Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
Hello, Is there any collection of articles that shows academic articles using matplotlib produced plots? I have come across a few recent articles in my field with plots produced by matplotlib. Though, the mpl page shows some nice examples of publication quality plots, it would be nice to have a discipline specific collection of academic paper citations/links (hopefully mostly open-access titles) to raise awareness of mpl usage in academia by attracting other language users. What do you think? I like that idea. Probably, a wiki page at github would be best for this? -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
I think that is a great idea. I think it is worthwhile to put a highlighted spot, or whatever, that shows matplotlib plots in academic publications. Additionally, it is good for enlarging the matplotlib user base to ask people to acknowledge matplotlib in their papers if they use matplotlib to make plots, and share links of their publications. Of course, matplotlib.orgshould provide some sort of platform for people to share that kind of information, such as a public email address. Such acknowledgement is not a hard thing to do, and I think most people, if not all, that benefit from matplotlib would be more than happy to do so. :-) Jianbao Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 22:31:34 -0600 From: G?khan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com Subject: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles To: matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: CAE5kuyh17jsDcaejwx= xekryyys9kf5zw9q7yigziaketio...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, Is there any collection of articles that shows academic articles using matplotlib produced plots? I have come across a few recent articles in my field with plots produced by matplotlib. Though, the mpl page shows some nice examples of publication quality plots, it would be nice to have a discipline specific collection of academic paper citations/links (hopefully mostly open-access titles) to raise awareness of mpl usage in academia by attracting other language users. What do you think? -- G?khan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
This is a great idea. Anything to raise the level of perceived legitimacy in the academic community would be great. We can definitely add content like this to the documentation and/or website. Mike On 10/05/2012 09:43 AM, Jianbao Tao wrote: I think that is a great idea. I think it is worthwhile to put a highlighted spot, or whatever, that shows matplotlib plots in academic publications. Additionally, it is good for enlarging the matplotlib user base to ask people to acknowledge matplotlib in their papers if they use matplotlib to make plots, and share links of their publications. Of course, matplotlib.org http://matplotlib.org should provide some sort of platform for people to share that kind of information, such as a public email address. Such acknowledgement is not a hard thing to do, and I think most people, if not all, that benefit from matplotlib would be more than happy to do so. :-) Jianbao Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 22:31:34 -0600 From: G?khan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com mailto:gokhanse...@gmail.com Subject: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles To: matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: CAE5kuyh17jsDcaejwx=xekryyys9kf5zw9q7yigziaketio...@mail.gmail.com mailto:xekryyys9kf5zw9q7yigziaketio...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, Is there any collection of articles that shows academic articles using matplotlib produced plots? I have come across a few recent articles in my field with plots produced by matplotlib. Though, the mpl page shows some nice examples of publication quality plots, it would be nice to have a discipline specific collection of academic paper citations/links (hopefully mostly open-access titles) to raise awareness of mpl usage in academia by attracting other language users. What do you think? -- G?khan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Michael Droettboom md...@stsci.edu wrote: This is a great idea. Anything to raise the level of perceived legitimacy in the academic community would be great. We can definitely add content like this to the documentation and/or website. Our strategy: - Prominent display on the main page of a citation request, along with links on our top nav-bar: http://ipython.org/#citing-ipython - A copy/paste ready citation entry: http://ipython.org/citing.html Matplotlib has a 'canonical' paper back in the same CISE issue that can be used, here's the bibtex entry for it (should probably be trimmed only to the main fields): @Article{Hunter:2007, Author = {Hunter, J. D.}, Title = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment}, Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering}, Volume = {9}, Number = {3}, Pages = {90--95}, abstract = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python for application development, interactive scripting, and publication-quality image generation across user interfaces and operating systems.}, address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS ALAMITOS, CA 90720-1314 USA}, bdsk-url-1 = {http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019}, date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, date-modified = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, isi= {000245668100019}, isi-recid = {155389429}, month = may # / # jun, publisher = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC}, year = 2007 } Cheers, f -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.comwrote: @Article{Hunter:2007, Author = {Hunter, J. D.