Re: Mac feel natural
Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
*Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't feel like second nature yet. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: > Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, > therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the > decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from > consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work > for you just as you did with the PC at one time. > > On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving >> my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still >> using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, >> and I think I really should go on my Mac. >> >> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the >> Mac felt second nature? >> >> Thanks, >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
Hi: You need to stop using your PC. It is a crutch to learning how to use the Mac. Just use it. That is what I did. On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: > *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old > laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny > thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't > feel like second nature yet. > > Thanks, > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: > >> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making >> the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from >> consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work >> for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >> >> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving >>> my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still >>> using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, >>> and I think I really should go on my Mac. >>> >>> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >>> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the >>> Mac felt second nature? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Traci >>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
hi When I first bought my mac a couple of years ago, I remember using both Operating systems for a while. Untill my Windows PC crashed. Then I didn't have much of a choice. LOL! It's ok to use both. If you enjoy the experience, you probably will most likely keep coming back to it. Take your time. Have fun with it! And tell others about your experience. Sent from my MBP On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: > *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old > laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny > thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't > feel like second nature yet. > > Thanks, > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: > >> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making >> the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from >> consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work >> for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >> >> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving >>> my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still >>> using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, >>> and I think I really should go on my Mac. >>> >>> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >>> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the >>> Mac felt second nature? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Traci >>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
Tracy the fact of the matter is the Mac will never feel natural until you decide to put your windows machine away for a while. Trying to use both is not allowing yourself to fully experience and learn the Mac environment. Regardless of the advice others give you it will always come back to you actively deciding that you are going to use the Mac. Before I switched to the Mac I used Linux and I was very comfortable with the environment I lived in. Once I made the decision I was going to move my e-mail and so forth to the Mac, I was forced to make use of it. THe other thing is that everyone learns differently and thus it may take you a little longer to pick things up. Perhaps some things will come to you more quickly, but again it will all depend on committing to it. That really is the best advice I can give you. On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Traci wrote: > Hi all, > > What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my > Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my > ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think > I really should go on my Mac. > > :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows > laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt > second nature? > > Thanks, > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't feel like second nature yet. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
Thanks for the replies. I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting use to surfing with VO and Mac. Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube experience hands down! I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is > getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max > On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: > >> *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old >> laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny >> thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't >> feel like second nature yet. >> >> Thanks, >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: >> >>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >>> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making >>> the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from >>> consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work >>> for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >>> >>> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
Traci, Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But only if you *have* to. That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved since then. Sent from my MBP On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > > I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a > huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting use > to surfing with VO and Mac. > > Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural > soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube > experience hands down! > > I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. > > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is >> getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: >> >>> *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old >>> laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny >>> thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't >>> feel like second nature yet. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Traci >>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: >>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: > > Hi all, > > What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm > loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm > still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 > days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. > > :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the > windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before > the Mac felt second nature? > > Thanks, > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Mac feel natural
I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just isn't my primary goto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On the bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just not in love with it, if that makes sense. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac feel natural Traci, Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But only if you *have* to. That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved since then. Sent from my MBP On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: Thanks for the replies. I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting use to surfing with VO and Mac. Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube experience hands down! I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't feel like second nature yet. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Mac feel natural
Second that. When my Windows machine crashed & it just wasn't worth repairing the component that fried, all of a sudden the Mac got a lot more friendly…*grin* And after 6 or so months, I realized it was feeling pretty natural &, while occasionally I'm frustrated by some of Mac's quirky little anomalies, I'm good to go. Anyway, good luck & happy Thanksgiving, as for me I'm off to get a new guide dog with my Mac in hand this Sunday, CJ On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: > Hi: > You need to stop using your PC. It is a crutch to learning how to use the > Mac. Just use it. That is what I did. > On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: > >> *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old >> laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny >> thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't >> feel like second nature yet. >> >> Thanks, >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: >> >>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >>> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making >>> the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from >>> consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work >>> for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >>> >>> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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*Smile,* and maybe I need to be patient. I used windows and window eyes for 10 years. I've been using the Mac for 3 Months. I was just on petfinders website, and boy, Mac and VO didn't seem to like that site at all! Missy, do you mean you like iTunes on windows better, or you aren't really into iTunes as a whole? Have you tried Bean as a text editor? And as a side note: CJ, congratulations on the new guide dog, what a brilliant way to bring in the holidays! Traci - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:02 AM Subject: RE: Mac feel natural I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just isn't my primary goto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On the bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just not in love with it, if that makes sense. -- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac feel natural Traci, Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But only if you *have* to. That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved since then. Sent from my MBP On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: Thanks for the replies. I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting use to surfing with VO and Mac. Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube experience hands down! I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't feel like second nature yet. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th
