Re: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: besides which there are those (and from what i've seen, they have a pretty solid case - my main sources are AudioTechnology Magazine in Australia) who believe that 44.1kHz, 16bit audio leaves a lot to be desired - the current top CONSUMER audio is 24 bit 96kHz (this is the DVD Audio format). 1) they believe... 2) It's a magazine. Magazine's have sponsors. DVD want's to take off, so they sponsor these kind of articles. Yes, 24 bit 96kHz is betterthen 44.1kHz, 16 bits. But I don't believe there's a big change in sound. That would require: a) a very good DA converter b) a very good amplifier c) a pair of very good speakers d) a sound-proof room e) a pair of excellent ears. I think most of us on this list have neither of them. 2000 people on the list, from all over the world makes a pretty good statistic base. Face it, the average consumer won't here the difference! Rupert Neve (if you have to ask who that is, don't bother responding to this email), aside from swearing that the best analogue will always sound better, feel better an generally be better than any analogue, says that he feels digital will be of an acceptable quality when it is 24bit 192kHz (kinda leaves MDs for dead, huh?). This is because of high frequency dynamics, which affect the sound colour. It is because of this that much of his gear has enormous frequency responses. This makes MD look even worse than CD/DAT in this respect, for the ATRAC coding actually trims the frequency response to compress the audio more easily. ATRAC compresses by not storing unhearable frequencies. It doesn't leave those frequencies out of the signal in order to better compress the signal... (ATRAC uses a fixed data rate. Therefore it's not possible to just compress the raw sampled data. ATRAC uses a DFFT (Discrete Fast Fourier Transformation, ie, a FFT in the digital domain), analyses the abtained list with frequencies and asigns bits to some frequencies and nothing to others.) Don't get me wrong, i think that MD technology is great - i have been saving for ages to buy a unit and have my heart set on the 831 - but it has its limitations, it is not really appropriate for high end pro use, and i would imagine that diehard audiophiles would probably prefer to use higher end stuff also. Hmm, I sort of agree. MD has limitations but also inovations: 1) CD have a very bad error-correction scheme (based on guessing...). A badly burned CD will sound much wors than a MD. (CD-Roms have an improved correc- tion schema, which explains why they only contain 640MB instead of 700MB!) 2) Editable!! Christopher Spalding Genius, generally excellent and gifted person. I hope this is a joke If not, you're really sad.. Cheers, Ralph - gennerally not excellent and ungifted person.. -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what the accuracy of the data comes down to is that whilst the error correction my cause the errors on the discs, etc to be unnoticable, it is still ony the machine's best guess as to what should be there, so it isn't exactly what the original should sound like. It may only be the difference that a fanatic audiophile or experienced engineer may notice but it is still there. Wrong, as long as the Block Error Rate stays bellow 220 errors a second (Thanks Eric Woudenberg for the correction ;-) ), the ATRAC-DSP will be able to recon- struct the data as it was. Ie, There will be absolutely no difference. (Don't compare MD with CD. The error correction system in a CD-player is bassed on guessing, the error-correction system in a MD-player is based on storing extra data that makes it possible to reconstruct excactly the original signal! This is where MD is far superior). A fanatic audiophile... The WANT to hear a difference. And they BELIEVE there is a diffence. They don't listen to music, but they listen to their AD converters, speakers etcetera. It's a religion for them. I and many other listen to music. We enjoye the music made by other persons, or sometimes the music that we played ourselve. And whether the music is played on some low-end device or on a high-end device that doesn't really mather. Well... it does mather, but we aren't listening to the device. We listen to music, something created by an artist! Cheers, Ralph - going back to his roots. -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Recording 9hours!
