Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

[Curt Raymond]

Phillip,

 

Its a 400watt blockheater, my 400watt inverter handles it with no worries. I 
use a 110ah marine battery and 20 minutes is plenty to start my car down to 
-15F out in the driveway. Cars don't suffer from windchill anyway.

At -20F an hour on the heater gets everything going just fine. I usually take 
the battery down and get everything connected up. Come back up and jump in a 
nice hot shower, eat breakfast and check my email. Then go down and start the 
car, leave it running while I bring the battery back upstairs and put it on the 
charger. If its -20F I'll maybe have another cup of coffee, I know its naughty 
but at -20F I like to have some heat... Contrary to what I've read on this list 
my car will develop enopugh heat to warm the cab at idle in 5-7 minutes. I have 
a 40 mile one way commute so I'm not terribly worried about any carbon 
developing in that time.

 

-Curt

 

Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:29:56 -0500
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rumor has it that Kevin wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 08:34:14AM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > Old style glowplugs so I'll 
> > want to convert. How well can one with converted glowplugs be 
expected to 
> > start in the cold? Right now at about 0F I start getting nervous 
('83 240D) 
> > and at -5F I've gotta put the block heater on which is a project 
because I 
> > live in a 3rd floor walkup with nowhere to plugin the car. I've got 
a 110ah 
> > marine battery and 400watt inverter that I haul down to the car and 
20 
> > minutes later it starts with no problems all the way down to -20F 
which is 
> > about as cold as it ever gets here.
> 
> After messing with series plugs last night, I think I like messing 
with
> them better than the parallel ones. SO SIMPLE. 

The relay circuit is simpler - but it in not that series is inherently
simpler than parallel.

The two problems I see with the series system Mercedes used:

  * About 1/2 of the heat created is in the "toaster" wires - outside
of the engine!!

  * Any problem with any connection or heater will affect _all_ the 
plugs,
not just the one with troubles.

> You know, with some creativity, you could use an RV charging system 
(allows
> charge but not discharge), and run dual batteries, leaving one for an 
onboard
> inverter for your block heater. The battery will charge up as you 
drive, as
> long as you don't do short trips with a 4000 watt ghetto blaster like 
Spud 
> has hooked up in his 300D :)

Hmmm.

That would take a _lot_ of battery.

The block heater is about 750 watts. With an inverter that is 100%
efficient (impossible) that is about 55 amps at 13.6 V !!!

My experience is the block heater is almost useless if it is powered 
for
less than 1 hour. By 2 hours, it's help is noticable; and 3-4 hours is
long enough for my garage-parked (no wind) cars for any temperatures I
find here in central Missouri.

So, to get 3 hours of full power you should prabably figure on at least
200 amp-hour batter capacity.

   Philip, dreaming of some day finding diesel-fire block 
   heaters - that cost _less_ than the car.


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So I assume it has the 3rd seat?

Christopher McCann wrote:

> Apparently the man I bought it from's grand 

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT, converting CD's to mp3

[David Brodbeck]

George Gregory wrote:


BZZZT

How many MACs have YOU personally had this problem with?

New or old?

What do you thing the paper-clip hole is for?
 

There is no paper clip hole I can see on a Mac Mini. I'm told iMacs 
don't have them, either.  Maybe it would interfere with the new-age 
styling that seems to be the main focus of those systems.


There's a lot I like about Apple, but their hardware design can be kind 
of bone-headed at times.  I still remember the intentionally crippled 
memory subsystem on the LCII I had.

Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Curt Raymond]

Awww man...

 

Here I was thinking I ought to come on and appologize for not seeing the humor 
in your post while a bunch of people did. Then I see this.

Without going into a big tirade I do not find this humorous in the slightest.

 

-Curt

 

Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:18:08 -0700
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Curt,
 These rules aren't only possible but are being implemented, as we 
speak, in
the newly formed state of pertopia. You, my homosexual friend, have no
vision.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?
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'Cause I crumpled my 240D recently, but I _think_ the
engine is almost all good (new radiator, ?; car no
longer in my possession, but I _think_ I could work w/
the guy who bought it from me for parts) and now
someone near me is selling a '79 300TD wagon w/ a
siezed up engine.  Since the previous replies have
more or less extinguished my idea, here's the listing
for anyone who wants an engine swap project:

http://seattle.craigslist.com/car/100349398.html

DG

--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Speaking as a 240D owner, why would you do that?
> 
> On 9/27/05, David Goldsmith
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> > Hi! What body type and transmission would a '79
> 300TD
> > wagon have and would either of these require
> > substantial modification to use an '82 240D
> engine?
> > Thanks!
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Zeitgeist]

No need to adjust the timing for B99, though I've advanced my OM603 2
degrees to 13 degrees ATDC for "other" purposes.  All of my diesel
powered vehicles have run just fine on B100 with no modifications
whatsoever...except for monitoring the fuel filters for the first few
thousand miles after initial treatment.

On 9/27/05, David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> PS: Assuming its timed right for petrol diesel, about
> how far forward should the timing be set for B99; or
> did these things have electronic timing control by
> '87?  Thanks again.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (209k)
'84 300D (204k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)

Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[LT Don]

And this would be your wife?

On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Connie is a "prayerful, careful driver"...she's gonna
> have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT
> will be something to see!
>
> Chris
>
> --- "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the
> > trap removed). Just
> > make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least
> > once every few
> > tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL
> > accumulate from periods of
> > light throttle and/or stop & go.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > -dm
> >
> > > --
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
> > >
> > > uh..."and driving one in the city extreme abuse!"
> > >
> > > Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan
> > for
> > > this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids
> > and
> > > groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more
> > miles
> > > of higway per capita than any other city, so you
> > are
> > > always on a highway going somewhere...Also will
> > use it
> > > for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is
> > it
> > > going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Chris
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> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1987 300TD, 145K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
>
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Re: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?

[LT Don]

Speaking as a 240D owner, why would you do that?

On 9/27/05, David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi! What body type and transmission would a '79 300TD
> wagon have and would either of these require
> substantial modification to use an '82 240D engine?
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [MBZ] haynes/chiltons/? manual for 87 300TD?

[LT Don]

Dude, I have one sitting in my lap right now that covers "Coupes / Sedans /
Wagons 1974 - 84 Repair Manual." Want to play Let's Make A Deal?

On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Doesn't seem to exist...or is it bunched in with other
> models that would not have shown up on a search.
>
> If it doesn't that makes it 0 for 3. Nothing in print
> for 85 300SD, 76 240D (W115) and now?
>
> Thanks for any references.
>
> Chris
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1987 300TD, 145K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
>
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Re: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?

[Mitch Haley]

David Goldsmith wrote:
> 
> Hi!  What body type and transmission would a '79 300TD
> wagon have and would either of these require
> substantial modification to use an '82 240D engine?
> Thanks!

