Re: Moving windows in Maemo
ext Sean Luke wrote: On Apr 12, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Tapani Pälli wrote: The *right* thing would be to make all maemo dialogs and notifcations: 1. Resiable 2. Movable 3. Persistent (so next time you reopen the app, the dialog is pops up in exactly the size and place you put it last time) This would allow users to adjust dialogs and notifications as they prefer. Yes, this is *right* thing for someone, something else is *right* thing for someone else. Persistency sounds good to me, however I don't see much reason in moving modal dialogs on the screen except 'just for fun'. Moving's not a big deal. Resizing is a *big* deal. Many of your dialogs are too small, or they obscure what we're operating on. At any rate, the bigger problem is that existing dialogs are not permitted to be movable or resizable even if it's helpful to the developer. I'm sorry but I don't see this as a problem. It's more work for the user to start resizing and moving a dialog than just filling in the information what dialog requests. In my opinion we have probably too much dialogs in the first place, but I'm not the UI designer ... Resizing dialogs assumes that they all have scrollable and resizable content. Layout of the content has been carefully designed and will very likely 'break' when dialog is resized unless content is packed in a scrollable widget. In fact you can try this with several desktop apps and see how they break. Correct me here, as I'm not in a spot right now where I can do a test, but if I recall, dialogs can't be resized or moved. Why not make this an option, and let the developer choose it or not? And further, have the windows stay where the user put them? I mean try some linux distribution with Gtk programs, resize them and you'll see that in some of them layout can change quite much depending on the size of the window. You would get same kind of behaviour with resizable dialogs, weirdish looking layouts + sometimes not having scrollbars and only seeing part of contents .. of course this can be solved with modifications to applications. Sean // Tapani ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 0xFFFF: GPL-licensed flasher for n770 and n800
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 09:23 +0300, ext Daniel Stone wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 06:59:55PM -0700, ext Carl Worth wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:07:33 +0200, pancake wrote: The past week I released a gpl-licensed flasher for both Nokia Internet Tablets. Fantastic! I've been very much looking forward to the time where there would be instructions for downloading an entirely Free flasher and Free image to flash to bring the unit into a bootable state from scratch. So this addresses an essential missing piece in that. What else might be missing? Depends on what you mean by 'from scratch'. If the unit does not have a bootloader _at all_, then you need to flash a bootloader via JTAG. But that's mildly convoluted. Serial console is the usual way to go. There is rom code that provides this facility. Of course a serial programmer (aka flasher) is needed. What elements go into the Nokia fiasco image that cannot be built from Free source? The bootloaders (xloader, 2nd, secondary). Of those, which must not be left out in order to have a bootable device? If your device already has bootloaders, you don't need to flash them again, but you do need to execute this piece of non-free code every time you boot, or flash. The alternative would be for us to publish the required mux settings and so on. Which i think is pretty silly that we haven't done so far. Disabling muxing in kernel as we are doing now, certainly doesn't prevent one from usinig the kernel to write directly to the supposedly inaccessible registers. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Installing NFS
I have also some problem with nfs, I have installed nfs-common and rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules, portmap start, the modules load: Module Size Used by nfs 227248 0 - Live 0xbf0b8000 lockd 61396 1 nfs, Live 0xbf0a8000 sunrpc 146048 2 nfs,lockd, Live 0xbf083000 But I cannot mount a nfs: # mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/tmp /media/nfs mount: Mounting 192.168.1.1:/tmp on /media/nfs failed: Invalid argument I previously tried the kernel Linux N800 with Ext2/3, smbfs and nfs with builtin nfs, and got the same result. Does anybody can truly achieve an nfs mount ? Marc On 4/10/07, Jeffrey Barish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frantisek Dufka wrote: In fact you don't need another kernel. You just need nfs kernel modules. I think they are in bora repository so you can apt-get them on device [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] apt-cache search nfs rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules - NFS modules for rx-34 kernel nfs-common - NFS support files common to client and server portmap - The RPC portmapper I like this suggestion, but the nfs-common package is broken: The following packages have unmet dependencies: nfs-common: Depends: adduser but it is not installable E: Broken packages ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
closed stuff Re: 0xFFFF: GPL-licensed flasher for n770 and n800
