Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi
Westminster Chimes is very accessible and might be what you are looking for.

Lisette

On 18/02/2013, at 7:27 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> There is a good weather app for the IPad called Celsius that seems to be 
> accessible, at least on the installed main page.
> I'm looking for an accessible, chiming clock app for my IPads.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
> 
> On 2013 Whe 17, at 07:56, Rod Skene  wrote:
> 
>> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying 
>> to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
>> instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
>> errors.
>> 
>> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>>> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of 
>>> it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
 
 So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
 
 They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am 
 not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift 
 horse in the mouth? (smile)
 
 Take care.
 Rodney
 
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

2013-02-17 Thread James Mannion
I agree that it is in large part perception and what one is telling
themselves. It is easy if one is not careful to overstate the problems
as to how they shape the entire picture and to overstate how great
things were in the past (grass is always greener). It is easy to take
the problems and create an entire gloom and doom and paint a picture
for yourself of where it is going and to tell yourself how perfect it
was in the past. I think Apple has more issues than they should, but I
don't really think they have mor issue than they did a few years ago.
As is pointed out in the message below, IOS 3.x versions were far from
perfect. Were they truly over all such a better over all situation, I
don't think so honestly. It is easy to combine the above with what the
press is trying to jam down your throat about Apple. There is such a
large contingency of them that want Apple dead! I think it is in part
because Google gives them what they want and Apple doesn't in terms of
data they want about people as well as advertising dollars being a
huge part of the picture where they are not in that kind of
relationship with Apple. The news media blows up every Apple issue to
the point of distortion and almost never mention an issue about any
other platform. They fill their articles with statements about how
Apple has lost their glory, Apple is no longer relavent and how Nobody
uses Apple products any more. Then some how completely out of line
with their story, Apple sells millions of Iphones every quarter still.

On 2/15/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I tend to disagree.  I think its just peoples perception, and awareness
> changing since Steve Jobs passing.  Basically, IOS is not new anymore, and
> we are less forgiving with mistakes.  And, we now have a convenient excuse
> or, cause for these mistakes, a new person heading Apple.  For example, do
> you guys remember that horrific standby bug in IOS 3.0?  How about antenna
> gate?  Or, iPhone 4 and 4S's being shipped with the glue not dried on launch
> day making peoples display look green?  My point is, mistakes were happening
> before as well.  Same kind of bugs too.  But overall, I still think IOS has
> gotten better, not worse.  Remember what homescreens were like without
> folders?  or fullKeyboard support with Voiceover?  Or how about the app
> switcher.  lol. and on and on.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Feb 15, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Blake Sinnett 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the
>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often.
>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next.
>> Of course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth
>> out. The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens.
>>
>> Blake
>>
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>> To: 
>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
>>
>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment!
>>>
>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since
>>> release in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues.
>>> However Apple has had so many issues.
>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks,  App, iTunes store. In
>>> the first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we
>>> didn't even have the ability to see ratings with the new software.
>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search
>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community.
>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle.
>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset.
>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery
>>> issue, and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at
>>> schools. Individuals can bypass the no downloading option.
>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to
>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple
>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling
>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out
>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened!
>>>
>>> J.P.
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Re: Messages Reaching the List

2013-02-17 Thread John Weir

I got some from you fine.  John Weir  Didnt think you expected an answer.
On 2/17/13 9:34 PM, Kerri wrote:

Hello, Harry, your messages are just fine.
On 2013-02-17, at 5:12 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:


Hello everyone,

I was just wondering if my messages are reaching the list?  I wrote a couple of 
messages over the past couple of days.  If no one had answers and/or haven't 
had a moment to reply, I understand.  I simply wanted to make sure my messages 
are making it through.

Thanks,

Harry

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Re: Messages Reaching the List

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Hogue
Ah, thanks for the confirmation.  I appreciate it.

Harry
On Feb 17, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> Hello, Harry, your messages are just fine.
> On 2013-02-17, at 5:12 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I was just wondering if my messages are reaching the list?  I wrote a couple 
>> of messages over the past couple of days.  If no one had answers and/or 
>> haven't had a moment to reply, I understand.  I simply wanted to make sure 
>> my messages are making it through.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Harry
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