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One of the major problems folks coming over from Windows have is they spend too much time expecting the Mac to behave and BE like their Windows machine as if they are just replacing one screen reader with another. This constant expectation increases ones frustration and only harms the learning process. Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way, and the more you battle that mindset, the less natural the Mac seems. The biggest thing I continually recommend to people I train is to completely stop thinking Windows and their Windows screen reader and to focus on learning OS X and VoiceOver. In six years now of having switched to the Mac, but still using Windows just to remind myself what I am not missing, I can tell you first hand that the Mac feels completely natural and I am so thankful for Apple every time I fire up my Windows PC and deal with the nonsense of that backwards operating system. The only task that I have found that I can't do as "well" from my Windows days is mudding, but I can deal with that in Terminal. I don't mud as much as I did, so I can tolerate not having a full fledged mud client. However, it would be nice if one could be found that works with VoiceOver as well as gmud or zmud does. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff > I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed > with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get > changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's not > a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just isn't > my primary goto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few times a > week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is fully > up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose is a > good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On the > bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something > catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until > finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion > or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I > can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. > So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say > that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just not > in love with it, if that makes sense. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mac feel natural > > Traci, > Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But > only if you *have* to. > That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of > times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." > Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved > since then. > > Sent from my MBP > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a >> huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting >> use to surfing with VO and Mac. >> >> Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural >> soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube >> experience hands down! >> >> I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. >> >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >>> if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is >>> getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max >>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: >>> >>>> *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the >>>> old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The >>>> funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just >>>> doesn't feel like second nature yet. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Traci >>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>>> >>>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: >>>&
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Can you ever say that again John! I'm with you all the way; as, I believe, most of us here are. I've been on my Mac for a mere three years; and yet, I feel it's an extention of my very self. I never felt that with clunky unstable crash my lap top all the time windows! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:22 PM, John Panarese wrote: > One of the major problems folks coming over from Windows have is they spend > too much time expecting the Mac to behave and BE like their Windows machine > as if they are just replacing one screen reader with another. This constant > expectation increases ones frustration and only harms the learning process. > > Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way, and the more you battle that > mindset, the less natural the Mac seems. The biggest thing I continually > recommend to people I train is to completely stop thinking Windows and their > Windows screen reader and to focus on learning OS X and VoiceOver. > > In six years now of having switched to the Mac, but still using Windows > just to remind myself what I am not missing, I can tell you first hand that > the Mac feels completely natural and I am so thankful for Apple every time I > fire up my Windows PC and deal with the nonsense of that backwards operating > system. > >The only task that I have found that I can't do as "well" from my Windows > days is mudding, but I can deal with that in Terminal. I don't mud as much > as I did, so I can tolerate not having a full fledged mud client. However, > it would be nice if one could be found that works with VoiceOver as well as > gmud or zmud does. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff >> I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed >> with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get >> changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's >> not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just >> isn't my primary goto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few >> times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is >> fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose >> is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On >> the bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something >> catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until >> finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion >> or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I >> can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. >> So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say >> that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just >> not in love with it, if that makes sense. >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >> >> Traci, >> Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But >> only if you *have* to. >> That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of >> times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." >> Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has >> improved since then. >> >> Sent from my MBP >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the replies. >>> >>> I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a >>> huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting >>> use to surfing with VO and Mac. >>> >>> Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural >>> soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube >>> experience hands down! >>> >>> I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. >>> >>> Traci >>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >&g
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I know right? I switched back in 2009. December 1 2011 will mark 2 years that I've been using the Mac. Pretty awesome stuff I'd say. LOL only a few people know the story of how I actually became a Mac user. Its funny, and a bit in sane. Hahaha! Sent from my MBP On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Can you ever say that again John! I'm with you all the way; as, I believe, > most of us here are. I've been on my Mac for a mere three years; and yet, I > feel it's an extention of my very self. I never felt that with clunky > unstable crash my lap top all the time windows! > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:22 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> One of the major problems folks coming over from Windows have is they >> spend too much time expecting the Mac to behave and BE like their Windows >> machine as if they are just replacing one screen reader with another. This >> constant expectation increases ones frustration and only harms the learning >> process. >> >> Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way, and the more you battle that >> mindset, the less natural the Mac seems. The biggest thing I continually >> recommend to people I train is to completely stop thinking Windows and their >> Windows screen reader and to focus on learning OS X and VoiceOver. >> >> In six years now of having switched to the Mac, but still using Windows >> just to remind myself what I am not missing, I can tell you first hand that >> the Mac feels completely natural and I am so thankful for Apple every time I >> fire up my Windows PC and deal with the nonsense of that backwards operating >> system. >> >>The only task that I have found that I can't do as "well" from my Windows >> days is mudding, but I can deal with that in Terminal. I don't mud as much >> as I did, so I can tolerate not having a full fledged mud client. However, >> it would be nice if one could be found that works with VoiceOver as well as >> gmud or zmud does. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >>> I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the >>> stuff I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely >>> impressed with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my >>> fonts get changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing >>> something, it's not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another >>> reason the mac just isn't my primary goto computer. However, I do find >>> myself using it a few times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure >>> that its software is fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a >>> little, which I suppose is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become >>> a complete apple-head. On the bright side, I think I'm to the point where >>> if, God forbid, something catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least >>> function with the mac until finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. >>> I think that using VM fusion or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more >>> time on my macbook, but since I can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm >>> just not to that point yet. >>> So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to >>> say that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am >>> just not in love with it, if that makes sense. >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>> >>> Traci, >>> Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But >>> only if you *have* to. >>> That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of >>> times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." >>> Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has >>> improved since then. >>> >>> Sent from my MBP >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 1
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Hi! I've never tried bean; never even heard of it. As for itunes, I won't let it anywhere near my windows system, but on the mac, I am starting to like it a bit. All I'm looking for is a simple word processor that will actually remember and use my default choice of fonts. if it can open word documents, great, but for the most part, at least while I'm not working, text files are almost always adequate. I just wish I knew what I was doing wrong with the mud client that's supposed to be accessible. it doesn't talk at all. Missy _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac feel natural *Smile,* and maybe I need to be patient. I used windows and window eyes for 10 years. I've been using the Mac for 3 Months. I was just on petfinders website, and boy, Mac and VO didn't seem to like that site at all! Missy, do you mean you like iTunes on windows better, or you aren't really into iTunes as a whole? Have you tried Bean as a text editor? And as a side note: CJ, congratulations on the new guide dog, what a brilliant way to bring in the holidays! Traci - Original Message - From: Missy Hoppe <mailto:melis...@fuse.net> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:02 AM Subject: RE: Mac feel natural I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just isn't my primary goto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On the bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just not in love with it, if that makes sense. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac feel natural Traci, Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But only if you *have* to. That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved since then. Sent from my MBP On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: Thanks for the replies. I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting use to surfing with VO and Mac. Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube experience hands down! I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't feel like second nature yet. Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience fee
