Re: pages on a Mac
The command is a toggle. Doing the command should switch between plain text format and RTF format. When changing to plain text, you should receive a dialog box warning that converting to plain text will remove certain text attributes. This dialog warning does not appear when converting to RTF. - Brad - On Oct 21, 2020, at 22:22, Lorie McCloud wrote: when I have the plain text file open in text edit and I press command-shift-t, vo says: "make plain text." it already is. is there a way to find rtf in there? > On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Brad Snyder <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: > > The fact that you indicated you didn’t have MS Word on your Mac, is another > reason I suggested that you use TextEdit. > > You can convert a .txt file to MS Word format, using TextEdit as follows: > 1. Use the Mac keyboard command CMD + Shift + T, to convert the file from > plain text format to RTF format. > 2. Use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + Shift + S, to do a Save As, and > select either .doc or .docx from the list of available file formats in the > dialog. > > HTH. > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about > headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for > Mac. > > another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit? > > thanks. > Lorie > >> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> Hi Chanelle, >> >> I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit. As >> you know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word. I recommended >> TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she >> had created on a braille notetaker. I recommended TextEdit because it would >> allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the >> .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages. >> Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, >> but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the >> simplest solution. >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen > <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I >> decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the >> font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file >> also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used >> instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using >> Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not >> sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there >> seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. >> VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to >> the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws >> alt-delete would be extremely helpful. >> As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading >> styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and >> chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when >> defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works. >> >> Regards, >> >> Chanelle M. Allen >> iBUG Mac Instructor >> chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com> >> www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/> >> >>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. >>> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file >>> formats. . >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> will text edit open a doc file? >>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>>> will not. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>
Re: pages on a Mac
when I have the plain text file open in text edit and I press command-shift-t, vo says: "make plain text." it already is. is there a way to find rtf in there? > On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > The fact that you indicated you didn’t have MS Word on your Mac, is another > reason I suggested that you use TextEdit. > > You can convert a .txt file to MS Word format, using TextEdit as follows: > 1. Use the Mac keyboard command CMD + Shift + T, to convert the file from > plain text format to RTF format. > 2. Use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + Shift + S, to do a Save As, and > select either .doc or .docx from the list of available file formats in the > dialog. > > HTH. > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about > headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for > Mac. > > another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit? > > thanks. > Lorie > >> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> Hi Chanelle, >> >> I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit. As >> you know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word. I recommended >> TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she >> had created on a braille notetaker. I recommended TextEdit because it would >> allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the >> .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages. >> Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, >> but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the >> simplest solution. >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen > <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I >> decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the >> font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file >> also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used >> instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using >> Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not >> sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there >> seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. >> VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to >> the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws >> alt-delete would be extremely helpful. >> As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading >> styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and >> chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when >> defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works. >> >> Regards, >> >> Chanelle M. Allen >> iBUG Mac Instructor >> chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com> >> www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/> >> >>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. >>> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file >>> formats. . >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> will text edit open a doc file? >>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>>> will not. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >>>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >>>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a
Re: pages on a Mac
The fact that you indicated you didn’t have MS Word on your Mac, is another reason I suggested that you use TextEdit. You can convert a .txt file to MS Word format, using TextEdit as follows: 1. Use the Mac keyboard command CMD + Shift + T, to convert the file from plain text format to RTF format. 2. Use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + Shift + S, to do a Save As, and select either .doc or .docx from the list of available file formats in the dialog. HTH. - Brad - On Oct 21, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud wrote: you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for Mac. another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit? thanks. Lorie > On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: > > Hi Chanelle, > > I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit. As you > know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word. I recommended > TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she > had created on a braille notetaker. I recommended TextEdit because it would > allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the > .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages. > Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, > but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the > simplest solution. > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hello, > I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I > decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the > font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file also > seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used > instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using > Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not > sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there seems > to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. VO-F5-F5 > only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to the exact > location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws alt-delete > would be extremely helpful. > As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading > styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and > chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when > defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works. > > Regards, > > Chanelle M. Allen > iBUG Mac Instructor > chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com> > www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/> > >> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. >> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file >> formats. . >> >> - Brad - >> >> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> will text edit open a doc file? >> >>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>> will not. >>> >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so >>> I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know >>> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get >>> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >>> email. how do I do this? >>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >>> thanks. >>> >>> Lorie >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a me
Re: pages on a Mac
you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for Mac. another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit? thanks. Lorie > On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > Hi Chanelle, > > I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit. As you > know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word. I recommended > TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she > had created on a braille notetaker. I recommended TextEdit because it would > allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the > .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages. > Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, > but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the > simplest solution. > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hello, > I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I > decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the > font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file also > seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used > instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using > Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not > sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there seems > to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. VO-F5-F5 > only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to the exact > location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws alt-delete > would be extremely helpful. > As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading > styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and > chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when > defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works. > > Regards, > > Chanelle M. Allen > iBUG Mac Instructor > chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com> > www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/> > >> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. >> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file >> formats. . >> >> - Brad - >> >> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> will text edit open a doc file? >> >>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>> will not. >>> >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so >>> I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know >>> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get >>> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >>> email. how do I do this? >>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >>> thanks. >>> >>> Lorie >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroup
Re: pages on a Mac
Hi Chanelle, I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit. As you know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word. I recommended TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she had created on a braille notetaker. I recommended TextEdit because it would allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages. Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the simplest solution. - Brad - On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen wrote: Hello, I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws alt-delete would be extremely helpful. As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works. Regards, Chanelle M. Allen iBUG Mac Instructor chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com> www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/> > On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: > > Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. > Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file formats. > . > > - Brad - > > On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > will text edit open a doc file? > >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >> will not. >> >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I >> guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know >> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get >> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >> email. how do I do this? >> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >> thanks. >> >> Lorie >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com>. >> >> >> -- >> The follo
Re: pages on a Mac
Hello, I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws alt-delete would be extremely helpful. As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works. Regards, Chanelle M. Allen iBUG Mac Instructor chanellem.al...@gmail.com www.ibugtoday.org > On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder wrote: > > Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. > Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file formats. > . > > - Brad - > > On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > will text edit open a doc file? > >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >> will not. >> >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I >> guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know >> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get >> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >> email. how do I do this? >> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >> thanks. >> >> Lorie >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com>. >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>
Re: pages on a Mac
I think macfortheblind.com offers audio courses on using various applications. Perhaps also has one for Pages. Dave Carlson Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer > On Oct 19, 2020, at 11:27 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > I did interact with the document and vo would read the text but I couldn't do > anything to it. > >> On Oct 19, 2020, at 2:37 AM, Julie Rattray wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Pages works well with VO just interact with the document and you will get to >> the body of the doc and you can edit etc. >> >>> On 19 Oct 2020, at 05:57, Maurice Mines wrote: >>> >>> Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who >>> posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a >>> sophisticated work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 >>> and Microsoft word for the Mac. I hope this helps? >>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: >>>> >>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>>> will not. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >>>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >>>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so >>>> I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't >>>> know much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to >>>> get into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >>>> email. how do I do this? >>>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >>>> thanks. >>>> >>>> Lorie >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important
Re: pages on a Mac
Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it. Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file formats. . - Brad - On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud wrote: will text edit open a doc file? > On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. > Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages > will not. > > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I > changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each > line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I > guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know > much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get > into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an email. > how do I do this? > I might mention that I'm running Mojave. > thanks. > > Lorie > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/CE5BF325-B99A-403E-BEE2-F06B4004D151%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscri
Re: pages on a Mac
Very odd it should have let you sorry not much help > On 20 Oct 2020, at 07:27, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > I did interact with the document and vo would read the text but I couldn't do > anything to it. > >> On Oct 19, 2020, at 2:37 AM, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Pages works well with VO just interact with the document and you will get to >> the body of the doc and you can edit etc. >> >>> On 19 Oct 2020, at 05:57, Maurice Mines >> <mailto:mmines.h...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who >>> posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a >>> sophisticated work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 >>> and Microsoft word for the Mac. I hope this helps? >>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>>> will not. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >>>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >>>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so >>>> I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't >>>> know much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to >>>> get into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >>>> email. how do I do this? >>>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >>>> thanks. >>>> >>>> Lorie >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegro
Re: pages on a Mac
I did interact with the document and vo would read the text but I couldn't do anything to it. > On Oct 19, 2020, at 2:37 AM, Julie Rattray wrote: > > Hi, > > Pages works well with VO just interact with the document and you will get to > the body of the doc and you can edit etc. > >> On 19 Oct 2020, at 05:57, Maurice Mines > <mailto:mmines.h...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who >> posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a sophisticated >> work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 and Microsoft >> word for the Mac. I hope this helps? >> >>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >>> will not. >>> >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so >>> I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know >>> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get >>> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >>> email. how do I do this? >>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >>> thanks. >>> >>> Lorie >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA
Re: pages on a Mac
will text edit open a doc file? > On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. > Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages > will not. > > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I > changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each > line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I > guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know > much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get > into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an email. > how do I do this? > I might mention that I'm running Mojave. > thanks. > > Lorie > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/CE5BF325-B99A-403E-BEE2-F06B4004D151%40gmail.com.
