Re: [MlMt] Key binding for “show images”?
G'day, On 23 Dec 2021, at 16:49, Quinn Comendant wrote: I have DNS blocking, so some images are still blocked because of the hostname they load from, but it seems to consistently load all the images that I would expect to load. Are you sure it's DNS blocking? There are two buttons in Message window for Download Images and Download All Images; it appears that `loadImagesOnce` does the same as "Download Images" - what I want is an action that does same as "Download All Images". I have DNS blocking too (Pi-hole) but that's not the problem I'm seeing with `loadImagesOnce`. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Key binding for “show images”?
Good morning, On 23 Dec 2021, at 10:19, map...@gmail.com wrote: In my bindings plist I use this to load the images in a particular email though it doesn't work all that reliably in the newest betas because of some kind of tracker blocking or something. sometimes i have to press it multiple times and sometimes it doesn't work at all depending on the email. "loadImagesOnce:"; I'm keenly following this thread, since I'm having same issues with `loadImagesOnce` not working reliably. I'm wondering if there is a `loadAllImagesOnce` variant. (I guess I could just test it.) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MM mentioned on Late Night Linux
It seems at least one other MailMate user is also a listener of Late
Night Linux podcast. They answered a listener question from someone
looking for a linux email client that's as good as MailMate. :-D
I gave up using an iPad and will be getting a laptop, so that I can keep
using MailMate (& BBEdit) when out of the office. ;-)
Keep up the good work Benny.
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Re: [MlMt] Can't get SMTP account functioning
Others here may have more finessed suggestions; the sledgehammer approach is to delete the keychain item for that account from Keychain Access and start again. And yes, MailMate uses the secure keychain storage for saving and retrieving passwords. The alternative is to enter the password manually for each connection. -cng On 31 Aug 2021, at 8:28, dig...@contrawise.net wrote: @ Charlie Garrison, re the Activity Monitor: I selected the SMTP account in the monitor, and it appeared empty - despite many attempts to to send mail. I have a hunch about the problem's cause. It has to do with the Keychain. Does Apple's Keychain handle the login, or at least the password used at login? I may have screwed something up by denying a link between the keychain and MM. If so, perhaps no login activity can even begin to take place. Without an understanding of MM's login routine, I can only guess. The appearance, as I see it, is that the password credential information resides in the MM SMTP config, so the routine would get it from its place in the app, and log in with it. If the keychain is the actual source of the password - or if MM needs Keychain's blessing to use the password, I may have broken something. I have a vague memory of denying a link to the Keychain during configuration set-up. [I am somewhat suspicious of the Keychain, because it has interfered with my password manager in the past.] I think I understood the link to the keychain as 'optional'. I don't have a clear recollection, unfortunately. I can't be sure that happened while I set up the SMTP Login config. It might've. Sorry I can't be more specific. RD ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Can't get SMTP account functioning
On 29 Aug 2021, at 10:46, dig...@contrawise.net wrote: I thought, perhaps, the activity monitor. Seems nothing at all is happening there when I attempt to send myself test messages. Activity Monitor is the correct place. Click on (select) the line for your SMTP account, which will show activity logs for that connection. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Easiest way to attach a message as an EML attachment to an already existing draft?
On 9 Mar 2021, at 18:10, leo wrote:
Sometimes I want to send a few messages as EML attachments to another
email address. I can easily send _one_ message via
`Message —> Forward as Attachment`
This creates a draft with the EML attached. However I have no idea how
to easily attach a _second_ message as EML to that first draft.
I don't use that feature, but I think you want to do this:
- in list view, select the multiple messages you want to forward
- then do `Message —> Forward as Attachment`
Does that achieve what you want to do?
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Re: [MlMt] custom key to view as html
On 5 Mar 2021, at 13:11, Randy Bush wrote: perfect! but where did you find `fooAlternative` special function names? I don't recall, but probably from this list. Most of my key shortcuts came from examples shared on this list. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] custom key to view as html
On 5 Mar 2021, at 10:58, Randy Bush wrote: but i can not find the action name, and can not find how to find the \@U for keys. I have these in my keybindings (third one is not related, but I use it a lot so including it) ``` "h" = "previousAlternative:"; // shows text view of message "H" = "nextAlternative:"; // shows HTML view of message "L" = "loadImagesOnce:"; // load remote images once ``` I show html version by default, so the `previous/next` might need to be reversed for your use case. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] PGP/GPG signing and encrypting
On 12 Feb 2021, at 6:34, Eric A. Meyer wrote: All of this being a long-winded way of asking: does anyone have a gentle total-n00b's intro to getting this working? Command line is fine with me, if that's the best path. Also not wedded to the public/private key paid I generated online, since I've not shared the public key with anyone, so I'm happy to generate a new pair locally if that's recommended. I haven't used `brew`'s `gpg` so can't comment on that. You may find it easier to get started with Mac GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org They talk about a purchase, that's just for the plugin for Apple Mail (no plugin needed for MailMate); otherwise it's free software. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1
On 4 Feb 2021, at 15:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote: I know that MailMate is wedded to IMAP, which is fine with me. As a long-time MailMate user, I wonder if I can have my university mail automatically forwarded to another server, which can sync messages with MailMate using IMAP. Any ideas? Thanks. I have no idea about forwarding, and really no idea about ActiveSync. But, a couple of years ago I used `davmail` to connect to work email Exchange. Maybe it will help with ActiveSync. - https://github.com/mguessan/davmail - http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/compfac/faq/davmail.html -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Suggestion for a toolbar button to switch between plain text and html
On 11 Dec 2020, at 9:09, Robert Anders wrote: My default ist plain text 90% of the time, but sometimes there is no plain text alternative or it's broken or i (rarely) really do want to view the html version. There's a menu entry but a toggle in the toolbar as an option would be great. Menu shortcuts are configurable as part of Custom Key Bindings. I have these in my key bindings file: ``` "h" = "previousAlternative:"; // shows text view of message "H" = "nextAlternative:"; // shows HTML view of message (I have MM set to default to plain text when viewing messages) ``` I don't know whether there is a toolbar button for it. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] send as
On 23 Oct 2020, at 12:02, Evan Silberman wrote: > How can I setup MailMate to ‘send as” another alias? Under the "From" popup menu, select "Customise..." -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 7 Sep 2020, at 10:28, Antonio Leding wrote: As far as Readdle being able to access someone’s mailbox — this fear is somewhat unfounded. As soon any user configures their email account in an email client, the app maker now has access to user credentials and could, if they desire, access that email account at will. As someone else mentioned; this is straying way off topic. So in an effort to wrap this up... My initial comment was effectively "be informed" - I still stand by that comment. And I never said Spark is bad or not to use it. The only difference here is that Readdle is informing the users in a advance if what they are doing… I don't agree that is the only difference. I trust Benny (& other devs) to do the right thing. That means that MailMate never stores my email creds itself, and instead uses OS keychain, and I trust that MailMate is certainly not smuggling my creds to store on remote servers. That doesn't make MailMate right and Readdle wrong - but it does make them different. And I made an assumption that users of MailMate are more discerning than the average email user, so I shared my experiences, so others here can be informed. I trust I've achieved that now, and if I haven't then I doubt I can clarify it any further. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 6 Sep 2020, at 21:33, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
When using Gmail and other oauth based services they don’t get the
password just a token for that specific account thus I find this very
hard to believe.
