Re: MD: Opinion -- Favorite discs
I cannot say much for TDK. I have had consistent low quality problems with their media in the past, so I tend to avoid their media now. Did you have problems with recording or mechanical problems (shutter, flimsy case or sth.) ? I'm using both the colored blanks and the normal XG ones, and didn't have any problems so far. If there's anything I should know, please tell me. I think the colored ones have very nice colors. Alexander -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
In a message dated 7/23/99 11:37:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, though... the other day, I found a copy of the Kraftwerk album Ralf and Florian in CD format in a friend's collection. I listened to it. It sounded *exactly* the same as the copy I had in vinyl. Why? Because the CD was mastered from the original vinyl recording. This is interesting. Do you have any information regarding why this was done? Did they do it specifically to get the "vinyl sound," or was the original master tape lost or somehow destroyed? Clay Voris [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
Andrew Hobgood schrieb: You never "lose" the warmth of a recording when going to CD, you merely never have that warmth introduced into the recording at all. I suppose that folks could design a filter to simulate a vinyl mastering, and apply it prior to the pressing of the CD, and everyone would have the same "warmth" on CD that's so loved by vinylphiles. I remember an old device called "Analogizer". With this device it was told that the CD sound got as" warmth" as it was from vinyl. What did this device do with the music signal? It simply added special harmonic _distortions_ Ralf - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Off Topic Song Request
I know this is off topic, but I am looking for the song that has the chorus "Do you wanna die". If anyone remembers what band sang this song I would really appreciate it. Justin - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Can consumer CD audio players read CD-R and CD-RW discs
Although this is a very subjective test, I was staggered [given the number of peeps CD players which wont read CD-R discs] to find my CD player (about eight years old) happily recognised a single 70min or so track on a data only CD-R which it played as white noise. I then copied a standard music CD onto CD-R (cyan coloured media from Verbatim) to see if it was a fluke but my 8 years old CD player happily reads CD-R recorded discs. No problem whatsoever. What gives? My CD player is eight years old but it happily reads cyan (blue-green) CD-R audio discs and I can copy a recording from such a disc throught its optical output to MD. Then again it reads discs that most other decks jump like hell with so perhaps I was lucky with my chosen Aiwa XC-900 CD player. I had been led to believe the laser power may be inadequate due to CD-R lower reflectivity, and that while CD-RW may be okay-- I'd be unlikely to find my old CD player worked faultlessly with a cyan CD-R. Why then does this eight year old unit perform fine with cyan CD-R, including copying thro' the optical interface from the CD-R to MD? Are some CD players just c**p these days? Cheers, PrinceGaz - Feeling very pleased his CD player bought 5 yrs before any thought of digital copying had an optical out that works properly, and is able to read CD-R discs without any problem. Go Aiwa, go. All hail the Aiwa XC-900, unit of the future. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Feel the power
My neighbours next door have workmen in and doing "serious structural alterations". The noise level from them is high and I have taken this chance to crank uip my 100W RMS/channel amp, with my meter across my 8 ohm speakers to see what gives. I have also placed a digital thermometer probe 'tween the amp and equaliser to check the air temp. It just cut out with an air temp of 55C (the amp), I'll get a fan and crank it back up. No kidding, as I was typing my amp clicked out (a thermal trip I believe) and I've been listening pretty damn loud for an hour or two. I was running at a reading of around 8V RMS average across an 8ohm load (which is 8 watts) though transients were rather higher. About 12V which would be roughly 18 Watts. I couldn't believe it, it cut out for about ten seconds as I wrote the above, but I have brought a powerful fan in to blow air above and under the amp. Whilst I can't say what the temperature is inside the unit, the outside temperature just above is only four or five degC above room temp, rather than some 30degC. Sorry that cut out distracted me, and caught me by suprise despite my steadily cranking up