Daniel Stone wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 06:59:55PM -0700, ext Carl Worth wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:07:33 +0200, pancake wrote: The past week I released a gpl-licensed flasher for both Nokia Internet Tablets. Fantastic! I've been very much looking forward to the time where there would be instructions for downloading an entirely Free flasher and Free image to flash to bring the unit into a bootable state from scratch. So this addresses an essential missing piece in that. What else might be missing? Depends on what you mean by 'from scratch'. If the unit does not have a bootloader _at all_, then you need to flash a bootloader via JTAG. But that's mildly convoluted. What elements go into the Nokia fiasco image that cannot be built from Free source? The bootloaders (xloader, 2nd, secondary). And the initfs too. Without it it is hard to initialize wi-fi nad bt chips properly. Of those, which must not be left out in order to have a bootable device? For beginning the most practical and easiest thing is to start with completely free rootfs and go down (initfs,bootloader) when you hit problems or have plenty of time. Kernel is free to modify too but (closed) wi-fi modules depend on it so you can't deviate too much. It looks like you also need to have bme running in your free solution for charging to work. At boot time you also need dsme but I guess/hope it can be killed once it does its job of letting initfs stuff work and you have replacement for the dsme part that keeps the HW watchdog happy. Killing it gives you control of display brightness and blanking. What dsme manages can be guessed from names of libraries in /mnt/initfs/usr/lib/dsme/ For list of critical closed stuff and some explanations check also discussion below http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/229838/6d98406660425a0e/ When you solve the practical problem of having the system running you will also have redistribution problem for closed parts which you still need. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: closed stuff Re: 0xFFFF: GPL-licensed flasher for n770 and n800
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:11:34AM +0200, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Daniel Stone wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 06:59:55PM -0700, ext Carl Worth wrote: What elements go into the Nokia fiasco image that cannot be built from Free source? The bootloaders (xloader, 2nd, secondary). And the initfs too. Without it it is hard to initialize wi-fi nad bt chips properly. Ah, I thought the initfs source was public. Apparently not. Kernel is free to modify too but (closed) wi-fi modules depend on it so you can't deviate too much. Well, only umac.ko, and Kalle has a public cx3110x project, so you should be able to rebuild it to run on whichever kernel you create? It looks like you also need to have bme running in your free solution for charging to work. This is true. At boot time you also need dsme but I guess/hope it can be killed once it does its job of letting initfs stuff work and you have replacement for the dsme part that keeps the HW watchdog happy. Killing it gives you control of display brightness and blanking. What dsme manages can be guessed from names of libraries in /mnt/initfs/usr/lib/dsme/ Indeed, most of DSME can be relatively trivially reimplemented. There are very few parts which require actual reverse-engineering; the main part, I'd imagine, would be the Retu RTC. The rest (e.g. display blanking) is already publicly documented. Cheers, Daniel signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moving windows in Maemo
Hi, ext Levi Bard wrote: If infoprints could be dismissed by simply clicking on them, you wouldn't have any problems. I second this suggestion. No need for a close button, just make it go away when I tap it. Good suggestion, I don't see any problems with that (app is not managing the infoprints, they can disappear whenever they want to, only progress banners are controlled by the application) Could you make a bug (enhancement request) about this to Maemo Bugzilla? - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
On 4/12/07, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unable to install: some application packages required for the installation are missing. Given that's just some misconfigured/misdocumented third party repo/deb, you can get those messages in any deb/apt based Linux current distribution so that's quite unfair to the app manager application. It doesn't matter what the technical cause is, the repository situation is a mess. Debian and Ubuntu don't have this problem by better centralising, delegating and testing their packages through a single build system. I worry that the Extras Repo is both too hard to upload to *and* too unregulated. For example, instead of porting a library like libsoup once, it's ported by Canola, it's ported for GPE etc. The end-user then suffers the problems caused by this lack of co-ordination. Yes, the original LWN article suggests it's the Application Manager's fault, but getting that corrected to point out the chaotic situation of an ever-expanding set of (potentially incompatible) repositories is a minor difference in an otherwise valid point. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moving windows in Maemo