Re: pages on a Mac
Hi, Pages works well with VO just interact with the document and you will get to the body of the doc and you can edit etc. > On 19 Oct 2020, at 05:57, Maurice Mines wrote: > > Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who > posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a sophisticated > work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 and Microsoft > word for the Mac. I hope this helps? > >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. >> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages >> will not. >> >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I >> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each >> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I >> guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know >> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get >> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an >> email. how do I do this? >> I might mention that I'm running Mojave. >> thanks. >> >> Lorie >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com>. >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list it
Re: pages on a Mac
Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a sophisticated work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 and Microsoft word for the Mac. I hope this helps? > On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: > > You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. > Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages > will not. > > > - Brad - > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I > changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each > line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I > guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know > much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get > into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an email. > how do I do this? > I might mention that I'm running Mojave. > thanks. > > Lorie > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3B5F0A7C-97E8-441B-B0CE-8798517881E4%40gmail.com.
Re: pages on a Mac
You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages. Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format. Pages will not. - Brad - On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud wrote: I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an email. how do I do this? I might mention that I'm running Mojave. thanks. Lorie -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57A124CA-9A52-4C72-B5E5-C78D09540BA8%40swbell.net.
pages on a Mac
I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an email. how do I do this? I might mention that I'm running Mojave. thanks. Lorie -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/37FF0E32-DD12-452D-BF87-8A9E686FE13C%40gmail.com.
Re: docx files in Pages on a Mac
Try interacting with the document, the page one, then the text edit field, and Read all from there. > On Dec 30, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > how do you read docx files in pages on a Mac? I'm still running Mojave. > here's what I do. vo-right arrow to "document" interact and then press vo-A. > it reads page 1 and then stops. what do I do if I want it to read the entire > document? > > thanks. > Lorie > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/87055A12-6620-4708-8195-B6529707ECDE%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/51D0968D-3A24-46A2-A450-DBB71414B7DE%40me.com.
docx files in Pages on a Mac
how do you read docx files in pages on a Mac? I'm still running Mojave. here's what I do. vo-right arrow to "document" interact and then press vo-A. it reads page 1 and then stops. what do I do if I want it to read the entire document? thanks. Lorie -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/87055A12-6620-4708-8195-B6529707ECDE%40gmail.com.
RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Ok folks, Can't we put this to rest? Anne and Jonathan have produced a good product that can only increase our abilities when using pages / Voiceover. As for handing out copies of the book for free, All I can say is if you do that then I hope you know your copywrite laws, because that's a breech of copywrite! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 1:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Don't do me any favors Jason. Your offer has a taint to it. Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who > asks. Contact me if you want it. > >> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why >> can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >> >> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I >>> don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>>> anything to you or your family? >>>> >>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>> producing this guide, >>>> >>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>> >>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on >>>> the Mac with VoiceOver >>>> >>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>>> beneficial knowledge. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>> >>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the >>>>> day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in >>>>> winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so >>>>> cheap. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it >>>>> were true? >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free >>>>>> to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who >>>>>> have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience >>>>>>> as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of >>>>>>> time—time that the author could be using to do other things for >>>>>>> themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating >>>>>>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of >>>>>>> useful knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS >>>>>>> with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this >>>>>>> book an
RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
When I think about it I'm not sure what issue people have with paying $35 USA to buy this eBook, I'm guessing it will cost me around $50 NZ dollars to buy the same book, But I'll be buying it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 5:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Well, I agree there is value in sharing knowledge but in capitalistic economies, value is usually given for value received. That's why educators and others who advance knowledge are paid for their services. Maybe you should explain what you mean by free knowledge because it seems as if it's your singular opinion. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't > need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. > >> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >> anything to you or your family? >> >> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >> producing this guide, >> >> They've worked hard to put it together, >> >> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >> Mac with VoiceOver >> >> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >> beneficial knowledge. >> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>> >>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the >>> day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, >>> then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free >>>> to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have >>>> the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>> >>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of >>>>> time—time that the author could be using to do other things for >>>>> themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating >>>>> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >>>>> knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS >>>>> with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book >>>>> and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>> >>>>> DFTBA! >>>>> >>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>> >>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>&g
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Wait, what book is this? Dora Speck [Sent from my iPhone] > On Feb 29, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Amazon > >> On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching >> to a blind computer user, >> So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written >> specifically for Voiceover users >> >> Show me another book like this that's as cheap. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >> Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >> with VoiceOver >> >> That's not the point. The point is that they put a lot of hard work into >> creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it. Few of us would be >> very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were >> told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid. >> And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have >> everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge. Want a >> book about home improvement? About using a certain kind of software? About >> cooking or gardening? Guess what, you're going to pay for it. There's no >> reason that this should be any different. >> Donna >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book >>> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than >>> sharing beneficial knowledge. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>> >>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves >>>>>> and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>>> >>>>>> DFTBA! >>>>>> >>>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>>> >>>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Amazon On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching > to a blind computer user, > So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written > specifically for Voiceover users > > Show me another book like this that's as cheap. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin > Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac > with VoiceOver > > That's not the point. The point is that they put a lot of hard work into > creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it. Few of us would be > very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were > told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid. > And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have > everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge. Want a > book about home improvement? About using a certain kind of software? About > cooking or gardening? Guess what, you're going to pay for it. There's no > reason that this should be any different. > Donna >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book >> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than >> sharing beneficial knowledge. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>> >>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>> >>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves >>>>> and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>> >>>>> DFTBA! >>>>> >>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>> >>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they >>>>>> financially able or not. >>>>>
RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching to a blind computer user, So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written specifically for Voiceover users Show me another book like this that's as cheap. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver That's not the point. The point is that they put a lot of hard work into creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it. Few of us would be very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid. And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge. Want a book about home improvement? About using a certain kind of software? About cooking or gardening? Guess what, you're going to pay for it. There's no reason that this should be any different. Donna > On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book > is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than > sharing beneficial knowledge. > > On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >> >> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >> true? >> >> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>> >>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves >>>> and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>> >>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>> >>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>> >>>> DFTBA! >>>> >>>> John D. Lipsey >>>> >>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they >>>>> financially able or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to >>>>>> have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. >>>>>> The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and >>>>>> I was very unprepare
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
On 3/1/2016 2:14 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: > Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for > your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. > Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do > an awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication. >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by >> distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, >> you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done >> so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same >> list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you >> never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you >> have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? >> I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no >> way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to >> work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be >> getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't >> get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their >> time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and >> only charge $15 p er hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book. >> Aleeha Dudley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >>> asks. Contact me if you want it. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, >>>> why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>>> >>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>>>>> anything to you or your family? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>>> producing this guide, >>>>>> >>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >>>>>> Mac with VoiceOver >>>>>> >>>>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>>>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than >>>>>> sharing beneficial knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>>>> you might remember th
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do an awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication. > On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by > distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, > you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done > so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list > as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never > had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have > one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I > should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way > you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work > one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one > because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. > Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and > hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 > per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This > book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over > what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than > reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will > gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will > not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and > Jonathan for yet another awesome book. > Aleeha Dudley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >> asks. Contact me if you want it. >> >>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, >>> why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>> >>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>>>> anything to you or your family? >>>>> >>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >>>>> this guide, >>>>> >>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>> >>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >>>>> with VoiceOver >>>>> >>>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>>>> beneficial knowledge. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>>> >>>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>>> true? >