the volume levels. My amp is running at the same level as before and the air temp above is 31C and falling, rather than 55C. It also gives a serious blast underneath as it is a 10-12inch box-fan close in front of the amp. Anyway, I was wondering if connecting a (digital) meter in AC volts mode gives a usable guide to average audio levels across a speaker? Either way, running that fan for just 15mins seems to have cooled my amp to near room temp *whilst playing at high volume still*. I think I'll keep it there if a deafening session need arises again (ie. the workmen return again). It's rated at 100W RMS/channel but can never achieve it due to cutting out. Oh bugger, the workmen next door are back-- now I'll see if the fan can really cool my amps' circuitry. "Prepare to engage at Warp 9.8, let's hope Geordi LaForge's plasma cooling system holds". They haven't started banging on the wall *too* hard yet, but I'm pretty sure they will :-) And those of you out there who think I'm a sad sci-fi freak, I would say, errm, well so what if I am? Cheers, PrinceGaz - sad sci-fi freak. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Compression on Radio
Wouldn't this be dangerous in driving situations? If "white noise" is introduced to eliminate the road noise, to get purer sound from the stereo I don't think "white noise" is introduced to eliminate road noise. What Mark was trying to say is that there would be a microphone which measures the level of background noise (due to the road,engine,...etc) and then increases the freq. range of your music which has been masked by this white noise. If there are designs currently under way, I would assume that one of the definitions of "background noise" is that it's relatively stationary time wise. i.e. doesn't change much over a long time period. (such as road noise, engine noise, ..etc) Sirens from police vehicles change quite rapidly and would not qualify as background noise (to the system) and the music would not be affected. It's probably somewhat similar to noise cancelling headphones, you try to cancel out the background noise, but it won't cancel out someones voice. Well actually there are devices that are presently being designed and may already exist that alter the music "volume" when being played in noisy environments. However they operate by increasing the parts of the spectrum which are most degraded by the ambient noise. For example engine and road noises will typically be low frequencies and hence will mask out the lower frequencies of the music. Naturally one can just increase the base to correct this effect slightly, but an adaptive system which constantly measures the ambient noise and then increases the spectral magnitude with respect to psychoacoustic principles may lead to non perceivable ambient noise Well Maybe. - W. Zhang Speech and Information Processing Lab, University of Waterloo 519-884-4567x3138/x5228, DC3732 --- Quote of the Day: The difference between an amateur and a professional in the computer business is the number of backups they make. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: PC program that passes track marks optically to MD
Hey i just got my hoontech Digital I/O card and it doesn't pass the TMARKS thru it... before when i recording in analog thru my sound card it passed TMARKS but now it doesn't. weird anyways if u find anything that does please inform me :) i'm having fun here sitting recording songs off my computer and pressing stop after the track ends and going on to record another track like that. Wallace - Original Message - From: Sciamano Nerazzurro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: MD: PC program that passes track marks optically to MD It's probably been asked a thousand times but... anyone knows of any PC program, able to play CDs, MP3 and other sound files AND to send track marks to the MD recorder via the optical cable? Thanks Luca Somazzi Sciamano nerazzurro http://come.to/sciamano/ "Put the hands on your monitor and feel the power!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Bundle 5 pricing and config
Just saw Bundle 5 on sale at Frys in Anaheim for $229. That for a JE320 and E40 portable player. I don't know if this price is usual these days, but it blew my mind. Too bad I have 7 minidisc players/recorders already. Also, the some Bundle 5 boxes that were labled as having the EP-11 substituted for the E40 as an improvement at no extra cost. This is very cool, as the EP-11 is a great portable compared with the E40. Not all the boxes had it, so if you are in the market for a bundle, look for the upgrade. Regards, Leland - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MD Trading Post?