I don't think a tranny tuned for the five cylinder will work
nicely with the 240D motor, although it might be possible to
adjust it to work. 
The TD suspension will not work with a non TD engine, only
the TD engines will have the facility to drive the hydraulic
pump for the suspension. I believe somebody on this list
got a euro 240D with towing package and wagon style suspension
last year, but I don't think he'll be in a hurry to part it out.

Re: [MBZ] OT, converting CD's to mp3

[John M McIntosh]

Well some macs didn't have paper-clip holes, mind the manual usually  
indicated if you could stick a paper-clip
in the CD slot edge somewhere instead. People forget Apple hasn't  
made custom drives for 10's of years now,
so they use the off the self millions per order of CD drives everyone  
else does.


Just because you can't mount the CD and see it in the finder doesn't  
mean you can eject it.
Most current mac operating systems would have an eject button on the  
keyboard or F15 or something to do
a keyboard eject, even under os-x there is a cmd line command to  
force an eject
with the last resort of a keyboard command to eject via the firmware  
at boot time.



On 27-Sep-05, at 4:08 PM, George Gregory wrote:


BZZZT

How many MACs have YOU personally had this problem with?

New or old?

What do you thing the paper-clip hole is for?

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John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 04:23:34PM -0700, David Goldsmith wrote:
> Hi!  What body type and transmission would a '79 300TD
> wagon have and would either of these require
> substantial modification to use an '82 240D engine? 

The first stumbling block I can think of would be the lack of a 'wagon
head' on the 240D's engine, which would require you doing something about
the autolevelling rear suspension.

K

[MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?

[David Goldsmith]

Hi!  What body type and transmission would a '79 300TD
wagon have and would either of these require
substantial modification to use an '82 240D engine? 
Thanks!

DG

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[MBZ] haynes/chiltons/? manual for 87 300TD?

[Christopher McCann]

Doesn't seem to exist...or is it bunched in with other
models that would not have shown up on a search.

If it doesn't that makes it 0 for 3. Nothing in print
for 85 300SD, 76 240D (W115) and now?

Thanks for any references.

Chris

Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 145K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT, converting CD's to mp3

[George Gregory]

BZZZT

How many MACs have YOU personally had this problem with?

New or old?

What do you thing the paper-clip hole is for?
 
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Ed Booher wrote:

>OpenFirmware, Baby! Hold down the mouse button while the Mac boots. CD
>ejects. LIKE MAGIC!
>  
>
 From what I've heard, that works 99% of the time.  The other 1% is a 
real pain.  When copy-protected CDs started coming out there was a rash 
of problems with iMacs locking up and refusing to eject them.  Apple 
refused to cover disassembling the computer and removing the CD under 
warranty, saying the fault was with the copy protection scheme.

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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Christopher McCann]

Connie is a "prayerful, careful driver"...she's gonna
have to learn to DRIVE IT LIKE SHE STOLE IT! Now THAT
will be something to see!

Chris

--- "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the
> trap removed). Just
> make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least
> once every few
> tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL
> accumulate from periods of
> light throttle and/or stop & go.
> 
> :)
> 
> -dm
> 
> > --
> > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
> >
> > uh..."and driving one in the city extreme abuse!"
> >
> > Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan
> for
> > this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids
> and
> > groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more
> miles
> > of higway per capita than any other city, so you
> are
> > always on a highway going somewhere...Also will
> use it
> > for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is
> it
> > going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle?
> >
> > Thanks, Chris
> 
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 145K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
a good deal).



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Re: [MBZ] More Trap oxidizer questions

[Peter Frederick]

Only the 1985-1987 cars had trap oxidizers, so no, you don't have an 
open recall.  You probably also have a different exhaust manifold, 
minus the long "return pipe" the 86-87 603 and 602 had.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT, converting CD's to mp3

[David Brodbeck]

Ed Booher wrote:


OpenFirmware, Baby! Hold down the mouse button while the Mac boots. CD
ejects. LIKE MAGIC!
 

From what I've heard, that works 99% of the time.  The other 1% is a 
real pain.  When copy-protected CDs started coming out there was a rash 
of problems with iMacs locking up and refusing to eject them.  Apple 
refused to cover disassembling the computer and removing the CD under 
warranty, saying the fault was with the copy protection scheme.

Re: [MBZ] MPG

[David Brodbeck]

Dave M. wrote:


Would be nice to replace my aging VW Dasher (which gets 40-45mpg
but is dangerously slow with only 48hp when new, and about 40hp
as-is...)
 

Considered re-engining it?  A 1.6L turbo (not a TDI, but the old 
indirect-injection kind) should be a drop-in replacement.  A 1.9L 
normally-aspirated or turbo engine would require exhaust modifications 
but should also fit nicely.

Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[David Brodbeck]

Curt Raymond wrote:

I'm in the right lane, pedal to the floor speeding up as fast as I can. The next 2 lanes over are generally busy so whomever was behind me is staying behind me to the top of the hill which is only about 1/4 - 1/2 mile. 


So at least once a week I'll get some jackass who absolutely can't wait. They 
always act the same. They'll start weaving back and forth in the lane, then 
they'll pull right up onto my back bumper, then they'll back off and lay on the 
horn. I always give them a friendly wave at that point.
 

I used to have a bumper sticker on my diesel Vanagon that said, "48 
HORSEPOWER - PLEASE, JUST PASS."  I figured people were less likely to 
get angry if I could get them laughing first.


I don't get angry at slow drivers, except for the ones who get panicky 
and hit the brakes on entrance ramps, when they should be speeding up.  
If they want to commit suicide that's fine, but they shouldn't get me 
involved. ;)

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT, converting CD's to mp3

[Ed Booher]

OpenFirmware, Baby! Hold down the mouse button while the Mac boots. CD
ejects. LIKE MAGIC!

On 9/27/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just don't try it with a badly scratched or copy-protected CD, or you
> might never get it back.  There are some lock-up bugs in the CD-ROM
> drives on Macs, and Apple is still the only computer manufacturer that
> doesn't provide *any* means of mechanically ejecting a CD that the drive
> won't eject itself.

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Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Kevin wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 08:34:14AM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > Old style glowplugs so I'll 
> > want to convert. How well can one with converted glowplugs be expected to 
> > start in the cold? Right now at about 0F I start getting nervous ('83 240D) 
> > and at -5F I've gotta put the block heater on which is a project because I 
> > live in a 3rd floor walkup with nowhere to plugin the car. I've got a 110ah 
> > marine battery and 400watt inverter that I haul down to the car and 20 
> > minutes later it starts with no problems all the way down to -20F which is 
> > about as cold as it ever gets here.
> 
> After messing with series plugs last night, I think I like messing with
> them better than the parallel ones. SO SIMPLE. 

The relay circuit is simpler - but it in not that series is inherently
simpler than parallel.

The two problems I see with the series system Mercedes used:

  * About 1/2 of the heat created is in the "toaster" wires - outside
of the engine!!

  * Any problem with any connection or heater will affect _all_ the plugs,
not just the one with troubles.