Matthias wrote: | hmm, I don't think so that it's s important to get an extra HD | Drive for it. Exactly.Why don't you simply borrow a stereo VCR, connect it to your amp with phonos, and record in LP with a 5 hour tape?Switch the source to 'EXT' first. You can then get some decent sleep, and copy it to MD at your leisure. Regards, John. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Test mode?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't know about test mode, DO NOT enter it. It can do all sorts of things, including rendering your MD unusable! Seriously. Very wise words, BTW doesn't anybody have, or know where to find the Service Manual for the Sharp MD-MT20H ? I need that, so I will know what I'm doing, I've got the service manual of the MS200, but It's totally different :-( Oh, and to be more precise about what Test mode is, it's a mode which the people at the service centers use to find out what's wrong with it if it doesn't work anymore, and if you're lucky enough, they can even restore it to working order by only using Test mode. (If some settings somehow got messed up due to electrostatic fields, miswriting to the chip or whatever that could've happened). The problem here is that in test mode you can also mess up the settings of you're MD recorder, which can indeed render it useless. Most common problem will probably be some 'dis-allignment' of the internal mechanics. This can be corrected in testing mode. For the rest.. Some devices will give you some technical information like: - BLER (BLock Error Rate - what's the head's possition - version of the firmware - etc. Cheers, Ralph - without testmode... -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 701/702/722 Cloning possible... and realtivly easy ;)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hya All, Saw a post in alt.audio.minidisc about TOC cloning on 7XX machines. I tried it, it works ;). I've made a clearer version on my web site, still waiting for pictures (college digicam here I come ;). You can check it out at www.wood-soft.co.uk. WAHHAY!!! I love TOC cloning, already recoved several things I wanted ;). Laterz, Peter. Hmm, you mean TOC-cloning, ie, copying the complete contents of one discs TOC to another disk or do you mean the transfer of track/disk-names from one disc to another. The later is a build in feature of the 7xx, the former is not possible (As far as we know her on the list!) Cheers, Ralph - unclonable (Due to his bionic features...) -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: TOSLink protective caps on sockets
Simon Mackay wrote: ... optical inputs or outputs is often fitted with removeable plastic caps on these Toslink connectors. snip which can easily get lost. Alternatives: blu-tak or sticky tape They also present a choking hazard with toddlers if you are in a situation ... As a loving parent of two surviving former toddlers, I have to say that the choking hazards are said infants, who will attempt to place any object that will fit, into their mouths. It's your job to stop 'em doing it (you hope). If your MD deck is in reach, expect to find unusual objects posted into the disk slot. I think it's valid to argue that toys and other stuff designed for little people should not have small bits that come off and choke the little darlings, but I don't think this extends to domestic electronics. Should I always keep the plugs on the TOSLink connectors whenever I am not using the connectors or can I not have the plugs on them? The plugs keep out dust, which might later end up in the signal path. The dust MIGHT stop the optical link working, in which case you would need to clean it out with a Q-tip. simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
Magic wrote (in reply to me) simon 1) Wot IS a "high frequency dynamic" ? Think of the opposite - low frequency dynamics. You know those really low sub-bass sounds you can't actually hear as much as you feel them. The same can happen with high-frequency sound, in that they are too high for your ears to hear, but they can still effect other senses. Yes, I have felt low fequencies in my diaphragm, but what organ could I use to detect these HIGH frequencies ? Also, you still didn't say what the DYNAMIC part is. I can hear frequencies, but I'm not sure I know what a dynamic is. I suspect it is a rate of change of frequency or amplitude. There's also the effect that sampling at a low frequency rate such as 44kHz can have on a signal. A sine wave at 22kHz sampled at 44kHz becomes a triangle wave, and that does sound vastly different. A 1kHz triangle wave DOES sound different to a 1kHz sine wave, but if I try it at 10kHz, I can't hear a difference (because the triangularising harmonics are above 20 kHz and inaudible), and at 22kHz I can't hear a damn thing of either. simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: New Sharp 702 Red REC Light - Am I missing something?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend consulting the fluffy manual. If it says somewhere that the but- ton or dot or whatever it is should light up, then something is wrong. If the manual says specifically that it doesn't light, or if the manual never addresses the matter, then figure that it shouldn't light up and that your 702 is working properly. The 702 manual is very clear at this point. It's very clearly writtin that the rec button doesn't light up during recording. Cheers, Ralph - Sharps manuals aren'r worse/better than Sony's... -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD data conversion Zip Drive Click of Death?
