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Re: [MlMt] tags and email client

2024-06-08 Thread aisrael

Dear Bill, thanks for the input. Your maximum of 26 might be the
explanation. In fact, beside my 26 Mailmate tags, I see in Preside a
bunch of additional tags/keywords that start with $ ($Junk,
$MDNSent,…), which I guess are “universal” keywords. The question
is : how are these 26 selected (not the most recent, not the oldest, not
the first or last by alphabetical order), and am I allowed to decide
which 26 are accessible (I guess not).
In addition, as my server uses Exchange, I am even more surprised that
it works, even if only partially.

Alain

On 8 Jun 2024, at 17:45, Bill Cole wrote:

On 2024-06-08 at 07:14:09 UTC-0400 (Sat, 8 Jun 2024 13:14:09 +0200)
aisrael
is rumored to have said:

Following these email exchanges with Scott and Benny, I finally went
to the advanced Search settings of Preside, and much to my surprise,
I was able to access 25 of my Mailmate tags (why 25 among the ~100 I
use, this is beyond my limited understanding). This is supposed to be
impossible, but it seems to work??

It is almost entirely a server-side issue, as Benny said. However, MM
has a slightly quirky feature of using its own private "tag" names
that it maps to arbitrary IMAP keywords as defined in the Tags prefs
pane so other MUAs do not actually see the MM tag, they see the IMAP
keyword. Any MUA should be able to see any keyword set by MM, IF the
server supports user-defined keywords.

Beyond that, you may be running into a server-side limitation. I do
not know if it remains true, but historically Dovecot (the most common
open source IMAP server) supported a maximum of 26 user-defined
keywords across any one mail folder when using Maildir storage (the
most common choice.) The technical basis of that limit (using a-z as
indices in filenames) remains, but I don't know if they have worked
around it in the past decade. Other IMAP servers using Maildir storage
may have similar trouble. If your 25 is actually 26, I would guess
that this is the root of your trouble.

GMail has much stranger issues, as they conflate folders and keywords.
MS365 and Exchange avoid the problem by not supporting user-defined
keywords. I would guess that there are specific quirks in iCloud and
Yahoo mail as well, but I'm not familiar with them.

Alain

Dear Scott and Benny, thank you for the answers that confirm my
worries. I do use Mailmate tags extensively, I currently use about a
hundred of them, including 4-5 of the classical custom IMAP keywords.
The only other mail client I use is Preside on my iPhone, which is
very good but, as you explain for the other clients, cannot
“read” the tags. I also checked Thunderbird recently, but it
still does not work.

Too bad for me.

Alain

On 8 Jun 2024, at 9:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 7 Jun 2024, at 18:06, aisrael wrote:

My understanding, as a non expert in mail clients’ subtleties, is
that it is impossible to transfer tags (or smart mailboxes based on
tags) from Mailmate to another client (except for a few IMAP
keywords). Is it absolutely impossible, or is there a workaround?

Scott already gave a thorough answer. I'll just add some random
thoughts:

* Not all servers support IMAP keywords, in particular,
Office365/Exchange. In those cases, MailMate will quietly (which is
kind of bad) make them local-only.
* Some server have a limit on the number of IMAP keywords which
results in various silent errors (like tags getting cleared shortly
after being set).
* Thunderbird has, I think, 5 custom IMAP keywords. Tags can be
created in MailMate which map to those keywords and then they should
work nicely together.
* Colored flags in Apple Mail also uses IMAP keywords. MailMate
mirrors this behavior.

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Re: [MlMt] tags and email client

2024-06-08 Thread aisrael

Following these email exchanges with Scott and Benny, I finally went to
the advanced Search settings of Preside, and much to my surprise, I was
able to access 25 of my Mailmate tags (why 25 among the ~100 I use, this
is beyond my limited understanding). This is supposed to be impossible,
but it seems to work??

Alain

Dear Scott and Benny, thank you for the answers that confirm my worries.
I do use Mailmate tags extensively, I currently use about a hundred of
them, including 4-5 of the classical custom IMAP keywords. The only
other mail client I use is Preside on my iPhone, which is very good but,
as you explain for the other clients, cannot “read” the tags. I
also checked Thunderbird recently, but it still does not work.

Too bad for me.

Alain

On 8 Jun 2024, at 9:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 7 Jun 2024, at 18:06, aisrael wrote:

Scott already gave a thorough answer. I'll just add some random
thoughts:

Re: [MlMt] tags and email client

2024-06-08 Thread aisrael

Dear Scott and Benny, thank you for the answers that confirm my worries.
I do use Mailmate tags extensively, I currently use about a hundred of
them, including 4-5 of the classical custom IMAP keywords. The only
other mail client I use is Preside on my iPhone, which is very good but,
as you explain for the other clients, cannot “read” the tags. I
also checked Thunderbird recently, but it still does not work.

Too bad for me.

Alain

On 8 Jun 2024, at 9:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 7 Jun 2024, at 18:06, aisrael wrote:

Scott already gave a thorough answer. I'll just add some random
thoughts:

[MlMt] tags and email client

2024-06-07 Thread aisrael

My understanding, as a non expert in mail clients’ subtleties, is that 
it is impossible to transfer tags (or smart mailboxes based on tags) 
from Mailmate to another client (except for a few IMAP keywords). Is it 
absolutely impossible, or is there a workaround?


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Re: [MlMt] mail redirection

2024-05-29 Thread aisrael

Thanks Bill and Michael, indeed the problem was on the server side, and
contacting IT, I was able to fix it.

Alain

On 28 May 2024, at 18:45, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Here’s a refined version of your text in better US English:

---

- Looking at the error message and all the headers might reveal the
source of the redirection.

While the message is open, do the following:

1. Go to View -> Show Raw Message

- Also, check your "Sent" folder for the redirected messages and
examine the headers in RAW view.

- Verify when the messages are being sent, both when the MailMate app
is running and when it is not.

However, I suspect that there is a redirection rule set on the server
side.

On 28 May 2024, at 9:44, aisrael wrote:

Several years ago I set up a mechanism to forward my emails (at least
those in one of my 2 accounts) to my Gmail account, that I could use
as a sort of backup.

More recently, for reasons which are too long to explain, I had to
delete my Gmail account. The problem is that I can’t remember
whether setting up this redirection involved Gmail or Mailmate, and
despite the fact that the Gmail account no longer exists, the
redirection seems to still be active, and I receive an error message
(The email account that you tried to reach does not exist) for each
mail which arrives in my Inbox. Does anyone know whether this type of
redirection involves a setting in Gmail or Mailmate? If it is in
Gmail, and that it keeps working after the Gmail account has been
deleted, I am definitely in trouble. If it is in Mailamte, there may
be a way to solve the problem, and I was hoping you might be able to
help.

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Re: [MlMt] mail redirection

2024-05-28 Thread aisrael

Thanks, in this case I did not set up a rule for the Inbox (except now 
for getting rid of all the error messages I currently receive by my 
fault), so I’ll try to contact the IT persons at my institution.


Gmail can be instructed to import emails from a different source (using 
the Accounts and import tab in the Settings), but I checked before 
deleting the Gmail account, and there did not seem to be anything set up 
there. Is it at all possible that a rule set up in Gmail can still be 
active once the Gmail account has been deleted?


Alain

On 28 May 2024, at 16:35, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2024-05-28 at 08:52:22 UTC-0400 (Tue, 28 May 2024 08:52:22 -0400)
Verdon Vaillancourt 
is rumored to have said:

It’s possibly MailMate, but more likely the server wherever the 
original email accounts are.


+1

Usually this sort of redirection is done at the server.

HOWEVER, it is possible to do this in a MailMate rule attached to the 
INBOX.



On May 28, 2024, at 3:45 AM, aisrael  
wrote:



Several years ago I set up a mechanism to forward my emails (at 
least those in one of my 2 accounts) to my Gmail account, that I 
could use as a sort of backup.


More recently, for reasons which are too long to explain, I had to 
delete my Gmail account. The problem is that I can’t remember 
whether setting up this redirection involved Gmail or Mailmate, and 
despite the fact that the Gmail account no longer exists, the 
redirection seems to still be active, and I receive an error message 
(The email account that you tried to reach does not exist) for each 
mail which arrives in my Inbox. Does anyone know whether this type 
of redirection involves a setting in Gmail or Mailmate? If it is in 
Gmail, and that it keeps working after the Gmail account has been 
deleted, I am definitely in trouble. If it is in Mailamte, there may 
be a way to solve the problem, and I was hoping you might be able to 
help.


Alain

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[MlMt] mail redirection

2024-05-28 Thread aisrael

Several years ago I set up a mechanism to forward my emails (at least 
those in one of my 2 accounts) to my Gmail account, that I could use as 
a sort of backup.


More recently, for reasons which are too long to explain, I had to 
delete my Gmail account. The problem is that I can’t remember whether 
setting up this redirection involved Gmail or Mailmate, and despite the 
fact that the Gmail account no longer exists, the redirection seems to 
still be active, and I receive an error message (The email account that 
you tried to reach does not exist) for each mail which arrives in my 
Inbox. Does anyone know whether this type of redirection involves a 
setting in Gmail or Mailmate? If it is in Gmail, and that it keeps 
working after the Gmail account has been deleted, I am definitely in 
trouble. If it is in Mailamte, there may be a way to solve the problem, 
and I was hoping you might be able to help.


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Re: [MlMt] messages expecting reply

2024-05-03 Thread aisrael

I finally found this old post (2014) which seems (I have not tried it
yet) to allow to identify (tagged) emails once they have received an
answer (https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2014-September/003121.html),
but it does not address the possibility to remove the "awaiting-reply"
tag. One step at a time.

Alain

On 2 May 2024, at 18:34, Randall Gellens wrote:

On 30 Apr 2024, at 4:42, aisrael wrote:

I would like to include in a mailbox the messages which are waiting
for an answer (this is easy : I just tag them, and create a smart
mailbox that contains these tagged emails (but there may be other
ways), but more complicated : I would like to remove them from this
smart mailbox (for example by untagging them) when they receive an
answer. I am pretty sure this problem has been treated in the past in
this forum, but I can’t seem to find the right conversation.

What you want is a rule that:

1. Detects that an incoming message is a part of a thread.
2. That the previous message (or perhaps a previous message) in the
thread is tagged with "awaiting-reply" (or whatever).

3. Removed the tag from the tagged message.

Or, alternately, a rule on the virtual mailbox that contains the
tagged messages that removes the tag when a reply is received:

1. Message contains the tag.
2. Thread of the message has a later message.
3. Action: remove the tag.

I don't know you would do this. My experience with rules is that they
act on a message based on criteria of the message (as opposed to
checking a different message).

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[MlMt] messages expecting reply

2024-04-30 Thread aisrael

I would like to include in a mailbox the messages which are waiting for 
an answer (this is easy : I just tag them, and create a smart mailbox 
that contains these tagged emails (but there may be other ways), but 
more complicated : I would like to remove them from this smart mailbox 
(for example by untagging them) when they receive an answer. I am pretty 
sure this problem has been treated in the past in this forum, but I 
can’t seem to find the right conversation.


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Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-02-01 Thread aisrael

I use coloring in a slightly different manner :

I show in attachment the Inbox, which I want to organise by topics. For
each topic I attach a tag, then create a smart mailbox for each
tag/topic, and apply color rules for each smart mailbox. Then I want to
keep the mails corresponding to each topic grouped together : as it is
impossible to sort by colours (at least I think), I attach a flag to
each category (trying as much as possible to fit the flag color with the
selected colouring, but this is not an obligation), and sort by flags.
This results in the attached screen copy. Only small limitation : there
are only 7 flags, so this limits to 7 topics.

Alain

PS : this looks a bit like a Thunderbird mailbox.

On 30 Jan 2024, at 20:51, Henry Seiden wrote:

Sven,

Coloring of messages in the message window works great for me in every
version since r6015 onwards. I believe recent changes have affected
coloring, but here’s how I color messages by the mailbox and/or
source. If you want to individually color messages or color by Subject
or other parameters then I’m unsure if this method will work for you
or if it’s what you seek:

1. Select Source mailbox or inbox you wish to color,
2. Adjust the coloring on the Source or Inbox by selecting the desired
*color* from the drop down menu (CTL+select) pop-out menu.
3. Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the
bottom of the colors in that
menu.![](cid:863DFE2B-3DE4-443E-8298-BCC70538BBD4@pasteur.fr
"inbox.png")

4. Rinse and repeat above for all Source or other SmartMailboxes
desired.

5. Check to see that contents are correctly colored.

Attaching a sample of the colored messages for reference as they
appear in All Messages. Note that all lines in each message are
colored as viewed in the message window(s).

Good luck.

Respectfully,

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On 30 Jan 2024, at 13:34, Alan Dobkin wrote:

Hi Sven,

Support for this feature changed several months ago in the test
releases. There was some discussion about it on the mailing list
here. Refer to the resolution in my bug report here:

Colored Messages not working in recent test builds
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On 1/30/2024 1:23 PM, Sven Klages wrote:

I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing).

