[Mailman-Users] Footers as Attachments

[David Andrews]

Some of my users have complained about getting an attachment with 
each message. The attachment seems to be the footer fort the list. It 
also looks like this may be an Outlook thing. Is this true? Is there 
anything to be done to change it.


I would guess that changing to text-only messages would do it, but 
that isn't necessarily a popular option either.


Dave

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[Mailman-Users] List Won't Send Mail

[David Andrews]

I have a list that won't send out mail. I believe that all the 
settings are correct, but I could have missed something.


I am running Mailman 2.1.39 cPanel, and I have access to the command line.

I have a list that I needed to modify settings. It was established by 
a prior administrator, to whom I have no contact.


I can access admin UI, and modified everything. However, at the 
bottom of the Administrative page, where it says "list run by" the 
domain it shows is incorrect. It is a domain used for mail only on my 
installation.


The list comes up on my list of lists pages, but when I mail to it, 
it get permanent error list not found.


I hope this makes sense!


Dave

p.s. I don't know why or how, but I think the list isn't completely 
registered with the system. Also, I was able to establish a similar 
list, with different capitalization of name, the both show up on 
admin page, but not sure how to get rid of the bad one because it 
doesn't show up in the cPanel UI.


Dave


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[Mailman-Users] Re: List Archives

[David Andrews]

At 11:17 PM 8/28/2022, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

David Andrews writes:

 > I want to delete some lists, but would like to save the archives.
 > Pipermail saves by month, as I have it configured. Is there a way to
 > obtain an entire archive at once?  Are there tools to convert the
 > MBOX format to something non-technical people can deal with easily?

Exactly what is your use case?  What do you mean by "obtain"?  What do
you mean by "non-technical people deal"?

I suspect "obtain" means something you don't need to do, and
"non-technical people deal" means "click to read".  If so, the answer
is basically "delete the list, don't delete the archive".  That's
easiest for the users since they just go to the same place.  Best of
all the site admin doesn't have to do much of anything besides delete
the list configuration file, and possibly edit the MTA config.[1] Note
that this can create backscatter (mail rejection notices to third
parties0, but that's no different from any other non-existent address
at your server.

The only problem is if the archives are "members only", because
deleting the list would also delete their credentials. Since in an
important sense the membership database *is* the list, in that case,
you don't want to delete the list, you want to disable delivery and
access to the administrative interfaces.  There are several ways to do
those things, and some vary according to the MTA.  They have subtly
different consequences for what happens if somebody tries to post to
the list or subscribe to it.  The one you're most likely to care about
is "the post disappears into a black hole and the member is
distressed," but some of them can create backscatter in the case of
spammers.


Thanks everyone. This all sounds reasonable except it also identifies 
another problem we are having. There is no good search method in 
place. I installed search several years back, I can't remember what 
it was called off the top of my head. It broke something in cPanel, 
and their support basically said remove search or you get no support 
from us. So leaving archives in place long term, without a good 
search method doesn't make much sense.


Also the organizations librarian wants the archives for historic and 
other reasons, so leaving them here won't satisfy that.


Dave


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[Mailman-Users] List Archives

[David Andrews]

I manage a bunch of Mailman lists. We are on 2.1.38 cPanel, and I do 
have access to the command line.


I want to delete some lists, but would like to save the archives. 
Pipermail saves by month, as I have it configured. Is there a way to 
obtain an entire archive at once?  Are there tools to convert the 
MBOX format to something non-technical people can deal with easily?


Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Re: How to wrap text in archived messages

[David Andrews]

At 11:12 PM 5/25/2022, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 5/25/22 19:32, Mark Dale via Mailman-Users wrote:
That got me Googling for How-to's on integrating MHonArc with 
Mailman. There's a fair bit of conversation around this from days 
long ago, and a patch for using MHonArc written by Mark S. back in 2014.



I didn't write that patch. It's from Richard Barrett who also 
created a patch for HtDig integration for archive searches. There 
are three branches at 
https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/mhonarc, 
https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/htdig and 
https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/htdig_mhonarc which are 
up to date with 
https://code.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1 with the 
mhonarc, htdig and both patches applied respectively. I never used 
the mhonarc or htdig_mhonarc branches, but I did use the htdig 
branch for a production Mailman 2.1 installation.



For what it is worth, a number of years ago I installed the HtTDIG 
patch, and it worked. I must say, also, that I have a cPanel 
installation. Search worked, and users liked it, but I had another 
problem with cPanel, don't even remember what. The cPanel folks said 
they would not give me technical support as long as I used HTDIG, so 
now I have no search, a problem with a system with over 300 lists.


Dave


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[Mailman-Users] Elimination of Digest

[David Andrews]

I am running Mailman 2.1.35, cPanel. I have an existing list with 
both regular and digest delivery set up. If I turn off the digest, 
what happens to those subscribers who selected digest? are they 
deleted, or is their mode changed to regular delivery?


Thanks!

Dave

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Does mailman work well for large lists?

[David Andrews]

At 04:29 PM 2/26/2021, david.bar...@mail.com wrote:

Good day,
Looking for a solution to have about 50-200 lists for 
subscribers.  Any good examples of mailman being used for 50+ lists 
you can share for me to see? Trying to see

the feasibility of implementing a solution in next 90 days.

Would like to see a working one, where a user would go to a site, 
and pick a list to subscribe.


Is mailman easy to setup and maintain?

Windows or Linux server recommended?


I run a site with about 280 lists. Just use the stock Mailman stuff:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/

Another 75 hidden lists.  It takes me a couple hours a day, in part 
because I at least look at each message.  Most time filled up with 
helping people subscribe, unsubscribe, get lists of members for list 
moderators etc.  People don't know how to use their tools.


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[Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

[David Andrews]

I run an installation that has over 300 lists.  Normally, for years, 
I received around 300 uncaught bounce notifications a day.  In the 
past couple of months, it has dramatically increased to 3000 to 4000 
a day.  Some questions:  what causes them? Can they be reduced? Do 
they hurt anything? Toes the increase mean a problem somewhere else?


Thanks!

Dave

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[Mailman-Users] What file to Delete

[David Andrews]

I have a couple lists that had large numbers of subscribe attempts 
that are now being held for confirmation -- tens of thousands of 
them. Since there is no choice in the UI to delete them all at once 
-- what file do I delete to get rid of them?  I am running 2.1.27 
cPanel, although I don't think that matters. I do have access to the 
command line.


Dave

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Re: [Mailman-Users] members not receiving their own messages.

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At 06:30 AM 8/22/2018, Mike Flannigan wrote:


For gmail, this is the fix:
http://www.woodworth-ancestors.com/fix-gmail-problem-rootsweb/index.htm

Users must do this.



Are they screen shots or something??? I got nothing out of the link, 
just separators and dashes.  I am blind and a screen reader user.


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing Characters

[David Andrews]

At one time I changed some settings in Content Filtering, on all my 
lists.  It was quite a few versions ago, to solve some problem that I 
can't even remember.  I am still doing it, remove everything from 
filter these content types, I think. Would that do it, should I restore them?


Dave

At 12:25 AM 6/27/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 6/26/18 8:09 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> At 07:40 PM 6/26/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what's happening. Yes, Outlook represented the message in a
>> character set (code page) which wasn't compatible with the list's
>> language character set, probably us-ascii, but this should affect only
>> plain format digests and archives where the message is represented in
>> the list's character set. For individual messages sent to the list
>> members and MIME format digest, there should be no transliteration.
>
> This wasn't in the digest, it was in a regular message.


