trade in
hi all, as i hear the new macbooks the uni body ones have the touchpad that can use gestures, can i trade in this perfectly working mac i wonder, at my UK apple store for one of those? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trade in
Sadly, no. If that were the case my partner would have beaten a path to the Waikiki store weeks ago. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:12 PM, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.comwrote: hi all, as i hear the new macbooks the uni body ones have the touchpad that can use gestures, can i trade in this perfectly working mac i wonder, at my UK apple store for one of those? -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Universal design
Hi, I couldn't agree with you more as regards Apple and its efforts toward universal access. I understand the feeling you must have when the kid went off to school with a new talking iPod as, when I worked at HJ/FS, i was well aware that every new copy of JAWS that went out the door probably meant that someone got a job, is starting in college or furthering their scholastic life with a good tool. This was pounded into our heads by Ted Henter to whom every customer was special. Things became less satisfying in the FS days as, when Ted was in charge, he would virtually shut down the software engineering department until we fixed a bug or two for a single customer who had trouble doing his job. Now it's all about monthly/quarterly revenue figures than about the end user. It's sad but I neither own the company nor do I work there anymore. As regards other companies who make somewhat accessible items, the community should reward them in proportion to the number of features we can use versus those we cannot. If a product is 25% accessible for people with vision impairment, then we should give them a 25% pat on the back while handing them a list of the 75% of the features that they need to improve. Often, especially on iPhone and Windows Mobile, a program will be accessible, at least in part, because the API gives a lot of automatic accessibility so some of the software out there will b usable by default. I think the authors of such software should be contacted and applauded even if they didn't know they made an accessible application as it may help convince them to work with the community in the future to ensure their accessibility continues. Some companies or groups within a company are virtually hostile to our requests for accessibility. I have found that the entire product line from Intuit works very poorly with any and all screen readers but no matter how many emails and phone calls later, they refuse to give the screen reader authors even the tiniest crumb. Intuit and companies like it may require the stick as all of the carrots we've supplied were spit back out. cdh On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:07 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Chris and all: Yes, I am a fan of more carrots and less stick if possible. Sticks are easy to make though I do not know anyone who enjoys being hit by one no matter how worthy or just the cause (grin). The best way to accomplish what is desired is to reward apple for their innovation with both financial and public support. As a trainer there is nothing cooler than showing a parent a talking ipod, having them purchase one for their child, having the child take it to school and the child being queen or king for the day and possibly longer (grin). That is priceless and customer loyalty will be established forever (grin). And just think, people thought it just played music (grin). On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: It would also be nice, albeit unmeasurable, that Apple would be rewarded for implementing universal design. I could then point to it as an example of what happens when a company does things right. I have lots of examples of when companies do things wrong (Target, PriceLine, Ramada and recently CVS). I'd like more carrot and less stick when I do presentations to developers or at conferences. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hello Chris the Other, I agree with your thoughts on universal design. Six or seven years ago we found that a lot of rehab counselors were downloading daily content from audible.com and listening on a PAC Mate as they went from client to client in their cars. this, I suppose, was a bit of accidental universal design. Apple seems to have really figured it out in the iPod Shuffle where the product can be used by almost everyone straight out of the box and no features are inaccessible to any portion of a large universe of potential users. I hope that Apple's leadership on this front will drag along other mainstream players and that we'll start to see the blinkosphere expand along with the universe. cdh On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: With most mainstream popular products there is huge value in not only the thing itself but in the universe that surrounds it. The iPod being a case in point. There are jillions of add ons and public shared community knowledge which extending the value and uses far beyond what maker originally envisioned. This is the mainstream or universal access argument. If you can simply make an existing thing accessible you get the universe that goes with it for free. The VictorReader Stream may be a fine product, but being a niche product it will never have the vast array of cases, docking stations, FM tuners, chargers etc. Adding a screen reader to a PC is another big example which connected another audience to a
snowleopard on august 28?