2013-02-17 Thread Kerri
YOu want to talk inaccessibility? Some of you may not know this program but , 
like an idiot in 1994, I got mega dots because I did not want to use word, iOS 
has nothing on that program! But I will stifle my talk for now before I get the 
boot from this board.
On 2013-02-17, at 1:58 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Oh I agree! I can remember, from a few years ago, a conversation I had with a 
> new assistant-teacher at the school for the blind that I attend. It was about 
> spreadsheets and things like that. He wanted to know if I could access them 
> on my braille note. Of course, that can't be done, and he was surprised by 
> it, I think. And that made me stop and think about how truly locked in we are 
> on those systems. If you wanted to play .ogg files on your braille note, too 
> bad! Humanware isn't too fond of open formats. Nope, you can't install an app 
> to fix that, or to even open .ogg files. You can't install codecs or anything 
> to allow the "media player" to play it. You'll have to use a computer to 
> convert the file to mp3 and all that wonderful stuff. There are countless 
> other things that the Braille note locks you out of, but that's just one of 
> many. That's why when people start whining about how iOs is so locked down, I 
> think "uh, you haven't seen anything until you look at the blindness specific 
> products". And because the blindy products can only be improved by the 
> makers, they are very out of date. The braille plus 18 did it slightly 
> better, but until they get all their bugs fixed, and update to android 4.2, 
> they'll still be out-of-date. And don't get me started on the screen readers. 
> When I got my first computer, a Dell laptop, I thought Window-eyes was so 
> amazing and cool. Now though, we at our school rarely even use it. Now,we 
> mostly use flaws, and even though I've told people time and time again that 
> NVDA is good if you'll learn to use it, they still stick with the shark. The 
> latest version implemented Vocalizer voices, which were already used in NVDA 
> months earlier, and in Apple products years earlier. And even those voices 
> aren't as good as Apple's in my opinion. The only thing I might miss from the 
> windows world is Dectalk, but the Macintalk voices like Ralph and such are 
> very close to Dectalk, so I'm not complaining. That's another thing I love 
> about Apple. They rarely throw things away, they just improve upon things. I 
> am currently using the Zarvox voice, and do love it, I use it sometimes when 
> I have a headache and want a smooth voice. That's another thing. With many of 
> the note takers, you can only use Eloquence. Personally, Eloquence has never 
> been that remarkable to me. Its good, I suppose, but I don't see much 
> amazingness in it besides supporting many languages, which eSpeak completely 
> blows it away there, Vocalizer does too. Now though, some notetakers are 
> switching to Ivona, which is a little better, but I'd prefer seroproc over 
> that, at least from the demos and the Bushomatic thing, I could never get the 
> live demo bar to work. So, I think that if notetaker companies would just 
> make or use better operating systems, and not stick with the Windows CE 
> stuff, which is out of date by like 3 or so years, then we'd probably have a 
> better playing field. APH has gone a little better, in the original braille 
> plus, they used Linux. In the BP18, they are using Android, but the software 
> is still buggy, so I wouldn't recommend it at this time. But I think the 
> company that should be held the highest in regard is Apple. Yes, I know, 
> we've talked all about how they're so amazing and good, but truly, they've 
> given us almost everything we could want as far as hardware and 
> accessibility. We have computers, desktop and laptop, which are ALL 
> accessible. We have phones, which are under the cost of a few cars and a 
> mansion, no more mobile speak or talks. We have a PDA or small tablet, the 
> iPod. We have a mini and a regular iPad, tablets. And they're even working on 
> regular household appliances. And lets not forget about the Apple TV, which 
> makes hulu accessible. So why have notetakers? I'd say, word processing. But 
> I'm willing to bet that if we can get enough programmers who are blind 
> onboard, we will have an accessible word processer. We will have an 
> accessible MUD client. We will have all the programs and games and apps for 
> iOS we want. So just have patients everyone, the Apple ride will succeed.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
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> Skype:
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> 
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 6:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> 
>> Actually, to compare HumanWare and the likes of Freedom Scientific to models 
>> of accessibility would be like comparing the warden of a prison to the 
>> leader of a democracy.  Both these are for profit entities 

Re: Messages Reaching the List

2013-02-17 Thread Kerri
Hello, Harry, your messages are just fine.
On 2013-02-17, at 5:12 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering if my messages are reaching the list?  I wrote a couple 
> of messages over the past couple of days.  If no one had answers and/or 
> haven't had a moment to reply, I understand.  I simply wanted to make sure my 
> messages are making it through.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Harry
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RE: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread wayne coles
Hi have you looked at Westminster chimes you can do a lot in that
app and I think it was reviewed on applevis hope this helps

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Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free

Cheree Heppe here:
There is a good weather app for the IPad called Celsius that seems to be
accessible, at least on the installed main page.
I'm looking for an accessible, chiming clock app for my IPads.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPad Mini

On 2013 Whe 17, at 07:56, Rod Skene  wrote:

> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying
to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for
instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling
errors.
> 
> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of
it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie 
wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
>>> 
>>> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
>>> 
>>> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I
am not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a
gift horse in the mouth? (smile)
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> Rodney
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Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I know that, but I was trying to figure out how to just go there.  I know there 
is a way, as Sarah Alawami did it in one of her podcasts, and no, it's not 
something she previously assigned as I tried it on my end without first doing 
anything, and it worked.  I jsut don't remember how to do it.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kerri 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 18:04
  Subject: Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?


  Hey, Chris:


  You cold go to the dock then type sys and it should take you there. Yo could 
also do a spot light search and locate it that way.

  On 2013-02-17, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:


I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System 
Preferences with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple menu, 
then go down to System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a shortcut key 
that will bring it right up.  I remember it being something like option+F12.  I 
know it had the option key and the F12 key as part of the combination, but I 
don't recall the exacts.  As much as I hang out in there, it would be nice to 
know.  I should add that I am using Mountain Lion 10.8.2, and I did go under 
system prefs, keyboard, and I did look on the shortcuts tab, to see if I could 
find the actual command, but I can't.  Is there another way that I could make 
this happen?  Don't tell me they took this out of Mountain Lion, as I know in 
Lion, and in Snow Leopard, it worked fantasticly.  I just don't remember the 
command.