I suppose it's possible that an HTML message was converted to plain text
by content filtering, but in order to say more, we'd need to see a
complete raw message, preferably both as sent to the list and as
received from the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing Characters

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At 07:40 PM 6/26/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 6/26/18 5:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/26/18 2:12 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>> I am running Mailman 2.1.26, cPanel. I had a message that I forwarded
>> to a list using Outlook 2010. It looked fine in Outlook, but when it
>> went to list all ' apostrophes were changed to ? question mark. What
>> causes this, and how can I prevent it.
>>
>> Dave
> The lists language is set to use a National Code page, and Outlook
> formatted the message to use a 'Smart Quote' that isn't part of that
> Code Page.


I'm not sure what's happening. Yes, Outlook represented the message in a
character set (code page) which wasn't compatible with the list's
language character set, probably us-ascii, but this should affect only
plain format digests and archives where the message is represented in
the list's character set. For individual messages sent to the list
members and MIME format digest, there should be no transliteration.


This wasn't in the digest, it was in a regular message.

Dave




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[Mailman-Users] Changing Characters

[David Andrews]

I am running Mailman 2.1.26, cPanel. I had a message that I forwarded 
to a list using Outlook 2010. It looked fine in Outlook, but when it 
went to list all ' apostrophes were changed to ? question mark. What 
causes this, and how can I prevent it.


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions

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At 10:29 PM 6/2/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 06/02/2018 06:55 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any solution for dealing with spam subscriptions from
> gmail
> addresses?
> The requests are coming from random addresses that contain a few words, a
> plus sign, then another random string of characters.


I use this regexp in the GLOBAL_BAN_LIST

^[0-9a-z.]{8,}\+[0-9a-z]{4,}@gmail\.com$

That blocks subscribe attempts from any address which is 8 or more
letters, digits and periods followed by a plus followed by 4 or more
letters and digits @gmail.com.

Recently, I've seen some with only 6 letters before the + so you might
reduce {8,} to {6,}. I think I'll try that too.

I also have

^.*\+.*\d{3,}@

which blocks anything with a + followed by anything ending in 3 or more
digits. Scanning the membership of all the Mailman 2.1 lists @python.org
(over 132K addresses) shows only 10 matches 4 of which were members of
the python-3...@python.org with addresses .*+python-3000@.* and the
other 6 were nabble.com or googlegroups.com, so it's very unlikely that
legitimate regular subscribers will match that.

The advantage of the global ban list for this is all the ones I've seen
are web subscribes. This blocks them with a web response and doesn't
send any confirmation email.



Thanks very much -- we are trying it!

You always have the answer -- thanks!

Dave




> We are getting hundreds of held subscription messages per day. Is blocking
> this kind of thing through Exim an option? We are using cpanel.


If these as I've seen are all web subscribes, the only thing you could
do in Exim is drop the outgoing confirmation email, but banning them
stops the subscribe attempt before any mail is sent.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions

[David Andrews]

A couple months ago I asked a question and got a 
response from Mark Sapiro, see below. We are 
having trouble implementing anything. We are 
trying recaptcha, but it isn't popular with our 
users, thousands of whom are blind. Here is what my Linux guy asks:


Does anyone have any solution for dealing with spam subscriptions from gmail
addresses?
The requests are coming from random addresses that contain a few words, a
plus sign, then another random string of characters. I can't figure out how
we block this without blocking all addresses with plus characters in them,
which is not a good option.
We are getting hundreds of held subscription messages per day. Is blocking
this kind of thing through Exim an option? We are using cpanel.


p.s. The number of messages is causing my ISP to throttle my e-mail!

Dave


At 01:50 PM 2/23/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 02/23/2018 07:07 AM, David Andrews wrote: > > 
I have just two lists that receive a bunch of 
spam subscribes each day > -- hundreds of them, 
in fact. For some reason -- which is good, they 
are > held, so don't go through, not quite sure 
why.  Two questions -- first > is there a file 
I can erase for each list that will get rid of 
all the > held subscriptions, without breaking 
anything else.  I tried once, and > my 
installation broke -- don't know if it is 
related, but don't want to > try again unless I 
do it right. See the script at 
<https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/erase> 
(mirrored at 
<https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/erase>). 
This will remove everything for an address or 
addresses that match a regexp. Also for any list 
you can remove the lists/LISTNAME/request.pck 
file, but if there are any held messages for the 
list, they too will disappear from the pending 
requests although the 
data/heldmsg-LISTNAME-nnn.pck file will still be 
there. The best thing is to handle all held 
messages before removing the requests.pck file, 
but there is a script at 
<https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/hold_again> 
(mirrored as above) that can reprocess the 
data/heldmsg-LISTNAME-nnn.pck files or they can 
be removed if not wanted. > Secondly, there is 
some commonality in the subscribe addresses, 
are > there strings I can use to discard the 
subscribes so I never have to see > them. > > 
Below are examples, there is a common word, or a 
common word, a period > ., and another common 
word, then a plus sign + then a 4 5 or 6 
character > word, all alpha, and @gmail.com > 
Here are examples: > > > dragonommz+ > 
jwmidnight+ > nommz.naidoo+ Since Mailman 2.1.21 
there is a GLOBAL_BAN_LIST. See 
<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2018-January/082905.html> 
for a bit on how to use this. You will find more 
in the archives from this Google search 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman-users+%22global_ban_list%22> 
Also, if you haven't done so, set 
SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET to some string unique to 
your site. Both the above are mm_cfg.py 
settings. Also, I don't know when cPanel will 
upgrade to Mailman 2.1.26 but it contains an 
ability to enable reCAPTCHA on the listinfo page 
subscribe form. > Finally, I know it is probably 
too late in the Mailman2 cycle to get a > new 
feature, but in the web UI, it would be nice if 
you could delete all > deferred 
subscriptions.  You can do so with deferred 
messages, that are > held, but not 
subscriptions. If someone wants to do it, I'd 
accept a merge request, but I'm not likely to do 
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[Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions

[David Andrews]

I have a mailman installation with over 300 lists. It is cPanel, but 
I am the administrator so have access to command line etc.


I have just two lists that receive a bunch of spam subscribes each 
day -- hundreds of them, in fact. For some reason -- which is good, 
they are held, so don't go through, not quite sure why.  Two 
questions -- first is there a file I can erase for each list that 
will get rid of all the held subscriptions, without breaking anything 
else.  I tried once, and my installation broke -- don't know if it is 
related, but don't want to try again unless I do it right.


Secondly, there is some commonality in the subscribe addresses, are 
there strings I can use to discard the subscribes so I never have to see them.


Below are examples, there is a common word, or a common word, a 
period ., and another common word, then a plus sign + then a 4 5 or 6 
character word, all alpha, and @gmail.com

Here are examples:


dragonommz+
jwmidnight+
nommz.naidoo+


If I could knock these out, it would be helpful.  This has happened 
several times previously, but has always stopped after a few weeks. 
This time it has been a couple months.


Finally, I know it is probably too late in the Mailman2 cycle to get 
a new feature, but in the web UI, it would be nice if you could 
delete all deferred subscriptions.  You can do so with deferred 
messages, that are held, but not subscriptions.


Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem Delivering Mail

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At 03:03 PM 1/15/2018, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 01/15/2018 12:26 PM, David Andrews wrote: > 
Some of my lists, and some of my users are 
unable to send mail. The > users get a message 
like this: > > Subject: Mail delivery failed: 
returning message to sender > > This message was 
created automatically by mail delivery 
software. > > A message that you sent could not 
be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. 
This is a permanent error. The following 
address(es) failed: > > Â  j...@nfbnet.org > Â Â 
  local delivery failed > > Reporting-MTA: dns; 
host.nfbnet.org > > Action: failed > 
Final-Recipient: rfc822;j...@nfbnet.org > 
Status: 5.0.0 ... > It is on more than one list 
-- and more than one user.  This is a cPanel > 
installation, but I don't know that this is 
related, and I have access > to everything. So 
presumably j...@nfbnet.org is the list. If this 
is cPanel, the MTA is almost certainly Exim, and 
in my experiencer, Exim logs aren't as detailed 
as the ones I'm more used to, but what is in the 
Exim logs related to this message. You might 
also consider contacting cPanel about this. See 
<https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344> and 
<https://wiki.list.org/x/4030641>. -- Mark Sapiro



Thanks everybody, things working again.  Not sure 
what caused the problem, I did delete a file last 
night, but it shouldn't have broken all lists, but maybe it did.
Got a auto message from cPanel about Mailman RPM 
being out of kilter, and gave me a command to 
fix. It basically reinstalled Mailman I think, but everything working again.