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Re: [MlMt] very slow autofill of addresses

2024-01-28 Thread aisrael


Thanks Bill, I will modify the mailboxes that MM will look at.
A

On 28 Jan 2024, at 16:43, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2024-01-28 at 05:50:40 UTC-0500 (Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:50:40 +0100)
aisrael 
is rumored to have said:

Bill, just one question : when you write *at headers in a mailbox of 
your selection (by default: ‘Recipient" headers of the Sent 
aggregate mailbox.*), does it mean the messages that actually sit in 
the Sent mailbox, or all messages which have actually been sent?


It looks at the headers of exactly one mailbox.

The reason I am asking is that my sent messages don’t stay in the 
Sent mailbox


Then, assuming that you haven't switched MM to look elsewhere, MM 
won't see them.



(which is almost empty), as I distribute them in the relevant 
mailboxes  (and I don’t .cc myself when I send a message, as it 
unnecessarily duplicates emails).


Alain

On 27 Jan 2024, at 19:14, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2024-01-27 at 12:59:19 UTC-0500 (Sat, 27 Jan 2024 09:59:19 -0800)
Jo 
is rumored to have said:

I don't know if this is a mailmate problem or a general mac 
problem, but lately when I start typing an address/contact name in 
the 'to' field, the lag time is ridiculous before it fills out the 
whole address. I don't remember it being like this previously, and 
I haven't added a bunch of emails to my contacts or anything. Is 
there a cache to clear somewhere/somehow or something??


MM looks (optionally) at your macOS contacts and at headers in a 
mailbox of your selection (by default: "Recipient" headers of the 
Sent aggregate mailbox.) It could be very slow if you have a very 
large address book OR if you have MM configured to use a very large 
reference mailbox. A tactic I use to control the huge number of 
items MM needs to pick from is that I created a smart mailbox that 
is just Sent items less than 2 years old, and I set MM (in 
Preferences->Composer) to reference that mailbox instead of my 
30-year Sent mailbox.


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Re: [MlMt] very slow autofill of addresses

2024-01-28 Thread aisrael

Bill, just one question : when you write *at headers in a mailbox of 
your selection (by default: ‘Recipient" headers of the Sent aggregate 
mailbox.*), does it mean the messages that actually sit in the Sent 
mailbox, or all messages which have actually been sent? The reason I am 
asking is that my sent messages don’t stay in the Sent mailbox (which 
is almost empty), as I distribute them in the relevant mailboxes  (and I 
don’t .cc myself when I send a message, as it unnecessarily duplicates 
emails).


Alain

On 27 Jan 2024, at 19:14, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2024-01-27 at 12:59:19 UTC-0500 (Sat, 27 Jan 2024 09:59:19 -0800)
Jo 
is rumored to have said:

I don't know if this is a mailmate problem or a general mac problem, 
but lately when I start typing an address/contact name in the 'to' 
field, the lag time is ridiculous before it fills out the whole 
address. I don't remember it being like this previously, and I 
haven't added a bunch of emails to my contacts or anything. Is there 
a cache to clear somewhere/somehow or something??


MM looks (optionally) at your macOS contacts and at headers in a 
mailbox of your selection (by default: "Recipient" headers of the Sent 
aggregate mailbox.) It could be very slow if you have a very large 
address book OR if you have MM configured to use a very large 
reference mailbox. A tactic I use to control the huge number of items 
MM needs to pick from is that I created a smart mailbox that is just 
Sent items less than 2 years old, and I set MM (in 
Preferences->Composer) to reference that mailbox instead of my 30-year 
Sent mailbox.


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Re: [MlMt] "Sharing" extension

2024-01-14 Thread aisrael

I can’t see Mailmate in the Preview’s Share menu, but when I right 
click on the file icon, under Services I have : *new email with 
attachment*, and as Mailmate is my default app, et voila…..


Alain

On 13 Jan 2024, at 23:48, Steve Burling wrote:


On 13 Jan 2024, at 14:41, Henry Seiden wrote:

Did you check to see if Mail is set up to share via the selection in 
Preview. Have you tried emailing the Preview doc as an attachment in 
MailMate?


On my Sonoma even Mail.app is not an option to share directly in 
Preview’s menu. So I doubt you can expect it to work, even by 
setting MailMate as the default email application.


On my M1 MBPro running Sonoma 14.2.1, MailMate is an option in 
Preview's Share menu, and selecting it properly creates a new message 
with the document attached, and uses the document name as the Subject.


MailMate: Version 1.14 (6017)

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[MlMt] .bcc

2023-07-10 Thread aisrael

I use the hidden preference : *defaults write com.freron.MailMate 
MmDefaultBccHeader -string m...@example.com*, to *.bcc*  my emails to my 
Gmail account (the reverse of what people usually do with Gmail), which 
I use as a repository. My problem is the following : I have 2 email 
accounts (personal and professional). I want to cancel this *.bcc* for 
one of them only, but apparently when I do that (using *defaults delete 
com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader*), it cancels both (which somehow 
makes sense). Do you know whether it is possible to keep the .bcc for 
one account only?


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Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails

2023-06-22 Thread aisrael

Thanks Marc. I will try that. But I am pretty sure most of the retrieved 
emails are not duplicates.


Alain

On 22 Jun 2023, at 14:47, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Alain

Depending of the mailbox I have, more or less duplicates

What you could do to verify:
- select duplicates
- move the selected mails to a separate mailbox “duplicates”

- then make a smart mailbox which looks for the “identical” mail 
remaining in the source mail box and compare


The condition of the smart mailbox would look like:
• Any of the following mailboxes “Original_box”
• Message_ID is in “duplicates” Message_ID

Not 100% sure if Message_ID is the best key but at least you could 
give it a try and see what pops up.


Keep in mind to only use 1 mail box because when you would like to 
move the mails back you could be in trouble ( been there done that :-) 
)


L’amusement,


Marc


On 22 Jun 2023, at 9:06, aisrael wrote:

Marc, I have upgraded to r5965 (on one of my computers). Indeed the 
Select duplicates is no longer greyed, but it seems to select a 
(huge) number of emails, most of them are not duplicates. I am not 
sure why it does that.


Alain

On 19 Jun 2023, at 21:51, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Alain,

YES you can !

Marc

On 19 Jun 2023, at 15:24, aisrael wrote:

Does this mean you can select a mailbox (or even All Messages) and 
identify duplicates?


Alain

On 19 Jun 2023, at 15:10, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hello all,

Just tested r5965

Can be found down on the page 
[https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/*(https:/*updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/)__;XS8!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!vU4J0w_2-UIwL5UUq15OsQ5g4uZEudvzb7Pa7pMfo0xeHXCZiX0g2JIgPW1K1ujQQiWUVyqtJkLhzFr_FJxw6w$
With this version I feel that “Select duplicates” is behaving 
correctly.


Regards,


Marc



On 18 Jun 2023, at 12:35, aisrael wrote:


For me it is always greyed, irrespective….(Big Sur, v5937).

Alain

On 17 Jun 2023, at 20:40, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hi all,

Now it is ALWAYS active when I have a source/mailbox selected, 
no clue why it didn’t highlite earlier on.


I’ll keep an eye on it

Marc


On 17 Jun 2023, at 19:07, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


John,

Thanks for the feedback, no luck here so far. Which version are 
you on ? I’m on 5964


Marc

On 17 Jun 2023, at 18:22, John Doherty wrote:


[re: Edit->Select Duplicates]

Make sure that either a source or a mailbox containing 
messages is selected in the left-hand panel. It seems to be 
enabled for me as long as I do that, disabled otherwise.


On Sat 2023-06-17 10:10 AM MDT -0600, 
 wrote:


Thanks for the hint! Never noticed it, but here also greyed 
out . .

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Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails

2023-06-22 Thread aisrael

Marc, I have upgraded to r5965 (on one of my computers). Indeed the 
Select duplicates is no longer greyed, but it seems to select a (huge) 
number of emails, most of them are not duplicates. I am not sure why it 
does that.


Alain

On 19 Jun 2023, at 21:51, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Alain,

YES you can !

Marc

On 19 Jun 2023, at 15:24, aisrael wrote:

Does this mean you can select a mailbox (or even All Messages) and 
identify duplicates?


Alain

On 19 Jun 2023, at 15:10, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hello all,

Just tested r5965

Can be found down on the page 
[https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/*(https:/*updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/)__;XS8!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!vU4J0w_2-UIwL5UUq15OsQ5g4uZEudvzb7Pa7pMfo0xeHXCZiX0g2JIgPW1K1ujQQiWUVyqtJkLhzFr_FJxw6w$
With this version I feel that “Select duplicates” is behaving 
correctly.


Regards,


Marc



On 18 Jun 2023, at 12:35, aisrael wrote:


For me it is always greyed, irrespective….(Big Sur, v5937).

Alain

On 17 Jun 2023, at 20:40, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hi all,

Now it is ALWAYS active when I have a source/mailbox selected, no 
clue why it didn’t highlite earlier on.


I’ll keep an eye on it

Marc


On 17 Jun 2023, at 19:07, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


John,

Thanks for the feedback, no luck here so far. Which version are 
you on ? I’m on 5964


Marc

On 17 Jun 2023, at 18:22, John Doherty wrote:


[re: Edit->Select Duplicates]

Make sure that either a source or a mailbox containing messages 
is selected in the left-hand panel. It seems to be enabled for 
me as long as I do that, disabled otherwise.


On Sat 2023-06-17 10:10 AM MDT -0600, 
 wrote:


Thanks for the hint! Never noticed it, but here also greyed out 
. .

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Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails

2023-06-19 Thread aisrael

Does this mean you can select a mailbox (or even All Messages) and 
identify duplicates?


Alain

On 19 Jun 2023, at 15:10, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hello all,

Just tested r5965

Can be found down on the page 
[https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/*(https:/*updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/)__;XS8!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!vU4J0w_2-UIwL5UUq15OsQ5g4uZEudvzb7Pa7pMfo0xeHXCZiX0g2JIgPW1K1ujQQiWUVyqtJkLhzFr_FJxw6w$
With this version I feel that “Select duplicates” is behaving 
correctly.


Regards,


Marc



On 18 Jun 2023, at 12:35, aisrael wrote:


For me it is always greyed, irrespective….(Big Sur, v5937).

Alain

On 17 Jun 2023, at 20:40, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hi all,

Now it is ALWAYS active when I have a source/mailbox selected, no 
clue why it didn’t highlite earlier on.


I’ll keep an eye on it

Marc


On 17 Jun 2023, at 19:07, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


John,

Thanks for the feedback, no luck here so far. Which version are you 
on ? I’m on 5964


Marc

On 17 Jun 2023, at 18:22, John Doherty wrote:


[re: Edit->Select Duplicates]

Make sure that either a source or a mailbox containing messages is 
selected in the left-hand panel. It seems to be enabled for me as 
long as I do that, disabled otherwise.


On Sat 2023-06-17 10:10 AM MDT -0600,  
wrote:


Thanks for the hint! Never noticed it, but here also greyed out . 
.

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Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails [and threaded mail]

2023-06-19 Thread aisrael

Thanks Henry. I use v5937 (and MacOS 11.7), I will try to upgrade. But
what I wanted was to be able to screen an entire mailbox for duplicates,
not just one message. Does it work that way in your hands?

Best,

Alain

On 19 Jun 2023, at 12:30, Henry Seiden wrote:

Alain,

I should have said using v1.14 Test Build 5964 on MacBook Pro 2021 M1
Pro in MacOS 13.4(22F66). Hope that helps.

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 19 Jun 2023, at 3:10, aisrael wrote:

Does not work for me. Whatever I select, it remains greyed.
Alain

On 18 Jun 2023, at 15:00, Henry Seiden wrote:

Here’s what finds stuff for me:
1. From the Message list…
2. Select an email you want want to find duplicate of. That seems to
be what opens up the “Select” section in the Edit menu.
3. Edit Menu in MM shows the option, “Select Duplicates”. Other
possible selections are “Select Threads” (in the case of a
threaded message), “Select All”.

4. Duplicate messages are shown.

What messages are found as duplicates in a case where no actual 100%
duplicates exist? The answer is sadly, other than expected. The
search produces odd results. I see that it pulls from all messages,
but finds completely unrelated ones as fitting the criteria.
Reporting as a bug to Benny’s bug list as previously requested.

The selection of “Select Thread” OTOH, for this message seems to
produce acceptable results for me, selecting (highlighting and
opening all) items in threaded email in this list. Going by mainly
the evidence in this mailing list as to accuracy of the thread(s)
revealed.

Respectfully,

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On 17 Jun 2023, at 10:46, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:

Hello,

Anybody an idea on how I can find duplicate mails in MailMate ?

Thanks in advance

Marc
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Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails [and threaded mail]

2023-06-19 Thread aisrael

Does not work for me. Whatever I select, it remains greyed.
Alain

On 18 Jun 2023, at 15:00, Henry Seiden wrote:

4. Duplicate messages are shown.

What messages are found as duplicates in a case where no actual 100%
duplicates exist? The answer is sadly, other than expected. The search
produces odd results. I see that it pulls from all messages, but finds
completely unrelated ones as fitting the criteria. Reporting as a bug
to Benny’s bug list as previously requested.