> You know, with some creativity, you could use an RV charging system (allows
> charge but not discharge), and run dual batteries, leaving one for an onboard
> inverter for your block heater. The battery will charge up as you drive, as
> long as you don't do short trips with a 4000 watt ghetto blaster like Spud 
> has hooked up in his 300D :)

Hmmm.

That would take a _lot_ of battery.

The block heater is about 750 watts. With an inverter that is 100%
efficient (impossible) that is about 55 amps at 13.6 V !!!

My experience is the block heater is almost useless if it is powered for
less than 1 hour. By 2 hours, it's help is noticable; and 3-4 hours is
long enough for my garage-parked (no wind) cars for any temperatures I
find here in central Missouri.

So, to get 3 hours of full power you should prabably figure on at least
200 amp-hour batter capacity.

   Philip, dreaming of some day finding diesel-fire block 
   heaters - that cost _less_ than the car.

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT, converting CD's to mp3

[David Brodbeck]

M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:


1.  Buy Mac.

2. Launch iTunes.

3. Insert CD.

4.  Hit 'Import' button.
 

Just don't try it with a badly scratched or copy-protected CD, or you 
might never get it back.  There are some lock-up bugs in the CD-ROM 
drives on Macs, and Apple is still the only computer manufacturer that 
doesn't provide *any* means of mechanically ejecting a CD that the drive 
won't eject itself.

Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D Idle Cable

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Tom wrote:

> Anyone give me a quick play by play to replace this cable please.  I know 
> how to adjust the clearances at the throttle, just need advise on fishing 
> new cable in and disconnecting existing plastic adjustment knob.

I don't rememeber if a 77 300 is W115 or W123...

On my 1981 W123, the plastic knob just pulls off. It's very stiff, but
it is just a press-fit. The chrome bezel under the black plastic knob is
threaded onto a collar on the gearbox that sits behind the dash. The
gearbox is peremenantly attached to the cable, so the new cable has to
be fed from under the dash to under the hood. Oh, the under-dash cover
panel does have to be removed.

I'm remembering that it took me less than 1/2 hr to take out the old one
and put in the new one.

Philip, hoping my memory's not too far gone...

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[David Goldsmith]

Thanks everyone.  Yeah, I kind of knew they were
exaggerating.  Actually, it's a used
Merc/Bimmer/Jag/Porche specialty shop/dealer, and
there's much else wrong w/ the car: lots of electrical
stuff don't work, e.g., the CC, the rear windows, the
sun roof, the power antenna, the headlight wipers,
etc., (obviously, I suspected the fuses, so I checked
those but none were obviously blown), but it drives
nice - it being a service place, I suspect they did
the minimum to make the car run ok, then put 'er on
craiglist to try to minimize their losses.  I'm going
to Blue Book it and think 'er over.

DG

PS: Assuming its timed right for petrol diesel, about
how far forward should the timing be set for B99; or
did these things have electronic timing control by
'87?  Thanks again.

--- "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the 124 gets good fuel economy for weighing close to
> 5,000lbs, but 35mpg is
> insane...i never get that much, and if im pushing
> it, forget it!
> 
> On 9/27/05, David Goldsmith
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks. This is in reference to a Seattle area
> > craiglist. The lister claims the car gets approx.
> 35
> > mpg (see below). I'm incredulous - should I be?
> >
> > DG
> >
> >  Original Message  Subject:
> > Re: '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel - $3995
> > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:45:13 -0400
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > how about 35 mpg give or take.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David L Goldsmith
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:52:43 -0700
> > Subject: '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel - $3995
> >
> > "Great fuel economy" = ?
> >
> > DG
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Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Gabriel S.]

Curt,
 These rules aren't only possible but are being implemented, as we speak, in
the newly formed state of pertopia. You, my homosexual friend, have no
vision.

 On 9/27/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Who's rules?
>
>
>  #2. Is pretty much impossible... How can I get to 75mph in 200 yards?
> > > Even in my Dodge Dakota 250hp 318ci thats not gonna happen. Besides which
> > > it'd kill mileage. you must live in the land of short on ramps
> >
> >
>
>
>
> #3. Another stupid rule, why not? I've driven plenty of SUVs and driven
> plenty of miles in the passing lane. Driving behind a minivan or SUV is
> like driving behind a wall, you can't see anything...making it dangerous to
> drive...i think this has been on the news a few times.
>
>
>
> #4. Might as well add to this one "the police, victims, and rescue workers
> will appreciate being buffeted by the extra wind of you flying past and will
> of course feel safer because of your added speed". Rubberneckers cause
> lost time and money due to the traffic they create...I've actually heard
> that in parts of Texas they cover the accident...can any of you Texans
> attest to that?
>
>
>
> #5. Whoa, one I actually agree with.
>
>
>
> #6. Yeah, pull across 2 lanes of traffic without powersteering or the
> power to accelerate, feel safe, nobody will hit you. Just because you're
> too much of a wimp to steer without powersteering doesen't mean the average
> high school girl can't!
>
>
>
> #7. If somebody hits me I get charged until the tow truck gets there? You
> should be aware of your surrounding and ready to avoid somone hitting you as
> do I on a fairly frequent basis.
>
>
>
> #8. Why three? If we're going to charge $1,000 for somebody who doesn't
> cause an accident why not just randomly suspend people license because they
> might have an accident someday? People is plurl people. People is plural.
>
>
>
> #9. Sure, because at 10mph theres obviously not gonna be anybody needing
> the breakdown lane to be broken down in. Moron, they do it in the autoban.
>
>
>
> #10. Whatever - my 10 year old sister say that alot--"whatever"
>
>
>
> Gabriel, I have to hand it to you, you know how to write an interesting
> post, and with such regularity. I haven't decided yet if you're doing it on
> purpose and just don't put in emoticons to let us know you're making a joke
> or if you're not aware, but i will tell you this...i do look like a horse's
> butt after eating a bad batch of hay.
>
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:51:07 -0700
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)
> To: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> here are the rules:
> 1. If you drive slow stay to the right.
> 2. When coming into an onramp be at the same speed as the freeway
> before
> the onramp ends.
> 3. SUV's, mini vans and high profile vehicles aren't allowed in the
> fast
> lane...PERIOD
> 4. Don't slow down or look at accidents...accelerate past them.
> 5. In case of an accident and if your car still runs, do not leave
> your car
> in the middle of the freeway.
> 6. If you break down don't fix your flat in the center shoulder...pull
> to
> the right and if possible get off the freeway
> 7. If you are involved in an accident you will be charged $1,000 per
> hour
> of traffic caused. If you are at fault you will be charged double.
> 8. Three accidents and your license will be suspended for 5 years.
> 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall
> become
> lanes.
> 10. Cell phones aren't allowed.
> 11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will
> be
> shot on the spot by the CHP
> 12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow! - Au Contraire!