Dave

p.s.  I know just enough to be dangerous -- which isn't very much!

DA



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[Mailman-Users] Problem Delivering Mail

[David Andrews]

Some of my lists, and some of my users are unable to send mail. The 
users get a message like this:


Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  j...@nfbnet.org
local delivery failed

Reporting-MTA: dns; host.nfbnet.org

Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;j...@nfbnet.org
Status: 5.0.0

Received: from smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 
D8CA42B83
for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: by smtp33.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: 
xxx@yyy.zzzus) with ESMTPSA id A014A5807

for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:26:18 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mmlenovo ([UNAVAILABLE]. [173.217.232.59])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384)
by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12);
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Received: from smtp64.iad3a.emailsrvr.com ([173.203.187.64]:33780)
by host.nfbnet.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
(Exim 4.89_1)


It is on more than one list -- and more than one user.  This is a 
cPanel installation, but I don't know that this is related, and I 
have access to everything.


Thanks for any ideas.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Funding Campaign for GNU Mailman

[David Andrews]

At 03:45 PM 11/10/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 11/10/2017 11:56 AM, David Andrews wrote:
> I tried to make a donation -- but was unsuccessful. I am a blind screen
> reader user, tried with two different ones, there were accessibility
> problems with the page. I couldn't enter my state properly, for some
> reason. Too much javascript I suspect!


Dave,

I'm sorry you are having difficulty with this page. It isn't ours. It is
part of the Free Software Foundation's web site. They are the ones that
process our donations.

I suspect the difficulty is the "state" field on that form is a
drop-down list. It you start typing, the list is narrowed to only the
matches, but you still ultimately have to select a state from the list,
even if it's a list of one.


Thanks as always, you are right, it is a drop-down that didn't behave 
as they normally do. People have to be different, and fancy.


I had my 14 year-old daughter fill it out for me!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Funding Campaign for GNU Mailman

[David Andrews]

I tried to make a donation -- but was 
unsuccessful. I am a blind screen reader user, 
tried with two different ones, there were 
accessibility problems with the page. I couldn't 
enter my state properly, for some reason. Too much javascript I suspect!


For Mailman 3 accessibility is an very important 
consideration, for me, with the Web UI, as I do 
most of my work with Mailman2 with the web UI, which is pretty accessible!


Thanks!

I will try again, when my sighted daughter gets 
home from school, but it should be easier!


Dave

At 05:51 PM 11/9/2017, Abhilash Raj wrote:
Hello Everyone, As most of you already know, 
Mailman 3 is the new and improved version with 
extra features, better security and much better 
architecture. We released Mailman Suite 3.0 in 
April 2015 and have come a long ways since then. 
Mailman Suite 3.1, release May 2016, was aimed 
to provide feature-parity with Mailman 2.x 
series and we think we _almost_ hit that goal. 
Apart from no monthly password reminders, 
Mailman 3 has a much better Administrator/User 
interface, REST API for scripting, a really 
awesome archiver, support for multiple domains, 
support for external plugins, support for 
SSO/social login and so much more! I love 
working on Mailman and would enjoy being able to 
do so full time for next 6-8 weeks. Mailman 3 is 
not very far from becoming the default version 
everyone would use, but it still needs some work 
to get there. I need help from you, the users of 
Mailman, to get us there. If you or your 
organization would like to move to (or, already 
moved to) Mailman 3, I urge you to donate[1] to 
us. There are options to donate using Credit 
Card, Paypal, Bitcoin, Wire Transfer (of any 
currency), Check and money order. If this 
campaign succeeds, here is a road map of what I 
intend to get done: - Move Django 
apps(UI/Archiver) to Python 3 (or bilingual) - 
Fork `mailman import` command to provide an 
upgrade path to Mailman 3.x from Mailman 2.x - 
Fix MySQL compatibility in Core - Changes in 
Postorius: - Add support for missing options 
that are already exposed in Core’s API - e.g. 
Support for setting templates - Find the 
commonly used options that are not exposed in 
Core, add them to Core's API and add to 
Postorius - Add Admin Dashboard project from 
GSoC 2014 (maybe?) - Add better testing of 
container images and provide deployment 
instructions for Kubernetes & Docker Swarm - 
Improve the container images to work with new 
micro-services architecture, to achieve scaling 
and redundancy in services. - Administrator/User 
documentation for Postorius & Mailman - 
(optional) Fork mmcli [3] project from Rajeev, 
fix if there is anything missing and add it as 
an additional command line tool to work with 
Mailman Core. Maybe pull it under Mailman 
umbrella. Except for these, if there is 
something more important that is preventing the 
adoption of Mailman 3 from your end, we can 
discuss them. I'd like to mention that I have 
been working on Mailman 3 for quite some time 
now and I intend to implement every single item 
on the list. You donations would help it get 
done much sooner, hopefully in time for 3.2 
release schedule (at PyCon US 2018). You can 
follow the progress of this campaign here[2]. 
[1]: 
https://my.fsf.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1=22 
[2]: https://wiki.list.org/x/17892025 [3]: 
https://github.com/rajeevs1992/mailmancli 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery

[David Andrews]

At 08:23 PM 10/17/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 10/17/2017 05:32 PM, David Andrews wrote: > 
At one time I set > Reply-To: header munging > 
under general settings to Yes. Some of my users 
used a screen reader > that balked unless the 
header was munged, for some reason.  Well 
that > software has gone away, and ISP's are 
much pickier these days, with MARC > and dkim 
and SPF etc. Would this setting cause me 
delivery problems ?? > Should I go back and 
change it on older lists. I no longer set it 
to > yes, leave it at no, its default. By "set 
Reply-To: header munging under general settings 
to Yes" I assume you mean reply_goes_to_list = 
This List, but I'm not sure what you're asking. 
Reply-To: header munging is controversial and is 
a religious war. Mailman developers think it 
shouldn't be done, but many think it should be 
which is why the option exists. I am not aware 
of message delivery issues one way or the other, 
but there is an issue with Thunderbird and 
possibly other MUAs. Recent T'bird has changed 
so that if you are looking at a list post with a 
Reply-To: to the list and you do a simple reply 
or control-R, the reply will be addressed to the 
From: and not the list. More recent T'bird has a 
config editor option to restore the old 
behavior, but it's not the default. See these 
threads for all the gory details: 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77304> 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309486> 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392371> 
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highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California


I didn't mean "reply goes to list" but you 
answered my question, as usual!  Thanks!


Dave




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[Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery

[David Andrews]

At one time I set
Reply-To: header munging
under general settings to Yes. Some of my users used a screen reader 
that balked unless the header was munged, for some reason.  Well that 
software has gone away, and ISP's are much pickier these days, with 
MARC and dkim and SPF etc. Would this setting cause me delivery 
problems ?? Should I go back and change it on older lists. I no 
longer set it to yes, leave it at no, its default.


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[Mailman-Users] Second Name

[David Andrews]

One of my users has requested a list -- let's call it 
li...@example.org.  He wants a second name for this list -- 
li...@example.org  He says he heard Mailman can do this.  I have 
experimented a little, but can't see how.


Can Mailman do this -- and if so, what do I do.

Dave

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[David Andrews]

Thanks!  As usual You're the man!

Dave

p.s.  I suppose I could edit and use for gmail too, and put them in a 
cron job and run once a day to take care of new folks.