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MD: Cloning On Sony 520
Hello, This is the first time I tried cloning on my mini disc unit. I was able to get extra time on the mini disc by following the instructions on David Tamkin's web page, http://www.minidisc.org/cloning_procedure.html . I was able to get 78:40 worth of time on a Memorex 74 disc. Around :30 before the end of 78:40 there was noise coming from the unit, a clicking sound, and just before the time ended the unit displayed an error message, (recording error). The unit would not turn off, the disc wouldn't eject or nothing, until I unplugged it, then everything went back to normal. Has anyone else experienced anything like this with there Sony 520 recorder? The unit works perfectly at all times, this surprised me. I don't see how a person can get more from a disc by cloning it's TOC, but of course I'm no expert, so I'm not really surprised the unit acted up when it did. Should I try another disc to see if I can get the complete 80:59, or what I received from the 78:40 is what is expected with this procedure? Thanks in advance for any feedback. Martyn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Recording 9hours!
All, I have heard of people using a VCR to tape audio off the radio. I don't know how well that works though with a 6 hour tape. Yeah it's good, I use 3 hour tapes on Long Play for 6 hours to record audio, it sounds alright. Slightly better then tape??? I don't know. Probably. Well worth it if you have LP video machine. For recording with a VCR i use a special Peritel cable for copying tapes from camescope. On one end you've got a classical peritel an on the other end three RCA plug 2 for the stereo sound and one for the video signal from the camescope. Plug the stereo RCA's on your audio system (out tape plug on your amps) and set the source of the VCR on out/aux then play record or just program the VCR to start at an fixed hour (don't forget to let the radio on). On mine i've got Long Play recording and was able to record an 8 hours radio program on a 240 tape. Regis - trying to buy 80 min MD and Maxell color one by one (never use Yellow and Pink MDs) in Paris. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: digital recording techniques
Thanks Alexander could you just clarify for me.. Can I title my tracks with the PC sound card ? That would make a big difference in my decission to but one or splash out on a new CD player ( with digital output ). (I know I still can't title but at least I get something more for my money than yet another sound card ). ( nearly went OTT at the weekend, thought about going for a DVD with optical digital output. 2 birds, one stone, small fortune ). Alternatively, what do you people think about the Sharp MD/3xCD combo unit? I forget the model number but I guess its well known. How about Sony equivalents? (I think the Sharp doesn't display your MD track titles ). Peter A Barlow. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. +33 1 53 78 66 51 - Message d'origine - De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 25 septembre 1999 12:39 Objet : Re: MD: digital recording techniques Okay, so no PC bay drive gizmo. What would you recomend for digital recordings ? 1. PC sound card with digital o/p 2. integrated CD/MD hifi separate (seems funny using those two words in the same phrase, but you know what I mean). 3. CD player with digital o/p. 4. any others CD player with digital outputs gets my vote because its what I use, but there is a lot of discussion at present about using soundcards with digital outputs. I'd like to get a digital in/out soundcard, but there are some issues that keep me from buying one: 1. No track marks 2. No Linux drivers 3. Effectively no SCMS control (but I don't really care) Until these are remedied, I'm happy with my CD player's digital out. Alexander -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: (don't) forget Paris
Hi, You've got COBRA which sell audiophile material. I don't kown precisely their prices but they are 10% to 20% under the market price. You ve got the SERAP but you must have a special card (price ~ -20%) if you want a temporary card and the adress just ask me. Bye Regis -- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Répondre à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date :lundi 27 septembre 1999 12:51 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : MD: (don't) forget Paris === The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === I'm a brit living in Paris and I'm itching to get myself a portable MD player. I've checked out a number of mail order sites in USA and Japan and compared prices with those in Paris. Taking into account shipping and insurance it seems cheaper to buy localy. Can anyone recommend a good/cheap place to pick up MD gear in Paris ? (If I do buy localy, I can get a 20% discount on Sony gear). Anyone recommend a good Sony player (ME55 perhaps ?) Peter A Barlow. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. +33 1 53 78 66 51 === MIME part removed : image/gif; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Cloning On Sony 520
