Re: Paramout Plus apple tv and iPhone app accessibility

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

We currently get Paramount+ to Apple TV+ application. Before we did that, plus Vapplication was accessible. But I have not tried for a year and a half.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 9:18 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:All:Is the Paramount plus app on Apple TV and iPhone accessible?I currently subscribe to this streaming service via Amazon prime channel, and it is accessible.Unfortunately they are doing a price hike in August. I was thinking about going through the app and getting annual plan before it increased.



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Re: Ambiguity of "Double-Press Home" has me frustrated

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello,
If you are on a lock screen or the list of notifications then the default for 
double tap  home is to bring up the wallet. There is  a setting in Settings 
panel Wallet and Apple Pay to turn this function off, but then double tapping 
in notifications just does nothing.
Jonathan Cohn
a 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2024, at 12:50 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I double-press home I usually lad on my list of open apps. There is
> where I can swipe up with 3 fingers to close, or double tap on an app to
> return to it. So far so good.
> 
> The frustration is that sometimes, in circumstances I still can't fully
> define even after half a year with my iphone as my primary phone, that's
> not what happens when I double tap on home. Rather I go into Apple Pay
> with the prompt "Pay with Touch ID. Hold near reader."
> 
> I thought assigning the same gesture to multiple outcomes was a serious
> UX design violation. What part of good design am I not understanding.
> 
> Here's the really annoying bit. Afaik, there's no way to exit out of the
> "Pay with Touch" screen. I'm stuck until the phone determines to return
> me to another screen.
> 
> On Android I would simply invoke the Back gesture (or the Back button),
> but there ain't no such thing on IOS! 
> 
> Colour me purple angry.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> I am stuck this way as well. And my resolution suggests I wait to see
>> what's announced this fall.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>   Thanks, that helped as I did not hear that correctly. Now I also need a
>>> new iPhone as my 8+ is not supported. Soon I hope to get both.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/2024 9:30 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
 S/M = small to medium, typically 130-180mm; M/L mean medium to large,
 typically 150-200mm. 1 inch equals 25mm, so if you have an eight-inch
 wrist, you'll want the M/L band.
 
 
 On 6/4/2024 12:12 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Going through the choices on the Apple store app, some of them say
> ,"s/l" "m/l". What do they mean? Again, thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/4/2024 6:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> ET,
>> 
>> This really is a question of personal taste.  Personally,I find
>> the default band a little too casual.  I wanted something I
>> would be comfortable wearing when dressed up.  So I have the
>> Milanese band???at least I think that???s what it???s called. 
>> It???s a metal band with clasp, and I like it much better than
>> any of the bands that come with the watch.
>> 
>> Another thing to remember is that you are not limited to
>> Apple???s band selection.  You can also buy a band from Amazon. 
>> That???s what my husband did, and he???s been very happy with
>> his.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:40 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Steve and Donna,
>>>Appreciate this. I am quite willing to save myself $100.
>>> My iPhone is always with me.
>>> 
>>>What about the watch band? If I was in walking distance
>>> of an Apple store, I could go there and look.Other than
>>> colors, is the default band decent? Thanks.
>>> 
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/2024 9:54 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hi ET,
 I agree with everything that others have said.  The one
 thing I would add is that personally, I don???t really
 like taking phone calls on my watch.  This is, of
 course, subjective, but I mention it because if I
 remember correctly, you have hearing loss, and the
 reason I don???t like using the watch for phone calls,
 is that the sound isn???t very good.  It might be
 something that wouldn???t be useful for you, and that
 that case, the option of using your watch without your
 phone would be less wortwhile.  I don???t carry my phone
 with me all the time.  When I???m at home I set it down
 and leave it in one place, and it still syncs with the
 watch.  As you can probably tell, personally, I don???t
 think the cellular version is worth the extra money.
 Best,
 Donna
> On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:52 PM, 'E.T.' via
> MacVisionaries 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>Looking at the options that are available. Do I

Re: Apple Health App

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

WWDC is starts June 10, but generally no no new products are announced at WWDC 
has not announced new products. So after that, usually nothing new is announced 
until new iPhones come out in late September early October.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2024, at 8:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    When is the next Apple event, anyone know? I may wait until I hear before 
> I decide on an Apple watch.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 5/30/2024 4:46 PM, Jessica Barr wrote:
>> That's right, I had forgotten about that. I have the Series 8, and mine 
>> still has the oxygen sensor. It isn't something I typically use, but I just 
>> tried it to see if it was still available to me and how it worked. I 
>> purchased my Apple Watch long before that lawsuit, though. New Apple Watches 
>> will be coming in a few months. It will be interesting to hear what new 
>> features and capabilities they will have.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> Date: Thursday, May 30, 2024 01:31 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Health App
>> Hi ET,
>> I have the series 9.  But one thing to know is that Apple got sued for a 
>> patent violation with the Oxygen sensor.  So The watch 9 no longer comes 
>> with that capability.  With that in mind, depending on your needs of course, 
>> you might want to consider the less expensive series 8.  It also contains 
>> the emergency alert technology and the fall detection.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>>> On May 30, 2024, at 7:00 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna and others,
>>>   Appreciate the input. This is quite interesting, the potential benefits. 
>>> I took a quick look and see that the series 9 starts at about $400 and the 
>>> Ultra 2 at about $700 something. I think the series 9 warrants a further 
>>> look. Which model do you have? Thanks much.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>> -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 5/29/2024 9:56 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi ET,
>>>> Not Jonathan, but the watch has:
>>>> Emergency alerts
>>>> Fall detection
>>>> Heart monitoring, including EKG
>>>> I know from personal experience that the emergency feature on the watch 
>>>> works quite well.  A year and a half ago, when I was in a car accident, my 
>>>> watch called 911, and also all of my emergency contacts.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On May 30, 2024, at 12:14 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>>   In brief, how would an Apple watch benefit me? Thanks much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/29/2024 1:22 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>>>> Apple Watch.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> On May 29, 2024, at 1:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>   I am considering some kind of medical device that can interface with 
>>>>>>> the health app. Can't think off hand the names of these devices but 
>>>>>>> something that can be useful in the event I have a medical emergency. 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>>>> -Helen Keller
>>>>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Apple Health App

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Apple Watch.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2024, at 1:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>   I am considering some kind of medical device that can interface with the 
> health app. Can't think off hand the names of these devices but something 
> that can be useful in the event I have a medical emergency. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: HTML question.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

OK, now I understand better where you’re coming from. I’ve always wondered 
about the accessibility of Square space and its equivalence. That is a great 
asset that you’re improving it. I guess the next question is are you at all 
familiar with the developer tool within the browser that you primarily use be 
that safari or Chrome. 
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> On May 25, 2024, at 3:36 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got it!
> 
> So, I gather you're more or less up to speed on markup errors that you
> need to know about to do your auditing job. Yes?
> 
> Now you're learning HTML in an ostensibly more structured way, i.e.
> using online courses from W3Schools. Can you say why? Do you have a
> specific goal for that knowledge and skillset?
> 
> I don't know about you, but I've always thrived better in in person
> classes where I can get guidance and support from a teacher willing to
> understand the strengths and challenges I bring into class. Very likely
> these are not exactly what my classmates bring to the party. Not all
> teachers are good at that, just as sighted colleagues aren't always good
> at understanding the nonvisual framwork from which you operate. However,
> the ones that do can be enormously helpful in guiding one into what to
> study hard and what you can safely ignore for now. A self-guided on line
> curriculum isn't going to give you that unless it happens to be an
> online course built for blind users, such as come from Hadley.
> 
> To take it back to your first post, you do need to understand and deal
> with div and class; but, you should be clear which is HTML and which is
> CSS. Because, if you don't, you're just ticking off boxes based on a
> partial understanding. I've never found that kind of partial
> understanding all that useful, personally.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jessica Moss writes:
>> Ok, so in a nutshell, I audit web sites I???ve been sent either through 
>> squarespace that haven???t gone live yet, or am sent ones that already have 
>> to recheck to make sure links are clickable via screenreader/keyboard, 
>> links/elements have proper alt text, and accordion style buttons expand and 
>> collapse when they???re supposed to, and that Voiceover reads out when they 
>> do just that.  If this isn???t happening, I audit my findings in a 
>> spreadsheet in excel and send my findings back.  So there???s been a goal in 
>> place for me for years for me to learn HTML and I???ve been simply trying to 
>> navigate my way through w3schools, but since the main things I???d be 
>> needing to focus on appear to be 1 of 3 things, adding proper alt text to 
>> links that just say dreaded things like ???click here,??? ???learn more??? 
>> etc., adding alt text to a completely blank Iframe, that most sighted people 
>> don???t think needs alt text, because to them it just looks like a window 
>> they can see through to find what???s imbedded into the site, and last but 
>> not least, figuring out what???s not making an expandable button expand the 
>> way it needs to be, or if it is, why it???s not reading out why it???s 
>> expanded.
>>  So with all that being said, I think I just need a better understanding of 
>> what lessons I can skip over for now in order to find what I need to work 
>> with in order to learn to make that happen.
>> 
 On May 25, 2024, at 2:45???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jessica:
>>> 
>>> This will be a somewhat longer response to your question and I hope it's
>>> helpful. Apologies in advance if it's not as comprehensive as I would
>>> like to make it, i.e. with relevant links for good additional info,
>>> etc., etc.
>>> 
>>> My first comment is an observation about getting help from sighted
>>> colleagues. Frankly, they often don't know how to talk to us blind
>>> folks. That's true in digital environs just as it is in physical
>>> environs.
>>> 
>>> Pointing this out takes me to my first response to you about certain
>>> HTML elements, specifically the div element. It's just a container. You
>>> can deploy it to contain anything you want, actually. The sighted world
>>> loves it for the look and feel opportunities it provides.
>>> 
>>> Other HTML elements are clearly structural, e.g. the list elements you
>>> were pointed to in this thread. Yes, we blind folks tend to love the
>>> more structural elements simply because we benefit from clearly
>>> organized and well marked up content. I suppose most of us wish we saw
>>> that more often, but I digress.
>>> 
>>> The take-away so far is the notion of containers. The div element isn't
>>> the only one, but it's widely used, so understanding that it's just a
>>> bucket is important, imo.
>>> 
>>> Next I want to share an architectural overview with you. In my
>>> understanding there are three important code streams in most web content
>>> as follows:
>>> 
>>> 1.)HTML
>>> 
>>> This is the structural content organizing code defined by the WHAT
>>> Working Group (and 

Re: HTML question.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

So you have been using a few element:
..  ul unordered list
2 ol ordered list 
3. li list item

You might have used html, title, head, and  body elements.  
I’d love to explain more, but I’m getting very frustrated. Trying to use the 
touch keypad on my iPhone and I don’t have a regular computer with me until 
after the holiday is over.


