Re: [MBZ] new thermostat plus diesel purge = better performance
That makes sense, connections corrode, resistance increases, wires I guess corrode a bit too. --R Marshall Booth wrote: It is seldom the gauge that's the problem. I have seen a sensor temp/resistance table but can't find one now (don't recall if I saw it in a workshop or diagnostic manual or in the TDM). It is USUALLY not the sensor that fails with age (although they DO sometimes fail) but much more likely the wire and connections that increase in resistance . Marshall
Re: [MBZ] new thermostat plus diesel purge = better performance
Just found this (I wrote it some several years ago). The temperature/resistance readings (from the MB Diesel Diagnostic Manual Vol 3) for the sensors used in 61x and 60x engines seem to be 20 deg. C (68 deg. F.) = 2.4k ohm (+/- 10%) and at 80 deg. C. (176 deg. F.)= 325 ohms (+/- 10%). A 10% error in the resistance (either over or under) is factory spec. That can translate into a reading of 5 degrees over or under at 100 deg C. So that from the factory, a reading of anywhere between 95 and 105 is acceptable (according to the MB nomograph) when the engine coolant at the sensor is 100 deg. C. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] a question for those who used to get their mail bounced
Wondering if those people whos mail used to bounce all the time causing them to get unsubbed from mbz.org still have those issues with this server? I know I have not been getting bounces. Most of them though are handled automatically. Once thing about this system though is that if somebody is getting their mail bounced and are automatically unsubbed, if you stop getting mail all the sudden you can log in and see if your mail delivery is suspended and can restart it by yourself. No wondering if the server went down for weeks on end. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Temp sender resistance readings (was: t-stat/purge)
Marshall, Those readings are for the sensors for the EDS system or other controls, but not for the dash gauge sensor. I have never been able to find factory documentation with readings for that sensor. My measurements, on about a half-dozen different ones (new and used), show approximately 700-900 ohms at room temperature (60-80F, or 15-25C). That's wy different than the specs you list below. Those numbers do match up with the readings for the EDS sensors though, at least on my cars. Your point about the variation is excellent, though. Add to that the people who pull off the needles to replace their gauge faces, or modify the gauge cluster, therefore negating the factory calibration and easily inducing a possible 0-5 degree inaccuracy...! An IR thermometer can be used to verify if the gauge is reasonably close to accurate, if you have one avaialble. :-) -dm -- Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:59:16 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] new thermostat plus diesel purge = better performance Just found this (I wrote it some several years ago). The temperature/resistance readings (from the MB Diesel Diagnostic Manual Vol 3) for the sensors used in 61x and 60x engines seem to be 20 deg. C (68 deg. F.) = 2.4k ohm (+/- 10%) and at 80 deg. C. (176 deg. F.)= 325 ohms (+/- 10%). A 10% error in the resistance (either over or under) is factory spec. That can translate into a reading of 5 degrees over or under at 100 deg C. So that from the factory, a reading of anywhere between 95 and 105 is acceptable (according to the MB nomograph) when the engine coolant at the sensor is 100 deg. C. Marshall
[MBZ] Blower motor
Hi, All. I'm about to remove the covers to get at the heater blower motor. Have RTFM, and the reduced archives, (now moved) and was wondering about removing the wiper assembly. Specifcally, the rubber seal around the gearbox that is pinched under the edge of the windshield. I took the assembly out of my organ donor 190E 85, peeled the seal out from under the edge of the glass and removed the whole thing to my workshop and still could not see how to remove the large plastic housing about the gearbox. Three screws in the bottom of the housing released one end of the cover, and then I chickened out, not wanting to destroy a good assembly. If any one can talk me through this (in words of one syllable) I shall be most grateful. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA 190D 84 Miles, lots 85 300TD 87 190DT
Re: [MBZ] 115 wheel question
My '76 300D owners manual lists disk wheels for both the 240D and the 300D with: 5 ½ X 14 with 175 SR 14 tires on the 240D and 6 X 14 with 185 HR 14 tires on the 300D. The exploded view parts book also only shows steel wheels. The EPC doesn't list the option codes for my old car, and only shows steel wheels. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] test
Hah I did not this time though it did fail yesterday.. thanks for the list I really love reading about my favorite car here.. douglas.. 1980 300D though I do need a black rear seat back.. - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] test you failed jgiels wrote: test to see if messages get through. douglas. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Re: Wanna buy a '92 S124 w/500hp OM606?