Does anyone know what is going on over at the Trading Post? http://www.webfeat-inc.com/minidisc/ The site was usually upated about every week with new entrys and it has almost been a month now since it was updated! This has been a great source for info and I hope it is not just been dropped. -- Tim *** Do you trade MiniDiscs? *** Check out MY list at http://www.concordnc.com/kissfan/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Neato labels
Hi all, I have been reading some of your comments about Neato MD labels and I have a couple of questions. First, how well do the labels stick to brands of MD other than Sony that don't have the right size depression for the label on the surface of the disk, like TDK, or have an uneven surface, like Maxell? Most of my MDs are TDK and Maxell with only a handful of other brands. Second, how hard are they to remove, in case you re-record or add tracks to an MD? Also, are there any problems keeping the labels aligned in the printer, especially with the narrow little spine label? I would be using an HP inkjet printer for printing. Any comments / suggestions welcome. Thanks! Clay Voris [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Avery labels
Da: John S. McLachlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know which Avery labels are the best for MDs? Once you go http://www.neato.com you'll never go back! So tell me about these neato labels. What size sheet do they come on? If the sheet is only a little larger than the labels themselves, they won't go through any printer I've seen... I have never bought them, but Neato labels come both in A4 and US legal format sheets. Luca Somazzi Sciamano nerazzurro http://come.to/sciamano/ "Put the hands on your monitor and feel the power!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Off Topic Song Request
Gee, you have got to give us a little more to go on then that. Those words sound like something that is in just about every punk/grunge song I have ever heard G. Couldn't you have made it a little easier. Like, "Who wants to live for ever?" -Queen, from the Highlander sound track. Do you have a time frame as to when the song came out?? Have a good one. LAS Justin Shepard wrote: I know this is off topic, but I am looking for the song that has the chorus "Do you wanna die". If anyone remembers what band sang this song I would really appreciate it. Justin - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: type-R ATRAC DSP
Hello. I have seen that the new SONY decks use this new DSP called Type-R the JE530 does, e.g. Has anyone LISTENED to a MD recorded with such a DSP? How does it sound? Sony official press release tells us it is much more "euphonic", whatever it means. There is an intelligent (sic!) algorithm that allocates bits much better, thanks to the computing power of the new chip. But how does it sounds? Does it use ATRAC 4.5 or higher? Are them better/worse than plain old ATRAC 4.5-based decks? waiting 4 news, happy weekend! /Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 17247474 PGP pubkey available. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Neato.com
John S. McLachlan wrote: Does anyone know which Avery labels are the best for MDs? Once you go http://www.neato.com you'll never go back! So tell me about these neato labels. Ok What size sheet do they come on? 8 1/2 x 11 and they are designed for sony mini's but I still use the labels on all my MD's If the sheet is only a little larger than the labels themselves, they won't go through any printer I've seen... No problem Sir, they will fit fine in your printer. There are enough to do 4 MD's on each sheet( spine, front of disc and back of disc case ). To hell with this measure and cut crap with avery. I just load the images and wording on the templates ( that are provided in their program called "Media Face" ) and let er rip! I love the program! The Best Buy store close to me is now selling the Sony color MD's in an 8 pack with the case for $19.99. They are designed for sony although I use them on all my MD's. Check it out, it is worth your time. p.s. sorry all you label trimmers! :-) Tim *** Do you trade MiniDiscs? *** Check out MY list at http://www.concordnc.com/kissfan/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
This is interesting. Do you have any information regarding why this was done? Did they do it specifically to get the "vinyl sound," or was the original master tape lost or somehow destroyed? Capitol Records never released the first 3 Kraftwerk albums on CD, just because they were too old (early 1970's). /Andrew - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Off Topic Song Request
I know this is off topic, but I am looking for the song that has the chorus "Do you wanna die". If anyone remembers what band sang this song I would really appreciate it. "Possum Kingdom" by the Toadies has this line in it.Look familiar?: "Make up your mind Decide to walk with me Around the lake tonight Around the lake tonight By my side By my side I'm not gonna lie I'll not be a gentleman Behind the boathouse I'll show you my dark secret I'm not gonna lie I want you for mine My blushing bride My lover, be my lover, yeah... Don't be afraid I didn't mean to scare you So help me, Jesus I can promise you You'll stay as beautiful With dark hair And soft skin...forever Forever Make up your mind Make up your mind And I'll promise you I will treat you well My sweet angel So help me, Jesus (hey, hey, hey) Give it up to me Give it up to me Do you wanna be My angel? So help me! Be my angel Be my angel Do you wanna die? I promise you I will treat you well My sweet angel So help me, Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus..." NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