}, Title = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment}, Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering}, Volume = {9}, Number = {3}, Pages = {90--95}, abstract = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python for application development, interactive scripting, and publication-quality image generation across user interfaces and operating systems.}, address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS ALAMITOS, CA 90720-1314 USA}, bdsk-url-1 = { http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019 }, date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, date-modified = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, isi= {000245668100019}, isi-recid = {155389429}, month = may # / # jun, publisher = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC}, year = 2007 } That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following the Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I have seen mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the plots in them are obviously produced by mpl. Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would go to mpl website? -- Gökhan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
That citation should be *much* more prominent on the matplotlib homepage. I regret to say that I was unaware of that paper I should have cited in my last paper which made heavy use of matplotlib generated plots with lots of customizations. Next time I'll be sure to include the proper citation! I think including a gallery of published examples would be great, however, there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright. It would be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it is), but getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website may require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place to start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full - Floris On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: @Article{Hunter:2007, Author = {Hunter, J. D.}, Title = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment}, Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering}, Volume = {9}, Number = {3}, Pages = {90--95}, abstract = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python for application development, interactive scripting, and publication-quality image generation across user interfaces and operating systems.}, address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS ALAMITOS, CA 90720-1314 USA}, bdsk-url-1 = { http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019 }, date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, date-modified = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, isi= {000245668100019}, isi-recid = {155389429}, month = may # / # jun, publisher = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC}, year = 2007 } That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following the Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I have seen mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the plots in them are obviously produced by mpl. Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would go to mpl website? -- Gökhan Short version: I think this is a good idea. Long version: I think a 'Who uses matplotlib?' section in the website would provide good solid academic backing, too. I know the Met Office (PHIL) and some of the guys in the PECOS group at ICES use it. Actual papers is great, but probably rather drab? I think if we want to show it off, we should include sample images from citations, rather than just citations. After all, how many people are going to chase a citation to see sample output when we have a gallery section? Better still would be to have an 'academic gallery' section. Perhaps this could be part of the gallery re-work someone was going to do (was it Tony? I forget). I don't know. I think the idea is good, but I think there needs to be some thought and consensus regarding the *best* way to get people to *visually* judge matplotlib's capabilities in the academic realm. This is just my two. -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Floris van Breugel PhD Candidate at Caltech Control and Dynamical Systems (925) 963 8280 Wildlife and Landscape Photographer Galleries: http://www.ArtInNaturePhotography.com/ Blog: http://www.ArtInNaturePhotography.com/wordpress/ -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
I think including a gallery of published examples would be great, however, there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright. It would be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it is), but getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website may require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place to start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full I just came back from a bioinformatics workshop: I was suprised by the amound of people using matplotlib to display results. I think it wouldn't be too hard to gather images and published them on matplotlib's website if the authors are OK with it. Also, in cancer research, publications and/or plots are often available publicly. I don't think citations would be as efficient: I personnally wouldn't bother looking at those. Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of their plotting library in research: http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/ Cheers, N - Floris On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: @Article{Hunter:2007, Author = {Hunter, J. D.}, Title = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment}, Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering}, Volume = {9}, Number = {3}, Pages = {90--95}, abstract = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python for application development, interactive scripting, and publication-quality image generation across user interfaces and operating systems.