How deeply do the Feds look into an imported car - would they know it wsn't a stock Euro TD? On 6/14/05, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK... how about if we import it to Canada (eh!) first, then move it from there to the States? There's gotta be *some* way to get that masterpiece over here. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] Wanna buy a '92 S124 w/500hp OM606?
SO, could I put a diff from a 560SEL into the 300SDL and get limited slip? Any other parts needed? Mitch, you can get a factory limited-slip diff for your 116. You need to find one from a 6.9L in a salvage yard... also used in the late W126/5.6L combo, I believe. It ain't a Torsen but it will eliminate the one-wheel-peels. :-) -dm -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] OT: Spam
BT! Wrong! As Chuck said, beef, pork and chicken are big biz in HI. The Parker ranch IN HI and the King Ranch in TX are the 2 largest ranches in the USA, if not the world. The Dairy industry is also alive there. Huli Huli Chicken! Spam was around before WWII, but was not a big deal. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, most of the local beef, pork and chicken was diverted for military use. The locals were supplied with Spam. After 4 years of forced Spam diet, Spam became part of the Hawaiian culture and food. Loren Still part Hawaiian At 01:03 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: As I understand it, the reason is that since Hawaii is kind of lacking in the grazing pastures department, meat is rather expensive. Enter canned Spam.
Re: [MBZ] Please remove from list! OT
Loren, My two grandsons love Musubi It's breakfast and lunch sometimes. Never could get the taste for it myself. Going back at Christmas. Hopefully it'll be turkey instead. Take care, Chuck Phoenix, AZ
[MBZ] Gerry Reynolds unsubscribe
Unsubscribe, now it's too cumbersome without a digest. Gerry Reynolds '77 300D
[MBZ] Window noise
Hola amigos 1982 380SEL with a jillion miles and the drivers side window makes a horrible ratcheting noise when the window gets all the way to the top. Motor or switch? -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration
Re: [MBZ] Window noise
Don Teresa Merriman wrote: Hola amigos 1982 380SEL with a jillion miles and the drivers side window makes a horrible ratcheting noise when the window gets all the way to the top. Motor or switch? Regulator or gear problem. Motor and switch work fine, but the mechanics are skipping under load.
Re: [MBZ] Lookin' for wheels......
I parked beside a 1984 300SD this morning in the garage at work. I could probably get his wheels off after a few minutes of working at it... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 6/15/05, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all... I'm looking for some 126 15 inch wheels. Going to go back east for GWS Tri-O-Rama event at VIR. No good (track) tires available anymore for 14 inch/116 wheels. Altho, Hoosier from Tire Rack has some at $171/each.. NOT! Anybody have four 15 inchers laying around collecting dust??? Kumho has some that look good at about $50/each to go on those wheels. Let me know take care, Chuck 1980 300SD Phoenix, AZ ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
RE: [MBZ] Window noise
Regulator. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Teresa Merriman Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Window noise Hola amigos 1982 380SEL with a jillion miles and the drivers side window makes a horrible ratcheting noise when the window gets all the way to the top. Motor or switch? -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] admin of another list can't figure out how to do it
Uh, Kaleb, switch me to digest mode on this list. I can't do it. Since you have me as an administrator on the SL list, and have somehow biffed up my password settings for the Mercedes mailing list, all I get is a confirmation that I'm a subscriber, but can't use my password to change diddly squat. Sooo, please do the obvious, simple thing, and put me in digest mode on this list. Todd
RE: [MBZ] Congratulations, We Survived
Whoever penned this is not the brightest bulb in the socket. So we should carry on in our old foolish ways because someone who smoked/rode bikes w/o a helmet/drank and drove/survived a car crash without a seatbelt, etc survived? Not the greatest logic in the world. Gary