At 04:30 PM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[David Andrews]

At 08:57 AM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
>
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.


Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the 
problem. You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which 
means it could be something else, or not.  Have you written, or is 
there a script to go through all lists and change attribute, and/or 
would it work to send them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and 
over 12,000 users I can't really do it by hand.


Dave


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

[David Andrews]

Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All 
of a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have 
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[Mailman-Users] Non-Delivery of Mail

[David Andrews]

I run a cPanel system that, among other things, supports about 300 
Mailman lists. We have about 20,000 users. I am getting lots of 
bounced messages from roadrunner.com and various XXX.rr.com domains. 
It looks like they may be blocking my domain nfbnet.org although I am 
not sure how you tell.


When I look at a mail delivery report via cPanel, I see messages that 
say 421 too many concurrent connections, connection refused.  What 
can I change to fix this problem!


Thanks!

 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] searchable archive options for cPanel server

[David Andrews]

At 02:30 PM 7/14/2016, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 07/14/2016 12:07 PM, Jason Fayre wrote:
>
> We have a server running cPanel that hosts around 200 mailing lists. We
> really want to have searchable archives. If I install the mailman htdig
> patches, cPanel won't support us.


And what Mailman support do you currently get from cPanel that you'd be
giving up? Or do you mean that if you patch any piece, they won't
support anything including stuff you haven't touched?


He means all cPanel support, not just Mailman!



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Re: [Mailman-Users] some mailman questions

[David Andrews]

At 09:55 AM 7/20/2015, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 7/20/15 7:19 AM, Mark T wrote:
 Hi can any one help with the following




 2. if i update my linode server will it break my mailman only i 
was told it would
 the version i am useing is 2.1.16rc2 witch i was also told is the 
most accessible for the blind




I run Mailman through cPanel, but on Linode, and upgrading my OS has 
never caused any problems.  Also, I am a blind user, and there will 
be no accessibility problems by moving to 2.1.20.


Dave




There should be no difference in accessibility between Mailman 2.1.16rc2
and later versions.

I don't know why a server upgrade would break Mailman. I suppose there
could be issues resulting from an upgrade, but without knowing more
detail about both the current and upgraded configurations, I have no
idea what they might be.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?

[David Andrews]

At 07:26 PM 4/7/2015, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

David Andrews writes:

  A reminder that any web UI, whether end user, or
  administrator, needs to be accessible to disabled
  persons -- preferably it will use the WCAG 2.0 AA standards.

We do use industrial-strength web frameworks, mostly Django.  To the
extent they support the string-of-letters-and-digits standard, we
will certainly take advantage of those capabilities.  Javascript-
disabled, several of us are definitely in favor and know how to do it.

If that's not good enough, detailed advice, and better yet designs
and patches, welcome!  Sorry, but that's the reality in a volunteer
project.

I'm willing to do it for money (hourly rate negotiable) :-), but the
LOC per hour would be ruinously low because I am not a spectacularly
fast programmer to start with and know nothing about the standard
mentioned.  Other project members tend to be faster, with less spare
time, and quite likely about the same amount of knowledge of the
relevant standards (standards that don't start with RFC are
generally not on our required reading lists).

Please keep the details coming.  We care, we just don't have the
cycles to do it ourselves without help.

Regards,



I know what you say is true.  Nevertheless, it makes me sad.  Twenty 
percent of the population has some sort of disability, yet 
accessibility just isn't taught in computer science courses.


The Federal government is supposed to buy accessible technology -- 
and many states, in the U.S. like mine Minnesota, also have laws 
requiring us to procure accessible technology and web sites.  The 
Justice Department has already said that the web is a place of public 
accommodation, and the ADA applies.  It is only a matter of time 
before they issue specific regulations.  So, in the near future, 
anyone producing publicly facing web sites will need to do this!


Using a current, industrial-strength framework is not a guarantee 
of accessibility, and passing the buck to them will ultimately not 
hold water.  While at one time turning off javascript was  one way to 
increase accessibility, this is no longer the case.




By the way, the web UI for Mailman 2.X is very accessible -- at least 
for blind persons.


If anyone has an actual site I can get to, I will take a look.  I am 
not a professional accessibility tester, just a skilled amateur who 
also runs a bunch of Mailman lists, as a 2nd job


Thanks!

Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?

[David Andrews]

At 02:48 PM 4/2/2015, Andrew Stuart wrote:
What’s on your wishlist for the perfect 
Mailman web interface? If you can provide links 
to show where your ideas are done well that 
would help to illustrate your thoughts. Any 
killer features that you’d like to see in the perfect Mailman web interface?



A reminder that any web UI, whether end user, or 
administrator, needs to be accessible to disabled 
persons -- preferably it will use the WCAG 2.0 AA standards.


Dave





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Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list

[David Andrews]

At 07:45 PM 3/19/2015, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 03/19/2015 02:53 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:

 As the article mentions, there are enough different styles in 
widespread use

 that it's best to conform to the norms of the community.  My own feeling is
 that interleaved-with-trimming is the most conducive to mailing list
 discussions.


+1

Although, I have fought and lost the battles with my cycling club list
members.

On our main discussion list, digests are virtually unreadable at times
because it is nearly impossible to find the original material in the
multiple quotes of quotes of quotes, and similarly for archives.

And some people on the list continue to insist that they like top
posting with full quoting because they only have to read the latest post
in a thread (albeit from the bottom up), even though it's been pointed
out to them multiple times that threads are trees and even if everyone
quotes everything, any particular leaf only contains the posts on that
branch.

Top posting with full quoting is also encouraged by MUAs like Gmail's
web client that hide the quoted material unless you ask for it.

I do understand that in some business situations (contract negotiations,
attorney/client communication and the like), it is useful and pretty
much demanded that each message contain the full transcript of what went
before, but this has no place on an email discussion list.

This is a major hot-button issue for me, The above is only scratching
the surface.



Everyone should remember that your needs are not necessarily the same 
as others.  I run some 250 lists that primarily cater to blind 
persons, and top posting is the norm.  While we can sort it all out, 
despite quoting style, top posting is the easiest in most 
situations.  There is no one right, or wrong way.





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[Mailman-Users] Sending a File

[David Andrews]

With Mailman, is there a way to have all subscribers to a list sent a 
file, when they subscribe.  Automatically, of course.  I have a list 
where the moderator has text he wants new subscribers to receive, but 
it seems a little long to me, for the Welcome message.


Thanks!

Dave



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Passwords

[David Andrews]

At 08:37 PM 9/1/2014, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

David Andrews writes:

  Then it never seems to work for them -- I end up changing password
  several times until it eventually seems to take.

It's not a matter of taking.  If you type the same password twice,
and get a page saying password is set, the password has already been
recorded.  The password database is internal to Mailman, and the
system has been in use for nearly two decades with few problem reports
(except that it is *too* easy to use, and consequently insecure), so
we are very confident that it works as designed.



Well I must sheepishly admit it was my error.  I apologize for taking 
everybody's time.  I was giving the Moderator the wrong URL to get 
into his list.


Dave




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[Mailman-Users] Moderator Passwords

[David Andrews]

Every time I go to provide a Moderator for one of my lists it seems 
to take several tries to get the password to take.  That is I fill in 
the e-mail of the moderator on the general settings page, and type in 
their password on the passwords page.  Then it never seems to work 
for them -- I end up changing password several times until it 
eventually seems to take.


Ami I missing something?  Are there restrictions on the 
password?  Does the e-mail have restrictions or qualifications?  Why 
is this always so difficult?


Dave



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[Mailman-Users] Finding, Removing and Baning people

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Our server has over 215 lists on it -- and people belong to multiple 
lists and it is of course impossible to know who is on what list.  I 
need to occasionally do one of three tasks, possibly all 3 at once, 
find out what lists a given person belongs to, remove him/her from 
all those lists, and place his/her e-mail address in the ban-list for 
all lists on the server.  Are there scripts out there to do this 
stuff, or what is the best way?  Maybe some new elements for the web 
UI in Mailman3?


