Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Rich Ring]

I couldn’t agree more! Apple has set amazing standards, but they are not 
blazing new trails any longer.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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Re: interesting observation with safari 9

[Rich Ring]

I can definitely confirm this, in fact, the first time it happened to me, it 
really blew my mind!
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly, it does on some sites still, but not others, going to wait a 
> little while before upgrading to el capitan I think.
> Original message:
>> That seems to be a bug when running Safari 9 under Yosemite. I’m running El 
>> Capitan with Safari 9, and VO announces clickable for me.
> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> Hey everyone, still using version 10.10 of the operating system, but I did 
>>> install the safari 9 update, and noticed something interesting. Not sure if 
>>> this is a bug or by design, but, in many cases, the "clickable" attribute 
>>> is no longer announced. These are elements that function as links or 
>>> buttons, but are instead created using java script. Personally I wish web 
>>> developers would just use the standard link and button elements instead of 
>>> trying to be fancy, but I guess we're stuck with it. So, if you are using 
>>> safari 9, you may have to pay a bit more attention in order to guess if 
>>> something can be clicked or not.
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Re: question regarding Night Owl

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Press Command L.
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of 
> the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I 
> cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
> Thank you,
> laura 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

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Man, Mary, I couldn’t agree with you more! Their speakers are a weak link!
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
> would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
> decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on 
> my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone 
> is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any 
> of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
> improvement.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
>> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
>> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
>> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
>> have?  Not much I can think of.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Rich Ring]

I am aware of who the individual who seems to like to get peoples feelings 
stirred up is, and since I know where my delete key is, I have no problem with 
this individual. This individual comes and goes, and unless excluded, he’ll be 
back! However, my delete key is a constant, not a variable, although, I read 
some of his messages because I kind of enjoy the absurd! This is, overall, an 
extremely helpful list, and the majority of its contributors are not only 
helpful, but respectful. All of us do not share the same level of knowledge, 
but one thing we all have in common, all of us were once beginners! 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> well, if this party has threatened or used hate speech, you report  them to 
> the  authorities.  One does not well build a new house instead.
> ..not that you were asking me of course smiles.
> Why not report their conduct to the Internet provider?
> 
> 
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home analogy, or let’s 
>> say the social club analogy. A majority is agreeing that this guy is 
>> detrimental. It’s been months like this and in recent dates taking a 
>> culminating effect of driving the discussion towards what to do with him, on 
>> and off list. Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches 
>> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something does need to 
>> be done?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on to someone 
>>> else instead of deal with it themselves.
>>> 
>>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then don’t.  Nobody 
>>> forces you to read anything.
>>> 
>>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV because 
>>> someone said something they don’t like or it offends some arbitrary 
>>> religious value or another.
>>> Oh I don’t like what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view 
>>> is the right view so all others be damned.
>>> 
>>> wow
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to 
 have new moderators on this list, rather than fragmenting the community. I 
 know that is not a new idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I 
 also don't agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send 
 email to a list of several hundred people, you are coming into their 
 homes. And you did not have a right to abuse that privilege. Nor should 
 several hundred people be expected to write filtersbecause of one or two 
 outliers who make itunpleasant  for everybody. If a list is said to be 
 moderated, people who signed up for that list have a right to expect that 
 the rules will be followed and that those who do not follow them 
 consistently will be taken off the list. If you like unmoderated lists, 
 start one, or, if you want to check one out, go check out the eyes 
 freelist. The last time I was on there, which was admittedly many months 
 ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and you're out or 
 heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes clear overtime that a few 
 people simply cannot follow simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to 
 take action, or a new moderator needs to be found. So, I guess I'm joining 
 my voice with the chorus of those who say that in the best of all worlds, 
 this list would remain but would have an active moderator who did his or 
 her job.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler  > wrote:
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> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello Scott,
> There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those
> who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should
> someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty
> frequently), the problem gets solved with a moderation. Should it
> continue, said individual is removed from the community.
> 
> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just that
> it's possible with an active list owner to create a community
> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide help,
> etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I myself
> am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to mostly
> elimenate all the side bickering?
> On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I’m not sure moderation = good community.  That’s like saying
>> policing = a good community and I’d dare say the folks of Ferguson
>> or South Carolina would disagree with that assertion.;)
>> 
>> You bring up a good point

Re: They did it! They did it!

[Rich Ring]

This is great news! It’s not that pages isn’t a fine app, but work places for 
whatever reason generally use Microsoft products and, if this progress is 
meaningful, and thus far, it appears to be, it could lead to more Macs in the 
work place. My four sighted friends who are Mac users all use Microsoft office 
for the Mac, I’m just happy to see the needs of blind users are at last being 
considered.
One question for  you all, how does one access the ribbon? I am not seeing a 
ribbon, and I have used the toggle ribbon command with no results. I see no 
ribbon on the screen.
Thanks.
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys, holy sweet Jesus this is awesome!  I can confirm beyond a doubt that 
> the original poster who said that Office and Word now works in the document 
> preview is *not!* a liar!  I never thought he was, but I was indeed slightly 
> sceptical.  I'm very!  very! happy to say this time, it isn't a hoax!  I just 
> tried it over here after running the software udpater, and let me tell you 
> all what!  Oh! my? god!  I was able to navigate both the menu bar, and the 
> ribbon both perfectly, and also was able to read and edit a word document as 
> well.  I even! managed to add some formatting, and do a vo+T to read font and 
> formatting style.  Even? that! worked flawlessly!  Guys? if you haven't 
> already done so?  As much as we all bitched at Microsoft to get this working, 
> they've? done it!  We so! so! need to call their accessibility helpdesk, I 
> don't care if you're a Microsoft hater or not.  I can't say I'm the most fond 
> of them myself, however, this is exceptional!  I know we had to beat 'em over 
> the head, but that's not the point.  The point is, they finally did it, and 
> for that reason alone, we need to let them know how much we appreciate it, so 
> that they don't lag on things going forward.  This could be a wonderful! 
> wonderful! step moving forward.  I really mean it guys!
>  
> Let's all call them, and thank them profusely! for there efforts.  I wouldn't 
> let them off the hook about them not listenning in the past, but don't rub 
> that in their face.  Let's move forward.  It sounds to me like maybe? they're 
> finally getting the hint.  This gby far is the best update I ever! have yet 
> seen them do.  The guy I spoke with today at the accessibility desk was 
> tickled to death to hear such great news, and said he'd pass on the good news 
> to the devs.  I told him, what ever! they do, do? not! touch that document 
> preview window in Word.  They have it working flawlessly now.  Don't! break 
> it!  He told me he promised me he would put that plee request in the note to 
> them.
>  
> If you all call them, I'd be very very curious what they say to you, if you 
> don't mind sharing.
>  
> Anyway, they are opened at this department 24/7, and out of all the times 
> that I have called them, never even once! have I gotten a foreigner who 
> couldn't hobble english.
>  
> Suffice it to say, I'm jumping for joy!  Pages is great, don't get me wrong, 
> please please don't, but the fact that now Office is becoming accessible too? 
>  You can't begin! to know the doors this can, and probably will! open.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Two questions

[Rich Ring]

That was the problem!

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> On Oct 24, 2014, at 12:34 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I am seeing the downloads window fine. It may be hat you need to have your 
> toolbar visible?
> 
> David Griffith
>> On 23 Oct 2014, at 23:16, Rich Ring > <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have two unrelated questions. First, since installing Yosemite, I can no 
>> longer see my downloads window while using Safari to download files. 
>> Previously, I was able to do this by pressing command option l. Is this 
>> function no longer available, or, is there a new command?
>> My second question has to do with Mail. Prior to Yosemite, I could move the 
>> cursor to a link contained within a mail message and press VO space to 
>> activate it.
>> When I attempt to do this using mail in Yosemite, when I press VO space on a 
>> link, the message text starts reading. If anyone has any ideas concerning 
>> these small questions, they would be greatly appreciated.
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Two questions

[Rich Ring]

I have two unrelated questions. First, since installing Yosemite, I can no 
longer see my downloads window while using Safari to download files. 
Previously, I was able to do this by pressing command option l. Is this 
function no longer available, or, is there a new command?
My second question has to do with Mail. Prior to Yosemite, I could move the 
cursor to a link contained within a mail message and press VO space to activate 
it.
When I attempt to do this using mail in Yosemite, when I press VO space on a 
link, the message text starts reading. If anyone has any ideas concerning these 
small questions, they would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: yosemite and spotlight search

[Rich Ring]

I don’t believe that anyone should be slammed because something isn’t working 
for them, however, I just did 3 spotlight searches, and each time what I looked 
for was located. I don’t know why this is not working for other people, I can 
only document my personal experiences. I am not noticing any major VoiceOver 
lag either. Now, I will say that I preferred the previous version of iTunes, 
however, it appears to be accessible, just different!

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> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
> I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one having this issue. Jim, do you also 
> here something to the effect of either button or image? When I have attempted 
> to use spotlight in its current iteration, I get everything but what I'm 
> looking for. I have been raked over the coals on this list for complaining to 
> Apple for fear there are those who will lose their accessibility. At this 
> particular juncture in my opinion they lost an integral part of what the OS 
> was supposed to mean. I have enough vision to be able to see the screen, yet 
> it does no good to use my key commands to get where I need to go. Apple is 
> more concerned about aesthetics then they are functionality with reference to 
> how their current OS works. If we don't ask questions, stand up for  what we 
> need we will ultimately lose what we have. Those who are  currently taking me 
> to task now will be truly whining.. The difference is, you know me, they 
> don't.
> Pam Francis .
> 
> On Oct 20, 2014 10:05 AM, "'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries" 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> I have a quick question about the way that Spotlight is supposed to work in 
> Yosemite.
>  
> As far as I have been able to read, you should be able to get web results 
> from Bing, using Spotlight.
>  
> So, pressing Command Spacebar, which brings up the edit box, and then typing 
> in a search term, using the down arrow key produces absolutely no results.
>  
> Results are indeed displayed for documents and email, but I am hoping that 
> there might be an easy way to get Bing results  displayed in Spotlight, if 
> this is supposed to be the way that it works.
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

[Rich Ring]

But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter you 
can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
> ecosystem.
> 
> 
> Sent from my laptop
> 
> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>> 
>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>> 
>>> Not even speks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

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If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
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Re: Focus 40 Blue and Maverix

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I can use my Focus 40 blue via bluetooth within Mavericks, without any problems.

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Our state wishes to purchase a Focus 40 Blue with a new Mac computer.  I have 
> paired the Focus with Mountain Lion.  I am wondering if anyone has 
> successfully paired and connected/used the Focus 40 Blue from within Maverix? 
>  Thanksfor the info.
> 
> Les
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Reset Password

[Rich Ring]

Hello:
I would like to use the reset password function that is available in terminal 
when using the recovery partition.
I first restart my Mac book while holding down command r. After giving the 
system some time, I start Voice Over with command f5, and hear the lovely Fred 
voice. I go to the menu bar with VO m. From the menu, I choose terminal.
Then I type resetpassword.
VoiceOver tells me that reset password is launched in the background. However, 
I cannot bring focus to this app.
I've tried command tab, command accent, and the window chooser. Anyone have an 
idea what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks!


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Re: Renaming and some other questions

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You probably have figured this out by now, but the move command works like 
this. Highlight the file or folder you need to move, then go to the place you 
want to move it to and press command option v.

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On Apr 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Jessica  wrote:

> I cannot make the voiceover "move" command work. Can somebody please remind 
> me what it is. How do I use it and when?
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>> don't know sir Alex how can I thank you.
>> your explanation is excellent. thanks so much.
>> is  there a way to know the time while working in pro tools?
>> 
>> On 4/17/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> It depends on the view you are using. I recommend you read my Finder guide,
>>> which explains all about selecting multiple items:
>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-os-x/getting-started-os-x-finder
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 sir Alex:
 thanks for your response.
 concerning windows, I was using 2 windows in finder, I didn't try to
 use command n, I will try that.
 concerning the escape key, in all menus, even the vo+m to go to the
 apple menu, escape can not close the window.
 
 what do you mean by interacting with my list of files? I hit cmd}\}2
 and after I go to any folder, I find the table, I interact with it, is
 it what you mean?
 
 
 On 4/16/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In addition to Alex's responses:
> 
> 3.  If these windows are in different applications, then cmd-` will not
> work.  The cmd-` only works within windows of the same application.  You
> can
> use cmd-tab to cycle between applications.
> 
> 4.  I've never seen this either.  What kind of menu were you in?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> To rename, press enter. To select, interact with your list of files and
>> press vo-cmd-enter on each one to select it (note that you must press
>> this
>> twice on the first item you select). If you are not using Mavericks or
>> above, use vo-cmd-space instead of vo-cmd-enter.
>> 
>> Escape closes menus, and I've never heard of it not doing so. Are you
>> possibly not focused where you think you are?
>> As to windows, are you sure you opened multiple windows? you may have
>> Finder set to not open folders in new windows, or you did not use cmd-n
>> when you opened your second folder.
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:26 PM, ramy moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> With more and more using of my mac, I can discover somethings very
>>> interesting for me.
>>> But I got some questions if I can ask:
>>> 1-I need to rename a folder, I hit the vo+shift +m but can not find
>>> the
>>> rename.
>>> 2-If I have a folder with many songs, I need to select only some
>>> songs,
>>> how can I select some? I tried shift space, ctrl shift space, but no
>>> luck.
>>> 3-I know that command accent can cycle between open Windows, I have 2
>>> open windows that I need to copy and past files from and to. Using
>>> command accent do nothing. Why?
>>> 4-When I'm in a menu, using the scape key didn't close this menu. I
>>> must
>>> hit option scape, and I discovered this by chance. So what is the
>>> right
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your help
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Rich Ring]

Just to show you how stable the Mack is, the last time I restarted my Mack was 
two weeks ago, I do find that I have to unload VoiceOver sometimes, but not 
often!


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On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>  
> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main reason 
> is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC environment.  My 
> first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
>  
> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8.  Both are not all that stable.  I have 
> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
> increase in instability with the last few releases.  JAWS crashes frequently 
> and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when errors occur with 
> other applications.  Then, there's Windows 8.  I don't mind the Windows 8 
> interface but several times per week, I will have a problem that requires me 
> to restart my computer.  I did not have that nearly as much with Windows 7.  
> Also, it isn't unusual for me to install a program which will, either 
> directly or through add ins, make Windows and/or JAWS more unstable.  I then 
> have to decide rather the additional functionality is worth the increased 
> instability.  I'm just tired of all the crashes and reboots and having to use 
> three or four screen readers because I have to run one when another one 
> crashes.
>  
> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
> stable.  VoiceOver seldom just stops working.  Of course, every single app is 
> not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with an 
> app are almost always confined only to that app.  When an app crashes, it 
> usually does not also cause VoiceOver or the device to crash.  Is this also 
> true of the Mac?
>  
> I have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is perfect.  
> However, I would like something that is better than the PC, when it comes to 
> stability.  Over all, in your experience, is the Mac more stable?
>  
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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Re: Victor Stream software for Mac?

[Rich Ring]

And, APH is working on software for the Bookport Plus that will run on the 
Mac.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Victor Stream software for Mac?


