>> yourself back at the login window. Still, the system logs would also 
>>>> identify this as a reboot reason.
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm. "easy" enough to check, I just have to ... not ... use ... my 
>>>>> computer ... for a weekend? ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe a few days midweek.

Re: 10.9.5 with Random Restarts

[Macs R We]

While this is true, even in the older systems a bad PRAM battery would cause 
mischief only when the machine was disconnected from all other power (for a 
laptop, that means adapterless and batteryless; for a desktop, that means 
unplugged or shut off with the power button, not slept). Otherwise, the Mac 
will always maintain power to those functions using the non-internal-battery 
power source. Unless you have a desktop, and unless you explicitly shut it down 
or have a home power failure, the PRAM battery (where present) will never come 
into play.

> On May 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Kuehn  wrote:
> 
> Michael,
>I think you are misunderstanding what it going on with a bad PRAM battery. 
> The time being off is a side-effect, not the proximate cause of the problems 
> (restarts, etc). The problem is that the clock is not trustable (so not 
> always going the right direction), along with the maintaining consistency 
> with a number of firmware setting (think about mismatches between what 
> hardware and software think is happening). There probably is also some issue 
> with greying-out the power management hardware (which depends on that 
> battery).
> 
>I don’t know if there is a separate battery anymore (and never knew it for 
> laptops), but I do know that people rarely knew to even look for problems 
> with the batteries (Apple techs included), and so I was able to solve a few 
> “unsolvable” issues with older hardware (way back when).
> 
> —
>   Karl Kuehn
>   kuehn.k...@gmail.com <mailto:kuehn.k...@gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, yes and no. 
>> 
>> It's true a system clock time being set badly can screw up the encryption 
>> services, and that's one thing that a dead internal battery will cause. I 
>> save installation packages for all past OSX systems, and to install them I 
>> often have to set the system clock way back to be within their certificates' 
>> (short) expiration dates. Sometimes I forget to set it back, and start 
>> getting strange errors like "this website's certificate is not yet valid" 
>> until I remember. But it doesn't cause panics.  And you would be able to 
>> figure out if that's a problem by just checking your current system time. 
>> Since Apple started making all their laptops with non-removable batteries, I 
>> don't think they even include a separate internal battery anymore.
>> 
>> If you are getting true panics, you must have panic dumps available 
>> somewhere in the log area, and should be able to scan those.
>> 
>> You should be able to examine your root certificates in Keychain Access; the 
>> app should be able to help you identify an untrusted one.
>> 
>> Another thing that can cause reboots is benign — having the installation 
>> system set to install updates automatically, and some of these updates 
>> require a reboot. Usually the symptom of this is that you wake up to find 
>> yourself back at the login window. Still, the system logs would also 
>> identify this as a reboot reason.
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Michael >> <mailto:keybou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. "easy" enough to check, I just have to ... not ... use ... my computer 
>>> ... for a weekend? ...
>>> 
>>> Maybe a few days midweek.
>>> 
>>> On 2020-05-07, at 11:55 AM, larkost >> <mailto:kuehn.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have no idea if this is the problem, but back when I was in the 
>>>> troubleshooting Macs business one problem I ran into was the PRAM battery 
>>>> (yes, wrong name, but...) going bad. It would cause all sorts of 
>>>> mysterious problems until replaced.
>>>> 
>>>> The way of checking for this was to:
>>>> 1. On a Friday make sure that the system time was set.
>>>> 2. Disconnect the computer from all network connections, and unplug it 
>>>> from power.
>>>> 3. Leave it over the weekend unplugged.
>>>> 4. If the time was wrong when you booted up on Monday, then you found your 
>>>> problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course this was with desktops, And a number of years ago. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Michael >>>> <mailto:keybou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is unhappy for me also; I have gotten two panics in just about a 
>>>>> week.
>>>>> 
&g

Re: Root keys and older systems

[Macs R We]

Delete the certificate. Next time you run into a situation that requires that 
certificate, a correct one (if there is one) will be refetched; if there isn't 
one, you should get an appropriate diagnostic rather than a crash.

> On May 7, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
>> You should be able to examine your root certificates in Keychain Access; the 
>> app should be able to help you identify an untrusted one.
> 
> So I've discovered what's happening with my keys, and ... I'd like to know 
> how I update things.
> 
> I have a bunch of root keys that expire later this month, and then a lot more 
> start expiring later this year.
> 
> I've got one, COMODO RSA Root certificate that says "This root certificate is 
> not trusted", and that's whats been breaking some websites.
> 
> What's the best course of action for proceeding?
> 
> 10.9.5.
> 
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Re: 10.9.5 with Random Restarts

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Well, yes and no. 

It's true a system clock time being set badly can screw up the encryption 
services, and that's one thing that a dead internal battery will cause. I save 
installation packages for all past OSX systems, and to install them I often 
have to set the system clock way back to be within their certificates' (short) 
expiration dates. Sometimes I forget to set it back, and start getting strange 
errors like "this website's certificate is not yet valid" until I remember. But 
it doesn't cause panics.  And you would be able to figure out if that's a 
problem by just checking your current system time. Since Apple started making 
all their laptops with non-removable batteries, I don't think they even include 
a separate internal battery anymore.

If you are getting true panics, you must have panic dumps available somewhere 
in the log area, and should be able to scan those.

You should be able to examine your root certificates in Keychain Access; the 
app should be able to help you identify an untrusted one.

Another thing that can cause reboots is benign — having the installation system 
set to install updates automatically, and some of these updates require a 
reboot. Usually the symptom of this is that you wake up to find yourself back 
at the login window. Still, the system logs would also identify this as a 
reboot reason.

> On May 7, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. "easy" enough to check, I just have to ... not ... use ... my computer 
> ... for a weekend? ...
> 
> Maybe a few days midweek.
> 
> On 2020-05-07, at 11:55 AM, larkost  <mailto:kuehn.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I have no idea if this is the problem, but back when I was in the 
>> troubleshooting Macs business one problem I ran into was the PRAM battery 
>> (yes, wrong name, but...) going bad. It would cause all sorts of mysterious 
>> problems until replaced.
>> 
>> The way of checking for this was to:
>> 1. On a Friday make sure that the system time was set.
>> 2. Disconnect the computer from all network connections, and unplug it from 
>> power.
>> 3. Leave it over the weekend unplugged.
>> 4. If the time was wrong when you booted up on Monday, then you found your 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Of course this was with desktops, And a number of years ago. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is unhappy for me also; I have gotten two panics in just about a week.
>>> 
>>> Absolutely nothing odd recorded in the system log.
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, on reboot, I see this message in the log:
>>> 
>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: Failed to evaluate trust: No error. 
>>> (0), result=5; retrying with revocation checking optional
>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: failed to evaluate trust: No error. 
>>> (0), result=5; retrying with system roots
>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: Root certificate is not explicitly 
>>> trusted
>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: Unrecognized leaf certificate
>>> May  7 11:09:30 keybounceMBP SecurityAgent[215]: User info context values 
>>> set for >console
>>> May  7 11:09:30 keybounceMBP loginwindow[120]: Login Window - Returned from 
>>> Security Agent
>>> 
>>> What would make "Failure to evaluate trust: no error"?
>>> 
>>> Would this be in any way related to some https web sites now refusing to 
>>> work because the certificate chain cannot be verified (the website in 
>>> question is just fine).
>>> 
>>> OS: 10.9.5.
>>> 
>>> System crash reporter directory shows nothing. There's networking diags 
>>> from just after the reboot.
>>> 
>>> System diagnostics ... nothing new, but there was stuff from powerstats 
>>> just after midnight. There's a LOT of powerstat information over time there.
>>> 
>>> ... and a lot of wakeup and CPU dumps from firefox. Hmm.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2020-05-07, at 8:33 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Tried to find the last reboot which *I think* was between 09 & 09:30am.  
>>>> 
>>>> All I could find in the system log was that it rebooted shortly after 9:00 
>>>> am with no specified reason.  The other logs didn’t tell me anything that 
>>>> I could understand but it may be that I have the time wrong and am 
>>>> therefore looking in the wrong place.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m wondering if the best thing is to reinstall the system although that 
>>>>

Re: Random Restarts

[Macs R We]

Look at System Information for your current uptime. Compute the time of your 
last reboot. Launch Console and look at the system log, the Diagnostic Reports 
folders (2), and the CrashReporter folder to see what macOS claimed was the 
reason for the reboot.