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hahaha On 3/1/2016 12:42 AM, Phil Halton wrote: > I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with > these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried > to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us > how great thievery is > > > Sent from my IPhone > > >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral >> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with >> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it >> too. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> Aleeha, >>> >>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could >>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. >>> >>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You >>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support >>> you until the very end through this mess. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> - Original Message ----- From: "Aleeha Dudley" >>> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >>> Mac with VoiceOver >>> >>> >>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something >>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public >>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you >>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you >>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about >>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about >>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything >>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know >>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true >>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a >>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your >>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. >>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, >>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and >>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently >>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of >>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training >>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably >>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from >>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so >>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another >>> awesome book. >>> Aleeha Dudley >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >>>> asks. Contact me if you want it. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >>>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>>>> >>>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>>>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>>>>
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us how great thievery is Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. > The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like > this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > >> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> Aleeha, >> >> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could >> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. >> >> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You >> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support >> you until the very end through this mess. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" >> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >> Mac with VoiceOver >> >> >> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something >> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public >> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you >> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you >> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about >> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about >> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything >> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know >> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true >> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a >> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your >> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. >> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, >> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and >> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently >> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of >> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training >> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably >> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from >> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so >> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another >> awesome book. >> Aleeha Dudley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >>> asks. Contact me if you want it. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>>> >>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>>> producing this guide, >>>>>> >>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From:
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Don't do me any favors Jason. Your offer has a taint to it. Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who > asks. Contact me if you want it. > >> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why >> can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >> >> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>>> anything to you or your family? >>>> >>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >>>> this guide, >>>> >>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>> >>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >>>> with VoiceOver >>>> >>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>>> beneficial knowledge. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>> >>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>> true? >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That’s all. Back to silentl
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Those who got a free copy will benefit a lot from this book also. Nobody will starve or die by freely sharing this book. On 2/29/2016 11:15 PM, E.T. wrote: >It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral > compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with > people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with > it too. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> Aleeha, >> >> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could >> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. >> >> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You >> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support >> you until the very end through this mess. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" >> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >> Mac with VoiceOver >> >> >> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something >> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public >> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you >> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you >> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about >> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about >> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything >> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know >> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true >> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a >> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your >> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. >> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, >> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and >> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently >> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of >> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training >> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably >> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from >> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so >> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another >> awesome book. >> Aleeha Dudley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >>> asks. Contact me if you want it. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>>> >>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>>> producing this guide, >>>>>> >>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegr
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fair enough. Your point is taken. And I do agree. enough said. Everybody have a blessed day. Chris. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 18:15, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. > The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like > this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > >> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> Aleeha, >> >> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could >> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. >> >> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You >> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support >> you until the very end through this mess. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" >> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >> Mac with VoiceOver >> >> >> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something >> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public >> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you >> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you >> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about >> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about >> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything >> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know >> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true >> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a >> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your >> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. >> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, >> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and >> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently >> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of >> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training >> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably >> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from >> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so >> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another >> awesome book. >> Aleeha Dudley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >>> asks. Contact me if you want it. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>>> >>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>>> producing this guide, >>>>>> >>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>>>> Sent
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Aleeha, I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support you until the very end through this mess. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book. Aleeha Dudley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who asks. Contact me if you want it. On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything to you or your family? I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing this guide, They've worked hard to put it together, And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial knowledge. On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Aleeha, I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support you until the very end through this mess. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book. Aleeha Dudley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who asks. Contact me if you want it. On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything to you or your family? I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing this guide, They've worked hard to put it together, And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial knowledge. On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and e
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book. Aleeha Dudley Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who > asks. Contact me if you want it. > >> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why >> can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >> >> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>>> anything to you or your family? >>>> >>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >>>> this guide, >>>> >>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>> >>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >>>> with VoiceOver >>>> >>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>>> beneficial knowledge. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>> >>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>> true? >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wid
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Congratulations on that, I guess. As much as I enjoy free information, I’m going to go buy a copy of the book sometime before this week is out. Finding the time to sit down and delve into it is going to be the tricky part. DFTBA! John D. Lipsey mail: johnl1...@gmail.com Twitter: @J_TGL > On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:17, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've > already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks > to everybody who reached out. > > On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> Thank you Jason for letting us know. Now, we have evidence of your >> message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy >> of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well >> as to Anne Robertson. >> >> Smooth move, XLax! >> >> Never mind my sarcasm. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" <crazywint...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >> Mac with VoiceOver >> >> >> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >> asks. Contact me if you want it. >> >> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>> >>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>>> >>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>> producing this guide, >>>>> >>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>> >>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on >>>>> the Mac with VoiceOver >>>>> >>>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the >>>>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other >>>>> than sharing beneficial knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>>> >>>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>>> true? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>>>> humanly possibl
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks to everybody who reached out. On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Thank you Jason for letting us know. Now, we have evidence of your > message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy > of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well > as to Anne Robertson. > > Smooth move, XLax! > > Never mind my sarcasm. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" <crazywint...@gmail.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the > Mac with VoiceOver > > > I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who > asks. Contact me if you want it. > > On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >> >> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>> >>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>> producing this guide, >>>> >>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>> >>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on >>>> the Mac with VoiceOver >>>> >>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the >>>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other >>>> than sharing beneficial knowledge. >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>> >>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>> true? >>>>> >>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >>>>>>> knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>>> encorporate some of its informa
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Thank you Jason for letting us know. Now, we have evidence of your message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well as to Anne Robertson. Smooth move, XLax! Never mind my sarcasm. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" <crazywint...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who asks. Contact me if you want it. On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything to you or your family? I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing this guide, They've worked hard to put it together, And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial knowledge. On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. DFTBA! John D. Lipsey mail: johnl1...@gmail.com Twitter: @J_TGL On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, p
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who asks. Contact me if you want it. On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: > well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why > can not ann make money on her eduicational material? > > so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >> >> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>> anything to you or your family? >>> >>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >>> this guide, >>> >>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>> >>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >>> with VoiceOver >>> >>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>> beneficial knowledge. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>> >>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>>> >>>>>> DFTBA! >>>>>> >>>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>>> >>>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it wil
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