[Marshall Booth]

G.E. wrote:
the rear end has a higher gear ratio on the 115 than it does on the 123... 
thats probably a good part of it


The 115 240D had a 3.69 rear and the 123 240D had a 3.69 rear!! The 115 
220D had a 3.92 or 4.08


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 05:02:35PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote:
> Gabriel S. wrote:
> > the 124 gets good fuel economy for weighing close to 5,000lbs, but 35mpg is
> > insane...i never get that much, and if im pushing it, forget it!
> 
> A 124.133 (300D) weighs in at 3366 lb and a 124.193 (300TD) at 3663 lb.

I was going to say. There's no way that my 300D weighs more than a grand
wagoneer, a crown victoria, or even the 65 F250.

K

Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow! - Au Contraire!

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that B wrote:

> TYPO - The W123 feels heavier than the W115, not vice
> versa.


Acording to my data book (Mercedes-Benz Diesel Automobiles by Robert
Nitske)

*   W115W123
axle ratio  3.693.69
weight, USA 3205 lb 3210 lb ('77)
3120 lb ('80)
0-100 km/hr 24.6 sec24.6 sec, manual trans.


>From the factory, I'd say there's little difference. However, after
20-30 years, any number of thing can cause differences. Injectors,
compression, injector pump, cam wear, cam timing, transmission, etc. can
all have an effect on how it accelerates.

Philip, who has no W115 to compare - but each of his
W123s is different!

Re: [MBZ] wagon rear window wiper

[Marshall Booth]

Richard Hattaway wrote:

The blade is just at tad too long.  Mind did the same thing.

Some judicial trimming of the blade insert will fix the problem.  In
the meantime, the wiper mechanism is taking quite a beating when the
blade contacts the window seal and lifts off the glass.


Never had a problem with mine if I used a proper size replacement blade. 
Occasionally if I put in a wiper refill and messed up the direction of 
the metal stiffeners there would be a problem.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Marshall Booth]

Gabriel S. wrote:

the 124 gets good fuel economy for weighing close to 5,000lbs, but 35mpg is
insane...i never get that much, and if im pushing it, forget it!


A 124.133 (300D) weighs in at 3366 lb and a 124.193 (300TD) at 3663 lb.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Gabriel S.]

thats true, but i still don't think japanese cars are all they are hyped up
to be.

On 9/27/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The Civic is an economy car, cost what like $15k new? In todays dollars
> how much would your Benz be? 175k on an economy car is pretty dammed good.
>
> Consider also how much the Civic weighs. To get weight down while still
> adding stuff like airbags the metalurgy has to be stretched somewhere.
>
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:59:27 -0700
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clones?
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> My honda civic and motorcycle (CR250) were both pieces of shit...seems
> like
> honda metals are very brittle...the bottom casing of my motorcycle
> crumpled
> while tightning the oil screw...the rod that holds the engine hood on
> my
> civic also crumples...when this happens it breaks in half and the part
> sticking up ends up denting the hood from the inside outi've seen
> many
> civics with the same dent in the same spot. My air conditioning broke
> about
> a week after my warranty was over and transmission went out at around
> 175K
> (my benz has 230K+ and the tranny still goes). The manifold/catalic
> converter cracked twice and my friends (girl) engine just gave
> completely.
> My girlfriend has a toyota truck ('03) and the AC also went out right
> after
> warranty...my friend also has an '03 tacoma and the interior is shit
> and the
> back shocks have had to have been replaced twice.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] wagon rear window wiper

[Dave M.]

Hi John,

Mercedes changed the front wiper arm length, which requires a
different length wiper blade. If you get the OE parts from the dealer
or Rusty, it's not a big deal. But if you use Bosch aftermarket, their
24" blade only fits the late style properly, and is a little too long
for the early wipers. Best solution for this is to toss the Bosch
blade and buy an OE "Genuine Mercedes" blade, plus a few refills.
(Yes, they are refillable, although it doesn't look like it.) I
finally figured this out with some help from the list a year or two
ago. I'm not sure what the model year break is... I assume all 86-89
are early and all 94-95 are late, but I'd need to peek at the EPC for
the 90-93 years.

Now, I just noticed you said this was the REAR window wiper on a
wagon. I don't know if Mercedes pulled another fast one, changing
lengths on us... but it wouldn't surprise me if the aftermarket blade
has the connection point in a different spot than OE, causing a
similar problem to the front. If so, the solution is the same. If you
buy from Rusty, make sure you specify that you want OE parts, not
aftermarket.

:-)

-dave m.

> --
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Hattaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon rear window wiper
>
> The blade is just at tad too long.  Mind did the same thing.
>
> Some judicial trimming of the blade insert will fix the problem.  In
> the meantime, the wiper mechanism is taking quite a beating when the
> blade contacts the window seal and lifts off the glass.
>
> Richard
>
> --- John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I had visited my local car mart and picked up a bosch wiper assembly
> >
> > for the rear of the 92 wagon and fitted it.
> > This morning I noticed it's not sweeping the upper say 1 or 2 inchs
> > of the top of the window, the blade does not
> > make contact with the glass very well.
> >
> > Do I need to bent the wiper arm all to heck, or fiddle with the wiper
> >
> > blade assembly? Or is this just the way things are?
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> > 1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> > 1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> > 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] wagon rear window wiper

[John M McIntosh]

Well no I have the right size blade, it doesn't touch or get close to  
the upper window frame.
stopping it when it is upright shows the top 1 to 2 inches is just  
not touching the glass.
Bent things and fiddled a bit, but couldn't get it to co-operate.  
Maybe I'll try another

brand of blade and see what happens.

On 27-Sep-05, at 1:15 PM, Richard Hattaway wrote:


The blade is just at tad too long.  Mind did the same thing.

Some judicial trimming of the blade insert will fix the problem.  In
the meantime, the wiper mechanism is taking quite a beating when the
blade contacts the window seal and lifts off the glass.

Richard

--- John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I had visited my local car mart and picked up a bosch wiper assembly

for the rear of the 92 wagon and fitted it.
This morning I noticed it's not sweeping the upper say 1 or 2 inchs
of the top of the window, the blade does not
make contact with the glass very well.

Do I need to bent the wiper arm all to heck, or fiddle with the wiper

blade assembly? Or is this just the way things are?



John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow! - Au Contraire!