They store "credentials" on their servers; whether that string is a
password or a token is irrelevant to me; they had direct access to my
mailboxes with those creds. Are you able to revoke the token they have
stored on their servers? At least the password is something you can
change (to revoke access).
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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 6 Sep 2020, at 3:20, Antonio Leding wrote: If you have a different interpretation or know where I missed it, please share… :=) Yes, I have a different interpretation, based on my experience using Spark a few years ago. Their docs don't clarify whether anything has changed; I suspect it hasn't. When I reported the "breach" to them at the time; they clearly stated the passwords were kept on their servers, and the account they were accessing (on my behalf) was a bug and that shouldn't have happened. It would have been impossible to happen had they not "stolen" email creds. Unless they have changed, Spark keeps creds __on their servers__ and not just in IMAP client. Reading between the lines of their docs; their servers access your mailboxes directly (not just via iOS app), which is how they know when to send push notifications. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 6 Sep 2020, at 0:13, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: If I understand this correctly, Spark's architecture requires them to have access to your email passwords. To me, that's a complete non-starter; your email password is the most important one you have, since it can be used to reset all of your other passwords. That's an important distinction too. It's the difference between giving someone the keys to your house (Spark) -vs- letting them peer through the front door (Edison). I don't want anyone doing either, but they are still very different risk profiles. It's not ok with me when companies hide either behaviour. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 5 Sep 2020, at 22:38, Bryce Wray wrote: Just so you know, the folks behind Edison Mail (which, admittedly, is a nice-to-use app) have had their shares of privacy issues, too: I didn't know, and I'll have to read more about it. I did confirm they were not saving creds, but I didn't check whether they were sending other data back. Disappointing and frustrating. :-/ -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 5 Sep 2020, at 0:36, Robert Goldman wrote: That sounds right from what I see here: https://sparkmailapp.com/blog/privacy-explained Yep, that's the one. They have certainly put some marketing spin in there: Spark needs to check and send emails from your email account. Otherwise, you won’t be able to read or compose emails in the app. This is how every email client works. Personally, I read that as a flat-out lie. Pretty much every email client works just fine without sending your email password to store on remote servers somewhere else. Spark requires the server-side processing to send you push notifications, so you don’t miss important emails. This is how the Apple Push Notification service works. That one isn't a lie, but very misleading. The IDLE command (or whatever it's called) works a treat within IMAP itself, so I get timely notifications for email (without needing Apple's push notification service). Having re-read their privacy policy, I stand by my comments earlier. Just be aware that Spark is keeping your password and processing email on their __servers__, not just on your phone. If you are OK with that, then go for it; Spark has a good UI. This is now way off-topic for this list. But I still feel the pain where I got burnt and have scars from dealing with Spark, and I feel I have to warn others who obviously have good taste since they have chosen MailMate. :-) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client
On 5 Sep 2020, at 0:22, Robert Goldman wrote: On 4 Sep 2020, at 6:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders and does not choke on the big inbox. The critical question for me with an iOS client for compatibility is whether or not it supports IMAP tags. Does Spark do this? Fair warning to all who are looking at new mail programs - read __very carefully__ the privacy policy for Spark. Unless they have changed, using their program means giving __their servers__ access to all your email. If you don't mind handing over all your email, the Spark UI isn't too bad. I use email mostly for business and giving Spark access to all of it was complete non-starter. (Which I discovered the hard way, and then had a fun couple of days working out how bad the damage was. 😞) I have complete trust in MailMate though, and it would be nice to have an iOS alternative that is as nice to use. I chose Edison Mail (Email) - it's no MailMate, but good enough to replace Apple Mail on my phone and tablet. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] pasting text from Word into a message
On 29 Aug 2020, at 17:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: It's not a known issue, but it might be tricky to fix without breaking something else. I think the best is probably to add an explicit shortcut for pasting as text allowing the user to force MailMate to pick the text alternative. That would likely be ⌥⇧⌘V. I'll make a note of that. I don't have Word to test (or other simple way to get both TXT and image on pasteboard). But try ⇧⌘V for plain-text paste - I think that's an OS shortcut - it works everywhere I've tried it. (It could be handled by an installed utility though, rather than OS.) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving from Apple Mail to Mailmate
On 27 Aug 2020, at 3:42, Antonio Leding wrote: I must admit that while I have already setup a few accounts in MM, I had not yet noticed that in-app local message storage was not available (just hadn’t tried it yet) so thank you for educating me there. With that in mind, does anyone know why this wasn’t implemented? Was this intentional, too much work, etc? Also, is there sufficient user desire for implementing in-app local storage? I admit that as I write, this, I am forced to consider that maybe not having this feature is a blessing in disguise because it probably forces some of us to use a more reliable archival process and\or not keeping large amounts of mail on the server. The local -vs- server storage issue may need some clarification. MailMate doesn't have local __only__ storage. MailMate __does__ store a __copy__ of messages locally. So if you are offline, you still have access to all your messages. You can even move messages to different mailboxes; when MailMate reconnects to the IMAP server it will sync all the changes (both local and from server). The "authoritative" storage is on the server, with "cache" storage locally. For me, that's best of both worlds. To reduce the amount of server storage, like others on this list, I use both local Dovecot and archival outside MM. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Modifying Reply Date Format