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Re: Switching tabs in Safari

2013-02-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

tabs are multiple webpages contained in one window.  What you are referring to 
is multiple windows opened, each containing a webpage.  Open up safari and look 
in the file menu.  You will see options for opening a new window, and opening a 
new tab.  

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> Not sure I understand the difference here, but i"m sorry for posting 
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Devin Prater
Well, I've had pretty much the same experience as you. Just keep trying, and 
you'll get it. I must say though, there really hasn't been much of a successful 
way to type on iOs without just using the slow touch typing or hardware. Maybe 
its just a problem with the current version, I'm really not sure.
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Ok, if you're currently using it, could you please give me a few tips?  I'd 
> love to at least try it, but at this point am finding it really frustrating, 
> mostly sense there's no verbal feedback so have no idea where to tap on the 
> screen and there are so few suggestions to pick from and doesn't seem to be a 
> way at that point to continue to type, like with standard typing, to bring up 
> others.  Also, I can't seem to be able to simply delete 1 character within a 
> word without having to erase the whole word, which is even more anoying, so 
> not sure what I think of it yet.
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
> 
>> Bluetooth keyboards will always be better, but for those who don't have one, 
>> Fleksy is, well, alright.
>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>> Devin prater
>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I'm still totally confused as to how to use the keyboard layout now 
>>> that I don't get verbal feedback, so have no idea how anybody gets used to 
>>> using this app.  I've been trying for what seems for ever just to type 
>>> "Hannah," for example, and only managed to get it once, and have no idea as 
>>> to how, and am frustrated as ever with it.
>>> How exactly are you supposed to accomplish this with no verbal feedback, 
>>> and only about 5 or so suggestions?  I'm really starting to wonder if this 
>>> thing is really worth it, or if it would be easier and quicker just to 
>>> eventually buy a bluetooth keyboard when I can eventually shell out the 
>>> money for the logitech model I'm wanting to buy.
>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Tammy wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 They're on the roter under edit.
 
 Tammy
 
 -Original Message- From: Jessica Moss
 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:20 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free
 
 What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how 
 to do that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:
 
> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area 
> trying to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option 
> for instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
> errors.
> 
> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails 
>> of it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
>>> 
>>> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
>>> 
>>> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I 
>>> am not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look 
>>> a gift horse in the mouth? (smile)
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> Rodney
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

its really about confidence, and a general knowledge of the layout of the 
qwerty keyboard.  You just tap where you assume a letter is, knowing that 9 out 
of 10 times, fleksy will know what you wanted to input.  That is the beauty of 
the app.  I recommend practicing a little more with it.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Ok, I'm still totally confused as to how to use the keyboard layout now that 
> I don't get verbal feedback, so have no idea how anybody gets used to using 
> this app.  I've been trying for what seems for ever just to type "Hannah," 
> for example, and only managed to get it once, and have no idea as to how, and 
> am frustrated as ever with it.
>  How exactly are you supposed to accomplish this with no verbal feedback, and 
> only about 5 or so suggestions?  I'm really starting to wonder if this thing 
> is really worth it, or if it would be easier and quicker just to eventually 
> buy a bluetooth keyboard when I can eventually shell out the money for the 
> logitech model I'm wanting to buy.
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Tammy wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> They're on the roter under edit.
>> 
>> Tammy
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jessica Moss
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free
>> 
>> What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how 
>> to do that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>> 
>>> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying 
>>> to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
>>> instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
>>> errors.
>>> 
>>> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
 True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
 I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of 
 it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
 
> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
> 
> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
> 
> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I 
> am not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a 
> gift horse in the mouth? (smile)
> 
> Take care.
> Rodney
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Jessica Moss
Ok, if you're currently using it, could you please give me a few tips?  I'd 
love to at least try it, but at this point am finding it really frustrating, 
mostly sense there's no verbal feedback so have no idea where to tap on the 
screen and there are so few suggestions to pick from and doesn't seem to be a 
way at that point to continue to type, like with standard typing, to bring up 
others.  Also, I can't seem to be able to simply delete 1 character within a 
word without having to erase the whole word, which is even more anoying, so not 
sure what I think of it yet.
On Feb 17, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

> Bluetooth keyboards will always be better, but for those who don't have one, 
> Fleksy is, well, alright.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
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> On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I'm still totally confused as to how to use the keyboard layout now that 
>> I don't get verbal feedback, so have no idea how anybody gets used to using 
>> this app.  I've been trying for what seems for ever just to type "Hannah," 
>> for example, and only managed to get it once, and have no idea as to how, 
>> and am frustrated as ever with it.
>> How exactly are you supposed to accomplish this with no verbal feedback, and 
>> only about 5 or so suggestions?  I'm really starting to wonder if this thing 
>> is really worth it, or if it would be easier and quicker just to eventually 
>> buy a bluetooth keyboard when I can eventually shell out the money for the 
>> logitech model I'm wanting to buy.
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Tammy wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> They're on the roter under edit.
>>> 
>>> Tammy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:20 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free
>>> 
>>> What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how 
>>> to do that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>>> 
 There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying 
 to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
 instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
 
 Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
 errors.
 