thank you so much ann > On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > Hello George, > > Thank you for buying the book. > > Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from > Contacts. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > Use Contacts to address envelopes. > > • Put the selected card or cards into a new group; > • Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue; > • Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find > Show Details button, click it; > • Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style; > • Go right to the pop up button; > • Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes"; > • Navigate right to Layout and select it; > • Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of > where it says "layout" again; > • Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find > either International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu; > • Select the appropriate envelope type; > • Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position > and size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from > left and how big); > • Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of > addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size > of the Sender address panel; > • Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it; > • Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if > you don't want your address to appear on the envelope; > • Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you > want to send from (Home, Work, etc.); > • Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category > of address for the recipient(s); > • To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal > Code); > • Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the > recipient's company name, both or neither; > • To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed > unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other > country names will be printed; > • To the right again, you select font colour (default black); > • Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab; > • The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular > to the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it > to be parallel; > • You can now print your envelope. > > Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time! > > >> On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com >> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> thank you ann and i am buying your book. >> >> is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no >> success. >> thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts. >> >> thanks again >> >> george >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello George, >>> >>> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for >>> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts >>> if you need to print more than a couple at a time. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> jonathen >>>> >>>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print >>>> envelopes? i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web >>>> site. >>>> >>>> i need to beable to do this eather a single envelope and or a mailing >>>> list of envelopes. >>>> >>>> thanks >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this >>>>> list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it >>>>> inside-out. >>>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would >>>>> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. The
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Well, I agree there is value in sharing knowledge but in capitalistic economies, value is usually given for value received. That's why educators and others who advance knowledge are paid for their services. Maybe you should explain what you mean by free knowledge because it seems as if it's your singular opinion. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't > need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. > >> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >> anything to you or your family? >> >> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >> this guide, >> >> They've worked hard to put it together, >> >> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >> with VoiceOver >> >> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >> beneficial knowledge. >> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>> >>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>> >>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>> >>>>> DFTBA! >>>>> >>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>> >>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially >>>>>> able or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> &g
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Hello George, Thank you for buying the book. Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from Contacts. Cheers, Anne Use Contacts to address envelopes. • Put the selected card or cards into a new group; • Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue; • Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find Show Details button, click it; • Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style; • Go right to the pop up button; • Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes"; • Navigate right to Layout and select it; • Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of where it says "layout" again; • Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find either International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu; • Select the appropriate envelope type; • Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position and size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from left and how big); • Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size of the Sender address panel; • Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it; • Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if you don't want your address to appear on the envelope; • Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you want to send from (Home, Work, etc.); • Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category of address for the recipient(s); • To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal Code); • Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the recipient's company name, both or neither; • To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other country names will be printed; • To the right again, you select font colour (default black); • Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab; • The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular to the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it to be parallel; • You can now print your envelope. Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time! > On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > thank you ann and i am buying your book. > > is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no > success. > thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts. > > thanks again > > george >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >> >> Hello George, >> >> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for >> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts >> if you need to print more than a couple at a time. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> jonathen >>> >>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print >>> envelopes? i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web >>> site. >>> >>> i need to beable to do this eather a single envelope and or a mailing list >>> of envelopes. >>> >>> thanks >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this >>>> list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it >>>> inside-out. >>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would >>>> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to >>>> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called >>>> "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making >>>> the most of the application. >>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need >>>> out there. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I'm sorry, y'all, for being the one to whine this time. I'm getting to used to free books and all from NLS, lol. Gosh they spoil us. Anyways, I am considering saving up money for it. Is it on the iBooks store? If so, iTunes cards will take care of it. If not, that's okay. I'd just have to go a few steps more. But if I don't buy the book, I'll still try and figure out a few things at least, and post them as guides on Applevis. I'm probably not as good at the Mac as Anne is, but you never know. Maybe I'll surprise myself. :) Sent from Outlook Mobile. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:32 AM -0800, "Phil Halton" <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: After reading through all the messages in this thread I am heartened to see the Goodcents shown by the majority of the listers. It looks like our friend Jason is getting a "free" education today on how the world really works, Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Scott Davert wrote: > > If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it > should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself > for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no > charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive > tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from > blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you > feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available > and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the > resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just > like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain > things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was > enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people > would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can > tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes > a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write > a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While > I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I > only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done. > > JMO, > Scott > >> On 2/29/16, Scott Granados wrote: >> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only >> on computers and non essentials. Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy >> it else nobody cares. Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me >> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the >> investment. Some people just expect to be handed everything for free. >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> >>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or >>> not. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile . >>>> Devin Prater >>>> d.pra...@me.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>> application. >>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>> . >>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>>> r
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Jason, Free is an oxymoron. Means that nothing is truly free, there is a cost to every action. Even taking the time to avail yourself of free knowledge comes with a price. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/28/2016 11:21 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything to you or your family? I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing this guide, They've worked hard to put it together, And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial knowledge. On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. DFTBA! John D. Lipsey mail: johnl1...@gmail.com Twitter: @J_TGL On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application. You can learn more about the book here <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. Thanks to Anne and
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
After reading through all the messages in this thread I am heartened to see the Goodcents shown by the majority of the listers. It looks like our friend Jason is getting a "free" education today on how the world really works, Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it > should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself > for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no > charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive > tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from > blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you > feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available > and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the > resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just > like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain > things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was > enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people > would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can > tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes > a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write > a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While > I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I > only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done. > > JMO, > Scott > >> On 2/29/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only >> on computers and non essentials. Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy >> it else nobody cares. Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me >> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the >> investment. Some people just expect to be handed everything for free. >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or >>> not. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>> Devin Prater >>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>> application. >>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>>> real need out there. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>> Mac Visionar
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
And why do you think they should go to the bother of sharing their heart one knowledge if there is no incentive for them to do so. I'm talking about earning a living here. If you've ever had to earn your way in this world you'll know what I'm talking about. Innovation doesn't come cheap and neither does knowledge. If you want to enjoy the fruits of these things be prepared to compensate people for their time and effort. When and if you ever use your mind to create something of value, you will write fully expect to be compensated for your labors. Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is > freely available. There are other ways of making money other than > sharing beneficial knowledge. > >> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >> >> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you >> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>> >>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together >>>> is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the >>>> author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their >>>> family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as >>>> long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>> >>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices >>>> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to >>>> charge that much for this knowledge. >>>> >>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>> >>>> DFTBA! >>>> >>>> John D. Lipsey >>>> >>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>>> instructors >>>>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very >>>>>> unprepared >>>>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>&g
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I, too bought the book, and was very very proud to do so! Chris. - Original Message - From: Basioli George To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:06 AM Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver thank you ann and i am buying your book. is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no success. thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts. thanks again george On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: Hello George, The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if you need to print more than a couple at a time. Cheers, Anne On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote: jonathen do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print envelopes? i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site. i need to beable to do this eather a single envelope and or a mailing list of envelopes. thanks On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application. You can learn more about the book here. Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacV
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Also, for those who want a free resource, which isn't quite as comprehensive on pages, you may wish to check out: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/mastering-macintosh-voiceover/id899197795?mt=11 It's certainly not as extensive as this book, but it should get you started. Scott On 2/29/16, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, when you pay for the book, you are getting three different formats, > all for the purchase price. > > Way worth it. > > Caitlyn > >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Remember guys and girls, >> >> Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be >> creaming his cut also off the top of this. >> >> Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially >> when the book is probably a great resource. >> >> As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really >> needs to be. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >> with VoiceOver >> >> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>> I see both sides of this argument. >>> >>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available >>> means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. >>> However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It >>> probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do >>> other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem >>> compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and >>> full of useful knowledge. >>> >>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed >>> it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of >>> things, a bad price. I could see a book like this priced at or above >>> $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, >>> and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this >>> knowledge. >>> >>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>> >>> DFTBA! >>> >>> John D. Lipsey >>> >>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or >>>> not. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was >>>>> very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>> Devin Prater >>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