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Traci, Thanks for the sentiments. I'm looking forward to the new pup, but this Sunday, when I go to GDA, will be tough. When I get to LAX, I'm meeting my current guide's puppy raiser to retire him. Not looking forward to that or to being away from my wife & family. However, when I get that new furry Golden Retriever bundle in my hands, I'm pretty sure I'll get glad again. As I explained to my wife, who is sighted & pretty distraught over the Shepherds retirement too, it's just part of the deal for a blind person who chooses to work with a guide. It's been tough, because the shepherd is retiring early due to Dry Eye Disease. Anyway, I digress & this is way off topic. I guess I'm just excited. Happy Thanksgiving to all, CJ On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Traci wrote: > *Smile,* and maybe I need to be patient. I used windows and window eyes for > 10 years. I've been using the Mac for 3 Months. > > I was just on petfinders website, and boy, Mac and VO didn't seem to like > that site at all! > > Missy, do you mean you like iTunes on windows better, or you aren't really > into iTunes as a whole? > > Have you tried Bean as a text editor? > > And as a side note: CJ, congratulations on the new guide dog, what a > brilliant way to bring in the holidays! > > Traci > > > > - Original Message ----- > From: Missy Hoppe > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:02 AM > Subject: RE: Mac feel natural > > I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff > I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed > with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get > changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's not > a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just isn't > my primary goto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few times a > week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is fully > up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose is a > good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On the > bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something > catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until > finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion > or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I > can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. > So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say > that I think I'vecome pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just > not in love with it, if that makes sense. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mac feel natural > > Traci, > Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But > only if you *have* to. > That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of > times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." > Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved > since then. > > Sent from my MBP > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a >> huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting >> use to surfing with VO and Mac. >> >> Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural >> soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube >> experience hands down! >> >> I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. >> >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >>> if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is >>> getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max >>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: >>> >>>> *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the >>>> old laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The >>>> funny thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just
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The way it worked for me was this: I got my new Mac and played a game with myself. The scenario was that this was my computer and I was going to learn to use it. I imagined being in a foreign country and learning the culture and language, telling myself I wouldn't get anything done unless I did it this way. It worked for me. Now I know that when I need to get a new computer, it'll be a Mac. I'm definitely a "switcher". :) Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > Hi! I've never tried bean; never even heard of it. As for itunes, I won't let > it anywhere near my windows system, but on the mac, I am starting to like it > a bit. All I'm looking for is a simple word processor that will actually > remember and use my default choice of fonts. if it can open word documents, > great, but for the most part, at least while I'm not working, text files are > almost always adequate. I just wish I knew what I was doing wrong with the > mud client that's supposed to be accessible. it doesn't talk at all. > Missy > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:16 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mac feel natural > > *Smile,* and maybe I need to be patient. I used windows and window eyes for > 10 years. I've been using the Mac for 3 Months. > > I was just on petfinders website, and boy, Mac and VO didn't seem to like > that site at all! > > Missy, do you mean you like iTunes on windows better, or you aren't really > into iTunes as a whole? > > Have you tried Bean as a text editor? > > And as a side note: CJ, congratulations on the new guide dog, what a > brilliant way to bring in the holidays! > > Traci > > > > - Original Message - > From: Missy Hoppe > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:02 AM > Subject: RE: Mac feel natural > > I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the stuff > I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely impressed > with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my fonts get > changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing something, it's not > a realistic mudding environment, so that's another reason the mac just isn't > my primarygoto computer. However, I do find myself using it a few times a > week, if for no other reason than to ensure that its software is fully > up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a little, which I suppose is a > good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become a complete apple-head. On the > bright side, I think I'm to the point where if, God forbid, something > catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least function with the mac until > finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. I think that using VM fusion > or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more time on my macbook, but since I > can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm just not to that point yet. > So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to say > that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am just not > in love with it, if that makes sense. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mac feel natural > > Traci, > Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this way. Use windows. But > only if you *have* to. > That's what I meant by its ok to use both. Because there were a couple of > times where i just, 'didn't quite get it." > Of course, i was also running Mac OS X Leopard at the time. Much has improved > since then. > > Sent from my MBP > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a >> huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting >> use to surfing with VO and Mac. >> >> Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural >> soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube >> experience hands down! >> >> I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. >> >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> On Nov 23, 201
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Traci, I couldn't agree more with you. Even I love my Mac, but I keep going back to my Windows laptop, which doesn't even work without a charger because of some issues with the battery. I don't even want to get the battery changed, because I keep telling myself that I will soon start using my Mac, so I will just be wasting my money for getting the battery changed. I particularly love using Skype on my Mac. But I keep returning to my Windows laptop because I still prefer JAWS for reading books, and also because VO doesn't work very well with Facebook. But the good thing is that I'm presently at least using my Mac more than I used to. So, hopefully, I'll slowly get used to it. Cheers, RB On 24/11/2011, Teresa Cochran wrote: > The way it worked for me was this: I got my new Mac and played a game with > myself. The scenario was that this was my computer and I was going to learn > to use it. I imagined being in a foreign country and learning the culture > and language, telling myself I wouldn't get anything done unless I did it > this way. It worked for me. Now I know that when I need to get a new > computer, it'll be a Mac. I'm definitely a "switcher". :) > > Teresa > > I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> Hi! I've never tried bean; never even heard of it. As for itunes, I won't >> let it anywhere near my windows system, but on the mac, I am starting to >> like it a bit. All I'm looking for is a simple word processor that will >> actually remember and use my default choice of fonts. if it can open word >> documents, great, but for the most part, at least while I'm not working, >> text files are almost always adequate. I just wish I knew what I was doing >> wrong with the mud client that's supposed to be accessible. it doesn't >> talk at all. >> Missy >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:16 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >> >> *Smile,* and maybe I need to be patient. I used windows and window eyes >> for 10 years. I've been using the Mac for 3 Months. >> >> I was just on petfinders website, and boy, Mac and VO didn't seem to like >> that site at all! >> >> Missy, do you mean you like iTunes on windows better, or you aren't really >> into iTunes as a whole? >> >> Have you tried Bean as a text editor? >> >> And as a side note: CJ, congratulations on the new guide dog, what a >> brilliant way to bring in the holidays! >> >> Traci >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Missy Hoppe >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:02 AM >> Subject: RE: Mac feel natural >> >> I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the >> stuff I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely >> impressed with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my >> fonts get changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing >> something, it's not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another >> reason the mac just isn't my primarygoto computer. However, I do find >> myself using it a few times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure >> that its software is fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a >> little, which I suppose is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become >> a complete apple-head. On the bright side, I think I'm to the point where >> if, God forbid, something catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least >> function with the mac until finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. >> I think that using VM fusion or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more >> time on my macbook, but since I can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm >> just not to that point yet. >> So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to >> say that I think I've come pretty far with it since buying it in May; am >> just not in love with it, if that makes sense. >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chad King >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:54 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >> >> Traci, >> Indeed! It is an amazing experience. I'll put it this w
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Hi, When I started using the mac, I knew nothing about it. I had a friend in another city that told me sort of how to use the e-mail client and that was pretty much it. I had a hard time with Safari. It just wasn't clicking for me. It wasn't at all like windows and I couldn't get that concept rapped around my brain but it can be done. One day it will click and you'll just get it. Just keep making yourself using it and don't keep saying, "if I can do it on windows I should be able to do it like that on the Mac," it doesn't work that way. Feel free to ask the list any questions you may have. We're all here for you. Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Traci wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > > I think my biggest thing is surfing the net. Reading and researching is a > huge part of the computer experience for me, and it is slow going getting use > to surfing with VO and Mac. > > Maybe like you guys say, it'll take time. Hopefully it'll all feel natural > soon. There is so much I'm loving about the Mac. It is the best you tube > experience hands down! > > I'm prefering iTunes on the Mac as well. Lol, and so much more. > > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> if it makes you feel any better, my friends that use windows tell me it is >> getting more and more like apple all the time. take care, max >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Traci wrote: >> >>> *Grin,* I thought that might be the popular response. I should put the old >>> laptop upstairs or something and force myself to use the Mac. The funny >>> thing is, every time I use the Mac, I enjoy the experience, it just doesn't >>> feel like second nature yet. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Traci >>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Paul Mimms wrote: >>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: > > Hi all, > > What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm > loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm > still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 > days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. > > :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the > windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before > the Mac felt second nature? > > Thanks, > Traci > Sent by Macbook Air Mail > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribe
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Hi Tracy: I can't add much to what has been said here. I have been using my Mac for a few months, and, I use it for most of the things I do. There are a couple things I'll go into Windows or Linux to do sometimes, but, I am getting a pretty good feel for the Mac. Sometimes, when I'm on my wife's laptop to help her with some issue, I find myself wanting to use VoiceOver keystrokes, which, of course, don't work. I know I'm getting the hang of it, she, I have to think back and say, what was that Windows keystroke? On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Chad King wrote: > I know right? > I switched back in 2009. > December 1 2011 will mark 2 years that I've been using the Mac. > Pretty awesome stuff I'd say. LOL only a few people know the story of how I > actually became a Mac user. > Its funny, and a bit in sane. Hahaha! > Sent from my MBP > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Can you ever say that again John! I'm with you all the way; as, I believe, >> most of us here are. I've been on my Mac for a mere three years; and yet, I >> feel it's an extention of my very self. I never felt that with clunky >> unstable crash my lap top all the time windows! >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:22 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> One of the major problems folks coming over from Windows have is they >>> spend too much time expecting the Mac to behave and BE like their Windows >>> machine as if they are just replacing one screen reader with another. >>> This constant expectation increases ones frustration and only harms the >>> learning process. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way, and the more you battle that >>> mindset, the less natural the Mac seems. The biggest thing I continually >>> recommend to people I train is to completely stop thinking Windows and >>> their Windows screen reader and to focus on learning OS X and VoiceOver. >>> >>> In six years now of having switched to the Mac, but still using Windows >>> just to remind myself what I am not missing, I can tell you first hand that >>> the Mac feels completely natural and I am so thankful for Apple every time >>> I fire up my Windows PC and deal with the nonsense of that backwards >>> operating system. >>> >>>The only task that I have found that I can't do as "well" from my >>> Windows days is mudding, but I can deal with that in Terminal. I don't mud >>> as much as I did, so I can tolerate not having a full fledged mud client. >>> However, it would be nice if one could be found that works with VoiceOver >>> as well as gmud or zmud does. >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John Panarese >>> jpanar...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>> >>>> I'd love for the mac to some day feel natural, but so far, most of the >>>> stuff I like doing just works better on the PC. I'm still not entirely >>>> impressed with text edit or pages for word processing; don't like that my >>>> fonts get changed, etc. I've tried atlantis, but unless I'm missing >>>> something, it's not a realistic mudding environment, so that's another >>>> reason the mac just isn't my primary goto computer. However, I do find >>>> myself using it a few times a week, if for no other reason than to ensure >>>> that its software is fully up-to-date. Itunes is starting to grow on me a >>>> little, which I suppose is a good thing, but I'm not sure I'll ever become >>>> a complete apple-head. On the bright side, I think I'm to the point where >>>> if, God forbid, something catastrophic happened to my PC, I could at least >>>> function with the mac until finances permitted for me to get the pc fixed. >>>> I think that using VM fusion or bootcamp would make me spend a lot more >>>> time on my macbook, but since I can't afford to buy windows for it, I'm >>>> just not to that point yet. >>>> So, I don't know if/when the mac will feel natural for me, but I have to >>>> say that I think I've come pretty far
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Traci, the way I did it was to force myself to do everything I needed to do on the Mac and stay away from Windows. No matter how tempting it was, I didn't allow myself to use Windows at all While I was learning to use the Mac. Mary On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul Mimms wrote: > Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with using, > therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the > decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from > consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work > for you just as you did with the PC at one time. > > On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving >> my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still >> using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, >> and I think I really should go on my Mac. >> >> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the >> Mac felt second nature? >> >> Thanks, >> Traci >> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi, I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going to go back to windblows again. It took me a weekend to set it up and once done, i left windblows behind and have never looked back since. Ok, i've got a vm with XP and one with 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only things i use windblows for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope there'll be mac versions of them too so i finally can ditch windblows alltogether. I can only agree with what others have said here, use the mac as much as possible, especially when you learn it. That will make the experience easier. /Krister 24 nov 2011 kl. 03:16 skrev Mary: > Traci, > > the way I did it was to force myself to do everything I needed to do on the > Mac and stay away from Windows. No matter how tempting it was, I didn't > allow myself to use Windows at all While I was learning to use the Mac. > > Mary > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul Mimms wrote: > >> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making >> the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from >> consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work >> for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >> >> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving >>> my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still >>> using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, >>> and I think I really should go on my Mac. >>> >>> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >>> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the >>> Mac felt second nature? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Traci >>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple of months but I have used it everyday. I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to stop using Windows completely. I have been using Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and Vista at home as well. I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is simply knowing what keystroke to press without having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to think through what the key stroke is. I have used the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows machine out of reach for while to force yourself then sure, why not. For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And I would be really happy if I never had to hear busy busy busy busy again. NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader and it is free. I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. Garth twitter.com/blindtechmusing , On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going to go > back to windblows again. It took me a weekend to set it up and once done, i > left windblows behind and have never looked back since. Ok, i've got a vm > with XP and one with 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only > things i use windblows for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope > there'll be mac versions of them too so i finally can ditch windblows > alltogether. > I can only agree with what others have said here, use the mac as much as > possible, especially when you learn it. That will make the experience easier. > /Krister > > 24 nov 2011 kl. 03:16 skrev Mary: > >> Traci, >> >> the way I did it was to force myself to do everything I needed to do on the >> Mac and stay away from Windows. No matter how tempting it was, I didn't >> allow myself to use Windows at all While I was learning to use the Mac. >> >> Mary >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul Mimms wrote: >> >>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >>> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making >>> the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from >>> consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work >>> for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >>> >>> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: Hi all, What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really should go on my Mac. :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? Thanks, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.co
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I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; have caught myself trying to use them on the PC recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex considering the task trying to be accomplished. I wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently where there were 4-5 steps, including interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a few times a week, but unless I can find a better word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac feel natural Hi I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple of months but I have used it everyday. I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to stop using Windows completely. I have been using Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and Vista at home as well. I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is simply knowing what keystroke to press without having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to think through what the key stroke is. I have used the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows machine out of reach for while to force yourself then sure, why not. For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And I would be really happy if I never had to hear busy busy busy busy again. NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader and it is free. I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. Garth twitter.com/blindtechmusing , On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going to go > back to windblows again. It took me a weekend to set it up and once done, i left windblows behind and have never looked back since. Ok, i've got a vm with XP and one with 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only things i use windblows for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope there'll be mac versions of them too so i finally can ditch windblows alltogether. > I can only agree with what others have said here, use the mac as much as > possible, especially when you learn it. That will make the experience easier. > /Krister > > 24 nov 2011 kl. 03:16 skrev Mary: > >> Traci, >> >> the way I did it was to force myself to do everything I needed to do on the >> Mac and stay away from Windows. No matter how tempting it was, I didn't allow myself to use Windows at all While I was learning to use the Mac. >> >> Mary >> >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul Mimms wrote: >> >>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >>> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC and remove the PC from consideration. Make the MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did with the PC at one time. >>> >>> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I