On 11 Jun 2020, at 10:09, Pete Resnick wrote: Charlie: First, do note that this is for the intro line in the message, not the Date: header field, which would be used for the important stuff. The Date: field is formatted unambiguously as part of the protocol. For the intro bit, it's already ambiguous in that it doesn't include the time zone, so no need to get too fussy about that part. As someone who grew up using US dates, and then switched 30 years ago, I know both sides. And it's the human reading the intro line I was referring to; humans are easily confused by nature. I know to accept both formats, and I can still get it wrong. Also, totally numeric is OK if you follow RFC 3339, which has a nice format of -mm-dd. Even though you could switch month and day, even us stupid Americans don't usually do that when the year comes first; it's so unusual to have the year first, that we generally figure out that the month comes next. ;-) Sure, the iso8601 standard is fine. But I made an assumption :-O that "uncouth Americans" would not use that format. If using iso8601, then all numbers is just fine and dandy. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Modifying Reply Date Format
On 11 Jun 2020, at 4:30, m...@rhp.tw wrote:
When one replies to an email, MailMate formats the date/time like
so `On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:18...` While I understand that is how most
of the world references dates and times, I am one of those uncouth
Americans and wondering if there is a way to change the format?
Please don't change it to all numbers; at best, US dates can be
ambiguous, and can be downright misleading if used for anything
important (like restoring from backups, and getting wrong backup because
arrogant company assumes everyone is American). Basically, use any
format you like, as long as it can only be interpreted one way.
Ambiguity leads to pain which leads to loss of income; just don't do it.
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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…
On 8 Feb 2020, at 6:35, Sam Hathaway wrote: The short version is that there’s no way to do push notifications for IMAP accounts on iOS without their server logging into your account and keeping an IDLE connection open. Which is why I use iOS client which keeps an IDLE connection; it works "just fine" (or something similar with iOS background functionality). I didn't bother looking into details of it; I tried it; it worked; I used it. Many iOS email clients do this. It’s the price you pay for having timely push notifications. FYI, I found Edison and Preside both provide iOS notifications, and neither needs a central server with access to all my email. I have seen other email clients since advertise similar functionality. No need to give away access to all your email. So yes, giving away access to all your email is one way to pay the price. It's not a price I'm willing to pay, so I paid the price of looking for alternatives with smart background handling. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…
On 7 Feb 2020, at 10:04, Jim Cook wrote: Thanks Bill, all is now explained. I’m awaiting a helpful response from the Spark support team. Carefully read their privacy policy, and then decide whether you are still happy having any of their software near any of your devices. You may not want to be dealing with their support either. They are not doing anything illegal; since they clearly state they are going to take over your email accounts. I was far from happy allowing a dodgy company to take over my email accounts. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…
On 7 Feb 2020, at 1:15, Bill Cole wrote: No, but there's almost certainly a Spark in your iPhone. See https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/unexpected-message-created-in-draft-folder/7ffd85e5-87e3-4209-a36d-a657e415e301 and look for "Maria from Readdle" Spark has horrible and disgusting business practices that they hide behind slick marketing. I think there needs to be a public announcement advising users against ever downloading Spark. [My comments are based on bad experience a couple of years ago; things may have changed since, but I doubt it.] -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] apple mail sound on catalina
On 13 Dec 2019, at 7:46, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: I only can select sounds like glass, blow, etc. No Apple mail incoming sound. The name of the sound file may have changed. I was using custom mailbox icons from Mail.app; they stopped working Catalina due to name change. So I copied them out of Mail.app so I could have a consistent copy of all icons that I want for MailMate. Try copying the sound file out of Mail.app and put in your ~/Library/Sounds folder. Then you should be able to select it. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Problem with Exchange imap
On 9 Oct 2019, at 17:14, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: I love using Mailmate, and I also use it at work. Unfortunately there we only have an Exchange as Email system. Sind the last exchange update, everything worked awsomely. But now, the connection to the server just times out, more or less. It keeps "doodeling" for ages, not updating. The Activity log is more or less empty: I've used [DavMail](http://davmail.sourceforge.net/index.html) in the past, when I had to access Exchange hosted email. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Extending togglefilterkey to switch work/personal mail on/off ?
On 23 Aug 2019, at 9:56, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: ..but can keyboard shortcuts modify that same environment ? Key shortcuts __within__ MailMate, yes. You might need a bundle to make it work (I don't know it well enough). -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Extending togglefilterkey to switch work/personal mail on/off ?