> On May 7, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I keep getting random restarts.  Whilst I’m away from the machine it will 
> perform a restart for no reason I can determine.  I have had problems with 
> the power prefs not sticking but that appears to have been solved.
> 
> The machine feels warm but not unduly, so I don’t think it’s temperature 
> related.  I’ve scanned for malware using ClamXAV which found nothing and a 
> recent Apple Diagnostic found no problems.  I have an LG 24” 4K display 
> connected via Thunderbolt.
> 
> Gatekeeper and XProtect are up to date.
> 
> Anyone any ideas as to the cause or possible solutions?  
> 
> Mac Mini 2018, 3.2Ghz core i7; 32Gb Ram, MacOS 10.14.6
> 
> Chris
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Re: Energy Prefs

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> On May 5, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
> 
> Apparently not, so I’ve reset that as well.   One time when you really miss 
> the start-up chimes.


https://blog.macsales.com/59087-bring-back-the-mac-startup-chime-with-this-terminal-command/
 
<https://blog.macsales.com/59087-bring-back-the-mac-startup-chime-with-this-terminal-command/>

Reportedly, this command may not work on all models of Mac. However, I am 
heartened by the fact that it worked on my current Mini, which was 
factory-configured to be chime-less, 

The chime has real practical utility: to start up in Safe Mode with a wireless 
keyboard, you cannot hold down the shift key BEFORE the chime, or it will be 
disregarded; and, of course, you cannot hold it down too late. And since there 
are no more optical drives to go chunk-chunk, timing this without a chime can 
be quite a b*h.




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Re: Energy Prefs

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That shriekname is in the format of a macOS unique ID. You can see a bunch of 
them, for example, in ~/Library/Mail/V5, or inside your Photos database. 

It's probably just an old version of the plist file. It can't just rename them 
".old" and still keep all of the other .old versions, so that's what it does. 
Usually the dates tell you the history of what happened.

> On May 3, 2020, at 2:19 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi Carl:
> 
> I was looking for one with ‘energy’ in the name…..
> 
> As well as the one you mention, there are several other prefs with names like:
> 
> com.apple.PowerManagement.FF68Z3SC-D8EE8-784A-992A-7C92048094E4.plist
> 
> I’ve trashed the lot to see what happens, but why the ‘long name’ files and 
> what are they 
> referring to?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On 2 May 2020, at 19:15, Carl Hoefs  wrote:
>> 
>> /Library/Preferences/com.apple.PowerManagement.plist
>> 
>> -Carl
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> For some reason the ‘energy’ prefs refuse to stick, in particular the 
>>> switch on/off schedule refuses to work, despite having worked fine for the 
>>> last 12 months or so.
>>> 
>>> I've tried resetting the T2 chip - unplug power cord etc but this allows 
>>> the schedule to work once and then fails again.  It may be down to a 
>>> corrupted prefs file but I can’t find the particular one to delete.
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me where it is located, or any other suggestions for 
>>> fixing this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
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Re: clang++ differences between High Sierra and Catalina ?

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 

>> ∙ Is there an instance of libstdc++.dylib in /usr/lib? (High Sierra)
> 
> I don't have High Sierra anymore

In case it matters, I do, and there is — it's an alias to 
/usr/lib/libstdc++.6.0.9.dylib .

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Re: Any networking experts here?

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Yeah, if you can live with a fixed IP, this is likely to be a great solution in 
the "I'm tired of debugging this any more" case.

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:42 PM qb mailto:qbj...@mac.com>> 
> wrote:
> Have you tried a FIXED IP address as a test. If that works then to me it 
> implies something odd about whatever is serving up the DHCP.
> 
> I will test this 
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Re: Any networking experts here?

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Next step:

You mention having multiple iMacs. Does this happen on all of them, or only on 
one of them?

Try "washing" your DSL modem <http://www.macsrwe.com/blog/?p=38>. I know it 
sounds like voodoo, but these DSL units are damn freaky. (I'm envisioning a bug 
where the modem may have a reserved address configured for the problem iMac, 
and/or may be disturbed to changes in the MAC address environment for it.)

Try logging into your router with a browser. See if it keeps some sort of log, 
and what it has been saying about these connection attempts. Look at its list 
of attached devices, and check for any discrepancies (e.g., your iMac still 
showing up on its native jack even though it is gone).


> On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Macs R We  <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
> Oh, yeah. 
> 
> The big question: have you tried connecting the Mac to a different port on 
> the switch?
> 
> Good question and yes, I've tried all the open ports and even switched the 
> iMac with other devices so I was connecting it to ports I know work. 
> 
> When the IP address flashes up, does it start with the assigned range for 
> your router (usually 192.168…, or 10…, or 172.16…), or does it begin with 
> 169.254...?
> It starts with 192.168...which is the assigned range by the router
>  
> 
> What brand and model is your router?
> 
> It's whatever cable modem/router/wifi combination that came from my Verizon 
> ISP service
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Jeff Weinberger > <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:12 PM qb mailto:qbj...@mac.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Just to make sure: when the MacBook WORKS - you have the WiFi OFF right?  :-)
>> 
>> Sorry - meant to specify - yes, the wifi is off.  
>> 
>> And you mentioned other devices on the wired network - meaning plugged into 
>> the SWITCH?
>> 
>> The other wired devices on the network are all plugged into the switch. Only 
>> the iMacs and the switch are plugged into the router. There are wireless 
>> devices connected to the WiFi from the router. 
>> 
>> thx
>> 
>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Jeff Weinberger > > <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi - any help here is much appreciated!!
>> > 
>> > My iMac's (Retina 4K 21.5 inch Late 2015, OS/X 10.15.4) Ethernet will not 
>> > connect when it is connected to a switch (NetGear GS108 ProSafe 8 port 
>> > gigabit unmanaged switch) which is in turn connected to my router. It 
>> > connects fine when the iMac is connected to the router directly. Here's 
>> > what happens:
>> > 
>> > When I connect the iMac to the router, it picks up and handles the DHCP 
>> > connection as you'd expect - it gets an IP address and works fine. When I 
>> > connect the iMac to the switch, the traffic indicator lights on the switch 
>> > flash as expected, then it looks (in the Network preference pane) as 
>> > though it got an IP address then loses it and tells me either "unable to 
>> > connect" or "cable disconnected." It repeats this quick 
>> > connect-then-disconnect about every 30 seconds and cannot maintain 
>> > connection.
>> > 
>> > I have tried using different cables which I know work when connected to 
>> > other devices and to the switch, with the same outcome. If it matters, 
>> > this happens with both iMacs (my only desktops), but does not happen with 
>> > a MacBook Air (ethernet to USB-C) or any other devices on the wired 
>> > network.
>> > 
>> > My network settings are set to DHCP and the hardware port to automatic.
>> > 
>> > I am switching to a different network configuration that will require that 
>> > I connect all the devices (including the two iMacs) to the switch, so I 
>> > need to sort this one out. 
>> > 
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Re: Any networking experts here?

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Oh, yeah. 

The big question: have you tried connecting the Mac to a different port on the 
switch?

When the IP address flashes up, does it start with the assigned range for your 
router (usually 192.168…, or 10…, or 172.16…), or does it begin with 169.254...?

What brand and model is your router?