Hi it is rumoured that snowleopard is due out in 2 weeks on august 28? Why don't people get fact in stead of wasting time cluttering up the internet with rumours all day long lol, if this is true, fine, but if not it is egg on peoples faces, as the expression goes. The only people who know if the OS will appear early is apple. Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password)
just press enter without typing anything On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Yes, I believe it can have a space in it. On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hello! I tried to enter a username and password, but this didn't work. I still get the message that says either wrong username or password. Can the username have a spacebar? I.e a person first + last name? Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Maxwell Ivey Jr. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Hello; If you have never entered a password, then you get to pick one now. Just enter the name and password you want and they wil become your user anme and password from now on. Hope that helps, Max On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi All! I'm trying to update my friend MacBook Pro from v 105.5 to 10.5.8. I pressed VO-M, then I chose the software update. It says there are 9 updates. I tried several times to install the updates, or some of the updates, but each time the updater ask me for a username and password. I asked my friend, and he told me he doesn't have any password in his machine. I wonder, what I should do? How can I pass this password thing? I should note though that when I press OK and leave the password field empty, the updater doesn't accept this, and will say either the username or password is wrong. TIA Khalid --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flash content, who do we contact?
you know what is really annoying? on their home page they are seemingly all for accessibility wit assistive technology. It's time adobe realised that we mean business. lol. But sadly, I see no way to contact them. On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Apple has provided the interface to make it accessible, but, nfortunately, Adobe has stated that they do not think it's worth the resources to make flash accessible on the mac, hopefully that will change as more and more people are getting macs On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: I agree. I'm getting annoyed with the lack of flash. I once emailed apple and asked about the inaccessability of live journal voice posts, which use flash, and they told me to contact adobe. On 13-Aug-09, at 1:11 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: OK, I am no expert on these matters so I am coming to the list to ask the questions. Who are we to contact about the lack of accessibility with flash content? Apple or Adobe? I really am getting tired of not being able to use flash content and it is actually slightly better on the other OS but no where near as good as it once was. I used to be able to use flash content around version eight I believe it was but sadly we all had to upgrade to the really bad version nine which caused me to lose any hope of using flash. in the latest version with Jaws, although nothing is labeled, it seems a little better. so please, who do we talk too? I really feel this would help us all and if anyone else wants to use flash, let's email the relevant people. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Universal design
I remember the early jaws days. I knew that Ted Henter and all the people there really gave their all. Seems that when a company is small, it is easy for it to keep its focus. On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, I couldn't agree with you more as regards Apple and its efforts toward universal access. I understand the feeling you must have when the kid went off to school with a new talking iPod as, when I worked at HJ/FS, i was well aware that every new copy of JAWS that went out the door probably meant that someone got a job, is starting in college or furthering their scholastic life with a good tool. This was pounded into our heads by Ted Henter to whom every customer was special. Things became less satisfying in the FS days as, when Ted was in charge, he would virtually shut down the software engineering department until we fixed a bug or two for a single customer who had trouble doing his job. Now it's all about monthly/quarterly revenue figures than about the end user. It's sad but I neither own the company nor do I work there anymore. As regards other companies who make somewhat accessible items, the community should reward them in proportion to the number of features we can use versus those we cannot. If a product is 25% accessible for people with vision impairment, then we should give them a 25% pat on the back while handing them a list of the 75% of the features that they need to improve. Often, especially on iPhone and Windows Mobile, a program will be accessible, at least in part, because the API gives a lot of automatic accessibility so some of the software out there will b usable by default. I think the authors of such software should be contacted and applauded even if they didn't know they made an accessible application as it may help convince them to work with the community in the future to ensure their accessibility continues. Some companies or groups within a company are virtually hostile to our requests for accessibility. I have found that the entire product line from Intuit works very poorly with any and all screen readers but no matter how many emails and phone calls later, they refuse to give the screen reader authors even the tiniest crumb. Intuit and companies like it may require the stick as all of the carrots we've supplied were spit back out. cdh On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:07 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Chris and all: Yes, I am a fan of more carrots and less stick if possible. Sticks are easy to make though I do not know anyone who enjoys being hit by one no matter how worthy or just the cause (grin). The best way to accomplish what is desired is to reward apple for their innovation with both financial and public support. As a trainer there is nothing cooler than showing a parent a talking ipod, having them purchase one for their child, having the child take it to school and the child being queen or king for the day and possibly longer (grin). That is priceless and customer loyalty will be established forever (grin). And just think, people thought it just played music (grin). On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: It would also be nice, albeit unmeasurable, that Apple would be rewarded for implementing universal design. I could then point to it as an example of what happens when a company does things right. I have lots of examples of when companies do things wrong (Target, PriceLine, Ramada and recently CVS). I'd like more carrot and less stick when I do presentations to developers or at conferences. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hello Chris the Other, I agree with your thoughts on universal design. Six or seven years ago we found that a lot of rehab counselors were downloading daily content from audible.com and listening on a PAC Mate as they went from client to client in their cars. this, I suppose, was a bit of accidental universal design. Apple seems to have really figured it out in the iPod Shuffle where the product can be used by almost everyone straight out of the box and no features are inaccessible to any portion of a large universe of potential users. I hope that Apple's leadership on this front will drag along other mainstream players and that we'll start to see the blinkosphere expand along with the universe. cdh On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: With most mainstream popular products there is huge value in not only the thing itself but in the universe that surrounds it. The iPod being a case in point. There are jillions of add ons and public shared community knowledge which extending the value and uses far beyond what maker originally envisioned. This is the mainstream or universal access argument. If you can simply make an existing thing accessible you get the universe that goes with it for
enabling smtp?