The selection of “Select Thread” OTOH, for this message seems to
produce acceptable results for me, selecting (highlighting and opening
all) items in threaded email in this list. Going by mainly the
evidence in this mailing list as to accuracy of the thread(s)
revealed.

Respectfully,

On 17 Jun 2023, at 10:46, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:

Hello,

Anybody an idea on how I can find duplicate mails in MailMate ?

Thanks in advance

Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails

2023-06-18 Thread aisrael


For me it is always greyed, irrespective….(Big Sur, v5937).

Alain

On 17 Jun 2023, at 20:40, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hi all,

Now it is ALWAYS active when I have a source/mailbox selected, no clue 
why it didn’t highlite earlier on.


I’ll keep an eye on it

Marc


On 17 Jun 2023, at 19:07, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


John,

Thanks for the feedback, no luck here so far. Which version are you 
on ? I’m on 5964


Marc

On 17 Jun 2023, at 18:22, John Doherty wrote:


[re: Edit->Select Duplicates]

Make sure that either a source or a mailbox containing messages is 
selected in the left-hand panel. It seems to be enabled for me as 
long as I do that, disabled otherwise.


On Sat 2023-06-17 10:10 AM MDT -0600,  
wrote:



Thanks for the hint! Never noticed it, but here also greyed out . .

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Re: [MlMt] Find duplicate mails

2023-06-17 Thread aisrael

Under the Edit menu there is a Select Duplicates function, which 
unfortunately in my case is greyed. Maybe it can be of some use?


Alain



On 17 Jun 2023, at 16:46, Marc ARC via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

Anybody an idea on how I can find duplicate mails in MailMate ?

Thanks in advance


Marc
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Re: [MlMt] Improving search performance?

2023-06-16 Thread aisrael

FWIW, I searched a word in 100 000 messages and it took 2 seconds. I use 
release 5937.


Alain

On 16 Jun 2023, at 12:26, Robert M. Münch wrote:

I have the feeling the search is taking considerable longer than in 
the past.


IMO MM flexible, easy to use search is a key USP.

@Benny: Would be nice to speed things up (again). Not sure how MM does 
searching, but using SQLite for full-text indexing, or special 
indexing should help a lot.


--

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[MlMt] message window

2023-05-16 Thread aisrael

Since a few weeks, for no obvious reason (as far as I can tell), when I 
open a message, instead of opening a large window roughly in the middle 
of the screen, it opens a small window at the bottom left of the screen. 
I have been unable to revert to the normal (at least I think) behavior. 
I am almost sure the answer is straightforward, but I could not find it 
in the Mailmate nor the Mac Preferences.


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Re: [MlMt] Search for all emails from and to a recipient

2023-04-11 Thread aisrael

Shame on me, that was too simple, thanks. However when there are several 
senders or recipients, I can’t seem to be able to point to one of 
them, the search seems to include all the names. Is this correct?


Alain

On 11 Apr 2023, at 16:12, Shoshanna Green wrote:


Do the search in your All Mail mailbox?

On 11 Apr 2023, at 9:32, aisrael wrote:

Thanks for the tips. This seems to work only for the current mailbox. 
Is it possible to search all mailboxes at the same time (as messages 
from or to a given correspondent are spread all over my mailboxes, 
depending on the topic).


Alain

On 11 Apr 2023, at 14:45, Shoshanna Green wrote:


On 10 Apr 2023, at 22:43, leo wrote:

Sometimes though I would like to search for all emails _**to and 
from**_ this recipient.


What you're looking for is a search for all email with that 
recipient as "correspondent," which basically means their email 
address (or name, or both) appears in any from: to: or cc: header. 
To do this, I right-click on the "correspondent" column in the 
viewer window (the list of all email in the current mailbox), 
highlight "Find Messages," and click the "correspondent" option; but 
I'm sure there are other ways to do it as well.


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Re: [MlMt] Search for all emails from and to a recipient

2023-04-11 Thread aisrael

Thanks for the tips. This seems to work only for the current mailbox. Is 
it possible to search all mailboxes at the same time (as messages from 
or to a given correspondent are spread all over my mailboxes, depending 
on the topic).


Alain

On 11 Apr 2023, at 14:45, Shoshanna Green wrote:


On 10 Apr 2023, at 22:43, leo wrote:

Sometimes though I would like to search for all emails _**to and 
from**_ this recipient.


What you're looking for is a search for all email with that recipient 
as "correspondent," which basically means their email address (or 
name, or both) appears in any from: to: or cc: header. To do this, I 
right-click on the "correspondent" column in the viewer window (the 
list of all email in the current mailbox), highlight "Find Messages," 
and click the "correspondent" option; but I'm sure there are other 
ways to do it as well.


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Re: [MlMt] mbox

2023-04-06 Thread aisrael




On 6 Apr 2023, at 18:40, John Doherty wrote:

[Somehow this messages was sent only to the previous correspondent and 
not also to the list. Apologies.]


On Thu 2023-04-06 09:58 AM MDT -0600,  wrote:

Then, when I import the mbox file, I can choose whatever location I 
want, and everything works as expected. In this case, I chose to 
import them to the inbox of an account other than the one they came 
from originally.


That my main problem : I cannot choose the destination (beside the 
fact that the messages that appeared are from a different mbox, but 
this is too weird to be true….). Have you tried to import your mbox 
into something different from an Inbox, like a specific mailbox?


I am using an older version of MailMate: 1.13.2 (5673), so everything 
I'm doing and saying depends on that. I have not looked at any newer 
versions yet.


I have an "Options" button in the lower left of the dialog box that 
comes up when I choose "Import Messages..." from the File menu. This 
lets me choose a destination for the imported messages. I've only 
tried a couple but expect that anything would work.


I am using version 5937, but I don’t think it is different. I have the 
same Options button, but it only suggests one destination. HOWEVER it 
also proposes a choice of Sources, and this is where the destination 
folder can be selected. What confused me is to call Source a destination 
folder. Now it works.


I don’t see a “Select export folder” : I use the Copy to mbox 
command under Bundles-Export, to export.


H... on the Command->Export menu item, I have a submenu with three 
items: Copy to Folder, Copy to mbox, and Select Export Folder. The 
last one lets me select a location where the results of "Copy to mbox" 
will end up.


In fact I previously exported dozens of mailboxes (that end up in a 
folder on my desktop), which I then saved locally into Thunderbird 
(for archiving purposes, as discussed previously), but then I wanted 
to reimport one that I still needed, and this is where the problems 
began.

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Re: [MlMt] mbox

2023-04-06 Thread aisrael

I first tried to repeat your operation :  I exported your email as an 
mbox, reimported it, and it worked OK. Then I  tried using a previously 
exported mbox (containing 36 messages) using the Import messages submenu 
under File, and the result was quite unexpected : first it only proposed 
me to import the mbox file into the Inbox of one of my email account 
(which is not the place I wanted to import it), I pressed yes (which was 
a bad idea) and that Inbox became populated by messages from a mbox 
different from the one I wanted to import.


So there is something wrong, that I need to clarify.

Alain

On 6 Apr 2023, at 15:34, John Doherty wrote:

Empirically, yes. I just exported your message to an mbox file, 
deleted it, imported the mbox file, and now I'm replying to the 
imported copy.


On Thu 2023-04-06 07:10 AM MDT -0600,  wrote:

The answer is probably in the user manual, but I could not find it : 
is it possible to import mbox files into Mailmate?

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[MlMt] mbox

2023-04-06 Thread aisrael

The answer is probably in the user manual, but I could not find it : is 
it possible to import mbox files into Mailmate?


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[MlMt] problems

2023-03-23 Thread aisrael

I recently encountered 2 problems (one of them being in fact pretty 
old). I started deleting mailboxes from the server, and for one of the 
mailboxes I received the following warning (attached). I clicked on 
Retry, or Take mailbox offline, but to no avail. I forced Mailmate to 
quit, but when I reopened  it, the warning reappeared. Is there a way to 
solve this problem?


The second problem is specific for the Exchange server : from time to 
time, trying to delete emails, I receive an email from the Server that 
says : *retrieval using the IMAP4 protocol failed for message XXX*. I 
now have ~1000 of these emails, that cannot be deleted, nor moved to any 
other mailbox (like Junk). Is this a known issue, and how can it be 
solved?


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Re: [MlMt] mail archiving

2023-03-21 Thread aisrael

Thank you for all your suggestions. Indeed Eaglefiler seems to be a 
worthwhile solution (there is a Mailmate bundle called Eaglefiler, that 
facilitates export/import, although the new “Copy to mbox”  bundle 
is probably the most convenient (I prefer to export as mbox rather than 
.eml because I have hundreds of “real” mailboxes)). I will also test 
Devonthink, although I am not sure it can import a hierarchy of 
mailboxes.


In the meantime, following another suggestion, I re-downloaded 
Thunderbird (that would have been my favorite mail client if Mailmate 
did not exist) : Thunderbird has the advantage to allow local storage, 
and using the Add-On called “ImportExportTools NG”, I could import 
the mbox files generated by Mailmate, while keeping all the advantages 
of an email client. This is similar to what Eaglefiler can do (at least 
regarding emails), and is cheaper.


Alain

PS : the advantage of Horcrux or Mailsteward (that I have tested) is the 
possibility to program the automatic import of specific mailboxes at 
given intervals, but I found the ergonomy of these 2 programs rather 
diappointing.




On 20 Mar 2023, at 22:20, Andrew Luk via mailmate wrote:

Another option for you, if you are using DEVONthink, you can add your 
email to that under Command > Devonthin > add


I am sure that there would be some sort of keyboard shortcuts or can 
be added via Keyboard Maestro, etc


On 20 Mar 2023, at 22:47, aisrael wrote:

My institution politely asked me to reduce by half the amount of 
space my emails occupy on their server (currently 36 Go : given my 
position in this institution, I had to keep ~20 years of emails; I am 
now semi-retired and should be able to “delete” some of them). 
Therefore I decided to archive old emails. I found a lot of relevant 
suggestions in this forum, and decided to test Eaglefiler, Horcrux 
and Mailsteward, but I was not thrilled by any of them, for different 
reasons. Then I thought the simplest solution was to export 
individual mailboxes under the mbox format. This works well (I am 
using Mailmate 5937). Then I am left with  : how to easily read, 
search, …. these mbox files? Eaglefiler does it (Horcrux and 
Mailsteward don’t, they work by directly accessing the IMAP 
server), but is apparently unable to perform incremential backups.


Is there a simple way to do that?

I had a final question regarding the Archive mailbox in Mailmate : 
how does it work (I could not find the info in the Mailmate manual, 
which is unfortunately not searchable; nor did I understand how this 
mailbox became populated by a seemingly random set of emails), is it 
a local storage,  …? Can the exported mbox files, once deleted on 
the server, be re-imported in Mailmate and stored locally (while 
still searchable)?


I realize some of these questions only demonstrate my poor knowledge 
of how email clients actually work, therefore I would appreciate any 
help.


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[MlMt] mail archiving

2023-03-20 Thread aisrael

My institution politely asked me to reduce by half the amount of space 
my emails occupy on their server (currently 36 Go : given my position in 
this institution, I had to keep ~20 years of emails; I am now 
semi-retired and should be able to “delete” some of them). Therefore 
I decided to archive old emails. I found a lot of relevant suggestions 
in this forum, and decided to test Eaglefiler, Horcrux and Mailsteward, 
but I was not thrilled by any of them, for different reasons. Then I 
thought the simplest solution was to export individual mailboxes under 
the mbox format. This works well (I am using Mailmate 5937). Then I am 
left with  : how to easily read, search, …. these mbox files? 
Eaglefiler does it (Horcrux and Mailsteward don’t, they work by 
directly accessing the IMAP server), but is apparently unable to perform 
incremential backups.


Is there a simple way to do that?

I had a final question regarding the Archive mailbox in Mailmate : how 
does it work (I could not find the info in the Mailmate manual, which is 
unfortunately not searchable; nor did I understand how this mailbox 
became populated by a seemingly random set of emails), is it a local 
storage,  …? Can the exported mbox files, once deleted on the server, 
be re-imported in Mailmate and stored locally (while still searchable)?


I realize some of these questions only demonstrate my poor knowledge of 
how email clients actually work, therefore I would appreciate any help.


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Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-06 Thread aisrael

Thanks for this interesting discussion. While waiting for the Note
option, I started modifyng the subject of a bunch of emails, and I find
quite useful, especially in the situation described by Benny (and
others). I understand the caveats, but for me, so far, the advantages
prevail over the disadvantages.

Alain

On 6 Feb 2023, at 3:25, Randall Gellens wrote:

On 5 Feb 2023, at 14:01, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote:

On 6 Feb 2023, at 9:36, John Cooper wrote:

John Doherty via mailmate wrote (at 12:27 PM on Sunday, February 5,
2023):

On Sun 2023-02-05 12:42 PM MST -0700,
wrote:

I have one long-term and pretty regular correspondent who nearly
always uses terrible subjects (e.g., "question") and has other sort
of horrible email habits, like responding to existing threads with
new messages with new subjects.