> On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Jeff Weinberger  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:12 PM qb mailto:qbj...@mac.com>> 
> wrote:
> Just to make sure: when the MacBook WORKS - you have the WiFi OFF right?  :-)
> 
> Sorry - meant to specify - yes, the wifi is off.  
> 
> And you mentioned other devices on the wired network - meaning plugged into 
> the SWITCH?
> 
> The other wired devices on the network are all plugged into the switch. Only 
> the iMacs and the switch are plugged into the router. There are wireless 
> devices connected to the WiFi from the router. 
> 
> thx
> 
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Jeff Weinberger  > <mailto:j...@jeffweinberger.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi - any help here is much appreciated!!
> > 
> > My iMac's (Retina 4K 21.5 inch Late 2015, OS/X 10.15.4) Ethernet will not 
> > connect when it is connected to a switch (NetGear GS108 ProSafe 8 port 
> > gigabit unmanaged switch) which is in turn connected to my router. It 
> > connects fine when the iMac is connected to the router directly. Here's 
> > what happens:
> > 
> > When I connect the iMac to the router, it picks up and handles the DHCP 
> > connection as you'd expect - it gets an IP address and works fine. When I 
> > connect the iMac to the switch, the traffic indicator lights on the switch 
> > flash as expected, then it looks (in the Network preference pane) as though 
> > it got an IP address then loses it and tells me either "unable to connect" 
> > or "cable disconnected." It repeats this quick connect-then-disconnect 
> > about every 30 seconds and cannot maintain connection.
> > 
> > I have tried using different cables which I know work when connected to 
> > other devices and to the switch, with the same outcome. If it matters, this 
> > happens with both iMacs (my only desktops), but does not happen with a 
> > MacBook Air (ethernet to USB-C) or any other devices on the wired network.
> > 
> > My network settings are set to DHCP and the hardware port to automatic.
> > 
> > I am switching to a different network configuration that will require that 
> > I connect all the devices (including the two iMacs) to the switch, so I 
> > need to sort this one out. 
> > 
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Re: The Amazing Vanishing Cursor!

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I think I tried right click to no success (the menu comes up, but still no 
cursor), but just to be sure, I'll try it again next time this happens.

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> This may not be related, but I have had the cursor disappear from time to 
> time on my Mac Pro desktop, with which I use a non-Apple mouse.  When my 
> cursor disappears, I can usually get it back by holding down the right mouse 
> button to make the contextual menu appear.  After letting go of the right 
> mouse button, the cursor usually stays visible (until it disappears again 
> several weeks later).  I don't know if this will help in your situation, 
> since I do not have multiple displays, but I guess you could try.  On a 
> laptop, I guess a right click is performed by holding the Control button down 
> while pressing on the track pad.  I hope this helps.
>  
> Gregg
>  
> From: Macs R We 
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2020 at 5:56 PM
> To: Talk AMUG , X Talk 
> Subject: The Amazing Vanishing Cursor!
>  
> Those of you who often run multiple physical displays on your Mac, have you 
> encountered this?
>  
> Every so often, as I'm working on something on the secondary display, some 
> operation causes my cursor to disappear. It's usually some well-defined 
> interruption, like using quick-look, or clicking a notification, or a pop-up 
> window appearing, or something like that. I don't know why the cursor would 
> disappear for any of those things, just sometimes it does.
>  
> I can move around on the trackpad, and see things in the screen wink and 
> change as the invisible cursor moves over them hovering, but no actual cursor.
>  
> I can shuttle my finger back and forth quickly, the "shake to find cursor" 
> gesture that Apple introduced in El Capitan — the oversized cursor(s) will 
> appear and do all the right things, but the moment it shrinks back down to 
> normal size, it disappears again.
>  
> The only way I have found to get the cursor visible again is to move it onto 
> the primary screen, then back onto the secondary screen. Then it's fine until 
> the next time it disappears.
>  
> Am I the only guy seeing this behavior?
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The Amazing Vanishing Cursor!

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Those of you who often run multiple physical displays on your Mac, have you 
encountered this?

Every so often, as I'm working on something on the secondary display, some 
operation causes my cursor to disappear. It's usually some well-defined 
interruption, like using quick-look, or clicking a notification, or a pop-up 
window appearing, or something like that. I don't know why the cursor would 
disappear for any of those things, just sometimes it does.

I can move around on the trackpad, and see things in the screen wink and change 
as the invisible cursor moves over them hovering, but no actual cursor.

I can shuttle my finger back and forth quickly, the "shake to find cursor" 
gesture that Apple introduced in El Capitan — the oversized cursor(s) will 
appear and do all the right things, but the moment it shrinks back down to 
normal size, it disappears again.

The only way I have found to get the cursor visible again is to move it onto 
the primary screen, then back onto the secondary screen. Then it's fine until 
the next time it disappears.

Am I the only guy seeing this behavior?

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Re: Unable to delete draft in Mail

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I agree. Potential fix method will vary depending on whether your Drafts 
mailbox is on your machine or on your ISP's server. This is the key question.

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 7:54 AM, David Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> What email service are you using?
> 
> How is Mail configured to store Drafts:
> Mail Preferences->Accounts(tab)->Your Account(list)->Mailbox 
> Behaviors(tab)->Drafts Mailbox:
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 1:52 AM, Chris Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I have a blank draft in Apple Mail which refuses to delete.  Sequence is as 
>> follows:
>> 
>> Delete draft which puts it in the trash,
>> 
>> Go to Mail -> Trash and delete.  message appears to be deleted.
>> 
>> Quit and restart Mail.  The ‘deleted’ draft is back in the draft folder.
>> 
>> Tried opening the draft and sending it as a message.  This appears to work 
>> but the bland draft is back next time I open Mail.
>> 
>> Done the same things after a restart in safe mode but no effect.
>> 
>> Anyone any ideas?  Terminal commands?  It’s not a big thing but it is 
>> irritating.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> Mojave 10.14.6  Mail Version 12.4 (3445.104.14)
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Re: [amugtalk] I do not like you, Spam-I-am.

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It turns out that the problem was just some sort of propagation delay. About an 
hour after I had whitelisted the desired addresses, Google stopped returning 
them to the spam box.  But for that hour, it appeared that the solutions I were 
trying weren't working. All seems to be well now.

> On Feb 24, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
> 
> ient with

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I do not like you, Spam-I-am.

[Macs R We]

Not really a Mac issue, but I thought someone might know.

I have a client with a Gmail problem.

All her mail from a certain small set of e-commerce senders that she really 
wants to see is getting shunted to her spambox in Gmail. For each message, 
Gmail claims it's there "because you marked it as spam from your inbox."

I can select all the messages and drag them to her Inbox. They stay there for a 
few minutes, then show up in the spambox again, with the same message.

I've logged into her gmail account with a browser and explicitly whitelisted 
those senders with (never send to spam). It doesn't change anything.

I thought maybe she had a client running elsewhere that was doing this in the 
background. She has Gmail on her Android and Windows 10 Mail on a PC at home. 
She also uses Chrome to read her mail on the web. From a cursory web search, 
none of them offer client spam filtering.

Has anybody run into this with Gmail?

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"Please don't do this, Dave..."

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I had the weirdest iPhone problem a few days ago.

I was in the passenger seat, on the road. I wanted to turn my iPhone all the 
way off. So I held down the side button, waited for "Slide to power off," and 
slid it. The screen dimmed to near black with a very faint spinner wheel on it 
for about 15 seconds, then went all the way black. I set the phone down on the 
console, and about ten seconds later it lit up bright with the black Apple, and 
rebooted.

I did this several times, and got exactly the same result.

Then I figured, maybe it's because I have the charging cable plugged in. I only 
plugged it in to charge, but the socket is also a data/music link for the 
truck, so maybe the truck is doing something that turns it on again over the 
charging cable. (I never heard of such a thing, but I don't use a lot of 
peripherals.) So I unplugged the cable, then turned it off again. It promptly 
came back on again.

The truck maintains a Bluetooth connection to my phone all the time, but I'm 
not aware that there is any sort of a wake-on-Bluetooth function… is there?  
There is no WiFi to or from the truck, and my personal hotspot is not enabled.

I tried turning if off in my bedroom last night, and it stayed off. Very 
strange.

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Re: Repairing a time machine sparsebundle

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Looks like my information was old. Version 4 couldn't do it (even after they 
claimed it would); version 5 apparently handles it well. Guess I stopped trying 
it after version 4 yelled at me.

Another source 
<https://www.finetunedmac.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=25692&Searchpage=1&Main=3008&Words=%22DiskWarrior+and+Time+Machine%22&Search=true#Post25692>
 says: 

> SuperDuper will make a file-level copy, handling multi-linked files 
> correctly, and will produce a copy without catalog damage even if the source 
> has catalog damage. (But if the source catalog is damaged, the copy may not 
> finish, and even if it finishes the new copy may have other non-catalog 
> inconsistencies that make it unusable.)

You may want to try that, especially since I think it has a free trial.