Hi all, When I first got my Mac and set up my primary email account, I had a problem sending mail. This problem was resolved by enabling SMTP, or something like that. I have now set up a secondary mail account, and am having the same problem. But I can't remember what I did that enabled me to send mail from the other account. I've looked in the menus, but can't seem to recreate it. the error message I'm receiving is, that the outgoing server will not recognize my username. I am able to receive mail on that account without problems. I have checked and reset my username and password, and they are entered correctly. Anyone have any ideas about what I might need to do tofix this? TIA, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: enabling smtp?
What info is there when you go into acounts, select the specific acount that's having the problem and then clicking the advanced button in acounts? Perhaps it didn't add the smtp when you were setting up acount, or wrong info. On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, When I first got my Mac and set up my primary email account, I had a problem sending mail. This problem was resolved by enabling SMTP, or something like that. I have now set up a secondary mail account, and am having the same problem. But I can't remember what I did that enabled me to send mail from the other account. I've looked in the menus, but can't seem to recreate it. the error message I'm receiving is, that the outgoing server will not recognize my username. I am able to receive mail on that account without problems. I have checked and reset my username and password, and they are entered correctly. Anyone have any ideas about what I might need to do tofix this? TIA, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
items not going into cart?
hi all, now when I click the price of a song with voice over it is playing the sample, not adding it to my cart, or if one click is on, letting me purcase? Has anone else noted this behaviour? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
installing snowleopard
hi this article http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/12/sources_detail_changes_to_snow_leopard_installation_process.html talks about the install process for the upcomming snowleopard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iPod Shuffle 3rd gen headphones
Hi folks, I own a 3rd gen shuffle. Come Monday when I can make a trip to an Apple store, I'll be on my 3rd set of headphones since buying it a few months ago. The first pair stopped working on one side with no obvious external damage, and the 2nd pair have pretty much just fallen to pieces with no warning lol. Question is, am I just having a bad run or is anybody else finding the build quality sucks? I'm not giving these a tougher time than anybody else that I know of. If it's the latter, I'm thinking of trying to strike up a bit of a deal where I can contribute a little extra and leave the store with a replacement set of the higher spec model Apple offer that goes further into your ear. Cheers for any experiences offered Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password)
Pressing enter didn't work. It says: either the username or password is wrong. I kept both fields empty. Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Mac Cougar To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) just press enter without typing anything On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Yes, I believe it can have a space in it. On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hello! I tried to enter a username and password, but this didn't work. I still get the message that says either wrong username or password. Can the username have a spacebar? I.e a person first + last name? Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Maxwell Ivey Jr. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Hello; If you have never entered a password, then you get to pick one now. Just enter the name and password you want and they wil become your user anme and password from now on. Hope that helps, Max On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi All! I'm trying to update my friend MacBook Pro from v 105.5 to 10.5.8. I pressed VO-M, then I chose the software update. It says there are 9 updates. I tried several times to install the updates, or some of the updates, but each time the updater ask me for a username and password. I asked my friend, and he told me he doesn't have any password in his machine. I wonder, what I should do? How can I pass this password thing? I should note though that when I press OK and leave the password field empty, the updater doesn't accept this, and will say either the username or password is wrong. TIA Khalid --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPod Shuffle 3rd gen headphones
Hi Scott, I've ben carrying my Shuffle headphones around in my pocket pretty much every day since I got my Shuffle, and they're still working fine. Sorry you're having such a hard time, and I hope whatever you end up with this time works out. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password)