The victor itself doesn't show up on my mac, I'm thinking this is a problem 
with the stream though because my book sense, plextalk pocket and book port 
plus show up just fine. Fortunately, there is an easy work around for the 
stream, just put the card in to a card reader.
On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:58 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> I could never get that to work on 2 separate macs running 10 6 6. Has 
> anyone found any workarounds that would make it work? What I'm seeing here 
> is that it's hit or miss. Some folks got it to work, while others did not. 
> Maybe this is a chipset thing? Thoughts?
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RE: Using new Mac Mini without a display connectedn

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If you do not have a display connected, one thing you will notice is that
Safari becomes almost unuseable.  Another symptom is that you won't be able
to play DVDS. 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:33 AM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Using new Mac Mini without a display connectedn

I ended up connecting my monitor anyway.  Once I get more confident with VO,
I'l disconnect my monitor completely and let you know what happened.

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RE: mac mini should I?

[Rich Ring]

One thing to know about the Mini, if you want complete web access and the
ability to play DVDs, you will need a monitor along with the Mini. 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Paton
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: mac mini should I?

Good evening all.

I'm new to the list, so please bear with my ignorance.

I'm thinking about buying a Mac Mini and of course accessing it through VO.

Is there anything I should be aware of before doing this, based on the
overall experience of list members?
It appears to be the least expensive route into apple products to me, but I
could be wrong.

I'm based in the uk if that makes a jot of difference.

Thanks.

Joe

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RE: OS 10.65 is available for download

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The download didn't take all that long, but my Macbook told me it needed to
restart and then sat there for nearly 15 minutes before finally restarting.
I have also noticed that in Safari WiFi seems to be broken. 

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Subject: Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable
Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole
install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen
yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more
responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
> 
> 
> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969 . MSN:  
> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com . My home page:
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RE: Mac Mini and lack of display

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Unfortunately, with the new Mac Minis, you have to have a display in order
to get rid of the sluggish behavior in Safari. You will read archived
messages that might say different, but it's not true.  If you want to have
Safari perform as it should, you'll need a display. 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt McCubbin
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:02 PM
To: MacVisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mac Mini and lack of display

Hello all,
I have a mid-2010 Mac Mini, and recently upgraded it to 8GB of ram. 
However, I had a few questions about using it without a display.
First, I've heard from several users that using the mini without a display
causes sluggish performance. I've only noticed sluggish behavior in Safari
and Garage band so far, will adding a display really make a difference?
Second, is there a way to trick the mini in to thinking a display is
connected? According to the archives, this seemed to be possible last year
with a display adapter, but I haven't been able to determine if this method
still works with the latest revision of the mini.
Thank you for any help with this issue.
Best regards,
Matt

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Re: routers

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Can you use an Airport with both Mac and Windows machines? I  have both Macs 
and Windows machines here, and it would be useless if it only supported 
Macs.
- Original Message - 
From: "Darcy Burnard" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: routers


Hi Alison.  Yes the airport utility is used with the airport series of 
routers.  You use it to make changes on those routers instead of using a web 
interface.
Darcy

On 2010-09-07, at 11:06 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> What is the Airport utility? Is that just a router for the Mac? I'm 
> unclear, so I appologize for this. I have a Netgear router and it's not 
> bad. You have to use the web interface to access the settings. I'm curious 
> about the Airport series of routers. Thank you for any assistance you can 
> provide.
>
> Allison
>
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
>> I think the new linksys routers require a captcha though to access there 
>> firmware, so I hear from someone who is versed in these things.
>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Christy Schulte wrote:
>>
>>> If you're not using a 2wire modem from verizon already, I definitely 
>>> suggest going the linksys route. Netgear is horrid, at least when I 
>>> tried it.
>>>
>>> That said I've been using this 2wire for a while and it's been a long 
>>> time since I fiddled with a linksys router. But when I did, it was 
>>> completely accessible all the way, at least under windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mike Arrigo" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:53 PM
>>> Subject: routers
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all, well, I might be looking at getting a new router, mine has 
>>> started having some strange problems, so it may be going bad, was 
>>> wondering which routers are the most accessible with their web 
>>> interfaces. I know the linksys routers work well, what about net geer, 
>>> belkin or d-link? I've heard some routers use a capcha now to get in to 
>>> their configurations, that is nuts.
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Re: no more custom ring tone creation in ITunes 10

[Rich Ring]

This is because, Apple wants you to buy all of your ring tones.
- Original Message - 
From: "Colin M" 
To: 
Cc: "Colin M" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: no more custom ring tone creation in ITunes 10


Hi all!
Yes its gone but you can still by from your I phone, I don't know if you can 
still customise them though!
Maybe Itunes may bring it back!
The future will reveal all!!
Colin
On 7 Sep 2010, at 18:30, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I believe you can. You just have to set the extension to m4a or aac in the 
> export  settings.
> On Sep 7, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Pete Nalda wrote:
>
>> Hmm.. Wonder if you can still create custom ringtones from songs you've 
>> ripped off a cd?  In other words, songs you already own.
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>
>>> According to a story on today's macrumors, Apple has taken out the 
>>> ability to create custom ring tones from songs you purchase via ITunes. 
>>> If this capability is something you value, you may wish to hold off on 
>>> that upgrade.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> Mary Otten
>>> motte...@gmail.com
>>>
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>>
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
>> Pete Nalda
>> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda
>> http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>
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iTune questions, sort of

[Rich Ring]

Hello:
I am download the PBS series on the Civil war on my Mac Book.  My question 
is, when I sink my iPhone, is there a way to put only one of the 9 episodes 
on my phone?  And, now for my second question.  I'm curious as to whether or 
not anyone has heard of software that can extract the audio from iTunes 
video file, and if so, how much might it cost, and is it accessible with 
VoiceOver.  I know, an odd question, since no sighted person would probably 
ever have a reason to do this. Thanks in advance for any assistance you 
might render. 

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Re: MS Word's lack of access with VO

[Rich Ring]

Many of us have to use Windows and Windows screen readers at work. It is not 
as if one can march into the bosses office and say, "We need to switch to 
the Mac, because Apple's philosophy concerning universal access is the way 
to go!" No, unfortunately, this is not the way things work. I do not find 
Word to be difficult to use at all, and if I did, I would be hard pressed to 
keep my job.  Yes, I have a Mac, and I'm downloading videos with it as we 
speak, but you can't throw out the baby with the bath water unless you 
happen to be either self employed or unemployed.
- Original Message - 
From: "carlene knight" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: MS Word's lack of access with VO


Hi:

I use Word at work and I can tell you that it has some bugs like trying to 
overlap things I need to see that I find downright annoying.  I wouldn't 
want TextEdit to do that, nor would I want the Mac OS and windows platforms 
to become too intermingled or we would just be inherrriting the problems 
that we are trying to avoid by switching to OS10 in the first place.  Just 
my thoughts.


On Sep 2, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I contacted MS about this on there feedback forum in 2007 but I have since 
> lost the link and there have been no results as far as I'm aware. I don't 
> use word anymore on windows or mac so I would not be able  to say yes or 
> no that it is or is not accessible.
> Sarah Alawami
> MSN: marri...@gmail.com
> aim: marri...@gmail.com:
>
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> Mobile site for podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/mobile/
>
> On Sep 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, cathyk wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>> I've been struck by how willing we are to accept the fact that VO
>> doesn't work natively with MS Word.  At one level all the work-arounds
>> show just how flexible, enterprising, and creative we are; every
>> employer should be eager to hire anyone with such spark and, yes,
>> ability.  But am I the only one who fluctuates between sadness and
>> outright anger that a program like MS Word, so standard in every
>> single thing related to word processing, isn't accessible from the get-
>> go?  Every work-around means time and energy taken away from the main
>> task at hand, whatever it is we're hoping to do.  Each conversion on
>> its own is just a few seconds here and there.  But these seconds add
>> up, plus they leave us open to unnecessary mistakes, which reflect
>> badly on our capabilities.
>>
>> I know some people on this list have been trying to change this.  I
>> propose we band together, and really push for this to happen
>> collectively.  We can certainly make it more public that despite all
>> the claims for accessibility, VO doesn't work with a MAJOR program.  I
>> frankly don't care whether the fault lies with Apple or Microsoft -
>> they need to be made to play together, just as they surely have on
>> other matters.  As an added incentive, I know that lots more sighted
>> people are warming to the idea of having long documents read to them,
>> which means that this improvement would have broader benefits and
>> could even be a marketing tool for Apple to tout its screen reader as
>> an interesting technology for all.
>>
>> Please excuse this rant, but it's been building up;  I just can't
>> understand why we're so willing to accept the status quo when the
>> thing that excited so many of us about the Mac was finally being part
>> of mainstream technology.
>>
>> In solidarity,
>> cathyk
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Re: Radio Streams in iTunes - was iTunes question Putting a Mac to Sleep at a Certain Time of Day?

[Rich Ring]

Thank you I completely forgot that keystroke.  All is well.
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Radio Streams in iTunes - was iTunes question Putting a Mac to 
Sleep at a Certain Time of Day?


Rich,

When you locate the genre, did you use VO-\ to expand the list? You may have 
to wait a few seconds to allow the list to update.


On Aug 22, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> Hello:
> I am trying to stream a radio station with iTunes.  I selected radio
> streaming with the sources table.  They tell me I should now have a genres
> table.  Instead, I have a songs table.  In order to choose the station I
> want to listen to, I was told to go to eclectic. I do that, but there are 
> no
> streams shown. Do you have to go to the iTunes store or something in order
> to find streams?
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iTunes question Putting a Mac to Sleep at a Certain Time of Day?

[Rich Ring]

Hello:
I am trying to stream a radio station with iTunes.  I selected radio 
streaming with the sources table.  They tell me I should now have a genres 
table.  Instead, I have a songs table.  In order to choose the station I 
want to listen to, I was told to go to eclectic. I do that, but there are no 
streams shown. Do you have to go to the iTunes store or something in order 
to find streams? 

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iPhone as a trackpad with the Mac?

[Rich Ring]

Hello: 
Is anyone using an application that allows the iPhone to function as a trackpad 
for the Mac? 
 

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Re: Interesting problem with used Mac book

[Rich Ring]

I don't know why the lol, but that was the problem.  I have another Snow 
Leopard CD and it will work.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah Alawami" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Interesting problem with used Mac book


lol. you read my mind! I was thinking the poster had an oem disk if that's 
the term I'm looking fore.

Take care.

S
On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Bob Hill wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It seems that there were two SL versions sold, one was a single 
> installation version, and the other could be installed on more than one 
> machine, but I don't remember how many.
>
> Sorry I don't have more details, but hopefully this will get you started.
>
> Take care.
>
> Bob Hill
>
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>> My fiance purchased a used Mac Book.  It is currently running Mac Os
>> 10.5..8.  Our idea was to install Snow Leopard, after erasing the hard
>> drive.  When we boot from the Snow Leopard CDD,  we are informed that we
>> can't install Snow Leopard on this machine and are offered the 
>> opportunity
>> to restart.  This machine is almost two years old, but I can't understand
>> why you couldn't install Snow Leopard on it.  Does anyone out there have 
>> a
>> clue?
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Interesting problem with used Mac book

[Rich Ring]

My fiance purchased a used Mac Book.  It is currently running Mac Os 
10.5..8.  Our idea was to install Snow Leopard, after erasing the hard 
drive.  When we boot from the Snow Leopard CDD,  we are informed that we 
can't install Snow Leopard on this machine and are offered the opportunity 
to restart.  This machine is almost two years old, but I can't understand 
why you couldn't install Snow Leopard on it.  Does anyone out there have a 
clue?

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Re: Voiceover training manuals

[Rich Ring]

The reason the paid version of MS Word doesn't work with Voiceover is that 
Microsoft didn't abide by accessibility guidelines when creating the 
software. Shame on them.
- Original Message - 
From: "cathyk" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover training manuals


Thanks for doing these manuals - what a great service!  Will there be
a central location where users can find them?

I think a VO wiki is a great idea.

Also, is there any hope of developing a fix so that VO will someday
work with the paid version of MS Word? It's such a key program, so key
that there's a Mac version.  Is VO access an issue to take up with
Apple or with Microsoft?
Cathyk

On Jul 15, 9:43 am, Chris Moore  wrote:
> Perhaps we should create a voice over wiki area where we can all 
> contribute and keep them up to date on a variety of apps.
> On 15 Jul 2010, at 17:33, Eric Caron wrote:> Hi Scot,
>
> > I would find manuals designed for blind users especially helpful with 
> > Pages, Or other powerful word processor. But I would also grab up many 
> > others such as Amadeus Pro, Skype,iTunes,and other tutorials such as 
> > using Mobile me Gmail, and other web based services. And Don't forget 
> > Face book.
>
> > If you are sharing manuals you have all ready completed I'd love to hear 
> > them.
>
> > Eric Caron
>
> > On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Scott Ballard-Ridley wrote:
>
> >> Hi all
>
> >> I am currently in the process of writing a comprehensive database of 
> >> Voiceover for the mac. i am looking to make these manuals freely 
> >> available through a number of outlets. i have already written manuals 
> >> for the majority of the standard Apple apps that come with the OS but i 
> >> am also looking to write manuals for frequently used 3rd party apps. if 
> >> any of you can think of some manuals that you would like for apps that 
> >> you commonly use, would you be so kind as to let me know either through 
> >> this list or a direct message. kind regards
>
> >> Scott Ballard-Ridley
>
> >> Twitter: scottballardrid
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Rich Ring]

I am not going to say anything good about Freedom, but you all act as if this 
information is  a done deal, where is the documentation that confirms it?  
Rumors do not equal truth,  so just where is this information coming from? I'm 
not saying it isn't true, but I have to say that all that you learn on the 
Internet isn't necessarily correct. If you doubt this, go to www.snopes.com :-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carolyn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?


  And speaking of their stranglehold, some of you mac-savvy folks stand to gain 
employability teaching the mac to those who either just start out, or move from 
PC to Mac.  Makes me want to really get cooking with mine!

  carolyn
- Original Message - 
From: Olivia Norman 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?