RE: [MBZ] Congratulations, We Survived
Well, obviously, we do have too many rules that subvert intelligent thinking. But when they start talking about smoking, eating bacon and eggs, blah, blah, blah and not having issues, it just goes against logical thinking. We ALL know someone that survived despite a terrible lifestyle but that ain't the norm. I don't want to get into statistical variances but there are lots of people who are several standard deviations out of the norm who live despite their best efforts at shortening their lives. Gary When you put it like that, surely not too bright. I think that what the author, and many people who read it, think is that society has become overcomplicated with overbearing rules that are meant to protect us from harm, but end up being more pain than they're worth. Tim 1982 300TD Moby
Re: [MBZ] Congratulations, We Survived
Schisler, Gary wrote: Whoever penned this is not the brightest bulb in the socket. So we should carry on in our old foolish ways because someone who smoked/rode bikes w/o a helmet/drank and drove/survived a car crash without a seatbelt, etc survived? Not the greatest logic in the world. It's easy to forget that the people who *didn't* survive aren't around to reminisce with us about how much better things used to be. ;)
[MBZ] Dragging brake mystery
My left rear brake is dragging. I'm sure of it. I can feel the heat coming off of it after a freeway run, and that wheel is covered with brake dust. If I jack it up, I can feel that it's tight. The dilemma: The brake caliper, rotor, and hoses on both rear brakes have been replaced in the last month. In fact, the problem started when they were replaced. I've taken it back to the shop that did the work, and they think I'm nuts -- they say the pads are moving freely and they can't find anything wrong. I guess I don't have much choice but to tear into it myself. Any suggestions on what to look for when I take it apart? --- David Brodbeck '83 Mercedes 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] Dragging brake mystery
No clue - you've hit all the obvious problems Unless it's a bad master cylinder... ouch. On 6/16/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My left rear brake is dragging. I'm sure of it. I can feel the heat coming off of it after a freeway run, and that wheel is covered with brake dust. If I jack it up, I can feel that it's tight. The dilemma: The brake caliper, rotor, and hoses on both rear brakes have been replaced in the last month. In fact, the problem started when they were replaced. I've taken it back to the shop that did the work, and they think I'm nuts -- they say the pads are moving freely and they can't find anything wrong. I guess I don't have much choice but to tear into it myself. Any suggestions on what to look for when I take it apart? --- David Brodbeck '83 Mercedes 300D Turbo ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1984 MB 300D Turbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Dragging brake mystery
Sunil Hari wrote: No clue - you've hit all the obvious problems Unless it's a bad master cylinder... ouch. Could a bad master cylinder cause only *one* brake to drag, though? I'd think that it'd have to be two on the same circuit. I'm suspicious that they're wrong about the pads moving freely, and that something is hanging up mechanically. Or that the rebuilt caliper they put on is bad. If it's that, I may have to do some convincing, since it's *supposed* to have a lifetime warranty. Another thought I had -- if the caliper weren't shimmed correctly to center it on the rotor, would that cause dragging? (Do Mercedes calipers even get shimmed that way? The skinnerbox site seems to be down.)
[MBZ] Adsit Company?
My '89 560 SEL is in need of a transmission. Does anyone have experience with Adsit Company (www.adsitco.com)? Background info: The car has 119k miles. Apparently the rear seal failed catastrophically. My wife didn't know, and by the time she got home the transmission was whining loudly. Refilling fluid only muffled the whine slightly, so I think at a minimum the torque convertor is shot. Thanks, Tom Gentry Life was too short for my transmission. __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html
Re: [MBZ] Adsit Company?