On 23 Aug 2019, at 9:37, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: I have _alot_ of smart subfolders which has shared rules between work and personal. I would have to recreate/duplicate all those for each - that would be bummer :) I think the filters can read from the `ENVIRONMENT` vars. If so, then you could create a key shortcut to set a ENV var and use that as the home vs work toggle. This is for Bundles, but may be useful: - https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual/wiki/Bundles#environment -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Extending togglefilterkey to switch work/personal mail on/off ?
On 23 Aug 2019, at 6:22, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
At times I would like to just have work mail visible other times just
my personal mails.
I was wondering if there was a way to extend toggleFilterKey to be
something I could use together
with a condition on smart folders ?
I have two separate Smart Mailboxes so I can have different "views" of
messages. Instead of having a toggle in the filters; how about using a
key shortcut to switch between the two Smart Mailboxes.
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Re: [MlMt] Gravatar-hack for MailMate
On 4 Mar 2019, at 1:12, John Cooper wrote: You did. You must know more than me then. I found the following to be ambiguous: The attached file needs to be saved in this folder: /Users//Application Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts/headersFormatting.plist You might need to create Resources and Layouts and you currently need the latest test release of MailMate 1.x for this to work: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. I read that as needing the latest release for the headersFormatting.plist. So I tried it, and it didn't work, and I asked for clarification. Next time I won't do that; I'll just ask the crystal ball instead of getting snark from this list. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Gravatar-hack for MailMate
On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 26 Feb 2019, at 14:02, Charlie Garrison wrote: It's not working for me though; would that be due to me using a beta version rather than latest 1.x release? Yes, I _think_ I noted that in my initial email, but I might be wrong :) Yes, you said the latest release was needed, but didn't mention the 2.x series. And you didn't say whether the latest version was needed to support Gravatar or the headersFormatting.plist file. I know the 2.x series supports the headersFormatting.plist file, so figured it must also support the Gravatar hack (since it's just additional html). Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Gravatar-hack for MailMate
On 22 Feb 2019, at 21:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
In this case, it's fairly simple what you need to do if you already
have the `longFormatting` key defined. The file should start with
this:
Thanks for that. I understand the changes now.
It's not working for me though; would that be due to me using a beta
version rather than latest 1.x release?
Semi-related question, is there a way to view the rendered html in the
headers? During this I noted that earlier custom changes I made to
headersFormatting.plist are not working as expected. Suggestions for
troubleshooting it?
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Re: [MlMt] Gravatar-hack for MailMate
Good morning, On 22 Feb 2019, at 1:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: The attached file needs to be saved in this folder: /Users//Application Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts/headersFormatting.plist I've already got a custom headersFormatting.plist which is quite different from the one you supplied. Would you be willing to point out what the differences are for the Gravatar icon? Or, is there any docco to explain the structure of the headersFormatting.plist file? Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
On 25 Jan 2019, at 0:16, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: I couldn’t make it work. MailMate repeatedly asked for the password although it was correct. The log shows: Server response: “A0 NO LOGIN failed”. How did you manage to configure it? I don't recall any specifics; it was nearly two years ago. I do recall it was quick and simple to setup and worked flawlessly. I think all I did was configure davmail to point to the exchange server and pointed MailMate to the davmail server. The rest was automagic. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
On 22 Jan 2019, at 17:28, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: Bad news. I have to use exchange to handle my work emails. I would rather use mailmate but mailmate doesn’t support exchange. That’s too bad. I’ve tried davmail to get mailmate handle it but with no success. The exchange server doesn't support neither imap nor smtp. Forwarding mails isn’t allowed as well. What should I do now? It seems that I have to switch back to Apple mail :( What was the problem with davmail? I've used it successfully in the past with MailMate. (That company contract ended so haven't needed it for a while.) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Menubar icon
On 2 Jan 2019, at 12:36, Sherman Wilcox wrote: Also take a look at BarTender for managing an unruly menu bar. Agreed! And because Bartender does that so well; I can keep the MailMate icons in the primary menu bar. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Menubar icon
On 2 Jan 2019, at 12:30, Dave C wrote: The green menubar icon with number that indicates MailMate status, how can I get rid of this icon? My menubar is quite crowded. Prefs -> Counters -> In Menu Bar checkbox -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Scheduling questions, one on topic and one off-topic
On 27 Apr 2018, at 16:20, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
I'm more interested in the date, BusyCal - which I use - focus on
friday and puts the event today, not next week. Calendar schedules the
seminar correctly. I'm curious what Fantastical says.
Fantastical creates the event next Friday.
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Re: [MlMt] Scheduling questions, one on topic and one off-topic
On 26 Apr 2018, at 23:29, Jan Erik Moström wrote: Off-topic question: if someone of you is using Fantasical, where does it create an event given a text like this "Educational seminar that will take place on Friday May 4th starting at 13:30 in the MIT-place seminar room" I've got an "old" version of Fantastical. The above string results in a location of "MIT-place seminar room". Is that what you were asking? -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Script to open message in specific browser and delete all messages with same Subject
Good afternoon, On 15 Mar 2018, at 12:58, Randall Gellens wrote: Is it possible to create a script that would open the selected message in a specific web browser, or find a particular URL within the selected message and open that in a specific web browser? And then delete it and all messages with the same Subject? Check some of the ‘command’ bundles; there’s a few that will grab a link from message and open that in a browser. I’m not sure about opening in a specific browser, but there are few ‘browser launchers’ (eg Browser Fairly) that can handle that task. I’ve not looked at scripts for finding and deleting messages; I’m pretty sure it’s doable. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Security
On 19 Jan 2018, at 9:53, Daniel Torrecillas wrote: Thank you. I've been looking around at email clients and I saw that Airmail and Spark both had some sort of additional functionality which required them to store email addresses and associated passwords on their servers. That makes me uncomfortable. I couldn’t get Spark off my phone quick enough when I found out how they were abusing my details. :-O You can be heaps more comfortable and relaxed with MailMate; it’s a proper email client that doesn’t strive to move personal details into the cloud. (I’m starting to RANT; it’s the fault of Spark though; I was shocked when I learned how much of my data, including passwords, they had copied off my phone.) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Hide Quota %
On 16 Jan 2018, at 4:36, Mike Brasch wrote:
Why it is reporting megabytes instead of gigabytes? MailMate is
reporting 69.1% (1.3MiB of 1.9MiB)", the Fastmail web interface 69%
(1382MB of 2000MB).