I agree with you! I've heard that "this works on JFW, so it must be 
accessible" so many times! I'll be excited to see them loose some of their 
strangle hold on the market.
Olivia
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs

On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> I will reserve comment on Freedom Scientific as a company.  While I too 
feel for those who will lose their jobs, I  am more concerned for those who are 
emotionally  attached to jfw.  Those who feel they have no choice but to use 
windows. Those who are told that everyone uses jfw, and that you are not a good 
blind person if you are not using it. those who fear going through the training 
process again, if they ever got real training in the first place.
> Frankly I hope no one takes over the program. One of the blights on 
access is the assumption that say banks and other commercial companies make 
that if a site works with jfw, then it is fully accessible for all computer 
users experiencing vision loss. That came from the strangle hold jfw had on the 
state and government market.
> so removing the program all together opens the door indeed for a real 
accessible level playing field.  something rooted in w3c suggestions, not on 
specific products.  The adaptive market becomes one with many consumers making 
computer choices based on their individual tastes and desires, not a one size 
fits all lump of people.
> But someone is going to have to help those lost sheep know that they now 
have more choices.
> Karen
> 
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Wow,
>> 
>> That is just amazing. I thought Freedom would have gone under a long 
time ago given their high prices and lack of tech support at least in my 
opinion. I think that people are tired of paying $1500 for  a screen reader. I 
use Window-Eyes that is currently being paid off via a payment plan. But Jaws 
kept crashing on me after version 6. I hope they will get someone to take the 
project over, since I know that windows users outnumber Mac. If I remember 
correctly, and this was way back in the late nineties I believe, JFW used to be 
owned by Henter Joyce. They also own Blazie I think. I think this might finally 
level the playing field for all of us. I don't have anything against Freedom, I 
just want technology to be accessible and affordable for everyone.
>> 
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of 
yet, but I wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, 
I won't be getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the Mac 
and Alex. :)
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those 
people who run Fusion on their Macs.
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
> To: ; ; 
; ; 
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind 
Audio List
>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>> 
>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>> 
>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>> 
>> Morning,
>> 
>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference 
Freedom
>> Scientific, the 

Re: Audible.com Experience

[Rich Ring]

I have about 10 Audible books on my stream, it's quite activated. What I 
think happened is that the Mac automatically downloaded in format 3 or even 
2.  The files are about half the size of format 4 files.
- Original Message - 
From: "Esther" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Audible.com Experience


Hi,

Two things to check: (1) Did you activate the stream for Audible
books?  I think the device may be constructed, like a number of other
mp3 players, so that it can only be activated under Windows.  If it is
already activated to permit it to play Audible books on the Windows
side, you should have no problems transferring over Audible books from
you Mac.  (2) Audible introduced a new enhanced audio format recently
that is better than their previous best quality (format 4).  Although
it's unlikely that your default download format is set to this
enhanced audio format, the stream is not one of the devices that can
play this format.  It can play format 4.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

On 11 May 2010, at 02:34, RATTRAY J. wrote:

> HI,
>
> I dohn't think so but would have to check - I thought it allowed
> playing
> elsewhere
>
> Julie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring
> Sent: 11 May 2010 13:28
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Audible.com Experience
>
> Does the Mac limit where you can play the files? In other words, if
> you
> download an audible book using the Mac, will the resulting files only
> play using iTunes?
> - Original Message -
> From: "RATTRAY J." 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:20 AM
> Subject: RE: Audible.com Experience
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am really confused by this - I use audible all the time with the Mac
> and have not had the problem you are describing. Generally you don't
> need to install any softwere to get audible to work with the Mac - you
> do with Windows but not Mac.
>
> The only thing I can suggest you try is going to your download
> preferences and seeing what they look like. I typically have my stuff
> download directly into itunes so I can put them on my ipod - I seem to
> remember that back in the day when I set it up that I had to tell it
> that I wanted it to do this so perhaps download preferences - found in
> the my acccount pages might be the best place to start.
>
> If you don't have any luck let me know and maybe I can suggest
> something
> else.
>
> Good luck
>
> Julie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring
> Sent: 11 May 2010 13:15
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Audible.com Experience
>
> Hello all:
> I recently bought an Audible book using the Mac.  Imagine my surprise
> when I clicked the purchase button, the book immediately started
> downloading.  I thought, this is excellent.  However, when the four
> parts of the title had finished downloading, and I managed to copy
> them
> to a thumb drive, I discovered that the file extensions were not
> correct.  I then discovered that I couldn't play the files on my
> Stream.
> There must be something I'm missing here.  Should I have installed the
> Audible Manager software before doing this?  Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
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Re: Audible.com Experience

[Rich Ring]

Does the Mac limit where you can play the files? In other words, if you 
download an audible book using the Mac, will the resulting files only play 
using iTunes?
- Original Message - 
From: "RATTRAY J." 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: Audible.com Experience


Hi,

I am really confused by this - I use audible all the time with the Mac
and have not had the problem you are describing. Generally you don't
need to install any softwere to get audible to work with the Mac - you
do with Windows but not Mac.

The only thing I can suggest you try is going to your download
preferences and seeing what they look like. I typically have my stuff
download directly into itunes so I can put them on my ipod - I seem to
remember that back in the day when I set it up that I had to tell it
that I wanted it to do this so perhaps download preferences - found in
the my acccount pages might be the best place to start.

If you don't have any luck let me know and maybe I can suggest something
else.

Good luck

Julie


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring
Sent: 11 May 2010 13:15
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Audible.com Experience

Hello all:
I recently bought an Audible book using the Mac.  Imagine my surprise
when I clicked the purchase button, the book immediately started
downloading.  I thought, this is excellent.  However, when the four
parts of the title had finished downloading, and I managed to copy them
to a thumb drive, I discovered that the file extensions were not
correct.  I then discovered that I couldn't play the files on my Stream.
There must be something I'm missing here.  Should I have installed the
Audible Manager software before doing this?  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.



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Audible.com Experience

[Rich Ring]

Hello all:
I recently bought an Audible book using the Mac.  Imagine my surprise when I 
clicked the purchase button, the book immediately started downloading.  I 
thought, this is excellent.  However, when the four parts of the title had 
finished downloading, and I managed to copy them to a thumb drive, I discovered 
that the file extensions were not correct.  I then discovered that I couldn't 
play the files on my Stream.  There must be something I'm missing here.  Should 
I have installed the Audible Manager software before doing this?  Any help 
would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Apple to go with AMD next?

[Rich Ring]

And if they go with AMD, I bet they still charge the same price for their 
computers. :-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rob Lambert 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:58 AM
  Subject: Apple to go with AMD next?


  Here's the link:  
http://chris.pirillo.com/is-apple-getting-into-bed-with-amd/ Tell me what you 
think.  

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Re: Using OS10 and Windows: was, New User

[Rich Ring]

I have been visiting worksites  in Oregon and Iowa since 2000. I have only 
encountered one that uses the Mac thus far. This is not a reflection on the 
Mac, but there are some issues that will slow down a transition from Windows 
to the Mac.  In major corporations, there is an extremely conservative 
mentality when it comes to Information Technology.  For example, Principal 
Financial Group, whose headquarters is in Des Moines, switched to Windows XP 
from Windows 2000. When you may ask? In 2009. Corporate work places are 
extremely slow to embrace the unknown, and even when it might seem 
advantageous to them, they do not do it.  However, there are reasons.  One 
reason is control.  Corporations usually have extremely locked down systems, 
and they are extremely zealous about what privileges employees have when it 
comes to using computer systems.  One work site I was involved in took 8 
weeks to allow an employee to update their version of a Windows screen 
reader.
Also, corporations tend not to purchase new state of the art  computer 
systems (God I hate that phrase) until they absolutely have too.  I believe 
that the Mac has great advantages over Windows especially when it comes to 
security and stability, but it will take time before we see a major shift 
from Windows to the Mac. Corporations are slow plodders most of the time. 
Yet, it is in such corporations where I would like to see more blind 
employees with a chance at upward mobility.
Then, we must visit the telemarketing jobs that unfortunately, many blind 
people end up with.  These call centers use the cheapest computers they can 
possibly get away with.  One call center in Des Moines, and one in Oregon 
used computers without sound cards. We purchased computers for several 
clients with sound cards so they could use a Windows Screen reader here in 
Des Moines, but in Oregon we purchased Doubletalk synthesizers, and Braille 
displays.
If I had my way in this wicked world, no blind person would ever have to 
take a telemarketing job, but at least at the beginning of ones career, it 
is something to put on a resume.  Telemarketing firms, which I like to call 
the broom factories of the 21st century, won't spend any money they can find 
a way not to spend.
So, I would be quite happy to see Macs flooding the corporate world, but it 
will take a good deal of time, unless things undergo a dramatic change.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Roy" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: Using OS10 and Windows: was, New User


While I do agree that will see them in schools and so on, it will be a long 
while before you see them in most businesses.  That's the sad part.

A lot of people who are seeking employment can certainly learn and use the 
mac, and, hopefully they do.  However, they will also have to learn windows, 
because, that's what's being used in main stream America.

Also, I still find there are some things  that I can't do on the mac 
efficiently enough to be fully productive.  Spreadsheets are still somewhat 
of a problem.  I know that numbers works, but, not as well as Excell with 
jaws or windowEyes.  I hope that will change in the vary near future.

Also, on my job, we do a lot of Braille translation.  I don't know of a good 
translator for the Mac.  Hopefully, someone will set me straight on that 1.


On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I think it's happening slowly already.  It is just a more cost effective 
> solution than windows computers with the price of a screenreader  thrown 
> in.  The transition will take a while because contracts need to be 
> fulfilled and such other things.  Then we will see thee Mac more in 
> schools, government agencies and the like.
> On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:
>
>> Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?
>>
>> On The, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer  wrote:
>> For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> Joe Plummer ( JP )
>> joeplum...@tds.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new member
>>
>> Hello Denise,
>>
>> I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since 
>> MS
>> Office for Mac is not accessible.
>>
>> As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read 
>> these
>> just fine.
>>
>> I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows 
>> user.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
>>
>> > hello,
>> > after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
>> experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac 
>> book
>> pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig 
>> of
>> ram, and a 

Re: what I think

[Rich Ring]

Thank you so much.  NFB actually published an article in the October Moniter 
written by a Mac user, Steve Sawczyn, which indirectly presented a more 
favorable point of view, then in the December Monitor, they did in fact 
admit that they had made a number of mistakes.  But, bashers will never let 
this rest, it makes them feel better, so what can you do?

- Original Message - 
From: "Ray Foret jr" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:47 AM
Subject: what I think



  While I don't blame people here for criticizing the NFB for its initially 
bad review of Apple's Voice OVer, (a criticism with which I myself agree), I 
must say quite frankly that I do not appreciate continued criticism of the 
NFB after they've made a good effort in the December 2009 "Braille, monitor" 
to correct many of their initially incorrect statements.  Besides, that's 
not why I joined this list.  It appears that some of you want to criticize 
the NFB for an initially bad review of Voice Over; but, not acknowledge when 
they admit they made quite a few substantial mistakes and openly apologized 
for them in the Monitor.  IF you make a mistake, you've got to be willing to 
own up that you've made it and try to make good what corrections you need 
to.  No.  The NFB is not perfect; but then again, who is?  Apple?  No. 
Microsoft?  No.  Me?  No.  You?  no.  Look y'all, they made a very big set 
of mistakes in their June review.  Only a fool would deny that.  but, let me 
remind all of y'all here that in the December update, they did correct many 
of their earlier statements.  Okay.  Maybe not all of them, but, enough of 
them so that I think they deserve credit for having owned up to when they 
were wrong.  But, seems to me like some of y'all can't stand to acknowledge 
that they did make an effort to clean up the mess they made.  If that's what 
this list is going to turn in to, I'm out o' here!!!  But, I'd rather think, 
(at least for the moment), that most of the people on this list are better 
than that.  I'm not saying y'all all have to become fans of the NFB.  All 
I'm saying is lay off.  They did wrong, and, they apologized for and made an 
effort to correct that wrong.  To me, when you commit a wrong very publicly, 
(as in the June "Braille Monitor"), and then you just as publicly apologize 
for it and make efforts to correct it, (as in the December "Braille 
Monitor"), you've got to frankly acknowledge that fact; and, whether you 
like it or not, they did!!!  Let's remember that shall we?

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!

Now A Proud Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net

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Re: Used an iPad today

[Rich Ring]

I have to admit, I find browsing with the Mac to be a different experience 
from doing it with Windows, but I'm learning it, and I can do what I want 
now. What is weird is that I have downloaded a few applications, and I never 
even knew they were downloaded.  Granted, they were small, but I was amazed 
to find them completed and ready to use.  I never got into web browsing with 
the iPhone.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vic" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Used an iPad today


Hi,
We have an iPad "in the house".  I have a good chance to play a
fair bit with it. I think this is a great device and gives you a sneak
peek into the assistive technology of the future.
In some ways Apple is challenging us, blind folks, by pushing the
envelope farther and farther as far as the user interface and
interaction are concerned. When you start interactign with the iPad
for the first time, you will realize a lot of difficulties with
finding things and orienting yourself because
1. the layout for various screens is different from those on the
iPhone.
2. You will be dealing with a much larger screen estate, and this is
no small joke, believe me.
3. While Apple generally maintains a fairly consistent user interface
in their own apps, i.e. with panes being on the left and on the right,
you will quickly find that 3rd-party apps will be less consistent and
offer much more customized layouts (more scrolling and touching for
the blind user).
4. It is a problem on the iPhone, and it is also observed on the iPad,
that Voiceover is not very good at alerting the user about the changes
on the screen. Yes, you do get beeps and such, but you still do not
know whether the new content appeared on the left, right, top, bottom
or in the middle of the screen. So you end up "fingering around" a lot
to figure out what actually happened.
5. ...And the most painful issue for me personally. Browsing o neither
iPhone or iPad is just not up to the task compared to Snow Leopard,
for example. Since one of the primary uses for the iPad is browsing
the web, this is actually the big show-stopper for me personally. In
fact, as far as the web support is concerned, nothing much has changed
since the iPhone days and that saddens me.

These are just some of my thoughts.
Vic




Blake Sinnett wrote:
> Seems like the smart people are making universal apps. This is what 
> everyone should do.
>
> > From: bryansm...@bryansmart.com
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:47:00 -0400
> > Subject: RE: Used an iPad today
> >
> > Yep, and your iPhone will have a much smaller screen, and won't be able 
> > to run the same software the same way with as much power.
> >
> > Right now, people are making their iPhone apps run on the iPad. 
> > Eventually, though, the new iPad apps will need to be scaled down in 
> > order to be ported back to the iPhone.
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:25 PM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Used an iPad today
> >
> > Also consider how often wifi will be available. networks might be all 
> > over the place, but most of them nowadays are secured, sow aht si the 
> > use? 3G is ok, but you've got an iPhone for that, so again, it's a 
> > mistake for the consumer side.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Olivia Norman" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Used an iPad today
> >
> >
> > > Interesting. I find portrait mode works better I considered the 3g
> > > version, but thought I didn't need both that and an iPhone.
> > > Olivia
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Smart 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet,
> > >> but I had some time to play with a WiFi model today.
> > >>
> > >> Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being
> > >> increased, the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is
> > >> certainly using the extra space to expand on what is possible with
> > >> an iPhone type touch interface.
> > >>
> > >> It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode
> > >> (which lots of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a
> > >> blind person. When you're working with two hands, having more
> > >> horizontal room seems to make more of a difference when navigating.
> > >> Fortunately, it is a snap to try either way to see what works for 
> > >> you.
> > >>
> > >> I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the
> > >> horrible oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost
> > >> nothing but shiny aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the
> > >> iPad on a table to use it, but I promise, the first time that you
> > >> place it on any table that isn't absolutely

Re: considering an iPad but have questions

[Rich Ring]

I am an AT&T subscriber, but I must say they have the worst service there 
is. I was at a friend's home last evening, and his Verizon phone worked just 
fine, I had zero bars. AT&T is fine if you live in a city and never have to 
travel to any rural areas, but if you do, they are the pits, and they don't 
seem to be making any improvements.  I really hope the iPhone goes Verizon.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cody" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: considering an iPad but have questions


You have a point, but consider the fact that a lot of technically inclined
people have a cellphone, braudband internet, a 3g air card, and then to put
this on top of that? that can amount up to $300 or so. alone before the
adjustment I made with at and t with my iPhone, my phone bill was $169.28,
after the adjustment it was $135.34. add $65 for an air card, $200.34, then
add another $20 for the capped bandwidth for iPad, $220 and that last $20 I
did not figure in tax so all in all $225 about. Then if you dont' watch your
bandwidth and accidentally go over that 5 cents per meg you go over with
vzw, I sure as hell don't have $300 to dump on that kind of access to the
internet $100 is bearly passable on my budget remember the economy isn't all
the greatest right now. And I forgot to add in $50 for TWC internet with the
turbo boost 15 up 2 down thats another $55 on top of that I'm estimating the
tax there it might actually be near $60 or over. So say $225 + $60 you are
now $285. So while $20 by itself isn't a lot, you need to consider the many
numbers of people who have all of the afore mentioned things combined
together. and I've got a steady income right now of about $1000. figure in
bording, food, and those bills and what am I left with? not very much if
anything. Then pay for the apps for the iPad. Apple products might be kick
ass, but my walet says otherwise right now.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: considering an iPad but have questions


Really, that is not a lot of money. I suppose that everyone's definition of
what constitutes "a lot" is different, but, if you're living in a modern
western country, and you have a job, even a low paying job, you can probably
afford $30 per month for anywhere, always on Internet, if you really want.