Thanks Esther for this thorough step by step explanation. I was able to check the account setting, and it asked me to enter old password. I left it empty, and I typed a new password but this didn't work. I noticed something strange though; under password, there is a field called password hint (or something of this sort) and the first name of my friend in lowercase was written. I tried to type this in both old and new password, but it didn't work. I asked my friend about the DVD that came with his Mac, but he said he didn't remember seeing a DVD with his MacBook. I asked him to search for it -- hopping he'll find it.. IF he didn't find the DVD, is there other way to update his Mac? i.e. can I download from apple website the updates directly, and install them in the machine. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated. All the Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Hello, I assume that Jonathan is suggesting you go into System Preferences. 1. VO-Shift M to navigate to the Apple Menu bar, where VO means hold down the Control and Option keys together with any other keys listed as part of the instructions). 2. Press s y quickly or Arrow down to get to the System Preferences menu option and press enter. 3. In the System Preferences window press tab or use VO-Right Arrow to navigate to the Accounts button (about 20 presses) 4. VO-Space to select Accounts 5. In the Accounts Menu, VO-Right Arrow from the toolbar to the Groups and Login Options list and interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow). 6. The first item should be your friend's account, and you'll hear his login name followed by a description of his account access level, such as Admin, Standard, or Sharing Only. What gets announced as his account access? If your friend does not have Admin status, you cannot run the system update from his account. Is there some other account listed in the login options list that says Admin? As Jonathan says, you should be able to use the install DVD to set up an Admin account and password if one is not present, but the problem is that if there were any other system actions that have been performed that required login and password, you will lose the record of these permissions that have been kept in the system's keychain permission records. If your friend does have Admin status, you can try to stop interacting (VO-Shift-Up arrow), and tab over to the Change Password button and press it (VO-Space). Problem is, you'll have to type in an old password (twice, to verify your typing) and then a new password. If there really was no old password, you can leave the old password field empty and just press enter each time, then type in your new password. But if you couldn't just type in a new password the way that Max suggested, the chances are that there was a password set up, but your friend either didn't know it or has forgotten it, because he has set up his machine to allow him to automatically log in. Remember when you type user name and password that these entries may be case sensitive. I'm not sure how to proceed if this is the case and you can't set a password. You should be able to insert the original install DVD and restart holding down the C key. After you turn on VoiceOver with either Command-F5 or Fn-Command-F5 and get past the keyboard and language screens you should be able to go to the menu bar with VO-M and right arrow over to Utilities, then choose an option to Reset Password. I'm not able to check this here, so maybe Jonathan or someone else can assist. However, if you do reset the password you can use that password to run the updates. HTH Cheers, Esther Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi! How can I check the account pain and change the password from there ? BTW, I'm still new to the world of Mac and VoiceOver -- however, I'm enjoying this new world so much .. Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Ah, the problem of the automatic login. You could boot with the Leopard disk and reset his password, but that will probably lock him out of all his keychains. Check the accounts pane, and see if you can change his password there. Also, it is well advised for security reasons, to not use the Administrator login created at system startup for day to day activities. It adds a additional layer of security if any trojan horse or other malware needs to skip to a administrative login in order to get full access to the machine's root / full access. Jonathan On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi All! I'm trying to update my friend MacBook Pro from v 105.5 to 10.5.8. I pressed VO-M, then I chose the software update. It says there
Re: installing snowleopard
Hi, What will really be interesting to see is if VO only comes with american voices as it does now or if you have for example Swedish as an alternative. I haven't heard anything from Assistiveware about any new versions of the Acapela voices so i begin to get a bit worried to say the least. I want my system to speak Swedish, not swenglish. /Krister 14 aug 2009 kl. 16.47 skrev william lomas: hi this article http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/12/sources_detail_changes_to_snow_leopard_installation_process.html talks about the install process for the upcomming snowleopard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing snowleopard
yeah i hope so to On 14 Aug 2009, at 16:32, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, What will really be interesting to see is if VO only comes with american voices as it does now or if you have for example Swedish as an alternative. I haven't heard anything from Assistiveware about any new versions of the Acapela voices so i begin to get a bit worried to say the least. I want my system to speak Swedish, not swenglish. /Krister 14 aug 2009 kl. 16.47 skrev william lomas: hi this article http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/12/sources_detail_changes_to_snow_leopard_installation_process.html talks about the install process for the upcomming snowleopard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: items not going into cart?