Heheh, my quota (& usage) are being displayed in the KB range. All my
mailboxes are apparently way under 1MB in size. :-D
17.3% of Quota Used (43.2 KiB of 250 KiB)
I checked disk usage on the server for that account; disk usage for the
directory (including dovecot indexes, etc) is 56MB.
Benny, what sort of info do you want for diagnosing this one?
-cng
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Re: [MlMt] High Sierra, APFS, Time Machine, and MailMate...
Good morning, On 12 Dec 2017, at 1:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I was going to suggest leaving out the index (the `Database.noindex` folder) since that doesn't behave well with Time Machine. Could you please expand on that? What is the issue with backing up the index? Is it something specific to Time Machine or backups in general? More importantly, is it an issue that snapshots will solve? (I’m doing a custom backup of just MailMate, specifically so I don’t lose the index; rebuilding it is NOT fun. It seems to work just fine but maybe I’m missing some hidden problems.) -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] High Sierra, APFS, Time Machine, and MailMate...
On 11 Dec 2017, at 13:14, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Seems like an improbable subject line--but is anyone else who uses MailMate on High Sierra/APFS suddenly having serious Time Machine performance issues? I am, on two different laptops. An iMac, which has a hard drive and hence HFS+, is not having any trouble. Time Machine is working normally for me. You didn’t see what your Time Machine destination is. That would be my first suspect. The overall symptom is that backups take *many hours*, with sudden, inexplicable stalls. I say "inexplicable" because Activity Monitor shows essentially no CPU, network, or disk activity -- but the backup just *stops*. I normally don't run MailMate on one of the laptops; its backups complete in a rational amount of time. When I do, it sees the same stalls. In fact, I'm running MailMate on it right now so that I can see what happens on my primary laptop when I exit MailMate. Sure enough, that machine is now behaving. Note, TimeMachine takes a snapshot when backing up APFS volumes, so there “shouldn’t” be any difference with MailMate running or not. I suspect that’s really a symptom of what the real problem is. My suspicion is that the problem has to do with very large directories on APFS file systems, but I don't know that for sure. I have some very large mailboxes, though, and these are of course active when MailMate is running. And of course, that doesn't explain why I don't see any system activity. Due to the way APFS works, I’d be surprised if that’s the issue. Is anyone else seeing this? Does anyone have any work-arounds, other than "don't have such large mailboxes" or "don't run APFS"? I do have a new laptop on order; I'm seriously tempted to reformat it as HFS+ before I start using it. If that new laptop has an SSD, then APFS is your only choice. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Focus on message list
On 31 Oct 2017, at 10:04, Alex Abdo wrote: That’s extremely helpful. Thanks, Charlie. I have a keybinding for what you have as 0, but the others seem good, too. I use the third one (to select next unread message) all the time. It would still be nice if MlMt focused more intuitively on the message list when appropriate, but the workarounds work, I suppose. I wouldn’t consider them workarounds; they are documented solutions for customising MailMate to your tastes. The “when appropriate” requirement can be customised as appropriate for each user. The documentation could be improved; eg. I’d like to see a complete list of possible actions that can be used. Aside from that though, I think Benny has made a good solution for customising keystrokes. Aside from macro programs (& scripts), all other apps just allow setting a keystroke for a single action, MailMate allows a sequence of actions; very cool. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Focus on message list
On 31 Oct 2017, at 7:32, Alex Abdo wrote:
Is there any keyboard shortcut to quickly focus the cursor in Mailmate
on the message list?
Have you already created a custom key bindings file? I’m pretty sure
it’s covered in the manual.
Here are a few entries from my key bindings plist file:
"0" = ("makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline"); // move focus to message
list
"9" = ("makeFirstResponder:", "messageView"); // move focus to message
view (for scrolling with arrows)
"n" = ("makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline", "nextUnreadMessage:"); //
move focus to message list, select next unread message
-cng
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Re: [MlMt] Share with Mailmate message not at the front most
On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:02, Youri SREBOT wrote: When sharing a pdf from Preview, Word, Excel… we have a message window asking to confirm the action and after the mail is generated with the attachment in Mailmate. - 1. I personally find the confirmation window a waste of time more than anything as the “Sahre with Mailmate” action is very unlikely to be hit unintentionally. What do you think guys? Need? No need? - 2. More annoying is the fact that the message generated in Mailmate doesn’t appear in a window at the front most. In a clustered environment it is a waste of time to have to find the message generated. Any possibility to modify this behavior? I’m sure Benny will clarify, but I believe that is a warning dialog from the OS. There is nothing Mailmate can do to avoid it. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and DavMail
On 16 Aug 2017, at 23:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I'm pretty sure I have users using DavMail I used DavMail to access a work account for a year. I found it to be completely transparent with MailMate. -cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Gravatar in header view and other customizations
On 14 Jun 2017, at 9:41, Padraic Renaghan wrote:
What are you using for user.png?