Sent from my iPhon

> On May 24, 2024, at 4:35 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> That would be wonderful.  Unfortunately what you’re describing at this point 
> is making no sense to me, and as of now, I’ve only gotten so far as being 
> able to create ordered/unordered lists.
> 
>> On May 24, 2024, at 4:26 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Jessica
>> Do you understand what an html element is? Div are only one type of element 
>> and not a very useful one at that.
>> A Div is a generic block element.
>> 
>> Class is one attribute of all elements  for css and JavaScript the words of 
>> the class attributes are often used as selectors  for example in bootstrap 
>> system the class sr_only is used for text that is invisible to sighted users 
>> but is read by screen readers. Elements in general, have some sort of 
>> meeting, but the class attribute only has meeting in a specific system. We 
>> can discuss more after the holiday if you would like.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> Sure, that actually would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I understand..actually I do not use Linux directly either.  No screen 
>>>> reader that works with my needs.
>>>> Still,  my hope was thinking of it like a file might help.
>>>> Would you mind if I asked a few  people?
>>>> HTML is such an important foundation for inclusive web creation, and 
>>>> clearly you are dedicated to become the best professional you can.
>>>>> On Fri, 24 May 2024, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>>>> While I completely get designing a site in html, I unfortunately don’t 
>>>>> know anything about using Linux.  We weren’t taught that during the time 
>>>>> I was in school, and I literally went straight from using an Apple 2 
>>>>> machine to learning Windows.  Then the main experience I got learning the 
>>>>> Mac, actually came from this list, along with what used to be 
>>>>> Blindcooltech’s podcasts.
>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>> speaking personally?
>>>>>> This may be a question of tool, and  how you consider the process.
>>>>>> Again speaking personally, I am not sure, at least for me, that the 
>>>>>> folder image  is the best so to speak.
>>>>>> My own personal website,  No I am not blowing my own horn smiles,
>>>>>> www.karenlewellen.com
>>>>>> Was done in html.
>>>>>> I insisted on this so I could, as I often need to, update things on my 
>>>>>> own.
>>>>>> Pull up a page in a editor and so forth..but that is me.
>>>>>> It may be helpful, if you are interested, to connect with Linux users  
>>>>>> who also live with sight loss.
>>>>>> Some of them  are more used to this kind of editing with their ears, and 
>>>>>> are  more likely to have a solid tool to suggest.
>>>>>> Does that resonate?
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>> On Fri, 24 May 2024, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>>>>>> I’m attempting to proceed further in learning HTML, and have been 
>>>>>>> having one of my coworkers help when he’s had some spare time.  
>>>>>>> However, with him having completely usable vision, and trying to 
>>>>>>> explain to me how certain portions of this work, divs and classes being 
>>>>>>> a big thing, that’s where this becomes interesting, and makes me wonder 
>>>>>>> how often will I use these, and should I just leave styling type 
>>>>>>> elements such as these to someone who has more knowledge and can 
>>>>>>> actually see where they need to go.
>>>>>>> He’s told me that it’s like putting items into a folder when dealing 
>>>>>>> with html divs/classes, but that’s as far as I’ve gotten, considering 
>>>>>>> the fact that while I understand the concept of havin

Re: HTML question.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Jessica 
Do you understand what an html element is? Div are only one type of element and 
not a very useful one at that. 
A Div is a generic block element. 

Class is one attribute of all elements  for css and JavaScript the words of the 
class attributes are often used as selectors  for example in bootstrap system 
the class sr_only is used for text that is invisible to sighted users but is 
read by screen readers. Elements in general, have some sort of meeting, but the 
class attribute only has meeting in a specific system. We can discuss more 
after the holiday if you would like.
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Sure, that actually would be greatly appreciated.
> 
>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I understand..actually I do not use Linux directly either.  No screen reader 
>> that works with my needs.
>> Still,  my hope was thinking of it like a file might help.
>> Would you mind if I asked a few  people?
>> HTML is such an important foundation for inclusive web creation, and clearly 
>> you are dedicated to become the best professional you can.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, 24 May 2024, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I completely get designing a site in html, I unfortunately don’t know 
>>> anything about using Linux.  We weren’t taught that during the time I was 
>>> in school, and I literally went straight from using an Apple 2 machine to 
>>> learning Windows.  Then the main experience I got learning the Mac, 
>>> actually came from this list, along with what used to be Blindcooltech’s 
>>> podcasts.
>>> 
 On May 24, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jessica,
 speaking personally?
 This may be a question of tool, and  how you consider the process.
 Again speaking personally, I am not sure, at least for me, that the folder 
 image  is the best so to speak.
 My own personal website,  No I am not blowing my own horn smiles,
 www.karenlewellen.com
 Was done in html.
 I insisted on this so I could, as I often need to, update things on my own.
 Pull up a page in a editor and so forth..but that is me.
 It may be helpful, if you are interested, to connect with Linux users  who 
 also live with sight loss.
 Some of them  are more used to this kind of editing with their ears, and 
 are  more likely to have a solid tool to suggest.
 Does that resonate?
 Karen
 
 
 
 On Fri, 24 May 2024, Jessica Moss wrote:
 
> I’m attempting to proceed further in learning HTML, and have been having 
> one of my coworkers help when he’s had some spare time.  However, with 
> him having completely usable vision, and trying to explain to me how 
> certain portions of this work, divs and classes being a big thing, that’s 
> where this becomes interesting, and makes me wonder how often will I use 
> these, and should I just leave styling type elements such as these to 
> someone who has more knowledge and can actually see where they need to go.
> He’s told me that it’s like putting items into a folder when dealing with 
> html divs/classes, but that’s as far as I’ve gotten, considering the fact 
> that while I understand the concept of having a physical folder, where 
> you’d have deviders separating your homework assignments from your tests 
> and quizzes for example, how would I style an existing template I’ve 
> already started building in that same manner, without being able to see 
> it, and know that I’ve done it correctly?
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Anybody noticed issues with live regions in Sonoma?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

>From a teams chat at my company

TEAMS, James Edwards replied, This message has been edited., I've just updated 
to Sonoma 14.5 and I'm getting exactly what you've described -- live regions 
not announced at all. They're not accessible from the Rotor either (even though 
I added them to the rotor list in the VO Utility). And arrow-key navigation 
inside listboxes doesn't work anymore, and native keystrokes don't account for 
aria-activedescendant, so my Drag and Drop script is completely broken.
 
VO is a joke. , 10:46 AM, Message contains mentions
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Re: How to disable stolen device protection when Touch ID does not work

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If the phone knows where your home location is, you should be able to bypass 
the touch ID prompt at your home address. Otherwise you’re pretty much out of 
luck. I’m sure Apple has some kind of workaround.
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> Hello,
> I am running IOS 17.5 on my iPhone se 2020. I have stolen device protection 
> set
> I have stolen device protection set on with delay always set on. Alas my 
> fingerprint is not recognised by Touch ID and so I need to add another 
> fingerprint. Whenever I try to do this the iPhone asks me to authenticate 
> with Touch id which does not work. I have tried waiting for over 1 hour and 
> trying again but that does not work. I cannot find any way to fix the problem 
> by entering my passcode to authenticate.
> Can anyone explain how the delay works? What causes the delay clock to start, 
> what should I do while the 1 hour delay clock is running, how do I know when 
> the delay is up, and then what do I do to add the new fingerprint in a way 
> which does not require Touch ID to authenticate.
> Many thanks for any ideas.
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Re: Authorization

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Tried to authorizing any unused computers
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>    Any other ideas, Herbie?
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>> On 5/9/2024 10:04 AM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>> Have you tried redownloading the media you purchased?]
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>>> Hello,
>>>   After having redone Ventura, I've been changing settings, putting third 
>>> party apps back, etc. Then I updated my media  which is on an external 
>>> drive. Apple TV 4k sees all the media. but when I try to play something, I 
>>> get the dialog to authorize my computer. It is, ans have authorized 2 out 
>>> of 5 so am good there. But I cannot get past this one. Ideas? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: ebook formats

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EPUB are essentially zip archive files that very much should resemble Daisy 
books once they have been unzipped. Generally the text content of the book 
available will be in HTML or XML with HTML like tax. they can also include 
audio portions and files to synchronize the text with the audio.
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> On May 6, 2024, at 6:18 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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Fwd: Coming up Saturday — Voiceover for Mac Discussion Group

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Sent from my iPhoneBegin forwarded message:From: 'Chancey Fleet' via Technology Programs at Andrew Heiskell Braille & Talking Book Library Date: February 22, 2024 at 6:38:28 AM ESTTo: heiskellt...@googlegroups.comSubject: Coming up Saturday — Voiceover for Mac Discussion GroupReply-To: Chancey Fleet 







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Re: Sorting Status Menu Items

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I believe  there is an app called bartender that can be used to control the status menus. I have never looked at itSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2024, at 10:01 AM, John Panarese  wrote:    If there is a way to rearrange them, I am not noticing anything via VoiceOver. You cannot drag and drop in the status bar itself and I don’t see a way in the Control Center settings to arrange the order.
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:Never tried to do that,  Just went with the default.
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Re: Random generators for iOS I need an app that will beep randomly every 10 seconds or so in an interval that I can specify. For example if I wanted to beep somewhere within a window between 3 to 10

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I can’t imagine a app that would be generated just for that, but who knows. It 
should be possible to do something like that with the Shortcuts app. Then you 
would have to program it yourself though.
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Fwd: Coming up Saturday: Voiceover for Mac Discussion Group

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Re: Password in the Terminal

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that is the way it is supposed to work. Even for sighted people. 
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>   When I ran something in the Terminal, I was asked for the password. I got 
> no feedback from Voiceover so wondering how I should enter it. Thanks.
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Re: Virus Alert Etc.

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I haven’t seen one of these for a while, easiest thing to do is to turn off 
your network. But that point the page  can’t go out and reload. And you can 
close all of your Safari windows. it can also help if you have the develop menu 
in safari available to Turn off JavaScript there.  is a shortcut key to do that 
but I never remember it might be command shift J. 
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> I apologize in advance for the cross posting. I accidentally opened a website 
> I didn’t want to open, and  ow I keep receiving messages that I need to renew 
> my virus protection, which of course is a lot of junk.
>When I go into the notification Center, and hit VO-Command-Space, I can 
> close it, but it comes right back. I know there is a way to clear this notice 
> for good, but I can’t think of the keystrokes to accomplish this.  I have not 
> activated anything, but I would like to get rid of this notification.
> Thanks in advance for the assistance, and again, I am sorry for the 
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Re: What is this? And how do I get rid of it? ͏ ͏ combining “graphene joiner

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It is a special Unico character meant to prevent characters from joining to each other. It shouldn’t be used regularly, but seems to be used in mail from constant contact or are there such mailers to try to make you open the email to actually see the contents. The only way I know to get rid of. It would be to put those three words into the dictionary for pronunciation.You can read all about it on Wikipedia. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 21, 2023, at 8:03 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi Brad,Auto detect was selected, so I changed it with no results.Thanks,RobOn Dec 21, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:I’m thinking this could be something that is not English.Try going into the Speech Attributes Rotor, and change the Language setting to Automatically Detect Language, and see if that does anything.
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On Dec 21, 2023, at 10:54, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries  wrote:Dear List,I get this in a lot of emails on My Mac running Monterey 12.7.2.It does not happen on IOS.It is saying combining “graphene joiner”It seems to be in the subject line, because I can not find it in the body of the email.It seems to repeat over and over until I stop it.I got VoiceOver to copy last phrase to clipboard so I could paste it here.unread Apple Music Enjoy Apple Music for 3 months free. 10:25 AM Don’t forget to redeem yours. ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3E9F1E88-1C44-49D4-991E-4F577758D044%40icloud.com.

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Re: Google drive on a Mac

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Yes, mirroring is the process of keeping two copies in synchronization with 
each other.
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> On Nov 18, 2023, at 4:23 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> thanks. I did get that far but I don’t understand what some of these choices 
> are. am I trying to mirror files? I want to see everything that’s in my drive 
> in the google drive folder on my computer and if I make changes in either 
> place I want to see it reflected in the other. what choice is that? so far I 
> haven’t been able to get it to sync on my computer.
> 
> many thanks.
> Lorie
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>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Simon Cavendish  
>> wrote:
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>> Dear Lorie,
>> 
>> You need to go to menu extra, find Google drive and vo+space on it.  You 
>> will be presented with a number of choices.  Press “more” and you should be 
>> in the preferences for Google Drive.  There you can determine whether your 
>> files sync and are available off-line.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
 On 18 Nov 2023, at 07:13, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m trying to get my files on Google drive to show up on my computer but I 
>>> guess I’m not telling it the right thing. I installed google drive on the 
>>> computer and the alias is there but it shows that all my files are up to 
>>> date and there’s not a thing in mydrive on my commputer. how do I get them 
>>> to sync up?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Headphones on iPhone 15 Pro

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You might be able to feaix this in settings passcode. Look for accessories near 
the bottom. It says Unlock iPhone to allow accessories to connect when it has 
been more than an hour since your iPhone was locked. 
 