Do you ever order pizza? A large, multi topping pizza, with a side or two,
and a soda will cost over $20 with tax and tip. Cut out one pizza per month.
Problem solved.

If you aren't working, then you're probably at home a lot, so Wi-Fi will
work just fine for you.

I think that some people would be upset with a free lunch, because someone
else wasn't going to eat it for them. Your cell phone, with a good calling
package, unlimited texts, and an unlimited data plan can cost well over
$100. People pay $60 - $80 for broadband at their home. Seriously, if you
can't afford an average of $20 to access the Internet from anywhere on a
futuristic touch-controlled tablet computer, then said computer is probably
not really in your budget in the first place.

I'd prefer to be able to tether, but I understand why I can't. Further, why
would I want to? I have a Nokia phone, and it has an app that will run it as
a mobile hot spot for its 3G data connection. I could use that with the
iPad's Wi-Fi, but I won't do that. There is a huge battery in the iPad.
Browsing via my phone's 3G connection would suck up that little phone
battery before the iPad had barely begun to drain. And my phone has a really
good battery. The number one problem with the iPhone is the poor battery.
How long do you really think that your iPhone would last as a wireless hot
spot?

Besides, who wants to bother with starting up phone hot spot apps or getting
some cell company hot spot setup and connected every time they need to check
something quickly on their iPad? I'd rather just take it out, turn it on, do
what I have to do, and put it away. Unlike a laptop, the iPad doesn't need
to waste time going in to, or coming out of, hibernate. It is immediately on
and immediately connected. Messing around with tethering solutions takes all
of that quick and easy on/off advantage away. It isn't always worth saving a
dollar to waste your time.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering an iPad but have questions

Do you realize how big your bill would be if you did a pay as you go? as I
said, the iPad will bring many other things e.g. apps, 3g service and other
things that might cost you more than the device

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Blouch 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: considering an iPad but have questions

Data plans are required for the iPhone. I

Re: Used an iPad today

[Rich Ring]

I think it is over priced as well. I can buy a netbook with far greater 
storage capacity for far less, and even if I buy System Access, I'll have a 
lower price, and I am not limited to the Software big brother Apple wants me 
to have.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Carter" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Used an iPad today


Hi,

I am surprised that you feel that the iPad is over priced. It seems to me 
that Apple has really made a place for themselves in the lower priced 
devices with the introduction of the iPad. I personally think the price is 
impressive.

Robert Carter


On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Cody wrote:

> I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will 
> certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the 
> product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape 
> you at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth a 
> place in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our budgets 
> because we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one.
>
> Cody
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Smart" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM
> Subject: Used an iPad today
>
>
> I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I 
> had some time to play with a WiFi model today.
>
> Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being 
> increased, the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is 
> certainly using the extra space to expand on what is possible with an 
> iPhone type touch interface.
>
> It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which 
> lots of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind 
> person. When you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room 
> seems to make more of a difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a 
> snap to try either way to see what works for you.
>
> I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible 
> oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny 
> aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it, 
> but I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't 
> absolutely clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover 
> that the slight motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the 
> dirt particles in to the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny 
> aluminum back plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case 
> is a type of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a 
> traditional print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the other 
> side is a flap that covers the iPad screen when closed. I suppose that 
> most people will want the case to protect the screen when traveling, 
> anyway. If you go without the case, though, you are absolutely asking for 
> it. Apple could have put something on the back to make the iPad more 
> stable. Maybe not rubber feet, but they could have gone with a felt square 
> in the center, a stylized strip of some high friction material, etc. The 
> curved back will insure that the iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy 
> case will absolutely scratch.
>
> VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, 
> pretty much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, 
> but I hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the 
> built-in speakers.
>
> However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the 
> iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory 
> and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.
>
> I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available 
> on it, but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me 
> dreaming about things that *could* be accomplished with a device like 
> that. Many people might not need the iPad for web surfing or checking 
> e-mail, but I think that, eventually, there will be some very unique uses 
> for the iPad.
>
> Bryan
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Re: iPad Question

[Rich Ring]

How much does it cost? And, why would it be better than, say a Mac Book?
  - Original Message - 
  From: olivia norman 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:21 AM
  Subject: Re: iPad Question


  I love my iPad.  I have the 32 gig WiFi model, thought about 3G, but decided 
I didn't really need it because I have the iPhone 3gs.  All iPads come with VO 
bult in, as was previously noted.  
  So far my favorite iPad apps are iBooks, and the iPad versions of keynote, 
pages, and numbers.  The iPad also has a significantly better battery life than 
my iPhone.
  Olivia
  On Apr 5, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:


All iPads have VO no matter the size. The 3g iPhone was last years model. 
What do you think of the iPad?


On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Jane Jordan (GMail) 
 wrote:

  Does the 16GB version work with VO, too, or is it limmited, like the 
iPhone to 32GB and 64GB?
  Jane


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Re: nls book readers

[Rich Ring]

Iowa was a pilot state, I've had one since June of 2009.
there were 8 such states in the US.
- Original Message - 
From: "clarence griffin" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: nls book readers


I want to know how you got yours so fast? must not be any vets where you 
live, accept the ones you take the dog or cat to. lol.

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On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I also did a podcast for BCT about the free library-issued digital book 
> player. I realize that there is a waiting list, but you might still want 
> to listen to it to see what is possible.
>
> Bryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: nls book readers
> Importance: High
>
> Hi Max and listers,
>
> If you go to the blindcooltech web site, there are a couple of podcasts of 
> interest.
>
> Robert Carter did one comparing a variety of NLS compatible players.
> Larry Scutchan also did one on the newly released APH BookPort plus (not 
> sure of spelling).
>
> I believe that prices start at approximately $300.00.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Bob Hill
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>
>> Hello list;  After reading the posts on here about nls players, it got
>> me to take action and visit the nls site to sign up for the bard
>> program.  I wasn't surprised to find out there is a waiting list for
>> the new players, but i was surprised that its a year long unless you
>> are a veterin.  so, what are the major book readers out there, and how
>> do they rank?  To help with this discussion, I'm not looking for it to
>> do everything just read the books and magazines.  I'm also not looking
>> to spend a lot of money if I don't have to.  I'll appreciate any
>> suggestions or opinions.  Thanks and take care, Max
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Re: Stuck after a find

[Rich Ring]

Thanks, why didn't I think of that!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nicolai Svendsen 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Stuck after a find


  Hi,


  Just stop interacting. For some reason, it automatically interacts with it.


  Regards,
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  On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote:


Hello All,
Here is a stupid question, but I hope there is an answer.  While on the 
web, I did a find (vo f) to look for a particular link on a page.  The find 
brought me to the link, but then I'm stuck.  No matter what Vo command I issue, 
I'm stuck on the particular text string/element I was looking for.  Is there a 
way to get unstuck?  Thanks.


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Re: How easy would it be for a computer beginner to learn to use voiceover?

[Rich Ring]

I think it would be a lot easier for someone to learn the Mac who had never 
learned Windows first.  A person who has had a Windows experience for some 
15 years like myself has to shed a lot of baggage and preconceived notions 
that a beginner who has never been exposed to the Windows environment would 
not have to deal with.
- Original Message - 
From: "James & Nash" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: How easy would it be for a computer beginner to learn to use 
voiceover?


Hi Bill,
On 16 Mar 2010, at 09:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> I would definitely choose a Mac. The benefit to the Mac is that you have 
> to do things the same way that sighted users do, whereas scripts 
> accomplish the tasks for you.

Nic is absolutely correct. The in-built tutorial he  mentioned is very 
informative and intuitive. Also, as well as learning to use the Mac as a 
sighted person would, Voice Over also teaches you the layout of objects on 
the screen. I personally find this a lot less confusing than using 
artificial navigation techniques such as those used in JAWS such as the JAWS 
Cursor.

However, if the cost of the Mac is prohibitive for your friend, so we don't 
clog the list, drop me an E-Mail off-list and I can give you some  other 
solutions. I would also be happy to record some demos/tutorials if that 
would help too for using Voice Over with Mac.

BlindCoolTech also has a number of Mac/VO related tutorials. Mike Arigo has 
created around twelve and they  are very good at introducing the Mac to new 
users. You may need to search the BCT archives, but you can find them at:

http://www.blindcooltech.com

HTH
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
> Hi,
>
> I personally think VoiceOver is a greater screen reader than for example, 
> JAWS for Windows, and much more intuitive. This is due to the fact that 
> VoiceOver  teaches you how to use the operating system itself, and not on 
> a basis of scripts that will accomplish the same tasks but perhaps faster.
>
> VoiceOVer also contains a very in-depth tutorial, which will enable you to 
> at least get a hang of the basic navigation keys.
>
> I would definitely choose a Mac. The benefit to the Mac is that you have 
> to do things the same way that sighted users do, whereas scripts 
> accomplish the tasks for you.
>
> I have been using my Mac for seven months now, and I continue to be 
> amazed.
>
> Regards,
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> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:55 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> I would say that it is likely easier for someone to learn to use an Apple 
>> with the VoiceOver screen-reader if they have never used a Windows 
>> screen-reader before, than if they had.  That being said, I personally 
>> find the JAWS screen-reader for Windows a little more intuitive than 
>> VoiceOver.  I have, however, been using JAWS for Windows for 5 years and 
>> VoiceOver for only one year.
>>
>> I think that learning either VoiceOver for Apple or JAWS for Windows are 
>> quite a reasonably accomplishable task for someone who is willing to put 
>> in the time and energy to learn.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Everett Zufelt
>> http://zufelt.ca
>>
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>>
>> View my LinkedIn Profile
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 2010-03-15, at 8:47 PM, bilgerat wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not blind myself but have a blind friend. She's in her fifties and
>>> has little experience of computers. She was sold a Mercury system  by
>>> RNIB a couple of years back but can't get to grips with it. Nor can I.
>>> the system seems unstable and support is extremely limited. There is
>>> also no tuition available at all except audio discs which are
>>> seriously deficient in various respects.
>>>
>>> So as a macbook user myself I wonder whether that might be a suitable
>>> alternative for her. Basically she wants a computer for using the
>>> internet, for such everyday things as reading a paper, ordering
>>> groceries online, and using the BBC's I-player. But I'm really
>>> concerned that it might be too difficult to learn. There doesn't seem
>>> to be anyone at Apple UK who is actually experienced at using
>>> voiceover. I found one guy at Apple who gives one-to-one tuition to a
>>> blind user, but he told me they have given up on trying to use it to
>>> navigate web pages because it's just too complex!
>>>
>>> So I would be really grateful for advice on this - how difficult is it
>>> for a computer beginner to learn to use; what kind of support if any
>>> is available, any any other things that need thinking about.
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Stuck after a find

[Rich Ring]

Hello All,
Here is a stupid question, but I hope there is an answer.  While on the web, I 
did a find (vo f) to look for a particular link on a page.  The find brought me 
to the link, but then I'm stuck.  No matter what Vo command I issue, I'm stuck 
on the particular text string/element I was looking for.  Is there a way to get 
unstuck?  Thanks.

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Re: nls book readers

[Rich Ring]

NLS does not allow their books to be read using a computer no matter what kind 
it is, I don't explaine it, I just report it.  They are very concerned about 
copyright violations, and they don't want people to use their material who are 
not eligible to do so.
  - Original Message - 
  From: May McDonald 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:00 PM
  Subject: Re: nls book readers


  What do you mean there's no NLS readers for the Mac?

  On 2010-03-15, at 1:42 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:


Hi,
 
As far as the Mac is concerned, there are none that I know of right now.
 
HTH,
Blake
 
> From: maxwelli...@aol.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: nls book readers
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:46:14 -0500
> 
> Hello list; After reading the posts on here about nls players, it got 
> me to take action and visit the nls site to sign up for the bard 
> program. I wasn't surprised to find out there is a waiting list for 
> the new players, but i was surprised that its a year long unless you 
> are a veterin. so, what are the major book readers out there, and how 
> do they rank? To help with this discussion, I'm not looking for it to 
> do everything just read the books and magazines. I'm also not looking 
> to spend a lot of money if I don't have to. I'll appreciate any 
> suggestions or opinions. Thanks and take care, Max 
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Re: nls book readers

[Rich Ring]

NLS doesn't allow books to be read on any personal computer, be they Mac or PC.
There are players available, these are small portable expensive devices that 
will allow you to play music, books from RFB&D, and books from Audible as well 
as Bookshare.org.   And, of course, books from NLS.
They ar:Victor Reader Stream from HumanWare, $359,
Booksense from Hims (distributed in US by GWMicro) $359,
PlexTalk Pocket, I believe it is sold by IRTI $349,
And the newest player, Bookport Plus from APH. $299.
The Bookport Plus and the Plextalk Pocket are exactly the same hardware wise, 
but APH has tweeked the firmware and created a transfer software tool.
All of these devices require HCSD or SD cards for storage.
Currently the limit for storage is 32 Gigs.


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  From: Blake Sinnett 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:42 PM
  Subject: RE: nls book readers


  Hi,
   
  As far as the Mac is concerned, there are none that I know of right now.
   