Colored version of
http://fontawesome.io/icon/user/
I may be making some assumptions then. Many of the avatars are showing
as ‘missing image’ icon. I was assuming that was due me not having a
file that matches code like this:
```
prefix = { string = "id=\"h-from-img\" class=\"h-img\" onerror=\"imageError(this)\"
src=\"file:///Users/me/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/user.png\"/>class=\"header_body\">"; };
```
I don’t have the file `…/MmMessagesWebView/user.png`, I just assumed
that was cause of ‘missing image’ icon. Without the “Show
Inspector” functionality, I can’t tell what the missing image is.
Can you suggest what I need to do to fix the missing images?
OK, worked it out (sending this reply anyway in case it helps others).
I copied the FontAwesome user icon, pasted into a new file and saved
that as user.png. Everything works now.
Strangely though (to me), the user icon shows briefly, and is then
replaced with another icon/avatar. I suspect the user.png is a
placeholder, and when it can’t be found, no further processing is done
to load images. Now that it can be found, processing continues and
gravatar/favicon/etc get loaded.
All looks pretty good now. :-)
Another topic…
You removed the display of email address in favour of name-only. I
prefer to have both displayed; can you point me to which part of the
file I need to edit? I had a look at the headersFormatting.plist file
from MailMate’s Layouts dir, but the two files have diverged enough
I’m not sure where to look for code to change.
Which leads me to… do you have plans to incorporate any changes Benny
makes to the original file?
Or, Benny, any thoughts on incorporating gravatar/user icons into
MailMate?
Thanks,
Charlie
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Re: [MlMt] Gravatar in header view and other customizations
On 7 Jun 2017, at 8:35, Padraic Renaghan wrote: Hope someone finds this useful. Great effort, looks like a great addition for MailMate users. What are you using for user.png? I don’t see that image and it appears to be used as ‘catch-all’. Some of the other stuff is cool to see as well, like messageVerifications.plist. I knew that sort of stuff was possible, but I hadn’t looked at any examples. Thanks for making this available. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange server
Good morning, On 11 May 2017, at 1:38, Sam Hathaway wrote: One alternative might be to use DavMail, which provides standards-compliant protocols in front of a proprietary Exchange server. http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ +1 I use this to access $work’s exchange server. I set it up ages ago and haven’t touched it since. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markers and Joined Files
On 17 Mar 2017, at 17:06, Jim McCarty wrote: When I join files with markers at the beginning and the end of each file (AIFF format), the resulting markers do not maintain their positions in the resulting joined file. AP Version 2.3.1 (1729). Wrong list?? -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Screen flashing during message composition
On 16 Feb 2017, at 22:02, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: In fact, I think it's a MailMate bug somehow related to how MailMate updates the window when updating the preview. It doesn’t happen to me often, and the flickering is brief. But based on observed behaviour, I had concluded it was a delay in markdown to html processing. It ‘feels’ like the preview goes blank (black), the markdown->html processor runs, then displays the results. But it happens seldom enough that I may not have the right ‘feel’ for it. until after I've finished some code which should make the update of the preview asynchronous. I suspect that would resolve the flickering. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] subfolders only if unread ?
On 6 Feb 2017, at 19:20, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Yes, I want to be able to toggle between them. Mainly from unread to read. Not the other way around. OK, I thought that’s what I was suggesting. Apologies for either not understanding you or not explaining myself well. Hopefully someone else can suggest a solution for you. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] subfolders only if unread ?
On 6 Feb 2017, at 9:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: yes, so the new window is missing the context. OK, just ignore me then, I must have missed something along the way. I thought you were looking for a way to reduce the current list of messages to show just the unread messages. -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] subfolders only if unread ?
On 5 Feb 2017, at 20:39, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Yours has the problem i would loose the current selection and would need to search/naviagte for that again. That’s what the new window is for. The previous window maintains the current selection. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] subfolders only if unread ?
On 4 Feb 2017, at 1:28, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: And if it is for mailing list I'll like to see if there were other mails posted without having to change the smart mailbox or do a new search. Having a show/hide unread is built into all mail clients I know except mailmate and apple mail ;) It may well be possible to do with some of the commands available in the key shortcuts. Being able to chain actions makes it quite powerful. I’d look for commands to do something like: - open mailbox in new window - change search to show only un/read It’s not quite the same, but should be usable with a single keystroke. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] subfolders only if unread ?
On 3 Feb 2017, at 10:44, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: I've asked before if it was possible to have a toggle on folders to show/hide unread. I'm still eagerly waiting for that - but I was wondering if that is too hard to now, how about being able to have the submailboxes only show up if there are unread ? Would that be feasible ? Then I at least don't have to have a mile long list in the mailbox view. Sounds like a job for a smart mailbox. I have various smart mailboxes for showing only unread messages. Is there a reason for not using a smart mailbox? cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inline image in signature - how to?
On 1 Feb 2017, at 7:56, Thomas Nyman wrote:
But... it's such a "perdy" little image!
Ok ok, I hear and shall consider compliance.
I don’t think anyone said not to use an image, but to use it more
thoughtfully. Rather than duplicating the image with __every__ message
(& message reply), create __one__ copy of the image on your web server,
and put a __link__ to the image in your sig. It’s common practice
(although still not liked by many) to put an image __link__ in html
sigs; just not the image itself.
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Re: [MlMt] Inline image in signature - how to?
On 1 Feb 2017, at 2:18, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: … and they are going to be in every email going forward and back taking up space on both servers and personal computers. And in backups too! I was listening to a (mailing list) conversation recently where a sysadmin measured the cost of backing up their mail system when __every__ message included the attachment vs without the image attachment. When management saw that increased cost; they decided that linking to images on the server, rather than embedding, was a __much__ better idea. ;-) cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Downloading utility?
On 18 Jan 2017, at 13:40, John Muccigrosso wrote: How did you install Dovecot? I installed it on a linux box on my LAN, but for installing on OSX I’d go with brew. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Downloading utility?