 On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of 
> it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
>> 
>> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
>> 
>> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I 
>> am not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a 
>> gift horse in the mouth? (smile)
>> 
>> Take care.
>> Rodney
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Devin Prater
Bluetooth keyboards will always be better, but for those who don't have one, 
Fleksy is, well, alright.
sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Ok, I'm still totally confused as to how to use the keyboard layout now that 
> I don't get verbal feedback, so have no idea how anybody gets used to using 
> this app.  I've been trying for what seems for ever just to type "Hannah," 
> for example, and only managed to get it once, and have no idea as to how, and 
> am frustrated as ever with it.
>  How exactly are you supposed to accomplish this with no verbal feedback, and 
> only about 5 or so suggestions?  I'm really starting to wonder if this thing 
> is really worth it, or if it would be easier and quicker just to eventually 
> buy a bluetooth keyboard when I can eventually shell out the money for the 
> logitech model I'm wanting to buy.
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Tammy wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> They're on the roter under edit.
>> 
>> Tammy
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jessica Moss
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free
>> 
>> What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how 
>> to do that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>> 
>>> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying 
>>> to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
>>> instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
>>> errors.
>>> 
>>> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
 True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
 I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of 
 it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
 
> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
> 
> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
> 
> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I 
> am not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a 
> gift horse in the mouth? (smile)
> 
> Take care.
> Rodney
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Jessica Moss
Ok, I'm still totally confused as to how to use the keyboard layout now that I 
don't get verbal feedback, so have no idea how anybody gets used to using this 
app.  I've been trying for what seems for ever just to type "Hannah," for 
example, and only managed to get it once, and have no idea as to how, and am 
frustrated as ever with it.
  How exactly are you supposed to accomplish this with no verbal feedback, and 
only about 5 or so suggestions?  I'm really starting to wonder if this thing is 
really worth it, or if it would be easier and quicker just to eventually buy a 
bluetooth keyboard when I can eventually shell out the money for the logitech 
model I'm wanting to buy.
On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Tammy wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> They're on the roter under edit.
> 
> Tammy
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jessica Moss
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free
> 
> What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how to 
> do that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:
> 
>> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying 
>> to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
>> instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
>> errors.
>> 
>> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>>> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of 
>>> it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
 
 So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
 
 They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am 
 not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift 
 horse in the mouth? (smile)
 
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Messages Reaching the List

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Hogue
Hello everyone,

I was just wondering if my messages are reaching the list?  I wrote a couple of 
messages over the past couple of days.  If no one had answers and/or haven't 
had a moment to reply, I understand.  I simply wanted to make sure my messages 
are making it through.

Thanks,

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Re: where are Voice Over dictionary enteries stored?

2013-02-17 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Ray!
OK I hope this is what your looking for!

>From finder open the Menu and select the go menu!
Then arrow down to Library and press enter!
Then in the library list view  find spelling!
Open that and you should find local dictionary open that and you will find all 
Items you added with the Add pronunciation command!
HTH Colin
There could be a quicker way to get to it but thats the way I know! :]

On 17 Feb 2013, at 21:35, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hi y'all.
> 
> I have a number of Voice Over pronunciation dictionary entries I want to get 
> rid of and I don't want to do them one at a time.  Selecting multiple items 
> via the pronunciation table does not work.  Where are the entries actually 
> located so I can get rid of them in a hurry?
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and iPhone user!
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Re: Switching tabs in Safari

2013-02-17 Thread Agent086b
Thanks, thought I was going crazy as I could not get CMD ` to work.
Max Î 
On 18/02/2013, at 9:25 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> no.  Command accent switches windows in Safari.  To switch tabs, one must 
> press control tab.
> 
> hth
> 
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> On Feb 17, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
> 
>> Command + Accent switches tabs. Accent is to the left of the#1 on the 
>> keyboard, to the right of the escape key on laptop keyboards.
>> 
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Re: Switching tabs in Safari

2013-02-17 Thread Mark Baxter
Not sure I understand the difference here, but i"m sorry for posting inaccurate 
information.  Please excuse. *bow*


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Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Kerri
Hey, Chris:

You cold go to the dock then type sys and it should take you there. Yo could 
also do a spot light search and locate it that way.
On 2013-02-17, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System Preferences 
> with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple menu, then go down 
> to System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a shortcut key that will 
> bring it right up.  I remember it being something like option+F12.  I know it 
> had the option key and the F12 key as part of the combination, but I don't 
> recall the exacts.  As much as I hang out in there, it would be nice to know. 
>  I should add that I am using Mountain Lion 10.8.2, and I did go under system 
> prefs, keyboard, and I did look on the shortcuts tab, to see if I could find 
> the actual command, but I can't.  Is there another way that I could make this 
> happen?  Don't tell me they took this out of Mountain Lion, as I know in 
> Lion, and in Snow Leopard, it worked fantasticly.  I just don't remember the 
> command.
> 
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> Founder of CLG Productions
> http://www.clgproductions.com
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Re: Itunes audio format

2013-02-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Downloads from iTunes are in AAC plus which is 256Kbps, with an m4a extension.

hth

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On Feb 17, 2013, at 3:33 PM, -  wrote:

> 
> In a recent thread the topic of the m4a audio file extension type came up. 
> This is a kind of file holder that can contain content of different audio 
> file types, including mp3.
> 
> Does anyone know if itunes downloads in the m4a format are the full content 
> as would be on a cd or are they in mp3 or any other lossy form?
> 
> Is it in fact possible to get full type audio files or the apple losslessform 
> on itunes?  I'm converting my cd collection to apple lossless, which uses the 
> m4a extension also.
> 
> I'm looking for a web source with full type downloads if itunes doesn't have 
> them.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> XB
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Re: Switching tabs in Safari

2013-02-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello,

no.  Command accent switches windows in Safari.  To switch tabs, one must press 
control tab.

hth

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On Feb 17, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Mark Baxter  wrote:

> Command + Accent switches tabs. Accent is to the left of the#1 on the 
> keyboard, to the right of the escape key on laptop keyboards.
> 
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Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Oh! Wow!  Nice tip.  BTW, I had to add the FN key to get that to work.  It 
depends on how you have the behavior of your function keys setup in in keyboard 
preferences.

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On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Michael Babcock  
wrote:

> If you do option + F12, it will open system prefs into the sounds pref pain 
> just an fyi
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't recall there ever being a default shortcut for opening system 
>> preferences.  You can create one yourself though by going into system 
>> prefs/keyboards and select the keyboard shortcut tab.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System 
>>> Preferences with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple menu, 
>>> then go down to System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a shortcut 
>>> key that will bring it right up.  I remember it being something like 
>>> option+F12.  I know it had the option key and the F12 key as part of the 
>>> combination, but I don't recall the exacts.  As much as I hang out in 
>>> there, it would be nice to know.  I should add that I am using Mountain 
>>> Lion 10.8.2, and I did go under system prefs, keyboard, and I did look on 
>>> the shortcuts tab, to see if I could find the actual command, but I can't.  
>>> Is there another way that I could make this happen?  Don't tell me they 
>>> took this out of Mountain Lion, as I know in Lion, and in Snow Leopard, it 
>>> worked fantasticly.  I just don't remember the command.
>>> 
>>> Chris Gilland
>>> Founder of CLG Productions
>>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>>> Phone: 803-760-7136
>>> Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
>>> weekends and holidays
>>> 
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Re: Switching tabs in Safari

2013-02-17 Thread Mark Baxter
Command + Accent switches tabs. Accent is to the left of the#1 on the keyboard, 
to the right of the escape key on laptop keyboards.


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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

2013-02-17 Thread Devin Prater
Oh I agree! I can remember, from a few years ago, a conversation I had with a 
new assistant-teacher at the school for the blind that I attend. It was about 
spreadsheets and things like that. He wanted to know if I could access them on 
my braille note. Of course, that can't be done, and he was surprised by it, I 
think. And that made me stop and think about how truly locked in we are on 
those systems. If you wanted to play .ogg files on your braille note, too bad! 
Humanware isn't too fond of open formats. Nope, you can't install an app to fix 
that, or to even open .ogg files. You can't install codecs or anything to allow 
the "media player" to play it. You'll have to use a computer to convert the 
file to mp3 and all that wonderful stuff. There are countless other things that 
the Braille note locks you out of, but that's just one of many. That's why when 
people start whining about how iOs is so locked down, I think "uh, you haven't 
seen anything until you look at the blindness specific products". And because 
the blindy products can only be improved by the makers, they are very out of 
date. The braille plus 18 did it slightly better, but until they get all their 
bugs fixed, and update to android 4.2, they'll still be out-of-date. And don't 
get me started on the screen readers. When I got my first computer, a Dell 
laptop, I thought Window-eyes was so amazing and cool. Now though, we at our 
school rarely even use it. Now,we mostly use flaws, and even though I've told 
people time and time again that NVDA is good if you'll learn to use it, they 
still stick with the shark. The latest version implemented Vocalizer voices, 
which were already used in NVDA months earlier, and in Apple products years 
earlier. And even those voices aren't as good as Apple's in my opinion. The 
only thing I might miss from the windows world is Dectalk, but the Macintalk 
voices like Ralph and such are very close to Dectalk, so I'm not complaining. 
That's another thing I love about Apple. They rarely throw things away, they 
just improve upon things. I am currently using the Zarvox voice, and do love 
it, I use it sometimes when I have a headache and want a smooth voice. That's 
another thing. With many of the note takers, you can only use Eloquence. 
Personally, Eloquence has never been that remarkable to me. Its good, I 
suppose, but I don't see much amazingness in it besides supporting many 
languages, which eSpeak completely blows it away there, Vocalizer does too. Now 
though, some notetakers are switching to Ivona, which is a little better, but 
I'd prefer seroproc over that, at least from the demos and the Bushomatic 
thing, I could never get the live demo bar to work. So, I think that if 
notetaker companies would just make or use better operating systems, and not 
stick with the Windows CE stuff, which is out of date by like 3 or so years, 
then we'd probably have a better playing field. APH has gone a little better, 
in the original braille plus, they used Linux. In the BP18, they are using 
Android, but the software is still buggy, so I wouldn't recommend it at this 
time. But I think the company that should be held the highest in regard is 
Apple. Yes, I know, we've talked all about how they're so amazing and good, but 
truly, they've given us almost everything we could want as far as hardware and 
accessibility. We have computers, desktop and laptop, which are ALL accessible. 
We have phones, which are under the cost of a few cars and a mansion, no more 
mobile speak or talks. We have a PDA or small tablet, the iPod. We have a mini 
and a regular iPad, tablets. And they're even working on regular household 
appliances. And lets not forget about the Apple TV, which makes hulu 
accessible. So why have notetakers? I'd say, word processing. But I'm willing 
to bet that if we can get enough programmers who are blind onboard, we will 
have an accessible word processer. We will have an accessible MUD client. We 
will have all the programs and games and apps for iOS we want. So just have 
patients everyone, the Apple ride will succeed.
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 6:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> Actually, to compare HumanWare and the likes of Freedom Scientific to models 
> of accessibility would be like comparing the warden of a prison to the leader 
> of a democracy.  Both these are for profit entities which is fine, but both 
> do not conform to Windows or any other standards, except when absolutely 
> unaboidable.  The reason these blindness accessibility businesses don't 
> conform is because they must set themselves apart from their competition.  If 
> all of the screen reader makers, note taker builders and such followed a 
> standard protocol, as computer builders have been pressured by the market to 
> do, then, blind consumers would 