Finally, judging from my youngest daughter, prerecorded MDs are going to have to have all of the "packaging" and art work that comes with a CD. I keep telling my daughter not to buy so many CDs. Split them with her friends and I'll "burn" copies for her. Nice to know that the parents of America are teaching their children good values in terms of piracy. snicker Seriously, though, I find collecting CD's to be a very fufilling endeavor... sure, it's expensive, but there's nothing cooler than to find some out-of print or import single of a favorite group, showing it off to all of my friends, and having them envy the fact that I own a full copy, with the cover art, liner notes, lyrics, etc. You can't get that same feeling of ownership with a CD-R disc. But to them the original art work and what ever "literature" comes with the CD seems to be necessary. See above... I find that the art work and literature are very, very important to the personal value of owning a piece of music. It's kinda' like telling a person who listens to classical music to see their favorite symphony orchestra in a acousitcally perfect venue that's got all kinds of technological wizardry and modern architecture. Sure, the sound will be the same or better, but the experience isn't as rich as it'd be to see them at some large, grand concert hall, such as Lincoln Center. Removing the bits and pieces that surround the music somehow cheapens the experience. /Andrew -- "who's going with his arrow this way too, and doesn't know why he's doing it at all..." - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: New lower price for Sharp 702 at Shopping.com
From: Eric Woudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a reader: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't know if this is the correct address to send this, but Shopping.com has lowered the price for the Sharp 702 Minidisc. They were selling it for $200, with a $50 rebate from Sharp (bringing the price to $150). Well, Shopping.com is now selling the unit for $180, and with the rebate, the final price is now $130. For a portable player/recorder, this is phenomenal. Looks like its time to buy a minidisc. Only if you want the Sharp UTOC problems in a few months, unless of course it's the "fixed" version which only a "few" people have had UTOC problems with. Now how many Sony portables have a reputation of giving UTOC errors. One? Two? All of them? To my knowledge, *NONE* ! Cheers, PrinceGaz - "People in glass houses shouldn't spin a cat!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
""Actually, it's not. Film is actually "digital" in nature. A movie that you see in the theater is a "sample" of the scene taken every 1/30 (or 1/24, depending on format and media) of a second. This is no different than sampling a sound pressure every 1/44100 of a second. Still, you don't hear folks coming out of the woodwork saying that they're only going to go to see plays because movies don't reproduce the full quality of the work. That's because designers, after trying 10 frames per second (back with Charlie Chaplin and such) found that 30 frames per second was enough to fool the human eye into believing that it was seeing an accurate reproduction of reality"". Film isn't digital. Digital refers to the use of ones and zeros to store information. Don't confuse sampling with digital storage of the samples. Film is a means of storing images in a manner that our eyes can detect without the aid of any type of converter. By the same token, I suppose that it was wrong of me to equate video with digital. But video does not store information as different colors and shades and scales of gray. That was the point I was trying to make. Perhaps it would be best to keep sound and sight separate all together. Because I can't think of any way to store sound so that it can be heard with out some sort of converter. While sight can be stored on film and readily seen by the eye with out the need for any type of converter. As for as motion pictures go, the number of frames needed to produce flicker free movies is simply a factor of the biological characteristic of persistence of vision. G'day, LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Additional cooling
I have been using cooling fans on my AMP due to Heat as well. I purchased two 12 volt fans from an electronics suplus store. The fans are noisy when mounted flush with the top of the grill on top of the amp. I used q-tip heads to raise the fans about 5 mm in order to reduce the noise. The fans turn on when the Stereo comes on. They are powered by my equalizer's 120output. I used a 120 to 12 v DC transformer to bring the voltage down. I am surprised that most amps do not have fans. I guess the manufacturers are more interested in cutting costs. The fans definately help. I had thermal problems in Texas because the amp was on the sunny side of my house. The fans resolved the thermal problem by moving the heat away. ___ Linus Peter Sweers Toslink Receivers and Transmitters at http://members.xoom.com/sweers/toslink/index.html ___ On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:54:13 +0100 "PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings, One summer at work, I habitually had a desktop fan set to blow air throught the cooling slots of my 17" monitor, and as a result, in ran far cooler than normal. I don't know if doing so was beneficial, or ___ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Cheap optical Input