> On Jan 23, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Matt Penna  wrote:
> 
> I’m curious about this because DiskWarrior works fine for me on Time Machine 
> volumes (but I’ve never tried it on a Time Machine sparsebundle).
> 
> The only trouble I had with DiskWarrior on Time Machine drives was when it 
> was a 32-bit app and could not allocate enough memory to hold all the file 
> system structures—a showstopper with my Time Machine drive that at the time 
> had a 17GB B-tree and that definitely would not fit into the 4GB 32-bit RAM 
> limit.
> 
> Since going 64-bit in late 2014, DiskWarrior should work on all Time Machine 
> volumes.
> 
> In an ironic reversal with modern Macs, DiskWarrior can now ONLY work on Time 
> Machine drives; APFS-formatted drives drives are not supported with current 
> versions of DiskWarrior and Time Machine drives are still HFS+. (Alsoft says 
> DiskWarrior APFS support is coming soon, now that technical specs for the 
> file system have been finalized, though APFS is ostensibly robust enough to 
> not need much fixing. I know, I know…)
> 
>   Matt
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> Although all of this is true, as it turns out, I know of only one disk 
>> management tool that will even attempt to repair a Time Machine volume, 
>> because the volume architecture is so baroque -- and that is Disk Utility. 
>> If you try to repair the volume with Disk Warrior, it will flat out tell 
>> you, "this is a Time Machine volume, and I don't do those." You have to use 
>> only Disk Utility, not fsck. If DU can't solve the problem, it can't be 
>> solved.
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Matt Penna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020-01-23, at 10:23 AM, Matt Penna  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have DiskWarrior, I would give that a try. I believe it works on 
>>>>> disk images and sparsebundles.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Matt
>>>> 
>>>> I do not have disk warrior.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, whenever a drive or image is not reparable like this, I’ve 
>>> always had to resort to a 3rd-party tool to fix the file system; the 
>>> built-in tools are not very robust. Perhaps someone else will have another 
>>> suggestion.
>>> 
>>> It’s always been baffling to me that 3rd parties write better fix-it tools 
>>> than the people who write the OSes. This has been a problem for over 30 
>>> years and it’s still as unsolved as ever, even if the file systems are a 
>>> lot less fragile than they used to be.
>>> 
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Re: Repairing a time machine sparsebundle

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Although all of this is true, as it turns out, I know of only one disk 
management tool that will even attempt to repair a Time Machine volume, because 
the volume architecture is so baroque -- and that is Disk Utility. If you try 
to repair the volume with Disk Warrior, it will flat out tell you, "this is a 
Time Machine volume, and I don't do those." You have to use only Disk Utility, 
not fsck. If DU can't solve the problem, it can't be solved.

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Matt Penna  wrote:
> 
> On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Michael  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2020-01-23, at 10:23 AM, Matt Penna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you have DiskWarrior, I would give that a try. I believe it works on 
>>> disk images and sparsebundles.
>>> 
>>>Matt
>> 
>> I do not have disk warrior.
> 
> Unfortunately, whenever a drive or image is not reparable like this, I’ve 
> always had to resort to a 3rd-party tool to fix the file system; the built-in 
> tools are not very robust. Perhaps someone else will have another suggestion.
> 
> It’s always been baffling to me that 3rd parties write better fix-it tools 
> than the people who write the OSes. This has been a problem for over 30 years 
> and it’s still as unsolved as ever, even if the file systems are a lot less 
> fragile than they used to be.
> 
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Re: Possible to revive older iPad?

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20 minutes to "perform" a restore is one thing. 20 minutes before you get the 
very first screen that says "plug me into the Mac" is quite unreasonable. 

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> Oh no, that’s a very typical restore time. I’ve done countless factory 
> resets/factory restores on all manner of iOS devices and it can take up to an 
> hour sometimes. iTunes has to download a device-specific multi-gigabyte 
> image, process it internally, install it on the device, etc.
> 
> It’s not a quick process.
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> a...@andyring.com
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> If the Restore screen took 20 minutes, I'm thinking your hardware is beyond 
>> hope. It should be ROM-level quick.
>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Carl Hoefs  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I'm now following the directions given in HT204306 (hold down Home 
>>> button; connect to Mac; wait for Recovery screen).
>>> 
>>> It took about 20 minutes of holding down the Home button before the Restore 
>>> screen appeared, but it did! And now, after clicking about half a dozen 
>>> Restore buttons, iTunes actually seems to be working on the restore...
>>> 
>>> Wish me luck!
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Macs R We  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, I think your only hope is to go through the 
>>>> reinitialization steps and try to reload the OS. If that fails, the unit 
>>>> is toast.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Carl Hoefs  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2020, at 10:58 PM, Carl Hoefs 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback, guys. If it's just a battery issue, I'll 
>>>>>>> likely give it a go. But really, shouldn't it be able to boot up 
>>>>>>> without hanging when connected to power (5V 3.5A)? If so, it's more 
>>>>>>> than the battery and probably not worth it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carl,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did you try plugging it directly into a Mac and see if it’ll show up in 
>>>>>> iTunes? Or see if anything at all happens? Perhaps it needs to be 
>>>>>> factory reset with a fresh iOS installed on it, which you can do via 
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, when I connect the iPad directly into a Mac USB port, the iPad icon 
>>>>> does not show up on the iTunes GUI, but (eventually) an alert panel pops 
>>>>> up telling me to unlock the iPad with a passcode. The passcode panel 
>>>>> never shows up on the iPad, just the Apple logo with a frozen circular 
>>>>> activity icon, so there's no way I can unlock it, nor would it likely 
>>>>> stay up long enough to do anything with it in iTunes because after a 
>>>>> minute or so the iPad reboots itself. In this state is there a way to 
>>>>> reset it? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess this means the iPad itself is toast, and it's not just a battery 
>>>>> issue?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Carl
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Re: Possible to revive older iPad?

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If the Restore screen took 20 minutes, I'm thinking your hardware is beyond 
hope. It should be ROM-level quick.

> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I'm now following the directions given in HT204306 (hold down Home 
> button; connect to Mac; wait for Recovery screen).
> 
> It took about 20 minutes of holding down the Home button before the Restore 
> screen appeared, but it did! And now, after clicking about half a dozen 
> Restore buttons, iTunes actually seems to be working on the restore...
> 
> Wish me luck!
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> At this point, I think your only hope is to go through the reinitialization 
>> steps and try to reload the OS. If that fails, the unit is toast.
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2020, at 10:58 PM, Carl Hoefs 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the feedback, guys. If it's just a battery issue, I'll likely 
>>>>> give it a go. But really, shouldn't it be able to boot up without hanging 
>>>>> when connected to power (5V 3.5A)? If so, it's more than the battery and 
>>>>> probably not worth it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Carl
>>>> 
>>>> Carl,
>>>> 
>>>> Did you try plugging it directly into a Mac and see if it’ll show up in 
>>>> iTunes? Or see if anything at all happens? Perhaps it needs to be factory 
>>>> reset with a fresh iOS installed on it, which you can do via computer.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andy,
>>> 
>>> Okay, when I connect the iPad directly into a Mac USB port, the iPad icon 
>>> does not show up on the iTunes GUI, but (eventually) an alert panel pops up 
>>> telling me to unlock the iPad with a passcode. The passcode panel never 
>>> shows up on the iPad, just the Apple logo with a frozen circular activity 
>>> icon, so there's no way I can unlock it, nor would it likely stay up long 
>>> enough to do anything with it in iTunes because after a minute or so the 
>>> iPad reboots itself. In this state is there a way to reset it? 
>>> 
>>> I guess this means the iPad itself is toast, and it's not just a battery 
>>> issue?
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>>> 
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Re: Possible to revive older iPad?

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At this point, I think your only hope is to go through the reinitialization 
steps and try to reload the OS. If that fails, the unit is toast.