Switching tabs in Safari

2013-02-17 Thread Agent086b
Hello all,
I wish to switch from one tab to another in Safari. I thought the Option + tab 
was the command but this does not appear to work.
Could somebody be kind enough to remind me how to do this?
Thanks for any tips.
Max.

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where are Voice Over dictionary enteries stored?

2013-02-17 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Hi y'all.

I have a number of Voice Over pronounciation dictonary enteries I want to get 
rid of and I don't want to do them one at a time.  Selecting multiple items via 
the pronounciation table does not work.  Where are the enteries actually 
located so I can get rid of them in a hurry?


Sent from my mac
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Itunes audio format

2013-02-17 Thread -


In a recent thread the topic of the m4a audio file extention type came up. 
This is a kind of file holder that can contain content of different audio 
file types, including mp3.


Does anyone know if itunes downloads in the m4a format are the full 
content as would be on a cd or are they in mp3 or any other lossy form?


Is it in fact possible to get full type audio files or the apple 
losslessform on itunes?  I'm converting my cd collection to apple 
lossless, which uses the m4a extension also.


I'm looking for a web source with full type downloads if itunes doesn't 
have them.


Thanks.

XB

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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Tammy

Hi,

They're on the roter under edit.

Tammy

-Original Message- 
From: Jessica Moss

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free

What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how 
to do that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:

There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying 
to type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
instructions. Hope this helps. Rod


Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
errors.


On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:


True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of 
it and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  
wrote:



Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.

So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!

They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I 
am not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a 
gift horse in the mouth? (smile)


Take care.
Rodney

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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Jessica Moss
What are the copy/paste commands on the IPhone? I've never figured out how to 
do that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Rod Skene  wrote:

> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying to 
> type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
> instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
> errors.
> 
> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of it 
>> and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
>>> 
>>> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
>>> 
>>> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am 
>>> not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift 
>>> horse in the mouth? (smile)
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> Rodney
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Accessible apps for iPad was Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Chris H




Christopher Hallsworth

On 17/02/2013 18:27, Cheree Heppe wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
There is a good weather app for the IPad called Celsius that seems to be 
accessible, at least on the installed main page.
I'm looking for an accessible, chiming clock app for my IPads.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPad Mini

On 2013 Whe 17, at 07:56, Rod Skene  wrote:


There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying to 
type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for instructions. 
Hope this helps. Rod

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling errors.

On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:


True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of it 
and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:


Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.

So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!

They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am not 
sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift horse in 
the mouth? (smile)

Take care.
Rodney

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Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Phil Halton
add the FN key to that combo if you have your function keys set to software 
function.


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Babcock" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?


If you do option + F12, it will open system prefs into the sounds pref pain 
just an fyi

On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hi,

I don't recall there ever being a default shortcut for opening system 
preferences.  You can create one yourself though by going into system 
prefs/keyboards and select the keyboard shortcut tab.


Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System 
Preferences with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple 
menu, then go down to System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a 
shortcut key that will bring it right up.  I remember it being something 
like option+F12.  I know it had the option key and the F12 key as part of 
the combination, but I don't recall the exacts.  As much as I hang out in 
there, it would be nice to know.  I should add that I am using Mountain 
Lion 10.8.2, and I did go under system prefs, keyboard, and I did look on 
the shortcuts tab, to see if I could find the actual command, but I 
can't.  Is there another way that I could make this happen?  Don't tell 
me they took this out of Mountain Lion, as I know in Lion, and in Snow 
Leopard, it worked fantasticly.  I just don't remember the command.