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> Hi!
> I don’t believe you can change anything in any setting.
> Check if the plug is  really connected.
> I use bluetooth as this is no issue.
> /A
> 
>> 17 nov. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Paul Hopewell :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am running IOS 7.1.1 on my iPhone 15 Pro. As I rely on VoiceOver  there is 
>> a lot of audio. I listen to this using headphones via a USBC to 3.5 mm jack 
>> adapter.
>> Sometimes the audio comes from the iPhone speaker rather than from the 
>> headphones which disturbs my wife especially when I wake up in the morning. 
>> I then have to enter my phone authentication passcode to get the audio to go 
>> to the headphones.
>> Is there anything I can do to force audio to go to the headphones whenever 
>> they are plugged in in all circumstances? Any phone settings?
>> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Apple Announcement?

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New MacBook, pros and IMAX.
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> I’m traveling right now, and so couldn’t watch yesterday’s Apple event.  
> Could anyone share some of the highlights?
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Re: Hiding iOS Apps

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello I pressed purchases that I pressed my purchases. Then I got a list of 
purchases, but selected one of them and swiped up. There was a hide option. Not 
sure if this is what you wanted to do or not.
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>    Not true. I just cannot at the moment remember the steps needed.
> 
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>> On 10/9/2023 6:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> Not sure you can. The App Store seems to always remember what you have 
>> previously downloaded and purchased.
>> Dave Carlson
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>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 4:22 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello all,
>>   After deleting apps on the iPhone, how does one hide them in the app 
>> store? Thanks.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

There is a toggle command for VO keys but it is not used much and its functionality has decresed now that the rotar and quicknav keys are available. The quicknav keys work like JAWS virtual cursor, but are only toggled manually by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time.  Personally I like using a keyboard with a numpad and turning on numpad commander then 2, 4, 6, and 8 do the VO  commands up, left, right and down.     Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:I’m still new whe it comes to the Mac.  Is this a toggle command?  On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:40 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries  wrote:






That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends.Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse pointer there won’t do it. 


From:
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Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward.






















 
- Brad -


On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly
 at the beginning of the newsletter again.  Even when I route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using arrow keys.
 

Andrew




On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
 

I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your problems here.

I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the
 very annoying aspect. 

Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.

 



From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them
 - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail.


 



Andrew









On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown  wrote:


 


I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
can just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and a
couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.

On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:





Hi,

I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
performance is tremendous and you will notice it.

For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the
exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
duration.

For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO.
You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.

Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to
get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.

The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS.
I hope they fix it soon.

Hope that helps,

Mohamed E. Fayed







On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:

My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared
to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously
consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari
is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.

So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac
does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a
coin on the decision.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

Hi 

Re: Scanning & ocr options?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Actually, one  of the options in  contextual menu  that I often see his scan from Jon’s  iPhone. So that should be quite easy to do.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 7, 2023, at 12:57 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

  

  
  
Actually, it would be interesting to know whether you could use
  an iPhone or iPad as the camera.
All of the documents I need to process are PDF files anyway,
  except for what arrives in the mail, and I use an iPhone for that.
To answer the question, I would expect both scanners and cameras
  to be supported.

On 7/8/23 11:59, Traci Duncan wrote:


  
  To add to this question, do you guys use a scanner or document
  camera? What works well with the Mac?
  
  
  Thank you,
  Traci
  

  
On Aug 6, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Brandon Olivares
   wrote:


  
  ABBYY
FineReader is what I use and it works quite well. Very
easy to use.
  

  On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:02 AM, 'jason' via
MacVisionaries 
wrote:
  
  

  
The
  option frequently mentioned is ABBYY
  FineReader for Mac. I haven’t used it, and
  there may be alternatives now.
I
  have used the Windows version (a former
  colleague arranged for my then workplace to
  acquire it, which is how I was introduced to
  it). The document format recognition is very
  good, as is the OCR accuracy. I used it mostly
  to process PDF files containing images of
  printed pages.
 

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  on behalf of Traci Duncan 
  Date: Saturday,
  August 5, 2023 at 15:27
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Scanning
  & ocr options?


  Hi
all, I don’t know much about full scanning
OCR options. I was just reading a bit about
pearl and open book from Jaws. Does the Mac
have solutions like that? One main thing I
want is the ability to know if my reading
material is right side up. I also like the
idea of the layout of the page remaining
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I believe the procedure to do this difference for an M1 Mac from an Intel Mac, do you have the year end computer chip that is in your Mac mini?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 4, 2023, at 8:57 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:I recently needed to have my Mac mini hard-drive replaced.  I’m now having a problem with some of the basic VoiceOver features; for instance, + does not bring up the VoiceOver configuration screen.  Also, QuickNav is not working in web sites.I called Apple support and was advised to re-install MacOS; I was instructed to press + during reboot to initiate the re-installation process.This did not work for me.  Can anybody offer any helpful suggestions?TIA
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Re: simple mac or voiceover question?

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Hello,
I believe that the command E is the correct keyboard combination. Also, you can 
eject discs from the terminal app with the eject command. On occasion, this 
command will not work. In that case you need to use a paper clip in the small 
hole adjacent to the CD Drive.

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> On Jul 29, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> no, its an ibook, which should share the nature of the os. 10.5 I think?
> I am guessing arrow keys can select the cd drive?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2023, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> Is the CD Drive on the Desktop?
>> If so, try selecting it and press command plus E.
>> If not, press command plus shift plus C, then select the CD Drive and press 
>> command plus E.
>> 
>> Is there not a eject button on the CD Drive?
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen  
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>>> Hi,
>>> is there a keystroke that will open the  cd door say from the finder?
>>> Think older editions of  the operating system, leopard for example, or snow 
>>> leopard.
>>> Have a cd stuck and cannot discover how to open the door.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

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Your symptoms are too  vague to be diagnosed without knowing what’s actually 
selected in your mailbox list ', your view menu and your mailbox search area.  
You’ll need to 
 work with  the Apple accessibilty des or talk with somebody can review what 
actually is showing up in your mailbox list in your messages list.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Honestly, I have no idea, I just no that at this point, something has 
> somehow happened where all my deleted messages are now coming back as soon as 
> I delete them, and command+shift+delete no longer erases everything like it 
> used to on either of my mailboxes.  This just randomly happened yesterday, 
> without me having done anything to my settings, so have no idea what needs to 
> be fixed, let alone what could have caused it.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within 
>> all mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder in 
>> some cases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>>> I just noticed yesterday, and have no idea what brought this on, that when 
>>> I launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it 
>>> it had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work 
>>> e-mailbox, which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>>> Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
>>> mail being launched, which I never mess with, but figured I’d attempt to do 
>>> so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to 
>>> see what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both 
>>> sides, my erase-all command is now no longer working, and my messages are 
>>> reappearing as fast as I delete them.  Does anyone know what I could’ve 
>>> accidentally toggled on that I need to fix?
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Re: Anyone using Hot Corners on Mac?

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I believe most of these functions can also be done with keyboard shortcuts. 
When I was becoming a low vision, I found hard corners to be an issue because I 
couldn’t quickly move to the corner to find my mouse. Of course now there’s 
better ways of finding one is then, jumping to the top left and then look in 
there, but that wasn’t always the case. 

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> Hi all,
> 
> I just learned about Hot corners this morning.  Is anyone using them?  Seems 
> like an interesting concept, but from what I can tell, at least for VO users, 
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Re: More strange Mac mail behaviors.

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Are you perhaps, confusing filters and searches? If you do a search within all 
mail that it will look at every folder, including your deleted folder in some 
cases.

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> launched my Apple mail, everything in my personal mailbox looked like it it 
> had completely been erased.  However, everything within my work e-mailbox, 
> which is also gmail-based, was still in tact.
>  Then next thing I knew, Voiceover kept saying something about filters, upon 
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> so to see if I could recover them.  So after doing some playing around to see 
> what would take, I somehow managed to get my mail back, but now on both 
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Re: Having focus problems with VO in all apps on Mac M1 running Monterey 12.6x

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Try looking and see if cursor tracking is turned off. This sounds like the behaviors when that is the case.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2023, at 6:20 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:Guys,

I hardly know where to begin or where to put this.  I’m having some weird problems with my VoiceOver and what I guess is keyboard focus.  This began in Sibelius but has spread to all apps and that's why I'm writing you here.  For some reason, in Sibelius, if VO is running, I can’t select notes or bars by using the shift and arrow keys.  I have limited vision and I know what the screen should look like as notes are selected.  But this doesn’t happen if VO is running.  If I turn VO off, the selection looks as it should.  

Curiously, if VO is on and I press shift and arrow, VO says that things are being selected.  But I know the screen is not reflecting that selection.  

I saved my VO preferences and then cut to default preferences.  Sibelius appeared to behave as it should under VO.  

Further, when I switch apps with CMD TAB, the active window may not show up on screen and new text added to the window may not appear even though ‘VO speaks words or text as it’s typed until I CMD TAB out and back in.  I may even have to turn VO off and back on to see text appear correctly in the active window.  This is highly irregular.  I’ve even seen the graphics of the various apps that show up as you CMD TAB through them remain frozen on the screen after I’ve supposedly settled into my preferred active app/window.   

I don’t want to rebuild my preferences.  There are issues with switching between languages and voices to read in foreign languages I’m attempting to learn.  I don’t have the energy to rebuild a lot of things.  Could anyone give me any pointers on how to debug my VO preferences to figure out what’s wrong?  I suspect there’s one preference that has become mangled by accident.  It’s almost as if Quick Nav is involved when it isn’t.  

Any guidance greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: Another Ventura question, emails I have sent appearing in my Inbox?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Are these messages where you asked a question and never got a response? That 
could explain the followup flagging.
I   

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> On Jun 15, 2023, at 5:09 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yeah, mine have my name, as the sender and receiver, and just contain the 
> original message.  Just FYI, you can turn off the follow-up feature.  Just go 
> into Mail, Settings, and there’s a checkbox under General.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> When I get those sometimes, It will have my name on them, and “followup” in 
>> the subject line, but contain nothing more than the original e-mail in the 
>> message body.
>> 
 On Jun 15, 2023, at 11:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting.  I’ve deleted it already, but I looked next time. Not familiar 
>>> with the follow-up feature, guess I’ll have to check that out. Thanks for 
>>> letting us know this is a bug, Brad.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 15, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 It is the follow up feature, and it is a bug.
 If you open the email, and look above the message header, you will see a 
 banner that tells you this is a message that should be followed up.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 15, 2023, at 09:57, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hmm. No, I don’t see anything that says follow-up. Very strange. Ventura 
 has certainly been a mixed bag. It often seems snappier, but Safari, and 
 all the Safari not responding messages are about to make me throw my Mac 
 at something. (Sigh* And I’m not loving it when VO suddenly starts 
 shouting.  
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
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> 
> Are they showing up with the line “follow up?” This is happening on my 
> end as well, and I always found that interesting, since all that happens, 
> is the original e-mail just shows back up.
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi again, all,
>> 
>> Ever since upgrading to Ventura, I am finding that emails I have sent 
>> appear in my Inbox several days later, as though they had been sent to 
>> me. It doesn’t happen with all messages, and so far, I haven’t been able 
>> to identify a pattern. Anyone know what’s going on here?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: A good translation app for iOS

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Besides, the Apple translation app, Microsoft and Google also have translation apps. All of these have two sections, one for each language.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Re: Link Preview in Facebook on Web

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Try turning off mouse follows voiceover cursor. That should resolve your issue, 
otherwise you can turn off all cursor tracking but that can make opening link’s 
difficult. 