> On Jan 21, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 20, 2020, at 10:58 PM, Carl Hoefs  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the feedback, guys. If it's just a battery issue, I'll likely 
>>> give it a go. But really, shouldn't it be able to boot up without hanging 
>>> when connected to power (5V 3.5A)? If so, it's more than the battery and 
>>> probably not worth it.
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>> 
>> Carl,
>> 
>> Did you try plugging it directly into a Mac and see if it’ll show up in 
>> iTunes? Or see if anything at all happens? Perhaps it needs to be factory 
>> reset with a fresh iOS installed on it, which you can do via computer.
>> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> Okay, when I connect the iPad directly into a Mac USB port, the iPad icon 
> does not show up on the iTunes GUI, but (eventually) an alert panel pops up 
> telling me to unlock the iPad with a passcode. The passcode panel never shows 
> up on the iPad, just the Apple logo with a frozen circular activity icon, so 
> there's no way I can unlock it, nor would it likely stay up long enough to do 
> anything with it in iTunes because after a minute or so the iPad reboots 
> itself. In this state is there a way to reset it? 
> 
> I guess this means the iPad itself is toast, and it's not just a battery 
> issue?
> 
> -Carl
> 
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Re: Possible to revive older iPad?

[Macs R We]

Call up a couple of U-Break-I-Fix or CrackedUP franchises around you and ask 
when they would charge to install a new battery. It shouldn't be so prohibitive.

> On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> I have an older iPad A1430 that has a nearly-dead battery. It powers on with 
> the "dead battery" icon, and when connected to a charger, it charges for a 
> while then enters the boot-up process. It hangs during the Apple logo with a 
> frozen little rotating activity icon. It then reboots and repeats this cycle 
> over and over.
> 
> Is there any way to get the battery to charge? I've had it on the charger for 
> days, and it just goes through the above sequence repeatedly. Is the process 
> for replacing the battery to remove the front screen?
> 
> Or, is this iPad toast? Shouldn't it be able to boot up connected to power 
> (5V 3.5A) even with a weak or dead battery?
> 
> -Carl
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Re: problem with Calculator app

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I don't know the guts of MacOS, but on machines I have worked on as a 
developer, there are often several flavors of "math library," some specific to 
computer languages, others to execution environments. I wouldn't have any 
problem believing that C code uses a different set of libraries from what the 
MacOS itself uses. And this entire kerfuffle smells like a library 
incompatibility between releases.

Eight. Keeryst.

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Carl Hoefs  wrote:
> 
> I can't get the NaN result from C code running on Mojave using the various 
> exp() function calls.
> 
> > expf: 0.367879
> > exp:  0.3678794411714423
> > expl: 0.3678794411714423216101625679907982657823595218360424041748046875
> 
> I remember that once upon a time the source code for Calculator.app was 
> available so you could modify it. It would be very telling to see how they're 
> calling exp()!
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Huh. I did the same experiment — copied Calculator from my Sierra Mini to my 
>> Mojave Mini and ran the sequence. As you did, I got Not a number, same as 
>> the native Calculator.
>> 
>> Then I did it again, copying it to my High Sierra MBP.
>> 
>> I got "8".   😱
>> 
>> No fooling. I've done it a half dozen times using different sequences of 
>> keystrokes (voodoo, to be sure, but one should make the trial).
>> 
>> Something is clearly rancid here.
>> 
>> All the responses I got back from AMUG were consistent: "Not a Number" on HS 
>> or M, the correct number everywhere else.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Carl Hoefs >> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that would seem to indicate that a macOS system RTL or framework has a 
>>> huge bug! 
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andy Ringsmuth >>> <mailto:a...@andyring.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just tried that. Still “not a number” answer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Andy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Carl Hoefs >>>> <mailto:newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> An interesting test would be to take the Calculator.app from Sierra and 
>>>>> run it on Mojave.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Carl
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:59, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>>>>>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A friend just told me that it works on his Catalina mac, so perhaps 
>>>>>>> they fixed it in the latest OS.  I do not have any Catalina machines, 
>>>>>>> so I can't check that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Catalina here and both input work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jean-Christophe Helary
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com 
>>>>>> <http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/> @brandelune
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Re: problem with Calculator app

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Huh. I did the same experiment — copied Calculator from my Sierra Mini to my 
Mojave Mini and ran the sequence. As you did, I got Not a number, same as the 
native Calculator.

Then I did it again, copying it to my High Sierra MBP.

I got "8".   😱

No fooling. I've done it a half dozen times using different sequences of 
keystrokes (voodoo, to be sure, but one should make the trial).

Something is clearly rancid here.

All the responses I got back from AMUG were consistent: "Not a Number" on HS or 
M, the correct number everywhere else.



> On Jan 9, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Carl Hoefs  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that would seem to indicate that a macOS system RTL or framework has a 
> huge bug! 
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>> 
>> Just tried that. Still “not a number” answer.
>> 
>> 
>> -Andy
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> An interesting test would be to take the Calculator.app from Sierra and run 
>>> it on Mojave.
>>> 
>>> -Carl
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:59, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A friend just told me that it works on his Catalina mac, so perhaps they 
>>>>> fixed it in the latest OS.  I do not have any Catalina machines, so I 
>>>>> can't check that.
>>>> 
>>>> Catalina here and both input work.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean-Christophe Helary
>>>> ---
>>>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
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Re: problem with Calculator app

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I'm currently crowdsourcing a trial from AMUG members. Not many answers in yet, 
but all were as expected; the one Catalina guy so far saw the numeric answer.

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:59 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think you are onto something.  I have now tried this on 3 macs that are 
> running Mojave and all give Not a number.  I then tried this on 3 other macs 
> that are all running Sierra and all give the correct numeric answer.  So it 
> certainly looks possible that some bug was introduced in High Sierra and 
> continued in Mojave.
> 
> A friend just told me that it works on his Catalina mac, so perhaps they 
> fixed it in the latest OS.  I do not have any Catalina machines, so I can't 
> check that.
> 
> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 9:29 PM
> To: Gregg Dinse mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>
> Cc: X Talk mailto:macosx-talk@omnigroup.com>>
> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
> 
> This is fascinating. 
> 
> My mid-2015 MBP on High Sierra and my Mini 2018 on Mojave both give Not a 
> Number. 
> 
> My mid-2011 Mini and 2017 MBA, both on Sierra, give a numeric answer, as do 
> both our iPhones.
> 
> So because I'm now fascinated by this bug, I rebooted my MBP onto Sierra and… 
> got a numeric answer.
> 
> It's looking a lot like a bug introduced in High Sierra. I wonder what 
> release the guy in the Apple store was running… maybe they fixed it in 
> Catalina.
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess it's sounding more like a software problem than a hardware problem...
>> 
>> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 8:26 PM
>> To: Gregg Dinse mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>
>> Cc: "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
>> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
>> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>> 
>> I get Not a Number using either your keystrokes or mine. This is weird.
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My problem machine is at the office.  I'm at home now and the Calculator 
>>> app works fine on that mac.
>>> 
>>> I guess there are multiple ways to calculate exp(-1).  What I have been 
>>> doing is the following.  I open the Calculator app and set View/Scientific. 
>>>  I click on 1, then the +/- key, and then the eˣ key.  At home, the results 
>>> field shows 1, and then -1, and then 0.367879... as I click those 3 keys.  
>>> At the office, I got 1 and then -1 and then "Not a number".  As you noted, 
>>> another way to calculate exp(-1) is to click the minus sign, then 1, then 
>>> the equals sign, and then the eˣ key.  This gives the correct response at 
>>> home, but I did not try that at the office.  In any event, both should 
>>> function properly and at least one does not give the correct answer on my 
>>> iMac at the office.
>>> 
>>> Over the next day or two, I will boot my iMac at the office from an 
>>> external disk with a version of the OS for which the Calculator app works 
>>> fine when booting at home.  Hopefully this will help me figure out if it's 
>>> a hardware or software problem.
>>> 
>>> Gregg
>>> 
>>> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:48 PM
>>> To: C D Tavares mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>>> Cc: Gregg Dinse mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>, 
>>> "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
>>> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>>> 
>>> The ironic part is that I just tried the sequence myself:
>>> 
>>> -   1   =   eˣ
>>> 
>>> and got "Not a Number."😳
>>> 
>>> (High Sierra, MBP 2015)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Macs R We >>> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On the other hand, if it's clearly your hardware, you may have a much 
>>>> easier time of wangling a free repair or replacement from Apple.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>>>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>&

Re: problem with Calculator app

[Macs R We]

This is fascinating. 

My mid-2015 MBP on High Sierra and my Mini 2018 on Mojave both give Not a 
Number. 

My mid-2011 Mini and 2017 MBA, both on Sierra, give a numeric answer, as do 
both our iPhones.