Seems like for many people, applying a descriptive tag to the
discussion might be easier than force-applying a change of subject
line to an extended thread.

This seems to be a much better solution. It's much more flexible and
comprehensive than messing around with email subject lines.
Especially as it seems like your friend will figure out how to break
any scheme you invent to "organise" them. You can archive/copy email
to specific mailboxes too.

I can see the usefulness of being able to tag messages, but that
doesn't solve the problems for which being able to edit a received
message is a solution.

--Randall
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Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-05 Thread aisrael

I would have nothing against a Note feature, even if restricted to 
Mailmate, but I guess there are more important things to implement.

You mention side effects of the automation procedure :what are they?

Alain

On 5 Feb 2023, at 14:06, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:21, aisrael wrote:

Thanks Benny, it works now. It says it has to be used with care : 
does it mean that as long as the automation permission is granted, it 
may affect all the message subjects?


No, a subject is only changed when you explicitly change it. The 
window shown explains exactly what happens when you change the subject 
of a message. It's not efficient and has several side effects. (A more 
general “note”-feature would preferably keep such changes separate 
from the original message, but this would then only work with MailMate 
and not with other email clients.)


The automation permission given to MailMate is quite general -- and 
it's actually only given to allow MailMate to use AppleScript to show 
the window with the text field. Ideally, this would not require such a 
permission (it was implemented before Apple introduced this type of 
permission).


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Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-05 Thread aisrael

Thanks Benny, it works now. It says it has to be used with care : does 
it mean that as long as the automation permission is granted, it may 
affect all the message subjects?


Alain


On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 5 Feb 2023, at 11:57, aisrael wrote:


I have done this, but the subject line remains imperturbable.


System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Privacy->Full Disk Access


It's the “Automation” permission which is needed.

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Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-05 Thread aisrael


I have done this, but the subject line remains imperturbable.

Alain

On 5 Feb 2023, at 3:10, John Doherty via mailmate wrote:

On Sat 2023-02-04 06:27 PM MST -0700,  
wrote:


I tried to run the command: Before it is executes there was a 
dialog-box to ask for some permission (I don't remember exactly which 
one)


Good point: it's Full Disk Access

maybe you need to manually assign this permissions if you cancel this 
dialog before


System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Privacy->Full Disk Access

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Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-04 Thread aisrael

It does not seem to work under my conditions (no dialog box appears). So
maybe I have to upgrade to Monterey or Ventura to see this (or maybe to
Mailmate 5941). I was not planning to do this now (for unrelated
reasons), so maybe later…..

Alain

On 4 Feb 2023, at 18:34, John Cooper wrote:

aisrael wrote (at 9:23 AM on Saturday, February 4, 2023):

Thanks. I have tried this (with the message opened, or not), but
nothing happens (I use Mailmate 5898 with Big Sur). Is the Subject
expected to become editable?

Assuming that a message is selected, you should see a dialog box
appear that lets you edit the subject while warning of some of the
possibly unintended consequences. On my system, this works whether a
message is highlighted in the message list, or if a message is open in
its own window. I'm using 5941 on Ventura.

On 4 Feb 2023, at 17:58, John Cooper wrote:

aisrael wrote (at 8:52 AM on Saturday, February 4, 2023):

I vaguely remember these questions have been asked already, but I
can’t seem to find the answer in the exchanges I have kept : is
it possible to add a short note to a message (like a reminder), or
alternatively to modify the subject of this message?

Commands > MailMate > Change Subject (^S)

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Re: [MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-04 Thread aisrael

Thanks. I have tried this (with the message opened, or not), but nothing 
happens (I use Mailmate 5898 with Big Sur). Is the Subject expected to 
become editable?


Alain

On 4 Feb 2023, at 17:58, John Cooper wrote:


aisrael wrote (at 8:52 AM on Saturday, February 4, 2023):

I vaguely remember these questions have been asked already, but I 
can’t seem to find the answer in the exchanges I have kept : is it 
possible to add a short note to a message (like a reminder), or 
alternatively to modify the subject of this message?


Commands > MailMate > Change Subject (^S)
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[MlMt] note or subject modification

2023-02-04 Thread aisrael

I vaguely remember these questions have been asked already, but I 
can’t seem to find the answer in the exchanges I have kept : is it 
possible to add a short note to a message (like a reminder), or 
alternatively to modify the subject of this message?


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Re: [MlMt] Location of settings folder?

2023-01-24 Thread aisrael

Another similar app : HideSwitch :  
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36771/hideswitch


Alain

On 24 Jan 2023, at 4:26, Gavan Schneider wrote:


On 24 Jan 2023, at 12:23, John Cooper wrote:

Thank you John. I was aware of the hiding of Library but couldn’t 
recall how to get it. I thought it was a checkbox or such.


You're welcome! If it's helpful, there is a method out there for 
making the Library folder visible by default--mine always is. I can't 
remember how I set it, but it's probably worth a google.



And there is also —

Finder Revealer 1.0 



Which toggles the hide/reveal setting, and has worked unchanged over 
many years and OS version — AFAIK it is just s wrapper for the 
preference setting change mentioned by John down thread, but it sits 
in the dock and does not need  me to google on those very rare 
occasions when I want a change, ie., almost always in “reveal” 
these days.


Regards
Gavan
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Re: [MlMt] Pasting text results in image - how to fix?

2023-01-22 Thread aisrael

I just tried (Mailmate 5898, Big Sur) and it works OK, I just get the 
text. Not very helpful, I admit.


Alain



On 22 Jan 2023, at 0:42, Scott wrote:


Hello,

For a while now (over a year, possibly more), I've found that when I 
paste text into a compose window on MailMate, instead of just getting 
the text, it is turned into a Pasted Image (PNG, I think).


This is somewhat infuriating, as I end up taking the same text from 
the Clipboard, pasting it into Sublime Text, select-all, copy, and 
THEN pasting it into MailMate.


Is it just me?  Is there a workaround?

The source text is often from various web-apps I use for work, but, no 
other application besides MailMate seems to have an issue with it.


I can take the same Clipboard and paste into a Terminal session, vim, 
any text editor, DevonThink, doesn't matter...always works.


But MailMate will almost always turn pasted text into an image.

I'm guessing there's extraneous information in the copied data which 
is making MailMate assume I'm trying to paste binary content, perhaps.


Would be great if someone knows a way around this!

Regards,

Scott

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Re: [MlMt] Condition for Last-in-Thread

2022-12-06 Thread aisrael

Can you be a bit more specific? I had the same question and answered it 
by tagging each email to which I expect an answer, and use a smart 
mailbox that contains all the tagged emails (but you have to empty it 
from time to time). If there is a better or smarter solution, I’d be 
happy to know.


Alain

On 6 Dec 2022, at 17:45, Zvi Biener wrote:

Please ignore below. I figured it out using a helper mailbox and the 
in-reply-to field.


On 6 Dec 2022, at 11:07, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,

I’d like to create a smart mailbox that keeps track (more-or-less) 
of emails that I’m expecting a reply to, but have not received one.


To this end, I’d like to create a condition that picks out the last 
message of any threads in, say, 10 days. Does anyone know how to do 
this with mailbox conditions?


Thanks,
Zvi

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Re: [MlMt] Colors in mailbox menu

2022-10-31 Thread aisrael

Thank you Henry, the trick is indeed to select the color first. However,
the Color command in the Mailbox menu behaves differently from the Color
command you access by right-clicking on the mailbox icon. And more than
that, testing another mailbox gives me a Color list of commands which is
grayed or not, depending on whether I select one message or none. So I
need a few trial and error before I can have this function to work
correctly. But maybe there is something I am not doing correctly.

Alain

On 31 Oct 2022, at 12:24, Henry Seiden wrote:

Alain,

I was able to color email within a mailbox easily using only the menu
(without .plist changes). It was described in a previous email in this
thread, step-by-step. If you have questions after looking it over,
please advise.

Bottom line… You need to select the color first, before checking the
default within that menu (Right Click>Menu>Color>Use Color in Message
List). HIH

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 31 Oct 2022, at 7:08, aisrael wrote:

So I am still wondering what is the purpose of the Mailbox->Color
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Re: [MlMt] Colors in mailbox menu

2022-10-31 Thread aisrael

Irrespective of my efforts, I could not have the  "Use Color in Message 
list"  to be anything else than grayed. Using the Custom color I have 
been able to color the mailbox icon, but nothing else. So I turned to 
the "Styles.plist" approach, which works nicely.


So I am still wondering what is the purpose of the Mailbox->Color menu, 
unless of course I am doing something wrong, or misinterpreting its 
function.


Alain

On 30 Oct 2022, at 16:40, Eric Sharakan wrote:

I've been using this "Styles.plist" based method to have my emails 
colored (based on conditions I choose in specially crafted smart 
mailboxes) for years, and it works great.  I briefly played with the 
contextual menu based mailbox colors, but not the "Use Color in 
Message list" option, as I suspect that would interfere with my 
Styles.plist settings.


The procedure is described by Benny in this MM ticket: 
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 , starting with Benny's message dated February 2nd, 2017.


-Eric

On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:42, Edward Thome wrote:


On 30 Oct 2022, at 8:51, aisrael wrote:

Regarding “Use Colour in Message List”, I see a different 
behavior  (I use v5898) : when I right-click on a maibox name 
(whether real or smart), “Use Colour in Message List” is grayed. 
I remember once I was able to change the color (can’t remember 
how), but the only change was the color of the mailbox icon, all the 
messages remained black (or white, depending…).
I would love to be able to change the color of the mails in the 
Message list of any given mailbox. How can I do that?


“Use Colour in Message List” is grayed for me as well. I can 
still get some kind of colorization to work through using both the 
Hidden Preference command in Terminal:


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessageColorsEnabled -bool YES

and through a file named “Styles.plist” located in 
~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/


I don’t know if it is standard issue when MailMate starts up the 
first time, or if I was playing around with things that I saw in the 
*Hidden Preferences* portion of the MailMate Help. [When I ?need? to 
procrastinate, I am a tinkerer.]   What mine had in it is:

- - -
{   styles = (
{   type = keyword;
keyword = '\\Flagged';
color = "#00FF00";
fontStyle = "bold";
},
{   type = mailbox;
color = "#00";
uuid = 'INBOX';
fontStyle = "italic"; // boldAndItalic can also be used
},
{   /*disabled = ":true";*/
type = filter;
color = "#FF";
uuid = '0249F96D-9B86-452A-B34A-83D83B0125FE';
},
);
}
- - -
I just changed the first two blocks to:
- - -
{   type = keyword;
keyword = '\\Flagged';
color = “systemRedcolor”;
fontStyle = "bold";
},
{   type = mailbox;
color = "systemBlueColor";
uuid = 'INBOX';
fontStyle = "italic"; // boldAndItalic can also be used
},
- - -
and added
- - -
{   type = mailbox;
color = "systemGreenColor";
uuid = ‘ARCHIVE;
fontStyle = “regular”;
},
- - -
and the message listings in the Inbox are now all blue italic (upon 
restart of MailMate), and the message listing of all flagged messages 
(besides having the flag) are in bold red. The message listing of all 
archived messages are in green, regular font. At first I wondered why 
I would do that, but now I see why. If I look in a smart mailbox, I 
can see by a glance the color of the message listing that some are 
still in the Inbox and some are flagged and some have been archived.


I think that I will take the ‘italic’ off, because the mailbox 
now looks to alarming, which means that I’ll have to procrastinate, 
and start tinkering…and then maybe disable something about MailMate 
that I need. ;-)


All the best,
Ed



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Re: [MlMt] Colors in mailbox menu

2022-10-30 Thread aisrael

Regarding “Use Colour in Message List”, I see a different behavior  
(I use v5898) : when I right-click on a maibox name (whether real or 
smart), “Use Colour in Message List” is grayed. I remember once I 
was able to change the color (can’t remember how), but the only change 
was the color of the mailbox icon, all the messages remained black (or 
white, depending…).
I would love to be able to change the color of the mails in the Message 
list of any given mailbox. How can I do that?


Alain


On 30 Oct 2022, at 13:04, Jolin Warren wrote:

I was expecting something to happen to the messages, not the mailbox 
icon!  Didn’t even look there.


If you tick the option at the bottom of the colour menu – `Use 
Colour in Message List` – then it will also colour the messages 
(while they are in that mailbox, it doesn’t change their colour if 
you move them elsewhere).


--
=> Jolin
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Re: [MlMt] copy/paste html links

2022-09-15 Thread aisrael

I tried to copy (using a right click gives me the option Copy link) and 
paste your hyperlinked (Like this), an I get the (Like this) text 
followed by the corresponding hyperlink.


Alain



On 15 Sep 2022, at 18:26, Zvi Biener wrote:

Hi All,
There are two issues here, which I’m sorry I wasn’t sufficiently 
clear on:


1.  There is pasting a text string that begins with “http://“. For 
me, this indeed turns in to a full-fledged link automatically. I think 
this is the sort of thing that Sam is talking about.


2.  There is pasting a text string that doesn’t start with 
“http://“, but that is a hyperlink. (Like this). Cutting and pasting 
this sort of thing doesn’t yield a hyperlink for me, it just yields 
the text “Like this”).