  HTH,
  Blake
   
  > From: maxwelli...@aol.com
  > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  > Subject: nls book readers
  > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:46:14 -0500
  > 
  > Hello list; After reading the posts on here about nls players, it got 
  > me to take action and visit the nls site to sign up for the bard 
  > program. I wasn't surprised to find out there is a waiting list for 
  > the new players, but i was surprised that its a year long unless you 
  > are a veterin. so, what are the major book readers out there, and how 
  > do they rank? To help with this discussion, I'm not looking for it to 
  > do everything just read the books and magazines. I'm also not looking 
  > to spend a lot of money if I don't have to. I'll appreciate any 
  > suggestions or opinions. Thanks and take care, Max 
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Re: safari busy, busy, busy

[Rich Ring]

Does the page you're having trouble with have flash content?
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah Alawami" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: safari busy, busy, busy


You might be righ thtrere. the web page that gives me heck is the unlv web 
campus page as it  updates a lot.
On Mar 14, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> Hi rich, I have found that the problem for me is intermittent, and often 
> occurrs when I have a very busy page and pull an items chooser.
> On 2010-03-14, at 5:58 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>> I don't seem to be experiencing this on my new Mac Book.  It's not a pro,
>> couldn't quite afford one of those, but it only has two gigs of ram.  It 
>> is
>> possible that because I am such a new Mac user, I am not really putting a
>> lot of pressure on things as I don't usually have a lot of programs 
>> running
>> at the same time.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kimberly thurman" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: safari busy, busy, busy
>>
>>
>> Yep, happens to me in Itunes also as well as Safari.
>> On Mar 14, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>>
>>> No Brian, actually it's a macbook pro 13, and the busy thing just seems 
>>> to
>>> get stuck repeating itself in Safari, and sometimes even in itunes. 
>>> Just
>>> kind of quirky.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Bryan Smart
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:30 PM
>>> Subject: RE: safari busy, busy, busy
>>>
>>> I bet you have a Mac Mini without a monitor.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:31 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: safari busy, busy, busy
>>>
>>> Hi:
>>> I suppose this has already come up on list, but I'm wondering if others
>>> are frustrated by VO continuously getting stuck on and repeating "busy,"
>>> Is there a way to stop that from happening?  And Would this be 
>>> considered
>>> a bug to report to Apple.  Sorry if this is old to some of you, but it's
>>> new to me as I use the Mac more.
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Carolyn :)ch
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Re: safari busy, busy, busy

[Rich Ring]

I  am going to try that, just to see.  Have you updated to the latest 
version of Safari, and if so, has it made any difference?
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaare Dehard" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: safari busy, busy, busy


Hi rich, I have found that the problem for me is intermittent, and often 
occurrs when I have a very busy page and pull an items chooser.
On 2010-03-14, at 5:58 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> I don't seem to be experiencing this on my new Mac Book.  It's not a pro,
> couldn't quite afford one of those, but it only has two gigs of ram.  It 
> is
> possible that because I am such a new Mac user, I am not really putting a
> lot of pressure on things as I don't usually have a lot of programs 
> running
> at the same time.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kimberly thurman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: safari busy, busy, busy
>
>
> Yep, happens to me in Itunes also as well as Safari.
> On Mar 14, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>
>> No Brian, actually it's a macbook pro 13, and the busy thing just seems 
>> to
>> get stuck repeating itself in Safari, and sometimes even in itunes.  Just
>> kind of quirky.
>>
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Bryan Smart
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: safari busy, busy, busy
>>
>> I bet you have a Mac Mini without a monitor.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:31 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: safari busy, busy, busy
>>
>> Hi:
>> I suppose this has already come up on list, but I'm wondering if others
>> are frustrated by VO continuously getting stuck on and repeating "busy,"
>> Is there a way to stop that from happening?  And Would this be considered
>> a bug to report to Apple.  Sorry if this is old to some of you, but it's
>> new to me as I use the Mac more.
>> TIA
>>
>> Carolyn :)ch
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Re: safari busy, busy, busy

[Rich Ring]

But I think ZI'd have to have a Mac Book Pro in order to have 8 gigs of ram.
Half the reason I wanted to get into the Mac world was that OSX is supposed 
to use memory  more efficiently.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: safari busy, busy, busy


That's true as long as you're only running desktop apps.

If you're using virtual machines, for example, 8GB will be better. A Windows 
7 VM needs 3GB of memory to run with maximum performance, for example, and, 
with 4GB, that wouldn't leave you much for OSX. You can always run your 
virtual machines with less memory, and start fewer apps in them, but you'll 
hurt performance.

8GB is only about $350 right now in the US. It isn't that serious of a 
purchase if you do serious computing.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: safari busy, busy, busy

Four gigs is more than sufficient and any additional benefits from 
installing more ram will not justify the expense of the ram.
I have four gigs and I run a lot of stuff at once with no noticeable hit on 
performance.

On Mar 13, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Happens to me a lot and I'm using a 13 inch Macbook Pro.  It only has2 
> gigs of ram and I'm thinking that is causing some of my problems.  I get 
> the busy stuff when I have multiple aps open.
>
> This leads me to a question of my own.  I see  that it is possible to 
> upgrade ram.  My husband could do this for me, but how much ram is enough? 
> I read that I could put up to 8 gigs of ram in this thing.  Is that over 
> kill?  Would 4 gigs be enough?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kim
> On Mar 13, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>
>> I bet you have a Mac Mini without a monitor.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:31 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: safari busy, busy, busy
>>
>> Hi:
>> I suppose this has already come up on list, but I'm wondering if others 
>> are frustrated by VO continuously getting stuck on and repeating "busy," 
>> Is there a way to stop that from happening?  And Would this be considered 
>> a bug to report to Apple.  Sorry if this is old to some of you, but it's 
>> new to me as I use the Mac more.
>> TIA
>>
>> Carolyn :)ch
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Re: safari busy, busy, busy

[Rich Ring]

I don't seem to be experiencing this on my new Mac Book.  It's not a pro, 
couldn't quite afford one of those, but it only has two gigs of ram.  It is 
possible that because I am such a new Mac user, I am not really putting a 
lot of pressure on things as I don't usually have a lot of programs running 
at the same time.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kimberly thurman" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: safari busy, busy, busy


Yep, happens to me in Itunes also as well as Safari.
On Mar 14, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> No Brian, actually it's a macbook pro 13, and the busy thing just seems to 
> get stuck repeating itself in Safari, and sometimes even in itunes.  Just 
> kind of quirky.
>
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: Bryan Smart
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:30 PM
> Subject: RE: safari busy, busy, busy
>
> I bet you have a Mac Mini without a monitor.
>
> Bryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:31 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: safari busy, busy, busy
>
> Hi:
> I suppose this has already come up on list, but I'm wondering if others 
> are frustrated by VO continuously getting stuck on and repeating "busy," 
> Is there a way to stop that from happening?  And Would this be considered 
> a bug to report to Apple.  Sorry if this is old to some of you, but it's 
> new to me as I use the Mac more.
> TIA
>
> Carolyn :)ch
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Re: Apple keyboard commands

[Rich Ring]

Thanks, I'm gonna check both of these suggestions out.
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From: "James & Nash" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Apple keyboard commands


Hi Rich,
On 13 Mar 2010, at 13:53, Rich Ring wrote:
> Is there a comprehensive list of Mac keyboard commands floating around
> somewhere?  I'm speaking of commands that are not necessarily VO commands
> but keyboard commands, like command c or command s?  I know I could learn
> this much faster if I had access to such a list.
You should be able to find something in the Mac help itself, but you could 
also try somewhere like:

http://www.icanworkthisthing.com

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny

> Greetings all:
> Is there a comprehensive list of Mac keyboard commands floating around
> somewhere?  I'm speaking of commands that are not necessarily VO commands
> but keyboard commands, like command c or command s?  I know I could learn
> this much faster if I had access to such a list.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
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Apple keyboard commands

[Rich Ring]

Greetings all:
Is there a comprehensive list of Mac keyboard commands floating around 
somewhere?  I'm speaking of commands that are not necessarily VO commands 
but keyboard commands, like command c or command s?  I know I could learn 
this much faster if I had access to such a list.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Re: NLS Books

[Rich Ring]

Thanks.  Now, for another question.  Do you or anyone else for that matter 
know of an accessible Twitter client for the Mac?
I will have many more questions.
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From: "Buddy Brannan" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: NLS Books


Hey Rich,

If you just open the zip file, it will create a folder with the same name as 
the zip archive. That folder can then just be copied over to the thumb drive 
(cmd+c, navigate to the thumb drive, and press cmd+v).
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On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
>I know that many people on this list are not from the United States, 
> and
> I also know that many others on this list consider NLS books to be "getto"
> books, nonetheless, I ask my question.
> I need to teach someone how to download NLS books and unzip them to a 
> thumb
> drive or a blank cartridge so that they can play them on their NLS player.
> Can anyone help me with this?  The person in question has access to a Mac,
> but not to a Windows machine.
> So, what they will need to do is download the book and unzip the book to a
> thumb drive attached to their Mac.
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: NLS Books

[Rich Ring]

Thanks, I am very new at this, and your instructions are quite clear.

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From: "Slau Halatyn" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: NLS Books


1. They need to log in to the NLS BARD site, assuming they're already 
registered with the library.

2. Find the book using the search facility of the site.

3. Simply click on the link that says "Download (book title, whatever that 
might be." By default, the zipped file will download to the specified 
download folder, usually, not surprisingly, the Download folder.

4. Navigate to the downloaded file in the Finder and open the file with 
Command-o. This will unzip the file.

5. Copy the decompressed file folder and navigate to the thumb drive on the 
desktop.

6. Open the thumb drive with Command-o and press Command-v to paste the book 
onto the thumb drive.

HTH

On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
>I know that many people on this list are not from the United States, 
> and
> I also know that many others on this list consider NLS books to be "getto"
> books, nonetheless, I ask my question.
> I need to teach someone how to download NLS books and unzip them to a 
> thumb
> drive or a blank cartridge so that they can play them on their NLS player.
> Can anyone help me with this?  The person in question has access to a Mac,
> but not to a Windows machine.
> So, what they will need to do is download the book and unzip the book to a
> thumb drive attached to their Mac.
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Apple Job Opening - Accessibility Software Quality Engineer

[Rich Ring]

They will probably some sighted person who reads Braille with their eyes!
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From: "Buddy Brannan" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Job Opening - Accessibility Software Quality Engineer


Yes indeedy, Melanie is very wise. The bay is a great place to visit, but 
I'm fairly certain I wouldn't want to live there.
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NLS Books

[Rich Ring]

I know that many people on this list are not from the United States, and 
I also know that many others on this list consider NLS books to be "getto" 
books, nonetheless, I ask my question.
I need to teach someone how to download NLS books and unzip them to a thumb 
drive or a blank cartridge so that they can play them on their NLS player.
Can anyone help me with this?  The person in question has access to a Mac, 
but not to a Windows machine.
So, what they will need to do is download the book and unzip the book to a 
thumb drive attached to their Mac.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: -- RE: dvi to video adapter?

[Rich Ring]

Thanks David. People simply have to stop telling people this.
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:11 PM
Subject: -- RE: dvi to video adapter?


Not true!!!   Please folks stop propagating this myth.
You most definitely need a monitor if you have a mini made after last March.
On Jan 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Joe Plummer wrote:

> The answer is yes. Not no. Most people who buy the Mac mini buys the 
> display
> adapter. This makes the Mac mini think the display is hooked to it. Then
> acting normal. I don't know why but it is just this way. Just ask anyone 
> who
> has a Mac Mini and they will say you don't have to have a display hooked 
> to
> it but you do need the display adapter hooked to it.
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: dvi to video adapter?
>
> The short answer is no. Why would you not want a monitor connected? You
> never know, you might need sighted help.
>
>
> Matt Roberts
>
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
>
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 4:27 PM, "Josh"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi
> Does anyone know if you can trick the new mac minis into thinking a
> monitor is connected by using a dvi to video adapter or something like 
> that?
> by newer mac minis I'm talking about minis made within the last three
> months.
>
> Josh Kennedy  jkenn...@gmail.com
> my blog is at 
> http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net (updated frequently). Tired of Microsoft
> Windows and paying thousands for screen-readers? try out NVDA, get a 
> mac--,
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> knoppix-adriane Linux desktops. Knoppix ubuntu and vinux-cli-max are the
> most accessible for beginners. also try vinux-gui and encourage those at
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Re: Weird menu behaviors and airport express

[Rich Ring]

Ok, I know I could go to the Apple web site and find this out, but just 
what, in plain English is Airport Express?
- Original Message - 
From: "Lauren" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: Weird menu behaviors and airport express


Is it normal for the status menu to stop appearing? When I press VO-m
twice nothing happens. It's always fine after a restart, but it
strikes me as kind of a random problem. This only started happening
recently. I've been having trouble with a wireless network, so I was
using VO-M a lot to check the status of my connection. It just
abruptly stopped showing up.

Also, speaking of wireless networks, how difficult is the airport
express to set up? Can it be done independently?

thanks so much for any help,
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Re: Do you need to use a screen and a mouse with the new Mac Minnies?

[Rich Ring]

You will need to use a screen.
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Do you need to use a screen and a mouse with the new Mac Minnies?


Hi list,

I am just reading about the new Mac Minnies on the Apple site with my
partner who is considering getting a Mac.She is very interested in the
new MacBooks, but has also expressed some interest in the Mac Minnie.
Do you need to use a screen and\or a mouse with this Mac or can you
just use a keyboard?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

TC
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Re: questions about NVDA

[Rich Ring]

Would you please turn off your receipt function?  It is quite annoying.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Plummer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: questions about NVDA


Hi, might want to use satogo on the Windows side also. As far as a
magnifying solution you might want to try magic from Freedom Scientific you
can use it and use it in conjunction with Jaws. Both of these can be ran in
a Demo mode that will let you use it for ever in a 40 minute mode. Just some
thoughts.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions about NVDA

NVDA is basically a free screen reader for the Windows platform.  It works
with programs such as Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel and
somewhat with Outlook.  In case you don't know, Microsoft Excel is an
application for doing spreadsheets and Outlook is the email program that
comes with Microsoft Office.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like
> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have
> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it
> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos
> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I
> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text
> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext
> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to
> use boot camp.
>
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and
> how robust this is.
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Moving a word at a time in Text Edit

[Rich Ring]

We are using a Mac Book Pro running Leopard.  I was under the impression that 
in a text edit document one could move a word at a time by using bo left arrow, 
or vo right arrow.  However, this doesn't seem to work.  Is this the incorrect 
command?
Remember, this machine is running Leopard not Snow Leopard.

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Re: -- Re: mac mini

[Rich Ring]

And mine which was purchased during the last weekend in August won't work 
either.
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: -- Re: mac mini


Apparently then there must have been a hardware update between September and 
November because mine which was purchased in September doesn't work.
On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Rick Harmon wrote:

> Yes it does work correctly with the mini DVI to VGA adapter plugged in to
> the mac mini with no monitor hooked to the adapter. I'm currently playing 
> a
> DVD with no problems.
>
> Not sure if this enough to prove it needs no monitor or not though but it
> looks to be a good sign if you have the november version of the mini as I
> do.
>
> Rick
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: mac mini
>
>
> Hi,
>
> So does the new mac mini run correctly with the adaptor plugged in and no
> monitor attached.  I bought mine in April and it has to have the monitor
> attached.
>
> Steve
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:16 PM, David Denne wrote:
>
>> Oh alright I see. well yes then you are correct there. I don't know if
>> you read my profile or not but but I beta test VO so that is my hole
>> reason for coming on here. I want to get any feedback possible
>> whethere it be negative or postitive feedback.
>>
>> On 12/4/09, Rick Harmon  wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Yes I realize this, I was just commenting on the post  where the person
>>> said
>>> the newest mac minis didn't require a display to be plugged in to the
>>> mini
>>> for VO to work right.  I have a brand new mac mini here and it does not
>>> work
>>> as the poster stated when no adapter is used.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "David Denne" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: mac mini
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello rick. Keep one of the monitor adapters pluged in to your Mac
>>> mini. It will cause your mac mini to think there is a monitor and it
>>> should work as you want it to. If not I'll see what I can do to figure
>>> this out.
>>>
>>> On 12/4/09, Rick Harmon  wrote:
 I'm a new mac mini owner and just purchased the november version of the
 mini.  I unhooked my mini DVI to VGA adapter and tried to play a DVD 
 and
 got
 a DVD initialization error and DVD Player busy notice.  SO I'd say this
 advisor is wrong.

