Re: MD: R90 Recording Distortion

2000-05-09 Thread Bishop FPW


From: Nick Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MD: Live recording w/ MZ-R90 - help?

I attempted to make a live recording using my new Sony
MZ-R90 last night, and the resulting recording is so
distorted that it's almost unintelligible. . .

It's not you, it's the R90.
I  a couple of other guys have been measuring the inputs of the R50, R55,  
R90.
The R50 on low sensitivity clips at 150mV,
The R55 on low at 170mV,
The R90 (no switch) at 28mV.

They removed the high/low sensitivity switch on the R90 and it's far too 
easy too overload.  I have pretty weak mics (sens. -48dB) and they will clip 
the R90 at about 110dB SPL.  If you have mics based on the ubiquitous 
Panasonic WM60 or 61 they will clip much earlier.
(NB: This clipping is irrespective of record level setting, it's the input 
stage clipping before any gain control, they are absolute limits.)

So you really have to buy or make a battery box  use the line in.


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 5 May 2000
  o Glen Wintringham kindly translates the [1]Sharp MD-MT50 announcement 
into English.

Hey that's me ^.  I subscribed yesterday, hi.


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MD: R: Hoontech to MD, no track marks!

2000-05-09 Thread Luca


Da: Alexander Dietrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Usually there is no way get real trackmarks out of a soundcard,
 but the 2-3 second silence trick works with the digital-out as
 well.

This is good as long as you are not recording a series of live mp3s for
example, in which you'd hate to listen to a 3 seconds gap between songs.
On some decks (JE530 for example), when a silent gap of 15 seconds or more
is detected, it gets automatically cut.
So I've recorded a 20 seconds empty (silent) .wav file, and I insert it
between the songs of the playlist I'm recording from WinAmp to the MD deck.
When a song ends, the silence starts. After 15 seconds, the deck
automatically deletes the silent part and puts itself in "standby/music
sync" mode. When the following song starts, the deck automatically begins to
record again, resulting in a perfect track mark and no silent gap.
Obviously it takes longer to record the md (if you have to record 15 songs,
for example, you'll need 300 seconds more), but the result is perfect (and
you don't need extra space on the md like you'd need with a 3 seconds only
silent wave file).

Hope this helps someone.
Luca
Milano, Italy



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RE: MD: EasyBuy2000 MPTrip Discman

2000-05-09 Thread Simon Gardner



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 Jeanmougin wrote:
 
 
  It's looks really interesting WHEN you already own a computer,
 a modem and a
  CD-R grabber. But if you only own a MD, I think it is not
 useful (regarding
  the compacity, the re-recording possibility and the
 editability). Moreover,
  why a CD with all your music. I prefer to have one or several
 CDs for every
  kind of music.

 I think you hit the nail on the head here.  While it looks cheap
 initially, you have to factor in the cost of a CD burner for your
 computer if you don't have one.  They are starting to come with
 computers as part of the package, but it still isn't very common.  So
 $102(player) + $299(burner = a $400 mp3 player that can't reach the same
 compression rate as MD.  The MPTrip maxes out at 192kbit mp3's... and if
 i remember right MD is equivalent to 320 or 356kbit MP3?

 -mitch


.. and it's still too big to be "portable", the build quality sucks
(according to the review), and I'd have thought it's hardcoded for MP3,
unable to play any other new format that comes along.

Plus it won't record ;-)

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Re: MD: md compression

2000-05-09 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* "Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  on Mon, 08 May 2000
| First off dont get all bent out of shape on the compression arguement.  =
| what i was curious about is from what i've read ATRAC removes sounds =
| that are not hearable by the human ear.  my question is what frequency =
| does the MD stop recording at?

The problem with this question is that it is not relevant to what ATRAC
does.  ATRAC will operate on the entire frequency range fed into it.  At
that point, it is more a matter of amplitude than frequency.

For example, when a jet airliner flies overhead you cannot hear crickets
chirping in the grass.  The sound of the crickets is there, but are masked
by the sounds of the jet.  ATRAC removes the cricket sounds, leaving the
jet sounds.

Something to try: hook up your tone generator directly to your amp and see
if there actually is a difference.  Because 15Hz is well below the average
person's ability to detect.  ATRAC can be cranky when it comes to steady
tones.  There are no sounds being masked, so what gets removed by the bit
reduction is by definition significant.
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Re: MD: Future of MD

2000-05-09 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


Just FWIW, when I was over at Cambridge Soundworks at Cambridgeside (Boston
area), I was talking to one of the guys about MD recorders.  He had pointed
me at Boston Sound a couple of days before and I was gloating over the R90.
Anyway, MD is the one thing they cannot keep in stock.  People want MD.
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RE: MD: MZ-R30 vs. MZ-R37 vs. MD MS-702 vs. MZ-R90, et. al.

2000-05-09 Thread Alan Dowds


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Subject: MD: MZ-R30 vs. MZ-R37 vs. MD MS-702 vs. MZ-R90, et. al.


702: The FF/FR buttons really need to be given some separation, and the
volume buttons would be better if recessed.  It is difficult to use the A/C
adaptor if you also use the external battery pack.