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> Not sure if anyone else has posted about this, but when I’m on Facebook on 
> web (the regular version, not mobile) it’s almost impossible to navigate 
> because every time VoiceOver is on some name or other link, it pops up a 
> dialog that says “link preview” and it’s really hard to get out of it.
> 
> I used to use the mobile version but I can’t click into posts in groups and 
> such because it will just give a connection error.
> 
> Is anyone else experiencing this, and how have you worked around it?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: variable vo volume

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I have sudden volume changes when starting with stopping zoom calls or when using Siri but I’m assuming this is because they have separate volumes associated with them and they’re getting in the way of the voiceover volume temporarily.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 25, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:







Hello Colin I wanted to suggest Delete arr are you using voice over on your iPhone speaker or on a Bluetooth speaker? Create text *** MQ ***

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Try turning off Audio Ducking, and see if that makes any difference.


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On Feb 25, 2023, at 03:23, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:


Hi,

I've noticed lately that my vo volume tends to vary at times.  It mostly happens when I am scrolling through a website.  I am running big sur on a 2013 macbook air.

While this isn't a huge deal, it's very annoying to me so I'd like to fix it.  Anybody know why this happens and what to do about it?

Thanks,
Cait

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Re: Does the Mac store VO diagnostic logs?

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Yes, they’re a diagnostics for the night, I know nothing about sound 
applications. But generally there should be a notification when IYes, there are 
diagnostics for the Mac, I know nothing about sound applications. But generally 
there should be a notification when an application crashes in the notification 
center, which will allow you to send diagnostics to Apple. Type video oh to get 
the notification center open.

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> On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:56 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Two things into one really with this. I have a friend with a 2022 Macbook 
> Air with 16 Gigs ram. It runs Audio Highjack and Loopback just ffine but 
> crashes when they run Soundsource. One, has anyone experienced this issue, 
> but they were also wondering, does VoiceOver store diagnostic information 
> that they could  send to the developers?
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Re: Searching for Street Address in Email Message?

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The keystroke command option F should also bring you to that search area to search for the address.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 3, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Re: Family sharing question.

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> ONe your child reaches a certain age, there is nothing other than 
> communication that can prevent them from charging app purchases to you as the 
> primary family member. DUO Lingo is a free program that has a subscription 
> service if you want to use it for more than about 10 minutes a day. I haven’t 
> used it in about 4 years so I don’t know the cost of a subscription. It might 
> also be that you can pay a one time fee for certain perks.

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Re: Simple Text Editors

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THe translation app could be used in a pinch. Just set both languages to 
English-US . Or even the mail app just keep a draft at the bottom and don’t put 
any recipients in the to or cc fields.
That being said, I am sure there are some simple text editing applications for 
the IOS platform. 

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Re: Help using Time Machine

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OK, two completely different questions about Time Machine.
1. I believe in some cases, you can pick an APP or finder window before you 
start the time Machine process. You will need to experiment a little as I have 
only recovered one or two items with time machine.
2. You can certainly leave your time machine disk plugged in all the time, the 
only disadvantage of this is that if a ransom ware attack gets to your 
computer, there is a good chance they will encrypt all the data on the time 
machine disk too. Some people keep two time machine disks and swap them weekly. 
Or you can use another backup strategy in addition to Time Machine. Also, if 
you have automatic time machine backups turned on, and the time machine disk is 
not available, time machine will still create APFS snapshots that can be used 
to save changes once the disk is available again. Yet another reason to make 
sure you have more free disk space than you really need.

Best Wishes,
Jonathan
> On Jan 29, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Is it ok to leave external drive plugged in permenantly to MacbookPro2017 
> for time machine backup?
> Thanks!
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2023 9:31 AM
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> Subject: Help using Time Machine
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> Dear Group,
> I am using Mac OS Monterey.
> Today I opened my CheckBook Pro app and to my surprise, It was showing my 
> last transactions was December 29th 2022.
> I guess there was a iCloud sync problem between my Big Sur & my Monterey.
> So I have a Time Machine backup from January 22, 2023.
> When I enter Time Machine, it places me on the Desktop. I cant figure out how 
> to navigate to iCloud to find and restore my file.
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
> Thanks,
> Rob
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Re: Creating keyboard shortcuts for an app.

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OK, I believe all you have to do is make sure your capitalization is correct. I 
use VO’s copy last spoken phrase to the clipboard.
 You might need to turnoff the speaking of help text hints since these are 
separate phrases of text.
Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi, yess.
> menu in a specific application
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>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> Sorry, I’m not sure what you are attempting to do. Are you trying to add a 
>> keyboard shortcut for a menu in a specific application?
>> Or are you trying to get a shortcut in the shortcuts app to have a keyboard 
>> shortcut.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 1:56 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi folks.
>>> As the subject says, I’m trying to do this with foobar2000.
>>> The shortcut I want to add is called. Load Playlist …
>>> I’ve written that in the menu, and added the key I wanted, but still know 
>>> luck.
>>> Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Simple Text Editors

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there’s always VI, Emacs and nano. They are all available in the terminal.

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> I have a program on my iPhone and iPad called text editor, and it is just 
> that. A simple text editor. I can’t remember what it cost. But I don’t think 
> it was horribly expensive.
> HTH,
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:03 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>    Not even close to what I want but I did neglect to state that I want a 
>> plain text editor.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
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>> 
 On 1/29/2023 2:39 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>> For the Mac, I generally just use TextEdit and it works fine for me. I also 
>>> like to use the Notes app for keeping quick notes I want to refer back to 
>>> later.
>>> For programming I use PHPStorm. But not sure the type of editor you’re 
>>> looking for.
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  Currently I have the Drafts app for iOS and iPadOS. The main feature I 
 like about this app is it opens directly to the text area. But right now 
 it opens to a prompt to go premium.
 
  So am curious to know if there is another app like that that is free and 
 does not have prompts to go premium. Thanks.
 
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Re: Creating keyboard shortcuts for an app.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Sorry, I’m not sure what you are attempting to do. Are you trying to add a 
keyboard shortcut for a menu in a specific application?
Or are you trying to get a shortcut in the shortcuts app to have a keyboard 
shortcut.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi folks.
> As the subject says, I’m trying to do this with foobar2000.
> The shortcut I want to add is called. Load Playlist …
> I’ve written that in the menu, and added the key I wanted, but still know 
> luck.
> Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Easy airplane toggle?

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I just use Siri on my iPhone to do this.
If you were speaking of the Macintosh, then, if there is a shortcut for 
airplane mode, this could be done to create a shortcut that would then be 
executed by a voiceover hockey.

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> On Jan 26, 2023, at 11:36 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, is there a keyboard shortcut to toggle airplane mode on/off? I’m 
> looking for an easy way to do this instead of navigating to control center 
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> Thanks,
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Re: iOS Commands

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By default, I believe if you use the right command key and a letter, it will 
find the first voiceover item that starts with that letter. I have never found 
it very useful, and it’s been around for a long time.

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>    Is this command used for text search or is it used in Safari? 
> "Single-letter quick search". I don't believe this is the same as 
> "Single-letter Quick Nav". Just reviewing some commands. Thanks.
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Re: Switching Apps

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I don’t know, but that is the default behavior on my iPhone.

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> Hello all,
>   On the iPad mini 5, I have the "Four-finger swipe right / left" gestures 
> assigned to the "Switch to next / previous app" command. This is not working 
> though VO help announces the commands. What might be wrong here? Ideas? 
> Thanks.
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Re: Accessing BCC in Mac Mail?

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Try looking at the few menu under headers or message headers. There should be a show bcc field and a sub menu there.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 30, 2022, at 5:53 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Re: certified apple teacher?

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JAMF is a mDM   mobile device management  service. It used to maintain fleets 
of computers that need to be managed by a school or corporation.

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> On Dec 30, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> There is a specific Apple certification program. John Pannerese would be 
> someone to talk to about specifics.
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 14:40, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I always thought Apple Certified meant Apple Certified. As was Swift 
>> Playground pretty obvious. I have an iPad Pro specifically for learning 
>> Swift but have never quite got around to learning it. Yet another unfinished 
>> goal. However, I always wanted to ask Tim what Jam Certified was.  I asked 
>> all three of my personal assistants but none of them could tell me.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 30, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>>> I am thinking it means he was a certified Apple teacher.
>>> 
 On Dec 30, 2022, at 13:30, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 the Subject line was a part of Tim's signature.
 Anyone know to what this refers?
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Re: Why This Dialog?

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There is also the possibility that an auto shutdown is enabled on the computer. I am 300 miles away from my laptop, so I can’t test this theory.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 30, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:Maybe it is the cat.  LOL!
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Re: Strange behavior with the latest Mac OSX.

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Here’s some information about the butterfly keyboard:Keyboard Service Program for MacBook, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro - Apple Supportsupport.apple.com butterfly keyboard MacBook Pro - Google Searchgoogle.comSent from my iPhone https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooksOn Dec 29, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:The what?On Dec 29, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:You don’t put chance have the infamous butterfly keyboard? This is one of the symptoms when dirt gets in the keyboard.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 28, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:Hi!When such things happens it use. To be that I have something laying on the keyboard such as a calle or anything.SO not sure really what could be causing this./A28 dec. 2022 kl. 23:11 skrev Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com>:Just the standard one that came with my MacBook Pro.On Dec 28, 2022, at 5:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!Not that I am aware of.What keyboard do you have?/A28 dec. 2022 kl. 22:55 skrev Jessica Moss :I’ve been noticing lately since the latest update, that when typing within any app/web page via Voiceover, when I type simple things like T’s/R’s, T’s being the biggest culprit, they will suddenly type multiple times without me even knowing it.  This has just started since I updated, so that’s Gott me curious if anyone else has experienced this.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6E2E1628-C9D5-4FFC-A4E5-DE5E752A8AF4%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0871CDEF-B850-4AB6-B440-318127C3DAB7%40pipkrokodil.se.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5D3111C4-C22A-48F1-BE36-9BBA227405F9%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop recei

Re: Strange behavior with the latest Mac OSX.

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You don’t put chance have the infamous butterfly keyboard? This is one of the 
symptoms when dirt gets in the keyboard.

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> On Dec 28, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> When such things happens it use. To be that I have something laying on the 
> keyboard such as a calle or anything.
> SO not sure really what could be causing this.
> /A
> 
>> 28 dec. 2022 kl. 23:11 skrev Jessica Moss :
>> 
>> Just the standard one that came with my MacBook Pro.
>> 
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>>> Hi!
>>> Not that I am aware of.
>>> What keyboard do you have?
>>> /A
>>> 
 28 dec. 2022 kl. 22:55 skrev Jessica Moss :
 
 I’ve been noticing lately since the latest update, that when typing within 
 any app/web page via Voiceover, when I type simple things like T’s/R’s, 
 T’s being the biggest culprit, they will suddenly type multiple times 
 without me even knowing it.  This has just started since I updated, so 
 that’s Gott me curious if anyone else has experienced this.
 
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Re: Speech History Or Something Similar?