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Hi all, Well I just got my first MBP June 18, 2011. Between taking care of income property and working a job, an advocation, and a vocation with no vacation coming up soon enough, I'm still learning slowly but surely whoever surely may be. All I can say is that the folks on this list are patient and very helpful. I have even learned just enough to actually help with some basics folks may have questions about. Just don't give up on it. The Apple platform is the most stable platform there is. As for Windows, it unfortunately is still necessary for me to use at the job I mentioned. And even though we are inclined to get used to the general quirkiness of your friendly neighborhood screenreader with your unfriendly neighborhood Windows platform, like getting used to driving on the other side of the road, after a few bumps and dings and crackups, you and I both can learn to love loving it more and more each day. Johnny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac feel natural
Hi Missy I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way that I did before buying my MBA. Garth On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; have > caught myself trying to use them on the PC > recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize them, > which usually isn't a problem for me. I just > can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for > the mac, and there are a lot of instances where > things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I don't > always know when interracting is mandatory, and > I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex > considering the task trying to be accomplished. I > wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently > where there were 4-5 steps, including > interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the > task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under > windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a > few times a week, but unless I can find a better > word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I > don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Mac feel natural > > Hi > > I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac > for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple > of months but I have used it everyday. > > I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to > stop using Windows completely. I have been using > Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and > Vista at home as well. > > I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just practice > and to a degree muscle memory. There are > obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is > simply knowing what keystroke to press without > having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to > achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more > complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is > necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is > likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. > When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to > think through what the key stroke is. I have used > the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. > > In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows > machine out of reach for while to force yourself > then sure, why not. > > For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the > physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a > lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no > replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word > with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And I > would be really happy if I never had to hear busy > busy busy busy again. > > NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader and > it is free. > > I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. > > Garth > > twitter.com/blindtechmusing > > , > On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going to go >> back to windblows again. It took me a weekend > to set it up and once done, i left windblows behind and have never looked > back since. Ok, i've got a vm with XP and one with > 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only things i use windblows > for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope > there'll be mac versions of them too so i finally can ditc
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Hi, I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some examples of this. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > Hi Missy > > I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word > processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great > compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. > > Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought then > they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a blind > user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. > > I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like using > it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. Especially > given that potential new users watch this list in the same way that I did > before buying my MBA. > > Garth > > > On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; have >> caught myself trying to use them on the PC >> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for >> the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I don't >> always know when interracting is mandatory, and >> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently >> where there were 4-5 steps, including >> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a >> few times a week, but unless I can find a better >> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I >> don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >> >> Hi >> >> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac >> for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >> of months but I have used it everyday. >> >> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to >> stop using Windows completely. I have been using >> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and >> Vista at home as well. >> >> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just practice >> and to a degree muscle memory. There are >> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is >> simply knowing what keystroke to press without >> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to >> achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is >> necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to >> think through what the key stroke is. I have used >> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >> >> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows >> machine out of reach for while to force yourself >> then sure, why not. >> >> For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the >> physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a >> lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no >> replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word >> with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And I >> would be really happy if I never had to hear busy >> busy busy busy again. >> >> NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader and >> it is free. >> >> I do
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I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have been using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard commands are an afterthought. On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after > thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some > examples of this. > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> Hi Missy >> >> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. >> >> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought >> then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a >> blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. >> >> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way >> that I did before buying my MBA. >> >> Garth >> >> >> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for >>> the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently >>> where there were 4-5 steps, including >>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >>> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a >>> few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I >>> don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac >>> for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>> >>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to >>> stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and >>> Vista at home as well. >>> >>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is >>> simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to >>> achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >>> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is >>> necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >>> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >>> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to >>> think through what the key stroke is. I have used >>> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >>> >>> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows >>> machine out of reach for while to force yourself >>> then sure, why not. >>> >>> For me pe
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Okay I don't want to add to the debate however I'm just curious how many keyboard commands are there on a mac compare to windows? Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'Day, Mates) Louie P. "Pete" Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda/ http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda Scott Howell wrote: I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have been using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard commands are an afterthought. On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after > thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some > examples of this. > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> Hi Missy >> >> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. >> >> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought >> then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a >> blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. >> >> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way >> that I did before buying my MBA. >> >> Garth >> >> >> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for >>> the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently >>> where there were 4-5 steps, including >>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >>> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a >>> few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I >>> don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac >>> for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>> >>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to >>> stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and >>> Vista at home as well. >>> >>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is >>> simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to >>> achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >>> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is >>> necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >>> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >>> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to >>>