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[Mailman-Users] Forcing New Archive

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In the distant past I remember a setting in the Web UI to force a new 
archive volume.  I can't find anything in 2.1.15.  Has it gone away?


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[Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages

[David Andrews]

My Mailman system sends out duplicate (two copies) of some 
administrative-type messages.  There are two password reminder 
messages sent out each month, two copies of the once-a-day message 
that announces pending messages in a list, and two messages each 
morning at 8:00 a.m. from the list mailman.  There isn't such a list 
where the links work, can be edited etc.  Presume it is the template 
for other lists, or some such thing.


What causes these behaviors and how do I fix them?  Thanks in advance.

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[Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages

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I am getting duplicate messages once a day, the 8:00 a.m. messages 
sent out by every list telling of what messages pending.  My users 
also get two copies of the password reminder once a month.  And ... 
not sure if it is related, but probably, I get two copies of a 
message each morning at 8:00 a.m. from the Mailman list telling of 
pending messages.  You can't get at this list to eliminate, so not 
sure what is going on.


Thanks in advance!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?

[David Andrews]

At 11:06 PM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull 
step...@xemacs.orgwrote:


 On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, David d...@fiteyes.com wrote:

  I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
  mention of it anywhere.

 Does this actually bother your users?  IME lists where this is a
 problem, it's a much smaller problem than top-posting itself, and the
 users aren't going to notice because they don't read any of the
 included content anyway.  I suspect that's why nobody (that I can
 remember) has ever asked for this before.



Remember that top posting isn't the evil thing that some of you think 
it is, in some communities.  There are legitimate reasons for doing 
it, just like there are for bottom posting -- but you wouldn't know 
that in the Linux world.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?

[David Andrews]

At 03:56 PM 4/19/2012, you wrote:

I'm not sure what you call the long tail of footers that accumulates on
messages, but I would like to eliminate all prior footers (from the same
list). When the new reply goes out, it should include only one footer. BTW,
we're using full personalization and one link in the footer is like this:
%(user_optionsurl)s

We could wrap the footer in a tag of some type if that would help. Any
suggestions? I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
mention of it anywhere.


I would love, love, love a feature that would eliminate the trail of 
footers from a replied-to list message.  I run about 200 lists that 
serve the blind community, and we tend to prefer top posting.  It is 
easier to find the new content.  So getting rid of footers in chains 
where people reply, and reply to that ... would be great, if 
possible..  It would also clean up digests some, it would also be 
nice if digests had some kind of navigation between original messages.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] not expanding msg_footer

[David Andrews]

At 10:38 PM 1/21/2012, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Anil Jangity wrote:

The footer for the emails that I send aren't getting expanded. The 
mailing list name is working, but not the other variables. Where is 
this pulled from?

[...]
The list configuration shows:

msg_footer =  ___
Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
%(real_name)s mailing list  (%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s)
Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
%(user_optionsurl)s

This email sent to %(user_address)s

I'm not sure what's going on.



I had problems with the footer once, and it turns out that there was 
a space at the end, once I removed the space it worked correctly.


Dave




The variables user_optionsurl and user_address are only available if
the list is personalized. If the list is not personalized, the
variable interpolation will fail and this affects all variables. I.e.
Non-digest options - personalize must be set to Yes or Full
Personalization to use those variables. If personalize is not shown as
the second setting on Non-digest options, you need to add

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

to mm_cfg.py.

However, you say that %(real_name)s is correctly replaced, and that
shouldn't happen if the above is the explanation, and I have no other
explanation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate posts?

[David Andrews]

On 11/23/2011 4:11 AM, Carlos Palomino wrote:

Hello all,

Several subscribers of my list are complaining of duplicate posts.  They say it happens 
only sometimes.

Are there any common reasons for such occurrences?  I don't experience this on 
my test-member account or in my regularly subscribed address, so it's difficult 
to track down.

I run about 200 lists, so get this complaint fairly regularly.  In 
virtually every case, or every case it turns out to be user error -- 
Mailman just doesn't send out duplicate posts, it seems to me.  People 
may have subscribed under two different addresses, or in one case the 
user had a mail filter in place that was bad, and directed messages to 
two different places.


Unsubscribe their address, and if they still get messages, have them 
forward to you with headers, so you can see what is going on at their end.


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[Mailman-Users] Is Character Permitted

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Is the  character allowed in a list name, such as in:  artartists?

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] RSS Feeds

[David Andrews]

Is there a way to add RSS feeds to Mailman lists?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions

[David Andrews]

At 02:09 PM 7/17/2011, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses
similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests
and added

^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$

to the ban list of all my lists.


When I wrote the amove, I hadn't seen my mmdsr report from yesterday.
Yesterday (actually, today, July 17, 04:44 -) I had 6 banned
subscription requests (2 each on 3 lists) from first.l...@apotmail.com
addresses. This time, there was no advance email. Their getting bolder
and even less scrupulous.



So, at the risk of seeming stupid, what is it that they are trying to 
do, or doing.  Are they collecting addresses for spam, or what?  If I 
don't ask, I won't learn.


Dave




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions

[David Andrews]

At 03:41 PM 7/17/2011, Mark Sapiro wrote:

David Andrews wrote:

So, at the risk of seeming stupid, what is it that they are trying to
do, or doing.  Are they collecting addresses for spam, or what?  If I
don't ask, I won't learn.


As I said in my original reply, It's answerpot http://answerpot.com/
archiving your lists.  They are subscribing to your lists in order to
collect list posts for their archive. See their web site for more info.



You did say that and I just didn't check it out.  Is there any reason 
to not let them do this?  My sponsoring organization is involved in a 
lot of public education kinds of things, and want to get the word 
out.  Is there a negative, or spam risk, or something to letting them 
archive?  And ... finally, why do they need multiple subscribes to 
the same list?


Sorry if I am asking to many questions -- I know you aren't their 
representative or defender.


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[Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions

[David Andrews]

Hi:

Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean.  I run a 
server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about 
300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain 
at the same time.  It is apot.com and the form is firstname dot 
lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different 
but believable.  Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while 
back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about.


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[Mailman-Users] Public to Private

[David Andrews]

I have a list that had an archive, which was public.  I need to 
change it to private.  Is there anything I have to do besides 
changing the setting under archives / ?


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[Mailman-Users] Remove from All Lists

[David Andrews]

Is there a command-line command to remove a given user from any and 
all lists he/she might be subscribed to -- without knowing all of 
those lists?  If so -- what is it?  Thanks!


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[Mailman-Users] What Causes Random Unsubscribe Notices

[David Andrews]

I run mailman with about 175 lists, and 6000 users, many of whom 
belong to multiple lists.  I have personalized e-mail set to yes, and 
the following in the footer which produces a personal options link 
for the user in each message:


To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
%(real_name)s:

%(user_optionsurl)s

Several times a week I get mail from a user saying they got an 
unsubscribe confirmation message and hadn't done anything to trigger 
it.  I believe them because I have gotten some too.  This behavior 
seems to have started when I started adding personalized footers.  Is 
it somehow caused by the long string of personalized links left in 
messages when people reply and don't trim off bottom.  Some of these 
message chains can get pretty long.


Or, is there something else that causes the generation of seemingly 
random unsubscribe confirmation messages?


Dave



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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to change configs for ALL lists?

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At 12:47 PM 1/12/2010, Terri Oda wrote:

Elaine Ashton wrote:
Well, what concerns me is that the spammers are going at these mass 
subscriptions via the web interface and it may become a game of 
whack-a-mole banning domains and IPs. Are there any plans to make 
the web form subscription more of a hurdle for spammers, e.g. captcha, etc?