On 18 Jan 2017, at 11:37, Dave C wrote: If MM continues to be “IMAP-only”, I’ve been thinking of way to download my messages from the mail server and store them on my computer so as to archive them, if I want to save them all. (After all, the mail server has limits to how much storage I’m allowed…) Anyone else thought about a parallel mail program or downloader utility that will download messages after X days after being received? Yes, Dovecot as parallel program, and use MailMate as the downloading program. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature
On 22 Dec 2016, at 0:08, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: Sorry for any confusion I have caused, I don’t think you caused any confusion. ;-) I jumped in since I was having a similar problem, but my issue was ‘lack’ of formatting unless I introduce a blank line. I would like for my sig content to be on the following line from the sig marker, not with a blank line between sig marker and sig content. Benny, I gave an example in an earlier message in this thread. Would it be helpful if I sent a proper report to feedback address. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature
On 21 Dec 2016, at 10:41, Sam Hathaway wrote: But, "dash dash space" *is* the proper sig marker, right? As (I think) we covered earlier in this thread? Does MailMate fall down on "dash dash space"? I haven’t tested with different sig markers, but Verdon said: Introducing the space on either end leads to the being ignored by the markdown processor I read that to mean that MailMate fails with dash,dash,space. And yes, reading the Usenet RFC, dash,dash,space,newline is correct sig marker. cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature
On 21 Dec 2016, at 0:42, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: Introducing the space on either end leads to the <dash><dash> being ignored by the markdown processor Hmm, the markdown processor needs a cluestick. Benny, how much control do you have over the markdown processor, can you fix it so it handles proper sig markers? cng -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] More questions
On 20 Dec 2016, at 2:11, Robert M. Münch wrote: 1. Is there a way to apply smart inbox rules in real-time. So, when marking a message as read that it won't show up any longer in my "unread" smartbox? I’m not sure real-time updating of lists is a good idea. Personally, I prefer the message to remain in the list until I say “Refresh”, at which point the unread messages are removed from that smart mailbox. I have attached ‘refresh’ to a key shortcut “R”. So once I’m done, a quick tap on R key and message list is, well, refreshed. -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature
On 20 Dec 2016, at 7:51, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:
I found that <space><dash><dash> worked for me… I
think ;-)
Unless given good reason otherwise, I’ll stay with the spec (RFC) for
now.
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3
Or for unofficial but easier to read:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block (“Signatures in Usenet
postings” section)
Yes, the references were originally for Usenet before being adopted by
email.
I’ve been using dash,dash,space for 20 years; I’ll need a compelling
reason before I switch. ;-)
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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature
On 19 Dec 2016, at 23:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 14 Dec 2016, at 21:39, Charlie Garrison wrote: Feature request: Give special treatment to the signature marker so it’s not interpreted as Markdown formatting. I do give it special treatment, but only to `--` and not `--`. Note the added space. I can’t tell which variant has the extra space in your example. According to specs, the signature marker should be which is what I use for my sigs. If you’re saying that dash,dash,space gets special treatment already, then maybe there is a bug. Compare the two sigs below, both with dash,dash,space sig marker, and are identical except for blank line after sig marker (I removed blank line from first one). -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Couple of Questions
On 19 Dec 2016, at 22:25, Robert M. Münch wrote: 1. In the mail list I'm missing some times in the received columns when the date is shown as "yesterday" Is the column wide enough to show times as well? (I’ve not seen that problem so just taking wild guess.) -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] # messages in a thread
On 19 Dec 2016, at 23:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: While I remember, the latest test release includes an optional “Thread Size” column. Very nice; thanks for that feature (that I didn’t even know I wanted). ;-) -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature
On 15 Dec 2016, at 7:25, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: … my email auto-formats the closing line as something big and bold, and I now have a formatted email instead of a simple plain text, which is completely unnecessary in most cases. Is there some preference I am missing that will stop that behaviour? It’s the Markdown header formatting. Put a blank line between the dashes and the signature content. Feature request: Give special treatment to the signature marker so it’s not interpreted as Markdown formatting. Charlie PS. Note the blank line in my sig; the markdown formatting breaks without that blank line. -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts
I meant to delete this one, when I realised I was replying to wrong
message. (Not sure how I messed up that one, oh well.)
On 6 Dec 2016, at 8:18, Charlie Garrison wrote:
On 5 Dec 2016, at 20:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
I don't think Contacts needs to be launched for the Address Book
framework (which is what MailMate uses to get the email addresses) to
provide up to date information.
I can’t recall the last time I opened Contacts, the system address
book (used by Contacts, MailMate & other apps) continues to sync
just fine.
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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts
On 5 Dec 2016, at 20:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
I don't think Contacts needs to be launched for the Address Book
framework (which is what MailMate uses to get the email addresses) to
provide up to date information.
I can’t recall the last time I opened Contacts, the system address
book (used by Contacts, MailMate & other apps) continues to sync just
fine.
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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts
On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:21, Cevc, Baltasar wrote: Regarding lookup, I will then continue to open Apple Contacts for (“read-only”) sync from time to time. I can’t recall the last time I opened Contacts, the system address book (used by Contacts, MailMate & other apps) continues to sync just fine, no need to open Contacts for syncing to happen. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts
On 30 Nov 2016, at 22:49, Robert Brenstein wrote: So, to rephrase it, if someone does not want to mix email-related contacts with regular contacts, one should designate Apple's Contacts as basically a private address book for MailMate and use BusyContacts or else for regular contacts. Right? I don’t about “should” do it that way, but certainly “could” do it that way. For me, I just use contact groups; business contacts in one group, personal in a second group. Of course some are in both groups, and I have a couple of extra groups for special use cases. -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SpamSieve and Inbox vs All Messages
On 21 Nov 2016, at 9:56, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
In my experience: Yes.