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Hi Martyn, The clicking noise you heard probably was the recording head unit coming up against the stop. You will get slightly different recording times from different brands of 74m59s discs. Also, 80m59s discs differ from 74m59s ones in the UTOC formatting pitch. This means that it is unlikely that you will get a full 80m59s from a 74m59s disc. WARNING: It is not very good to let the head unit bump against the stop too much, so in future (with this brand of disc) record only up to 78m00s to play safe. Other brands of disc may vary slightly where the 'stop point' is reached. Learn the stop point of each brand and then record up to 10 seconds before that point. Regards, John. | Hello, | | This is the first time I tried cloning on my mini disc | unit. I was | able to get extra time on the mini disc by following the | instructions on | David Tamkin's web page, | http://www.minidisc.org/cloning_procedure.html | . I was able | to get 78:40 worth of time on a Memorex 74 disc. Around | :30 before the end of 78:40 there was noise coming from the unit, a | clicking sound, and just before the time ended the unit displayed an | error message, (recording error). The unit would not turn | off, the disc | wouldn't eject or nothing, until I unplugged it, then everything went | back to normal. Has anyone else experienced anything like this with | there Sony 520 recorder? The unit works perfectly at all times, this | surprised me. I don't see how a person can get more | from a disc | by cloning it's TOC, but of course I'm no expert, so I'm not really | surprised the unit acted up when it did. Should I try another disc to | see if I can get the complete 80:59, or what I received from the 78:40 | is what is expected with this procedure? | | Thanks in advance for any feedback. | | Martyn | | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: (don't) forget Paris
Yann LEZY wrote: | Hi ! | | Last week I bought a Sony MZ-R37 from the Fnac for 1790FF (10% rebate | thanx to Fnac membership) in Paris. | Unlike public sales, it is shipped with 3 blank MDs, 1 pre-recorded MD | (good when you dunno what a MD looks like... CRRAKK !) Wow, it sounds like Fnac MD users get that little extra 'high' from their discs ;-))) John. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Minidisc in VW Golf - trying to help a desperate friend
Dear All, A friend of mine has asked me to mail the list in desperation. He has happily been using a Sharp 702 and a no name cassette adaptor in his old Peugeot 306's cassette radio. He just got a new job and with it a spanking new company car - VW Golf TDi (very nice actually). The unit in the Golf is unbranded and has a 6 CD changer (I don't know who makes them for VW) and he has been told that you can't specify a minidisc player for a Golf, which surprised me as my Mum has a Polo in which she did specify an MD unit. Anyway. Getting it changed for an MD unit could get quite complicated as it is a leased company car and he likes the CD autochanger as well... so he wants to use a cassette adaptor. The problem is, his cassette adaptor doesn't want to work (its intermittent, crackly, fuzzy etc.). I tried mine and it won't work at all. Does anyone know of a cassette adaptor that would work? Or alternatively, do these things have any sort of line in at the back? Any other way round this other than ripping out the current unit and replacing it (like I said complicated for other than technical reasons). Thanks in advance Tony This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening System http://academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: (don't) forget Paris
We'll always have Paris. . . . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.cloud9.net/~salzberg - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
On 27 Sep 99, at 8:11, J. Coon wrote: I and many other listen to music. We enjoye the music made by other persons, or sometimes the music that we played ourselve. And whether the music is played on some low-end device or on a high-end device that doesn't really mather. Well... it does mather, but we aren't listening to the device. We listen to music, something created by an artist! Well put, Ralph. I'd add that the technology is important insofar as it improves the quality of the art (this is a recurrent discussion on at least two dance-related forums, by the way). You play better on a good mandolin than you do on a bad mandolin, I assume, but you also play better on a bad mandolin than a lesser artist might play on a good one. Likewise, I'd rather listen to good music on a Minidisk than on a cassette, but I'd rather listen to good music on a cassette than listen to bad music on a minidisk. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.cloud9.net/~salzberg - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 10:26:46AM +0200, Ralph Smeets wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what the accuracy of the data comes down to is that whilst the error correction my cause the errors on the discs, etc to be unnoticable, it is still ony the machine's best guess as to what should be there, so it isn't exactly what the original should sound like. It may only be the difference that a fanatic audiophile or experienced engineer may notice but it is still there. Wrong, as long as the Block Error Rate stays bellow 220 errors a second (Thanks Eric Woudenberg for the correction ;-) ), the ATRAC-DSP will be able to recon- struct the data as it was. Ie, There will be absolutely no difference. (Don't compare MD with CD. The error correction system in a CD-player is bassed on guessing, From my memory (its been years since I actually *knew* any of this), the CD error correction system is two level. First, it does error correction and can precisely reconstruct the data if the errors are within some threshold (similar to MD, I suppose). Its only if the error correction fails that it will then "guess" (interpolate) at the signal. the error-correction system in a MD-player is based on storing extra data that makes it possible to reconstruct excactly the original signal! This is where MD is far superior). I am not familiar with the MD error correction system, but I'm quite certain that CDs do this as well as stated above (though perhaps not as well as MD, afterall, MD is about a 10-year new technology). Bob -- Bob Willcox Don't tell me that worry doesn't do any good. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know better. The things I worry about don't Austin, TX happen. -- Watchman Examiner - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 10:26:46AM +0200, Ralph Smeets wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what the accuracy of the data comes down to is that whilst the error correction my cause the errors on the discs, etc to be unnoticable, it is still ony the machine's best guess as to what should be there, so it isn't exactly what the original should sound like. It may only be the difference that a fanatic audiophile or experienced engineer may notice but it is still there. Wrong, as long as the Block Error Rate stays bellow 220 errors a second (Thanks Eric Woudenberg for the correction ;-) ), the ATRAC-DSP will be able to recon- struct the data as it was. Ie, There will be absolutely no difference. (Don't compare MD with CD. The error correction system in a CD-player is bassed on guessing, From my memory (its been years since I actually *knew* any of this), the CD error correction system is two level. First, it does error correction and can precisely reconstruct the data if the errors are within some threshold (similar to MD, I suppose). Its only if the error correction fails that it will then "guess" (interpolate) at the signal. You're correct here. But the error correction system only accepts single bit errors... Ie, guessing mode is entered very quicly. (A dust particle is sufficient!) the error-correction system in a MD-player is based on storing extra data that makes it possible to reconstruct excactly the original signal! This is where MD is far superior). I am not familiar with the MD error correction system, but I'm quite certain that CDs do this as well as stated above (though perhaps not as well as MD, afterall, MD is about a 10-year new technology). AFAIK, the ATRAC error correction takes place before 'decompression'. If I understood the IEEE-ATRAC document correctly (Eric please help me out), MD has no guessing mode. Ie, It can either correct the error or you get a moment without sound. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD data conversion Zip Drive Click of Death?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 27 Sep 1999 | I gues somebody who stored his mail on minidisc and send it to MD-L? Nah. Just the stupidity of a Reply-To header pointing at a mailing list making it difficult to send a reply to the originator of a message. It just so happens that this one was encrypted. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE373ZBgl+vIlSVSNkRAkJQAKC85vChZEQD3SH3oX7kxDJ0Omt6rgCaA1hM llPpBcuSVjjLcSbkSxxR/0A= =CoxW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD data conversion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 27 Sep 1999 | 2) I think it would be possible to store data on a audio disc using the |analog interface.. Use two frequencies, one for '0' and one for '1'. You do not remember the days when personal computers used monaural audio cassette recorders for data storage, do you. :) Then again, a modem -- MOdulator-DEModulator works the same way, using analog tones to represent the bit stream. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE373dkgl+vIlSVSNkRApzYAJ42OGdEBPROksNsuahsuuv0CSnljwCgs1qw hb9QyhbsPuvGImYN9OeABIQ= =J9Bx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: New Sharp 702 Red REC Light - Am I missing something?