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Right, If one is comparing VO commands to those of screen readers on windows, I might be able to see the other side of the equation. But, I think the Mac OSX commands are well thought out, and are very versatile. Hey, they are even customizable to a extent via keyboard shortcuts. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Nov 25, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have been > using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard commands > are an afterthought. > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after >> thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some >> examples of this. >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> Hi Missy >>> >>> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >>> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >>> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. >>> >>> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought >>> then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a >>> blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. >>> >>> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >>> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >>> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way >>> that I did before buying my MBA. >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> >>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options >>>> for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >>>> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least >>>> a few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, >>>> I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your >>>> mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>>> >>>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need >>>> to stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and >>>> Vista at home as well. >>>> >>>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable >>>> is simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keyst
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gt; Garth >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>>>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>>>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options >>>>> for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>>>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever >>>>> the task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least >>>>> a few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>>>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, >>>>> I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your >>>>> mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>>>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>>>> >>>>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need >>>>> to stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>>>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 >>>>> and Vista at home as well. >>>>> >>>>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>>>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>>>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable >>>>> is simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>>>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke >>>>> to achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >>>>> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it >>>>> is necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >>>>> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >>>>> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have >>>>> to think through what the key stroke is. I have used >>>>> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >>>>> >>>>> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows >>>>> machine out of reach for while to force yourself >>>>> then sure, why not. >>>>> >>>>> For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the >>>>> physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a >>>>> lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no >>>>> replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word >>>>> with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And >>>>> I would be really happy if I never had to hear busy >>>>> busy busy busy again. >>>>> >>>>> NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader >>>>> and it is free. >>>>> >>>>> I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> >>>>> twitter.com/blindtechmusing >>>>> >>>>> , >>>>> On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM
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Hi Ricardo and Scott Sorry this is just an impression I have. I will explain a little further what I mean, and let me also say that I acknowledge that as a new mac user I probably don't really know what I am talking about. It is things like bringing up a context menu. There is obviously the 4 finger VO way to do this. Is there any keyboard only way of doing this other then the VO one? Under windows there is a specific key for this as well as at least one other 2 finger keyboard shortcut. I get the impression that a lot of the UI in OSX is designed to be interacted with by using a mouse or now the track pad primarily. This is obviously the same with windows but in windows I think that you would be more likely to be able to find a keystroke which would accomplish the task you wanted. VO seems to have to overcome the lack of a native keyboard shortcut and it often seems that there are a lot of steps that are needed to get the job done. Not to mention the number of keys that make up some of the shortcuts. There has been a strong history of supporting keyboard shortcuts under windows. I read recently somewhere, possibly in the Steve Jobs biography, that at one time he wanted to get rid of arrow keys on his keyboards altogether. I think Pages is probably a lot more efficient to use if you are able to see and can use the mouse. Under word you can achieve heaps with simple keyboard shortcuts. Anyway as I said these are just the impressions of a new mac user. Garth On 25/11/2011, at 9:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have been > using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard commands > are an afterthought. > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after >> thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some >> examples of this. >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> Hi Missy >>> >>> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >>> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >>> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. >>> >>> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought >>> then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a >>> blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. >>> >>> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >>> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >>> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way >>> that I did before buying my MBA. >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> >>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options >>>> for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >>>> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least >>>> a few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, >>>> I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>>> Sent: Thursday, November
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Hello Garth, There are vast numbers of keyboard shortcuts that have nothing to do with VoiceOver. To get a contextual menu, hold down the Control key and click with the mouse or trackpad; To get to the Apple menu, press Ctrl-F2; To go to the dock, press Ctrl-F3; To go to the Status menus, press Ctrl-F8; To go to the Toolbar, press Ctrl-F5; To open the Applications folder, press Cmd-Shift-A; To open the Utilities folder, press Cmd-Shift-U; To open the Documents folder, press Cmd-Shift-O; To open the Home folder, press Cmd-Shift-H; And there are many more. To learn more about shortcuts and enable the ones you want, go into System Preferences, Keyboard, and select the Shortcuts tab. There you will find a table of categories, and to the right of that, a table of shortcuts for the category you've chosen. Cheers, Anne On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:24, Garth Humphreys wrote: > Hi Ricardo and Scott > > Sorry this is just an impression I have. I will explain a little further > what I mean, and let me also say that I acknowledge that as a new mac user I > probably don't really know what I am talking about. > > It is things like bringing up a context menu. There is obviously the 4 finger > VO way to do this. Is there any keyboard only way of doing this other then > the VO one? Under windows there is a specific key for this as well as at > least one other 2 finger keyboard shortcut. > > I get the impression that a lot of the UI in OSX is designed to be interacted > with by using a mouse or now the track pad primarily. This is obviously the > same with windows but in windows I think that you would be more likely to be > able to find a keystroke which would accomplish the task you wanted. VO seems > to have to overcome the lack of a native keyboard shortcut and it often seems > that there are a lot of steps that are needed to get the job done. Not to > mention the number of keys that make up some of the shortcuts. > > There has been a strong history of supporting keyboard shortcuts under > windows. I read recently somewhere, possibly in the Steve Jobs biography, > that at one time he wanted to get rid of arrow keys on his keyboards > altogether. > > I think Pages is probably a lot more efficient to use if you are able to see > and can use the mouse. Under word you can achieve heaps with simple keyboard > shortcuts. > > Anyway as I said these are just the impressions of a new mac user. > > Garth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>>>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever >>>>> the task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least >>>>> a few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>>>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, >>>>> I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your >>>>> mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>>>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>>>> >>>>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need >>>>> to stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>>>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 >>>>> and Vista at home as well. >>>>> >>>>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>>>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>>>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable >>>>> is simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>>>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke >>>>> to achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >>>>> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it >>>>> is necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >>>>> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >>>>> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have >>>>> to think through what the key stroke is. I have used >>>>> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >>>>> >>>>> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows >>>>> machine out of reach for while to force yourself >>>>> then sure, why not. >>>>> >>>>> For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the >>>>> physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a >>>>> lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no >>>>> replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word >>>>> with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And >>>>> I would be really happy if I never had to hear busy >>>>> busy busy busy again. >>>>> >>>>> NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader >>>>> and it is free. >>>>> >>>>> I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> >>>>> twitter.com/blindtechmusing >>>>> >>>>> , >>>>> On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going >>>>>> to go back to windblows again. It took me a weekend >>>>> to set it up and once done, i left windblows behind and have never looked >>>>> back since. Ok, i've got a vm with XP and one with >>>>> 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only things i use >>>>> windblows for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope >>>>> there'll be mac versions of th