Chris Gilland
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Phone: 803-760-7136
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Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Michael Babcock
If you do option + F12, it will open system prefs into the sounds pref pain 
just an fyi
On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't recall there ever being a default shortcut for opening system 
> preferences.  You can create one yourself though by going into system 
> prefs/keyboards and select the keyboard shortcut tab.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System Preferences 
>> with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple menu, then go down 
>> to System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a shortcut key that will 
>> bring it right up.  I remember it being something like option+F12.  I know 
>> it had the option key and the F12 key as part of the combination, but I 
>> don't recall the exacts.  As much as I hang out in there, it would be nice 
>> to know.  I should add that I am using Mountain Lion 10.8.2, and I did go 
>> under system prefs, keyboard, and I did look on the shortcuts tab, to see if 
>> I could find the actual command, but I can't.  Is there another way that I 
>> could make this happen?  Don't tell me they took this out of Mountain Lion, 
>> as I know in Lion, and in Snow Leopard, it worked fantasticly.  I just don't 
>> remember the command.
>> 
>> Chris Gilland
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>> Phone: 803-760-7136
>> Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
>> weekends and holidays
>> 
>> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
>> 
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Re: Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I don't recall there ever being a default shortcut for opening system 
preferences.  You can create one yourself though by going into system 
prefs/keyboards and select the keyboard shortcut tab.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System Preferences 
> with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple menu, then go down 
> to System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a shortcut key that will 
> bring it right up.  I remember it being something like option+F12.  I know it 
> had the option key and the F12 key as part of the combination, but I don't 
> recall the exacts.  As much as I hang out in there, it would be nice to know. 
>  I should add that I am using Mountain Lion 10.8.2, and I did go under system 
> prefs, keyboard, and I did look on the shortcuts tab, to see if I could find 
> the actual command, but I can't.  Is there another way that I could make this 
> happen?  Don't tell me they took this out of Mountain Lion, as I know in 
> Lion, and in Snow Leopard, it worked fantasticly.  I just don't remember the 
> command.
> 
> Chris Gilland
> Founder of CLG Productions
> http://www.clgproductions.com
> Phone: 803-760-7136
> Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except 
> weekends and holidays
> 
> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
> 
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Cheree Heppe
Cheree Heppe here:
There is a good weather app for the IPad called Celsius that seems to be 
accessible, at least on the installed main page.
I'm looking for an accessible, chiming clock app for my IPads.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPad Mini

On 2013 Whe 17, at 07:56, Rod Skene  wrote:

> There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying to 
> type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for 
> instructions. Hope this helps. Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling 
> errors.
> 
> On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>> I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of it 
>> and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
>>> 
>>> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
>>> 
>>> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am 
>>> not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift 
>>> horse in the mouth? (smile)
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> Rodney
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Can someone refresh my memory regarding System Preferences?

2013-02-17 Thread Chris Gilland
I have seemed to forget completely how on earth to access System Preferences 
with the keyboard.  Yeah, I know about going to the Apple menu, then go down to 
System Preferences, but as I recall, there is a shortcut key that will bring it 
right up.  I remember it being something like option+F12.  I know it had the 
option key and the F12 key as part of the combination, but I don't recall the 
exacts.  As much as I hang out in there, it would be nice to know.  I should 
add that I am using Mountain Lion 10.8.2, and I did go under system prefs, 
keyboard, and I did look on the shortcuts tab, to see if I could find the 
actual command, but I can't.  Is there another way that I could make this 
happen?  Don't tell me they took this out of Mountain Lion, as I know in Lion, 
and in Snow Leopard, it worked fantasticly.  I just don't remember the command.

Chris Gilland
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Rod Skene
There are very nice instructions in the app. If you are in the area trying to 
type, do a two finger flip up in the menu will have an option for instructions. 
Hope this helps. Rod

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling errors.

On 17/02/2013, at 8:43 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
>  I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of it 
> and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
> 
>> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
>> 
>> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
>> 
>> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am 
>> not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift 
>> horse in the mouth? (smile)
>> 
>> Take care.
>> Rodney
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Re: Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Jessica Moss
True, Thanx for passing this on.  Can I get some tips  on how to use it?
  I tried the free version a while back but couldn't make heads or tails of it 
and don't know how to copy/paste using the IPhone yet.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:

> Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.
> 
> So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!
> 
> They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am 
> not sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift 
> horse in the mouth? (smile)
> 
> Take care.
> Rodney
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Fleksy is now free

2013-02-17 Thread Rodney Haynie
Looks like the latest update to Fleksy, now says it is free.

So now there is really no reason not to try out this awesome typing app!

They say it is free now because it has gone to a main stream app. But I am not 
sure where their revenue stream comes from. Oh well, don't look a gift horse in 
the mouth? (smile)

Take care.
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

2013-02-17 Thread Rod Skene
LOL!  your comparison of companies making blind specific products and companies 
making technology with built-in accessibility was hilarious. It is true, like 
comparing a Warden of a   prison and a leader of a democracy.
Rod

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software.  Please excuse any spelling errors.