So because I'm now fascinated by this bug, I rebooted my MBP onto Sierra and… 
got a numeric answer.

It's looking a lot like a bug introduced in High Sierra. I wonder what release 
the guy in the Apple store was running… maybe they fixed it in Catalina.

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess it's sounding more like a software problem than a hardware problem...
> 
> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 8:26 PM
> To: Gregg Dinse mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>
> Cc: "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
> 
> I get Not a Number using either your keystrokes or mine. This is weird.
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>> 
>> My problem machine is at the office.  I'm at home now and the Calculator app 
>> works fine on that mac.
>> 
>> I guess there are multiple ways to calculate exp(-1).  What I have been 
>> doing is the following.  I open the Calculator app and set View/Scientific.  
>> I click on 1, then the +/- key, and then the eˣ key.  At home, the results 
>> field shows 1, and then -1, and then 0.367879... as I click those 3 keys.  
>> At the office, I got 1 and then -1 and then "Not a number".  As you noted, 
>> another way to calculate exp(-1) is to click the minus sign, then 1, then 
>> the equals sign, and then the eˣ key.  This gives the correct response at 
>> home, but I did not try that at the office.  In any event, both should 
>> function properly and at least one does not give the correct answer on my 
>> iMac at the office.
>> 
>> Over the next day or two, I will boot my iMac at the office from an external 
>> disk with a version of the OS for which the Calculator app works fine when 
>> booting at home.  Hopefully this will help me figure out if it's a hardware 
>> or software problem.
>> 
>> Gregg
>> 
>> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:48 PM
>> To: C D Tavares mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>> Cc: Gregg Dinse mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>, 
>> "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
>> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
>> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>> 
>> The ironic part is that I just tried the sequence myself:
>> 
>> -   1   =   eˣ
>> 
>> and got "Not a Number."😳
>> 
>> (High Sierra, MBP 2015)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Macs R We >> <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, if it's clearly your hardware, you may have a much 
>>> easier time of wangling a free repair or replacement from Apple.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I should be able to do this, but probably not 
>>>> today.  I never even thought about the hardware being the problem.  That 
>>>> is upsetting.
>>>>  
>>>> Gregg
>>>>  
>>>> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 at 3:40 PM
>>>> To: "Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C]" >>> <mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>
>>>> Cc: "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
>>>> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>>>>  
>>>> What's scary about this is that the response "not a number" is often a 
>>>> response directly from the hardware.
>>>>  
>>>> If, like me, you are lucky enough to have on hand an external drive with 
>>>> relatively virgin copies of various Apple operating systems, you could 
>>>> boot one of them and see if you get the same result. It's possible that 
>>>> you will get this result no matter which operating system you boot on that 
>>>> hardware, whereas if you take the same drive and boot someone else's Mac 
>>>>

Re: problem with Calculator app

[Macs R We]

I get Not a Number using either your keystrokes or mine. This is weird.

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> My problem machine is at the office.  I'm at home now and the Calculator app 
> works fine on that mac.
> 
> I guess there are multiple ways to calculate exp(-1).  What I have been doing 
> is the following.  I open the Calculator app and set View/Scientific.  I 
> click on 1, then the +/- key, and then the eˣ key.  At home, the results 
> field shows 1, and then -1, and then 0.367879... as I click those 3 keys.  At 
> the office, I got 1 and then -1 and then "Not a number".  As you noted, 
> another way to calculate exp(-1) is to click the minus sign, then 1, then the 
> equals sign, and then the eˣ key.  This gives the correct response at home, 
> but I did not try that at the office.  In any event, both should function 
> properly and at least one does not give the correct answer on my iMac at the 
> office.
> 
> Over the next day or two, I will boot my iMac at the office from an external 
> disk with a version of the OS for which the Calculator app works fine when 
> booting at home.  Hopefully this will help me figure out if it's a hardware 
> or software problem.
> 
> Gregg
> 
> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:48 PM
> To: C D Tavares mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
> Cc: Gregg Dinse mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>, 
> "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
> 
> The ironic part is that I just tried the sequence myself:
> 
> -   1   =   eˣ
> 
> and got "Not a Number."😳
> 
> (High Sierra, MBP 2015)
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Macs R We > <mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On the other hand, if it's clearly your hardware, you may have a much easier 
>> time of wangling a free repair or replacement from Apple.
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I should be able to do this, but probably not 
>>> today.  I never even thought about the hardware being the problem.  That is 
>>> upsetting.
>>>  
>>> Gregg
>>>  
>>> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 at 3:40 PM
>>> To: "Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C]" >> <mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>
>>> Cc: "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
>>> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>>>  
>>> What's scary about this is that the response "not a number" is often a 
>>> response directly from the hardware.
>>>  
>>> If, like me, you are lucky enough to have on hand an external drive with 
>>> relatively virgin copies of various Apple operating systems, you could boot 
>>> one of them and see if you get the same result. It's possible that you will 
>>> get this result no matter which operating system you boot on that hardware, 
>>> whereas if you take the same drive and boot someone else's Mac with it, you 
>>> may get proper results. That would pretty definitively show that the 
>>> problem is your chip.
>>>  
>>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>>>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  
>>>> I am running the latest version of Mojave (10.14.6) on a fairly new iMac.  
>>>> Using the Scientific view in the Calculator app, I tried to evaluate 
>>>> exp(-1) and it said "Not a number".  I tried several other negative values 
>>>> and none worked, even though they certainly should.  When I tried taking 
>>>> 10 to the -1 power, I got the correct result (0.1), but for some reason it 
>>>> has a problem raising "e" (the base for natural logarithms) to a negative 
>>>> power.
>>>>  
>>>> I tried quitting the app, but that did not help.  I tried rebooting my 
>>>> mac, but that did not help.  I contacted our support group and they said 
>>>> the only thing they could do is to reinstall the operating system, which 
>>>> seems like a drastic step.  And exp(-1) worked just fine on the support 
>>>> person's mac.
>>>>  
>>>> Is there anything else that someone can suggest, short of reinstalling the 
>>>> OS?  The support person said that we could not simply replace the 
>>>> Calculator app because it was part of the OS.  Any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>  
>>>> Gregg
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Re: problem with Calculator app

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The ironic part is that I just tried the sequence myself:

-   1   =   eˣ

and got "Not a Number."😳

(High Sierra, MBP 2015)


> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
> 
> On the other hand, if it's clearly your hardware, you may have a much easier 
> time of wangling a free repair or replacement from Apple.
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion.  I should be able to do this, but probably not 
>> today.  I never even thought about the hardware being the problem.  That is 
>> upsetting.
>>  
>> Gregg
>>  
>> From: Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 at 3:40 PM
>> To: "Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C]" > <mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>>
>> Cc: "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com <mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>" 
>> mailto:MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com>>
>> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>>  
>> What's scary about this is that the response "not a number" is often a 
>> response directly from the hardware.
>>  
>> If, like me, you are lucky enough to have on hand an external drive with 
>> relatively virgin copies of various Apple operating systems, you could boot 
>> one of them and see if you get the same result. It's possible that you will 
>> get this result no matter which operating system you boot on that hardware, 
>> whereas if you take the same drive and boot someone else's Mac with it, you 
>> may get proper results. That would pretty definitively show that the problem 
>> is your chip.
>>  
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>> mailto:di...@niehs.nih.gov>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I am running the latest version of Mojave (10.14.6) on a fairly new iMac.  
>> Using the Scientific view in the Calculator app, I tried to evaluate exp(-1) 
>> and it said "Not a number".  I tried several other negative values and none 
>> worked, even though they certainly should.  When I tried taking 10 to the -1 
>> power, I got the correct result (0.1), but for some reason it has a problem 
>> raising "e" (the base for natural logarithms) to a negative power.
>>  
>> I tried quitting the app, but that did not help.  I tried rebooting my mac, 
>> but that did not help.  I contacted our support group and they said the only 
>> thing they could do is to reinstall the operating system, which seems like a 
>> drastic step.  And exp(-1) worked just fine on the support person's mac.
>>  
>> Is there anything else that someone can suggest, short of reinstalling the 
>> OS?  The support person said that we could not simply replace the Calculator 
>> app because it was part of the OS.  Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Gregg

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Re: What would be an equivalent to Time Capsule now ?