This was covered previously but basically apple dropped the buy keyboard shortcut and the latest iTunes releases but you can add it back: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg03508.html You can also do a VO mouse click on the buy button: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg02239.html Mail archive is your friend. CB william lomas wrote: hi all, now when I click the price of a song with voice over it is playing the sample, not adding it to my cart, or if one click is on, letting me purcase? Has anone else noted this behaviour? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing snowleopard
Hello Krister, If you read the information about Snow Leopard on the Apple website, you'll see that only American voices will be provided. Other language voices will have to be bought separately. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
determining people's status on skype
Hi, How can I find out whether a Skype contact is online? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
finding specific text on a web page
Hi, I'm having trouble finding specific text on a web page. I've tried Command-F and VO-F, and generally afterward I'm either at the top of the text or outside the HTML content, and when I interact with that content, I'm at the top, not where the search text is. Sometimes Item Chooser helps, but sometimes not. Any suggestions? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: finding specific text on a web page
Anna, For now Vo-i is your best bet. Just start typing what you want to find and the list will narrow down. It works pretty well all though I would like to see the other search options work better also. On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I'm having trouble finding specific text on a web page. I've tried Command-F and VO-F, and generally afterward I'm either at the top of the text or outside the HTML content, and when I interact with that content, I'm at the top, not where the search text is. Sometimes Item Chooser helps, but sometimes not. Any suggestions? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: snowleopard on august 28?
Rumor mill has been abuzz saying that Snow Leopard has gone golden master but usually that sits a couple weeks before going to production for any last minute bug shakeouts. That puts it at mid September. They seem to like to release on a weekend, a tradition going back to the first non-beta of OSX, so my mac friends are betting on the 18th. OSX 10.1 was the only anomaly being launched on a Tuesday. All the others were either a Friday or Saturday except 10.4 which was on Sunday. CB william lomas wrote: Hi it is rumoured that snowleopard is due out in 2 weeks on august 28? Why don't people get fact in stead of wasting time cluttering up the internet with rumours all day long lol, if this is true, fine, but if not it is egg on peoples faces, as the expression goes. The only people who know if the OS will appear early is apple. Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: determining people's status on skype
Hi, Anna in the current skype release, all you can do is go in to the view menu and tell skype to hide offline contacts. This will cause only online contacts to show up in the contacts table. Robert Carter On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, How can I find out whether a Skype contact is online? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keychains, wasRE: Updating Mac 10.5 (password)
I don't use them but the theory is that you store all your screen name and password pairs in a master keychain. Then you use one screen name and password to unlock all your other passwords. So the idea is that you only need to remember that one password and the keychain will supply all the other passwords when needed. As I said, I don't use it but I suspect it does some kind of autocomplete on forms in the appropriate places. CB Donna Goodin wrote: Hello all, Sorry if this is a dumb newbie question, but what are keychains anyway? I've seen references to them, but I don't understand what they are or how they work. TIA, Donna From: Dr.Khalid dr.k...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:42 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) ***Hi!* ** *How can I check the account pain and change the password from there ? BTW, I'm still new to the world of Mac and VoiceOver -- however, I'm enjoying this new world so much ..* ** *Best* *Khalid* - Original Message - *From:* Jonathan C. Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:05 PM *Subject:* Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Ah, the problem of the automatic login. You could boot with the Leopard disk and reset his password, but that will probably lock him out of all his keychains. Check the accounts pane, and see if you can change his password there. Also, it is well advised for security reasons, to not use the Administrator login created at system startup for day to day activities. It adds a additional layer of security if any trojan horse or other malware needs to skip to a administrative login in order to get full access to the machine's root / full access. Jonathan On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Dr.Khalid wrote: ***Hi All!* ** *I'm trying to update my friend MacBook Pro from v 105.5 to 10.5.8. I pressed VO-M, then I chose the software update. It says there are 9 updates. I tried several times to install the updates, or some of the updates, but each time the updater ask me for a username and password. I asked my friend, and he told me he doesn't have any password in his machine. I wonder, what I should do? How can I pass this password thing? I should note though that when I press OK and leave the password field empty, the updater doesn't accept this, and will say either the username or password is wrong.* ** *TIA* *Khalid* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Keychains, wasRE: Updating Mac 10.5 (password)