Hi, ext Sean Luke wrote: By the time user was able to start moving notifications, they go away (within 3 secs I think). As I've already mentioned, I've found at least two counterexamples to this in Nokia's own apps: the most famous being the email deletion notification. If you're going to allow applications to treat notifications as non-modal (which Nokia has), then they MUST be movable. While we're on the topic of notifications, 3 seconds is a LONG TIME to wait when you're moving fast to do something. The problem here is that Nokia regularly conflates two different kinds of messages as notifications: 1. REAL notifications of finished operations, like email loaded 2. Dialogs which inform you of an operation ONGOING, like deleting directory... #2 of course might have to be modal depending on the operation. But #1 NEVER has to be modal, I don't understand. Infoprints are never modal, they don't even take focus. and indeed the fact that it's sitting there for 3 seconds or whatever, making me wait before I can do something for no reason at all, is really quite surprisingly irritating. For example, the touch screen and buttons activated notification is VERY irritating -- once I have unlocked my screen I must sit and wait for another 3 seconds before I'm permitted to actually do anything. Why? So I can read a notification which I've already seen a hundred million times. If this is really a case, please file a bug to the Maemo Bugzilla. What you should do is distinguish between these somehow. I personally would make all #2-style notifications modal, According to the device UI style, dialogs should be always modal (to application if there's an application window open). If they are not, please file a bug about those too. (you can refer to the UI stylesheet :-)) The only reason why user would want to resize a dialog (that I can think of) is to make it larger so that she can see more of its content. However, these kind of dialogs usually already take all the available space, so I don't see much point in that. This is simply not true. Almost *none* of your dialogs take close to all available space, and IMHO most of them are pretty bad when it comes to organization. I hope the Nokia UI designers are also reading this list... - The Font/Format selector could have been resized to a much larger size, eliminating unneccessary tab panes, allowing the user to choose his font from a list rather than a pop-up combo box (why is bold/italic/underline on a SECONDARY pane? sheesh), automatically showing the preview without the user having to press the preview button AND then the close button, etc. You wasted space badly there. Go get a Mac and look at its resizable, well-organized font panel. This is what Nokia should be emulating. - The Color Selector could be resized to permit more user swatches, - The Open File panel could have been made larger in both width and height, and here it'd really be useful. Such dialogs also have unnecessarily large tall title bars and waste a ton of valuable vertical space in the button row. Why are the buttons on the bottom in such a height-constrained dialog? - Likewise for Save panels - Contacts's Add Field dialog is miniscule, requiring a scrolling list for fields. I guess that's fine since Contacts only has FOUR OPTIONS there. Were Contacts to permit new fields (hello? Snail-mail address? Birthday? GPS? AIM? Anniversary? IRC Handle? Custom fields?), this window would be far too small. etc. If the dialog doesn't fill up the screen and is instead in a size that's not usable, that's a bug which should be reported separately. These problems are endemic, not specific. I'm not going to fill out bug reports for thirty different dialog boxes. Fact of life: Bugs that are not reported to bug tracking system do not exist. Maybe you could file a single bug about dialog sizes in general and list above items in it? Note that some of the dialogs have static sizes because Gtk doesn't always handle automatic resizing well enough. This is only a problem with text ellipsizing though I think. Gtk has only concepts of minimum (for ellipsizable text=...) and full size of a widget, as getting something reasonable in between would need a lot of iterating (slowdown) for the widget sizes. Why do your windows need to have live resizing? I'm not talking about user resizes, but calculating the dialog sizes. Did palms or Newtons ellipsize too long strings or were they only available in English? :-) - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Installing NFS
2007/4/13, marc zonzon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have also some problem with nfs, I have installed nfs-common and rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules, portmap start, the modules load: Module Size Used by nfs 227248 0 - Live 0xbf0b8000 lockd 61396 1 nfs, Live 0xbf0a8000 sunrpc 146048 2 nfs,lockd, Live 0xbf083000 But I cannot mount a nfs: # mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/tmp /media/nfs mount: Mounting 192.168.1.1:/tmp on /media/nfs failed: Invalid argument I previously tried the kernel Linux N800 with Ext2/3, smbfs and nfs with builtin nfs, and got the same result. Does anybody can truly achieve an nfs mount ? The mount command from busybox doesn't work with nfs, you need to install real mount. Fortunately, 'apt-get install mount' should do the trick. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Andrew Flegg schrieb: It doesn't matter what the technical cause is, the repository situation is a mess. Debian and Ubuntu don't have this problem by better centralising, delegating and testing their packages through a single build system. I worry that the Extras Repo is both too hard to upload to *and* too unregulated. For example, instead of porting a library like libsoup once, it's ported by Canola, it's ported for GPE etc. The end-user then suffers the problems caused by this lack of co-ordination. There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. It's also confusing that many 3rd party applications never actually find their way in the central repository, be they official or non-supported. (My Ubuntu desktop box also uses some non-official sources, but its sources-list is still far shorter than the one on my N800.) Maemo needs a release manager. The release manager should coordinate that interesting apps find packagers who take care of making them available for all current flavors of the IT OS distributions. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Hi, ext pancake wrote: hehehe an apt-like upgrades would be really nice! Another thing that I really miss from each nokia firmware release is the lack of commandline tools like ping, telnet(or nc), gunzip... Isn't gunzip already available from busybox? - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Installing NFS
Thanks for the hint I am accustomed to use busybox to mount nfs on openwrt, so I didn't think that the given busybox was not handling nfs. But when I test the apt-get for mount It pretend to upgrade my busybox with a 3:1.1.3-3.sdk3 release and I don't know if it is secure to do it, is this busybox release only for the scratchbox on can we use it on the device? what happen to the busybox in rom? Thank you for your help Marc - # apt-get -s install mount Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: busybox libblkid1 libuuid1 The following NEW packages will be installed: libblkid1 libuuid1 mount The following packages will be upgraded: busybox 1 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Inst libblkid1 (1.37-2sarge1 repository.maemo.org) Conf libblkid1 (1.37-2sarge1 repository.maemo.org) Inst libuuid1 (1.37-2sarge1 repository.maemo.org) Conf libuuid1 (1.37-2sarge1 repository.maemo.org) Inst busybox [3:1.1.3-3.osso17] (3:1.1.3-3.sdk3 repository.maemo.org) [] Inst mount (2.12p-4sarge1.osso2 repository.maemo.org) Conf mount (2.12p-4sarge1.osso2 repository.maemo.org) Conf busybox (3:1.1.3-3.sdk3 repository.maemo.org) On 4/13/07, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mount command from busybox doesn't work with nfs, you need to install real mount. Fortunately, 'apt-get install mount' should do the trick. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 0xFFFF: GPL-licensed flasher for n770 and n800
Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Disabling muxing in kernel as we are doing now, certainly doesn't prevent one from usinig the kernel to write directly to the supposedly inaccessible registers. Most definitely not. I've desoldered the audio chip from a couple of Nokia 770s and replaced it with a GPS radio instead turning the device into a software GPS. And getting that to work required changing the mux registers. :-) /Christer -- Just how much can I get away with and still go to heaven? Christer Weinigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.weinigel.se ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
scummvm, Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Hanno Zulla wrote: There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. Who is the third one? First was Tomas Junnonen who started with 0.8.0. http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/ He also enabled only scummvm suggesting that others should compile it themselves if they want another engines. Then I continued where he left and enabled more engines and updated it from 0.8.1 to current stable 0.9.1. See http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#scummvm The same package is also in extras repository (from the time when there was only one). This was later renamed to mistral one and others appeared. In fact same .deb package works in all IT2006 and 2007 releases and so far I was lazy to upload same package to all repositories that appered later (2.1,2.2,3.x). There is problem with making source package that could be uploaded and automatically build since currently scummvm does not compile completely out of box. One file in Kyrandia engine causes internal compiler error so it must be compiled with different flags (-O3 works, -O2 and -Os not) and I do it by hand (copy/paste/change) when building the package. So is there anyone else porting scummvm too? Let me know so we don't waste time doing same work. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scummvm, Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Frantisek Dufka schrieb: Hanno Zulla wrote: There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. Who is the third one? https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-February/000115.html In fact same .deb package works in all IT2006 and 2007 releases Yes, thanks a lot! Just finished Monkey Island Part 3 with it (*). ScummVM is a great program and I'm very happy having it. (* Mostly. There where two scenes in the game, where I couldn't continue without a two-button mouse. MI1 and MI2 were no problem, though.) Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scummvm, Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Frantisek Dufka schrieb: There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. First was Tomas Junnonen who started with 0.8.0. [..] Then I continued where he left and enabled more engines and updated it from 0.8.1 to current stable 0.9.1. Sorry. I wasn't aware that yours wasn't a seperate attempt, but a continuation. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Hildon Desktop for desktop Linux? Anybody tried yet?