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Jeff Yerkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 26 Sep 1999 | I got my Sharp 702 from the Good Guys in San Francisco. After a few | hours, the red "REC" light died. That is not a light, it is button made of translucent red plastic that just looks like a light. There is nothing wrong with your unit. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE373g5gl+vIlSVSNkRAh9NAJ42lD7L4/q0MLeI1CQgYHeIEHiajQCg1GvW ewkXbPG5UFYVv8M67i9D4as= =lk/Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Where can I find an MZR-30 (or equivalent) Remote control?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Hamish Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 26 Sep 1999 | Can any one help? I have misplaced (lost) the remote for my MZR-30 | recorder, this is a real bummer as some of the unit buttons are not working | as they should. Do any of the retailers on the net sell remotes separately? You can get the remote directly from Sony through your local Sony service center or Sony retailer. The R-30's remote costs about $50. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE373ipgl+vIlSVSNkRAld7AKDgrus7H+EaGtCxmbMgXCDTTJ03TgCdHsfd ZYm6pnU4U8vpLkbR7lrvU2Q= =ZaMJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ away immediately. Seek shelter and cover PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ head. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD data conversion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 27 Sep 1999 | 2) I think it would be possible to store data on a audio disc using the |analog interface.. Use two frequencies, one for '0' and one for '1'. You do not remember the days when personal computers used monaural audio cassette recorders for data storage, do you. :) Then again, a modem -- MOdulator-DEModulator works the same way, using analog tones to represent the bit stream. Well, I know that my data-recorder for my MSX computer used 1200 Hz for '0' and 2400 Hz for '1'. All those 'turbo' charging programs would somehow double, triple, quadrople etc. the frequency in order to gain a higher speed. Cheers, Ralph - Pip, crhhh, piep piep piep pip pip pip piep piep pip pip piep chhhr... (*)(_)(@#$*( tape broken. -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD data conversion
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Ralph Smeets wrote: You do not remember the days when personal computers used monaural audio cassette recorders for data storage, do you. :) Then again, a modem -- MOdulator-DEModulator works the same way, using analog tones to represent the bit stream. Well, I know that my data-recorder for my MSX computer used 1200 Hz for '0' and 2400 Hz for '1'. All those 'turbo' charging programs would somehow double, triple, quadrople etc. the frequency in order to gain a higher speed. Cheers, Ralph - Pip, crhhh, piep piep piep pip pip pip piep piep pip pip piep chhhr... (*)(_)(@#$*( tape broken. yeah, i remember my TI99 and playing montezuma's revenge on it...ahh, the memories. fire up the 99, hit play on the tape drive to load the game, go watch a half-hour sitcom, come back, wait for the game to finish loading for a minute or two, then play. fun. ;) * a disturbance in a system. laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# calm down my heart/don't beat so fast/don't be afraid icq:5562209just once in a lifetime - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: digital recording techniques
No, there isn't a sound card out there which passes on track titles (it's not something that happens through S/PDIF interfaces). The only way you can achieve that is if you have something that either transmits the info via infra-red or otherwise through Sony's funky S-link connection. In all honesty, the only reasons why you would want to get a digital I/O soundcard are: 1) Recording mp3's to MD 2) Dumping MD's to PC for some post-production processing and then dumping back to MD if so desired. At least, they're the 2 reasons why I use such a beastie. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 27 September 1999 21:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: MD: digital recording techniques Thanks Alexander could you just clarify for me.. Can I title my tracks with the PC sound card ? That would make a big difference in my decission to but one or splash out on a new CD player ( with digital output ). (I know I still can't title but at least I get something more for my money than yet another sound card ). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: blanks
where ca i get cheep blanks ?? regards Tor Ramstad - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 701/702/722 Cloning possible... and realtivly easy ;)