Oh, interesting. Thanks for the explanation. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:03 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Keychains, wasRE: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) I don't use them but the theory is that you store all your screen name and password pairs in a master keychain. Then you use one screen name and password to unlock all your other passwords. So the idea is that you only need to remember that one password and the keychain will supply all the other passwords when needed. As I said, I don't use it but I suspect it does some kind of autocomplete on forms in the appropriate places. CB Donna Goodin wrote: Hello all, Sorry if this is a dumb newbie question, but what are keychains anyway? I've seen references to them, but I don't understand what they are or how they work. TIA, Donna _ From: Dr.Khalid mailto:dr.k...@gmail.com dr.k...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:42 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Hi! How can I check the account pain and change the password from there ? BTW, I'm still new to the world of Mac and VoiceOver -- however, I'm enjoying this new world so much .. Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Ah, the problem of the automatic login. You could boot with the Leopard disk and reset his password, but that will probably lock him out of all his keychains. Check the accounts pane, and see if you can change his password there. Also, it is well advised for security reasons, to not use the Administrator login created at system startup for day to day activities. It adds a additional layer of security if any trojan horse or other malware needs to skip to a administrative login in order to get full access to the machine's root / full access. Jonathan On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi All! I'm trying to update my friend MacBook Pro from v 105.5 to 10.5.8. I pressed VO-M, then I chose the software update. It says there are 9 updates. I tried several times to install the updates, or some of the updates, but each time the updater ask me for a username and password. I asked my friend, and he told me he doesn't have any password in his machine. I wonder, what I should do? How can I pass this password thing? I should note though that when I press OK and leave the password field empty, the updater doesn't accept this, and will say either the username or password is wrong. TIA Khalid No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.56/2302 - Release Date: 08/14/09 06:10:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: determining people's status on skype
This might not still work, but I recall a while ago someone posting a tip for this. If you add the skype test call facility to your contacts, one mac user claimed everything online would be above them, and everything below was either offline or not contactable. Bit of a stab in the dark because I haven't used Skype in so long I don't even have it installed to test the reliability, but it'd be worth someone trying this and refreshing the list on whether it works or not. hth Scott On 8/14/09, Robert Carter r-car...@suddenlink.net wrote: Hi, Anna in the current skype release, all you can do is go in to the view menu and tell skype to hide offline contacts. This will cause only online contacts to show up in the contacts table. Robert Carter On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, How can I find out whether a Skype contact is online? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
messenger sounds
hi can adium users hear the messenger sounds people may send me? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: messenger sounds
Do you mean the sounds for nudges and the little animated imoticon thingies? If so, nope, I don't think Adium plays ball yet. Whether you get any indication as text I'm not sure, but that's more likely. On 8/14/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: hi can adium users hear the messenger sounds people may send me? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: messenger sounds
yeah i get the messenger sounds On 14 Aug 2009, at 19:05, Scott Chesworth wrote: Do you mean the sounds for nudges and the little animated imoticon thingies? If so, nope, I don't think Adium plays ball yet. Whether you get any indication as text I'm not sure, but that's more likely. On 8/14/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: hi can adium users hear the messenger sounds people may send me? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: messenger sounds
sorry i meant i get the text not sounds, I surprised that adium won't play them yet On 14 Aug 2009, at 19:05, Scott Chesworth wrote: Do you mean the sounds for nudges and the little animated imoticon thingies? If so, nope, I don't think Adium plays ball yet. Whether you get any indication as text I'm not sure, but that's more likely. On 8/14/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: hi can adium users hear the messenger sounds people may send me? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing snowleopard
Then i wonder if those voices will be available from the Apple sight or from the other makers of voices from Apple. /Krister 14 aug 2009 kl. 18.24 skrev Anne Robertson: Hello Krister, If you read the information about Snow Leopard on the Apple website, you'll see that only American voices will be provided. Other language voices will have to be bought separately. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password)
The user name is already there. Pressing the OK button while the password field is empty didn't solve it. Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Mac Cougar To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) You will still need to put in the user name which on mine is already there and the i go to password field and press enter. Hope that helps steve On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Pressing enter didn't work. It says: either the username or password is wrong. I kept both fields empty. Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Mac Cougar To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) just press enter without typing anything On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Yes, I believe it can have a space in it. On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hello! I tried to enter a username and password, but this didn't work. I still get the message that says either wrong username or password. Can the username have a spacebar? I.e a person first + last name? Best Khalid - Original Message - From: Maxwell Ivey Jr. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Updating Mac 10.5 (password) Hello; If you have never entered a password, then you get to pick one now. Just enter the name and password you want and they wil become your user anme and password from now on. Hope that helps, Max On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi All! I'm trying to update my friend MacBook Pro from v 105.5 to 10.5.8. I pressed VO-M, then I chose the software update. It says there are 9 updates. I tried several times to install the updates, or some of the updates, but each time the updater ask me for a username and password. I asked my friend, and he told me he doesn't have any password in his machine. I wonder, what I should do? How can I pass this password thing? I should note though that when I press OK and leave the password field empty, the updater doesn't accept this, and will say either the username or password is wrong. TIA Khalid --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: determining people's status on skype