Hello, Has anybody tried to compile Hildon Desktop for their Linux (e.g. Ubuntu?) yet? Lucas and I have blogged about it sometime ago. Any experiences/comments/questions/whatever to share? The instructions written by Lucas can be found through my lauchpad specification that I started when Lucas got some progress on his port: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hildon-desktop-for-ubuntu I think the Hildon Desktop would be pretty good for use as user interface for UMPCs, tablet PCs etc. running some Linux distro (if operated using the touch screen). Added benefit would be that the applets/plugins made for Nokia devices would also run on the PC and also the applets made for the PC would run on the Nokia device (python applets would run out of the box without recompilation even). Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Excel on Nokia N800
Hello, Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. Thanks, Best regards, Magda, ___ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Excel on Nokia N800
On Fri, April 13, 2007 13:14, magda chelly wrote: Hello, Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. I would try this link: http://docs.google.com/ - Niels ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SoC: 5 preliminary slots
On 4/12/07, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now it's confirmed: http://code.google.com/soc/maemo/about.html I just read about it, and can't say how much I'm happy right now, thanks! Now we need to talk about the project setup. A Garage project for every SoC project so everyone interested can join the discussion and follow the development? I tought this was the plan from the very beginning, no? btw, the google soc FAQ states the code should be uploaded to code.google.com, I don't know if they want all the development to take place there (it's unlikely, tough) (unfortunately I'll be without any reliable internet connection for about a week so sorry for my eventual silence) best regards, Paolo -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Excel on Nokia N800
On 13/04/07, Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2007 13:14, magda chelly wrote: Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. I would try this link: http://docs.google.com/ Why? It doesn't work. Even if you add browserok=true to the end of the URL it still doesn't load. Mangling the url to be http://docs.google.com/?browserok=true; shows the main docs page, but clicking on a document opens a new browser window that tells me the document doesn't exist. ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Excel on Nokia N800
On 4/13/07, magda chelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. Gnumeric should do the trick for Excel spreadsheets: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/gnumeric ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Excel on Nokia N800
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:14 +0200, ext magda chelly wrote: Hello, Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. This actually is more appropriate on the maemo-users list, but for excel-files try http://downloads.maemo.org/product/gnumeric You probably need to enable the excel-import/export plug-in if it is disabled by default. It works pretty okay. //Tuomas -- A: No Q: Should i quote this on the top? ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SoC: 5 preliminary slots
P. Durante wrote: On 4/12/07, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now we need to talk about the project setup. A Garage project for every SoC project so everyone interested can join the discussion and follow the development? I tought this was the plan from the very beginning, no? btw, the google soc FAQ states the code should be uploaded to code.google.com, I don't know if they want all the development to take place there (it's unlikely, tough) Uploading to code.google.com twice during the summer is enough. The only other requirement is that 'development must happen in the open', so Garage is fine. My proposal/plans are available at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GeoClue (any improvements are welcome). Maybe the other soc-students could upload theirs also? I know there's still six weeks until the official start and some students may actually have busy schedules until that point, but it can't hurt to start communicating early... br, Jussi -- Jussi Kukkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] jku in #maemo ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Excel on Nokia N800
Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. I typically work in PDF and text, and so don't have a good answer for your question. I'd like to point out that this thread would be _much_ more appropriate in maemo-users, though. I can't see how it even brushes up against a software development issue. Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moving windows in Maemo
If infoprints could be dismissed by simply clicking on them, you wouldn't have any problems. I second this suggestion. No need for a close button, just make it go away when I tap it. Good suggestion, I don't see any problems with that (app is not managing the infoprints, they can disappear whenever they want to, only progress banners are controlled by the application) Could you make a bug (enhancement request) about this to Maemo Bugzilla? https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1212 -- It doesn't take a nukular scientist to pronounce foilage! --Marge Simpson http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Installing NFS