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I agree. The Time Capsule suffers from the same problem as an "all in one" 
stereo system. You can get much more capable routers nowadays, for much less. 
And for a long time, there have been many capable network-attached storage 
boxes (which is all the other side of the TC was), the main problem having been 
that the odd stuff Time Machine wants to do would often make the third-party 
ones cake the bed. But now that any Apple computer can be a central Time 
Machine server, it's time to retire the big white boxes.

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Neil Laubenthal  wrote:
> 
> A Time Capsule is just an AirPort Extreme (or maybe just an Airport depending 
> on it’s age) with a drive built in…I think in the setup you can set up hours 
> when MAC addresses can connect…or maybe you have to do it by device names, 
> can’t remember. However…unless I’m misremembering you can set up rules for 
> when connections are allowed to particular devices.
> 
> At this point though…the Airport line is getting pretty long in the tooth and 
> not up to the latest standards so it might be time to rejigger your setup a 
> bit. There are many fine wifi routers these days and setting up so a 
> particular device alway gets the same IP from the DHCP server and then 
> limiting access hours for particular IPs or names or MAC addresses is easy. 
> Of course…that would knock out your ability to use it for Time Machine…but if 
> you have any Mac that is always on like an iMac or a mini or whatever…you can 
> just stick a USB drive on it and use it instead of the Time Capsule for the 
> TM destination. That’s what I do with my mini…and drives are cheap…I’e gone 
> to almost exclusively 2.5 inch drives for this…I like the Seagate Backup Plus 
> brand…a 4TB model is in the 100 buck range. My mini is the file server in our 
> RV and has one of these attached to serve as both data and TM 
> destination…along with 3 others that get CarbonCopyCloner duplicates at 
> various times through the week and another 2 that live out in the car and 
> truck so we kinda/sorta/best we can do have an “offsite” backup as well. 
> We’re moving out of the RV in the next few months after 8 years of full time 
> travel and back into a normal house with real high speed internet and 
> unlimited bandwidth and I’ll be rejiggering my backup scheme as well so 
> there’s a cloud backup in addition to the in-house and in the car ones.
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>> > <mailto:jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> turn it off in the evening so that the kids don't spend too much time on 
>> their devices in bed.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: problem with Calculator app

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 4:54 PM, George N. White III  wrote:
>> I am running the latest version of Mojave (10.14.6) on a fairly new iMac.  
>> Using the Scientific view in the Calculator app, I tried to evaluate exp(-1) 
>> and it said "Not a number".  I tried several other negative values and none 
>> worked, even though they certainly should.  When I tried taking 10 to the -1 
>> power, I got the correct result (0.1), but for some reason it has a problem 
>> raising "e" (the base for natural logarithms) to a negative power.
>> 
> 
> I've encountered similar issues when the "minus" sign was some Unicode "dash" 
> supplied by an overly helpful editor like MacOS textedit.  Living in Canada, 
> I have found that systems sometimes produce the look-alike characters when 
> trying to write in the French language.   

Great catch.  Check your Keyboard preference panel for unexpected key 
translations.

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Re: problem with Calculator app

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On the other hand, if it's clearly your hardware, you may have a much easier 
time of wangling a free repair or replacement from Apple.

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I should be able to do this, but probably not 
> today.  I never even thought about the hardware being the problem.  That is 
> upsetting.
>  
> Gregg
>  
> From: Macs R We 
> Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 at 3:40 PM
> To: "Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C]" 
> Cc: "MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com" 
> Subject: Re: problem with Calculator app
>  
> What's scary about this is that the response "not a number" is often a 
> response directly from the hardware.
>  
> If, like me, you are lucky enough to have on hand an external drive with 
> relatively virgin copies of various Apple operating systems, you could boot 
> one of them and see if you get the same result. It's possible that you will 
> get this result no matter which operating system you boot on that hardware, 
> whereas if you take the same drive and boot someone else's Mac with it, you 
> may get proper results. That would pretty definitively show that the problem 
> is your chip.
>  
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I am running the latest version of Mojave (10.14.6) on a fairly new iMac.  
> Using the Scientific view in the Calculator app, I tried to evaluate exp(-1) 
> and it said "Not a number".  I tried several other negative values and none 
> worked, even though they certainly should.  When I tried taking 10 to the -1 
> power, I got the correct result (0.1), but for some reason it has a problem 
> raising "e" (the base for natural logarithms) to a negative power.
>  
> I tried quitting the app, but that did not help.  I tried rebooting my mac, 
> but that did not help.  I contacted our support group and they said the only 
> thing they could do is to reinstall the operating system, which seems like a 
> drastic step.  And exp(-1) worked just fine on the support person's mac.
>  
> Is there anything else that someone can suggest, short of reinstalling the 
> OS?  The support person said that we could not simply replace the Calculator 
> app because it was part of the OS.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
>  
> Gregg
>  
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Re: problem with Calculator app

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What's scary about this is that the response "not a number" is often a response 
directly from the hardware.

If, like me, you are lucky enough to have on hand an external drive with 
relatively virgin copies of various Apple operating systems, you could boot one 
of them and see if you get the same result. It's possible that you will get 
this result no matter which operating system you boot on that hardware, whereas 
if you take the same drive and boot someone else's Mac with it, you may get 
proper results. That would pretty definitively show that the problem is your 
chip.

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Dinse, Gregg (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I am running the latest version of Mojave (10.14.6) on a fairly new iMac.  
> Using the Scientific view in the Calculator app, I tried to evaluate exp(-1) 
> and it said "Not a number".  I tried several other negative values and none 
> worked, even though they certainly should.  When I tried taking 10 to the -1 
> power, I got the correct result (0.1), but for some reason it has a problem 
> raising "e" (the base for natural logarithms) to a negative power.
>  
> I tried quitting the app, but that did not help.  I tried rebooting my mac, 
> but that did not help.  I contacted our support group and they said the only 
> thing they could do is to reinstall the operating system, which seems like a 
> drastic step.  And exp(-1) worked just fine on the support person's mac.
>  
> Is there anything else that someone can suggest, short of reinstalling the 
> OS?  The support person said that we could not simply replace the Calculator 
> app because it was part of the OS.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
>  
> Gregg
>  
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Re: What would be an equivalent to Time Capsule now ?

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Neil Laubenthal  wrote:
> 
> And why would you recommend sticking with Sierra instead of High Sierra or 
> Mojave or even Catalina. Server app is no longer needed, I think that change 
> came along with High Sierra but definitely by Mojave. My mini running Mojave 
> has been happily serving as my print server, file server, and TM server for 
> years


True dat, but it was in High Sierra when Apple gutted Server 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208312>, so anybody running (or who may in 
the future want to run) one of the services OTHER than TM, download caching, or 
print server wants to stay on Sierra at most.

Our family used a mid-2011 Mini for years as a family server. It was set up for 
TM and caching, of course, but was also set up as a calendar server so we could 
share calendars without putting all our business on the cloud. When Apple 
finally got around to updating the Mini line, we bought one to replace our 
sagging 2011, but it ran Mojave. Despite Apple's assurances that "customers can 
get these same services directly from open-source providers," Mac calendar 
server packages were either Unix ports that sucked, were highly limited, and 
usually wouldn't even install, or pricey subscription packages that required 
Outlook Server. After a bootless period of utter failure, we decided to keep 
our 2011 running in a corner of the house as nothing but a calendar server, 
while the new Mini runs TM, file caching, and 1Password syncing (which was 
never part of Server anyway).

So there's my data point.

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Re: Make all screens but 1 to go dark

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The Mac didn't have multiple "desktop" support (Mission Control, née Spaces) 
until around then, but it had multiple display support since System 7 or 
whatever.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2019-12-30, at 1:42 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lets just say that Apple's virtual desktop design was not the best choice, 
>>> okay? (Back before it became part of the OS, was it 10.5?, there were third 
>>> party apps that gave virtual desktops with different behaviors.)
>> 
>> Apple had multiple screens in the OS since years before OS X, and frankly 
>> the interface and semantics haven't changed a whole lot from then until now.
> 
> I know that in 10.4, it was possible to use a third party virtual desktop 
> program, and that there were several that had different behaviors. I do not 
> remember that it had an OS provided one.
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Re: Make all screens but 1 to go dark

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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Lets just say that Apple's virtual desktop design was not the best choice, 
> okay? (Back before it became part of the OS, was it 10.5?, there were third 
> party apps that gave virtual desktops with different behaviors.)