Hi Scott, Thanks for the tip. I just turned off Show Offline Contacts, and sure enough, the names that disappeared all appear below Skype Test Call when I have all contacts shown, so it appears to work. All the best, Anna On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: This might not still work, but I recall a while ago someone posting a tip for this. If you add the skype test call facility to your contacts, one mac user claimed everything online would be above them, and everything below was either offline or not contactable. Bit of a stab in the dark because I haven't used Skype in so long I don't even have it installed to test the reliability, but it'd be worth someone trying this and refreshing the list on whether it works or not. hth Scott On 8/14/09, Robert Carter r-car...@suddenlink.net wrote: Hi, Anna in the current skype release, all you can do is go in to the view menu and tell skype to hide offline contacts. This will cause only online contacts to show up in the contacts table. Robert Carter On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, How can I find out whether a Skype contact is online? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing snowleopard
Hello Krister, On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Then i wonder if those voices will be available from the Apple sight or from the other makers of voices from Apple. I doubt Apple will sell them. I use Infovox iVox voices for French and they're brilliant! Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: determining people's status on skype
Hello Anna and all: If your setting is show offline contacts, the online contacts automatically appear at the top of the list. You can set it to only show online contacts. This works though if you attempt to send a request to someone you will not know if they receive the request until they show up. I sent a request to someone and kept seeing his name on the bottom of the list which meant he either did not see my request or it never made it to him. So, I emailed him and we got it straightened out. If I had selected show only online contacts I might not have noticed. Either way works. Whatever you are comfortable with. Be well. On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, How can I find out whether a Skype contact is online? Thanks, Anna Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Universal design
Last I heard, he had started a company, Henter Math. Not sure if that still is the case. Take Care John Panarese On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, hank smith wrote: what is he doing these days? any one know? On Aug 14, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Daniel Crone wrote: I remember the early jaws days. I knew that Ted Henter and all the people there really gave their all. Seems that when a company is small, it is easy for it to keep its focus. On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, I couldn't agree with you more as regards Apple and its efforts toward universal access. I understand the feeling you must have when the kid went off to school with a new talking iPod as, when I worked at HJ/FS, i was well aware that every new copy of JAWS that went out the door probably meant that someone got a job, is starting in college or furthering their scholastic life with a good tool. This was pounded into our heads by Ted Henter to whom every customer was special. Things became less satisfying in the FS days as, when Ted was in charge, he would virtually shut down the software engineering department until we fixed a bug or two for a single customer who had trouble doing his job. Now it's all about monthly/quarterly revenue figures than about the end user. It's sad but I neither own the company nor do I work there anymore. As regards other companies who make somewhat accessible items, the community should reward them in proportion to the number of features we can use versus those we cannot. If a product is 25% accessible for people with vision impairment, then we should give them a 25% pat on the back while handing them a list of the 75% of the features that they need to improve. Often, especially on iPhone and Windows Mobile, a program will be accessible, at least in part, because the API gives a lot of automatic accessibility so some of the software out there will b usable by default. I think the authors of such software should be contacted and applauded even if they didn't know they made an accessible application as it may help convince them to work with the community in the future to ensure their accessibility continues. Some companies or groups within a company are virtually hostile to our requests for accessibility. I have found that the entire product line from Intuit works very poorly with any and all screen readers but no matter how many emails and phone calls later, they refuse to give the screen reader authors even the tiniest crumb. Intuit and companies like it may require the stick as all of the carrots we've supplied were spit back out. cdh On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:07 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Chris and all: Yes, I am a fan of more carrots and less stick if possible. Sticks are easy to make though I do not know anyone who enjoys being hit by one no matter how worthy or just the cause (grin). The best way to accomplish what is desired is to reward apple for their innovation with both financial and public support. As a trainer there is nothing cooler than showing a parent a talking ipod, having them purchase one for their child, having the child take it to school and the child being queen or king for the day and possibly longer (grin). That is priceless and customer loyalty will be established forever (grin). And just think, people thought it just played music (grin). On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: It would also be nice, albeit unmeasurable, that Apple would be rewarded for implementing universal design. I could then point to it as an example of what happens when a company does things right. I have lots of examples of when companies do things wrong (Target, PriceLine, Ramada and recently CVS). I'd like more carrot and less stick when I do presentations to developers or at conferences. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hello Chris the Other, I agree with your thoughts on universal design. Six or seven years ago we found that a lot of rehab counselors were downloading daily content from audible.com and listening on a PAC Mate as they went from client to client in their cars. this, I suppose, was a bit of accidental universal design. Apple seems to have really figured it out in the iPod Shuffle where the product can be used by almost everyone straight out of the box and no features are inaccessible to any portion of a large universe of potential users. I hope that Apple's leadership on this front will drag along other mainstream players and that we'll start to see the blinkosphere expand along with the universe. cdh On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: With most mainstream popular products there is huge value in not only the thing itself but in the universe that surrounds it. The iPod being a case in point. There are jillions of add ons and public shared community knowledge which extending the value and uses far beyond what maker originally