On 17/02/2013, at 6:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> Actually, to compare HumanWare and the likes of Freedom Scientific to models 
> of accessibility would be like comparing the warden of a prison to the leader 
> of a democracy.  Both these are for profit entities which is fine, but both 
> do not conform to Windows or any other standards, except when absolutely 
> unaboidable.  The reason these blindness accessibility businesses don't 
> conform is because they must set themselves apart from their competition.  If 
> all of the screen reader makers, note taker builders and such followed a 
> standard protocol, as computer builders have been pressured by the market to 
> do, then, blind consumers would only have to compare based on performance.  
> Instead, we as a community sit through flashy demos and broad promises of 
> productivity only to discover, thousands of dollars and massive weeks of 
> struggle later, that the hype does not equal the performance.
> 
> Remember, or maybe not, when computer builders sought to set themselves apart 
> by making differently configured keyboards and different command sequences 
> for their machines and software?  The pressure of the consumer community 
> forced a leveling of that particular landscape so that all a consumer need 
> worry about involved the operation of the unit or program.
> 
> The blindness gadgetry falls into the early mistaken mold of wanting to 
> distinguish itself by things other than strict performance.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
> 
> On 2013 Whe 16, at 20:59, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> 
>> That fine line between striving for fare access and thinking access should 
>> be the primary goal. Access first is HumanWare freedom and the like and I 
>> find using the App Store far easier and accessible than learning most of 
>> their offerings. 
>> 
>> It often seems to me the community is polarised between wanting to climb 
>> mountains and fly plains and expecting the world to totally conform to there 
>> wants and needs. I'll sit in the middle and work a little harder to learn 
>> how to do things and occasionally fail but remain truly great full for what 
>> I have. 
>> 
>> Thank you apple. Go ahead and make something pretty. Just so long as I can 
>> still use it efectively how Can I complain. You don't have to make it 
>> accessible at all! I will report bugs and make suggestions for improving and 
>> will grumble over things I don't like but I won't expect you and yours to 
>> make decisions based on me first. 
>> 
>> Danny. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 17/02/2013, at 1:56 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> This fascinates me.  Whenever a change in accessibility is made that 
>>> impairs us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to 
>>> make allowances for the visuals among us.  Does that strike anyone as 
>>> backward thinking?
>>> 
>>> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer 
>>> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what 
>>> is useful.  Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm 
>>> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language.
>>> 
>>> The previous iteration worked.  This iteration is convoluted and 
>>> restrictive.
>>> 
>>> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing 
>>> the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest 
>>> version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those 
>>> needing the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence.
>>> 
>>> I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself.
>>> 
>>> My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into 
>>> that area.  My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be 
>>> compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the 
>>> Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc.
>>> 
>>> Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability 
>>> features.  An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we 
>>> have the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face.  There are always 
>>> those pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left 
>>> with.
>>> 
>>> Accessibility features aid everyone.  There should not be a stigma in how 
>>> accessibility is introduced into a product.  If there is doubt, the 
>>> accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of 
>>> other modalities,.  Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so tha

Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

2013-02-17 Thread Cheree Heppe
Cheree Heppe here:

Actually, to compare HumanWare and the likes of Freedom Scientific to models of 
accessibility would be like comparing the warden of a prison to the leader of a 
democracy.  Both these are for profit entities which is fine, but both do not 
conform to Windows or any other standards, except when absolutely unaboidable.  
The reason these blindness accessibility businesses don't conform is because 
they must set themselves apart from their competition.  If all of the screen 
reader makers, note taker builders and such followed a standard protocol, as 
computer builders have been pressured by the market to do, then, blind 
consumers would only have to compare based on performance.  Instead, we as a 
community sit through flashy demos and broad promises of productivity only to 
discover, thousands of dollars and massive weeks of struggle later, that the 
hype does not equal the performance.

Remember, or maybe not, when computer builders sought to set themselves apart 
by making differently configured keyboards and different command sequences for 
their machines and software?  The pressure of the consumer community forced a 
leveling of that particular landscape so that all a consumer need worry about 
involved the operation of the unit or program.

The blindness gadgetry falls into the early mistaken mold of wanting to 
distinguish itself by things other than strict performance.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPad Mini

On 2013 Whe 16, at 20:59, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> That fine line between striving for fare access and thinking access should be 
> the primary goal. Access first is HumanWare freedom and the like and I find 
> using the App Store far easier and accessible than learning most of their 
> offerings. 
> 
> It often seems to me the community is polarised between wanting to climb 
> mountains and fly plains and expecting the world to totally conform to there 
> wants and needs. I'll sit in the middle and work a little harder to learn how 
> to do things and occasionally fail but remain truly great full for what I 
> have. 
> 
> Thank you apple. Go ahead and make something pretty. Just so long as I can 
> still use it efectively how Can I complain. You don't have to make it 
> accessible at all! I will report bugs and make suggestions for improving and 
> will grumble over things I don't like but I won't expect you and yours to 
> make decisions based on me first. 
> 
> Danny. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17/02/2013, at 1:56 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> This fascinates me.  Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs 
>> us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make 
>> allowances for the visuals among us.  Does that strike anyone as backward 
>> thinking?
>> 
>> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer 
>> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what 
>> is useful.  Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm 
>> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language.
>> 
>> The previous iteration worked.  This iteration is convoluted and restrictive.
>> 
>> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing 
>> the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest 
>> version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing 
>> the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence.
>> 
>> I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself.
>> 
>> My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into 
>> that area.  My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be 
>> compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the 
>> Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc.
>> 
>> Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability 
>> features.  An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have 
>> the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face.  There are always those 
>> pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with.
>> 
>> Accessibility features aid everyone.  There should not be a stigma in how 
>> accessibility is introduced into a product.  If there is doubt, the 
>> accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of 
>> other modalities,.  Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that 
>> somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and 
>> judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form.
>> 
>> The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible.  The IBooks store is iffy and 
>> tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before 
>> the new IOS iteration.
>> 
>> So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand 
>> through BookShare?
>> 
>> Anybody out there listening?  I hope so, be