Ok I installed the replacement busybox (which does not have the mount applet) and mount. And nfs works, I also checked that mount still works ok with ext3 mmc. Thank you I still don't understand why busybox does not use the option: CONFIG_FEATURE_MOUNT_NFS=y is there any reason to use a separate mount utility? A n800-nfs howto would be usefull. n800 with a small wireless attached disk is a very successful option and quite cheap. I use a wl-hdd+openwrt+optware (~150€) to get disk storage, UPnP medias, wired connectivity on my n800, and n800 with his 120Giga of storage is very nice. Marc But when I test the apt-get for mount It pretend to upgrade my busybox with a 3:1.1.3-3.sdk3 release and I don't know if it is secure to do it, is this busybox release only for the scratchbox on can we use it on the device? what happen to the busybox in rom? I'm not exactly sure why the version is sdk3, but at least I have installed that version on my device and have had no troubles from it. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
419 scams using my Maemo Bugzilla email address
Since I have my own domain I registered with Maemo Bugzilla using a unique email address. Unfortunately in the last few days I have begun receiving several 419 scam emails that are being sent to my Maemo Bugzilla email address. Are the scammers harvesting email addresses from Maemo Bugzilla, and can anything be done to prevent it? ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Retutime
Hi guys, I was to use retutime or similar to run a command every 5 minutes (or a different amount of time). I've tried searching around but all I seem to be able to find is information telling me it's possible but not actually how to do it. Can anyone give me a hand and offer a sample command to say run MyScript.sh every 5 minutes? Thanks, -- mg ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Retutime
Cron should do nicely for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crontab --Paul On 4/13/07, mrmg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I was to use retutime or similar to run a command every 5 minutes (or a different amount of time). I've tried searching around but all I seem to be able to find is information telling me it's possible but not actually how to do it. Can anyone give me a hand and offer a sample command to say run MyScript.sh every 5 minutes? Thanks, -- mg ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Excel on Nokia N800
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 01:14:05PM +0200, ext magda chelly wrote: Please could someone tell me what should I download to read excel and word files on my N800, and the give me the appropriate link. Magda, This question is definitely nothing to do with Maemo development. Many of your questions are best answered by the FAQ on maemo.org, or a quick search on Google. (We can't do everything for you. At some point, people will just start ignoring your mails -- I can tell you for a fact that some already are -- and you'll find it difficult to get help when you have a legitimate question.) In the future, please pay us some basic kind of respect by at least trying Google first, and then, if you search around for a while and fail to find an answer, please use maemo-users instead of maemo-developers: very few of your questions to date have actually been about development of the Maemo platform. Lastly, if you don't get an answer (or an answer you like), do not repost basically the same question again. It's a basic respect thing. I hope that maemo-users and Google help you find the answer to your questions, but maemo-developers is not the forum you want. ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext pancake wrote: hehehe an apt-like upgrades would be really nice! Another thing that I really miss from each nokia firmware release is the lack of commandline tools like ping, telnet(or nc), gunzip... Isn't gunzip already available from busybox? It is, see below. I opened a report so that the default busybox comes with a few more tools: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=989 ext pancake, You should register your requests here if you see useful missing tools. Laurent ~ $ /bin/busybox BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 3:1.1.3-3.osso17) multi-call binary Usage: busybox [function] [arguments]... or: [function] [arguments]... BusyBox is a multi-call binary that combines many common Unix utilities into a single executable. Most people will create a link to busybox for each function they wish to use and BusyBox will act like whatever it was invoked as! Currently defined functions: [, [[, ash, awk, basename, busybox, cat, chgrp, chmod, chown, chroot, chvt, clear, cmp, cp, cut, date, dd, df, dirname, dmesg, du, echo, egrep, env, expr, false, fgrep, find, free, fuser, getty, grep, gunzip, gzip, head, hostname, id, ifconfig, ifdown, ifup, insmod, kill, killall, last, ln, logger, login, ls, lsmod, mkdir, mkfifo, mknod, mkswap, mktemp, modprobe, more, mount, mv, netstat, nslookup, pivot_root, printf, ps, pwd, readlink, realpath, renice, reset, rm, rmdir, rmmod, route, run-parts, sed, seq, sh, sleep, sort, stty, su, swapoff, swapon, sync, sysctl, tail, tar, tee, test, time, top, touch, tr, true, tty, umount, uname, uniq, uptime, vi, wc, which, who, whoami, xargs, yes, zcat ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon Desktop for desktop Linux? Anybody tried yet?