I'm not a big believer in captcha's (advances in tech have made a 
lot of them trivially easy to in an automated way, making them 
annoying to users for little gain) but it might be worth thinking 
about a plug in architecture for this in mm3 in case something 
better does come up, or so people can enjoy their placebos...


If you decide to do captcha's, please make it optional -- or offer 
other alternatives.  I have 150 lists, and thousands of blind and 
visually impaired users, including myself, and captcha's are the bane 
of our existence!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

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At 07:25 PM 1/4/2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Christopher Adams wrote:

A spammer has subscribed completely unique addresses from the same domain to
many of the mailing lists that we host. Is there a way to unsubscribe
everything from this domain without writing a script that will do it?


Would that domain be zeusmail.org.  I have had a similar occurrence 
-- and don't know why -- have seen nothing bad from it, but got 
unique subscriptions to over 100 lists from a zeusmail.org 
domain.  Since all my lists deal with a specialized topic (blindness) 
it is unlikely that 100 or more individuals were interested from the 
same domain -- but I have seen nothing bad happen yet -- just suspicious.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Using CLI to admin

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At 12:11 PM 12/1/2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Cameron Smith wrote:

I am tasked with removing a mailman list using CLI on a cpanel install.

When I run the list_lists command in bin I get this:

# python list_lists
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File list_lists, line 44, in ?
import paths
ImportError: No module named paths


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9.

Assuming that FAQ is correct about where things are located and cPanel
hasn't broken things too badly, try

/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/list_lists

If that is what you ran, then there is no
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/paths.py file. That file needs
to be there for any of the /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/
commands to run. If it isn't there, there might be one in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cron which you could copy to
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/


I believe in cPanel, there is also a button somewhere in the web UI 
to remove a list.


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages

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At 02:08 PM 8/4/2009, Barry Finkel wrote:

David Andrews dandr...@visi.com wrote:

I have a problem, and don't know if there is an easy or viable
solution.  I run a bunch of lists for an organization, over 150
lists, about 80 percent public and 20 percent private.  Periodically
there are messages that need to go to everyone, or almost
everyone.  However, people belong to multiple lists so many people
get duplicate copies of the same message.

Is there any way to send to everyone, or sub-sets of everyone?  Is it
possible to subscribe everybody to an announce-only list, at the same
time they subscribe to their chosen list or lists?  Not sure I want
that approach, but an option if possible.

If I had to do this, I would do the following:

1) Create a new Mailman list - all-subscribers.

2) Make a list of all subscribers to all lists.  I already have
   a shell script (with awk files) that produces a list every hour
   that contains lines:

 Tue Aug  4 13:00:01 CDT 2009
 --
 list1 us...@example.com
 list1 us...@example.com
 --
 list2 us...@example.com
 list2 us...@example.com
 --

   I use this file to see if a given address is subscribed to any
   lists.

3) Extract the e-mail addresses from that list, pipe through uniq,
   and save the file.  You could do special processing to remove
   certain addresses from this file.

4) Use that file to

./sync_members -w=no -g=no -d=no -a=no -f  FILENAME all-subscribers

   to synchronize (silently) the membership of the all-subscribers list,
   which contains all the members of all the lists.



This was the only response I got, and appreciated.  Is this the only 
possible approach?  I am not sure I want to subscribe people to a 
list they didn't subscribe to, although I am considering it.  Any 
other approaches -- or do I have to wait to MM3 which is who knows when.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages

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At 03:29 PM 8/9/2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

David Andrews wrote:

This was the only response I got, and appreciated.  Is this the only
possible approach?  I am not sure I want to subscribe people to a
list they didn't subscribe to, although I am considering it.  Any
other approaches -- or do I have to wait to MM3 which is who knows when.


You can see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/TIA9, but the approach
there is essentially the same.

The alternative is to use Mailman's regular_exclude_lists feature
(under Non-digest options) as mentioned in the above FAQ, but with
150+ lists (or even merely a dozen), this probably isn't viable.



Mark:

The FAQ says:


a better umbrella list as long as you are not concerned about digest members.

Using the above example, create the list Threesomes with no 
members, and in Threesomes' Non-digest options - regular_include_lists put


threeblindm...@mylists.com
threebe...@mylists.com
threemenna...@mylists.com

Then, a post to Threesomes will be sent to the regular (nondigest) 
members of the above three lists without duplication.


Above you say this approach may not be viable for me.  Is this 
because of the work involved in my entering and updating the list of lists
in regular_include_lists , or because of something else I am not 
aware of.  If it would work for me, I am willing to do the work -- I 
am not as technical as some, and wouldn't want to mess around with 
scripts unless I have to.  This approach would also allow me to have 
several versions of the almost-all-subscribers lists, including or 
excluding certain lists.



Thanks for your help as always!

Dave




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[Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages

[David Andrews]

I have a problem, and don't know if there is an easy or viable 
solution.  I run a bunch of lists for an organization, over 150 
lists, about 80 percent public and 20 percent private.  Periodically 
there are messages that need to go to everyone, or almost 
everyone.  However, people belong to multiple lists so many people 
get duplicate copies of the same message.


Is there any way to send to everyone, or sub-sets of everyone?  Is it 
possible to subscribe everybody to an announce-only list, at the same 
time they subscribe to their chosen list or lists?  Not sure I want 
that approach, but an option if possible.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] New User trying to get Mailman, Apache2, Postfix working on Ubuntu LTS Server 8.04 for Internet

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At 12:29 PM 12/3/2008, Brad Knowles wrote:

Rusty0918 wrote:


However, the site owner now wants a new list created. The problem is, the
link to do this; http://claverton-energy.com/mailman/create - generates a
404 Page Not Found Error... None of  the documentation / trouble-shooting
anticipates that particular circumstance - and we have absolutely no idea
what to do to resolve it! :-)



You need to create the mailing list via cpanel itself, not the link in Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] Deleting Files

[David Andrews]

In my mailman/data sub-directory there are a bunch of files 
bounce-events.pck dated in the past, some 5 years old.  Can I 
safely delete these?


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[Mailman-Users] Users Being Unsubscribed

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I run multiple lists using Mailman 2.1.8.  Periodically some users 
receive a message asking them to confirm their unsubscribe from a 
given list.  This happens despite the fact that they have taken no 
action to unsubscribe.  It doesn't happen a lot, but enough that I 
know something is going on.  It has even happened to me and my 
account that is subscribed to lists.


What is triggering the unsubscribe attempt?  Is it spam that is doing 
it.  I know that if they ignore message, the unsubscribe attempt will 
age out, but they, the users don't understand what is going on.


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[Mailman-Users] Bad Character

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I manually added an address to one of my lists using the web 
UI.  There must have been a space or odd character at end of address, 
that I didn't notice.  The subscribe message indicated that:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]nbsp

has been subscribed to ...

I can't delete the address using the web interface.  How do I remove it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bad Character

[David Andrews]

At 11:15 AM 9/16/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:

David Andrews wrote:

I manually added an address to one of my lists using the web
UI.  There must have been a space or odd character at end of address,
that I didn't notice.  The subscribe message indicated 
that:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]nbsp

has been subscribed to ...

I can't delete the address using the web interface.  How do I remove it?


I don't know why you can't delete the address via the web. What have
you tried? Note that depending on your browser, you may see the
address as just [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the membership list, and depending on
Mailman version, checking 'unsub' in the membership list may not work
(it should work in 2.1.10 and up), but you should be able to mass
unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]nbsp.


As always you are the man with the answers!  I have 2.1.8 and the 
Mass Unsubscribe method worked.


Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Deleting Held Messages

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Hi:

I am running Mailman version 2.1.8.  I have most list set to delete 
held messages after 15 days (last setting on General Settings 
Page.)  However it doesn't seem to be working?  Is there something 
else that has to be done -- like a Cron Job enabled or something?