the transmissions are good but, from what i've been told by many people, the customer service leaves a lot to be desired gary At 02:52 PM 6/16/2005, you wrote: My '89 560 SEL is in need of a transmission. Does anyone have experience with Adsit Company (www.adsitco.com)? Background info: The car has 119k miles. Apparently the rear seal failed catastrophically. My wife didn't know, and by the time she got home the transmission was whining loudly. Refilling fluid only muffled the whine slightly, so I think at a minimum the torque convertor is shot. Thanks, Tom Gentry Life was too short for my transmission. __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Dragging brake mystery
David, What you describe is typical of a faulty brake flex line. Also a defective caliper can cause this, but that is less probable being that it is new. First off, I would recommend that you check to see that you did receive the new parts that you paid for. If your flex line seems to be dry rotted, then it is an old line that may be decomposing from the inside. I have never come across a brake master failing in a manner so that would cause the brakes to drag as you describe. Also, trace the hard metal brake line to the tee fitting by the diff. to ensure there is no damage that could be causing a restriction. Possibly, there is a kink in the line. When you have the car in the air, have someone hit the brakes repeatedly, and upon their releasing the pedal, see if there is drag on the wheel. Lastly, bleed the brakes and see if any particulate matter comes out. There is a good chance dirt got into the caliper or brake line during disassembly if the tech was not careful in their work. This could cause the fluid to release slowly causing the brake to drag. If your rotor is blued from the heat you will want to consider replacing it with the brake pads. That should be covered by the shop warrantee should this be caused by carelessness on their behalf. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com At 02:45 PM 6/16/2005, you wrote: My left rear brake is dragging. I'm sure of it. I can feel the heat coming off of it after a freeway run, and that wheel is covered with brake dust. If I jack it up, I can feel that it's tight. The dilemma: The brake caliper, rotor, and hoses on both rear brakes have been replaced in the last month. In fact, the problem started when they were replaced. I've taken it back to the shop that did the work, and they think I'm nuts -- they say the pads are moving freely and they can't find anything wrong. I guess I don't have much choice but to tear into it myself. Any suggestions on what to look for when I take it apart? --- David Brodbeck '83 Mercedes 300D Turbo ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Dragging brake mystery
Mathieu J. Cama wrote: What you describe is typical of a faulty brake flex line. Yes, I had that thought too. The lines were also deeply cracked, so I asked that they be replaced, hoping it would solve the problem. It didn't, but I haven't verified yet that I actually got the new lines. That's a good suggestion. Also, trace the hard metal brake line to the tee fitting by the diff. to ensure there is no damage that could be causing a restriction. Possibly, there is a kink in the line. Another excellent suggestion. I'll check it out as soon as I can.
Re: [MBZ] Congratulations, We Survived
Tim is on the right track there. I'm all for seat belts and airbags, but the points about kids living in front of CRT's, and not learning normal social interactions, is not insignificant. Something else alluded to is how the current generation has turned wants into needs. For example: I can't tell you how many times I hear how people HAVE to have a cell phone, or how their children HAVE to have a cell phone, so they can be contacted at will at any time. Ummm, so how did society manage to function at all before the early 1990's when cell phones became somewhat common? Ditto for people that HAVE to have one in case their car breaks down. Same question - did people rot and die on the side of the road in the past, before cell phones were available? Hmmm. IMO, if you're that far away from civilization when you break down, there's probably no cell tower around anyway. While there are always exceptions, IMO the current generation is largely (50%+) made up of spoiled brats who almost always get their way, and who dictate rules to their parents, rather than the other way around... makes you think back to what caused Rome to fall apart over multiple decades. Everyone seems to think 'it can't happen here'. I should probably stop there before I get all wound up. (Scary part is I'm only 31...!) O_o -dm -- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:08:47 -0400 From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Congratulations, We Survived When you put it like that, surely not too bright. I think that what the author, and many people who read it, think is that society has become overcomplicated with overbearing rules that are meant to protect us from harm, but end up being more pain than they're worth. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 6/16/05, Schisler, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever penned this is not the brightest bulb in the socket. So we should carry on in our old foolish ways because someone who smoked/rode bikes w/o a helmet/drank and drove/survived a car crash without a seatbelt, etc survived? Not the greatest logic in the world. Gary
Re: [MBZ] Adsit Company?
Adsit has the reputation of making almost every former customer wish they had never had any dealings with them - at least that the response from EVERYONE I know that has had anything except the simplest request. Their customer service is said to be obnoxious and unaccommodating. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] Congratulations, We Survived
Schisler, Gary wrote: Whoever penned this is not the brightest bulb in the socket. So we should carry on in our old foolish ways because someone who smoked/rode bikes w/o a helmet/drank and drove/survived a car crash without a seatbelt, etc survived? How is riding a bicycle without a foam hat comparable to drunk driving?
[MBZ] test
I am now going to change this email from receiving individual messages and re-subscribe to the digest. Just a test.