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What happens if speak answers turned on, and when waits for the speak to be spoken. Will that be the last spoken face? I believe so. That might be the issue with that as Fasil was experiencing .Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 28, 2022, at 10:31 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:I frequently use the command VO + Shift + C, to copy last spoken phrase on my Mac. I find it works very well, and is very accurate.- Brad -On Dec 28, 2022, at 18:15, Herbie Allen  wrote:I have not used this feature on the mac, but I have on the iPhone and it’s pretty accurate. Maybe the speech history on the mac needs some work.On Dec 28, 2022, at 17:13, Fazil M.  wrote:Not really, but just curious when we say VO-Shift-c copies the last spoken phrase, does it mean the whole logical and meaningful text spoken in one breath or just a few words or one sentence?I am asking this because when I paste the last spoken utterance, the text does not contain what I want to hear.Thanks! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Herbie AllenSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 2:50 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Speech History Or Something Similar? I dont think we do. Is there anything in particular you are trying to access?On Dec 28, 2022, at 13:49, Fazil M.  wrote: Hi, Group.Do we have something similar in Mac like speech history in Jaws?If yes, how can it be accessed, please?Thanks!  -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159CAFB06DB047AF7CD9FC7C9F29%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/75468AD5-01A1-49AA-BA58-80B2A244D4A0%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB41591B65F499FDD7CB43FDC8C9F29%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.



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Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

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Wow, this is compicated to explain. The vo:j command jumps between major areas of a window. In mail if you have both the messages panel and maibboxes panel open, it skips one of the panels, and just jumps between toolbar, mailboxes and message list. So, you can close the, mailboxes panel, or create a hotspot for the message panel.    Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 27, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
Hi, Group.When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is not reading the text of the message.How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?Thanks!before



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Re: Command for Copying a Phrase on Clipboard?

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That would be command V. Commands Z copies the currently selected item or items to the clipboard.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 26, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Re: Command for Copying a Phrase on Clipboard?

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This command copy is the last thing that voiceover smoke onto your clipboard so you can paste it someplace else.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 26, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Re: All Mail in One box?

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Hey, this means you’re probably look at your all inbox but not quite sure 
because you aren’t very descriptive in your answers. Do you have a mailbox list 
open on the left-hand side of your mail window? If so, then search on down or 
expand the all inbox and look in there.

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> Hi, group.
> I have three email accounts configured to Mail..
> All the incoming messages go to the account they belong to.
> Since yesterday, all the messages come in one box. I don't like all messages 
> in one inbox. I want each message go to the account it belongs to.
> How can I do that as it used to be, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Message Table?

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Sometimes this is automatic, depending on the folder you’re in. But I believe 
in the view menu, there is a selector for which columns are to be added. This 
might depend on whether you were in class if you were standard view, which is 
called something else now.

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> Hi, Group.
> My email messages are in a five column table: Subject, date, from etc.
> Lately, From column, for some unknown reasons,  is replaced with To column 
> and I don’t like it.
> How can I go back to From column again, please?
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Re: Mac Mail

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If you close the mail, preview pane, then the VO J will jump between the 
toolbar the mailbox list and the list of messages.

 You know, of course, there is the command one through 9 to jump to favorite 
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> Hi all,
> I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
> I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one built 
> in 2011 and 2021.
> In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I 
> can be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to 
> jump back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be 
> the open message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail 
> set to show no lines under settings.
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> Thanks for any help,.
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Re: How to block adds on websites?

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Aetually,  all sbbafari adons are now in the mac appstore.  So searching in 
safari for a addon just opens the appstore . 

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> Thanks, Anders.
> Donna
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>> On Nov 9, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I think there’s an Adblocker for safari.
>> Not sure if its ad blocker plus that has a safari version.
>> You can open the safari prefs and go to the add-ons tab and search for it 
>> there I think.
>> /A
>> 
 9 nov. 2022 kl. 17:46 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> 
>>> Can anyone help with this? I have Pop-ups set to block, but I’m still 
>>> getting bombarded with adds on some websites.  How do I stop that? Using 
>>> Safari in Monterrey.
>>> Donna
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Re: how to get apps such as seeing AI to use Front cameras

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I believe that’s completely up to the developer of the software using the camera.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 21, 2022, at 2:56 AM, Michael Marshall  wrote:hey,This particular stand is vertical.On 21 Sep 2022, at 2:39 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:I guess I don’t understand how your stand works. If the phone is horizontal with the camera, facing down toward a document, then the face of the phone with all the controls is facing up. Why is it necessary to flip the phone over to control it and then flip it back, do you use it to scan? Are you getting upside down? Or are you scanning something else? Dave CarlsonWoodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and MusicianOn Sep 20, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:hey,I am the originator.My iPhone 13 pro max has three cameras and one is very slightly covered by the mountain. Another reason why I wanted the front camera is so that I didn't have to turn the phone around to control the app for example and then turn it back to take pictures.This is why I thought the front cameras would be better but from what I have learned in the last couple of days, I definitely can still use the back.I still think you should be able to select cameras in third-party apps.On 21 Sep 2022, at 1:22 am, Dave Carlson  wrote:Why the big push to have front camera available to Seeing AI? Sounded like the originator had a stand for the phone and for some reason could not mount the phone with the rear lens facing down. Let’s hear back from the originator to solve the problem of mounting the phone. The rear camera is a much better camera than the front-facing camera.
Dave CarlsonFarfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker

On Sep 20, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!I think its time to give seeing ai some feedback./A19 sep. 2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Michael Marshall :In my experience, sadly, this has not been the case.On 20 Sep 2022, at 4:10 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:Hi!You seem to be right in your assumption that you can’t find a way to select camera.I tried it because I though you could but it does not work.I was wondering if you could go into the camera app and from there change the camera and then use Seeing Ai./A19 sep. 2022 kl. 10:54 skrev Michael Marshall :hey all,I got an excellent floor tripod stand but I'm having a bit of a problem, it's Mick really to work with the front facing cameras and I would like to get certain apps such as seeing AI and invision to use the front cameras.I have looked in settings and I cannot find anything. Any help would be greatly appreciated.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/23FF808C-7F41-47C5-864C-4DA439C82B19%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6B7DEE74-617A-4978-B51D-A4657EF35E7B%40pipkrokodil.se.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 

Re: I recommend against upgrading to IOS 16

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well, it is my understanding that there is a new iOS subversion, waiting for the iPhone 14‘s to come outSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 15, 2022, at 12:56 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Well, hopefully it will behave better on the 14 than it does on the 12 mini.Cheers,DonnaOn Sep 15, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:If getting a 14 then yes, iOS16 will be installed, and I don’t think there is any way to roll back the iOs.On Sep 15, 2022, at 11:38, Kaare Dehard  wrote:I hope that when you get the new phone that iOS 16 isn’t pre-installed. I have a X R and minimal misbehaving and focus issues have been observed after upgrade. Annoying but nothing that’s been a show-stopper.On Sep 15, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I have not.  I need to upgrade my phone, so I’m just hanging in there until I get my 14 Pro.DonnaOn Sep 15, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:Anyone having really bad issues, have you tried resetting the phone? I know, last ditch effort, but it may fix some things and put you at the point where 16 is usable.Devin Praterr.d.t.pra...@gmail.comOn Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:49 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Did the latter.  I’ll check to make sure screen recognition is off.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:27 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Odd, I have not experienced this issue. I have the known bugs with the lock screen, but everywhere else works just fine. Make sure Screen recognition is off. Also, try turning VO off and then back on.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 20:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
>> 
>> No.  I’m experiencing them while in various apps.  One that jumps to mind is Mail.  I frequently have trouble getting mail messages to open.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I correct in that you are experiencing these double tapping issues on the lock screen?
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2022, at 20:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
 
 I’ve never experienced that until this upgrade.  The strange thing about all this is that the behavior is very inconsistent.  Sometimes I’ll double tap and everything’s good.  Other times I can double-tap and double-tap forever and nothing happens.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
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> We have had that issue for a number of years now. What’s frustrating is it has not been resolved.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 14:21, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve found this to be an issue as well, along with something strange happening with my phone screen this morning.  I went into my recent contacts, and tried calling back someone who was close to the top of the screen, and ended up calling someone else instead, not realizing what happened.
>> Then just to help prevent this from happening again, I decided to go into the more info menu, just to make sure I was calling the right person, and my screen apparently jumped again, and went into information for the wrong contact, and it took about 3 tries for me to select the right one.
>> Is anyone else noticing this?
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> After approx 24 hours with IOS 16, I have come to the conclusion that my phone is only marginally usable.  In addition to the swiping issue previously discussed, I’m also finding that often when I tap an icon or a mail message, the item will not open.  Sometimes I can work around this by doing a tap and hold, but other times I cannot.
>>> 
>>> Everyone’s mileage may vary, of course, and from what I read on AppleVis, the usability may vary from one model to another.  FWIW, I have a 12 mini.  However, I wanted to post this to the list, just to warn others that they might be in for a bumpy ride with IOS 16.  Were I you, I would wait, and hope for another release that fixes some of these issues.  This is the worst accessibility experience I’ve ever had with Apple, since getting my first iPhone in 2009.  I’ve actually written Accessibility to ask about downgrading, which I have never done before.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> P.S.  If others have had a better experience, feel free to post and disagree, so that listers can have the most complete information possible when deciding to upgrade.
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Re: Disk Maintenance

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Defrocking a hardest is really just a Windows issue. UNIX and post he ride 
operating systems have Waze automatic. Also the solid-state describes you’re 
actually doing more harm than good if you buy a new pregnant the desk.
There are some third-party utilities do more complex maintenance, almost one 
thing we should make sure you have at least 10% for the space.

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> On Aug 28, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> I feel quite foolish asking this question, but what options do I select in 
> the Disk Utility to execute a “ScanDisk-like” routine on my Mac Mini?
> 
> I thought I had done so last week, but file access continues to be 
> excessively sluggish.
> 
> I’m thinking that re-arranging the file blocks into contiguous disk space 
> will improve this issue, but if there’s something I should be considering, 
> please advise!
> 
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Re: getting started with apple script

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Not that I’m aware of, but I know AppleScript  fairly well. What are you trying 
to do?

The scripting dictionary for TextEdit is fairly limited. The application only 
has a document object and the document object has a standard suite text object. 
You can create attachment object and place them in a part of the text. I'm not 
very familiar with the possible attributed strings in text objects, but I 
suspect that you can set things like number and bulleted lists, font info and 
justification. 

So, if you want to create a VO key that opens textedit and creates a new 
document with the date in it and a first line of Notes for Today. That should 
be fairly 
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> On Jun 29, 2022, at 3:00 PM, christopher moore  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Are there any tutorials on apple-script?  I want to write a simple keyboard 
> macro for textEdit.
> simple.
If you want something that will enter Jonathan C Cohn every time you type xic 
then AppleScript is not the right tool, and for that matter, since TextEdit 
uses the standard text editing widget that most Apple based tools use for text, 
some more advanced functions might be better handled with the text input tools 
suite this is where the controls that move you to the end of line when you type 
control-E and the beginning of line with control-A are defined.

> TIA
> Chris
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Re: a security / privacy settings question.

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Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.

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> hi Tim,
> Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple support, 
> the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me as I 
> learn this machine.
> As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice 
> I will likely be fine.
> but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
> Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
> If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
> created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way to 
> provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
> best,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to 
>> see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show 
>> Password” option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do 
>> bring up some good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for 
>> them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the 
>> MacOS there are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is 
>> still that the full entry of the password is required after restart or 
>> logout for security reasons.  I will need to check with someone at Apple if 
>> there’s some other way that I’m not aware of that would allow for password 
>> entry for someone with dexterity challenges.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
 On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> Thanks as always.
>>> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
>>> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used 
>>> to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
>>> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not 
>>> let you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like 
>>> rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
>>> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
>>> nature of the door if that resonates.
>>> If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more 
>>> time to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be one 
>>> thing.
>>> As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
>>> resonate with that  situation.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as 
 you being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific 
 web-site for downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted 
 Developers is your best option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after 
 sleep or screen saver, yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll preface 
 this by saying that when you disable this feature, you are leaving your 
 Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, if you are comfortable 
 with that risk, or have other physical reasons for preferring your Mac not 
 to behave this way, then the setting is in the Security & Privacy pane of 
 System Preferences under the General tab.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
> 
> Understood now, and noted.
> may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at 
> all  laughs.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no 
>> choice but to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by 
>> Apple before submission. The other result is that if someone wants you 
>> to run they're program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. 
>> The Mac however is a  different animal. We can use Safari to download 
>> directly and the system is not directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it 
>> on the iPhone, App  store, no other way though it might work through 
>> Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the Mac App store. There are 
>> some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want the actual program 
>> the company provides, you have to go to there website. It’s a safe app 
>> to download, but I don’t know if 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. 