[G.E.]

the rear end has a higher gear ratio on the 115 than it does on the 123... 
thats probably a good part of it

isildur

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, B Dike wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> 
> An auto 240D is not necessarily slow.  Our 75 (W115)
> isn't head-snapping fast, but is easily quick enough
> to maneuver and stay ahead of traffic.  It has a great
> crisp motor and tranny.  It seems to be geared low,
> not sure, but it definitely feels nimble and
> responsive.
> 
> On the other hand, the 77 240D (W123, manual) was
> abysmally slow when I got it last year.  It is
> steadily improving with M1 and hard driving but has a
> long way to go to catch up with the W115.  I think it
> is heavier than the W123, at least it feels that way. 
> I drove another W123 240D the other day and it was a
> slug, although the owner crowed about its strong
> motor.  But I know of at least one 240D that isn't
> slow.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Glad you came out alive 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > www.kegkits.com
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:09 AM
> > To: Mercedes mailing list
> > Subject: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> > 
> > Yes, I know, old news to most of you.  But I'd never
> > driven one for any
> > significant length of time until my indy lent me one
> > for two days while
> > working on my 124.  Now I know what "drive it like
> > you stole it"
> > REALLY means!  It maintained cruising speed just
> > fine on the flat, but it's
> > pretty disconcerting to floor the loud pedal at any
> > speed over 50 or so and
> > have basically nothing to speak of happen unless you
> > have a few minutes to
> > wait.  I'm impressed with the gumption of people who
> > drive these on a
> > regular basis, especially if it's in a place with
> > high-speed cutthroat
> > freeway traffic.
> > 
> > Alex Chamberlain
> > '87 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Gabriel S.]

the 124 gets good fuel economy for weighing close to 5,000lbs, but 35mpg is
insane...i never get that much, and if im pushing it, forget it!

On 9/27/05, David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks. This is in reference to a Seattle area
> craiglist. The lister claims the car gets approx. 35
> mpg (see below). I'm incredulous - should I be?
>
> DG
>
>  Original Message  Subject:
> Re: '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel - $3995
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:45:13 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> how about 35 mpg give or take.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David L Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:52:43 -0700
> Subject: '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel - $3995
>
> "Great fuel economy" = ?
>
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[MBZ] 300D fuel consumption

[RELNGSON]

<>

I think it should do a bit better. My '78 300D under about the same 
conditions could reach 28.5mpg although it had fewer miles at the time. 
However, on the 
trip quoted, there weren't too many grades to climb.

And, I know for a fact that pump timing was spot on and the injectors were 
all adjusted properly with good spray patterns.

RLE/28.5 Mercedes mpg nothing but a memory, now.

Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Dave M.]

Hi Chris,

I wouldn't sweat it. Make sure the coolant tank is clean and doesn't
show signs of oil in there. The #14 head could last a long time before
you need to replace it (if ever!).

It's generally wise not to use WOT until the engine reaches operating
temp, however you also should not let it idle more than 30 seconds or
so after startup. Just drive away gently after oil pressure
stabilizes. No cooldown is needed unless it's right after a period of
full load, like stopping at the top of a steep grade.

More importantly, watch the temp gauge when test driving... should be
in the 85-95C range and should not go over 100C unless it's *hot* out,
or you're doing a top-speed run. Temps over 110C almost always
indicate a cooling system problem that needs attention (which could be
a simple as dirt & bugs in the condenser fins.)


--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 94kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline)

===
On 9/27/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ugh - just talked to the seller and Rotkaeppchen has a
> #14 head...as does his wife's 603 with 400,000 miles.
> He says it's the trap, not the head...well, whatever.
> The problem I can see is that he guttted the trap WHEN
> HE GOT THE CAR 4 years ago (21,000 miles ago). That
> means the trap was on for 120,000+ miles...I hope it's
> not screwed up already.
>
> He DID advise driving it nice and easy till it gets to
> temp and nice and easy to give a little cool down
> after it is hot b/c of the Aluminum head - is that
> wise or overkill? I normally do that anyway with my
> SD, except teh cool down part.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christopher
>

Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:51:07AM -0700, Gabriel S. wrote:
> here are the rules:
>  11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will be
> shot on the spot by the CHP

Not shot, but a few creative rural cops have been known to pull these
people over and issue citations for illegal light facing the rear. One 
actually got a misdemeanor for illegal blue - left the blue splash screen
up for several miles.

>  12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy

But really really fun to watch in the snow. Californians don't drive well
in the snow, and Caltrans hasn't quite figured out how to make icy roads
less dangerous. People cruising up to tahoe with their 24" wheels and wide
tires are really entertaining on icy highways :)

K

[MBZ] I-Tunes

[RELNGSON]

I updated to I-Tunes 5.0.1 last night (free upgrade). Those may not be the PC 
version numbers but Apple has been issuing updates frequently of late. 
Several have been IPod related. Not being an Ipoder, I skip those. I think last 
night's update was 12.3MB which took a while on dialup.

Comcast starts next month.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Dave M.]

Yes, you should be incredulous. That number is nearly impossible to
obtain with normal driving. Expect 28-30mpg, maybe a tad more at best.
He is probably estimating, or doing the math wrong. Incorrect tire
size could also affect things. If it's near 30mpg then the engine is
running quite well. When my reserve light turns on around 450 miles
and I generally drive to 500 and fill up (17.x gallons), that usually
equates to 29mpg give or take a few tenths.

I assume you already saw this from the post yesterday, but in case not:
http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/124.1x3_buying_tips.txt


:-)

Dave M
Boise, ID


> --
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel
>
> Hi, folks.  This is in reference to a Seattle area
> craiglist.  The lister claims the car gets approx. 35
> mpg (see below).  I'm incredulous - should I be?
>
> DG

[MBZ] 1977 300D Idle Cable

[Tom Scordato]

Anyone give me a quick play by play to replace this cable please.  I know 
how to adjust the clearances at the throttle, just need advise on fishing 
new cable in and disconnecting existing plastic adjustment knob.


thanks Tom Scordato 1977 300D 260K miles> 

Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Christopher McCann]

Ugh - just talked to the seller and Rotkaeppchen has a
#14 head...as does his wife's 603 with 400,000 miles.
He says it's the trap, not the head...well, whatever.
The problem I can see is that he guttted the trap WHEN
HE GOT THE CAR 4 years ago (21,000 miles ago). That
means the trap was on for 120,000+ miles...I hope it's
not screwed up already.

He DID advise driving it nice and easy till it gets to
temp and nice and easy to give a little cool down
after it is hot b/c of the Aluminum head - is that
wise or overkill? I normally do that anyway with my
SD, except teh cool down part.