thank you ann and i am buying your book. is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no success. thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts. thanks again george > On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > Hello George, > > The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for one > envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if you > need to print more than a couple at a time. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com >> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> jonathen >> >> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print >> envelopes? i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web >> site. >> >> i need to beable to do this eather a single envelope and or a mailing list >> of envelopes. >> >> thanks >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, >>> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. >>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would >>> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to >>> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My >>> Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the >>> most of the application. >>> You can learn more about the book here >>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need >>> out there. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com &g
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Why do you think I don't do audio tutorials anymore for people free of charge? When I did, no one ever was greatful, and so I quit. I still record tutorials, and I still offer one on one training, but I absolutely refuse to do it any longer for free under any circumstances. If people want my service bad enough, they'll pay, otherwise, they just won't get it. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Scott Davert" <scottslistm...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:54 AM Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done. JMO, Scott On 2/29/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only on computers and non essentials. Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy it else nobody cares. Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the investment. Some people just expect to be handed everything for free. On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application. You can learn more about the book here <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Also, when you pay for the book, you are getting three different formats, all for the purchase price. Way worth it. Caitlyn > On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Remember guys and girls, > > Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be > creaming his cut also off the top of this. > > Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially when > the book is probably a great resource. > > As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really needs > to be. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw > Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac > with VoiceOver > > $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to > everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability > to will donate, those who cannot won't. > > On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >> I see both sides of this argument. >> >> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means >> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, >> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably >> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other >> things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating >> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >> knowledge. >> >> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. >> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may >> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I >> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to >> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they >> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >> >> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >> >> DFTBA! >> >> John D. Lipsey >> >> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >> >> Twitter: @J_TGL >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >>> >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was >>>> very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>> Devin Prater >>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>> application. >>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Nobody is forcing anybody to pay. If you want knowledge, just ask on this and other mac related lists and people will help you. On the other hand, there is no free lunch and people with experience and knowledge should be compensated for their time and experience. that’s life. Caitlyn > On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. > Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which > would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. > > > On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >> to help them make a course for it. >> >> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >> Devin Prater >> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>clearly knows it inside-out. >>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>application. >>You can learn more about the book here >><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>real need out there. >>Jonathan Mosen >>Mosen Consulting >>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >> >>-- >>The following information is important for all members of the >>Mac Visionaries list. >> >>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>posting on the list itself. >> >>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your >>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>--- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>To post to this group, send email to >>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >>-- >>The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>Visionaries list. >> >>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>list itself. >> >>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>--- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>To u
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done. JMO, Scott On 2/29/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only > on computers and non essentials. Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy > it else nobody cares. Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me > especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the > investment. Some people just expect to be handed everything for free. > >> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or >> not. >> >> >> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>> to help them make a course for it. >>> >>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>> Devin Prater >>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>clearly knows it inside-out. >>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>application. >>>You can learn more about the book here >>><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>>real need out there. >>>Jonathan Mosen >>>Mosen Consulting >>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >>> >>>-- >>>The following information is important for all members of the >>>Mac Visionaries list. >>> >>>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>posting on the list itself. >>> >>>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your >>>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/ma
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
And let's not forget, folks. Anne is one of the most knowledgeable Mac users on this list, and for years she has generously shared her expertise with us for free. She has been a huge help to me over the years, and personally, I'm glad to see her getting some compensation for her knowledge. Cheers, Donna > On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only > on computers and non essentials. Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy it > else nobody cares. Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me > especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the > investment. Some people just expect to be handed everything for free. > >> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >> >> >> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>> to help them make a course for it. >>> >>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>> Devin Prater >>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>> application. >>> You can learn more about the book here >>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>> real need out there. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the >>> Mac Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>> posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your >>> owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>> it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Hello George, The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts if you need to print more than a couple at a time. Cheers, Anne > On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > jonathen > > do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print > envelopes? i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site. > > i need to beable to do this eather a single envelope and or a mailing list > of envelopes. > > thanks >> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, >> particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. >> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be >> willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do >> this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac >> Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most >> of the application. >> You can learn more about the book here >> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need >> out there. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list m
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Hi! I have no problems and issues with this either. I don’t do text or word processing on the mac since the lack of braille support is driving me nuts so i stick to linux when i have to write something. /A > On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:10, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Remember guys and girls, > > Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be > creaming his cut also off the top of this. > > Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially when > the book is probably a great resource. > > As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really needs > to be. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw > Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac > with VoiceOver > > $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to > everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability > to will donate, those who cannot won't. > > On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >> I see both sides of this argument. >> >> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means >> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, >> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably >> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other >> things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating >> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >> knowledge. >> >> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. >> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may >> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I >> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to >> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they >> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >> >> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >> >> DFTBA! >> >> John D. Lipsey >> >> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >> >> Twitter: @J_TGL >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >>> >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was >>>> very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>> Devin Prater >>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>> application. >>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>> <http://mosen.org/index.
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only on computers and non essentials. Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy it else nobody cares. Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the investment. Some people just expect to be handed everything for free. > On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. > Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which > would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. > > > On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >> to help them make a course for it. >> >> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >> Devin Prater >> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>clearly knows it inside-out. >>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>application. >>You can learn more about the book here >><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>real need out there. >>Jonathan Mosen >>Mosen Consulting >>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >> >>-- >>The following information is important for all members of the >>Mac Visionaries list. >> >>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>posting on the list itself. >> >>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your >>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>--- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>To post to this group, send email to >>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >>-- >>The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>Visionaries list. >> >>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>list itself. >> >>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>--- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
jonathen do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print envelopes? i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web site. i need to beable to do this eather a single envelope and or a mailing list of envelopes. thanks > On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > > Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, > particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. > Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be > willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do > this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac > Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most > of the application. > You can learn more about the book here > <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. > Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out > there. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I agree with John 1 billion! percent! Honestly, you all need to be greatful, as frankly, $35 is actually quite reasonable, when you consider what all Pages can do! I'm not gonna comment any more on this. I'll stand to support this until the end. Chris. - Original Message - From: "John D. Lipsey" <johnl1...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:15 PM Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. DFTBA! John D. Lipsey mail: johnl1...@gmail.com Twitter: @J_TGL On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application. You can learn more about the book here <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
That's not the point. The point is that they put a lot of hard work into creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it. Few of us would be very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid. And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge. Want a book about home improvement? About using a certain kind of software? About cooking or gardening? Guess what, you're going to pay for it. There's no reason that this should be any different. Donna > On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is > freely available. There are other ways of making money other than > sharing beneficial knowledge. > > On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >> >> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you >> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>> >>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together >>>> is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the >>>> author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their >>>> family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as >>>> long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>> >>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices >>>> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to >>>> charge that much for this knowledge. >>>> >>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>> >>>> DFTBA! >>>> >>>> John D. Lipsey >>>> >>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able >>>>> or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>>> instructors >>>>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very >>>>>> unprepared >>>>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com&g