}, address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS ALAMITOS, CA 90720-1314 USA}, bdsk-url-1 = { http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019 }, date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, date-modified = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, isi= {000245668100019}, isi-recid = {155389429}, month = may # / # jun, publisher = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC}, year = 2007 } That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following the Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I have seen mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the plots in them are obviously produced by mpl. Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would go to mpl website? -- Gökhan Short version: I think this is a good idea. Long version: I think a 'Who uses matplotlib?' section in the website would provide good solid academic backing, too. I know the Met Office (PHIL) and some of the guys in the PECOS group at ICES use it. Actual papers is great, but probably rather drab? I think if we want to show it off, we should include sample images from citations, rather than just citations. After all, how many people are going to chase a citation to see sample output when we have a gallery section? Better still would be to have an 'academic gallery' section. Perhaps this could be part of the gallery re-work someone was going to do (was it Tony? I forget). I don't know. I think the idea is good, but I think there needs to be some thought and consensus regarding the *best* way to get people to *visually* judge matplotlib's capabilities in the academic realm. This is just my two. -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Floris van Breugel PhD Candidate at Caltech Control and Dynamical Systems (925) 963 8280 Wildlife and Landscape Photographer Galleries: http://www.ArtInNaturePhotography.com/ Blog: http://www.ArtInNaturePhotography.com/wordpress/ -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python,
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
The idea of pulling key (and sexy) figures from papers is an awesome idea. I know when I am trying to make figures, I often search around looking at the different styles that people use to present similar data. There is also something different about publication level plots than the simple examples that MPL has on the gallery page now. Sure some of them are neat, but more importantly, they show you how to do something. Pulling figures from papers show you how to convey information and look good doing it. I'll certainly cite MPL and ipython as I have used those a lot to both develop and present my results. Sadly, most of us in astronomy are still using IDL for all of the figure making. Steven On Fri 05 Oct 2012 12:45:30 PM CDT, Nelle Varoquaux wrote: I think including a gallery of published examples would be great, however, there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright. It would be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it is), but getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website may require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place to start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full I just came back from a bioinformatics workshop: I was suprised by the amound of people using matplotlib to display results. I think it wouldn't be too hard to gather images and published them on matplotlib's website if the authors are OK with it. Also, in cancer research, publications and/or plots are often available publicly. I don't think citations would be as efficient: I personnally wouldn't bother looking at those. Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of their plotting library in research: http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/ Cheers, N - Floris On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com mailto:damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com mailto:gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com mailto:fperez@gmail.com wrote: @Article{Hunter:2007, Author = {Hunter, J. D.}, Title = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment}, Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering}, Volume = {9}, Number = {3}, Pages = {90--95}, abstract = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python for application development, interactive scripting, and publication-quality image generation across user interfaces and operating systems.}, address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014 tel:3014, LOS ALAMITOS, CA 90720-1314 USA}, bdsk-url-1 = {http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019}, date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, date-modified = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, isi= {000245668100019}, isi-recid = {155389429}, month = may # / # jun, publisher = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC}, year = 2007 } That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following the Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I have seen mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the plots in them are obviously produced by mpl. Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would go to mpl website? -- Gökhan Short version: I think this is a good idea. Long version: I think a 'Who uses matplotlib?' section in the website would provide good solid academic backing, too. I know the Met Office (PHIL) and some of the guys in the PECOS group at ICES use it. Actual papers is great, but probably rather drab? I think if we want to show it off, we should include sample images from citations, rather than just citations. After all, how many people are going to chase a citation to see sample output when we have a gallery section? Better still would be to have an 'academic gallery' section. Perhaps this could be part of the gallery re-work someone was
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