Hey guys, i just recevied my Hoontech SB Digital Bracket II from VOTRON ELECTRONICS... ( www.votronelectronics.com ) and i must say this thing is very nice! i just hooked it up with the cable they supplied and that was it... plugged in my TOSLINK cable to the digital out and hooked it up to my MD and i got digital recording! I must say they are excellent to deal with, i got very fast e-mail responses and they were very informative about shipping, prices, and information on anything.. you can order off of their page with either FAX or E-MAIL... i ordered on tuesday night and the processed my order the next day and i got it today :) so it took about 3 days to get it... not bad.. and shipping is cheap :) if you're looking for a cheap digital i/o for SBLIVE or SBLIVE VALUE then this is the thing for you! Wallace Thanks for the note Robin, I'm forwarding it to the MD mailing list. -Rick I often see requests on the newsgroups for a cheap way of getting optical s/pdif in and out of a PC. If you look at http://www.hoontech.com and read up on their stuff and then order at http://digitalaudio.co.kr/english/shopping/shopping.htm you can pick up a 'soundtrack Digital (optical) I/O board II' for your SB Live! or SB Live! Value for $19 or the whole kit caboodle based on Yamaha's XG chip with the corresponding digital i/o for $60. Seems pretty good value to me although I haven't tried them. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Purchasing microphone, soliciting advice
For some reason I didn't get the digest with Chris' message in it, but I got the following digest with Jim Coon's response to it. So I've searched it out in the archive's. I appreciated Jim's advice wrt his plans for his microphone, but I've looked at those plans a few times and they are beyond my level of competency I'm afraid. Cristopher T. Carfagno wrote: Paul McCombs wrote: about microphones reading this list. I'm considering buying the following mic, for use with recording my friends and I as we make noise on to a 4 track tape recorder. I'm considering it due to it's price (cheap) and a couple of friends of mine think it's suitable to our needs. I'd also like to use it with my mini disc recorder (old Kenwood, http://www.musiciansfriend.com/cgi-bin/shop.dll/9906251913199181167224-m3eW112bLR?pid=270210 This particular mic has a very limited frequency response, so it might not be ideal for your situation. It is better suited for vocals, not instruments, IMHO. ... Unfortunately, mics that sound really good cost a few more $$... What I'd really like is something that can be used for vocals as well pull double duty on occasion to record instruments. I understand that I could easily spend several hundred dollars on such a mike, but how much could a guy get away with on the lower end? What would be the way to hook it up to the MD recorder? You will need an adapter cable to go from XLR female to a mini phone plug. I haven't seen a cable of that type in anybody's catalog, perhaps I don't know where to look. Does anyone have any suggestions. I didn't see anything on the Sound Professionals site. (or any other that I've looked at for that matter.) The best I've been able to come up with so far is XLR to 1/4" to 1/8" with at least one gender bender in there. Thanks for the advice. --- Paul McCombs --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.seanet.com/~pablo/ --- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701, is it starting to fail? -SonyR50
I think you will one day regret having made this statement - sooner or later something you have taken so much care of WILL fail on you. I am an electronics technician by trade and I can assure you that every one of my 'toys' are treated with kid gloves and TLC. Also I do not 'mess around under the hood' with them This has not had the slightest effect on my failed MZ-R2, JA3ES and TRV900 DV cam - they have all been to the Sony repair shop for some pretty serious problems, all less than 18 mths old. Not to mention my Sony 17" monitor that needed a new tube after 15 mths use. Ironically, the only bit of recent kit that hasn't failed on me is my Sharp 701 - now I would guess that I will be reporting UTOC errors in the next few days:-) So, whilst I agree that you should take great care with all this delicate electronics stuff, it is not always a guarantee that all will be well. GB But that will teach you not to be careful. As human as we all may be, you still need to take care of your stuff. And yes, it is possible ... just take a look at my track record. All my devices love me back because I don't have accidents with them 3#-) Adios, LarZ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD/MD Audio