Ralph wrote, | Hmm, you mean TOC-cloning, ie, copying the complete contents of one discs | TOC to another disk or do you mean the transfer of track/disk-names from | one disc to another. The later is a build in feature of the 7xx, the former | is not possible (As far as we know her on the list!) Peter means true TOC cloning, Ralph. Helge Boehme figured out a way to do it on the 701, and Peter found it works on the 702 and 722 as well. Helge's findings are linked off the MDCP at http://[insertyourlocalmirrorhere]/ms701_cloning.html or through Peter's site. He's not confusing it with Name Stamp. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 701/702/722 Cloning possible... and realtivly easy ;)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralph wrote, | Hmm, you mean TOC-cloning, ie, copying the complete contents of one discs | TOC to another disk or do you mean the transfer of track/disk-names from | one disc to another. The later is a build in feature of the 7xx, the former | is not possible (As far as we know her on the list!) Peter means true TOC cloning, Ralph. Helge Boehme figured out a way to do it on the 701, and Peter found it works on the 702 and 722 as well. Helge's findings are linked off the MDCP at http://[insertyourlocalmirrorhere]/ms701_cloning.html or through Peter's site. He's not confusing it with Name Stamp. Yep, I know... It was just that a lot of people reported they could clone a TOC on a 702 while it was just the name-stamp. It's something I'm going to try out this evening! Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: not just connecting the dots (was pure marketing tripe from Sony)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, C A sine wave at 22kHz sampled at 44kHz becomes a triangle C wave, and that does sound vastly different. Ralph countered, S a 22kHz sine-wave sampled at 44kHz stays a sine wave. ... S (AD/DA conversion isn't just connecting dots) Ergo, is a 22kHz triangle wave, sampled at 44kHz, extrapolated into a sine wave? Yes! Due to the lost of the harmonics that make up the triangle! Cheers, Ralph - if you dig deep enough you'll find water... -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then some- thing happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MZR37, SBLive Value and Hoontech adapter
On [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:07:59 +0100 From: Magic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: MZR37, SBLive Value and Hoontech adapter Emmanuel Thiry wrote: I'm not sure that Creative's linux driver supports digital I/O. Last version I had a look at was beta 0.3 I was under the impression that the software supplied with the SBLive! for X-Windows was the same as that supplied for Windows9x, is this not the case? I would have expected that the Linux software would have at least come with some type of mixer, and that the controls would tally with those on the Win9x systems. Check http://developer.soundblaster.com/ : what Creative offers to download is a tiny 120kb file, far much less than for Win9x (about 20Mb). Of course mixer software for Linux exist, but they won't handle the SBLive!'s digital I/O so long as Creative does not relase more advanced drivers. And so long as Creative won't release the specs of this board, there will be no other drivers from Linux developing community. Emmanuel Thiry [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MDS-JB920 Disc Error msg on insertion of MD
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Re: MD: Pure marketing hype from Sony
Ralph Smeets wrote: Magic, Magic, Magic, a 22kHz sine-wave sampled at 44kHz stays a sine wave. If you would know anything about Discrete Signal Processing you would now. (AD/DA conversion isn't just connecting dots) Cheers, Ralph - very sleepy... That could be a real bastard for synthesized music at high frequencies then - most of it consists of sharp-edged waves not dis-similar to triangle waves. The degree to which the sine wave is reproduced also depends on the degree of oversampling used if I remember correctly. I actually meant a square wave not a triangle wave, but it's the same principal, just a different distortion pattern. -- Magic Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD data conversion
Hey, the ZX Spectrum (the finest 8-bit machine made) stored data using monaural audio. It averaged about 1500bps, not exactly super fast, but faster than the ZX81 which was only about 300bps. I guess given MD audio is rather better than telephone quality, it should be able to store data with all the phase-shift stuff used by a 56K modem. Of course perhaps these v90 modems use signals the ATRAC algorithm would trash? Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 - Original Message - From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 September 1999 14:55 Subject: Re: MD: MD data conversion -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 27 Sep 1999 | 2) I think it would be possible to store data on a audio disc using the |analog interface.. Use two frequencies, one for '0' and one for '1'. You do not remember the days when personal computers used monaural audio cassette recorders for data storage, do you. :) Then again, a modem -- MOdulator-DEModulator works the same way, using analog tones to represent the bit stream. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE373dkgl+vIlSVSNkRApzYAJ42OGdEBPROksNsuahsuuv0CSnljwCgs1qw hb9QyhbsPuvGImYN9OeABIQ= =J9Bx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 702 Red REC Light - Am I missing something?