The second one is what I’m curious about. Right now, I think I do 
something like Zak, which is to construct the appropriate 
markdown-formatted link. (I have an Alfred workflow that makes it very 
easy, I just wondered if there are other ideas out there. Happy to share 
the workflow w/ anyone interested).


Zvi
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Re: [MlMt] copy/paste html links

2022-09-15 Thread aisrael

In my hands I don’t get a hyperlink in MS Word until I press Space 
once. In Mailmate, with Markup set to Markdown, for whatever reason I 
get an hyperlink right away. As it always behaved that way, I never 
investigated why. Sorry not to be of more help.


Alain


On 15 Sep 2022, at 17:24, Sam Birch wrote:


On 15 Sep 2022, at 5:06, aisrael wrote:

In my hands, it pastes directly  as a link (version 5898, on Big 
Sur).


How’d you manage that? I’d love to have that behavior.

When pasting into Microsoft Word, I get a hyperlink, so I know the 
data makes it to the pasteboard. But pasting into a MailMate composer 
(with Markup set to Markdown) gives me plain text.


I’m using MailMate 5902 on macOS 12.5. I tried selecting and copying 
the “More information…” link from 
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  using both Firefox and Safari. Used ⌘C to copy from the browsers 
and ⌘V to paste to MailMate.


Thanks for any advice you can provide.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] copy/paste html links

2022-09-15 Thread aisrael


In my hands, it pastes directly  as a link (version 5898, on Big Sur).
Alain

On 14 Sep 2022, at 17:11, Zvi Biener wrote:


Hi All,

I wonder if you would share your various methods for pasting html 
links into MailMate? I’m envisioning the following scenario: you 
want to cut and paste a link from a webpage whose text is “XYX”. 
However, pasting into MailMate results in the plain-text phrase 
“XYX” without the link. Right now, I just add the link manually. 
But do you all have better methods?


Thanks,
Zvi
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Re: [MlMt] 5900 first blush...

2022-06-25 Thread aisrael

FWIW, the address I used to contact Rich in 2018 was :
m...@goodhumans.net

Alain

On 24 Jun 2022, at 22:04, Henry Seiden wrote:

Stephen,

Any idea what is going on in Preside? I sent in a support request to
them about an issue with Google Mail (gmail).

I tried it with my Google (gmail) account and it was a bust. Preside
refused to accept the OAUTH login info from Google and quit at that
step in their instructions. Also would not import existing accounts in
any way.

So, I’m kinda done there.

Respectfully,

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On 24 Jun 2022, at 15:18, Stephan Kleiber via mailmate wrote:

The one thing that I sorely miss in Preside is PGP signing and
encryption support. Other than that, it‘s really, really powerful.
You won‘t get any closer to MailMate with an email client on a
mobile device.

On 24. Jun 2022 at 18:29:42 CEST, aisrael
wrote:

Interesting, I missed this piece. I am a heavy user of Preside
(never
got used to Altamail), which I also find the closest thing to
Mailmate
on an iPhone. In particular its Search function is pretty
impressive. In
addition, its developer, Rich Waters, answers queries very quickly.
He

mentioned he is a also a single-person ‘team’, and he interacted
with Benny in the past.

Alain

PS : I had problems with Preside because of my Exchange server, but
Exchange is problematic with all email clients, including Mailmate.

On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:04, bw...@wraytx.com wrote:

On Jun 24, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Any Plans to make it in the future?

Benny has said “No” to an iOS version numerous times in the
past.

A couple of years ago, with the valuable help of several members of
this mailing list, I wrote a piece about two possible iOS
alternatives

you might want to consider:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2020/05/battle-ios-email-heavyweights/__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!vojUqoRbxNL3VX5VWytKI9gpO1EfKk9o58qudYCOti2MxC2xIwJ3NSPRLC04M1rnaJBMlYUp4H4ZvL0$

Best wishes,

Bryce Wray
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Re: [MlMt] 5900 first blush...

2022-06-24 Thread aisrael

Interesting, I missed this piece. I am a heavy user of Preside (never 
got used to Altamail), which I also find the closest thing to Mailmate 
on an iPhone. In particular its Search function is pretty impressive. In 
addition, its developer, Rich Waters, answers queries very quickly. He 
mentioned he is a also a single-person ‘team’, and he interacted 
with Benny in the past.


Alain

PS : I had problems with Preside because of my Exchange server, but 
Exchange is problematic with all email clients, including Mailmate.



On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:04, bw...@wraytx.com wrote:


On Jun 24, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Michael Nietzold wrote:

Any Plans to make it in the future?



Benny has said “No” to an iOS version numerous times in the past.

A couple of years ago, with the valuable help of several members of 
this mailing list, I wrote a piece about two possible iOS alternatives 
you might want to consider:


https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2020/05/battle-ios-email-heavyweights/__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!vojUqoRbxNL3VX5VWytKI9gpO1EfKk9o58qudYCOti2MxC2xIwJ3NSPRLC04M1rnaJBMlYUp4H4ZvL0$


Best wishes,

Bryce Wray
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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate not removing deleted messages from inbox (but is, locally)

2022-05-05 Thread aisrael

I experienced the same problem with MM and Preside about a year ago, and 
I solved it (after multiple unsuccessful attempts) by reinstalling 
Preside on my iPhone.


Alain

On 5 May 2022, at 15:56, Jason Davies wrote:


Hi folks,

Before I submit a full bug report, a reality check? I've been using MM 
for years and this has not occurred before. I noticed yesterday that 
after clearing out my inbox (deleting, filing), they were all still 
there on my phone emailer (Preside). That has persisted across a 
restart. If I delete in Preside, MM dutifully deletes swiftly from 
inbox. If I delete in MM, nothing happens on the phone, though the 
message does go into 'deleted' on the Mac.


Nothing has changed recently in my set-up unless MM updated itself 
quietly.


I can't see anything untoward in the Activity Viewer.

Hoping this is user error (be kind!) but if not, I'll do a proper and 
full account to the dev.


M1 Mac Mini, OS 12.3.1, MM 1.14 (5852).

Cheers,

Jason
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Re: [MlMt] mailboxes rearrangement

2022-05-04 Thread aisrael

Thank you Marc and Benny, it finally worked as you say : for some reason 
I did not drag the mailboxes correctly, and as a consequence they did 
not seem to move. But now everything is fine.


Alain






Did you try to just drag them to the place you prefer ?


Just to clarify, the order of IMAP accounts in all of the standard 
mailboxes (like the Inbox) follows the ordering under Sources in the 
mailbox list (where you can drag'n'drop to reorder). Smart mailboxes 
can be dragged anywhere you want.


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[MlMt] mailboxes rearrangement

2022-05-04 Thread aisrael

Within my general Inbox I have a bunch of smart mailboxes in 
alphabetical order, followed by the inboxes of my 3 IMAP accounts. Is 
there a possibility to rearrange the order of the mailboxes, in order to 
have my 3 IMAP inbox mailboxes at the top? I can rearrange the smart 
mailboxes by renaming them, but I can’t move the 3 inboxes.


Alain

PS : I guess I could create 3 smart mailboxes mimicking the 3 inboxes 
(but I have not tried to find out whether it is possible), and give them 
a name that starts with an A or an empty space, but I was looking for a 
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Re: [MlMt] Problems with search field in 5894

2022-05-04 Thread aisrael

I am using 5818, and it works with : *(f freron) paf* (I can find your 
email in my Inbox). Above the result one line appears that says : *From 
contains “freron” and Message contains paf.*


However I can’t find what you call Details and Plus.

Alain

On 4 May 2022, at 7:59, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:

When I enter more than one search expression in the box in the top 
right (see attached) nothing happens, when I enter one, the search 
works.


This works:

(f freron)

This does NOT work:

(f freron) paf

I can enter one, press "Details" and via the "plus" add a 2nd 
expression.


Anyone else see this problem, or is this me?

Version 1.14 (5894)

Patrik
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Re: [MlMt] Reply : problems

2022-04-09 Thread aisrael


Thanks. I’ll try to switch to version 5882, or 5883 or 5884.

Alain

On 9 Apr 2022, at 15:43, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate wrote:


On 7 Apr 2022, at 18:03, aisrael wrote:

I seem to experience the following problem, which gets worse with 
time (I use Mailmate version 5818, on Big Sur) : when I try to reply 
to an email, using the keyboard shortcut Command-R, the death ball 
starts spinning, for at least 10 s, and sometimes long enough so that 
I have to kill the app.


Has anyone seen this behaviour (and found a solution)?


works as expected here with Version 1.14 (5882)
The malbehaviour could be also System.

cheers
Matthias
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Re: [MlMt] links ending in $

2022-03-21 Thread aisrael

Dear Benny, has this been fixed in a recent update (I am using 5818)? I 
still can’t click on a link that ends with a “$” (a security 
filter modifies all the URL’s in the messages I receive, and among 
other modifications adds a "$" at the end), I have to copy-paste the 
link in my browser, which is pretty tedious.


Alain




Folks, my employer puts all links in emails through some filter that 
transforms the link to have a "$" at the end. MailMate seems to not 
recognize that the "$" is part of the link and leaves it off the 
underlined portion. This means clicking on links in MailMate 
virtually never works for me and I have to copy the actual string 
and paste in my browser.


I'll see if I can fix this for the next update. MailMate is still a 
bit too strict when auto-linking.


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Re: [MlMt] links ending in $

2021-11-25 Thread aisrael

Second version, please disregard the previous one :

Regarding this point, I can add the following :

After several verifications, this seems to be be a weird issue : I
attach a screenshot of a mail that displays that strange behaviour
(image 1) : when you click on the link, nothing happens as the $ sign
does not get included.

I then checked the appearance in Mail, Outlook and the Webmail, and the
$ is now included in the URL, which means you can click on it. Then I
forwarded the dubious email as an attachment with Mailmate, and it is
now shown correctly in the attachment.

But to make things weirder (at least to me),I asked my correspondent
whether his address includes a $, but it turns out his actual website
address is https://www.normalesup.org/~adanchin,
Which for some reason ends up here as :
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.normalesup.org/*adanchin__;fg!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!75VXTITbKIuEkUszAgRESBwDFxsBvVA_gpxn-KRscdeSmysMEwovF2Guj84utNpFQuBH$
when I receive it.

This being said, I am not sure the addresses will look the way I see
them when you receive this email.

Alain

On 25 Nov 2021, at 18:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 22 Nov 2021, at 17:02, aisrael wrote:

Folks, my employer puts all links in emails through some filter that
transforms the link to have a "$" at the end. MailMate seems to not
recognize that the "$" is part of the link and leaves it off the
underlined portion. This means clicking on links in MailMate
virtually never works for me and I have to copy the actual string
and paste in my browser.

I'll see if I can fix this for the next update. MailMate is still a
bit too strict when auto-linking.

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Re: [MlMt] links ending in $

2021-11-25 Thread aisrael


Regarding this point, I can add the following :
After several verifications, it seems to be a weird Mailmate issue. I 
attach a screen shot of a mail that displays that strange behaviour 
(image 1) : when you click on the link, nothing happens as the $ sign 
does not get included.


I then checked the appearance in Mail, Outlook and the Webmail, and the 
$ is now included in the URL, which means you can click on it. Then I 
forwarded the dubious email as an attachment, and it is now shown 
correctly in the attachment (image 2).


 Last thing I’ll have to do is to ask the person who sent this 
message whether his URL has a $ at the end or not. I’ll let you know.


Alain

On 25 Nov 2021, at 18:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Nov 2021, at 17:02, aisrael wrote:

Folks, my employer puts all links in emails through some filter that 
transforms the link to have a "$" at the end. MailMate seems to not 
recognize that the "$" is part of the link and leaves it off the 
underlined portion. This means clicking on links in MailMate 
virtually never works for me and I have to copy the actual string 
and paste in my browser.


I'll see if I can fix this for the next update. MailMate is still a 
bit too strict when auto-linking.


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Re: [MlMt] Delete problem

2021-11-22 Thread aisrael

Thanks Benny, indeed my 2 Deleted Messages submailboxes (2 separate 
accounts) were offline for 20 months (the main Deleted Messages mailbox 
did not indicate Offline, so I did not check the status of the sub 
mailboxes). Any idea why these 2 mailboxes (and no the others) went 
offline (and remained offline when I synchronised the 2 sources, which I 
did fairly recently)?


Alain

On 22 Nov 2021, at 15:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Nov 2021, at 13:00, aisrael wrote:

I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I 
delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is 
not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for 
that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a 
deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in 
Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail).


This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is 
not correct. Any idea?


Make sure all mailboxes are online under Sources in the mailbox list. 
It sounds like your mailbox for deleted messages might be offline (and 
then MailMate cannot synchronize the move).


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Re: [MlMt] links ending in $

2021-11-22 Thread aisrael

I have the exact same annoying problem (and I don’t know where this 
dollar comes from), and I’d be happy to know how to solve it.