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Well guys, you got me there. I really love my MDs, and I play them in my car whenever I can. But I also have CD ROM burner on the PC, and CD Changers in both my car and van. So, I really don't have a good reason, except little sense that I bought the Pioneer on a whim and thought it could be a great item to link to my minidisc player and transfer the data to CD. No, I don't use optical on the PC's burner.. yes I do have the new SB Live. I know, I know. grins Primarily the reason I have the MD recorders is to record the concerts in my area. So, I save the recorder's life span by transferring the audio to the PC for editing, or to CD for a duplicate master. Looks like I should'a not bought the Pioneer Audio CDR. So I guess its gonna be a big paperweight until prices on the CDDA drop to where they're more in line with the CDR media. Thanks for the all replies guys. Mark Simon Gardner wrote: I can't help but ask why you felt the need to record audio CDs if you're already into MD as your being part of this list suggests? I was kind of wondering that too - I don't know what MD and CDR prices are like there, but in the UK with Hi-Space MDs at between 1 pound and 1.50, it's virtually no saving in recording them onto CDR (assuming that you're using good CDRs that'll work in virtually all players) In fact, I worked out the other day that storing MP3s on MD was a cost saving over storing on HD. 6 gig HD = 80 UKP (quick search, that was the cheapest 6 gig) 74 minutes of MP3'd audio, at decent compression = 74mins x 60secs x 20 kbytes/sec (ie. 160kbit/sec) = 88.8Mb of space. 6000mb/88.8mb = 67.57 MD's worth on a HD. Cost of storage of 74 mins on HD : 1.18 UKP Cost of storage of 74 mins on MD : 1.10 UKP (there was a place selling Hi-Space, no voucher scheme for 1.10 ea) Plus of course there's no hassle with transferring to silly devices like the Rio - just grab a couple of MDs and go :) Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === MIME part removed : text/x-vcard; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
Hi Andrew. Your theoretical numbers kind for remind me of a sign I once saw. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance. Baffle them with Bull Shit". Seriously, what it really comes down to is not numbers, but rather what the human eye can see and hear. I included sight because my nephew who was a video major in college once made a point about video that has always stuck with me. I realize that video isn't necessarily a digital media. But it is an electronic one. As opposed to film which is a "true" analog reproduction. I once asked him if he ever thought that there would come a time when video reproduction would actually be superior to film. Now remember this came from a VIDEO major. He said know, "because as good as you can make video, all you have to do is double the size of the film and you will once again have better quality on film. Of course increasing the size of the film has it's practical limits. Of course all this sounds like I'm the one trying to baffle you with bull shit. Enjoy the weekend (I guess it's already Sunday where our list members from down under live). This is a little off topic. But I have made many friends from Australia thanks to the net that I would have never had a chance to correspond with. I hate to generalize but if my experience is typical, you guys are the greatest. I'm so glad that there are a large number active list members from down under. From a "Tank". LAS Andrew Hobgood wrote: I know that this is going to sound stupid to most of you. But I still question using digital storage to store analog information. Sound is analog. At some point in the process you are going to have to convert analog to digital. Very true... the only issue is that as soon as you try to store data in an analog format, you have to worry about A) physically moving parts that are very sensitive (like phonograph cartridges) or B) media damage (like a cassette). Degradation becomes too much of a factor, both on the playback end *and* on the media. As for storing the data digitally, Nyquist's theorem (IIRC) states that with a sampling frequency of n Hz, you can store data at *NO LOSS* that goes up to the Nyquist frequency, which is n/2 Hz. Now, currently, a CD stores data at 44.1kHz, 16 bits wide. That means that there are 65536 distinct possible sound intensity values. As digital storage sizes increase, the potential exists to double the sampling rate to 88.2kHz (bringing the Nyquist frequency to 44.1kHz, high enough to be inaudible by animals, and finishing up the farthest reaches of the dynamic range that the human ear can discern), and bringing the bit width to 32 bits (so there would be 4294967296 distinct sound pressure values). You could store *much* higher quality audio in only 4x the space. If such a format shift was performed, backward compatibility into older DAC's would be trivial (cut the last 2 bytes off of the end of the sample, making it the most significant 16 bits, then skip every other sample to bring the sample rate to 44.1kHz) without going below the current quality standard. If such a format shift occurred, the bottleneck of audio quality would no longer be the storage medium, but the playback equipment, and whether your speaker system could reliably respond across the range that you're encoding into your media. /Andrew - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