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Mac, I actually really like >>>>> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >>>>> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way >>>>> that I did before buying my MBA. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>>>>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>>>>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options >>>>>> for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>>>>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever >>>>>> the task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>>>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at >>>>>> least a few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>>>>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually >>>>>> works, I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your >>>>>> mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>>>>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need >>>>>> to stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>>>>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 >>>>>> and Vista at home as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>>>>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>>>>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable >>>>>> is simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>>>>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke >>>>>> to achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >>>>>> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it >>>>>> is necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >>>>>> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >>>>>> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have >>>>>> to think through what the key stroke is. I have used >>>>>> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >>>>>> >>>>>> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your >>>>>> Windows machine out of reach for while to force yourself >>>>>> then sure, why not. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the >>>>>> physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a >>>>>> lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just >>>>>> no replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word >>>>>> with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. >>>>>> A
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n, and let me also say that I acknowledge that as a new mac user >>> I probably don't really know what I am talking about. >>> >>> It is things like bringing up a context menu. There is obviously the 4 >>> finger VO way to do this. Is there any keyboard only way of doing this >>> other then the VO one? Under windows there is a specific key for this as >>> well as at least one other 2 finger keyboard shortcut. >>> >>> I get the impression that a lot of the UI in OSX is designed to be >>> interacted with by using a mouse or now the track pad primarily. This is >>> obviously the same with windows but in windows I think that you would be >>> more likely to be able to find a keystroke which would accomplish the task >>> you wanted. VO seems to have to overcome the lack of a native keyboard >>> shortcut and it often seems that there are a lot of steps that are needed >>> to get the job done. Not to mention the number of keys that make up some of >>> the shortcuts. >>> >>> There has been a strong history of supporting keyboard shortcuts under >>> windows. I read recently somewhere, possibly in the Steve Jobs biography, >>> that at one time he wanted to get rid of arrow keys on his keyboards >>> altogether. >>> >>> I think Pages is probably a lot more efficient to use if you are able to >>> see and can use the mouse. Under word you can achieve heaps with simple >>> keyboard shortcuts. >>> >>> Anyway as I said these are just the impressions of a new mac user. >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25/11/2011, at 9:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have been >>>> using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard commands >>>> are an afterthought. >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after >>>>> thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give >>>>> some examples of this. >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Missy >>>>>> >>>>>> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >>>>>> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >>>>>> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using >>>>>> Word. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought >>>>>> then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of >>>>>> a blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >>>>>> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >>>>>> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same >>>>>> way that I did before buying my MBA. >>>>>> >>>>>> Garth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>>>>>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>>>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>>>>>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>>>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options >>>>>>> for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>>>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>>>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>>>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too >>>>>>> complex considering the
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ee that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after >>>>>> thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give >>>>>> some examples of this. >>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Missy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >>>>>>> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >>>>>>> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using >>>>>>> Word. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after >>>>>>> thought then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the >>>>>>> perspective of a blind user, but in general without any reference to >>>>>>> screen readers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >>>>>>> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >>>>>>> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same >>>>>>> way that I did before buying my MBA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in >>>>>>>> particular; have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>>>>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you >>>>>>>> memorize them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>>>>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing >>>>>>>> options for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>>>>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>>>>>>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>>>>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too >>>>>>>> complex considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>>>>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>>>>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>>>>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever >>>>>>>> the task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>>>>>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at >>>>>>>> least a few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>>>>>>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually >>>>>>>> works, I don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use >>>>>>>> your mac for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>>>>>>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you >>>>>>>> need to stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>>>>>>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 >>>>>>>> and Vista at home as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>
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I have come into this thread late so apologies if these points have already been made. I am a comparative new Mac user and to be honest also initially found many of the VO shortcuts very key intensive. Quick nab helped a bit but I was constantly having to turn it on and off which added complication. Changing the function of the Tab key to automatically interact also helped a bit. This was not helped by my not getting on with the initial I MAC thin keyboard which gave me terrible RSI. For the first time I had to wear bandages over my wrists. 2 cope with the pain. 2 things have transformed matters for me. the firs is num pad commander which has for me personally revolutionised the ease of using Voiceover. . This has delivered much of the convenience of some old windows shortcuts and more. So if you want an application key to bring up the context menu then simply press the plus key on the num pad. . . I can even cope with interacting in and out of elements now with out wrecking my wrists because all I have to do is press 9 to interact and 7 to stop interacting. I execute by pressing the 5 key and so on. The other brilliant feature of the Mac is column view folder navigation which I constantly miss in Windows now. The other reasons for switching to the Mac is that hopefully Apple show no intention of losing a menu bar and moving to a hateful ribbon arrangement. By the way pressing 8 on num pad will bring up the menu bar, very easy. The other joy of the Mac is the way access tools work across the system. For example item chooser works as far as I can see everywhere and not just in Safari. I use it a lot in unfamiliar applications to get around. My only major disappointments so far is that after trying TextEdit bean, Nisus writer pro and Pages I have not found a satisfactory word processor to cope with word documents. Whether we like it or not this is a standard most of the world uses and none of these applications seem to cope with tables. If you are going to use a word processor for serious use then support for a table standard must be a basic necessity and I am baffled as to why this has not been sorted out ages ago. I also cannot do my online banking on the Mac as Safari will not even provide any feedback when entering passwords. Sometimes you sporadically get a click in some fields but often there is no typing feedback at all. I had to reset my passwords after several confused login attempts so sadly it is back to windows for anything involving passwords and finance. Secondly the other massive improvement was that I have got rid of the torture that was the new I MAC keyboard and replaced it with an older chunky model which with a wrist support no longer pains my hands and shoulders. If I could only now find a natural ergonomic keyboard that worked on a mac life would be definitely on the up. Unfortunately the windows ergonomic keyboards I have tried do not work. Anyway my recommendation is give num pad commander a try. If you have a mac book then I would definitely invest in an external keyboard to gain the convenience of the num pad. David Griffith n 26 Nov 2011, at 09:19, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Garth, > > There are vast numbers of keyboard shortcuts that have nothing to do with > VoiceOver. > > To get a contextual menu, hold down the Control key and click with the mouse > or trackpad; > To get to the Apple menu, press Ctrl-F2; > To go to the dock, press Ctrl-F3; > To go to the Status menus, press Ctrl-F8; > To go to the Toolbar, press Ctrl-F5; > To open the Applications folder, press Cmd-Shift-A; > To open the Utilities folder, press Cmd-Shift-U; > To open the Documents folder, press Cmd-Shift-O; > To open the Home folder, press Cmd-Shift-H; > And there are many more. > > To learn more about shortcuts and enable the ones you want, go into System > Preferences, Keyboard, and select the Shortcuts tab. There you will find a > table of categories, and to the right of that, a table of shortcuts for the > category you've chosen. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > > On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:24, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> Hi Ricardo and Scott >> >> Sorry this is just an impression I have. I will explain a little further >> what I mean, and let me also say that I acknowledge that as a new mac user I >> probably don't really know what I am talking about. >> >> It is things like bringing up a context menu. There is obviously the 4 >> finger VO way to do this. Is there any keyboard only way of doing this other >> then the VO one? Under windows there is a specific key for this as well as >> at least one other 2 finger keyboard shortcut. >> >> I get the impression that a lot of the UI in OSX is designed to be >> interacted with by using a mouse or now the track pad primarily. This is >> obviously the same with windows but in windows I think that you would be >> more likely to be able to find a keystroke which would acc