 Rick

 - Original Message -
 From: "louie" 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:27 PM
 Subject: mac mini


 Hi all,
 I just got off the phone with a mac adviser. I was told that the new
 Mac mini does not need any special adapter to work with out a monitor.

 louie
 louiem...@wavecable.com



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Re: mac mini

[Rich Ring]

Is that the adapter that came with your Mac?
Mine sure as hell doesn't work.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harmon" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: mac mini


Yes it does work correctly with the mini DVI to VGA adapter plugged in to
the mac mini with no monitor hooked to the adapter. I'm currently playing a
DVD with no problems.

Not sure if this enough to prove it needs no monitor or not though but it
looks to be a good sign if you have the november version of the mini as I
do.

Rick

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From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: mac mini


Hi,

So does the new mac mini run correctly with the adaptor plugged in and no
monitor attached.  I bought mine in April and it has to have the monitor
attached.

Steve
On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:16 PM, David Denne wrote:

> Oh alright I see. well yes then you are correct there. I don't know if
> you read my profile or not but but I beta test VO so that is my hole
> reason for coming on here. I want to get any feedback possible
> whethere it be negative or postitive feedback.
>
> On 12/4/09, Rick Harmon  wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Yes I realize this, I was just commenting on the post  where the person
>> said
>> the newest mac minis didn't require a display to be plugged in to the
>> mini
>> for VO to work right.  I have a brand new mac mini here and it does not
>> work
>> as the poster stated when no adapter is used.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David Denne" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: mac mini
>>
>>
>> Hello rick. Keep one of the monitor adapters pluged in to your Mac
>> mini. It will cause your mac mini to think there is a monitor and it
>> should work as you want it to. If not I'll see what I can do to figure
>> this out.
>>
>> On 12/4/09, Rick Harmon  wrote:
>>> I'm a new mac mini owner and just purchased the november version of the
>>> mini.  I unhooked my mini DVI to VGA adapter and tried to play a DVD and
>>> got
>>> a DVD initialization error and DVD Player busy notice.  SO I'd say this
>>> advisor is wrong.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "louie" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: mac mini
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just got off the phone with a mac adviser. I was told that the new
>>> Mac mini does not need any special adapter to work with out a monitor.
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiem...@wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: mac mini

[Rich Ring]

You have to have a monitor, it's that simple.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harmon" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: mac mini


I'm a new mac mini owner and just purchased the november version of the
mini.  I unhooked my mini DVI to VGA adapter and tried to play a DVD and got
a DVD initialization error and DVD Player busy notice.  SO I'd say this
advisor is wrong.

Rick

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From: "louie" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:27 PM
Subject: mac mini


Hi all,
I just got off the phone with a mac adviser. I was told that the new
Mac mini does not need any special adapter to work with out a monitor.

louie
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Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

[Rich Ring]

The reasons that state and Federal agencies are not purchasing as many Macs 
as they are Windows machines with screen readers are not simple.  Nor are 
they a product of some black helicopter United Nations sponsored left wing 
conspiracy.  I love how individuals bandy about the word socialism, 
especially if the given government program is not currently benefiting them.
State and Federal dollars that are to be spent in the rehab field are 
usually spent on two general categories of individuals.  First, there are 
students whose ultimate goal is to gain employment.  Second, it is spent on 
individuals whose immediate goal is to gain employment.  I'd be curious to 
know how many individuals who reside in the United States and are on this 
mailing list are currently employed in a workplace whare they are using a 
Mac?  If you are self employed and using a Mac, then you are to be 
commended.  Most people, including myself, do not possess the intelligence 
and the fortitude to successfully pursue such a venture.  However, the point 
is this.  If some one my state agency serves has a good reason for using a 
Mac, they will be quite likely to get one.  Thus far, we have received only 
a handful of such requests.  No, we're not going to buy someone a Mac so 
that they can tweet, make friends on FaceBook, or download music from 
iTunes.  If the popularity of the Mac continues to grow,  and more work 
places adopt it, my state agency will most likely purchase more of them. 
However, we don't buy expensive equipment so that people can be entertained. 
It is purchased so that individuals can use it to obtain work.
And while we're on the subject of socialism, let's get rid of the National 
Library Service in the United States.  After all, since books aren't 
universally accessible, blind people shouldn't be required to read them, nor 
should they want to.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jake" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium


Hi Scott
Although I agree with you completely, I'd argue that this situation
exists in the US as well. Has anyone successfully gotten the
government to buy them a Mac? I've never heard of a case, and the
reasons given are similar and some are even open about dealing
exclusively with one company or another. Ours, too, is a socialist
program gone wrong.
I'm actually curious now, has anyone gotten a Mac from any sort of
government agency and if so, what country?
In either case, though, let one thing be clear. You always have
choices, and you've the power to make them. I got my Mac because I
purchased it. Yes, I had to save up for a bit to do it, but it was
well worth it. You always have that option no matter what your
government decides to provide for you. So a ban on blind people
getting a Mac does not exist. Maybe if enough exercise their power of
choice we might counter the FUD spread by these blind companies. Come
to think of it, that's the only way I can think to counter it.
The sad thing is that these types of lobbies are all too successful
when they crop up, because most people will listen to anything as long
as the person speaking it acts like they know what they're talking
about. Marketing hype, in other words, and it's a very good way to get
at those in governments who know absolutely nothing about blindness or
access technology of any kind. That's why we do need to exercise our
freedom of choice. No one knows what product is better for a person
than the person in that situation.



On Nov 28, 6:52 pm, Scott Howell  wrote:
> Well there ya go, a socialist program run totally amuck. If your going to 
> get something for nothing, your going to be strapped with someone's idea 
> of what you can and can't have. Yep, quite unfair, but obviously some 
> screen reading developers are afraid of the Mac's ability. Well I'm sure 
> my comments won't set well with some, but it is what it is and I'm glad I 
> can make my own choices.
> On Nov 28, 2009, at 8:29 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello, I got this message from a friend (Paul Erkens) who will join the 
> > forum soon (his status is pending now). I am not really up to scratch 
> > with the general regime in belgium of giving access technology to blind 
> > people. I am just afraid that this will spread to the Netherlands.
> > Here I know htat high school and university students that are blind can 
> > get a laptop, a screenreader and a braille display from the state. You 
> > dont have to pay for anything in this scenario. In this case clearly 
> > getting a mac with infovox voices and a braille display would be the 
> > cheapest scenario but if the screenreader manufacturers start a lobby 
> > here as well...
> > Once again I am not sure how it all works out in Belgium.
> > Greetings, Anouk
> > On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
> >> So what's the problem here? Does the government (or insurance) 
> >> routinely buy computers for blind pe

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

[Rich Ring]

I beg to differ.   The state agency I work for has in fact purchased several 
Macs for individuals who requested them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jake" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium


Hi Scott
Although I agree with you completely, I'd argue that this situation
exists in the US as well. Has anyone successfully gotten the
government to buy them a Mac? I've never heard of a case, and the
reasons given are similar and some are even open about dealing
exclusively with one company or another. Ours, too, is a socialist
program gone wrong.
I'm actually curious now, has anyone gotten a Mac from any sort of
government agency and if so, what country?
In either case, though, let one thing be clear. You always have
choices, and you've the power to make them. I got my Mac because I
purchased it. Yes, I had to save up for a bit to do it, but it was
well worth it. You always have that option no matter what your
government decides to provide for you. So a ban on blind people
getting a Mac does not exist. Maybe if enough exercise their power of
choice we might counter the FUD spread by these blind companies. Come
to think of it, that's the only way I can think to counter it.
The sad thing is that these types of lobbies are all too successful
when they crop up, because most people will listen to anything as long
as the person speaking it acts like they know what they're talking
about. Marketing hype, in other words, and it's a very good way to get
at those in governments who know absolutely nothing about blindness or
access technology of any kind. That's why we do need to exercise our
freedom of choice. No one knows what product is better for a person
than the person in that situation.



On Nov 28, 6:52 pm, Scott Howell  wrote:
> Well there ya go, a socialist program run totally amuck. If your going to 
> get something for nothing, your going to be strapped with someone's idea 
> of what you can and can't have. Yep, quite unfair, but obviously some 
> screen reading developers are afraid of the Mac's ability. Well I'm sure 
> my comments won't set well with some, but it is what it is and I'm glad I 
> can make my own choices.
> On Nov 28, 2009, at 8:29 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello, I got this message from a friend (Paul Erkens) who will join the 
> > forum soon (his status is pending now). I am not really up to scratch 
> > with the general regime in belgium of giving access technology to blind 
> > people. I am just afraid that this will spread to the Netherlands.
> > Here I know htat high school and university students that are blind can 
> > get a laptop, a screenreader and a braille display from the state. You 
> > dont have to pay for anything in this scenario. In this case clearly 
> > getting a mac with infovox voices and a braille display would be the 
> > cheapest scenario but if the screenreader manufacturers start a lobby 
> > here as well...
> > Once again I am not sure how it all works out in Belgium.
> > Greetings, Anouk
> > On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
> >> So what's the problem here? Does the government (or insurance) 
> >> routinely buy computers for blind people, or just the screen reader? If 
> >> the former, I can see why this is a problem, but if the latter, the 
> >> good news is that any Mac comes with built-in access anyway, not 
> >> requiring any extra access add-ons.
> >> --
> >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
> >> On Nov 28, 2009, at 7:50 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>
> >>> Hello, A friend of mine told me this morning htat in Belgium windows 
> >>> screenreader companies have won a lobby that effectively bans blind 
> >>> people in belgium from getting a mac from their insurance (or the 
> >>> government). Because the screenreader people say it is unusable.
> >>> I think this is a very sad state of affairs indeed and I hope this 
> >>> wont happen in other countries as well.
> >>> Greetings, Anouk
>
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Re: Spreadsheet software was Powerpoint on the Mac

[Rich Ring]

Isn't iWorks Apple software?  Are they not aware of Voiceover?  And, if not, 
why not?
- Original Message - 
From: "Brett Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Spreadsheet software was Powerpoint on the Mac


I use a spreadsheet program called Tables.  It works great for me and the 
developer is mindful of VoiceOver.


Brett C.

On Nov 28, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Dan Roy wrote:

> Les, speaking of Iworks, have you had a chance to check out the 
> spreadsheet program, IE the Excell equivalent?  If so, how well does it 
> work?  if not, maybe someone on the list will know the answer.  if the 
> spreadsheet software in Iworks isn't readily and easily accessible, can 
> someone suggest an alternative?
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In iWork, there is an application called KeyNote which is the PowerPoint 
>> equivalent.  I purchased iWork from Amazon.com for $56 plus tax US 
>> currency a few weeks ago.  Good luck.
>>
>> Les
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Re: -- SPAM -- Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

I'll need some kind of adapter, because a while back I tried to connect my Mac 
Mini to a relatively new monitor, and the connector on the end of the monitor's 
cable did not match the end of the cable that came with my Mac.
  - Original Message - 
  From: carlene knight 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


  I could be wrong and totally making an idiot of myself, but if you get a 
monitor you won't need the adapter would you?  It seems as though people are 
just getting regular monitors for their minis.

  On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Rich Ring wrote:


Hi:
I did indeed receive your message, but it seemed to indicate that I would 
have to wire the adapter myself.  I don't think I could do this.  Trouble with 
getting a monitor is that none of the ones I've seen have the correct end that 
would fit into the adapter that came with my Mac Mini.  I'll keep looking.
  - Original Message -
  From: carlene knight
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:01 PM
  Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


  Did you get the message I sent you?  My husband called tech support for 
you regarding a dummy adapter.  I don't know if it is the one you have.  You 
could get a very small used monitor for  about $50 that wouldn't take up much 
room, but would fix this issue.




  On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:44 PM, David McLean wrote:


Maybe if we keep hammering them they'll get it eventually!!!

    On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Rich Ring wrote:


  That adapter simply does not work! Please do not advise individuals 
that it does, because it is not correct.  When I attached it to my Mac Mini, 
the machine refused to even boot! We need to quash this adapter thing now!  I 
wasted money on the adapter based upon the recommendations of well-meaning 
individuals, but enough already.  It doesn't work.

- Original Message -
From: Chris Blouch
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


Correct. You want the whatever your computer has to video adapter. 

http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A

There are different flavors depending on what the port is on the 
back of your computer. The one noted above is the mini-dvi to video but some 
computers might have the micro-DVI which is

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB202G/A

CB

David McLean wrote:
  Here is the one I ordered as recommended on this list.  If it  
isn't correct I'd sure appreciate it someone can finally clarify exactly which 
one it is that does work!

Product Number Unit Price Qty Subtotal 
 
VID ADPT MINI-DVI TO VIDEO ADAPTER-GEN M9319G/A $19.00

   
  On Nov 28, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:


I haven't seen it stated clearly in this thread. Was the 
adaptor purchased the Mac to NTSC adaptor? That's the only one that works. The 
NTSC adaptor tells the Mac that there is a monitor attached even if there isn't 
one. The DVI adaptor is not the right one. That one still passes through the 
monitor detect signaling so it just moves the problem further down the chain of 
connections. For those not familiar, without a monitor connected the Mac tries 
to detect what's hooked up. This detection apparently hangs the machine, makes 
it run horribly slow or other bad behaviors if there isn't a monitor hooked up. 
If you hook up an NTSC adaptor the detect runs as though a screen is hooked up 
and then everything works.

CB

Chris G wrote:
Hi,

I agree, if I would've known the frustration my Mac mini would cause me
I would've bought an iMac.  Sometimes it doesn't pay to try and save a
little money.
Chris



On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:05:32 -0600
"Rich Ring"  wrote:

  I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on this 
computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who knewA?
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: -- Mac Mini problem


Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which is 
what I did.
Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas 
present (an imac).

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

Hello:
I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that 
many
folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's

Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

Agreed, and requiring one who cannot see a monitor to have one runs counter to 
accessibility.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


  Has anyone contacted Apple about this hardware bug? It's one thing to require 
a video dongle to make the machine work right without a monitor but now Apple 
has even broken that option.

  CB

  Chris G wrote: 
Yes, and it doesn't even need to be plugged into ac power.  just
connected to the mac and the mac works fine.
Chris



On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:59:29 -0600
Dan Roy  wrote:

  yes, it definitely does need a monitor, it's to bad that most of us didn't 
know that when we bought them.  I, fortunately, have an old old VGA monitor 
here,a dn, just having it hooked up makes a big big difference.


On Nov 24, 2009, at 6:42 PM, David McLean wrote:

Actually the mini is a great machine with the exception that it needs a 
monitor.  Pretty minor for me although I wish the mini adapter did work because 
it would increase the portability of the machine a bit.

On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

  I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on this 
computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who knewA?
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: -- Mac Mini problem


Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which is 
what I did.
Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas 
present (an imac).

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

Hello:
I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that 
many
folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's poor
performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very
busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the 
Mac
on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it 
with
the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no
speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes 
up
as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well,
but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the
system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of 
you
have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you 
have
a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jess Smith" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player


Hi all,

Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player skips
ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one finishes
playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
Thanks.

Jes.