Your theoretical numbers kind for remind me of a sign I once saw. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance. Baffle them with Bull Shit". What I showed you aren't bullshit numbers, but proven theories regarding signal processing. If you can represent the full range, the "warmth" of the audio is irrelevant. An audio signal is merely a sequence of sound intensities. That's all your ear detects. When you hear a sound, it's just a membrane moving to varying sound pressures, translating that motion via a small bone over to another membrane that rests at the opening to your cochlea. That smaller membrane moves, and pushes a fluid through the sealed cochlea. Small hairs inside the cochlea then translate those varying motions into electrochemical signals that travel into your brain for processing. As long as you generate a sound pressure that is continuous, and a comparison of the output with technical means (such as an oscilloscope) is the same, the sound pressures getting passed to the cochlea are exactly the same, regardless of media. Seriously, what it really comes down to is not numbers, but rather what the human eye can see and hear. Exactly. And what I was pointing out is that with a sufficiently high bit width and sample rate, your output from a digital medium can be absolutely indistinguishable from an analog signal. I agree that a CD can never sound as good as a live performance, but I *do* believe that a CD sounds much better than an LP. Ever listen to Holst's "The Planets" on vinyl? Ever hear it on CD? Ever hear it live played by the London Symphony? Sure, the symphony sounds the best. The LP blows. The CD is the closest we can currently get to being there. I included sight because my nephew who was a video major in college once made a point about video that has always stuck with me. I realize that video isn't necessarily a digital media. But it is an electronic one. As opposed to film which is a "true" analog reproduction. Actually, it's not. Film is actually "digital" in nature. A movie that you see in the theater is a "sample" of the scene taken every 1/30 (or 1/24, depending on format and media) of a second. This is no different than sampling a sound pressure every 1/44100 of a second. Still, you don't hear folks coming out of the woodwork saying that they're only going to go to see plays because movies don't reproduce the full quality of the work. That's because designers, after trying 10 frames per second (back with Charlie Chaplin and such) found that 30 frames per second was enough to fool the human eye into believing that it was seeing an accurate reproduction of reality. Audio engineers just need to find the same thing. However, what I'm talking about is reproducing the reality of the sound. Just because the sound coming out of your speakers is the same one that came from the instrument *doesn't* mean that it sounds any better, however. I guess that's what the problem is here... when I listen to vinyl, I hear a certain warmth of audio and depth. However, this warmth and depth was NEVER in the original performance... it's merely the artifact of the medium. Folks who maintain that tapes and vinyl give better sound are locking into the artifacts that you get when you have a medium that doesn't fully reproduce reality. I guess that's okay, if you're in it for a subjective playback. I mean, music is indeed a subjective medium in the first place. Seriously, though... the other day, I found a copy of the Kraftwerk album Ralf and Florian in CD format in a friend's collection. I listened to it. It sounded *exactly* the same as the copy I had in vinyl. Why? Because the CD was mastered from the original vinyl recording. Now, this brings up a key point. Just because it's on CD (or another digital medium), doesn't mean that it won't have that warmth and depth that so many audiophiles will claim is the advantage of vinyl. If you like that sort of warmth, master out to vinyl, and then record it back onto CD, and you'll have the same effect. You never "lose" the warmth of a recording when going to CD, you merely never have that warmth introduced into the recording at all. I suppose that folks could design a filter to simulate a vinyl mastering, and apply it prior to the pressing of the CD, and everyone would have the same "warmth" on CD that's so loved by vinylphiles. major. He said know, "because as good as you can make video, all you have to do is double the size of the film and you will once again have better quality on film. You're not comparing the final output. You're talking about one frame at a time. When you talk about increasing the size of the film, you're talking about making your "samples" bigger. So, let's say we go with something like a 64 bit sample? That's the same thing as increasing our film from 35mm to 70mm. You're still only playing back at 24 frames per second (or 44.1kHz, in the audio analogy), but
Re: MD: New lower price for Sharp 702 at Shopping.com