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> Hi,
> 
> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
>>> is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
>>> intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I 
>>> also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in 
>>> Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>>> 
>>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
>>> is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
>>> removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
>>> then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
>>> unless the drive was a problem.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
 Catalina.
 I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
 told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
 preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox 
 beside start up sound.
 What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
 is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
 Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
 awakening the mac, opening the lid?
 Thanks,
 Karen
 
 
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Re: A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

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A VoiceOver search i.e. VO with the F  key or using item chooser could let you 
jump directly to the output output source that you want without moving  through 
the other fields.

 

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> On Jun 7, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Herman Fermin  wrote:
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> Kelly, go to the extra's menu and access the volume. In there you will be 
> able to access your outputs without activating them. I'm not in front of my 
> Mac so can't give exact steps but this should get you going.
> 
> Herman
> 
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 8:16 AM 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> This is due to the mouse cursor following the VO cursor, which is the 
>> preferred configuration in my opinion.  To get around this, once you enter 
>> the table of output choices, press VO-shift-f3 to turn cursor tracking off.  
>> This does though create a complication when trying to select the output 
>> choice.  You either need to then route the mouse to the VO cursor with 
>> VO-FN-cmd-f5, or go one up or down from the one you wish to choose, turn 
>> cursor tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 then move up or down to the desired 
>> choice for the selection to take effect.
>> 
>> I hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 07:54, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, kelly.
>>> When in the list have you tried typing the first letter of the usb device 
>>> to force a direct jump to the item you want?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound 
 sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.  
 For example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order 
 in my list of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third 
 is a USB sound device I have connected.
  
 Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first 
 results in some sound going to the Apple TV.
  
 I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the 
 Sound item in System Preferences.
  
  
 
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Re: Is there a way to view browsing history in safari on an iPhone?

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So, there is not a tab list near the top of the screen with bokmarks reading 
list and history? I thhought that perhaps you were in private mode, but I can 
still bring up my history in private tabs. Would you like me to investigate 
further? Maybe there is a way to disable history in the setting!. 


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> First, thanks for your help with my last two questions. I’m traveling, and 
> decided just to bring my phone, and I’m quickly learning how much I miss my 
> Mac! Anyway, I briefly solved the Wordle problem but now I can’t get back to 
> the page where I had the accessibility extension running. Does anyone know if 
> it’s possible to view browsing history in safari on the iPhone, and if so how 
> do you do it?
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> Donna 
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Re: My husband can no longer send content via airdrop.

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Perhaps iCloud got turned off on me phone. If I had a Mac or iPad around I 
would log out and back in to Apple services. 

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> Hi all,
> 
> Ever since we were in Best Buy the other day when my husband updated his 
> watch, he has not been able to send content to me via airdrop. The guy in 
> Best Buy admitted that he knew nothing about iOS, but was pressing a lot of 
> buttons on my husband‘s phone, because we had difficulty turning off Find My 
> on the old watch he was trying to trade in. I’ve been trying to help my 
> husband restore his ability to send via airdrop. We’ve checked Bluetooth, 
> we’ve checked iCloud, we’ve checked in airdrop, and we cannot find any 
> setting that is impacting his ability to access AirDrop. Can anyone think of 
> what setting might be at play here?  I can send to him via airdrop and he 
> receives it without a problem. He just can’t send anything to me. We were 
> trying a few minutes ago. We were seated about 4 feet apart, and when he 
> tried to send a picture via airdrop, it just said no people found. Yes, 
> receiving was on on my phone, it was set to contacts only.
> Thanks,
> Donna 
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Re: VMWare Fusion On Mac OS Monterey

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Good probability that there was an error message on the screen that you need to 
look at. I had issues with the boot partition and windows failing giving some 
things like this.

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> Hi all,
> If this has come up before, apologies for the repeat. I’ve upgraded my early 
> 2015 MacBook Air to Monterey, and am now trying to get VMWare Fusion up and 
> running. I had one of the earliest instances of VMWare 11 previously, and 
> removed it first, then I installed the latest version, 12.2 I think it is. 
> I’ve got a free personal license, and used the Easy Install feature, but 
> whenever I try to start my Windows 10 Home X64 machine, it either hangs or I 
> can’t seem to get to the machine’s window. The Windows machine is configured 
> with all of VMWare’s defaults, except I increased memory to 4GB instead of 
> 2GB. If anyone is using VMWare under Monterey, do you have any ideas of 
> settings I might need to change? I guess it could be that early 2015 MacBook 
> Airs are a little too old as well.
> Thanks for any help or ideas,
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Re: Command L not working in Safari

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Only thing that comes to mind is if command-l has been assigned some other 
function by a safari extension or in system preferences keyboard. 

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> do Command L to bring up the address bar. I am not sure why. They are using 
> Monterey.
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Re: A question about showind audio description in a group setting?

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there is the option of spectrum access: The catalog is a bit limited but it 
works just like the technology in broadway shows but uses smartphones to add 
captions or audio description.

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> The latter could be done with a Mac. Simple have the output set to the 
> projector and VO set to the headset and you’re good. As for the Share play, 
> not with a single device. You will need to devices that can do Face-time. 
> Then one device needs to be the one playing the video. However, I have not 
> played with this so I do not know if the DVS will work on one device and not 
> the other so you will want to experiment ahead of time.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 22:38, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> hmm could a single device running share play work if one was channeling the 
>> film audio through a control surface of some kind or a sound mixer? say one  
>> channel for the track of the film with audio description, and one track with 
>> the main track?
>> Slightly different question, if there is no audio description, but subtitles 
>> is there a way for the subtitles to be spoken, again through a headset 
>> paired in, instead of the main sound for the rest of the room?
>> Thanks for helping me answer their questions.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
>>> It cannot be done as the audio description is part of the same track as the 
>>> movie. It might be possible with Share-Play, but that would. mean everyone 
>>> has to be on there own device.
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2022, at 20:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 making that subject clear is a challenge.
 Here is the situation, one of my co-workers is going to be showing  films 
 as apart of a series where only a few members need audio description.
 Think of well like going to the movies, without the special equipment 
 provided  by the company.
 How would you manage the process?
 Is there  software that helps filter, say if rented on YouTube, and you 
 desire spoken subtitles?
 If my question is confusing let me know,
 Karen
 
 
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Re: Where do All These Extra Volumes Come From?

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Webb, perhaps it is because you moved such a large distance change in OS. You 
might want to consider getting the free version of VMWare and putting Mojave on 
it assuming the 32 bit apps are not to dependent on performance. 12.2 does 
create two or more volumes one is the core OS in a read-only system and I have 
seen snapshot volumes appear.

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> I just installed Monterey on a separate APFS volume, so that I could 
> continue to use Mojave for a couple older apps.
> 
> I started with a clean volume. I ran the upgrade from System Preferences and 
> installed to that empty volume.
> 
> After all the setups and migrations, I find that instead of just having two 
> volumes (Mojave and Monterey) I have the following:
> 
> Mac Monterey OS
> Mojave OS
> Big Sur OS
> Monterey OS
> MAc Catalina OS
> Mac Monterey OS
> Catalina OS
> 
> Some of these Monterey volumes are versions 12.0 and 12.1, and one is 12.2.
> The Big Sur volume is 12.2
> The Catalina volume is 12.1
> 
> Only one of the Monterey volumes is correctly identified as the latest 
> version, and the Mojave is correct at 10.14.6.
> 
> All these extra volumes show up in Disk Utility, and also on the startup 
> disks list in System Preferences.
> 
> Can I just delete the extra volumes I don’t need  nor want?
> 
> Is this typical?
> 
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Re: Using VO without a Function Key

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This will depend on exactly what keyboard your client has. If the keyboard is a 
full sized apple keyboard with a six pack then the function key will actually 
be the position of where an insert key is on the windows keyboard. In other 
cases it could be that the function keys don’t have double functionality of 
media versus function keys and they can just work directly. In all cases if 
it’s an Apple keyboard, you can certainly switch the keyboard so that the 
default action of the function keys is to do the function keys that I needed by 
voice over. There were also various commanders that can be helpful for using 
voice over functions.


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> Hello,
> 
> I am a teacher for the visually impaired at my local blindness organization, 
> and one of my students does not have a function key on her keyboard. I’ve 
> been searching for a list of alternative commands, such as an alternative to 
> pressing VO + FN + left arrow for getting to the beginning of a table. Does 
> anyone here know of such a list, or know what command should be used if there 
> is no FN key present? Many thanks.
> 
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Re: Where are audible books located on my mac?

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If there is a plist file in that directors it is probable that a translation 
from the random string to the actual book info is in that file. But ,  more and 
more Apple makes it difficult to find the direct files associated with a 
specific document. Often there is not one file via but a container or a zip 
file with a specialized name like docx ,pptx. 

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> Hi,
> 
> And, after one looks in that folder location, you’ll note that the books are 
> not listed by any recognizable title etc.  They end up with some sort of 
> strategically random string as the file title.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 07:43, Barry Hadder  wrote:
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>> /Users//Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/Books/Audiobooks
>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 02:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Yes, Brad, I know that.  I meant once I open them with Books app, they are 
>>> placed somewhere within Books app.  In old itunes i could find a section 
>>> with all my audiobooks listed in the media folder but now they are not 
>>> there.
>>> 
>>> Andrew :) 
>>> 
 On 30 Jan 2022, at 17:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 You might want to check the Downloads folder.
 From the Desktop, press CMD + OPT + L.
 
 
 That's where they end up on my Mac after downloading from the Audible 
 website.
 
 HtH.- Brad -
 
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 Which folder are my audiobooks located in these days in mac os monterey?  
 I can’t find them anywhere.  I thought they might be under music/media but 
 there is only music there.  No books can be found.
 
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Re: Authentication Is Not Responding?

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This is not the way it should work. My computer is much older than yours, and 
so does not have a touchID power button. I suggest that you go into system 
settings and turn off and back on touchID and see if that helps solve your 
issue.  I have found that sometimes I am not having arrow keys perform right 
after sleep and I need to restart VoiceOver. 
r 

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> 
> Hi, Group.
> In Catleena days, when the computer went to sleep mode after remaining idle 
> for a while, pressing arrow-keys several times and touching the power-button 
> used to start VoiceOver and awake the computer to fully functional state.
> Since Montray, however, VoiceOver doesn’t come up and the computer does not 
> come out of sleeping mode by pressing arrow keys repeatedly and by touching 
> the power button. VoiceOver starts only when I enter my password. The 
> computer doesn’t work even when Voiceover is running. For instance, Safari or 
> TextEdit do not work at all and do not accept any keystrokes.
> When I try to restart the computer from the menu, Voiceover says:
> ‘Authentication Is Not Responding’ and I have to shut down the computer and 
> restart it. This is simply a big pain in the neck.
> Is this a normal and accepted behavior now?
> Is there any work around it?
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Re: VO-X Command?