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Numpad commander sounds great but I just have a MBA. How do others use the keyboard commander. Mostly so far I've just added commands to launch programs. I have felt like I should learn the proper commands before replacing any. Garth Sent from my iPhone On 27/11/2011, at 2:26 AM, David Griffith wrote: > I have come into this thread late so apologies if these points have > already been made. > > I am a comparative new Mac user and to be honest also initially found many > of the VO shortcuts very key intensive. Quick nab helped a bit but I was > constantly having to turn it on and off which added complication. Changing > the function of the Tab key to automatically interact also helped a bit. > This was not helped by my not getting on with the initial I MAC thin > keyboard which gave me terrible RSI. For the first time I had to wear > bandages over my wrists. > 2 cope with the pain. > 2 things have transformed matters for me. the firs is num pad commander > which has for me personally revolutionised the ease of using Voiceover. . > This has delivered much of the convenience of some old windows shortcuts and > more. So if you want an application key to bring up the context menu then > simply press the plus key on the num pad. . > . I can even cope with interacting in and out of elements now with out > wrecking my wrists because all I have to do is press 9 to interact and 7 to > stop interacting. I execute by pressing the 5 key and so on. The other > brilliant feature of the Mac is column view folder navigation which I > constantly miss in Windows now. The other reasons for switching to the Mac is > that hopefully Apple show no intention of losing a menu bar and moving to a > hateful ribbon arrangement. By the way pressing 8 on num pad will bring up > the menu bar, very easy. The other joy of the Mac is the way access tools > work across the system. For example item chooser works as far as I can see > everywhere and not just in Safari. I use it a lot in unfamiliar applications > to get around. > > My only major disappointments so far is that after trying TextEdit bean, > Nisus writer pro and Pages I have not found a satisfactory word processor to > cope with word documents. Whether we like it or not this is a standard most > of the world uses and none of these applications seem to cope with tables. > If you are going to use a word processor for serious use then support for a > table standard must be a basic necessity and I am baffled as to why this has > not been sorted out ages ago. > I also cannot do my online banking on the Mac as Safari will not even provide > any feedback when entering passwords. Sometimes you sporadically get a click > in some fields but often there is no typing feedback at all. I had to reset > my passwords after several confused login attempts so sadly it is back to > windows for anything involving passwords and finance. > Secondly the other massive improvement was that I have got rid of the > torture that was the new I MAC keyboard and replaced it with an older chunky > model which with a wrist support no longer pains my hands and shoulders. If I > could only now find a natural ergonomic keyboard that worked on a mac life > would be definitely on the up. Unfortunately the windows ergonomic keyboards > I have tried do not work. > > Anyway my recommendation is give num pad commander a try. If you have a mac > book then I would definitely invest in an external keyboard to gain the > convenience of the num pad. > David Griffith > > n 26 Nov 2011, at 09:19, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Garth, >> >> There are vast numbers of keyboard shortcuts that have nothing to do with >> VoiceOver. >> >> To get a contextual menu, hold down the Control key and click with the mouse >> or trackpad; >> To get to the Apple menu, press Ctrl-F2; >> To go to the dock, press Ctrl-F3; >> To go to the Status menus, press Ctrl-F8; >> To go to the Toolbar, press Ctrl-F5; >> To open the Applications folder, press Cmd-Shift-A; >> To open the Utilities folder, press Cmd-Shift-U; >> To open the Documents folder, press Cmd-Shift-O; >> To open the Home folder, press Cmd-Shift-H; >> And there are many more. >> >> To learn more about shortcuts and enable the ones you want, go into System >> Preferences, Keyboard, and select the Shortcuts tab. There you will find a >> table of categories, and to the right of that, a table of shortcuts for the >> category you've chosen. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> >> On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:24, Garth Humphreys wrote: >> >>> Hi Ricardo and Scott >>> >>> Sorry this is just an impression I have. I will explain a little further >>> what I mean, and let me also say that I acknowledge that as a new mac user >>> I probably don't really know what I am talking about. >>> >>> It is things like bringing up a context menu. There is obviously the 4 >>> finger VO way to do this. Is there any k
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ed to get the job done. Not to mention the number of keys that >>>>> make up some of the shortcuts. >>>>> >>>>> There has been a strong history of supporting keyboard shortcuts under >>>>> windows. I read recently somewhere, possibly in the Steve Jobs biography, >>>>> that at one time he wanted to get rid of arrow keys on his keyboards >>>>> altogether. >>>>> >>>>> I think Pages is probably a lot more efficient to use if you are able to >>>>> see and can use the mouse. Under word you can achieve heaps with simple >>>>> keyboard shortcuts. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway as I said these are just the impressions of a new mac user. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25/11/2011, at 9:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have >>>>>> been using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard >>>>>> commands are an afterthought. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or >>>>>>> after thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can >>>>>>> give some examples of this. >>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Missy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the >>>>>>>> word processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that >>>>>>>> great compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to >>>>>>>> using Word. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after >>>>>>>> thought then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the >>>>>>>> perspective of a blind user, but in general without any reference to >>>>>>>> screen readers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really >>>>>>>> like using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as >>>>>>>> well. Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the >>>>>>>> same way that I did before buying my MBA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Garth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in >>>>>>>>> particular; have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>>>>>>>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you >>>>>>>>> memorize them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>>>>>>>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing >>>>>>>>> options for the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>>>>>>>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, >>>>>>>>> I don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>>>>>>>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too >>>>>>>>> complex considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>>>>>>>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read >>>>>>>>> recently where there were 4-5 steps, including >>>>>>>>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that >>>>>>>>> whatever the task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>>>>>&
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David, I have a very long password I use for my banking site. I can tell you that APple is not going to change how you receive feedback on entering passwords. Whether you agree or not, security is their first concern and I can assure you it took some effort to get even some audible feedback. However, perhaps you may consider a program such as 1Password by Agile Bits. This is an excellent application that will allow you to save passwords very securely and with one keystroke, have that password entered. In any case, just sharing an idea and here is a URL for more info on the app if you'r interested, http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/1password/id443987910?mt=12. On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:26 AM, David Griffith wrote: > I have come into this thread late so apologies if these points have > already been made. > > I am a comparative new Mac user and to be honest also initially found many > of the VO shortcuts very key intensive. Quick nab helped a bit but I was > constantly having to turn it on and off which added complication. Changing > the function of the Tab key to automatically interact also helped a bit. > This was not helped by my not getting on with the initial I MAC thin > keyboard which gave me terrible RSI. For the first time I had to wear > bandages over my wrists. > 2 cope with the pain. > 2 things have transformed matters for me. the firs is num pad commander > which has for me personally revolutionised the ease of using Voiceover. . > This has delivered much of the convenience of some old windows shortcuts and > more. So if you want an application key to bring up the context menu then > simply press the plus key on the num pad. . > . I can even cope with interacting in and out of elements now with out > wrecking my wrists because all I have to do is press 9 to interact and 7 to > stop interacting. I execute by pressing the 5 key and so on. The other > brilliant feature of the Mac is column view folder navigation which I > constantly miss in Windows now. The other reasons for switching to the Mac is > that hopefully Apple show no intention of losing a menu bar and moving to a > hateful ribbon arrangement. By the way pressing 8 on num pad will bring up > the menu bar, very easy. The other joy of the Mac is the way access tools > work across the system. For example item chooser works as far as I can see > everywhere and not just in Safari. I use it a lot in unfamiliar applications > to get around. > > My only major disappointments so far is that after trying TextEdit bean, > Nisus writer pro and Pages I have not found a satisfactory word processor to > cope with word documents. Whether we like it or not this is a standard most > of the world uses and none of these applications seem to cope with tables. > If you are going to use a word processor for serious use then support for a > table standard must be a basic necessity and I am baffled as to why this has > not been sorted out ages ago. > I also cannot do my online banking on the Mac as Safari will not even provide > any feedback when entering passwords. Sometimes you sporadically get a click > in some fields but often there is no typing feedback at all. I had to reset > my passwords after several confused login attempts so sadly it is back to > windows for anything involving passwords and finance. > Secondly the other massive improvement was that I have got rid of the > torture that was the new I MAC keyboard and replaced it with an older chunky > model which with a wrist support no longer pains my hands and shoulders. If I > could only now find a natural ergonomic keyboard that worked on a mac life > would be definitely on the up. Unfortunately the windows ergonomic keyboards > I have tried do not work. > > Anyway my recommendation is give num pad commander a try. If you have a mac > book then I would definitely invest in an external keyboard to gain the > convenience of the num pad. > David Griffith > > n 26 Nov 2011, at 09:19, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Garth, >> >> There are vast numbers of keyboard shortcuts that have nothing to do with >> VoiceOver. >> >> To get a contextual menu, hold down the Control key and click with the mouse >> or trackpad; >> To get to the Apple menu, press Ctrl-F2; >> To go to the dock, press Ctrl-F3; >> To go to the Status menus, press Ctrl-F8; >> To go to the Toolbar, press Ctrl-F5; >> To open the Applications folder, press Cmd-Shift-A; >> To open the Utilities folder, press Cmd-Shift-U; >> To open the Documents folder, press Cmd-Shift-O; >> To open the Home folder, press Cmd-Shift-H; >> And there are many more. >> >> To learn more about shortcuts and enable the ones you want, go into System >> Preferences, Keyboard, and select the Shortcuts tab. There you will find a >> table of categories, and to the right of that, a table of shortcuts for the >> category you've chosen. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> >> On 26 Nov 2