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Ahoy list! If you can't save up $35.00 may be you shouldn't be using a mac! This "socialist" attitude of everything should be free is "OFF" and time is money so buy the thing and save time! :) If you never had to meet the "mortgage" or the "electric bill", I could see where you would bee asking for it to be free! :) I guess the "elephant" in the room question is did you buy your mac product or did you have the state buy it for you? If some one else bought it for you you have no clue how much time went in to "WORKING" for it, that was actually spent!!! So get a job and pay Ann for her work and be happy! :) Talk soon Chuck On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be > paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that > book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the > knowledge you like. >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >> >> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>> anything to you or your family? >>> >>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >>> this guide, >>> >>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>> >>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >>> with VoiceOver >>> >>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>> beneficial knowledge. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>> >>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
i do not see sited persons gripeing when they pay for those 800 page books on how to use all this mac and windows stuff. stop the winning because you have a disibility and get on with your lifes > On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be > paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that > book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the > knowledge you like. >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >> >> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >>> anything to you or your family? >>> >>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >>> this guide, >>> >>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>> >>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >>> with VoiceOver >>> >>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >>> beneficial knowledge. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>> >>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>>> >>>>>> DFTBA! >>>>>> >>>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>>> >>>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>>> >>>>&
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life > On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't > need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. > > On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >> anything to you or your family? >> >> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >> this guide, >> >> They've worked hard to put it together, >> >> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >> with VoiceOver >> >> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >> beneficial knowledge. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>> >>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>> >>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>> >>>>> DFTBA! >>>>> >>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>> >>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially >>>>>> able or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have >>>&g
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
you got that wrong it is sanders who is promossing to give everything for free > On Feb 28, 2016, at 19:50 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he > will make everything and even the air you breathe free. > > You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you > do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might > remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>> I see both sides of this argument. >>> >>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available >>> means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. >>> However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It >>> probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do >>> other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem >>> compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and >>> full of useful knowledge. >>> >>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. >>> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may >>> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I >>> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to >>> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if >>> they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>> >>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>> >>> DFTBA! >>> >>> John D. Lipsey >>> >>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>> Devin Prater >>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>>>clearly knows it inside-out. >>>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>>>application. >>>>>You can learn more about the book here >>>>><http://mosen.or
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Just a thought: if you all feel so passionately that an author shouldn't be paid for her work, why not use the resources there are--including buying that book--and become experts yourselves? Then you can freely share all the knowledge you like. > On Feb 29, 2016, at 02:21, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't > need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. > > On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth >> anything to you or your family? >> >> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing >> this guide, >> >> They've worked hard to put it together, >> >> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac >> with VoiceOver >> >> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is >> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing >> beneficial knowledge. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>> >>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>> >>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>> >>>>> DFTBA! >>>>> >>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>> >>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially >>>>>> able or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podca
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth > anything to you or your family? > > I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing > this guide, > > They've worked hard to put it together, > > And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw > Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac > with VoiceOver > > Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is > freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing > beneficial knowledge. > > On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >> >>You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >> true? >> >> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>> >>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>> >>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>>> >>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>> >>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>> >>>> DFTBA! >>>> >>>> John D. Lipsey >>>> >>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially >>>>> able or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have >>>>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I >>>>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >&
RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything to you or your family? I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing this guide, They've worked hard to put it together, And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial knowledge. On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then > maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. > >You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, > if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then > you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were > true? > > On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>> I see both sides of this argument. >>> >>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and >>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>> >>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>> >>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>> >>> DFTBA! >>> >>> John D. Lipsey >>> >>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially >>>> able or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have >>>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I >>>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>> Devin Prater >>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful >>>>> people on >>>>> this list, particularly when it com
RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Remember guys and girls, Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be creaming his cut also off the top of this. Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially when the book is probably a great resource. As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really needs to be. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: > I see both sides of this argument. > > On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means > that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, > I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably > requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things > for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody > for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. > > Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover > to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of > its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 > may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s > not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like > this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices > from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that > much for this knowledge. > > That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. > > DFTBA! > > John D. Lipsey > > mail: johnl1...@gmail.com > > Twitter: @J_TGL > >> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >> >> >> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was >>> very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>> >>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>> Devin Prater >>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>clearly knows it inside-out. >>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>application. >>>You can learn more about the book here >>><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>>real need out there. >>>Jonathan Mosen >>>Mosen Consulting >>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >>> >>>-- >>>The following information is important for all members of the >>>Mac Visionaries list. >>> >>>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>list, or if you feel that a member's post i
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial knowledge. On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then > maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. > >You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, > if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you > might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >> >> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>> I see both sides of this argument. >>> >>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together >>> is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the >>> author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their >>> family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as >>> long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. >>> >>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices >>> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to >>> charge that much for this knowledge. >>> >>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>> >>> DFTBA! >>> >>> John D. Lipsey >>> >>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able >>>> or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>> instructors >>>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very >>>>> unprepared >>>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>> Devin Prater >>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful >>>>> people on >>>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge >>>>> into an >>>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has >>>>> published >>>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I didn't demand that the book be free. I just have a hope that they'd do guides or podcasts on Applevis for it. Some people don't like having to read through large chunks of information, some like listening to podcasts, and others just don't feel that knowledge that sighted people can ascertain from looking at videos and all for free, should cost almost as much as a video game, for blind people to use a free application. I know, if I don't like the price, find an alternative. But the sad truth is, there are no alternatives that I know of. I was embarrassed so much when I couldn't teach the instructor how to use pages more than doing basic formatting. It made me, and the whole Mac system, look even worse than it originally did to the assistant instructor. Now, the assistant "hates the Mac" and I couldn't do anything more to help sway his opinion. Sent from Outlook Mobile. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:41 PM -0800, "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: As soon as the people who spend all of their time and resources to make this stuff available don't have to buy groceries or pay rent or utilities, then I will agree with you. Until then, pay the 35 bucks or stop complaining. Why is it that there are so many blind people who think they are owed everything that other people put their time and effort into for nothing? If you can afford to buy a Mac or an iPhone, you can afford 35 bucks for a book that is going to help you use pages if you really need to use pages. And if somebody gave you the Mac and or the iPhone, all the more reason why you shouldn't mind spending 35 bucks on a good professional resource. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > > $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to > everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the > ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. > >> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >> I see both sides of this argument. >> >> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means >> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, >> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably >> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other >> things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating >> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >> knowledge. >> >> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. >> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may >> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I >> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to >> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they >> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >> >> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >> >> DFTBA! >> >> John D. Lipsey >> >> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >> >> Twitter: @J_TGL >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> >>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile . >>>> Devin Prater >>>> d.pra...@me.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>&
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. DFTBA! John D. Lipsey mail: johnl1...@gmail.com Twitter: @J_TGL On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application. You can learn more about the book here <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@goog
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