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Try using the arrow keys. I believe it will tell you the location of the top 
left corner of the window you are moving. You can also use the window resize 
options 'which is the shifted accent key with 'the VO modifier  

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> 
> About VO-Accent, it says moving windows and I don’t know what it means. Can a 
> blind person use this command?
> Thanks!
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 2:31 PM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: VO-X Command?
>  
> What does VO-K say it does? 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:11, Fazil M.  wrote:
>  
> Thanks much, Jonathan!
> What does VO-Accent do?
> Thanks again.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 9:50 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>  
> Nothing, unless you have set up activities.
> Next Question: What are activities?
> They are a way to customize how VO behaves. You can either link them to an 
> app or a web page, or can activate them with the VO-X command.
>  
>  
> Jonathan
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2022, at 14:58, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> What does the command VO-X do (pressing once or twice)?
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Re: menu popup combo box

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Can you say where you are seeing this? I generally find "pop-up" used instead 
of combo-box when working on my Mac. Also on web site these are often 
specialized javascript implementations where the combo-box don’t always act 
consistently. 

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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 5:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> in Safari on a Mac, how do you deal with a menu popup combo box? I've been 
> trying to use vo-space and not having much luck. maybe my mouse pointer isn't 
> where vo is.
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> thanks.
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Re: i phone going totally silent after phone calls and headphones are removed

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I have experience situations when using my lightning connected headphones that 
voiceover can get very very slow. Usually rebooting then plugging in the 
headphones and unplugging headphones will reset this. Hopefully this is your 
issue and you’ll find a quick resolution.

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> Hi Kate,
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> Did you try powering off your phone and restarting it? Perhaps that might 
> clear everything out and your phone will hopefully come back to normal.
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Today I was on hold on a phone call using my i phone 8 plus.  After being on 
>> hold for over an hour the phone suddenly went silent and I haven’t been able 
>> to get it to make sounds or get vo to work!  I was using lightning connected 
>> headphones on the phone call so I could easily punch in numbers when 
>> necesssary.
>> 
>> Any fixes for this?  The phone is now connect to my mac and is 54 % charged 
>> and is charging, but still is totally silent.  The phone is not muted…
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caitlyn
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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Hello,
I had searched for the Ward magazine on the nytimes.com website. Which should 
be a link. Perhaps, fire fox will only search for a text using that and not for 
lakes?
It would be interesting to check a little further.
Jonathan

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> The VO-F (find) function works here under Mac OS 12.1 with Firefox 95. I 
> visited a Web page and searched for text that I knew would be there – and 
> found it without issue.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Jonathan Cohn 
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:41
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac
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> I'm going to try and consolidate a few answers here.
>  
> David originally asked about Safari and filling in passwords and form fields. 
> I believe this is not a Safari issue, but a web site putting do not autofill 
> on the password field, and then Safari paying attention to this. This of 
> course makes sense for older browsers where there were no protections for the 
> password keep within the browser. I use 1Password to manage all my passwords 
> rather than the default browser password storage solutions which are 
> different for each browser vendor. With one password, I type command-\ and it 
> will fill in my username/password / one time password automatically. 
> Generally, 1Password costs a few dollars a month, but if you search 
> carefully, you can find a non network based version for a one time cost. 
> 1Password is definitely more accessible than lastpass which is what my office 
> provides.
>  
> Somebody mentioned (was that David too?) that the VO find function was not 
> working for them in Firefox. I haven't tested that recently, since I have 
> been concentrating on Windows 11 accessibility for work recently and won't 
> get back to looking at VoiceOver and Firefox for a couple months. I don't 
> remember testing the search function but the item chooser did work in version 
> 91 which is the last time I checked.
> Eric, I'd be glad to advise you some, but just saying something works weird 
> gives me no way of knowing what issues you were seeing. I'd be glad to bring 
> up Firefox some and see if I can reproduce / work around your issues if I 
> knew what they were. 
> Lastly, since I mentioned my workplace, let me just say that I don't work for 
> a browser developer.
>  
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 01:09, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> Hmmm, that’s news to me. The last time I tried Firefox on OS X Catalina it 
> turned out be very frustrating. Are there any settings I should be aware of 
> to make it easier to use?
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> Thanks,
> 
> -Eric
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> On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 11/12/21 15:29, Eric Oyen wrote:
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> Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to 
> render some sites in a way the screen reader understands).
> Recent versions of Firefox are very accessible with VoiceOver. Mozilla 
> recently rewrote their Mac OS accessibility API support completely.
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Re: Verbosity

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Hello Dave,
I do believe this  changed  at some point. both my Mojave and Mottery systems 
do use VO- x to bring up activity chooser. I hope this message came through OK, 
I just discovered I still have my Iphone still using ebae BRlike . 

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> Jonathan,
> 
> I was not able to select activities on demand with VO+X. Instead I found that 
> Option+Control+x worked. Is this possibly OS-dependent?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> You need to go into the Activity area of VOiceOver utility. It will then ask 
> what sections of VOiceOver do you want to customize for the activity. You can 
> then change the verbosity settings and at the end or bottom there is a place 
> to select applications or specific web sites to apply the activity to. The 
> VO-X command let you choose activities on demand.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 07:28, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Can you adjust verbosity settings for a specific app? If so, how do you do 
>> this?
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Re: .ics invites and Google Calendar

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello, Ics files are plain text files, though I don't remember the date format 
they use for dates. The apple mail calandars do not actually automattically 
import ICS when they open dem but instead present a  dialog where you can 
review and choose a calindar to add them to or cancel i'mport. 
I expect the thmat has progressed some but these have been around for about 10 
years. 


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> When someone sends me a calendar invite via a .ics file, what's my
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> Frankly, what's the easiest way to see the date and time proposed for
> the meeting while in Mail?
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> Thanks for all suggestions.
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Re: Keyboard trap in Monterey and possibly Big Sur

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

sounds familiar, but I believe it goes away on its own. I didn't know you were 
a Mac user. 
Jonathan


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> Wondering if anyone else has seen this, and if anyone knows a way out.
> 
> I upgraded to Monterey from Big Sur today. After the final system restart, I 
> landed in the following, seemingly impossible situation:
> 
> Focus is in an Installer Progress thing for which VoiceOver says, "Installer 
> Progress has no windows."
> 
> VO-N says there are no notifications available, which surprises me because of 
> the next item and because I am getting the regular little pings that 
> typically mean I have a pending notification.
> 
> Typing VO-F1 twice brings up a two-item list. From this, I can see that I 
> have a System Dialogs item where VoiceOver is asking permission to use
> BlueTooth, and a Setup Assistant item called Analitics. However, activating 
> either of these does not move focus or allow the VO cursor to navigate. VO 
> cursoring continues to say "Installer Progress has
> no windows."
> 
> Command-Tab dings and does nothing, VO-F2 twice says there are no windows, 
> and trying to move focus to VO or VO to mouse both fail with messages.
> 
> Cursor tracking is enabled; I toggled that just to make sure.
> 
> This funny inability to get into popups started in Big Sur for me, which is 
> why my subject line says "and possibly Big Sur."
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> Ideas welcome.
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Re: Anyone else noticed that notification sounds stopped working after upgrading to IOS 15?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Well I am not the best on this as I can easyily ignore sounds from my phone,  
but it seems to me that the phone is not providing notification's  when I have 
my watch on. -test out my theory and let me know what you find out. 

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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I have no idea. I googled it, and it was suggested that you turn off all 
> focus options, A check in the control center to make sure that there wasn’t a 
> focus option running, and then as a last resort reboot your phone. I’ve done 
> all three, and nothing has helped. And I did figure out that it is not 
> happening on my watch, but it is happening on my phone and my iPad. It’s very 
> annoying.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:19 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
 On 30/9/21 18:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> So since my upgrade, I get no alert notification sounds.  This is happening 
>>> on both my iPhone and iPad.  I just updated my watch today, so don’t know 
>>> about it, yet.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?
>> 
>> Notification sounds are fine on my iPhone (running iOS 15), so this isn't 
>> happening to everyone. I don't know what the circumstances might be that 
>> give rise to the problem.
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>> I've already started using the new focus options, which are a valuable 
>> addition to the operating system.
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Re: Safari busy again on big sur 11.6

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

lFirefox 91 or newer works great on my 5 year old MBA. Have a great time trying 
it out! 

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> On Sep 27, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> And if you use an M1 Mac try Fire Fox. Not sure whether Fire Fox works on 
> Intell too but it works defnitly on M1 Macs.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
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>> Am 27.09.2021 um 17:20 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It seems to be an issue with the VoiceOver buffer filling up.  The Quickest 
>> way I’ve found to work around it is to turn VOiceOver off, wait a few 
>> seconds then turn it back on.  Things run smoothly after that for a while.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Oh yes I have this issue with Safari.
>>> Not sure what to do about that.
>>> Its a bit annoying though.
>>> /A
>>> 
 26 sep. 2021 kl. 18:11 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to the most recent 11.6 on my macbook pro late 2014, 
 Safari has become sluggish.  I’ve cleared the cashes, I keep my mac free 
 from junk.  Has anyone else experienced this, and is there anything else I 
 can do?  Or is it a matter of my mac being old?  It has 16 GB RAM, 512 
 hard drive and is the fastest I could buy at that time.
 
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Re: Selecting Messages in iOS Mail

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

That does not sound good. What if you want to delete all messages with 
attachments? Would that be possible?   

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> On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:58 AM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Jonathan, 
> My problem was I had Filtering toggled on which makes the Select all button 
> disapear.  Turning off Filtering solves this problem. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Doug 
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>> On Sep 23, 2021, at 6:55 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> In IOS 15 it is two swipes to the left after pressing the edit button.
>> 
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>>> On Sep 23, 2021, at 3:28 AM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi Joseph,
>>> I'm running 15 here and don't see a Select all option when the edit mode is 
>>> enabled. I've never done this before on iOs 14 so am not sure what to 
>>> expect here. I may give Apple a call regarding this later today.
>>> This is interesting to say the least.
>>> Best,
>>> Doug
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:25 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>>> I think there's a select all at the very bottom. If you're running 14. I 
>>>> have not updated to 15 yet.
>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:22 PM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Is there an easy way to select a bunch of messages in iOS Mail on the 
>>>>> iPhone to perform actions such as mark read, Move, Delete, etc? I see an 
>>>>> Edit option, but when I clic'k this I am able to select one message at a 
>>>>> time. I can't figure out a way to select multiple messages.
>>>>> Does anyone know of an easy way to do this?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Doug
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Re: Selecting Messages in iOS Mail

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In IOS 15 it is two swipes to the left after pressing the edit button.

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> Hi Joseph, 
> I'm running 15 here and don't see a Select all option when the edit mode is 
> enabled. I've never done this before on iOs 14 so am not sure what to expect 
> here. I may give Apple a call regarding this later today. 
> 
> This is interesting to say the least. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Doug
> 
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>> I think there's a select all at the very bottom. If you're running 14. I 
>> have not updated to 15 yet.
>> 
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:22 PM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Is there an easy way to select a bunch of messages in iOS Mail on the 
>>> iPhone to perform actions such as mark read, Move, Delete, etc? I see an 
>>> Edit option, but when I clic'k this I am able to select one message at a 
>>> time. I can't figure out a way to select multiple messages. 
>>> Does anyone know of an easy way to do this? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug 
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Re: Adding A Language & Typing In It?

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Should be able to go into keyboard system settings  and twitch to input. There 
you should be able to add keyboard layouts .. 

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> Hi, Group.
> My iPhone switches language automatically, when it goes to an Arabic website 
> or a Hindi webpage. I have added Arabic and Hindi keyboard for typing in 
> those languages too.
> My question is whether there is a setting for MacbookPro2017 with Bigsur 
> where it could switch language automatically and I can type in that language? 
> I am mainly interested in adding Arabic and typing in it.
> Any help/recommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It just works. Sometimes I push an arrow key to get it to take focus but just 
putting your voiceover cursor into the VM will cause it to be taking control. 
Then when you’re ready to stop using the VM you need to push control and option.