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and C-Panel

[David Andrews]

I currently run my own server, a SUN Cobalt RAQ550.  Mailman is 
installed on it and I have full access to everything.


Because of aging hardware, etc. I will be replacing everything.  I am 
considering going to c-panel as we also host web sites for parts of a 
national nonprofit for which we also provide the lists.


I have read here over the years about limitations to Mailman on 
c-Panel?  What are they?  Are they imposed by the hosting 
company.  Since I will have full access to c-Panel, will I have a 
fully functional Mailman available to me.


Are the limitations mentioned here imposed by hosting companies?

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[Mailman-Users] List Member Set Back

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I run a Cobalt RAQ550 server with about 125 Mailman lists on it.  On 
several occasions, one of the lists has had its membership roster set 
back to one from the past.  It turns out I had a defective UPS, and I 
would guess that it happened when there was a power glitch and some 
operation got upset, and the membership list was set back to an old one.


I have two questions:

First, am I right in my guess of the problem,

and second, the list that is put in place has been, in some instances 
a couple years old.


I have a new UPS, so hope this happens less, but if it does, is there 
any way to make the list that is auto restored more recent?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Member Set Back

[David Andrews]

Thanks as always for your clear and accurate answer.  You amaze me 
with your work in development, and support, your knowledge, your 
patience etc...


Thanks!

Dave

At 04:13 PM 7/9/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:

David Andrews wrote:

I run a Cobalt RAQ550 server with about 125 Mailman lists on it.  On
several occasions, one of the lists has had its membership roster set
back to one from the past.  It turns out I had a defective UPS, and I
would guess that it happened when there was a power glitch and some
operation got upset, and the membership list was set back to an old one.

I have two questions:

First, am I right in my guess of the problem,

and second, the list that is put in place has been, in some instances
a couple years old.

I have a new UPS, so hope this happens less, but if it does, is there
any way to make the list that is auto restored more recent?


Look through your Mailman lists/* directories. For any given list,
there should be a lists/listname directory with a few files including
a config.pck and a config.pck.last file. If there are also config.db
and config.db.last files, remove them. These are old files left ofer
from a Mailman 2.0.x to 2.1.x migration and their contents are that
old.

What happens is this. When Mailman instantiates a list, it tries to
load the list data from config.pck. If that fails, it falls back to
config.pck.last, config.db and config.db.last in that order. So if
both config.pck and config.pck.last (the immediately prior generation)
get corrupted in a power outage so they can't be loaded, Mailman may
fall back to the out of date config.db, so remove those old config.db*
files to prevent that.

Then if in the future, both config.pck and config.pck.last should
become unusable, that list will just not work and you will have to
restore config.pck from a (hopefully recent) backup, but at least it
won't silently fall back to years old data.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] slightly OT: on not becoming a spam source

[David Andrews]

At 01:53 PM 5/29/2008, David Newman wrote:

On 5/29/08 11:40 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:

David Newman wrote:

OK, I've enabled VERP but I'm no closer to isolating who's 
complaining in AOL-land.


Possibly this is some VERP config error on my part. I added the 
following to mm_cfg.py and rebooted:


VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = Yes
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

The next AOL feedback report contained a unique Message-ID, as always.

Did you go back to the list configuration and turn on personalization?


Er, no, I haven't. Where do I set that in the Web UI?

thanks

dn


DA:  It is under Nondigest Options.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] slightly OT: on not becoming a spam source

[David Andrews]

It is between the first and second choices you listed.  Since it 
isn't there, I would guess you need to stop and restart Mailman so 
the configuration file is reprocessed.


Dave

At 03:02 PM 5/29/2008, David Newman wrote:

On 5/29/08 12:09 PM, David Andrews wrote:


Did you go back to the list configuration and turn on personalization?


Er, no, I haven't. Where do I set that in the Web UI?

thanks

dn

DA:  It is under Nondigest Options.


Sorry for being dense, but where?

These are the only choices I see under nondigest options:

nondigestable
msg_header
msg_footer
scrub_nondigest

and under sibling lists:

regular_exclude_lists
regular_include_lists

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Re: [Mailman-Users] misleading description

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I have 120 lists and thousands of blind and visually impaired users, 
and if I were to implement any kind of captcha I would have a riot on 
my hands!!!


David Andrews

At 06:19 PM 5/3/2008, you wrote:

  On 5/3/08, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:

If the unsubscribe script cannot be exploited 
remotely, then
I do not see probing as a real threat (especially if 
additionally secured

by some captcha code or the like).

Note that people seem to really want one-click unsubscription.
CAPTCHA violates that design goal bigtime.

Brad Knowles writes:

  CAPTCHAs are not secure.

CAPTCHA-meme, die!  Die, die, die, I say!  Die-die-die-die-die!

Anyway, what Brad said being taken as given, what seems to be the case
is that trivial CAPTCHAs like

!-- Guess which FAQ-o-matic uses this CAPTCHA, successfully AFAIK! --
form
Please type CAP-ME in the box:
input type=password size=32
   name=nobody_would_guess_im_a_captcha_cause_theres_no_image
submit
/form

give all the protection that a CAPTCHA can give.  This is somewhat
effective, because if the 'bot doesn't expect that particular CAPTCHA,
it will lose.  And that's the best you can do.

What I conclude is that CAPTCHAs are a reasonable way for some low-to-
moderate-traffic sites to shift the burden of spam-fighting to their
users and to other sites, but that if Mailman ever implemented one,
that would immediately make Mailman sites a target for automated
CAPTCHA breaking.  So sites serious about using CAPTCHA to discourage
spamming would need to implement their own, anyway.

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[Mailman-Users] Handling Attachments and More

[David Andrews]

I have a Sun Cobalt RAQ550 with Mailman 2.1.8 installed, and running 
about 120 lists.  We were having problems with the setup handling 
multi-part messages that contained text and html -- some mail 
programs reproduced stuff twice etc.  Also we need to pass attachments.


On the advice of someone I made some changes, content filtering 
settings below, and while the multi-part thing is a little better, it 
only passes text attachments.  Need to pass .doc etc.


I am obviously not an expert in this stuff, or I wouldn't be 
bothering all of you.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the 
settings below? 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_content
(Edit 
filter_contenthttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_content)

No Yes
Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_mime_types
(Details for 
filter_mime_typeshttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_mime_types)

text/html
Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. 
Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/pass_mime_types
(Details for 
pass_mime_typeshttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/pass_mime_types)

multipart/alternative message/rfc822 text/plain
Remove message attachments that have a matching filename extension. 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_filename_extensions
(Edit 
filter_filename_extensionshttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_filename_extensions)

exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl
Remove message attachments that don't have a matching filename 
extension. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/pass_filename_extensions
(Edit 
pass_filename_extensionshttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/pass_filename_extensions)
Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part 
content? 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/collapse_alternatives
(Edit 
collapse_alternativeshttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/collapse_alternatives)

No Yes
Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion 
happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/convert_html_to_plaintext
(Edit 
convert_html_to_plaintexthttp://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/convert_html_to_plaintext)

No Yes
Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/admin/nfb-talk/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_action
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[Mailman-Users] Messages Appearing Twice

[David Andrews]

Hi:

The text of messages is appearing twice in the digests for some of my 
lists.  There will be the normal digest stuff, then the first message 
with headers etc., then it will say
next part

then the body of the message will app3ear again.  My digest type is 
set to Plain.

Is this related to processing of html messages or something?  What can I do?

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[Mailman-Users] List with Spanish

[David Andrews]

I have someone who wants the list name 
NFBEspañol-talk.  How do I get the Spanish accent 
into the system.  I can cut and paste into the 
web UI but don't know how to get it into 
virtusertable etc., or even if it is possible.