Hi. I have warned and continue to warn people not to buy a 702. I don't care what anyone tries to tell you. You would be better off burning your money. This unit is so bad that some on line dealers actually (after the second or third replacement) offered to exchange the unit for the 722 with the customer only paying an "upgrade" charge!! What amazes me is that the Sharp unit before the 702 (the MS200) is in my humble opinion, one of the best portable recorders ever sold. And even the early 702's did not seem to have problems. But someone at Sharp must have seem what was happening on the internet and deiced that there was this huge market for MD in the US if the price was right. So Sharp started selling them in the US at lower prices then a portable recorder had ever been sold. Only I guess they must have cut corners somewhere to make the price so low. I don't know if they found a cheaper inferior source for some of the components, or they just eliminated quality control. I have a house full of non functional electronics of every description. I'll sell them real cheap if anyone is interested. LAS PrinceGaz wrote: From: Eric Woudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a reader: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't know if this is the correct address to send this, but Shopping.com has lowered the price for the Sharp 702 Minidisc. They were selling it for $200, with a $50 rebate from Sharp (bringing the price to $150). Well, Shopping.com is now selling the unit for $180, and with the rebate, the final price is now $130. For a portable player/recorder, this is phenomenal. Looks like its time to buy a minidisc. Only if you want the Sharp UTOC problems in a few months, unless of course it's the "fixed" version which only a "few" people have had UTOC problems with. Now how many Sony portables have a reputation of giving UTOC errors. One? Two? All of them? To my knowledge, *NONE* ! Cheers, PrinceGaz - "People in glass houses shouldn't spin a cat!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Xitel Storm Platinum Soundcard
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hello! I've been a lurker on this list...and now I've surfaced for some = air! I was wondering if anyone here have any comments or info for this = soundcard (Xitel Storm Platinum PCI soundcard). I find the fact that it = supports A3D as well as a S/PDIF port quite enticing. Price is also = okay. Any comments? Oh yeah, and if anyone of u want to look for it on = the net, it's at www.xitel.com/home.htm Daniel Cheung === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701, is it starting to fail? -SonyR50
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === My past experience with Sony products has been terrible. There are only a few recent products that I have purchased that are Sony. The 510. I never had a problem with it, but I doubt in the several years that I own it I have used it for more then a few dozen hours. Same with the D800 CD player. I just haven't had the time to use it. It works great But it's hardly been used. Even my MZ-1 had to go back for repairs twice! LAS Graham Baker wrote: I think you will one day regret having made this statement - sooner or later something you have taken so much care of WILL fail on you. I am an electronics technician by trade and I can assure you that every one of my 'toys' are treated with kid gloves and TLC. Also I do not 'mess around under the hood' with them This has not had the slightest effect on my failed MZ-R2, JA3ES and TRV900 DV cam - they have all been to the Sony repair shop for some pretty serious problems, all less than 18 mths old. Not to mention my Sony 17" monitor that needed a new tube after 15 mths use. Ironically, the only bit of recent kit that hasn't failed on me is my Sharp 701 - now I would guess that I will be reporting UTOC errors in the next few days:-) So, whilst I agree that you should take great care with all this delicate electronics stuff, it is not always a guarantee that all will be well. GB But that will teach you not to be careful. As human as we all may be, you still need to take care of your stuff. And yes, it is possible ... just take a look at my track record. All my devices love me back because I don't have accidents with them 3#-) Adios, LarZ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:18:57 +1000
[Capitol Records never released the first 3 Kraftwerk albums on CD, just because they were too old (early 1970's).] Andrew, I assume when you say that they were too old, you mean that they felt there wouldn't be enough interest in them if they released them on CD. Because Capital has released stuff that is much older then the 70's. Wasn't the group a "One hit wonder"? Seems that I can only remember one song by them. G'day, LAS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: md from VCR
hi, i have a concert on a vcr tape i want to record to MD. i cant get any sound out of the audio jack of my vcr. its not a stereo vcr, i was going to MD it in momo. any one know how i can do this? thanks, Mike Hooker - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: 300 disc changer
Subject: MD: Sony 300 Megachanger This is MD related in so far as it is a really cool recording setup. Sony just expanded their megachangers to include a unit that holds 300 CD's. Best Buy has it for only $289. It includes digital out and all needed features to record mixes from 300 CD's on tap. I have it daisy chained to my other mega changer for a 500 CD juke box. Very cool. I'd like to put up a dissenting opinion. Bought one on Thursday, took it back Friday. Reasons? SLLLOOOWWW, and it doesn't work with the MD Editor software that came with the MDS-PC1 (that I own). Only controls the first 200 CDs. :( Plus the time functions leave much to be desired. Found the CE535 to be a much more desirable unit. Only 5 CDs, but it keeps running time of programs (even those which use multiple CDs), which makes making MD mixes easier. Plus it can be controlled by the MDEditor, and is much quicker on changes. --- Peace Hugs and UnityJason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://www.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