The problem is with many journals the content (including figures) is copyright by the journal, not the author. But I imagine most journals would grant permission, it's just an additional step that should be taken where required. The circos layout looks nice! - Floris On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Nelle Varoquaux nelle.varoqu...@gmail.comwrote: I think including a gallery of published examples would be great, however, there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright. It would be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it is), but getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website may require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place to start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full I just came back from a bioinformatics workshop: I was suprised by the amound of people using matplotlib to display results. I think it wouldn't be too hard to gather images and published them on matplotlib's website if the authors are OK with it. Also, in cancer research, publications and/or plots are often available publicly. I don't think citations would be as efficient: I personnally wouldn't bother looking at those. Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of their plotting library in research: http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/ Cheers, N - Floris On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: @Article{Hunter:2007, Author = {Hunter, J. D.}, Title = {Matplotlib: A 2D graphics environment}, Journal= {Computing In Science \ Engineering}, Volume = {9}, Number = {3}, Pages = {90--95}, abstract = {Matplotlib is a 2D graphics package used for Python for application development, interactive scripting, and publication-quality image generation across user interfaces and operating systems.}, address= {10662 LOS VAQUEROS CIRCLE, PO BOX 3014, LOS ALAMITOS, CA 90720-1314 USA}, bdsk-url-1 = { http://gateway.isiknowledge.com/gateway/Gateway.cgi?GWVersion=2SrcAuth=AlertingSrcApp=AlertingDestApp=WOSDestLinkType=FullRecord;KeyUT=000245668100019 }, date-added = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, date-modified = {2010-09-23 12:22:10 -0700}, isi= {000245668100019}, isi-recid = {155389429}, month = may # / # jun, publisher = {IEEE COMPUTER SOC}, year = 2007 } That wos link is useful, however I see only a paper listed following the Time Cited link in the atmospheric science field. A few papers I have seen mentions mpl in acknowledgement section, but some not, though the plots in them are obviously produced by mpl. Should we list some articles here, as a base for a section that would go to mpl website? -- Gökhan Short version: I think this is a good idea. Long version: I think a 'Who uses matplotlib?' section in the website would provide good solid academic backing, too. I know the Met Office (PHIL) and some of the guys in the PECOS group at ICES use it. Actual papers is great, but probably rather drab? I think if we want to show it off, we should include sample images from citations, rather than just citations. After all, how many people are going to chase a citation to see sample output when we have a gallery section? Better still would be to have an 'academic gallery' section. Perhaps this could be part of the gallery re-work someone was going to do (was it Tony? I forget). I don't know. I think the idea is good, but I think there needs to be some thought and consensus regarding the *best* way to get people to *visually* judge matplotlib's capabilities in the academic realm. This is just my two. -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Floris van Breugel PhD Candidate at Caltech Control and Dynamical Systems (925) 963 8280 Wildlife and Landscape Photographer
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Nelle Varoquaux nelle.varoqu...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of their plotting library in research: http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/ Wow, that is one hell of a visually spiffy site. Can't find any links to development repositories, but in terms of targeting end users, the author (because it looks like a single-person job, given the many I references) has done a solid job. Sites like this remind me that we really should put a bit more effort into the 'marketing' aspect of our sites. From what I can tell, circos is very nice but has nowhere the technical depth, complexity and flexibility of matplotlib. It's a fairly narrowly targeted tool. But a site like that makes it really appealing to people. Thanks for that link, Nelle! Cheers, f -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Nelle Varoquaux nelle.varoqu...@gmail.comwrote: I think including a gallery of published examples would be great, however, there will be some serious challenges with regards to copyright. It would be great to show MPL being used in high impact journals (which it is), but getting permission from them to show the plots on the MPL website may require some paperwork. So, a list of citations might be a good place to start. Here's mine: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/215/11/1783.full I just came back from a bioinformatics workshop: I was suprised by the amound of people using matplotlib to display results. I think it wouldn't be too hard to gather images and published them on matplotlib's website if the authors are OK with it. Also, in cancer research, publications and/or plots are often available publicly. I don't think citations would be as efficient: I personnally wouldn't bother looking at those. Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of their plotting library in research: http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/ Cheers, N I think citation based discipline specific listing would make a good simple start. For instance: Atmospheric Science: Article 1 citation [link1] Article 2 citation [link2] Bioinformatics: Article 1 citation [link1] Article 2 citation [link2] etc... Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. Later, we can work on a more specific academic gallery page, once citation gallery grows to a critical limit. -- Gökhan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Nelle Varoquaux nelle.varoqu...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an example on circos' website of how they advertise the use of their plotting library in research: http://circos.ca/intro/published_images/ Wow, that is one hell of a visually spiffy site. Can't find any links to development repositories, but in terms of targeting end users, the author (because it looks like a single-person job, given the many I references) has done a solid job. Sites like this remind me that we really should put a bit more effort into the 'marketing' aspect of our sites. From what I can tell, circos is very nice but has nowhere the technical depth, complexity and flexibility of matplotlib. It's a fairly narrowly targeted tool. But a site like that makes it really appealing to people. Thanks for that link, Nelle! Yes, that site was *full* of eye-candy. It's maybe a bit over the top, but it's certainly a good reference. -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: It's maybe a bit over the top, but it's certainly a good reference. I agree, a bit too rich for my taste too. But our sites tend to be the opposite extreme, so it's a good data point to keep in mind. Cheers, f -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. Am I wrong in thinking that journals copyright the final product? Thus, it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether or not to 'donate' a figure for a gallery. provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. Yes.. this is indeed a problem.. perhaps there could be a list of citations specifically to open journal articles (many journals make papers public after some period of time), in addition to ones that are only available with a subscription. After all, many of those looking to use matplotlib in a scientific publication are usually at an institution with access. That way people who don't have access don't have to waste time finding links that work for them. Am I wrong in thinking that journals copyright the final product? Thus, it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether or not to 'donate' a figure for a gallery. Many journals copyright the final product, so an author could only 'donate' a figure to the gallery if they had written permission from the journal that published their paper. Lame, I know. Similarly, if someone wishes to reproduce a figure for news coverage or a review article, they need permission from the journal, not the author. - Floris provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Floris van Breugel PhD Candidate at Caltech Control and Dynamical Systems (925) 963 8280 Wildlife and Landscape Photographer Galleries: http://www.ArtInNaturePhotography.com/ Blog: http://www.ArtInNaturePhotography.com/wordpress/ -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On 5 October 2012 21:23, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. Am I wrong in thinking that journals copyright the final product? Thus, it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether or not to 'donate' a figure for a gallery. I think it depends on the journal, and on the agreement. I think in most journals you/your institute can pay to have your paper publicly available. I wouldn't be shocked if a requirement to be in the gallery would be to donate a figure. provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. I was just showing an example of a gallery of published figures. It is much easier to go through a gallery, to quickly see what a library is capable of, than clicking on links to articles, that may often be of closed access. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
For example, in astronomy, a lot of people will 'publish' their paper to Arxiv before it is accepted into a journal. Arxiv is accessible by the general public and a little digging around will reveal that you can download the actual Latex source for the paper. This includes all of the figures. I have never heard of anyone getting sued by a journal for posting their stuff on the arxiv. Steven On Fri 05 Oct 2012 02:42:06 PM CDT, Nelle Varoquaux wrote: On 5 October 2012 21:23, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com mailto:damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com mailto:gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. Am I wrong in thinking that journals copyright the final product? Thus, it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether or not to 'donate' a figure for a gallery. I think it depends on the journal, and on the agreement. I think in most journals you/your institute can pay to have your paper publicly available. I wouldn't be shocked if a requirement to be in the gallery would be to donate a figure. provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. I was just showing an example of a gallery of published figures. It is much easier to go through a gallery, to quickly see what a library is capable of, than clicking on links to articles, that may often be of closed access. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Steven Boada Dept. Physics and Astronomy Texas AM University bo...@physics.tamu.edu -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. I was only thinking open-access journals, which open-source users (i.e. users of python tools) tend to publish their articles in open-journals. Of course, there are subscription required articles but those are secondary concerns. Sometimes authors make their articles publicly available even the article is on a paid journal. provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? Citation listing is easier for me, we can go both ways, a page listing only citations, another one a more experimental figure/citation if copyright issues can be resolved easily. In anyways, we will have to gather citations. Let's start doing that? -- Gökhan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