Alain

On 22 Nov 2021, at 16:56, Justin Bradley wrote:

Folks, my employer puts all links in emails through some filter that 
transforms the link to have a "$" at the end. MailMate seems to not 
recognize that the "$" is part of the link and leaves it off the 
underlined portion. This means clicking on links in MailMate virtually 
never works for me and I have to copy the actual string and paste in 
my browser.


Any ideas on how to address something like this?

---
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[MlMt] Delete problem

2021-11-21 Thread aisrael

I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete 
a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not 
deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that 
matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in 
Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate 
(Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail).


This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not 
correct. Any idea?


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Re: [MlMt] Exchange: How to add another account with same credentials as the main account

2021-11-02 Thread aisrael

I can’t answer your question, but I was interested in the Exchange 
categories you mention, as I have tried for years to sync smart 
mailboxes between computers. I have been able to do this just for one of 
them, using one of the few available IMAP keywords. Can the Exchange 
categories help? Are they defined client side or server side? I guess in 
the second case it won’t help.


Alain

On 28 Oct 2021, at 13:24, Mike Brasch wrote:


Moin,

at work we use an on-premise Exchange server that I access with 
MailMate via DavMail. Whis works very well, including tagging (via 
IMAP keywords or Exchange categories).


But: how can I add an account for another mailbox, but for which I 
have to use the same login data as for my main account?


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[MlMt] New problem

2021-10-28 Thread aisrael

I experience a recent problem, which may or may not be related to 
Mailmate. Since a week the app no longer fetches the new messages which 
arrive on the server. I have to quit and relaunch Mailmate to get these 
new messages, which is of course not a viable solution. Otherwise, my 
other mail clients work well, so for some reason it only occurs with 
Mailmate.


I have tried to change the Mailmate version, just in case that would be 
the problem, but when I tried to check for new versions, I got the 
following error message :


*Error checking for new version
LibreSSL SSL_connect : SSL-ERROR-SYSCALL in connection to 
updates.mailmate-app.com:443*


Does that relate to the port I use? But I don’t use a port for 
incoming email, only for SMTP.


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Re: [MlMt] Unable to delete message

2021-10-14 Thread aisrael

I have about 2000 similar messages (since April 7, 2021) that I have not 
been able to delete. Most of them correspond to an event in my Calendar.

The message usually says  :

The server couldn't retrieve the following message:
Subject: “XXX”
From: "Not available" ("Not available")
Sent date: 9/25/2020 10:50:27 AM
The message hasn't been deleted. You might be able to view it using 
either Outlook or Outlook Web App. You can also contact the sender to 
find out what the message says.

Alain

On 14 Oct 2021, at 7:19, Michael Friedlander wrote:

A message in my inbox from "Microsoft Exchange Server 2010" with the 
subject "Retrieval using the IMAP4 protocol..." cannot be deleted. The 
message doesn't show up when use the web interface for that server. Is 
there a way to force MM to remove the 
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[MlMt] smart mailbox

2021-09-23 Thread aisrael

Regarding smart mailboxes, my understanding has always been that it is 
impossible to maintain them between 2 computers (running Mailmate).  
Does any workaround exist?


Alain
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Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to rescue the latest draft which I didn't safe?

2021-09-19 Thread aisrael

When Mailmate crashes, the email I was just writing seems to be saved 
somewhere (even if I did not save before), and when I relaunch Mialmate, 
it asks whether I want to re-open this mail (some of the final texte may 
not be saved, but usually it works). However I don’t know whether this 
also works when you click Don’t save.


Alain

On 19 Sep 2021, at 11:14, leo wrote:

I made a mistake: I wrote a lengthily draft, then closed it, because I 
wanted to come back to it later to send it. However, when I was asked 
„*Do you want to save your changes?*“ I clicked „*Don’t 
save*“, instead of „*Save*“.


I immediately realised my mistake, but of course it was to late… 
**_or not_**? I did close MailMate on the MacBook in question straight 
away.


Now I’m hoping that MailMate saves the latest draft during the 
editing process to the filesystem somewhere (even when it is not saved 
to the IMAP Drafts folder), maybe only overwriting it when I create a 
new draft…


Does anybody can help me where to look for this file? Am I somehow in 
luck?


Many thanks for pointers!
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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailbox of IMAP flagged messages?,

2021-06-04 Thread aisrael

I just tried using the Flag option under Conditions, and it works (you 
can even specify the colour).

Alain

On 4 Jun 2021, at 19:15, Jim Leff wrote:


Hi!

I "flagged" a sent message (I did this within Mailmate v1.13.2).

Then I set up a smart mailbox for IMAP flagged messages, following 
instructions here: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2020-December/013461.html__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6JobT_wug20TFi3mVPeNkIDGAgAlUnUTD0BJLTEOK0QwSiUTvIDgpDPk6gRhdxE6$
I set the mailbox rule as expansive as possible, choosing "Any" of the 
following mailboxes and "All Messages”. Configuration screenshots 
here: 
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But the mailbox is empty.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailbox of IMAP flagged messages?,

2021-06-04 Thread aisrael

The instructions you indicate seem to involve tags, and not flags. Tags 
work quite well for generating a smart mailbox, but I never tried flags.


Alain

On 4 Jun 2021, at 19:15, Jim Leff wrote:


Hi!

I "flagged" a sent message (I did this within Mailmate v1.13.2).

Then I set up a smart mailbox for IMAP flagged messages, following 
instructions here: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2020-December/013461.html__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6JobT_wug20TFi3mVPeNkIDGAgAlUnUTD0BJLTEOK0QwSiUTvIDgpDPk6gRhdxE6$
I set the mailbox rule as expansive as possible, choosing "Any" of the 
following mailboxes and "All Messages”. Configuration screenshots 
here: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://i.imgur.com/HWhf3Vq.png__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6JobT_wug20TFi3mVPeNkIDGAgAlUnUTD0BJLTEOK0QwSiUTvIDgpDPk6l6JYCg2$

But the mailbox is empty.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

JIM
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Re: [MlMt] Select Duplicates menu item always grayed out

2021-02-19 Thread aisrael

For me (r5726 and Mojave), *select duplicates* is always available, even 
in smart mailboxes.


Alain

On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:59, Glenn Parker wrote:


On 19 Feb 2021, at 9:47, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I'm running r5757 and want to try to find and eliminate some 
duplicate messages, but no matter what mailbox or set of messages I 
select, the 'Edit->Select Duplicates' menu item remains grayed out.


Anyone else seeing this issue, or know how I'm supposed to use it?


For me, Select Duplicates is only available for regular folders (aka 
“mailbox”) under a Source, i.e. *not* “container” folders or 
smart folders.


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[MlMt] Death ball

2021-02-11 Thread aisrael

I am currently using Mailmate (1.13.2/5726) on a computer running 
Mojave. Since a few weeks, when I either open a window for a new mail, 
answer an email or try to forward it, the coloured ball starts spinning 
for ~10 s, which is quite annoying. Has anyone seen that? Is there a 
solution to get rid of this problem?


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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

2021-02-07 Thread aisrael

I have installed the bundle, re-started Mailmate, and unexpectedly I 
don’t need any new keyboard shortcut : when I paste (command-V) a text 
form MS Word, it now appears as plain text, which is perfect for me, but 
seems to differ from the behaviour you describe.


Alain

On 6 Feb 2021, at 20:03, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi all,

  To give some more solutions... you can also use a text expansion 
utility for that (Typinator, aText, TextExpander, Alfred, ...). For 
example, I'm using Typinator and by typing 'vv' I'm getting my 
clipboard in plain text.


However, if you prefer to simply use MailMate, I've built a Bundle 
that should do the same thing as those applications, but invoked 
directly from MailMate.


You can download it here: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://d.pr/f/U3oOv1__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6DvbqwNS78G6V9FsGT8iDtkKGYknimuYdeV1PMY9jcsf9H1MMyHwSk9Nav7ta2k0$

I have created two commands:

1. **Paste as plain text**: Which change your clipboard content to 
plain text and paste it to the front window
2. **Paste by typing**: Same thing, but doesn't change the content of 
the clipboard, it will type it as if you manually type the content


While creating them, I have added some keyboard shortcuts, but I'm not 
sure if it's a bug from MailMate, but on my side they are only invoked 
if I open the "Command > Paste (Extra)" menu item... If anyone tries 
it, maybe you can get back and let me know if the shortcuts work 
correctly on your side


Best,

--
Guillaume

On 6 Feb 2021, at 7:21, Tobias Jung wrote:


On 6 Feb 2021, at 4:22, Alex Abdo wrote:


If you use Alfred (a great replacement for Spotlight


… among *many* others features)

, it also manages your clipboard for you and allows you to paste 
very easily without formatting. You use option-command C to pull up 
Alfred’s clipboard list, and then select which of your recent 
clipboard items you want to paste, and hit enter.


Or you set up a hotkey to "paste as plain text" as shown here:



The downside is, you need to buy the "Powerpack" (£29 ≈ €33 ≈ 
US$40) in order to use this functions.
In my opinion, it’s absolutely worth it but I think this should be 
mentioned.
(I assure you I’m in no way connected to the vendors of the 
application, nor do I receive any benefits for praising it, I’m 
just a satisfied user.)


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

2021-02-06 Thread aisrael

Thanks Guillaume, I will try that. Incidentally, I use version 5726 of 
Mailmate, but for someone else who uses an older version (5673 or 
something close), this problem does not exist. At some point I remember 
Benny mentioning something along this line, but I can’t seem to find 
the right email.


Alain

On 6 Feb 2021, at 20:03, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi all,

  To give some more solutions... you can also use a text expansion 
utility for that (Typinator, aText, TextExpander, Alfred, ...). For 
example, I'm using Typinator and by typing 'vv' I'm getting my 
clipboard in plain text.


However, if you prefer to simply use MailMate, I've built a Bundle 
that should do the same thing as those applications, but invoked 
directly from MailMate.


You can download it here: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://d.pr/f/U3oOv1__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!6DvbqwNS78G6V9FsGT8iDtkKGYknimuYdeV1PMY9jcsf9H1MMyHwSk9Nav7ta2k0$

I have created two commands:

1. **Paste as plain text**: Which change your clipboard content to 
plain text and paste it to the front window
2. **Paste by typing**: Same thing, but doesn't change the content of 
the clipboard, it will type it as if you manually type the content


While creating them, I have added some keyboard shortcuts, but I'm not 
sure if it's a bug from MailMate, but on my side they are only invoked 
if I open the "Command > Paste (Extra)" menu item... If anyone tries 
it, maybe you can get back and let me know if the shortcuts work 
correctly on your side


Best,

--
Guillaume

On 6 Feb 2021, at 7:21, Tobias Jung wrote:


On 6 Feb 2021, at 4:22, Alex Abdo wrote:


If you use Alfred (a great replacement for Spotlight


… among *many* others features)

, it also manages your clipboard for you and allows you to paste 
very easily without formatting. You use option-command C to pull up 
Alfred’s clipboard list, and then select which of your recent 
clipboard items you want to paste, and hit enter.


Or you set up a hotkey to "paste as plain text" as shown here:



The downside is, you need to buy the "Powerpack" (£29 ≈ €33 ≈ 
US$40) in order to use this functions.
In my opinion, it’s absolutely worth it but I think this should be 
mentioned.
(I assure you I’m in no way connected to the vendors of the 
application, nor do I receive any benefits for praising it, I’m 
just a satisfied user.)


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

2021-02-05 Thread aisrael

Interesting suggestion. I tried CopyLess2, and it works. Thank you.

Alain

On 5 Feb 2021, at 18:23, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

I use a clipboard manager for various things. One nice side effect of
this is that it (optionally) strips all formatting from text and
pasted plain text.

On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:16 AM, aisrael wrote:

I did just that, but it is pretty cumbersome. There must be a better
way (at least I hope).

Alain

On 5 Feb 2021, at 17:10, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

Same here. A work around is to first copy the text into Notes or the
Apple text editor and then copy and paste it into MM.

Thomas

On 5 Feb 2021, at 17:06, aisrael wrote:

When I copy and paste a fragment of a MS Word document into a
Mailmate mail, it appears as an attached .png image, instead of a
regular text in the body of the email. How is it possible to get rid
of formatting so that copy/paste works the way I expect? I tried
shift-command-V normally used to get rid of formatting, but it does
not seem to work.

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Re: [MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

2021-02-05 Thread aisrael

I did just that, but it is pretty cumbersome. There must be a better way 
(at least I hope).

Alain

On 5 Feb 2021, at 17:10, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

Same here. A work around is to first copy the text into Notes or the 
Apple text editor and then copy and paste it into MM.


Thomas


On 5 Feb 2021, at 17:06, aisrael wrote:

When I copy and paste a fragment of a MS Word document into a 
Mailmate mail, it appears as an attached .png image, instead of a 
regular text in the body of the email. How is it possible to get rid 
of formatting so that copy/paste works the way I expect? I tried 
shift-command-V normally used to get rid of formatting, but it does 
not seem to work.


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[MlMt] Copy/paste word in mailmate

2021-02-05 Thread aisrael

When I copy and paste a fragment of a MS Word document into a Mailmate 
mail, it appears as an attached .png image, instead of a regular text in 
the body of the email. How is it possible to get rid of formatting so 
that copy/paste works the way I expect? I tried shift-command-V normally 
used to get rid of formatting, but it does not seem to work.