It is a bit fiddly - but there is a note in the manual; "Do not fit the
separately available battery case when charging the internal battery"
(European manual, page E-5)

So maybe it's intentionally difficult?

I still leave mine in place when charging - without any problems so far...

Cya

Al

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MD: ...an MZ-R50 doesn't suck, right?

2000-05-09 Thread Bill Crawford


I found a used one for what was probably a little high here--$150 USD--
but it did come with what appear to be all the fixings; AA battery pack,
the NiCad battery, AC adapter, the stupid pouch thing (why not a normal
carrying case, like with my E40?), the stick remote, headphones, and even
the manual.  So far, everything seems to work perfectly (I'll give the
recorder
bit a workout this weekend)...am I missing anything?  Will it spontaneously
burst into flames one day while I'm listening to it?

- Will

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Re: MD: ...an MZ-R50 doesn't suck, right?

2000-05-09 Thread Albert Tanone


On Tue, 9 May 2000, Bill Crawford wrote:

 but it did come with what appear to be all the fixings; AA battery pack,
 the NiCad battery, AC adapter, the stupid pouch thing (why not a normal

Thought that the R50 had the Li-Ion battery?

Albert

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MD: OT: Panasonic's SD memory player

2000-05-09 Thread Leon


Hi,

Someone mentioned how Panasonic is going against MD. I don't see signs of
that (MD as a market in Japan is still too large and growing too fast to
ignore), but I found some interesting news releases.

Matsushita announced two SD memory card audio players on the 9th:
http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn000509-3/jn000
509-3.html

SV-SD70 - sale begins on June 30, along with 64MB and 32MB SD cards.
46x48x15mm, 55g with battery. Stainless steel casing. Can be worn on wrist
(clock function included) or hang like a necklace. Has S-XBS, repeat play.
http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn000509-3/jn000
509-3-1.jpg
http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn000509-3/jn000
509-3-2.jpg


SV-SD01
Worn over one's head, but the headband is of the traditional kind. Has LCD
on unit. Doesn't have S-XBS, clock, or repeat play.
http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn000509-3/jn000
509-3-3.jpg

AAC (advanced audio coding) compression, said to be a type of mpeg-2 audio
compression, is used. 64-minute card holds 64minutes at 128kbps, 86minutes
at 96kbps (standard mode), 129 minutes at 64kbps.

A 64MB blank card sells for 22000 yen, 32MB for 13500 yen. Each of the units
are MSRP 49800yen. A 64MB card is supplied with each player.

From what I remember, these players were developed for a joint venture
between Matsushita, Universal Music, and ATT. The plan has been broken up
last year, but Matsushita decided to push ahead with the hardware.

Leon

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MD: Sharp MD-R3

2000-05-09 Thread Erik Arneson


Howdy folks,

I'm continuing to assemble my home stereo system, and the Sharp MD-R3
has really caught my eye.  I'm wondering if anybody out there has one of
these, and what they think of it.

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Re: MD: Future of MD

2000-05-09 Thread Erik Arneson


On 9 May 00, Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just FWIW, when I was over at Cambridge Soundworks at Cambridgeside (Boston
 area), I was talking to one of the guys about MD recorders.  He had pointed
 me at Boston Sound a couple of days before and I was gloating over the R90.
 Anyway, MD is the one thing they cannot keep in stock.  People want MD.

Yeah, I had a similar experience at our local Circuit City.  They had 30
packs (or was it 20 packs?) of MD blanks for a pretty good price, but
for some reason I put off buying them.  I went back in about a week
later, and they'd all been emptied out.  I had to buy my blanks at a
normal price, dangit.

Still, it's really good to see that folks are buying MD stuff.  I love
my little MZ-R37, and am looking forward to purchasing an MD deck for my
stereo this month.

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Re: MD: ...an MZ-R50 doesn't suck, right?

2000-05-09 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* Albert Tanone [EMAIL PROTECTED]  on Tue, 09 May 2000
| Thought that the R50 had the Li-Ion battery?

Yes.  Both R30 and R50 have similar Li-Ion battery packs (R50's is smaller, 
but the unit needs less power, so the charge life is about the same, 5-6
hours on a charge).
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MD: Where can I get the Joint Text cable?? (RK-TXT1)

2000-05-09 Thread Billy Hetherington


I digitally record between an MZ-R90 and a D-EJ710 discman, and I would like 
to do CDTEXT copying, but cannot locate the appropriate cable that goes in 
your remote interface, anywhere here in Canada! Can anyone help?
The Sony Store is useless  :P .


Billy Hetherington
MD ROX!



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MD: Eric-san: Who has won the essay contest???

2000-05-09 Thread Billy Hetherington


I don't know about anyone else, but I'm dying to read the winning entry. Can 
you post it on MiniDisc.org?

Billy Hetherington

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RE: MD: MZ-R30 vs. MZ-R37 vs. MD MS-702 vs. MZ-R90, et. al.

2000-05-09 Thread WZ


 Remotes: I don't use them.  Too many wires to get tangled in whatever.
 That said, the R30 has the simplest, most straight-forward remote of the
 bunch.