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Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

[Rich Ring]

But, they can still purchase one, can they not?
- Original Message - 
From: "anouk radix" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: no mac for blind people in Belgium


Hello, A friend of mine told me this morning htat in Belgium windows 
screenreader companies have won a lobby that effectively bans blind people 
in belgium from getting a mac from their insurance (or the government). 
Because the screenreader people say it is unusable.
I think this is a very sad state of affairs indeed and I hope this wont 
happen in other countries as well.
Greetings, Anouk

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Re: -- SPAM -- Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

Hi:
I did indeed receive your message, but it seemed to indicate that I would have 
to wire the adapter myself.  I don't think I could do this.  Trouble with 
getting a monitor is that none of the ones I've seen have the correct end that 
would fit into the adapter that came with my Mac Mini.  I'll keep looking.
  - Original Message - 
  From: carlene knight 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:01 PM
  Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


  Did you get the message I sent you?  My husband called tech support for you 
regarding a dummy adapter.  I don't know if it is the one you have.  You could 
get a very small used monitor for  about $50 that wouldn't take up much room, 
but would fix this issue.




  On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:44 PM, David McLean wrote:


Maybe if we keep hammering them they'll get it eventually!!!

    On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Rich Ring wrote:


  That adapter simply does not work! Please do not advise individuals that 
it does, because it is not correct.  When I attached it to my Mac Mini, the 
machine refused to even boot! We need to quash this adapter thing now!  I 
wasted money on the adapter based upon the recommendations of well-meaning 
individuals, but enough already.  It doesn't work.

- Original Message -
From: Chris Blouch
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


Correct. You want the whatever your computer has to video adapter. 

http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A

There are different flavors depending on what the port is on the back 
of your computer. The one noted above is the mini-dvi to video but some 
computers might have the micro-DVI which is

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB202G/A

CB

David McLean wrote:
  Here is the one I ordered as recommended on this list.  If it  isn't 
correct I'd sure appreciate it someone can finally clarify exactly which one it 
is that does work!

Product Number Unit Price Qty Subtotal 
 
VID ADPT MINI-DVI TO VIDEO ADAPTER-GEN M9319G/A $19.00

   
  On Nov 28, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:


I haven't seen it stated clearly in this thread. Was the adaptor 
purchased the Mac to NTSC adaptor? That's the only one that works. The NTSC 
adaptor tells the Mac that there is a monitor attached even if there isn't one. 
The DVI adaptor is not the right one. That one still passes through the monitor 
detect signaling so it just moves the problem further down the chain of 
connections. For those not familiar, without a monitor connected the Mac tries 
to detect what's hooked up. This detection apparently hangs the machine, makes 
it run horribly slow or other bad behaviors if there isn't a monitor hooked up. 
If you hook up an NTSC adaptor the detect runs as though a screen is hooked up 
and then everything works.

CB

Chris G wrote:
Hi,

I agree, if I would've known the frustration my Mac mini would cause me
I would've bought an iMac.  Sometimes it doesn't pay to try and save a
little money.
Chris



On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:05:32 -0600
"Rich Ring"  wrote:

  I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on this 
computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who knewA?
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: -- Mac Mini problem


Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which is 
what I did.
Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas 
present (an imac).

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

Hello:
I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that 
many
folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's poor
performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very
busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the 
Mac
on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it 
with
the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no
speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes 
up
as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well,
but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the
system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of 
you
have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you 
have
a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.

--

Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

That adapter simply does not work! Please do not advise individuals that it 
does, because it is not correct.  When I attached it to my Mac Mini, the 
machine refused to even boot! We need to quash this adapter thing now!  I 
wasted money on the adapter based upon the recommendations of well-meaning 
individuals, but enough already.  It doesn't work.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem


  Correct. You want the whatever your computer has to video adapter. 

  http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A

  There are different flavors depending on what the port is on the back of your 
computer. The one noted above is the mini-dvi to video but some computers might 
have the micro-DVI which is

  http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB202G/A

  CB

  David McLean wrote: 
Here is the one I ordered as recommended on this list.  If it  isn't 
correct I'd sure appreciate it someone can finally clarify exactly which one it 
is that does work! 

  Product Number Unit Price Qty Subtotal 
 
  VID ADPT MINI-DVI TO VIDEO ADAPTER-GEN M9319G/A $19.00

 
On Nov 28, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:


  I haven't seen it stated clearly in this thread. Was the adaptor 
purchased the Mac to NTSC adaptor? That's the only one that works. The NTSC 
adaptor tells the Mac that there is a monitor attached even if there isn't one. 
The DVI adaptor is not the right one. That one still passes through the monitor 
detect signaling so it just moves the problem further down the chain of 
connections. For those not familiar, without a monitor connected the Mac tries 
to detect what's hooked up. This detection apparently hangs the machine, makes 
it run horribly slow or other bad behaviors if there isn't a monitor hooked up. 
If you hook up an NTSC adaptor the detect runs as though a screen is hooked up 
and then everything works.

  CB

  Chris G wrote: 
Hi,

I agree, if I would've known the frustration my Mac mini would cause me
I would've bought an iMac.  Sometimes it doesn't pay to try and save a
little money.
Chris



On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:05:32 -0600
"Rich Ring"  wrote:

  I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on this 
computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who knewA?
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: -- Mac Mini problem


Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which is 
what I did.
Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas 
present (an imac).

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

Hello:
I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that 
many
folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's poor
performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very
busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the 
Mac
on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it 
with
the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no
speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes 
up
as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well,
but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the
system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of 
you
have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you 
have
a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jess Smith" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player


Hi all,

Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player skips
ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one finishes
playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
Thanks.

Jes.

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Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

I'll let you know soon, but you'll get a good deal.
- Original Message - 
From: "chris polk" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: -- Mac Mini problem


how much do you want? very interested

On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> Anybody want to buy a very slightly used Mac Mini?
> I only bought it on August 29 of this year, It's the best of the two 
> models,
> at this point, I have had enough of the thing.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David McLean" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
> Subject: -- Mac Mini problem
>
>
> Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
> My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which 
> is
> what I did.
> Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas
> present (an imac).
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>> Hello:
>> I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that
>> many
>> folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's 
>> poor
>> performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very
>> busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the
>> Mac
>> on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it
>> with
>> the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
>> connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no
>> speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes
>> up
>> as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well,
>> but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the
>> system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of
>> you
>> have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you
>> have
>> a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jess Smith" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
>> Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player skips
>> ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one finishes
>> playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jes.
>>
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Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

Anybody want to buy a very slightly used Mac Mini?
I only bought it on August 29 of this year, It's the best of the two models, 
at this point, I have had enough of the thing.
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: -- Mac Mini problem


Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which is 
what I did.
Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas 
present (an imac).

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> Hello:
> I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that 
> many
> folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's poor
> performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very
> busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the 
> Mac
> on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it 
> with
> the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
> connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no
> speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes 
> up
> as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well,
> but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the
> system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of 
> you
> have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you 
> have
> a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jess Smith" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
> Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player skips
> ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one finishes
> playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
> Thanks.
>
> Jes.
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Re: Formatting thumb drives in Boot camp for use by Mac users

[Rich Ring]

MessageAre the Sandisk drives U3 enabled?  If so, that could make a difference.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Gibbs 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:22 PM
  Subject: RE: Formatting thumb drives in Boot camp for use by Mac users


  None of these drives was formatted away from whatever they were when they 
were bought.  The drive marked simply FAT, as distinct from FAT32, is a Lexar.  
The others are Sandisk Cruzer Micro 4GB drives.  Like I said, I'll have to test 
again to see whether Pam can write to one of these FAT32 drives.
  Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Scott Howell [mailto:scottn3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Formatting thumb drives in Boot camp for use by Mac users


Kevin, 


If I understand you correctly, you have drives formatted for windows and 
your wife can read, but can't write to them? That is very strange unless they 
are formatted for NTFS. If you reformatted the drives from the format they 
initially were when you purchased them, you may want to consider reformatting 
them back to FAT32. I have a number of thum/flash drives here that will work 
fine on both windows and the Mac for both read and write operations. If these 
drives have not been reformatted, are they a particular brand? 


On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:


  Dear All,
  I don't own a Mac yet.  I have several thumb drives I've formatted on 
my XP laptop. The fundamental problem with this is that when I bring one of my 
thumb drives to my wife's Mac, she can copy a file from it to her computer, but 
not from her computer to the drive.  In essence, she can read but not write on 
this drive. If I Move to Mac and run Bootcamp, which I don't plan to do unless 
I must, will my wife be able to write on one of my thumb drives that I've 
formatted while my Mac is running Boot camp, or will we have the same format 
incompatibility issue?   
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Re: -- Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on this 
computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who knewA?
- Original Message - 
From: "David McLean" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: -- Mac Mini problem


Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini which is 
what I did.
Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early Christmas 
present (an imac).

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> Hello:
> I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that 
> many
> folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's poor
> performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very
> busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the 
> Mac
> on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it 
> with
> the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
> connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no
> speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes 
> up
> as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well,
> but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the
> system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of 
> you
> have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you 
> have
> a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jess Smith" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
> Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player skips
> ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one finishes
> playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
> Thanks.
>
> Jes.
>
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Mac Mini problem

[Rich Ring]

Hello:
I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter that many 
folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac Mini's poor 
performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have been very 
busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put the Mac 
on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down to it with 
the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today, 
connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have no 
speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO comes up 
as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still well, 
but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering why the 
system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If  any of you 
have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of you have 
a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jess Smith" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player


Hi all,

Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player skips 
ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one finishes 
playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
Thanks.

Jes.

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Re: iPhone like KNFB?

[Rich Ring]

The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
  Subject: iPhone like KNFB?


  Hello,


  What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide similar 
functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could help are:


  * OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
  * Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the corner of 
North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to the corner, "Turn 
right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the next corner, St. Claire and E 
Heron."
  * Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or description.
  * Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere in the 
picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen that makes use 
difficult when you're only sure of the general location of the code. Ability to 
pair with external BlueTooth barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
  * Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in feature, but with 
names of directions quickly spoken.


  Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer full 
functionality.


  * A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great accuracy. It even 
cuts itself off if you turn it really fast, listen to the directions in an 
audio blur if you so choose.
  * Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also, great for 
getting phone numbers to places quickly.
  * Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general directions. 
However, no warnings about distance as you move.


  I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical blindness 
offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps can be fantastic:


  * CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If you live in 
Chicago, this app provides complete details of busses at your local bus stops. 
Find a bus, wait for it to pull up and announce itself, then track your way to 
your destination with time estimates. Simply awesome for commuting. If you 
leave the VO cursor on the next stop in the list, and turn Auto Lock off, VO 
will announce the stop the bus is approaching once a minute. Turn on your iPod, 
and let VO be the Dj telling you where you're at as you travel without having 
to keep one ear open for the bus PA system.
  * Chipotle - Order some yummy food while you're on your way home. You can put 
together your order, choose toppings, sides, and a drink. You can then place a 
note on the order to let the great staff know you're blind, and to look out for 
ya when you get there. It has been a really amazing experience using this app. 
My reason, sometimes the restaurant is so loud that the staff start simply 
pointing at the toppings and looking for feedback from the customer. When you 
try and explain that you're blind, they don't speak up enough, or it really 
throws them off and they start missing toppings. Using this app, you get 
exactly what you wanted without the confusion of the Chipotle assembly line. 
Even better, your credit card never comes out of your wallet.


  I've got many other apps, but these are some that I've used in the last few 
days. They provide me with tools that enrich my life. There are others out 
there I know I'm missing, as the app store is the hottest most crowded 
marketplace for software I've ever seen. If anyone else has ideas for apps that 
make the iPhone specifically a brilliant tool for a blind user, please let us 
all know. Beyond the Twitter and Facebook apps we all love, I'm looking for 
apps that help enhance real life activities happening in the real world.


  Thanks,
  Ryan Dour





  

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Re: Playing a DVD

[Rich Ring]

Didn't work for me, I kept receiving initialization errors.
- Original Message - 
From: "erik burggraaf" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Playing a DVD



with dvd player, which should pop up when you insert your dvd.

Press enter to play the first title, and off you go.

DVD player is a 100% accessible app.  I used it to learn menu bars and
other simple consepts on the mac and have a bit of a soft spot for it.

Best,

erik burggraaf
A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 2009-10-02, at 9:44 AM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
> Hello:
> I received a DVD for my birthday.  All I want to do is play it.  How
> does
> one accomplish this seemingly simple task on the Mac?
>
>
> >




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Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor

[Rich Ring]

Here is the link:
http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0909/bm090907.htm


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Re: iPhone honored by NFB

[Rich Ring]

My local Apple store doesn't even know that Voiceover exists, well now they do, 
because I explained it to them.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Hofstader 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:46 AM
  Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB


  My thoughts exactly.  I think the people who read AT reviews fall into two 
categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and people already 
using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping up with the technology 
conversations.


  Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the users of AT 
who rarely are even asked for input.


  An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new to 
computing or new to participating in discussions about such.  Whenever a new 
person joins any of the three Apple related lists to which I subscribe, I make 
certain of taking notice of their name.  Some are people I've known for years 
from lots of different lists.  A whole lot, maybe even most, seem new to 
technology lists (I doubt too many are entirely new to computing as finding a 
list, getting signed up, etc. isn't obvious to the novice).


  I know that Apple stores are offering VO training because (I'm guessing) the 
local Lighthouse or other agencies aren't serving the Mac market.  


  I'm working on a very large proposal for a really huge project that includes 
a lot of questions about populations and numbers of users on different AT with 
a variety of different disabilities.  The only information I can get about Mac 
users with vision impairment comes from surveys which have the self selection 
problem (a lot of people do not fill out surveys) which may over or 
under-estimate MacinBlinks as we've no scientificly gathered data.  Lighthouse 
and other training centers don't count Macintosh users as they do not train 
them so, as far as that class of NGO goes, we do not really exist.


  As millions of Macs have shipped since the first VO, we've no clue how many 
blinks are using them, how they are being used, etc.


  I would estimate, though, from my entirely unscientific survey of names on 
mailing lists that Mac is hitting a previously unserved population and doing so 
well enough for the users to spend time on lists helping each other out.  


  I do not, however, know how many people are on these lists - the JAWS list 
has over 900 users last I looked and the Apple oriented seem to have a lot 
fewer.  Of course, pointing back to the top of the message, if Mac is being 
used by tons of real novices, then we have no way to get a census of VO use.


  Ah... tangled webs and the like...


  cdh   


  To wit: 


  cdh

  On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


Apple has played the 'let the best technology win in the long run' game for 
a while. Maybe that's why they have about 5% market share. Most people don't 
care and just get what their network recommend. So those already leaning 
towards Apple will cite antagonism and those leaning away will consider it 
affirmation. Neither will move much based on one review.

CB

Cameron wrote: 
Hi.  It's depressing to think about the potential number of people who after
reading that awful so called review, will not end up giving the mac platform
a shot.  With all the work apple has done, and continues to do in terms of
out of the box accessibility, this is quite unfair.

Cameron.


 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB


I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, political 
parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. Unfortunate, but 
true.
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From: "kaare dehard" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB



I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather
sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like
the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That
certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility.
On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

  I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to
make up for
the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite
admitting they
were wrong.  You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is
what I
firmly believe.
- Original Message -
From: "ben mustill-rose" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB



I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a
device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone
with its touch screen.