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[MlMt] Alias mailing list

2020-12-09 Thread aisrael

The answer to my question is probably obvious, but I could not find it 
in the forum archives :


Can I create an alias for a mailing list directly in Mailmate, or should 
I do it in the Contacts (which I don’t use normally), or on the 
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[MlMt] Crash version 5726

2020-11-08 Thread aisrael

In this new version (which incidentally has solved my problem of typing 
delays), the function *Edit as a new message* crashes the app every time 
I try to use it. Is it a known problem?


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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard slow after upgrade to Mojave

2020-10-19 Thread aisrael


I moved to release 5726, and it is now working OK.
Alain

On 18 Oct 2020, at 22:05, Ralph Alvy wrote:

This is driving me to consider using Mail.app until it's fixed. Unless 
someone tells me the latest beta helps this. I only have the latest 
Normal release.


On 12 Oct 2020, at 6:46, aisrael wrote:

Weirdly enough, it works better when I dictate instead of using the 
keyboard.

lain


Same for me (Mojave 10.14.6 and build 5673). Originally I thought it 
was due to my cheap keyboard, but the other apps don’t show that. 
Any workaround?


Alain Israel

On 10 Oct 2020, at 22:39, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 10 Oct 2020, at 21:26, Ralph Alvy wrote:


Has this slow keyboard issue been addressed in the latest beta?

I do see less slowness since applying he latest Mojave update.


Probably won't help much but seeing it here too (build 5673)

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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard slow after upgrade to Mojave

2020-10-12 Thread aisrael

Weirdly enough, it works better when I dictate instead of using the 
keyboard.

Alain


Same for me (Mojave 10.14.6 and build 5673). Originally I thought it was 
due to my cheap keyboard, but the other apps don’t show that. Any 
workaround?


Alain Israel

On 10 Oct 2020, at 22:39, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 10 Oct 2020, at 21:26, Ralph Alvy wrote:


Has this slow keyboard issue been addressed in the latest beta?

I do see less slowness since applying he latest Mojave update.


Probably won't help much but seeing it here too (build 5673)

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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard slow after upgrade to Mojave

2020-10-12 Thread aisrael

Same for me (Mojave 10.14.6 and build 5673). Originally I thought it was 
due to my cheap keyboard, but the other apps don’t show that. Any 
workaround?


Alain Israel

On 10 Oct 2020, at 22:39, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


On 10 Oct 2020, at 21:26, Ralph Alvy wrote:


Has this slow keyboard issue been addressed in the latest beta?

I do see less slowness since applying he latest Mojave update.


Probably won't help much but seeing it here too (build 5673)

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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

2020-09-04 Thread aisrael

I use Preside, I have around 300 000 emails, split into multiple 
folders, and it works fine. I found it the closest thing to Mailmate 
(although I find it much less ergonomic on the iPad). I also used 
Altamail, but for some unknown reasons (I suspect due to the fact that I 
use an Exchange server), some of my folders never appear in the list. 
Therefore I stopped using it.


Alain

On 4 Sep 2020, at 16:25, Robert Goldman wrote:

Do you know if this is an issue with individual IMAP *folders* or IMAP 
*accounts* with large numbers of messages?  I'm not sure how to 
interpret "inbox" in


“One more thing that can help a lot is to keep your Inboxes clean. 
The app can check an Inbox with 50 emails a LOT faster than it can 
check an Inbox with 5,000 emails.”


Does that mean if we don't subscribe to huge folders we will be ok, 
even if we have a lot of them?  Or is this more a function of the 
overall number of message in the account as a whole?


I'm ok with the first, but I have at least one IMAP account that is 
huge.


On 4 Sep 2020, at 8:28, Bryce Wray wrote:


On 4 Sep 2020, at 8:05, m...@rhp.tw wrote:

Have you attempted to contact the Preside developer? I've found that 
he's incredibly helpful and replies quickly.


On Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 06:28 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Preside is very powerful but totally fails on large inboxes (I have 
1.000.000+ messages). I gave it 2 weeks to try and stop fetching 
new messages but never completed.

It never managed to show new messages consistently because of this.

In the end I've settled with Spark which has decent smart folders 
and does not choke on the big inbox.


/max
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First, thanks to Guillaume Barrette for the article plug elsewhere in 
this thread. :-)


The Preside dev is, indeed, extraordinarily helpful and responsive; 
but he also hints within Preside’s FAQ page about issues with 
mailboxes with massive numbers of emails. For example, in 
https://preside.io/faq.html#NotificationsTooLong: “One more thing 
that can help a lot is to keep your Inboxes clean. The app can check 
an Inbox with 50 emails a LOT faster than it can check an Inbox with 
5,000 emails.”


Of course, that reference is specifically about notifications, and 
thus perhaps unrelated to the issue mentioned here. Just FYI.


Best wishes,

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Re: [MlMt] Response/forward chase

2020-07-14 Thread aisrael

Thanks for the tip. Indeed using the Correspondence layout I seem to be 
able to trace the replies (but not the forwards apparently). But I was 
mostly looking for replies, so it helps.

Alain

On 13 Jul 2020, at 10:33, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


tried use View > Layout > Threaded ?

The detail view for a message has a list that shows all messages in 
same thread / same subject.


not sure if that captures forwards ... not sure that is even 
traceable...if it is we can update the query used for that view to 
include it.


/max
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On 7 Jul 2020, at 19:04, aisrael wrote:

After I reply to an email, or forward it to someone else, I move 
these messages to mailboxes which are not necesssarily identical to 
the one where the original message is located (especially when the 
original message is still in the Inbox). How can I access these 
messages, starting from the original message? When I click twice on 
the straight or curved arrow that indicates the message has been 
answered or forwarded, I do not access anything (except, apparently,  
when the reply is still located in the Reply mailbox).  Am I doing 
anything wrong?


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Re: [MlMt] Response/forward chase

2020-07-12 Thread aisrael

Thanks for the tip. I think the problem (at least one of them) is that I 
don’t really know where (in which mailbox) the app is searching when I 
click the arrow : the current mailbox, the Sent mailbox, anything else 
(the only thing I am sure is that it does not search in All Messages, 
which would have been fine)?
So if I create a smart mailbox, I need to know where it will pick the 
messages. Of course the ideal would be that this smart mailbox 
“contains” the messages which have once been in the Sent mailbox, 
irrespective of the mailbox they are now, but I don’t think a rule can 
be designed to do this.


Alain

On 11 Jul 2020, at 20:29, Randall Gellens wrote:


On 7 Jul 2020, at 10:04, aisrael wrote:

After I reply to an email, or forward it to someone else, I move 
these messages to mailboxes which are not necesssarily identical to 
the one where the original message is located (especially when the 
original message is still in the Inbox). How can I access these 
messages, starting from the original message? When I click twice on 
the straight or curved arrow that indicates the message has been 
answered or forwarded, I do not access anything (except, apparently,  
when the reply is still located in the Reply mailbox).  Am I doing 
anything wrong?


Perhaps you want to create a "smart" mailbox that includes messages in 
both mailboxes (e.g., both the Inbox and the mailbox to which you move 
the message).  If you view messages in the "smart" mailbox, see if 
that shows the full thread.


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[MlMt] Response/forward chase

2020-07-07 Thread aisrael

After I reply to an email, or forward it to someone else, I move these 
messages to mailboxes which are not necesssarily identical to the one 
where the original message is located (especially when the original 
message is still in the Inbox). How can I access these messages, 
starting from the original message? When I click twice on the straight 
or curved arrow that indicates the message has been answered or 
forwarded, I do not access anything (except, apparently,  when the reply 
is still located in the Reply mailbox).  Am I doing anything wrong?


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Re: [MlMt] Export and save

2020-06-01 Thread aisrael

Thank you for all your answers, I will check these various apps, 
assuming they have a free trial version. Given the (very) high number of 
mails I have to keep, the efficiency of the Find function will be 
critical, as well as, if possible, the support of the hierarchical 
organisation of the mailboxes.


Alain

On 1 Jun 2020, at 17:18, Eric Sharakan wrote:

I use EagleFiler (https://c-command.com/eaglefiler/) for this, along 
with the EagleFiler MM bundle.


I had noted some ideas on how to potentially customize the bundle to 
better handle tagged emails, but haven't had the time to try to 
implement them.


-Eric

On 1 Jun 2020, at 10:52, aisrael wrote:

I know this has been treated repeatedly, but I can’t seem to find 
the relevant information : if my emails are deleted from the server 
(when I retire for example), how can I save all my mailboxes/emails 
locally (or on a server) in a searchable form, that would include the 
attachments?


I seem to remember there were commercial apps that can do that, but I 
don’t find the right info.


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[MlMt] Export and save

2020-06-01 Thread aisrael

I know this has been treated repeatedly, but I can’t seem to find the 
relevant information : if my emails are deleted from the server (when I 
retire for example), how can I save all my mailboxes/emails locally (or 
on a server) in a searchable form, that would include the attachments?


I seem to remember there were commercial apps that can do that, but I 
don’t find the right info.


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Re: [MlMt] strikethrough

2020-05-13 Thread aisrael

Thank you, I had missed this menu command, and it works great. It is a 
bit weird as the strikethrough is not a straight line (how can they 
implement a crooked line?), but who cares…..

Alain

On 13 May 2020, at 14:48, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi,

  First, MailMate has a s̶t̶r̶i̶k̶e̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ 
feature, but it seems it's not based on markdown, but on ASCII 
character. Which is great for people who want to read the plain text 
version of the email and don't know the markdown way of strikethrough.


You can find this feature in the menubar at: `Format > Strikethrough` 
or CMD+X by default I think


Regarding the markdown processor, from what I've seen, MailMate uses 
`sundown`. You can find the processor at:


`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`

However, I don't know if Benny customized it for MailMate.

One thing worth noting, from the sundown GitHub page, we can see that 
is fully standard compliant, but has optional support for several 
non-standard Markdown extensions like:


- non-strict emphasis
- fenced code blocks
- tables
- autolinks
- strikethrough
- and more...

So, maybe the strikethrough extension is simply not activated by 
Benny? Maybe it would be great to activate this option from sundown 
(I'm asking Benny here as a feature request ;) )?


Another point regarding aisrael question, that made me think of 
[CriticMarkup](http://criticmarkup.com). Maybe it would be great to 
add CriticMarkup as an extension like we have for the Math language or 
Highlight code feature or as a bundle (if possible)


Best,

--
Guillaume

On 13 May 2020, at 8:29, Charlie Clark wrote:


On 13 May 2020, at 14:19, Bryce Wray wrote:

Ah, you are absolutely correct, sir. My mistake. As a Multi-MD fan 
myself, wish it were an option. Maybe someday…


Two things:
* the documentation should detail what is supported (and possibly 
what isn't supported)
* if we knew which library was being used we might be able to see if 
it can be fixed upstream


But basically, MailMate falls down frequently because of inadequate 
documentation. It would be nice to "open source" the documentation at 
least so that some power users could contribute to it. That said, I 
fully understand that even just setting up a dedicated (sub?) repo 
for this would be work.


Charlie

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[MlMt] strikethrough

2020-05-13 Thread aisrael

People often send me a message asking for my modifications before 
sending it. To highlight my modifications I can use bold or italics, but 
this is not really sufficient, and  I was wondering whether there is a 
possibility to use strikethrough? Of course the possibility of using 
colours would be great (like in Thunderbird for example) but I 
understand it can’t be done in Mailmate. But having bold, italics and 
strikethrough would be sufficient for the majority of my needs 
(otherwise I have to open another mail client to do that, which is 
cumbersome).


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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

2020-05-13 Thread aisrael

I found a workaround for my problem, but then I stumble on a Mailmate 
question :
Instead of hitting the *Delete* key, I use the *Move to Junk* command, 
and the messages finally disappear from the Preside Inbox. But to me 
that does not make much sense: hitting *Delete* moves the messages to a 
mailbox (located above the Sources) called *Deleted Messages*, while 
hitting *Move to Junk* moves them to a Junk mailbox : so I can’t 
really see why one works in Preside while the other does not. With a 
caveat : hitting the Move to Junk key (or shortcut) moves the messages 
not to the Junk mailbox located above the Sources in the left panel, but 
to another mailbox called Junk Email, located within the Sources, that I 
don’t remember having created. Does that make sense, or am I missing 
something?


Alain



I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, essentially 
for its customisation options (although navigating these endless menus 
and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). Besides Preside 
is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I understood 
correctly).
There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, but 
which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on Mailmate, 
they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in Mailmate 
(from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they disappear 
from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target mailbox. I thought 
this was because the designated Deleted mailbox was different in the 2 
apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit irritating (to say the 
least), and I can’t seem to find a way to fix this.


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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

2020-05-10 Thread aisrael

Thanks. I did contact Rich on a few occasions, and he has has been quite 
responsive, but this time I wasn’t successful. I will try again.