Thanks,

Christopher

--- "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My 617 also likes to keep some pressure in the
> system when cold, but
> it's not the 15-20psi that I observed with the 603
> cracked heads. I
> wouldn't worry about it on a 61x engine, or even
> 601/602, unless there
> are other symptoms. On a 603 however I'd be
> monitoring the situation
> very closely.
> 
> Some of you may remember Justin Dobbs from a
> previous MB email list,
> who had the perssure syndrome and ignored it, as
> most people do. About
> a year later it started using coolant and then
> hydrolocked. I think he
> ended up getting a used engine to swap in, something
> about damage to
> the block surface (I forget though.) I think I heard
> of nearly a dozen
> failed heads in the past 18 months or so, from the
> email list and
> various MB web forums.
> 
> FWIW, a brand new head is about $1600 (wholesale)
> from Rusty... less
> than half that for a good used #17 head.
> 
> =)
> 
> -dm
> 
> > --
> > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:01:21 -0700
> > From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
> >
> > My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the
> cooling system for long
> > periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of
> overheating or coolant loss
> > to date.  Until I observe some other signs of
> cooling system
> > anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both
> engine types like I
> > "stole em".
> >
> > MMMV unter Druck
> >
> > Casey
> > Olympia, WA
> 
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 145K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D power steering vibration

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 12:01:25PM -0700, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> Lately on cold mornings my 300D is exhibiting a slight vibration when
> turning the steering wheel, independent of road speed.  It feels
> almost like the boost is coming and going at a constant rate of five
> or ten Hz.  If this were an engine with separate accessory drive
> belts, I'd immediately suspect a loose or slipping power steering
> belt, but this is a 603 (with the one serpentine belt).  The PS fluid
> level is right and the fluid itself looks and smells normal, although
> I don't know when it was last changed, if ever.  Any other
> suggestions?  Is my PS pump dying?

Probably the power steering filter needs replacing. I'd replace it sooner
than later (before it gets worse and cavitates the pump), especially since it's
cheap.

K

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:35:46AM -0700, David Goldsmith wrote:
> Hi, folks.  This is in reference to a Seattle area
> craiglist.  The lister claims the car gets approx. 35
> mpg (see below).  I'm incredulous - should I be?

Mine is good for 31-32 reliably. Cruising through arizona on I-40 gave a 
best of 34, but this was due to two important factors:
  - high altitude through that area
  - fuel not bought in the people's republic of california specially engineered
to make you burn more fuel so the state can collect more fuel taxes to
fund communism

I have a hard time believing 35 regularly, especially if he spends ANY time
around town (unless he swapped in a 602).

K

Re: [MBZ] wagon rear window wiper

[Richard Hattaway]

The blade is just at tad too long.  Mind did the same thing.

Some judicial trimming of the blade insert will fix the problem.  In
the meantime, the wiper mechanism is taking quite a beating when the
blade contacts the window seal and lifts off the glass.

Richard

--- John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had visited my local car mart and picked up a bosch wiper assembly 
> 
> for the rear of the 92 wagon and fitted it.
> This morning I noticed it's not sweeping the upper say 1 or 2 inchs  
> of the top of the window, the blade does not
> make contact with the glass very well.
> 
> Do I need to bent the wiper arm all to heck, or fiddle with the wiper
>  
> blade assembly? Or is this just the way things are?
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

[Kevin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 08:34:14AM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Kaleb posted a '69 220D from eBay the other day, its in my area so I asked 
> the guy for more pictures. The one picture on eBay looks really nice so I'm 
> thinking this might be a good car to own, assuming the blower motor works 
> and I don't mind having somebody else change the oil (twist my arm).
> Anything else I should know about those cars? Old style glowplugs so I'll 
> want to convert. How well can one with converted glowplugs be expected to 
> start in the cold? Right now at about 0F I start getting nervous ('83 240D) 
> and at -5F I've gotta put the block heater on which is a project because I 
> live in a 3rd floor walkup with nowhere to plugin the car. I've got a 110ah 
> marine battery and 400watt inverter that I haul down to the car and 20 
> minutes later it starts with no problems all the way down to -20F which is 
> about as cold as it ever gets here.

After messing with series plugs last night, I think I like messing with
them better than the parallel ones. SO SIMPLE. Kudos to Don for pegging 
the carbon issue - carboned up #2. I'll find out later this week if I got it
all or if I need to beat it with a stick again.

You know, with some creativity, you could use an RV charging system (allows
charge but not discharge), and run dual batteries, leaving one for an onboard
inverter for your block heater. The battery will charge up as you drive, as
long as you don't do short trips with a 4000 watt ghetto blaster like Spud 
has hooked up in his 300D :)

K

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting Help Needed

[Kevin]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 11:34:11PM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > 
> > If the voltage is correct, turn everything in the car off and then connect
> > a light bulb in series with the ground lead to the battery. If the light
> > bulb glows, you have a drain. Pull fuses until the bulb goes out, then
> > investigate the circuits for the last fuse you pulled.
> 
> If the car has automatic climate control, my bet is the servo isn't parking.
> That fuse may be in an inline holder separate from the fuse box.

That would have been my guess also, but the ACC didn't appear in W123s until
78, and even then, only in 300Ds. I don't know if the wagons ever got it,
didn't get that far into the reading last night.

K, about to tear apart a parts servo with a cracked case

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[John M McIntosh]

Well I can say that my S500 got 21 mpg (the highest ever) at 90 - 100  
mph.

epa rating is 13, 17, 15
That car *like* higher speeds

On 27-Sep-05, at 12:23 PM, Donald Snook wrote:


So I think this car really likes to run at
higher speeds.



John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

[MBZ] (no subject)

[Donald Snook]

Marshall wrote:

 

"124.133 - maybe downhill with a tail wind (or driving at a steady 35-45


mph). Dave M sometimes gets 32. A '90s 300D 2.5 can deliver 35 as can a 

'95 E300D"

 

I concur with this. I have a 90 300D 2.5 I recently took it on a 1000
mile trip. I drive fast.  I got 35.5 mpg on one stretch through Kansas
and Oklahoma (pretty flat obviously).  Every check was over 30. I
managed 32.6 for the whole trip.  When I am on the Kansas Turnpike I run
minimum 80 max approx 90.  So I think this car really likes to run at
higher speeds. Of all four MB diesels I have had, this car gets the best
mileage for me.

 

I have no idea what my in town mileage.  I don't drive that much unless
I take a long trip. So, in a normal month without an out of town trip, I
will fill up once. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook  1990 300 D 2.5 247K 

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

 

Re: [MBZ] MPG

[John Ervine]

Marshall Booth wrote:

Directly from the Mercedes literature - fuel consumption of a 190D 2.0 
automatic will be 30% greater per mile at 75 mph than at 56 mph. For a 
240D it will be 38% worse.


That correlates with what I've seen in my '80 300TD.  55mph easily nets 27mpg, 
but keep it pegged between 80-85mph and it's 20 and change - I hit 21mpg only if 
the stretch of road is mostly level, sloped downhill with few uphill climbs, or 
I have a nice tailwind.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

[tom savage]

Curt Raymond wrote:


Tom,

 


How can you tell?


By the VIN - it is a w115.010; a 220D is a w115.110.  At least up until 
the late '90s or so, the fourth digit of the chassis number for sparkers 
was always 0, and smokers were 1.


Tom

[MBZ] Rotk?ppchen der Br?der Grimm - WE HAVE A NAME!

[Christopher McCann]

That settles it - that's the name and here's the whole
story for anyone wanting to brush up their Deutschen
sprecht (I obvisouly just make it up as I go, never
studied German...but know critical words like schiese
(learned that from Gramma!) und kaltwasserstand):

http://www.fln.vcu.edu//grimm/rotkaeppchen.html

Chris


Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 145K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
a good deal).