Does the R30 have the same remote as the R50 ?  I find that i really like
the R50 remote.  I am using this in my car, and I can grab the remove, and
stop/play tracks,seek,track seek and change volumes without looking at it.
Of course to each their own.

 Titling: Prize goes to the 722.  A friend of mine described it as cracking
 a safe.  The big jog dial really rocks.  Second worst goes to the R37 just

hmmm, did your friend really mean it was easy ?  I have a really difficult
time cracking safes. :)

 the front panel buttons can be used, much like the Sharp 702.  Last place
 goes to the R30/R50: that thumbscrew they call a jog wheel is the worst
 pain in the thumb ever.

Hmm, I really like the job wheel on the R50.  My thumb has no problems with
it, and I can title with one thumb.  I rotate the wheel, then push down.
I've never used the 722 but I would imagine the big wheel would be handy,
but I have used buttons to title like the 702 and they are a big pain in the
you-know-where.  Again, to each his own.


 R30: A good recorder for digital input, but setting record levels for line
 or mic input is a pain, and they do not keep between discs so you have to
 reset them.

I believe ( i haven't checked for sure) that the R50's manual recording
level doesn't change between discs.

 Sony vs. Sharp: End Search ('nuff said).  When shifting character sets
 (upper, lower, special), the R90 resets the letter to "A" each cycle; 702
 is smart enough to remember that "n" and "N" are the same letter.

R50 is similar to the 702.  Then again I have the JDM version so the int.
version may be different.

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RE: MD: md compression

2000-05-09 Thread WZ


 First off dont get all bent out of shape on the compression arguement.  =
 what i was curious about is from what i've read ATRAC removes sounds =
 that are not hearable by the human ear.  my question is what frequency =
 does the MD stop recording at?  I ask this because recently i was =
 playing around with a tone generator (stomper) and made a 15 hz sound.  =
 outputted it to my md deck, recorded it then played it through my home =
 stero.  Strangly enough my sub was playing it (i couldn't actually hear =
 it, but i could definately see and feel it)  It is a sunfire signature =
 sub.  So what is actually cut out when recorded to a md?

Well your sub should be playing a 15hz signal.  Any other speaker you have
doesn't have the freq range to play a 15hz audibly.

I'm not sure what the lower limit is, but the upper limit I think is either
20kHz or 22kHz.  I believe minidisc.org has the specs somewhere.


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Re: MD: ...an MZ-R50 doesn't suck, right?

2000-05-09 Thread Mattias Bergsten


At 10:45 2000-05-09 -0500, Bill Crawford wrote
...am I missing anything?  Will it spontaneously burst into flames one day 
while I'm listening to it?

Personally, I think it's one of the best MD portables I've ever used. My 
friend owns an R90, and I'd take my R50 over that one anytime.

/fnord

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Re: MD: MZ-R30 vs. MZ-R37 vs. MD MS-702 vs. MZ-R90, et. al.

2000-05-09 Thread J. Coon


Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

 R30: A good recorder for digital input, but setting record levels for line
 or mic input is a pain, and they do not keep between discs so you have to
 reset them.
I normally just use the automatic setting and set the mike level to
either high or low sensitivity and forget it.  It works on most things
except real loud concerts.

 
 Sony vs. Sharp: End Search ('nuff said). 
End Search sucks.  I have lost more recorded material to it than I care
to mention.

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MD: which is the best new portable?

2000-05-09 Thread Antonio Banderas


Hey Billy
Minidisco is a pretty good company. I just got my Sharp 831 and it plays
Better than all the negative reviews I've read. There are some negatives but
like all
Things there anr pros and cons. I saw the R90 in a store and it is tiny. If
portability
is your concern then Sony is the way to go. But the sharp is a good buy.

I decided to order from MiniDisco.com, as I live in Canada and we are not
able to get most models of MiniDisc recorder, (the MZ-R70 is the latest
unit
Sony Store now stocks). However, I was unsure about which new unit I wanted
most, since R90 and R91 are only cosmetically different (and made from
different metal) and also the MiniDisco rep suggested I go with a Sharp
831.
In the end I settled on the 91, since the determining factor for the 831
would have been the PC-Link and the software is only in Japanese. I would
like to hear others' opinions. Which is the best new portable? Was the AIWA
FM80 worth checking out? Are there any new units from other big names?

Billy Hetherington
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Re: MD: Sharp MD-R3

2000-05-09 Thread Shawn R. Lin


Erik Arneson wrote:
 
 Howdy folks,
 
 I'm continuing to assemble my home stereo system, and the Sharp MD-R3
 has really caught my eye.  I'm wondering if anybody out there has one of
 these, and what they think of it.

I have one.  I think I've had it for about a year.  I really like it. 
The price was awesome too, only US$169 or 179 (can't remember).  Bought
it on Onsale.com brand new in sealed box.  I think they are now
egghead.com.  Titling from the remote is not very easy though.  But at
the time and at that price, it was perfect.  I replaced my CD player
with it, and discovered that the CD section gets much less use than the
MD section.

Shawn
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