On Friday 13 April 2007 07:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Has anybody tried to compile Hildon Desktop for their Linux (e.g. Ubuntu?) yet? Lucas and I have blogged about it sometime ago. Any experiences/comments/questions/whatever to share? I am getting some hardware to play with to do this very type of thing in a month or so. Not UMPC, but an Arm 9 and a touchscreen. I hope to be able to run hildon on it because I think it will be ideal for my needs (ubiquitious home computing) The instructions written by Lucas can be found through my lauchpad specification that I started when Lucas got some progress on his port: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hildon-desktop-for-ubuntu I'll look at this. It might be a bit before I really get on this but I'l feed back my details as they come. I think the Hildon Desktop would be pretty good for use as user interface for UMPCs, tablet PCs etc. running some Linux distro (if operated using the touch screen). Added benefit would be that the applets/plugins made for Nokia devices would also run on the PC and also the applets made for the PC would run on the Nokia device (python applets would run out of the box without recompilation even). Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 0xFFFF: GPL-licensed flasher for n770 and n800
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:47:01 +0300 Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what you mean by 'from scratch'. If the unit does not have a bootloader _at all_, then you need to flash a bootloader via JTAG. But that's mildly convoluted. Serial console is the usual way to go. There is rom code that provides this facility. Of course a serial programmer (aka flasher) is needed. Are you telling me that the N770 has a ROM (not EEPROM or FLASH) that allows one to rewrite the Flash no matter how badly you screwed any part of the programmable memory? I'm asking as I have until now been quite cautious in my experiments with the Nokia, knowing that there is a way to recover the device (by my self) would put my mind at ease :) If it has such a marvellous ROM bootloader, is it by any chance one with any documentation regarding the protocol? Something like UBoot would really nice :) ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon Desktop for desktop Linux? Anybody tried yet?
Am Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:13:02 +0300 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Has anybody tried to compile Hildon Desktop for their Linux (e.g. Ubuntu?) yet? Lucas and I have blogged about it sometime ago. Any experiences/comments/questions/whatever to share? Hello, i played with that a couple days ago. The first problem was fixed by a hint from Lucas. The last problem was ( was and is, because i had no time to examine the error ) a error with the jhbuild. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/maemo-gtk-2-10/hildon-1/hildon-desktop/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/hildon-theme-cacher/hildon-theme-tools/hildon-theme-layout-4/hildon-theme-plankton/sapwood/libmatchbox/matchbox-window-manager/jhbuild$ svn co https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/jhbuild_modules Ajhbuild_modules/maemo_freedesktop.modules A jhbuild_modules/maemo.modules Ajhbuild_modules/ChangeLog Ajhbuild_modules/hildon-desktop.jhbuildrc Ajhbuild_modules/hildon-desktop.modules Ajhbuild_modules/README Ausgecheckt, Revision 10983. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/maemo-gtk-2-10/hildon-1/hildon-desktop/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/hildon-theme-cacher/hildon-theme-tools/hildon-theme-layout-4/hildon-theme-plankton/sapwood/libmatchbox/matchbox-window-manager/jhbuild$ cd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/maemo-gtk-2-10/hildon-1/hildon-desktop/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/hildon-theme-cacher/hildon-theme-tools/hildon-theme-layout-4/hildon-theme-plankton/sapwood/libmatchbox/matchbox-window-manager/jhbuild/jhbuild_modules$ jhbuild -f ./hildon-desktop.jhbuildrc -m ./hildon-desktop.modules build bash: jhbuild: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/maemo-gtk-2-10/hildon-1/hildon-desktop/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/hildon-theme-cacher/hildon-theme-tools/hildon-theme-layout-4/hildon-theme-plankton/sapwood/libmatchbox/matchbox-window-manager/jhbuild/jhbuild_modules$ cd libhildon bash: cd: libhildon: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/maemo-gtk-2-10/hildon-1/hildon-desktop/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/hildon-theme-cacher/hildon-theme-tools/hildon-theme-layout-4/hildon-theme-plankton/sapwood/libmatchbox/matchbox-window-manager/jhbuild/jhbuild_modules$ jhbuild -f ./hildon-desktop.jhbuildrc -m ./hildon-desktop.modules build bash: jhbuild: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/maemo-gtk-2-10/hildon-1/hildon-desktop/maemo-af-desktop-l10n/hildon-theme-cacher/hildon-theme-tools/hildon-theme-layout-4/hildon-theme-plankton/sapwood/libmatchbox/matchbox-window-manager/jhbuild/jhbuild_modules$ --- The installation from the repository seems to be done but there is no jhbuild command found. I think i will try it again this week so i will report more experiences in the next few days. br Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