O well - step in the right dire

Playing a DVD

[Rich Ring]

Hello:
I received a DVD for my birthday.  All I want to do is play it.  How does 
one accomplish this seemingly simple task on the Mac? 


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Re: iPhone honored by NFB

[Rich Ring]

I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, political 
parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. Unfortunate, but 
true.
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From: "kaare dehard" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB



I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather
sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like
the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That
certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility.
On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
> I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to
> make up for
> the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite
> admitting they
> were wrong.  You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is
> what I
> firmly believe.
> - Original Message -
> From: "ben mustill-rose" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>
>
>
> I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a
> device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone
> with its touch screen.
>
> O well - step in the right direction anyway.
>
> On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
>> You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I
>> think.
>> K.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe
>> Rykiel
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>>
>>
>> Dear Chris,
>> a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to
>> turn v o
>> on
>> and off on his device so I can give it a try.
>> Cheers,
>> JPR
>> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Chris Blouch <mailto:cblo...@aol.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>>
>> It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device
>> accessible via
>> speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not
>> Alex)
>> and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls.
>> That
>> said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch.
>> Previous
>> models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is
>> no
>> upgrade to get VO on the older devices.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come
>> with V O
>> as well?
>> JPR
>> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Chris Blouch <mailto:cblo...@aol.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>>
>>
>> Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition,
>> not
>> well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from
>> the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution
>> the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of
>> what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more
>> rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has
>> failed
>> and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks
>> for a
>> long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the
>> definition of 'good' to be redefined.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> william lomas wrote:
>>> they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac?
>>> hyppocrits
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Kind regards, BEN.
>
> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com
> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com
> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction)
>
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>
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Re: iPhone honored by NFB

[Rich Ring]

I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for 
the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they 
were wrong.  You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I 
firmly believe.
- Original Message - 
From: "ben mustill-rose" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB



I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a
device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone
with its touch screen.

O well - step in the right direction anyway.

On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think.
> K.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>
>
> Dear Chris,
> a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o 
> on
> and off on his device so I can give it a try.
> Cheers,
> JPR
> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Blouch 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>
> It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via
> speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not 
> Alex)
> and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That
> said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous
> models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no
> upgrade to get VO on the older devices.
>
> CB
>
> Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote:
>
> Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O
> as well?
> JPR
> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Blouch 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
>
>
> Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not
> well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from
> the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution
> the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of
> what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more
> rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed
> and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a
> long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the
> definition of 'good' to be redefined.
>
> CB
>
> william lomas wrote:
>> they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac?
>> hyppocrits
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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Re: help details

[Rich Ring]

You might consider learning how to type as well.
- Original Message - 
From: "David Geiger" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: help details



ok well first off  i can not figure out how to the the track pad to
work with voice over  as it said it would  meaning talk when useing
the track pad  and second  when in dock  i can not access folders i
cant get my apps folder to open or the down load folder or the doc
forlder but i cant get  outher things to open on the doc  just not
folders  i am new to mac so alot to learn but feel stupid when cant
get folder to open  thanks guys


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Re: sluggish composng of mail

[Rich Ring]

I have the same problem in Mail.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christina" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: sluggish composng of mail



Hello list,

I've been experiencing sluggish typing  while typing an e-mail.  When
I'm composing a message voiceover speaks very slowly.  So, I don't
know if it's actually typing slowly on the screen or if it's just
voiceover speaking very sluggishly. It's weird because I have this
sensation as though I'm typing in mud.  This doesn't always occur
while typing a new message.  It definitely happens every time I reply
to a message.  It is very frustrating.

Has anyone else experienced this or does anyone have any ideas as to
why this has been happening since I upgraded to SL?  I love my mac and
SL so I don't want to sound as though I'm complaining.  :)

Thanks so very much,
Christina




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Re: EFI Mac Mini Firmware update

[Rich Ring]

Thanks.
I did read the instructions, and I did get a strange little beep.  All  
seems well though.
On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:

>
> Hi Rich,
>
> The simplest comparrison to make as a new switcher is to think of it
> as a bios update, efi is pretty much the mac's equivillent.
> Downloading them usually means good news.  Just be sure to take care
> to read the update instructions that come up before it restarts,
> because they usually require a boot up in a slightly different way to
> normal.  On my mbp, you have to hold down the power button
> continuously until the poor thing makes a beep that's louder and
> longer than I imagined, but it might be a different procedure on a
> mini.  If you're really lucky, you might be spared the beep.
>
> Have at it, and give us a shout if anything irks you.
>
> Scott
>
> On 9/9/09, Rich Ring  wrote:
>> Does anyone know what this is?
>> Haven't got a clue.
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
> >


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EFI Mac Mini Firmware update

[Rich Ring]

Does anyone know what this is?
Haven't got a clue.


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Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived

[Rich Ring]

Indeed it did.  However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case  
whether this adapter is attached or not.

On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote:

>
> Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it?
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>>
>> You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a Mac
>> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
>> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally
>> useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the
>> Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
>> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I am
>> back to square one.
>>
>> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store  
>> or
>> purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not  
>> made
>> by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
>> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the
>> more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in  
>> the
>> long run.
>> At least I got email to work.
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support
>>> and
>>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
>>> external
>>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.  Also, I
>>> learned
>>> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to
>>> get going!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> signature
>>> database 4407 (20090908) __
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived

[Rich Ring]

They won't do it, because I purchased it by phone.  I really wish I  
had been sent the correct adapter.  Hopefully if I visit
  the Apple store, they will be able to furnish me with what I need.
I would really like this to work.
On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi Rich,
>
> We have had confirmation from list members who have both the new
> (March 2009 and later) and old Mac Mini models that using either an
> "Apple DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of older Minis:
> http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9267G/A
> or an "Apple Mini-DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of the newer  
> Minis:
> http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A
> works to solve performance problems of running without a monitor.
>
> There are many examples in the archives that the older adapter works
> for the old (pre-March 2009) Minis.  For the new (March 2009 and
> later) Minis, here's a link to the archived post from Brett Sinnett
> reporting success:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05459.html
>
> An excerpt from his post:
> 
> I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I
> hooked up the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and
> browsed a few pages. Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the
> Mini. Once again, I launched Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It
> appears this adapter still works on the new Mac Minis.
> 
> Note that Apple changed the connector from DVI to Mini-DVI as of the
> March 2009 Mac Mini models.  That's why you have to order the
> connector model that is appropriate for your machine. If your
> connector doesn't fit, it may be that you ordered it for the wrong
> model Mac Mini.  See if you can exchange it at your local Apple Store.
> Cheers,
> Esther
>
> Rich Ring wrote:
>
>>
>> You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a Mac
>> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
>> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally
>> useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the
>> Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
>> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I am
>> back to square one.
>>
>> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store  
>> or
>> purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not  
>> made
>> by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
>> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the
>> more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in  
>> the
>> long run.
>> At least I got email to work.
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support
>>> and
>>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
>>> external
>>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.  Also, I
>>> learned
>>> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to
>>> get going!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> signature
>>> database 4407 (20090908) __
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived

[Rich Ring]

You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a Mac  
Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my  
disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally  
useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the  
Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail  
today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I am  
back to square one.

This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or  
purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not made  
by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My  
advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the  
more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in the  
long run.
At least I got email to work.
On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

>
> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support  
> and
> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi  
> external
> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.  Also, I  
> learned
> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to  
> get going!
>
> Les
>
>
> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus  
> signature
> database 4407 (20090908) __
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
> >


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data decter

[Rich Ring]

I sent this message using a data decter.  Very nice.

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Re: Using Gmail with VoiceOver [was: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job]

[Rich Ring]

Actually, all I have been trying to do is set up a gmail pop account.
No go.
- Original Message - 
From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:32 AM
Subject: Using Gmail with VoiceOver [was: Letting Apple Accessibility know 
when they've done a good job]



On 04/09/2009 21:50, Rich Ring wrote:
> However, with my inability to send and receive email [snip] I am thus far 
> not
> overjoyed with this machine at all.

[snip]

> I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I
> will just stick to Windows for mail right now.

Are you using Gmail's web interface with Safari? If so, here's four
things you might like to try, if you haven't already:

1. Try Gmail's basic HTML view via https://mail.google.com/mail/h .
Instructions at:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=15049

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=64950

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375

2. Try Gmail's standard view, but in Opera 10 instead of Safari.
Download Opera from:

http://www.opera.com/download/

Instructions for using with VoiceOver here:

http://www.iheni.com/using-opera-10-beta-with-voiceover/

3. Try Gmail's basic HTML view again, but with Opera instead of Safari.

4. Use Apple Mail to access your Gmail over IMAP. Instructions here:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81379

The standard web view of Gmail depends on support for an experimental
technology (ARIA) for screen reader access. Safari's support for ARIA is
still rather rudimentary, although Apple are involved in attempts to
standardize how ARIA should work. Opera claims better support for the
ARIA draft specification:

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto22/#aria

As the draft is rather unclear, implementations in Firefox, Internet
Explorer, Opera, and Safari are likely to differ, so your mileage may vary.

You may (or may not) find the "glacial performance" you mentioned on the
web improves with Opera; it's worth a shot.

--
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Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly

[Rich Ring]

Please clarify this message, I am somehow not understanding what you are 
telling me here.  I want to solve this problem if possible, and your help 
would be greatly appreciated.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kieren" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly



Just a quick note that the new 2009 Mac Mini's DO NOT have analog out
so if you ever did want to use the composite out adapter with an older
style TV ie no dvi or HDMI inputs (ike mine ) this adapter will not
work as it relys on the analog signal which no longer exists.

You may be able to get away with the mini DVI to DVI adapter but YMMV.

This all has something to do with the video card in the meini not
knowing what size to default the screen to for a given screen.
In the case of total VI users this is quite annoying.

All the same give it a go and if it works thats great.

Kieren

On Sep 5, 11:13 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> No, you don't need a monitor. What you can do is get the adapter that
> apple sells that will allow you to connect the mini to a TV. I think
> it's around $19, connecting this to the monitor port will make the
> computer think it's connected to a monitor, even if no tv is
> connected. Of course, this issue only happens with the mini, since the
> other macs have screens built in.
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Are you saying I have to purchase a monitor which I can't see in
> > order to
> > use this machine successfully?
> > That's not what I would consider an accessible function.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mac Cougar" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly
>
> > make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the
> > time or most of it anyways.
>
> > Steve
> > On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote:
>
> >> I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it
> >> to the
> >> list. I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading
> >> quite
> >> slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
> >> solution? Are there any settings which need changing?
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Cordially,
> >> Michael Barber


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Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job

[Rich Ring]

I have tried the adapter, but Safari is still basically useless.  I  
have another question, however.
  Whenever I start my Mac, it tries to connect to a secured wireless  
network, and I always have to use the Airport menu to choose the  
network I want.  Is there any way I can get the Mac to connect to my  
home network automatically?On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:58 PM, dannyboy wrote:

>
> You may only need the adaptor that came with your mac mini, and not a
> monitor itself.
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>>
>> I happen to be a member of the NFB.  However, when I read that
>> horrible
>> article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a
>> Mac and
>> attempt to learn it.  I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and
>> I wanted
>> to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect
>> have
>> said it is a great platform.  However, with my inability to send and
>> receive
>> email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus
>> far not
>> overjoyed with this machine at all.  If I had known, for example,
>> that I
>> would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go
>> with my
>> Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book.  One of  
>> the
>> reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny
>> footprint.  But
>> if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything.
>> I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and
>> therefore I
>> will just stick to Windows for mail right now.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Justin Harford" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a
>> good job
>>
>>
>>
>> Howdy
>> El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió:
>>
>>> Also, Lets be grateful that
>>> NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL.
>>
>> Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs!
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: male in snowleopard and gmail

[Rich Ring]

I got mail to work.  However, it is using imap not pop.

On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

>
> You shouldn't have to buy a monitor. A monitor adaptor plugged into
> your mini should help. I think that's the trick that most of the
> listers who have a mac mini have used. So don't worry.
>
> Best wishes, Simon
> On 4 Sep 2009, at 18:35, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>>
>> I am experiencing the same problem, I set up a gmail account under
>> SL and
>> the settings are correct, but it will not send or receive.  Also,  
>> on a
>> completely different subject, I purchased a Mac Mini last Saturday
>> so that I
>> could learn to use and appreciate the Mac.  Web pages download so
>> slowly
>> that it makes the machine impractical to use.  I am now being told
>> that in
>> order to fix this problem I'm going to have to purchase a monitor.
>> That's
>> insane!
>> Windows may be bad, but I can use a Windows machine without a
>> monitor, and I
>> can send and receive email on one as well.
>> I am just a bit frustrated with my Mac experience right now.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "matthew Campbell" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: male in snowleopard and gmail
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't do sending or receiving. It's real weird.
>>
>> On 9/4/09, Jessi and Goldina  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL
>>> and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got
>>> fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set
>>> up
>>> my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other  
>>> wouldn't.
>>> I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the "mail"
>>> folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like
>>> I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and
>>> made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they
>>> eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can  
>>> get
>>> yours fixed!!
>>> Jessi and Goldina
>>> On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my
>>>> accounts. They aren't working.
>>>> I've tried re adding them but nothing works.
>>>> Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4?
>>>> Any help would be awesome.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job

[Rich Ring]

I happen to be a member of the NFB.  However, when I read that horrible 
article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a Mac and 
attempt to learn it.  I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and I wanted 
to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect have 
said it is a great platform.  However, with my inability to send and receive 
email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus far not 
overjoyed with this machine at all.  If I had known, for example, that I 
would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go with my 
Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book.  One of the 
reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny footprint.  But 
if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything.
I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I 
will just stick to Windows for mail right now.
- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Harford" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job



Howdy
El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió:

> Also, Lets be grateful that
> NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL.

Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs!

Justin


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Re: male in snowleopard and gmail

[Rich Ring]

I am experiencing the same problem, I set up a gmail account under SL and 
the settings are correct, but it will not send or receive.  Also, on a 
completely different subject, I purchased a Mac Mini last Saturday so that I 
could learn to use and appreciate the Mac.  Web pages download so slowly 
that it makes the machine impractical to use.  I am now being told that in 
order to fix this problem I'm going to have to purchase a monitor.  That's 
insane!
Windows may be bad, but I can use a Windows machine without a monitor, and I 
can send and receive email on one as well.
I am just a bit frustrated with my Mac experience right now.

- Original Message - 
From: "matthew Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: male in snowleopard and gmail



Can't do sending or receiving. It's real weird.

On 9/4/09, Jessi and Goldina  wrote:
>
> I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL
> and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got
> fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set up
> my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other wouldn't.
> I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the "mail"
> folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like
> I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and
> made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they
> eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can get
> yours fixed!!
> Jessi and Goldina
> On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my
>> accounts. They aren't working.
>> I've tried re adding them but nothing works.
>> Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4?
>> Any help would be awesome.
>>
>> >
>
>
> >
>



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Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly

[Rich Ring]

Are you saying I have to purchase a monitor which I can't see in order to 
use this machine successfully?
That's not what I would consider an accessible function.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mac Cougar" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly



make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the
time or most of it anyways.

Steve
On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote:

>
> I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it
> to the
> list.  I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading
> quite
> slowly.  Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
> solution?  Are there any settings which need changing?
> Thanks.
>
> Cordially,
> Michael Barber
>
>
> >




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