As soon as the people who spend all of their time and resources to make this stuff available don't have to buy groceries or pay rent or utilities, then I will agree with you. Until then, pay the 35 bucks or stop complaining. Why is it that there are so many blind people who think they are owed everything that other people put their time and effort into for nothing? If you can afford to buy a Mac or an iPhone, you can afford 35 bucks for a book that is going to help you use pages if you really need to use pages. And if somebody gave you the Mac and or the iPhone, all the more reason why you shouldn't mind spending 35 bucks on a good professional resource. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to > everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the > ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. > >> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >> I see both sides of this argument. >> >> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means >> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, >> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably >> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other >> things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating >> somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >> knowledge. >> >> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. >> Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may >> be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I >> could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to >> expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they >> ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >> >> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >> >> DFTBA! >> >> John D. Lipsey >> >> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >> >> Twitter: @J_TGL >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>>> to help them make a course for it. >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>> Devin Prater >>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>> application. >>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>>> real need out there. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: > I see both sides of this argument. > > On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means > that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, > I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably > requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things > for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody > for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. > > Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover > to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of > its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 > may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s > not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like > this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices > from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that > much for this knowledge. > > That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. > > DFTBA! > > John D. Lipsey > > mail: johnl1...@gmail.com > > Twitter: @J_TGL > >> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. >> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which >> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. >> >> >> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >>> to help them make a course for it. >>> >>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>> Devin Prater >>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>clearly knows it inside-out. >>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>application. >>>You can learn more about the book here >>><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>>real need out there. >>>Jonathan Mosen >>>Mosen Consulting >>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >>> >>>-- >>>The following information is important for all members of the >>>Mac Visionaries list. >>> >>>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>posting on the list itself. >>> >>>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your >>>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>--- >>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I see both sides of this argument. On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge. Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of its information into training sessions as appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this knowledge. That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. DFTBA! John D. Lipsey mail: johnl1...@gmail.com Twitter: @J_TGL > On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. > Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which > would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. > > > On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a >> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors >> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared >> to help them make a course for it. >> >> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >> Devin Prater >> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on >>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>clearly knows it inside-out. >>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband >>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an >>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published >>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over >>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>application. >>You can learn more about the book here >><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a >>real need out there. >>Jonathan Mosen >>Mosen Consulting >>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >> >>-- >>The following information is important for all members of the >>Mac Visionaries list. >> >>If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>posting on the list itself. >> >>Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your >>owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >>The archives for this list can be searched at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>--- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>To post to this group, send email to >>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be. Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not. On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: > I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a > free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors > know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared > to help them make a course for it. > > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. > Devin Prater > d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" > <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: > > Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on > this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She > clearly knows it inside-out. > Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband > Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an > eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published > it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over > 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the > application. > You can learn more about the book here > <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. > Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a > real need out there. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the > Mac Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, > please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than > posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your > owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the > list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is > Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concer
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. Sent from Outlook Mobile. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote: Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out.Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application.You can learn more about the book here.Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there. Jonathan MosenMosen ConsultingBlindness technology eBooks, tutorials and traininghttp://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this > list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it > inside-out. > Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would > be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to > do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My > Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the > most of the application. > You can learn more about the book here > <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. > Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need > out there. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver
Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it inside-out. Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the application. You can learn more about the book here <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need out there. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello Donald, “Mastering the Macintosh with VoiceOver” by Tim Sniffen is available from the iTunes Store. Here is the link: <https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/mastering-macintosh-voiceover/id899197795?l=en=11 <https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/mastering-macintosh-voiceover/id899197795?l=en=11>> Cheers, Anne > On 25 Sep 2015, at 04:16, Donald Goosens <donald.goos...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Wher e >> do you acquire this free book?On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson >> <a...@anarchie.org.uk <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >> >> Hello Craig, >> >> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by >> Tim Sniffen. >> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s >> full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, everyone. >>> >>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a >>> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and >>> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles >>> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to >>> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go >>> searching for specific links. >>> >>> Thanks for all help. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Wher e > do you acquire this free book?On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson > <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > Hello Craig, > > You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by > Tim Sniffen. > This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s > full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello, everyone. >> >> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a basic >> understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and >> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles >> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to >> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go >> searching for specific links. >> >> Thanks for all help. >> >> Craig >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello Craig, VO-F3 should tell you what page you’re on. If you set the zoom to 200% VO-F4-F4 will give you a pretty close approximation to where the insertion point is on the page. I’m a bit confused about what you mean by Column number. If you have two or three columns across the page, you can see exactly what they look like by going to the Formatter. You can set hotspots in the Formatter on information of interest to you such as X and Y coordinates or column width. Cheers, Anne > On 20 Sep 2015, at 00:05, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Very true, Anne, but I'm afraid I want something more specific. If I could > make Pages announce line, page, and column number, I would have a very good > idea of where I am in a document. This would come in handy, for instance, if > I were writing a short document, and I wanted to to space it out prettily so > that it took up most of the page. > > Craig > > > On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: > Craig, if you stop interacting, VO will tell you which page you’re on and how > many pages are in the document. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:39, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> Hello, Anne. >> >> Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having >> now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am >> searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion >> pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information >> about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would. >> >> Craig >> >> >> On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote: >> Hello Craig, >> >> Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the menus >> to find the short cuts. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have >>> Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard >>> shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not >>> immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his >>> explanations and the thoroughness of his approach. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk <>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Craig, >>>> >>>> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by >>>> Tim Sniffen. >>>> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s >>>> full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, everyone. >>>>> >>>>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a >>>>> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding >>>>> and replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend >>>>> articles or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general >>>>> information as to where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect >>>>> anyone to go searching for specific links. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all help. >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For m
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello, Anne, and thanks for staying with me as we pursue my question. I can wholly understand your confusion over my use of the word “column.” Some Windows-based word processors refer to a column as simply a space occupied by a character of text or a space proper. I am not talking about a tabular column. Thus, if a line were to begin with the word “train,” the “r” would occupy the second column of the line. Setting the zoom to 200% does make it easier for me to tell the relative position of the insertion point on a page of text. I must say that I still prefer precise information as to the line number on which the insertion pointer sits. For instance, let’s assume that I am writing a letter in a style allowing for forty lines per page. If I can quickly check my cursor position, and if that check results in the line number being read, I know exactly how many lines I have before a page break. I find this information helpful when spacing out a document. In time, no doubt, I will get used to the relative position indications in inches announced by Pages. I think we can probably put this thread to rest with many thanks for your dogged persistence. :-) Craig > On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > Hello Craig, > > VO-F3 should tell you what page you’re on. > If you set the zoom to 200% VO-F4-F4 will give you a pretty close > approximation to where the insertion point is on the page. > I’m a bit confused about what you mean by Column number. If you have two or > three columns across the page, you can see exactly what they look like by > going to the Formatter. You can set hotspots in the Formatter on information > of interest to you such as X and Y coordinates or column width. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 20 Sep 2015, at 00:05, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Very true, Anne, but I'm afraid I want something more specific. If I could >> make Pages announce line, page, and column number, I would have a very good >> idea of where I am in a document. This would come in handy, for instance, if >> I were writing a short document, and I wanted to to space it out prettily so >> that it took up most of the page. >> >> Craig >> >> >> On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >> Craig, if you stop interacting, VO will tell you which page you’re on and >> how many pages are in the document. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:39, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Anne. >>> >>> Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having >>> now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am >>> searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion >>> pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information >>> about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote: >>> Hello Craig, >>> >>> Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the menus >>> to find the short cuts. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have >>>> Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard >>>> shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not >>>> immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his >>>> explanations and the thoroughness of his approach. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk <>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Craig, >>>>> >>>>> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” >>>>> by Tim Sniffen. >>>>> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but >>>>> it’s full of use
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
eeb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I >>>>>>> have Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a >>>>>>> keyboard shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is >>>>>>> not immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his >>>>>>> explanations and the thoroughness of his approach. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Craig, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the >>>>>>>> Macintosh” by Tim Sniffen. >>>>>>>> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but >>>>>>>> it’s full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, everyone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only >>>>>>>>> a basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; >>>>>>>>> finding and replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone >>>>>>>>> recommend articles or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying >>>>>>>>> general information as to where these resources are will suffice. I >>>>>>>>> don't expect anyone to go searching for specific links. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for all help. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are sub