Re: mac veils
And you can turn the screen curtain on and off on a mac with VO-shift- f11 On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Dan wrote: Hello, VoiceOver has always included the nifty feature known as Screen Curtain. Both in Tiger and Leopard. I see no reason for it to go away in Snow Leopard. Dan On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi everyone, I wanted to know if the macbook laptops have a veil like the iphones do. Is it inherent to the leopard os? if not so, does anyone know if it will be integrated into snow leopard? It would be great if i can just work on my stuff without someone leaning on my back like a creep to see what i'm doing. cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Universal design
I would like to know what Mr. Henter is doing also. On Aug 14, 2009, at 4:45 PM, hank smith wrote: what is he doing these days? any one know? On Aug 14, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Daniel Crone wrote: I remember the early jaws days. I knew that Ted Henter and all the people there really gave their all. Seems that when a company is small, it is easy for it to keep its focus. On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, I couldn't agree with you more as regards Apple and its efforts toward universal access. I understand the feeling you must have when the kid went off to school with a new talking iPod as, when I worked at HJ/FS, i was well aware that every new copy of JAWS that went out the door probably meant that someone got a job, is starting in college or furthering their scholastic life with a good tool. This was pounded into our heads by Ted Henter to whom every customer was special. Things became less satisfying in the FS days as, when Ted was in charge, he would virtually shut down the software engineering department until we fixed a bug or two for a single customer who had trouble doing his job. Now it's all about monthly/quarterly revenue figures than about the end user. It's sad but I neither own the company nor do I work there anymore. As regards other companies who make somewhat accessible items, the community should reward them in proportion to the number of features we can use versus those we cannot. If a product is 25% accessible for people with vision impairment, then we should give them a 25% pat on the back while handing them a list of the 75% of the features that they need to improve. Often, especially on iPhone and Windows Mobile, a program will be accessible, at least in part, because the API gives a lot of automatic accessibility so some of the software out there will b usable by default. I think the authors of such software should be contacted and applauded even if they didn't know they made an accessible application as it may help convince them to work with the community in the future to ensure their accessibility continues. Some companies or groups within a company are virtually hostile to our requests for accessibility. I have found that the entire product line from Intuit works very poorly with any and all screen readers but no matter how many emails and phone calls later, they refuse to give the screen reader authors even the tiniest crumb. Intuit and companies like it may require the stick as all of the carrots we've supplied were spit back out. cdh On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:07 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Chris and all: Yes, I am a fan of more carrots and less stick if possible. Sticks are easy to make though I do not know anyone who enjoys being hit by one no matter how worthy or just the cause (grin). The best way to accomplish what is desired is to reward apple for their innovation with both financial and public support. As a trainer there is nothing cooler than showing a parent a talking ipod, having them purchase one for their child, having the child take it to school and the child being queen or king for the day and possibly longer (grin). That is priceless and customer loyalty will be established forever (grin). And just think, people thought it just played music (grin). On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: It would also be nice, albeit unmeasurable, that Apple would be rewarded for implementing universal design. I could then point to it as an example of what happens when a company does things right. I have lots of examples of when companies do things wrong (Target, PriceLine, Ramada and recently CVS). I'd like more carrot and less stick when I do presentations to developers or at conferences. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hello Chris the Other, I agree with your thoughts on universal design. Six or seven years ago we found that a lot of rehab counselors were downloading daily content from audible.com and listening on a PAC Mate as they went from client to client in their cars. this, I suppose, was a bit of accidental universal design. Apple seems to have really figured it out in the iPod Shuffle where the product can be used by almost everyone straight out of the box and no features are inaccessible to any portion of a large universe of potential users. I hope that Apple's leadership on this front will drag along other mainstream players and that we'll start to see the blinkosphere expand along with the universe. cdh On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: With most mainstream popular products there is huge value in not only the thing itself but in the universe that surrounds it. The iPod being a case in point. There are jillions of add ons and public shared community knowledge which extending the value and uses far beyond what maker originally envisioned. This is the mainstream or universal access argument. If you can