Alain

On 10 May 2020, at 16:51, Dave C wrote:

Email the developer. I’m sure they would like to know and/or have an 
answer for you:


i...@preside.io

Dave


I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, 
essentially for its customisation options (although navigating these 
endless menus and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). 
Besides Preside is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I 
understood correctly).
There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, 
but which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on 
Mailmate, they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in 
Mailmate (from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they 
disappear from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target 
mailbox. I thought this was because the designated Deleted mailbox 
was different in the 2 apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit 
irritating (to say the least), and I can’t seem to find a way to 
fix this.


Alain


On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with 
the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's 
not a negative for  me at all.  The big pluses for me are the 
customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, 
which are totally compatible with MailMate.


I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, 
but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I 
also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than 
the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two 
and no way to sync settings that I've found.


One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always 
spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are 
two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch 
between the two for certain emails to render properly.


Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't 
have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS.


-Eric

On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray  wrote:

Fellow MailMate users,


I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a 
lot to unpack here.


A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a 
MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of 
two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in 
the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write 
a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would 
appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** 
whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re 
the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** 
*if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of 
the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent 
quotes if applicable.)*


To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that 
I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast 
majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; 
hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple 
“IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble 
opinion...


## AltaMail

- Pros
   - Real-time, highly configurable notifications.
   - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels.
   - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards.
   - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although 
this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent 
from my” signature lines that reference a specific device).
   - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since 
I haven’t yet requested help.]


- Cons
   - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult 
to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized 
screen. (Its biggest flaw.)
   - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running 
in background.
   - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access 
(apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery 
juice).
   - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ 
appearances.
   - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even 
when explicitly set for that device.
   - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult 
to navigate, and lack screen captures.

   - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial.
   - Doesn’t use Markdown.


## Preside

- Pros
   - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels.
   - Vast customization options for both functionality and 
look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to 
get used to it.
   - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent 
look-and-feel with iPhone version.

   - Apparently

Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?

2020-05-10 Thread aisrael

I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, essentially 
for its customisation options (although navigating these endless menus 
and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). Besides Preside 
is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I understood 
correctly).
There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, but 
which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on Mailmate, 
they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in Mailmate 
(from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they disappear 
from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target mailbox. I thought 
this was because the designated Deleted mailbox was different in the 2 
apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit irritating (to say the 
least), and I can’t seem to find a way to fix this.


Alain

On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with 
the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not 
a negative for  me at all.  The big pluses for me are the 
customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, 
which are totally compatible with MailMate.


I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but 
now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also 
find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the 
iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two and no 
way to sync settings that I've found.


One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot 
on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are two 
different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between 
the two for certain emails to render properly.


Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't 
have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS.


-Eric

On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray  wrote:

Fellow MailMate users,
  

I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a 
lot to unpack here.


A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a 
MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of 
two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in 
the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a 
(totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would 
appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** 
whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re 
the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if 
you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the 
room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if 
applicable.)*


To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m 
not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you 
are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my 
curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” 
qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble 
opinion...


## AltaMail

- Pros
- Real-time, highly configurable notifications.
- Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels.
- Apparently thorough adherence to email standards.
	- Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although 
this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent 
from my” signature lines that reference a specific device).
	- [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I 
haven’t yet requested help.]


- Cons
	- Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to 
navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. 
(Its biggest flaw.)
	- Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in 
background.
	- Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access 
(apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery 
juice).

- Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances.
	- Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even 
when explicitly set for that device.
	- User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to 
navigate, and lack screen captures.

- Enforced subscription model after initial free trial.
- Doesn’t use Markdown.


## Preside

- Pros
- Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels.
	- Vast customization options for both functionality and 
look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get 
used to it.
	- Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent 
look-and-feel with iPhone version.

- Apparently thorough adherence to email standards.
	- Until you get the hang of the config options, “Profiles” let 
you get a head-start on setting things to look as you want, such as 
making it look remarkably like the Apple app if you’re initially 
more comfortable with its visual

Re: [MlMt] MailMate slowness?!

2019-10-12 Thread aisrael

Same for me, except that at the end the app crashes, or I have to kill 
it (last version of Mailmate, MacOS High Sierra). Therefore I can no 
longer blacklist an email address.

Alain

On 12 Oct 2019, at 11:21, Peter Stevens wrote:


Hi,

I have a much newer Mac - copying the email address from an email 
takes “forever”. Right-Click on the from field, wait about 5s 
(after about 2s the spinning ball appears), then I can select copy 
name, copy address, etc.


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On 12 Oct 2019, at 8:20, Angelo Machils via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

After a while of not using a Mac, I just got a secondhand MB Air 
(2015) and of course installed MailMate. I have had a (very) similar 
machine before, but I can’t really remember if MailMate was so slow 
on that as well. For example, if I click the reply button or type 
COM-R, it takes about 3-4 seconds for the window to show, sometimes I 
even see the spinning ball. 3-4 Seconds don’t seem that long but 
with the stock Mail application, the window appears instantly.
Also, when typing with MD preview, I actually type faster than the 
characters appear on the screen, also in the text window. Something I 
haven’t seen since the days of a serial terminal :) None of my 
other applications seems so slow/sluggish.


I understand my system is far from being a powerhouse, but I never 
considered MM to be a ‘heavy’ application.



Regards,

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[MlMt] move and open

2019-06-08 Thread aisrael

Is there a possibility, when you move a message to a mailbox, to open 
that mailbox automatically at the same time?


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Re: [MlMt] sticky mail

2019-05-22 Thread aisrael

I could also try to persuade IT people to move to something else than 
Exchange, but I am not overly optimistic about my chances of success.

Alain

On 21 May 2019, at 22:31, Bill Cole wrote:


On 21 May 2019, at 5:12, Alain Israel wrote:

Problem is that in the other apps/clients, only the real message 
appears. The warning message only appears in Mailmate, suggesting it 
is a Mailmate-specific problem.


The message that you see in MailMate is generated by Exchange, and is 
not MailMate-specific but rather IMAP-specific.


Such incidents can be transient on the server side, so using 
Message->Reset in MailMate may resolve the problem.   If it does not, 
you may be able to unstick the message by moving it to a different 
mailbox with a client that can really see it, however you may only get 
a fix for the situation from whoever manages the recalcitrant Exchange 
server.


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Re: [MlMt] sticky mail

2019-05-22 Thread aisrael

I’ll try next time because, as weird as it sounds, the warning message 
disappeared by itself. Too complicated for me, and not a major problem.

Alain

On 21 May 2019, at 21:47, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Right, but my thinking is that if you move the real message (using 
Outlook or any method you can), then MM won't see the message anymore 
to complain about being unable to download it. :-)


-Eric

On 21 May 2019, at 5:12, Alain Israel wrote:

Problem is that in the other apps/clients, only the real message 
appears. The warning message only appears  in Mailmate, suggesting it 
is a Mailmate-specific problem.


Alain

On 21 May 2019, at 4:24, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Did you try moving/deleting the message using your other client or 
web app?  I'm not familiar with Outlook, but when I had a similar 
problem with MM being unable to download some of my work email (due 
to database corruption on the server side), the only way to deal 
with it was using the provided corporate web app.


HTH.

-Eric

On 19 May 2019, at 7:06, aisrael wrote:


For the first time in years I received the following message :
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The server couldn't retrieve the following message:
Subject: "Re: nominations CA"
From: “XXX” ("/O=PASTEUR/OU=EXCHANGE ADMINISTRATIVE GROUP 
(FYDIBOHF23SPDLT)/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=9FB41DEFD0474B938810060C27A2D1D1-CBUCH")

Sent date: 17/05/2019 20:26:13

The message hasn't been deleted. You might be able to view it using 
either Outlook or Outlook Web App. You can also contact the sender 
to find out what the message says.

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The subject was : *Retrieval using the IMAP4 protocol failed for 
the following message: 192930*


I usually receive hundreds of messages from the same sender, with 
no problem.


This is not a major problem as I retrieved the message using a 
different app, but unexpectedly the warning message cannot be 
deleted, nor moved to any mailbox. Does anyone know how I can I get 
rid of it?


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[MlMt] mailing list

2019-05-19 Thread aisrael

From time to time I have a long mailing list that exceeds the size of 
the window that shows the recipients’ addresses. This window enlarges 
to some extent, but only shows 6 lines. What I find annoying is that it 
is impossible to scroll through the list, you have to use the up and 
down arrows, which to me is not very convenient. Is there a way to 
circumvent this “problem”, that I may have missed?


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[MlMt] sticky mail

2019-05-19 Thread aisrael

For the first time in years I received the following message :
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The server couldn't retrieve the following message:
Subject: "Re: nominations CA"
From: “XXX” ("/O=PASTEUR/OU=EXCHANGE ADMINISTRATIVE GROUP 
(FYDIBOHF23SPDLT)/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=9FB41DEFD0474B938810060C27A2D1D1-CBUCH")

Sent date: 17/05/2019 20:26:13

The message hasn't been deleted. You might be able to view it using 
either Outlook or Outlook Web App. You can also contact the sender to 
find out what the message says.

__

The subject was : *Retrieval using the IMAP4 protocol failed for the 
following message: 192930*

I usually receive hundreds of messages from the same sender, with no 
problem.

This is not a major problem as I retrieved the message using a different 
app, but unexpectedly the warning message cannot be deleted, nor moved 
to any mailbox. Does anyone know how I can I get rid of it?

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Re: [MlMt] Mail-Templates?

2019-02-20 Thread aisrael

I use xType, which is free, very simple, quite old and I am not sure it 
is still updated, but in my hands he has been working OK for several 
years now (I am on Sierra).


Alain

On 20 Feb 2019, at 9:44, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate wrote:


On 12 Feb 2019, at 23:24, Lipman, Barton L wrote:

My apologies if this was already mentioned, but I think TextExpander 
is

a more flexible and easier way to do this.


thanks, I’ve been using that one and the keyboard short cuts 
sometimes just don’t work.
All in all I consider Textexpander buggy and I was looking for an 
alternative ;-)


cheers
Matthias



Bart


On 12 Feb 2019, at 17:17, Randall Gellens wrote:


On 11 Feb 2019, at 3:16, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Just save template mails as drafts in Drafts, with appropriate
subject to indicate that this is a template, and Edit as new mail
each time?


This is what I do, except that I also copy the message to a
"Stationery" mailbox (the term Eudora used), to make it easy to 
find.

When I want to send such a message, I select it in the "Stationery"
mailbox and then select Edit as New Message under the Message menu.

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Re: [MlMt] Bounce Message Forwarding

2018-11-18 Thread aisrael

I have the same problem : forwarded messages appear empty from time to 
time. I did not try to solve the problem, nor to determine which type of 
message is affected. I usually get around the problem by copy/paste, or 
using Reply and changing the Recipient, but this is because I’m lazy. 
I’d be happy if there is a way to solve this problem.


Alain



On 18 Nov 2018, at 11:29, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 16 Nov 2018, at 18:12, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I am seeing what Jan described regularly. Certain messages, bounces 
in particular, quote the original msg in a way that it is somehow a 
separate part of the message that is skipped when forwarding. The 
quoted msg is visually displayed by MM in a separate box. Replying 
creates an empty msg, btw. I can send you screen shots of such msgs 
if Jan does not have them.


The easiest is if I can simply reproduce the issue. Drag an example 
out of MailMate and Compress it using the Finder. Then send it to me 
off list using “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.


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Re: [MlMt] Copying a message

2018-10-28 Thread aisrael

If you use Evernote, you can forward the mail you want to keep to your 
Evernote specific email address, and it will create a note with a clean 
(searchable) representation of the original email.
You can also drag and drop it into a Devonthink window, with the same 
final output as with Evernote (incidentally Devonthink can keep a 
searchable database of all Mailmate emails).

Alain

On 28 Oct 2018, at 6:32, Bill Cole wrote:


On 27 Oct 2018, at 20:10, Scott A. McIntyre wrote:

Since MailMate doesn't have a way to export email to a standard 
format


Umm... I don't believe that to be true.

Drag & drop into the Finder creates a plain text file for each message 
with a .eml extension which adheres to  RFC822 email message format. 
The file naming is a mess, but it works.


The "Export" bundle (Command->Export) can save one or more messages to 
a specified folder as the same sort of ".eml" file with less sketchy 
naming or as a ".mbox" file which is a Unix mailbox file: essentially 
a series of plain text RFC822 messages delimited by lines containing 
'From' the sender address, and the delivery time, with those fields 
delimited by a space.


These are standard formats. They are *plain text* formats. Most mail 
client software with any import capability will understand them both. 
Most mail server software has some form of support for both, either 
for transport or for delivered messages.



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Re: [MlMt] opening thread

2017-12-24 Thread aisrael


thanks, ⌥ right-arrow is nice. Any shortcut to close the thread?
Alain

On 23 Dec 2017, at 11:17, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Dec 2017, at 10:42, Alain Israel wrote:

Is it possible to expand a single thread without having to point the 
mouse to the tiny triangle (and without using the *Organize by 
thread* command)?


You can hit the right-arrow. If you hold down ⌥ then the entire 
thread is expanded. You can also use some of the message navigation 
shortcuts in the Message menu – these auto-expand threads.


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