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[Mailman-Users] Fwd: HTML filter on the lists

[David Andrews]

I got the below message from a user, and am not quite sure what to do?  Any 
advice?

Dave


Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:30:29 -0600
From: T. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HTML filter on the lists

The filter you are using on text/html messages to the list really is very,
very broken.  First, it leaves parts of the HTML behind.  Second, it lies
about its output, claiming that all messages are now us-ascii (which
breaks character set conversion tools which need to know the original
character set in order to map to the correct one.)

The situation as it exists now is that you have almost everyone on the
list using Microsoft Outhous--er, I mean Outlook, which renders plain text
us-ascii messages as HTML in Windows-Latin-1 encoding.

My native character set is not Windows-Latin-1, it's UTF-8.  This requires
conversion, and the conversion tools assume that because your filter says
the message is us-ascii, it actually is.  I am also one of the about three
people on the lists whose email does not support HTML natively.  I have
fixed that with a mail filter, but it only works if the message is
actually HTML.

Essentially, the three people for whom your mail filter still serves a
purpose are having to deal with HTML emails we can't read precisely
because your filter doesn't actually do what it says it does.

My thought on this is to switch to a filter that simply defangs HTML
without stripping it, or replacing the existing filter with some suitable
lynx command line.  My filter:

LANG=en.UTF-8 lynx -dump -localhost -stdin -dont-wrap-pre -minimal

You might want to use en.iso8859-1 instead for LANG, since just about
everyone on the list speaks a Latin-1 language natively and Outlook does
know how to convert that to a Windows character set rather easily.  Just
make sure that when the output is stuffed back into MIME format the
charset is set to match the output.


I tried to write something to correct this--if I take an affected message,
correct the MIME headers so mutt knows it's HTML and what charset it
really is, mutt does properly extract the message.  The problem is that
there is no automated way to determine which messages are mangled, and any
filter would be forced to make as many assumptions about what the filter
broke as as the filter made in breaking it.  An Eastern-European poster's
messages would be garbled beyond recovery.  The proper solution is to not
break the messages.  *smile*


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[Mailman-Users] Blocking a User

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Hi:

I know it is possible to ban a user from all the lists in my Mailman 
installation at once.  I know I can ban him from an individual list, however, I 
have almost 100 lists, and when I ban him from one, he just moves to another.  
Is there a way to ban him once and for all?

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[Mailman-Users] List Using Old Membership List

[David Andrews]

I run Mailman 2.1.6 on a sun Cobalt RAQ 550 server.  There are about 
100 lists with memberships ranging from 50 to 350.  On several 
occasions, several of the lists seem to have reverted to using 
membership lists from the past.  People who had unsubscribed as much 
as two years ago, were suddenly subscribed again.

Is this possible?  If so, how does it happen, and how can it be 
prevented?  finally, my UPS has gone bad, and is in the process of 
being replaced, so the server has had some ungraceful shutdowns 
recently.  Would this cause problems with Mailman?

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[Mailman-Users] Some Subscribers Receiving 2 Copies of Each Message

[David Andrews]

I run a Sun Cobalt RAQ 550 with about 90 Mailman lists on it, each of 
which generally has between 100 and 300 subscribers.

Occasionally, I get a subscriber who says that they are receiving two 
copies of each and every message posted to a given list.  It even 
happened to me for a while, on one small not very active list.

Currently I am working with a user, who is technically reliable, he 
is only subscribed to one list from one address, and has never been 
subscribed to any other of our lists.  He receives two copies of each 
message to the list he is subscribed too, and since it runs about 150 
messages a day, he is getting annoyed.  Others on the list do not 
have this problem, but he forwarded two copies of a message to me, so 
I know it is true for him.  The messages looked identical to me.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Dave



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[Mailman-Users] Some Users Unable to Post

[David Andrews]

Hi:

I run a Sun Cobalt RAQ 550 with Mailman, and about 90 lists.  I have 
a few users, on various lists who are subscribed to a given list, who 
can reply to an existing message, but who can't post an original 
message.  they are then rejected as a non-member.  Any ideas?

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[Mailman-Users] Renaming or Deleting a List

[David Andrews]

Hi:

Is it possible to rename a list -- a major rename that is, not just 
case change that is mentioned in web interface?

If not, how do you delete a list -- and save or transfer its members?

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

[David Andrews]

I run about 80 lists via Mailman.  My ISP uses a spam filtering program called 
PostIni.  All mail goes through it, even though individual users may turn it 
off -- which I have.

Apparently, things can happen that cause PostIni to block mail to a user, it 
seems to happen at times of heavy spam, but the ISP doesn't seem to know much 
more, and they say the Postini folks won't talk about it, they consider it to 
be proprietary info.

Anyway, this is a long way to say that even though I am Administrator, I 
occasionally get disabled on one or more lists.  With so many lists I 
occasionally miss the message that Mailman sends.  Then I am off the list, and 
don't know it.

Is there any way to protect a list subscription, despite bounces?  

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[Mailman-Users] Removing Disabled List Members

[David Andrews]

I was under the impression, which may be wrong, that when a list 
subscription was disabled due to bounces, then a period of time 
passed, without the subscription being renewed by the user, that 
his/her address was automatically removed from the list.

Am I wrong.  This isn't happening with my system.  I run some 80 
lists, many of which are years old, so these things are starting to add up.

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[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman???

[David Andrews]

When I, or any of my users go to:

http://www.mydomain.org/mailman/listinfo

the following page comes up?  Any thoughts or suggestions?  Thanks!\



Dave



Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a 
copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description 
of what happened.
Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File /home/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
File /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 42, in main
listinfo_overview()
File /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 87, in listinfo_overview
mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
File /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__
self.Load()
File /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 608, in Load
raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/home/mailman/lists/greater-baltimore/config.db.last'


Python information:

Variable
Value
sys.version
2.3.3 (#1, May 27 2004, 16:20:45) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]
sys.executable
/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix
/usr/local
sys.exec_prefix
/usr/local
sys.path
/usr/local
sys.platform
linux2
table end

Environment variables:

Table with 2 columns and 28 rows
Variable
Value
HTTP_REFERER
http://www.nfbnet.org/
SERVER_SOFTWARE
Apache/1.3.29 Sun Cobalt (Unix) mod_jk mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.6m 
PHP/4.0.6 mod_auth_pam_external/0.1 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_perl/1.26
SCRIPT_NAME
/mailman/listinfo
SERVER_SIGNATURE

REQUEST_METHOD
GET
SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING

HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
HTTP_CONNECTION
Keep-Alive
SERVER_NAME
www.nfbnet.org
REMOTE_ADDR
156.99.37.65
SERVER_PORT
80
SERVER_ADDR
209.98.54.35
DOCUMENT_ROOT
/home/.sites/28/site1/web
PYTHONPATH
/home/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME
/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
SERVER_ADMIN
admin
SCRIPT_URI
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo
HTTP_HOST
www.nfbnet.org
SCRIPT_URL
/mailman/listinfo
REQUEST_URI
/mailman/listinfo
HTTP_ACCEPT
image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, 
application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash,
*/*
GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1
REMOTE_PORT
47375
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
en-us
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
gzip, deflate
UNIQUE_ID
QuUFrNFiNiMAAExq1JQ


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[Mailman-Users] Hidden Lists

[David Andrews]

I have a number of hidden non-public lists on my system.  Consequently they 
do not appear in the Admin Overview Page.  Is there a way to get them to 
appear there, but still be hidden to normal users?

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[Mailman-Users] Reply Command Acting Weird

[David Andrews]

I am running Mailman version 2.1.5.  I have a couple users reporting that when they 
use the Reply command in their mail program, that both the list address, and the 
sender of the original message, addresses are put there.  I have Mailman set to set 
reply to the list, so the sender shouldn't be there.  One user uses PM Mail, another 
Outlook Express.

Any ideas?

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