If you have some other program filtering email before MM sees them,
set up a smart mailbox for "unread emails everywhere" and then point
SpamSieve to that. Works nicely.
Thanks Jan.
I also decided to just test it, but like getting the feedback too.
Charlie
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[MlMt] SpamSieve and Inbox vs All Messages
Good morning, I’ve had SpamSieve set to apply to new messages in “All Messages”, but that also catches outgoing messages. If I change that setting to “Inbox”, will messages get passed through SpamSieve before being filtered into another mailbox? Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] read mail threads becomes unread again ?
On 15 Nov 2016, at 19:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Anyone know what might be causing it ? I have no idea of the actual trigger for it, but I do know of at least one symptom. I don’t often use email on my phone (Spark) so when I do open it there are lots of ‘old’ messages that Spark thinks I haven’t read yet. But as soon as I launch Spark, it syncs and then starts marking those messages as read. But it must send ‘unread’ status to server for some messages, cause when I get back to MailMate I’ll have a dozen ‘old’ messages marked unread. IOW, it seems Spark doesn’t do proper server sync until being launched, at which point some sort of race condition starts. -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] A Few Questions/Suggestions
Good morning, On 3 Nov 2016, at 3:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Undocumented and maybe only used by me, MailMate does have some support for … It doesn’t really matter how the above sentence ends; my curiosity is piqued. :-) In this particular case though, in my previous MUA, I did take advantage of messages templates and AppleScript for auto-data-enter into messages. Any ‘hooks’ available in MailMate are of interest, even for an alpha quality feature. :-) Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Viewing text vs HTML part of message
Good morning, On 24 Oct 2016, at 8:21, Bill Cole wrote: On 23 Oct 2016, at 16:53, Charlie Garrison wrote: On 22 Oct 2016, at 2:45, Bill Cole wrote: This seems like an excessively complex alternative to the "Prefer plain text" checkbox in the Preferences->Viewer pane... But doesn’t that apply to all mailboxes? Yes. Which is how the FSM intended all email to be and to be read: plain text in the One True Encoding, US-ASCII. :) I don’t need to be convinced. I didn’t even know what html email looked like until a few months ago. ;-) I have found it better to now accept html email rather than keep telling clients I missed their “inline comments in red” and so “didn’t see their request”. IOW, there is a subset of messages which is large enough that I want to keep default to show html. (I’ll forget to go hunting for possible comments with html highlighting). But there are some messages (like the mailing list) which are downright offensive as html. I agree that email should be plain-text, but I also believe that war is lost and the pragmatic approach is to switch to a client like MailMate. I still feel like I’ve got a plain-text MUA, but with modern concessions. I’m still going to wait to hear if Benny has any clever suggestions for per-mailbox view prefs. Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Viewing text vs HTML part of message
Good morning, On 22 Oct 2016, at 2:46, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: OTOH, a nice little toolbar icon that switched between versions wouldn’t be bad. I’ve currently got a key shortcut to switch between them, but that’s still quite tedious when reading a busy list. I’ll wait to hear from Benny; if there is no better solution I’ll just create a compound key shortcut for both “next message” and “plain-text view”. But that’s starting to get hacky, since that means I’ll also need a new mouse gesture to trigger the new key shortcut. Here’s a +1 for per-mailbox view preferences. (Or if already exists, pointer to some docco pls) Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Viewing text vs HTML part of message
On 22 Oct 2016, at 2:45, Bill Cole wrote: This seems like an excessively complex alternative to the "Prefer plain text" checkbox in the Preferences->Viewer pane... But doesn’t that apply to all mailboxes? I don’t want plain-text for __everything__, just one mailbox, so I can rid of overly big html/images (feels like its inspired by Facebook) from new mailing list system. -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Viewing text vs HTML part of message
Good morning, A mailing list I subscribe to has changed their mailing list server. As a result, *every* message is delivered as both html and text, and the html version hurts my eyes. How can I configure a sub-mailbox (single mailing list) of smart mailbox to always shows the text mime part, in preference to html? Thanks, Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Applying default columns to smart mailboxes
Good morning, On 12 Oct 2016, at 1:06, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: What does get fixed/added is always going to be what I'm motivated to fix/add. I'm not a robot. This is where I can perhaps give you a little hint. It's not on purpose, but I've noticed that I'm demotivated every time there's a negative outburst here, on Twitter, or in the ticket system. I guess it's just human nature. Yep, basic human nature. None of us like making a good conscious effort, just to be shot down. For those who haven’t done it themselves, software development is __NOT__ easy. Benny has done a fantastic job; I’m simply quite amazed at what he has created and manages to keep improving (fixes and features). My opinion is Benny is quite good at answering questions and giving feedback. Keep things civil and you’ll get a good response. If you’re not happy with that; there are other email programs and developers who you can give bad attitude too. I really like MailMate and appreciate Benny’s effort. I believe we should all support him since in the end, that supports us. Benny, sorry if I stepped a bit too far over the line, but your sentiments hit home, and triggered my human nature. I felt compelled to step forward. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] choice of mailserver on osx
Good evening, On 10 Feb 2016, at 20:17, Marc ARC wrote: We are looking for advice for a good, very functional, well supported ( and not to expensive, open source ? ) IMAP-mailserver that runs on OSX Assuming you have [Homebrew](http://brew.sh) installed: `brew dovecot` There is some info somewhere in the help/blogs/elsewhere about setting up Dovecot to use as a local IMAP server. Works great! Charlie -- Charlie Garrison Garrison Computer Services <http://www.garrison.com.au> PO Box 380 Tumbarumba NSW 2653 Australia [Conundrum](http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