Thanks to all the group. Sadly, I now know there's no lil red light. I think Alan Dowds hit the proverbial nail on the head when he wrote: Maybe you were just so overcome by the magic of MiniDisc that you started to see lights... MY ORIGINAL POST: I got my Sharp 702 from the Good Guys in San Francisco. After a few hours, the red "REC" light died. I took it back to be fixed. (They could not replace it because they said Sharp is no longer shipping 702's.) After they returned it, the red REC light still does not work in Record mode. Am I missing something finicky with this unit, or did they just not fix it?!?! Thanks. Sincerely, Jeff Yerkey CHARETTE COMMUNICATION DESIGN 340 Bryant St., Suite 202, San Francisco, CA 94107 T 415-882-9400 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] F 415-882-9466 W www.charette.org "Why oh why didn't I take the red pill?" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Optical Out on IBM Thinkpad
This is a little off topic but I am looking for a way to get an optical output from my IBM Thinkpad. Does anyone know of a product (or another way) that can allow be to transfer my MP3s to Minidisc without buying a desktop computer. -Derek Jacobson - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: 701/702/722 Cloning possible... and realtivly easy ;)
Hya All, Peter means true TOC cloning, Ralph. Helge Boehme figured out a way to do it on the 701, and Peter found it works on the 702 and 722 as well. Helge's findings are linked off the MDCP at http://[insertyourlocalmirrorhere]/ms701_cloning.html or through Peter's site. He's not confusing it with Name Stamp. Nope, it is good and so simple. Yep, I know... It was just that a lot of people reported they could clone a TOC on a 702 while it was just the name-stamp. It's something I'm going to try out this evening! Well worth it Ralph, just sent an email to Helge actually ;). I'm currently updating my web pages content messivly ;). I now have a 722 and it's mostly the same as the 70X's. Apart from more features. ;) Laterz, P. - www.wood-soft.co.uk -- "It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes on match to burn a thousand trees!" -- A Thousand Trees, Stereophonics. Peter Wood. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - ICQ? UIN - 15779342 - FAX? USA (425) 952-7879 IRC? Find Me On DALnet #VisualBasic, #ircbar, #3cr, #B5+Trek, #startrek, #lineone, #star_, #starrpg as Doc_Z. /server irc.dal.net 7000 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Simulating a TOC Copy on a 7xx
Hya Keith, Would it be possible to simulate the Toc Copy that the Sharps have and copy a track listing to a MD? Why, when you can do the full thing?? Check my web page for more details (www.wood-soft.co.uk). I understand that you can copy the labeling of tracks this way between two Sharps... but could you simulate it with a soundcard or something? Or is it not cloning that you want? Explain ;) Hed:Strong still sounding good Keith, P. -- "It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes on match to burn a thousand trees!" -- A Thousand Trees, Stereophonics. Peter Wood. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - ICQ? UIN - 15779342 - FAX? USA (425) 952-7879 IRC? Find Me On DALnet #VisualBasic, #ircbar, #3cr, #B5+Trek, #startrek, #lineone, #star_, #starrpg as Doc_Z. /server irc.dal.net 7000 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Error Correction Audibility (Memorex error rates)
Magic wrote: The pack of 5 discs were purchased last month. We tested some other Memorex discs in the shop and almost all of them had BLER 40 to 60. Which shop? I didn't know memorex were available in the UK. What do they look like ( i.e who makes them? ) Memtek do not make their own CDR's, so I would assume they OEM their MD's from someone like Xeus? Richard __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Cannot order anything!
It sure would be nice, if I could order some blanks from minidisc now; none of the links for anything works on that page! Does anyone know what is the deal with them? -- ContinuumX 1999 -- [where X begins margin further of expansion] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