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his explanations and the thoroughness of his approach. Craig > On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > Hello Craig, > > You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by > Tim Sniffen. > This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s > full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello, everyone. >> >> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a basic >> understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and >> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles >> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to >> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go >> searching for specific links. >> >> Thanks for all help. >> >> Craig >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello Craig, Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the menus to find the short cuts. Cheers, Anne > On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have Tim > Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard shortcut > person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not immediately useable > to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his explanations and the > thoroughness of his approach. > > Craig > > >> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >> >> Hello Craig, >> >> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by >> Tim Sniffen. >> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s >> full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, everyone. >>> >>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a >>> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and >>> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles >>> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to >>> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go >>> searching for specific links. >>> >>> Thanks for all help. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello, Anne. Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would. Craig On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > Hello Craig, > > Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the > menus to find the short cuts. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have > Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard > shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not > immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his > explanations and the thoroughness of his approach. > > Craig > > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote: > > Hello Craig, > > You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by > Tim Sniffen. > This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s > full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > Hello, everyone. > > I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a > basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and > replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles > or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to > where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go > searching for specific links. > > Thanks for all help. > > Craig > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');> > . > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');> > . > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');> > . > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');> > . > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Craig, if you stop interacting, VO will tell you which page you’re on and how many pages are in the document. Cheers, Anne > On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:39, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, Anne. > > Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having now > is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am > searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion > pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information > about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would. > > Craig > > > On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: > Hello Craig, > > Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the menus > to find the short cuts. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have Tim >> Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard shortcut >> person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not immediately >> useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his explanations and the >> thoroughness of his approach. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Craig, >>> >>> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by >>> Tim Sniffen. >>> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s >>> full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, everyone. >>>> >>>> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a >>>> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding >>>> and replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend >>>> articles or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general >>>> information as to where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect >>>> anyone to go searching for specific links. >>>> >>>> Thanks for all help. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from t
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Very true, Anne, but I'm afraid I want something more specific. If I could make Pages announce line, page, and column number, I would have a very good idea of where I am in a document. This would come in handy, for instance, if I were writing a short document, and I wanted to to space it out prettily so that it took up most of the page. Craig On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > Craig, if you stop interacting, VO will tell you which page you’re on and > how many pages are in the document. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:39, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','coffeeb...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > Hello, Anne. > > Right now, I'm doing pretty well wisth Pages. The only problem I'm having > now is not being able to tell where I am in a document. The command I am > searching for would tell me the page, line, and column number the insertion > pointer is on. VO F4 F4 was suggested, but although it supplies information > about position, it does not tell me what I wish it would. > > Craig > > > On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@anarchie.org.uk');>> wrote: > >> Hello Craig, >> >> Can you explain your difficulties with Pages? Remember to look at the >> menus to find the short cuts. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 19 Sep 2015, at 14:36, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you, Anne, for your response. I should have mentioned that I have >> Tim Sniffen’s book, and it is indeed helpful. I’m more of a keyboard >> shortcut person than a trackpad user, so some of the advice is not >> immediately useable to me; but I appreciate the clear style of his >> explanations and the thoroughness of his approach. >> >> Craig >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >> >> Hello Craig, >> >> You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” >> by Tim Sniffen. >> This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but >> it’s full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, everyone. >> >> I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a >> basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and >> replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles >> or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to >> where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go >> searching for specific links. >> >> Thanks for all help. >> >> Craig >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen
Re: Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello Craig, You could do worse than to get the free iBook “Mastering the Macintosh” by Tim Sniffen. This book approaches the Mac from the perspective of an iOS user, but it’s full of useful information. And, of course, it’s free! Cheers, Anne > On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:54, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, everyone. > > I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a basic > understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and > replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles or > podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to > where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go searching > for specific links. > > Thanks for all help. > > Craig > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Learning Pages for the Mac
Hello, everyone. I am about to start learning Pages for the Mac. For now, I seek only a basic understanding: creating a document; changing type styles; finding and replacing text; writing a basic header, etc. Can anyone recommend articles or podcasts that might be helpful? Even supplying general information as to where these resources are will suffice. I don't expect anyone to go searching for specific links. Thanks for all help. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Currently, you cannot do what you are attempting. Pages is designed to work in pages format. When one is completely finished with the document, one then exports it to word format should one desire to do so. This is all part of the competition between Apple and Microsoft for the office spaces of the world. I do not expect it to change any time soon considering Apple's new data continuity initiative where data will transfer seamlessly between Apple products. I remember how people had very similar complaints when Word's .doc format started encroaching on the then dominant Word Perfect. Given Apple's unparalleled commitment to universal access, I hope they are successful and unseat MS Word. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 6:54, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hello Daniel, What you need to understand is that Pages is an Apple proprietory format and it is just a concession to the fact that many people need to share files with MS Office users that we can save in Word format. So, no, you can never set Pages to save automatically in Word format and it will never happen. Perhaps one day Office for Mac will become accessible, but until then, you'll just have to do what everyone else does and export to Word when you've finished working on a document you wish to share with non-Mac users. I hope this is clear, but I'm sure Tim Kilburn already explained this to you. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:52, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hello David and Anne, thank you both for explaining to me how Pages works when dealing with word documents. I pretty much thought this would be the case when Tim told me too. However, I'm glad I posted again to get more than one opinion. I'd just like to ask another question which I'm sure I already know the answer to but I'll ask anyway just to clarify. When one receives a word document, say as an email attachment and the recipient wants to make changes to it, does he or she saves the doc as pages format and once there done, export the changed document back into word from saving in pages native format and sends it back to them. A bit long winded at explaining it but I hope it makes sense. One last question if I may and this one is certainly easier than the last. Basically, when exporting Pages into word documents which file format would you recommend now between .doc or .docx I know that .doc is a lot older now, I've been saving as that for as long as I can remember purely for compatibility sakes between systems that may still have the older office version around. I really appreciate all your help and advice with this. It has made it a lot easier to accept and just I guess accept, how Pages works. I will get use to it. I just needed that more than one opinion. Daniel On 1 Jul 2014, at 07:48, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Daniel, What you need to understand is that Pages is an Apple proprietory format and it is just a concession to the fact that many people need to share files with MS Office users that we can save in Word format. So, no, you can never set Pages to save automatically in Word format and it will never happen. Perhaps one day Office for Mac will become accessible, but until then, you'll just have to do what everyone else does and export to Word when you've finished working on a document you wish to share with non-Mac users. I hope this is clear, but I'm sure Tim Kilburn already explained this to you. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:52, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using Pages on the Mac
Hi, You can hide or show the header and footer by moving vo to the body area and pressing vo-space. You save to another format from file/export. You can scroll the insertion point to a page with option-page up or option-page down. Make sure the insertion point is in the body area. Hope that helps. On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:23:23 PM UTC-6, Andrew Head wrote: Hi all, I am using an 11 inch macbook air, and have some questions about pages. 1. How do you hide the header and footer group? I only want my document text to show on screen. 2. Also, I have a microsoft word document, I am editing, when I save it, How do I save it in the word format? The only format I see is pages. , how do I select other formats to save documents in? 3. How do you move page by page in a document? say I want to move through my document page by page from page 1, 2, 3, etc Any help is appreciated. Andrew. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using Pages on the Mac
In addition to hiding header and footer, check the setup box in the toolbar and go into the formatter. Then in document setup, uncheck the enable header and footer check boxes. It occurred to me that this might be more what you need to do for this. On Nov 6, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You can hide or show the header and footer by moving vo to the body area and pressing vo-space. You save to another format from file/export. You can scroll the insertion point to a page with option-page up or option-page down. Make sure the insertion point is in the body area. Hope that helps. On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:23:23 PM UTC-6, Andrew Head wrote: Hi all, I am using an 11 inch macbook air, and have some questions about pages. 1. How do you hide the header and footer group? I only want my document text to show on screen. 2. Also, I have a microsoft word document, I am editing, when I save it, How do I save it in the word format? The only format I see is pages. , how do I select other formats to save documents in? 3. How do you move page by page in a document? say I want to move through my document page by page from page 1, 2, 3, etc Any help is appreciated. Andrew. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Using Pages on the Mac
Hi all, I am using an 11 inch macbook air, and have some questions about pages. 1. How do you hide the header and footer group? I only want my document text to show on screen. 2. Also, I have a microsoft word document, I am editing, when I save it, How do I save it in the word format? The only format I see is pages. , how do I select other formats to save documents in? 3. How do you move page by page in a document? say I want to move through my document page by page from page 1, 2, 3, etc Any help is appreciated. Andrew. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using Pages on the Mac
Hi Andrew, I think you have to export to MS Word format. It’s a separate item somewhere, not in the save dialog. I haven’t really used pages much, though I keep meaning to, so others on this list will be more help to you. But maybe this steers you in the right direction. Lisette On 6/11/2013, at 1:23 pm, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi all, I am using an 11 inch macbook air, and have some questions about pages. 1. How do you hide the header and footer group? I only want my document text to show on screen. 2. Also, I have a microsoft word document, I am editing, when I save it, How do I save it in the word format? The only format I see is pages. , how do I select other formats to save documents in? 3. How do you move page by page in a document? say I want to move through my document page by page from page 1, 2, 3, etc Any help is appreciated. Andrew. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Pages for the Mac.
I tried buying I work through the App store. but all were individual prices. Anyone know how to buy Keynote and Numbers together? What do you mean e-mailing docs to I Cloud? Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Oct 2011, at 10:53 PM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: DOn't quote me on this, but I think the kluge workaround is to use the iWorks beta site, which can be accessed through the apps in the iWorks suite such as Pages. I know APple is working on a new version of the iWorks package and I would anticipate full iCloud integration. So for now you may have to punish yourself and do the e-mail thing, but hopefully soon APple wil have iWorks updated, more accessible, and integrated with iCloud. Hey, how do you like pages on the iOS platform? I now have all of the iWOrks apps and they are really starting to show promise. There is work to do yet, but progress has been made. I was even able to work with a PowerPoint presentation. Now I would not say I did much to impress anyone, but I could at least read the file and make some edits; all be it a little basic and messy. :) Scott On Oct 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I bought Pages for the Mac although I did buy Pages for the I phone. My question is, if I import all my word documents into pages, is there are a way to save them in I cloud? Any help will be appreciated. Kawal. ___ Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawa...@me.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