2012/10/5 Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. I was only thinking open-access journals, which open-source users (i.e. users of python tools) tend to publish their articles in open-journals. Of course, there are subscription required articles but those are secondary concerns. Sometimes authors make their articles publicly available even the article is on a paid journal. provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? Citation listing is easier for me, we can go both ways, a page listing only citations, another one a more experimental figure/citation if copyright issues can be resolved easily. In anyways, we will have to gather citations. Let's start doing that? I think that an official acknowledgment that people can copy and paste (and adapt) in their paper would be a great idea. Francesco -- Gökhan -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Francesco Montesano franz.berges...@gmail.com wrote: I think that an official acknowledgment that people can copy and paste (and adapt) in their paper would be a great idea. Francesco Some open-access journals permit this: See for instance (also an example of a title that has all mpl produced figures): Dawe, J. T. and Austin, P. H.: Statistical analysis of an LES shallow cumulus cloud ensemble using a cloud tracking algorithm, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 12, 1101-1119, doi:10.5194/acp-12-1101-2012, 2012, http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/1101/2012/acp-12-1101-2012.html -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Damon McDougall damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Gökhan Sever gokhanse...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing mpl produced plots would be only 1 or 2 clicks away, plus this would This is not true. A lot of articles are unavailable to certain institutions due to a lack of subscription. A major sticking point. I was only thinking open-access journals, which open-source users (i.e. users of python tools) tend to publish their articles in open-journals. Of course, there are subscription required articles but those are secondary concerns. Sometimes authors make their articles publicly available even the article is on a paid journal. That's a good idea. Steven Boada's comment re: the arxiv is also a good one. This looks workable :) provide context to the use of plots rather that extracting figures and putting them separately (dealing with copyright issues and such) on an alternative gallery page. The figures you linked look shinny but not much practical use in my field. Point taken on the context argument. I'll take that. To resolve it, make the figure/html image link to the underlying publication? Citation listing is easier for me, we can go both ways, a page listing only citations, another one a more experimental figure/citation if copyright issues can be resolved easily. In anyways, we will have to gather citations. Let's start doing that? Sounds good to me. Thanks for all the input. -- Damon McDougall http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com B2.39 Mathematics Institute University of Warwick Coventry West Midlands CV4 7AL United Kingdom -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] Matplotlib produced plots in academic journal articles
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Phil Austin mkpaus...@gmail.com wrote: Nice to see our matplotlib acknowledgement generating ripples. We've also got some mayavi animations and links to other matplotlib-plotted papers and posters at http://cafc.ubc.ca best, Phil Nice visuals Phil. Thanks for making your articles easily accessible from your page. In addition to your papers here are a couple more atmospheric science related open-access articles that uses matplotlib for figures: Mallet, V., Quélo, D., Sportisse, B., Ahmed de Biasi, M., Debry, É., Korsakissok, I., Wu, L., Roustan, Y., Sartelet, K., Tombette, M., and Foudhil, H.: Technical Note: The air quality modeling system Polyphemus, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 7, 5479-5487, doi:10.5194/acp-7-5479-2007, 2007. http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/7/5479/2007/acp-7-5479-2007.html Batenburg, A. M., Walter, S., Pieterse, G., Levin, I., Schmidt, M., Jordan, A., Hammer, S., Yver, C., and Röckmann, T.: Temporal and spatial variability of the stable isotopic composition of atmospheric molecular hydrogen: observations at six EUROHYDROS stations, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 11, 6985-6999, doi:10.5194/acp-11-6985-2011, 2011. http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/6985/2011/acp-11-6985-2011.html Jones, C. R., Bretherton, C. S., and Leon, D.: Coupled vs. decoupled boundary layers in VOCALS-REx, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 11, 7143-7153, doi:10.5194/acp-11-7143-2011, 2011. http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/7143/2011/acp-11-7143-2011.html (All except the first plot is produced by matplotlib) Ungermann, J., Kalicinsky, C., Olschewski, F., Knieling, P., Hoffmann, L., Blank, J., Woiwode, W., Oelhaf, H., Hösen, E., Volk, C. M., Ulanovsky, A., Ravegnani, F., Weigel, K., Stroh, F., and Riese, M.: CRISTA-NF measurements with unprecedented vertical resolution during the RECONCILE aircraft campaign, Atmos. Meas. Tech., 5, 1173-1191, doi:10.5194/amt-5-1173-2012, 2012. http://www.atmos-meas-tech.net/5/1173/2012/amt-5-1173-2012.html Rautenhaus, M., Bauer, G., and Dörnbrack, A.: A web service based tool to plan atmospheric research flights, Geosci. Model Dev., 5, 55-71, doi:10.5194/gmd-5-55-2012, 2012. http://www.geosci-model-dev.net/5/55/2012/gmd-5-55-2012.html -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users