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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Dave M.]

My 617 also likes to keep some pressure in the system when cold, but
it's not the 15-20psi that I observed with the 603 cracked heads. I
wouldn't worry about it on a 61x engine, or even 601/602, unless there
are other symptoms. On a 603 however I'd be monitoring the situation
very closely.

Some of you may remember Justin Dobbs from a previous MB email list,
who had the perssure syndrome and ignored it, as most people do. About
a year later it started using coolant and then hydrolocked. I think he
ended up getting a used engine to swap in, something about damage to
the block surface (I forget though.) I think I heard of nearly a dozen
failed heads in the past 18 months or so, from the email list and
various MB web forums.

FWIW, a brand new head is about $1600 (wholesale) from Rusty... less
than half that for a good used #17 head.

=)

-dm

> --
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:01:21 -0700
> From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
>
> My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long
> periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss
> to date.  Until I observe some other signs of cooling system
> anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I
> "stole em".
>
> MMMV unter Druck
>
> Casey
> Olympia, WA

Re: [MBZ] OT God Satisfaction Survey

[Dan Weeks]

I laughed so hard and long at this I nearly suffocated! My golden 
retriever thought I was dying and became frantic trying to save me! 
Good thing I don't have a heart condition. Cheese Louise, that's 
funny.


--
Dan Weeks
82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 182k
82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k

Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[John Ervine]

Curt Raymond wrote:


I get the most honks where RT 2 and 495 meet in Littleton, MA.


Ah.  See, there's your problem.  Massachusetts has the worst drivers this side 
of Lebanon.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] '87 300D power steering vibration

[Marshall Booth]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Lately on cold mornings my 300D is exhibiting a slight vibration when
turning the steering wheel, independent of road speed.  It feels
almost like the boost is coming and going at a constant rate of five
or ten Hz.  If this were an engine with separate accessory drive
belts, I'd immediately suspect a loose or slipping power steering
belt, but this is a 603 (with the one serpentine belt).  The PS fluid
level is right and the fluid itself looks and smells normal, although
I don't know when it was last changed, if ever.  Any other
suggestions?  Is my PS pump dying?


I'd change the PS fluid and filter. Either use the genuine MB PS fluid 
or Mobil 1 ATF if there's ATF in your system (regular ATF is a bit too 
stiff in cold weather). If there's still a problem check the steering 
shock. You COULD do it in the reverse order too ;-)


If that doesn't do it, then you get into serious front end suspension stuff!

Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm

Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Dave M.]

It will work fine as an errand vehicle (with the trap removed). Just
make sure it gets a good Italian tuneup at least once every few
tankfuls to clear out the carbon that WILL accumulate from periods of
light throttle and/or stop & go.

:)

-dm

> --
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
>
> uh..."and driving one in the city extreme abuse!"
>
> Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for
> this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and
> groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles
> of higway per capita than any other city, so you are
> always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it
> for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it
> going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle?
>
> Thanks, Chris

Re: [MBZ] MPG (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Dave M.]

Wow. I've got to consider getting a 190D-T as a commuter car. It's
almost as fast as the 300D but with a 20% gain in MPG. And, it's a
candidate for an intercooler to boost power from 125hp up to 150hp
with no loss in freeway MPG. Too bad they're so blasted difficult to
find! Would be nice to replace my aging VW Dasher (which gets 40-45mpg
but is dangerously slow with only 48hp when new, and about 40hp
as-is...)

Good point about the torque converter factor, btw... I forgot about that.

:)

--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 94kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 258kmi (Sportline)

On 9/27/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave's experiences with the economy of OM60x.96 turbo engines are
> similar to mine. They do not drop nearly as fast at high speeds as their
> normally aspirated cousins. My 190D 2.0, 5 spd can deliver well in
> excess of 45 mpg at speeds of 40-50, but at 70 that will drop to 40 and
> at 80 drop to the mid to high 30s. My 190D 2.5 turbo (125 vs 72 hp for
> the 2.0) automatic will deliver mid to high 30s at 80+ mph (and it's a
> lot more fun to drive at high speeds). My 190D 2.5 normally aspirated
> car (when it was still an automatic before I converted it to a 5 spd)
> would deliver little better than 32-34 mpg on the highway and at 80 it
> was closer to or below 30. With the 5 spd in it, I've gotten into the
> low/mid 40s (high 30s more usual). At a steady 100 mph my 300TD does not
> drop more than 1-2 mpg below it's normal 29-30 mpg average for 65-75 mph
> driving.
>
> PART of the economy with automatics relates to the characteristics/stall
> speed of the torque converters. These are VERY different in different
> models and years.
>
> Marshall

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[John M McIntosh]

I had asked this question about my 92 300TDt and was told, if I might  
summarize, that
getting on average 30 mpg (usa gallon) was a very nice number to  
obtain, I don't see those
number but we are working on it. So 35 mpg seems to be pushing the  
math. 20% rounding error?


epa rating were 25 city, 30 highway, 27 combined

PS ask him for his spreadsheet showing the calculations.


On 27-Sep-05, at 11:35 AM, David Goldsmith wrote:


Hi, folks.  This is in reference to a Seattle area
craiglist.  The lister claims the car gets approx. 35
mpg (see below).  I'm incredulous - should I be?

DG

 Original Message Subject:
  Re: '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel - $3995
   Date:   Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:45:13 -0400
 From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
References:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

how about 35 mpg give or take.

-Original Message-
From: David L Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:52:43 -0700
Subject: '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel - $3995

"Great fuel economy" = ?

DG
--
HMRD/ORR/NOS/NOAA


John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] MPG (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

I realize I am working with a very small data set, but I seemed to get
better fuel economy running 80 mph than I did running 65 mph when I was
coming back from the last OkieQ. [Speed limits kept getting progressively
slower as I drove north.]


You may have just been getting better and better fuel as you went north!

On any one trip, sometimes the numbers get very strange, but when you 
average them together over many years, the pattern is VERY apparent. 
With a 240D, I'd expect fuel economy at 80 mph to be at least 15-20% 
lower than at 55 mph.


Directly from the Mercedes literature - fuel consumption of a 190D 2.0 
automatic will be 30% greater per mile at 75 mph than at 56 mph. For a 
240D it will be 38% worse.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
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[MBZ] prior Mobil 1 problems

[BillR]

Bill,

Exactly what kind of problems have you had with synthetic oil? I've had
nothing but positive experiences in my Dodge pickup that I converted at
120k, my 300TD at 230k and 240D at 208k.

On a new to me car I'd do a change with conventional oil and run maybe 2,000
miles before doing the switch, then on the first change or two I'd probably
only go 5,000 miles. After that I'd have no hesitation about my usual 6,000
mile changes (240D, highway driven, no analysis so thats a conservative
change interval).