Apple had multiple screens in the OS since years before OS X, and frankly the 
interface and semantics haven't changed a whole lot from then until now.
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Re: Make all screens but 1 to go dark

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Here's another avenue:

http://macguitar.me/apps/pixelcheck/

Create an extra desktop on the screen you want to watch your video on.

Launch PiXel Check. Choose black. It will black out all your monitors. Now 
sideswipe to your extra desktop and start your video.

Sweet.




> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
> 
> Use mission control to create a desktop or the other screens, and make its 
> wallpaper black. If you want to darken the screens, just mouse to them and 
> scroll sideways to the black desktop. 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a MacPro ("ashcan") that supports up to 6 monitors. I have multiple 
>> large-screen monitors running right now, but I'd like to be able to have all 
>> but one go dark (black), such as when I'm watching a full-screen video on 
>> one monitor. The others being on are quite a distraction so I'd like to 
>> "blank" them for that purpose.
>> 
>> Is there any keyboard shortcut (or other way) to do this (on Mojave)? 
>> 
>> - I know the ctrl-shift-eject combo but that causes all screens to go dark.
>> - And if I *gasp* turn off the other monitors macOS thinks they're no longer 
>> connected and scrambles all of my carefully placed windows onto one.
>> - I'm skipping the upgrade to macOS Catalina completely. It's Horrorville.
>> 
>> -Carl
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Re: Make all screens but 1 to go dark

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You're not going to have any desktop icons on sidecar screens unless you place 
some there. You will have a menu bar, but semitransparent over a black 
background, which should be well within tolerable standards if all you are 
tying to do is avoid distraction.

I'm assuming here you're not running mirrored screens, but extension screens. 
If you're running mirrored screens, you're kinda cutting our own throat.

> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Interesting idea. But wallpaper doesn't get rid of the desktop icons 
> etc. I guess I would need a floating large black JPG or some such hack...? 
> 
> I would have thought that with macOS's multiple monitor / multiple desktop 
> support there would surely be a way to blank certain monitors.
> 
> -Carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> Use mission control to create a desktop or the other screens, and make its 
>> wallpaper black. If you want to darken the screens, just mouse to them and 
>> scroll sideways to the black desktop. 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Carl Hoefs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a MacPro ("ashcan") that supports up to 6 monitors. I have multiple 
>>> large-screen monitors running right now, but I'd like to be able to have 
>>> all but one go dark (black), such as when I'm watching a full-screen video 
>>> on one monitor. The others being on are quite a distraction so I'd like to 
>>> "blank" them for that purpose.
>>> 
>>> Is there any keyboard shortcut (or other way) to do this (on Mojave)? 
>>> 
>>> - I know the ctrl-shift-eject combo but that causes all screens to go dark.
>>> - And if I *gasp* turn off the other monitors macOS thinks they're no 
>>> longer connected and scrambles all of my carefully placed windows onto one.
>>> - I'm skipping the upgrade to macOS Catalina completely. It's Horrorville.
>>> 
>>> -Carl
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Re: Make all screens but 1 to go dark

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Use mission control to create a desktop or the other screens, and make its 
wallpaper black. If you want to darken the screens, just mouse to them and 
scroll sideways to the black desktop. 

> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Carl Hoefs  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a MacPro ("ashcan") that supports up to 6 monitors. I have multiple 
> large-screen monitors running right now, but I'd like to be able to have all 
> but one go dark (black), such as when I'm watching a full-screen video on one 
> monitor. The others being on are quite a distraction so I'd like to "blank" 
> them for that purpose.
> 
> Is there any keyboard shortcut (or other way) to do this (on Mojave)? 
> 
> - I know the ctrl-shift-eject combo but that causes all screens to go dark.
> - And if I *gasp* turn off the other monitors macOS thinks they're no longer 
> connected and scrambles all of my carefully placed windows onto one.
> - I'm skipping the upgrade to macOS Catalina completely. It's Horrorville.
> 
> -Carl
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Re: Aruba, Jamaica, but never Catalina

[Macs R We]

I have assiduously kept my distance from Catalina because I don't consider it 
ready for prime time. If its response to the accidental invocation of 32 bit 
apps is to crash rather than to show a dialog box, that only further justifies 
my decision. 

That having been said, the customer made an economic decision. He cannot 
replicate the crash on demand, so it's indeterminate for me to be able to 
certify that any given problem I fix removes the cause of it. We have already 
been through this route once, when I removed a tenacious piece of spyware from 
his machine that showed up in every one of his crash logs, thinking it was the 
cause of the problem, and after I had left, it wasn't.

So the client has told me he wants to revert to Mojave, and that's what he 
tasked me to do.

Yeah, I see that I typed iPhoto. In fact I personally still use iPhoto on my 
High Sierra machine, because when Photos was released, it didn't have anything 
near the functionality of iPhoto. It's probably time for me to try it again and 
see if Photos has grown up sufficiently.

> On Dec 23, 2019, at 12:06 AM, Scot Hacker  wrote:
> 
> 
> > the big three of which are Mail, iPhoto, and iTunes.
> 
> As you know, iTunes was converted over to the new Music app. I know that they 
> ditched the .xml companion format for the music library (frustrating DJs 
> everywhere). However, I see that in Catalina, there's a new ~/Music/Music 
> folder where the new library format lives, alongside the old ~/Music/iTunes. 
> The old iTunes library files appear not to have been touched.
> 
> Don't know about Photos and Mail  (wait, iPhoto? That was eons ago...). 
> Photos did receive a lot of upgrades but the first launch was quick so it 
> didn't seem like the library was being converted.
> 
> Isn't most likely that your client's crashes are being caused because they 
> still have some old 32-bit software installed? Mightn't it be cleaner to 
> search-and-destroy the old software than to take this drastic step backwards?
> 
> ./s
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1:21 PM Macs R We  wrote:
>> I have a client who, bullied by the incessant nag messages from Apple to 
>> upgrade his iMac to Catalina, did so. Now he is experiencing random crashes 
>> and wants to downgrade back to Mojave. Of course, he has no backup history.
>> 
>> I can save his current system off via Time Machine or clone, and then 
>> reinitialize his iMac to Mojave, though I realize I run the risk of file 
>> migration refusing to migrate in that direction. If that occurs, the best I 
>> will be able to do is a whole-blood transfusion of his home folder, which at 
>> best may leave a few facilities ajar.
>> 
>> It will be worse if Catalina made major format changes to any of the 
>> centralized user data catalogs, the big three of which are Mail, iPhoto, and 
>> iTunes.
>> 
>> Can someone who has installed Catalina tell me if any of those three apps 
>> issued a "please wait while I reformat your database" message when they 
>> upgraded?
>> 
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>> in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas.
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Aruba, Jamaica, but never Catalina

[Macs R We]

I have a client who, bullied by the incessant nag messages from Apple to 
upgrade his iMac to Catalina, did so. Now he is experiencing random crashes and 
wants to downgrade back to Mojave. Of course, he has no backup history.

I can save his current system off via Time Machine or clone, and then 
reinitialize his iMac to Mojave, though I realize I run the risk of file 
migration refusing to migrate in that direction. If that occurs, the best I 
will be able to do is a whole-blood transfusion of his home folder, which at 
best may leave a few facilities ajar.

It will be worse if Catalina made major format changes to any of the 
centralized user data catalogs, the big three of which are Mail, iPhoto, and 
iTunes.

Can someone who has installed Catalina tell me if any of those three apps 
issued a "please wait while I reformat your database" message when they 
upgraded?

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in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas.
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Re: Looking for an app that limits communication when tethering

[Macs R We]

Yeah, but none of my glowing feature recommendations apply to it because I 
haven't used it. :-)

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, it happens that there is a version of MenuMeters that works on 10.11+ 
> Hosted in Github.
> 
> JC
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:44, Macs R We  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, I screwed up. I have no idea why I typed MenuMeters. What I use is 
>> iStat Menus, which is strongly supported and works fine in my experience up 
>> to 10.14 (I'm not touching Catalina until I absolutely have to).
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