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> On Jul 17, 2021, at 5:58 PM, The wolf  wrote:
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> Hello
> 
> I tried doing that and it isn't working
> 
> is ther4e anything else you can suggest fore both issues?
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
>> On 7/17/2021 2:25 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sorry, if you tried switching to fullscreen mode while the vm window.  HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/17/2021 5:15 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> think you missed typed in your last email
>>> 
>>> Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I am using 
>>> fussion 12 with no problems.
>>> can you resend?
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
 Matthew
 
 
 
 Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens. I am using 
 fussion 12 with no problems.
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 
 On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:
> Hello
> 
> cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12
> 
> and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp using the 
> assistant
> 
> am confused
> 
> I am using the latest osx if that helps any
> 
> thanks
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The bootcamp 
>> partition can be set was using the sider. Interactive withthe slider and 
>> VO left and right til you have it set the way you want then click next.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple of days 
>>> ago and have not heard back
>>> 
>>> in vmware fusion 12
>>> 
>>> once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of the virtual 
>>> machine to start using it what is the keyboard command fore that?
>>> 
>>> on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the partition how do 
>>> you do that?
>>> 
>>> I can not find the part to change the amount that you set aside fore 
>>> the bootcamp partition and I need to change it
>>> 
>>> can I please get some help on these questions
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: iCloud Alias

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you might be able to hack something with mail rules possibly with advanced imap 
 features but esensually when you use aliases it is all one account. The best 
thing to do would be to create a second iCloud account and use that with some 
of your aliases.

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> I may have asked this on a list before, if so I can’t remember the answer.
> I have a couple of iCloud aliases that my wife & I use separately. I don’t 
> want all of these downloading on My Mac or iPhone.
> How can I have only one Alias download?
> Thanks for any advice.
> Max.
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Re: Cron job

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

most mentions of   this package indicate its use as the base  of wordppess 
running on a Mac. Cron used to  be used to  regularly run a process at the same 
time on an hourly, daily or weekly process. If you are indeed installing 
Wordpress, you wouldn't want to use cron even if it was still stupporting  
supported on modern  Unix systems. Also at reast one installation guide I saw 
for a unifiied  apache, php, and mysql package recomended very lax security 
sugestions. This is fine as long as 'your system is well protected from general 
internet traffic. 
If you are creating a local web service  I would be interested in your 
successes and challanges. 

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> Hi All!
> Could you tell me how to create a cron job on Mac to run a PHP script using 
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

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I’m wondering, what voice are you using for voiceover? Were using one that had 
to be downloaded?

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> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the operating 
> system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive to 
> reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, having 
> used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so angry.
> 
> Thanks for your swift response.
> 
> Andrew 
>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>> 
>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>> 
>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>> 
>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>> anything similar happen to me.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed to 
>>> migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I can’t 
>>> hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted person 
>>> trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate now.  
>>> Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I just 
>>> clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting voiceover on 
>>> silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating this business 
>>> now.  Surely these things should work?
>>> 
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Re: touch typing

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Character preview is for sighted people, it will show lowercase characters when 
you and lowercase and uppercase and uppercase. At least that’s my memory of 
what it is from reading other posts.

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> great! very helpful! can you tell me what character preview is?
> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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>> Lorie,
>> 
>> This drove me nuts for quite a while, too. You’ll want to go to Settings > 
>> General > Keyboard > all keyboards. The first thing to do is turn Predictive 
>> off. That will stop the suggestions from coming up. And then, if you also 
>> turn slide to type off, that should make your life a whole lot easier, too.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
 On May 29, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> Maybe there isn't. I was just hoping. it's not a problem unless the app I'm 
>>> using won't let me use braille screen input which sometimes happens.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 29, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Jessica Moss  
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>>> I’ve noticed this as well, and that it’s just become increasingly 
>>> sensitive, but didn’t think there was much that could be done about it.
>>> 
 On May 29, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 as the ios versions have gone up I have had increasing problems with touch 
 typing on my phone. sometimes if I'm moving my finger around trying to 
 find the correct letter or number I'll start getting suggestions and 
 before I know it it's putting words in there for me and I haven't even 
 lifted my finger off the screen. I've tried a lighter touch and that helps 
 some but it's still a pretty pervasive problem for me. any suggestions?
 
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Re: Got notification RE passwords part of data leak. Then lost notification before memorizing accounts in question. What to do?

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I understand that google and apple get their info from have I been ponned

See wiki pedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_I_Been_Pwned%3F 
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> Hi Kevin,
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> There are two different notifications that you can see. One just says 
> passwords used on multiple sites. the other actually says that that password 
> has been part of a data leak and should be changed immediately.  Though I 
> don't fully understand how Apple determines this, if I have a password in the 
> latter group, I make sure to change it.  Also, I find this a little easier to 
> sort out on the iPhone than on the Mac, because the two groups are separated 
> out.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
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>> Disregard my last message. I now understand that passwords which appear on 
>> multiple sites have an additional column to the right with an indication 
>> concerning this.
>> 
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>> 
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>>> In your iPhone, go to Settings and then Passwords, and you will find out 
>>> which ones are compromised. You can also do this in Safari on the Mac in 
>>> the preferences.
>>> 
>>> 
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 Guys,
 
 While I was dealing with something else, I got a notification on my iPhone 
 that seven account passwords were part of a data leak and might pose 
 accounts to compromise.  I clicked on the note but then lost it before 
 memorizing which accounts were involved.  I gather that dismissed or read 
 notifications are gone.  Is there any way to find out which accounts need 
 passwords changed?  I could only remember one by the time I got back to 
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Re: Message list in Apple Mail on Bigsur

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Are you using quicknav orVO arrow keys? If so,thentry using arrow keys with no 
modification.
Standard table actions with VO arrow keys is to go to the next column first row 
when you get to the end of a specific column.
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weird message I keep getting on iPhone

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Since upgradings my phone to IOS 14.5, I keep getting this messag read while in 
webviews. Anyeabody else get this too?



2 days ago, 3 days ago, 3 days ago, 5 days ago, 5 days ago, 2 days ago, 5 days 
ago, 6 days ago, 6 days ago, 6 days ago, 5 days ago

I’m not sure it’s always exactly the same message, but it’s always a list of 
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Re: Request for information about Relocated Items

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Sent from my iPhone

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> Hello List,
> Could you please let me know about what is the newly created folder called as 
> Relocated Items? I assume it has been created after I updated to the latest 
> Mac OS.
> Thank you very much for any guidance.
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Re: Anyone have a password set for their watch?

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Donna,
The other thing is, that your iPhone can unlock your watch. When the watch is 
prompting for a password, just unlock your phone next to your watch and your 
watch shit on lock too.

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> OK, thanks. I guess I can give it a try, and if it's too annoying, just turn 
> it off.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> The passcode is for simply unlocking the watch after you take it off and put 
>> it back on. You might also use it when installing updates.
>> 
>> 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if anyone uses a password for their watch, and if so, how 
>>> does it work? Do you have to enter the password every time you want to see 
>>> what time it is? I want to use the new feature in IOS 14.5 that allows you 
>>> to unlock your phone from your watch, but it requires a pass code on the 
>>> watch.
>>> Cheers,
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Re: a question regarding one password?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I have been using 1password for about 10 years,  it is quite good and the 
developer
is responds to accessibilty questions. With Big Sur it integrates into the 
Safari browser more compleathly than with older systems. When you are in a 
password or user name field pressing downarrow provides a suggestN list. 
Hardest part is
getting new passwords generated and saved corectly I think this might be  
easier for blind folks. My wife kept adding new entries instead of updating old 
ones when changing passwords but I alwayss found a update existing tab next to 
the create new tab 
Note however that the Applh password manager is much better now also. If you 
only use Applh products there is no real nef to spend money on 1password.  
,password shines in that they have Android Windows Ch'romeos versions. 

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> On Apr 13, 2021, at 7:38 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
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> 
> Hello, is the one password servers usable when one uses voiceover? I read a 
> email from CNN this morning that is a daily suggestion of things to help 
> improve one's life. Granted it is advertising, but several other news outlets 
> and/or disability related outlets have mentioned the service recently. John 
> just wondering is this even remotely usable by someone using OS X? Any 
> thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> Please note that the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of 
> Windows transcription software. The only reason why this is being written in 
> Windows this because the company that makes the software no longer makes a 
> Mac version. If there's something that you can't make sense of written above, 
> please reach out to me and asked me what my original intent was? I really do 
> look forward to helping clear of any misunderstandings that might arise from 
> the text above.
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> 
> 
> Any comments, positions or other statements written above, really are me the 
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> or the national Federation of the blind deaf blind division. Thank you very 
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Re: Strange volume on desktop after installing Big Sur

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello robert, 
yes, in Big Sur the boot partition is a read-only signed image that is merged 
with the data area. I believe the startup marker is indicating that you can 
boot from it, not that you have booted from it. if you erase this partition ( 
well, it is not really a partition) than you will lose Big Sur and probably 
your recovery partition.  
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> Dear list,
> I hope some of you can help with this issue.
> I installed Big Sur on a second APFS Volume on Catalina.
> The install went well, but while in Catalina, there is a volume on the 
> desktop called Update.
> If I boot into Big Sur there is Macintosh HD, and Big Sur volumes as it 
> should be. I can even open the Mac HD to browse my Catalina files.
> But if booted into Catalina, there is no Big Sur volume on the desktop, Just 
> Mac HD and Update volumes.
> I have searched but did not find a solution for this problem.
> In disk Utility the volume is called
> com.apple.os.update-35C699ADD439C653A3B09EBD8A30FBD366881244EB7C82207A2E135362FCCB7F
> I am scared to touch it because its labeled as 
> Disk icon, badged as startup volume.
> Big Sur APFS System Snapshot • APFS
> I don’t know why its labeled as startup disk, when Catalina is my startup 
> disk, even though it does not  say so in disk utility.
> Thanks,
> Rob
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Re: should I upgrade from Mac OS catalina to big sur?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

there is a major new limitation with Bigsur. All non apple kernal extensions 
are blocked. So for example if there is dedicated dacs that require kernal code 
to work than a new driver from the manufaturer would be required. The other 
major change is that the entire core of the OS is in a read only signed 
partition. So updates to /usr/bin are now essentially impossible.


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> On Mar 26, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> Hi Cameron,
> I strongly suggest given how important your production tools are to your work 
>  that you check with  software supporters.
> For example if  any of those tools even slightly still need 32 bit access, it 
> will not be there.
> I have radio  production associates who have not made the jump for that 
> reason  alone, and they are not even using voiceover.
> The  question for you, speaking personally, is if you will gain more than you 
> have  working now by adding an entirely new system?
> If the answer is no, then I would  wait.
> If there are major benefits that you cannot manage now, keeping in mind that 
> rolling back to a prior edition may be challenging,  then follow the ideas of 
> others here.
> Make sense?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, Cameron Strife wrote:
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>> Hi everybody. As far as general computer use and audio production, are
>> there any issues with big sur? I'm wondering if I should upgrade or
>> just hang tight with catalina for now.
>> 
>> I have the latest versions of Logic pro, ProTools, Waves diamond v12,
>> NI komplete ultimate 12, and Omnisphere 2. Other than those, I use
>> iwork, Switch audio file converter, and a few other things.
>> 
>> I guess I'm looking for a pros and cons list?
>> 
>> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Cameron.
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Re: mac os big sur: locking the voice over speech parameters

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello,
Since you are a programmer I will be brief. The keyboard shortcuts in System 
Settings should override voiceover bindings. If this is the case, you could 
create a "service" ainautomator and assign a keybinding to it. 
My second idea is simpler but not the solution you asked for. SAVE your 
Voiceover settings and then if they change unexpecdidly you can open the saved 
settings file and proceed. I expect you could even create a script that  saves 
VO settings oat a regular interval.  
   

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