-Curt

'83 240D "Hammie" 245kmi

As best I recall [it was probably 20 years ago] I had a high mileage Mazda
929 [finally limped in as a trade at 268k].  Switched to Mobil 1 at about
92K and almost immediately started having problems [two sets of lifters].
The other possibility is that it was my Bonneville at 120K [traded at 192K].
Don't recall - my brain has retired also I think.  It is possible that the
problems had nothing to do with the Mobil 1, but I knew absolutely nothing
about cars then and still do not [I am wondering if my son's aptitude for
mechanics comes from the milk man].  What I do recall is assurances from my
then mechanic that Mobil 1 was the cause.  Might have been dwarves.  Ask me
about ethics or theology or third world development issues - much easier
than mechanics.  I really couldn't afford the stuff back then so wasn't
inclined to do further experiments.  Sorry I have no hard data for you.
GOOD NEWS - my second new engine has arrived at the shop and "looks really
really good."  Should be back on the road by Thursday.
BillR  Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  the EM   265K / @185K engine

Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Curt Raymond]

The Civic is an economy car, cost what like $15k new? In todays dollars how 
much would your Benz be? 175k on an economy car is pretty dammed good.

Consider also how much the Civic weighs. To get weight down while still adding 
stuff like airbags the metalurgy has to be stretched somewhere.

 

-Curt

 

Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:59:27 -0700
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My honda civic and motorcycle (CR250) were both pieces of shit...seems 
like
honda metals are very brittle...the bottom casing of my motorcycle 
crumpled
while tightning the oil screw...the rod that holds the engine hood on 
my
civic also crumples...when this happens it breaks in half and the part
sticking up ends up denting the hood from the inside outi've seen 
many
civics with the same dent in the same spot. My air conditioning broke 
about
a week after my warranty was over and transmission went out at around 
175K
(my benz has 230K+ and the tranny still goes). The manifold/catalic
converter cracked twice and my friends (girl) engine just gave 
completely.
My girlfriend has a toyota truck ('03) and the AC also went out right 
after
warranty...my friend also has an '03 tacoma and the interior is shit 
and the
back shocks have had to have been replaced twice.



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Lately on cold mornings my 300D is exhibiting a slight vibration when
turning the steering wheel, independent of road speed.  It feels
almost like the boost is coming and going at a constant rate of five
or ten Hz.  If this were an engine with separate accessory drive
belts, I'd immediately suspect a loose or slipping power steering
belt, but this is a 603 (with the one serpentine belt).  The PS fluid
level is right and the fluid itself looks and smells normal, although
I don't know when it was last changed, if ever.  Any other
suggestions?  Is my PS pump dying?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[David Goldsmith]

I'm going to look @ the car now (though certainly not
going to buy it on the spot) but if you want to text
me your opinion, it's
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> Hi, folks.  This is in reference to a Seattle area
> craiglist.  The lister claims the car gets approx.
> 35
> mpg (see below).  I'm incredulous - should I be?
> 
> DG
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> how about 35 mpg give or take. 
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Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Curt Raymond]

Who's rules?


#2. Is pretty much impossible... How can I get to 75mph in 200 yards? Even in 
my Dodge Dakota 250hp 318ci thats not gonna happen. Besides which it'd kill 
mileage.

 

#3. Another stupid rule, why not? I've driven plenty of SUVs and driven plenty 
of miles in the passing lane.

 

#4. Might as well add to this one "the police, victims, and rescue workers will 
appreciate being buffeted by the extra wind of you flying past and will of 
course feel safer because of your added speed".

 

#5. Whoa, one I actually agree with.

 

#6. Yeah, pull across 2 lanes of traffic without powersteering or the power to 
accelerate, feel safe, nobody will hit you.

 

#7. If somebody hits me I get charged until the tow truck gets there?

 

#8. Why three? If we're going to charge $1,000 for somebody who doesn't cause 
an accident why not just randomly suspend people license because they might 
have an accident someday?

 

#9. Sure, because at 10mph theres obviously not gonna be anybody needing the 
breakdown lane to be broken down in.

 

#10. Whatever

 

Gabriel, I have to hand it to you, you know how to write an irritating post, 
and with such regularity. I haven't decided yet if you're doing it on purpose 
and just don't put in emoticons to let us know you're making a joke or if 
you're not aware.

 

-Curt

 

 

Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:51:07 -0700
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here are the rules:
 1. If you drive slow stay to the right.
 2. When coming into an onramp be at the same speed as the freeway 
before
the onramp ends.
 3. SUV's, mini vans and high profile vehicles aren't allowed in the 
fast
lane...PERIOD
 4. Don't slow down or look at accidents...accelerate past them.
 5. In case of an accident and if your car still runs, do not leave 
your car
in the middle of the freeway.
 6. If you break down don't fix your flat in the center shoulder...pull 
to
the right and if possible get off the freeway
 7. If you are involved in an accident you will be charged $1,000 per 
hour
of traffic caused. If you are at fault you will be charged double.
 8. Three accidents and your license will be suspended for 5 years.
 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall 
become
lanes.
 10. Cell phones aren't allowed.
 11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will 
be
shot on the spot by the CHP
 12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy


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I had visited my local car mart and picked up a bosch wiper assembly  
for the rear of the 92 wagon and fitted it.
This morning I noticed it's not sweeping the upper say 1 or 2 inchs  
of the top of the window, the blade does not
make contact with the glass very well.

Do I need to bent the wiper arm all to heck, or fiddle with the wiper  
blade assembly? Or is this just the way things are?



John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[Marshall Booth]

David Goldsmith wrote:

Hi, folks.  This is in reference to a Seattle area
craiglist.  The lister claims the car gets approx. 35
mpg (see below).  I'm incredulous - should I be?


124.133 - maybe downhill with a tail wind (or driving at a steady 35-45 
mph). Dave M sometimes gets 32. A '90s 300D 2.5 can deliver 35 as can a 
'95 E300D


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] More Trap oxidizer questions

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:

Marshall wrote:

 

"The factory issued a recall for trap oxidizers in 1996-'97 - and it's 

still in effect for all US delivered cars. They remove the trap and 

replace the entire exhaust system in 124 series cars" 

 


I called that number and all they could tell me was that there were no
open recalls.   I have a 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo. Did my car even come with
a trap oxidizer (originally)?  


Only US delivered 3 liter turbodiesel engines equipped with trap 
oxidizers were recalled. All of those engines were delivered between 
1985 and 1987 and MOST of the 3 liter engines sold in the US in '85 and 
'86 did NOT traps (in '85 and '86 only California certified cars had traps).


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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[Curt Raymond]

Heck no, if I'm in the passing lane I'm actually passing.

 

I get the most honks where RT 2 and 495 meet in Littleton, MA. I come around 
the cloverleaf at 35mph and accelerate as fast as I can onto 495. If I can 
merge immediately I can be at 65mph by the top of the hill which isn't 
screaming acceleration but is a steady increase. So what happens pretty 
frequently is that I'm in the right lane, pedal to the floor speeding up as 
fast as I can. The next 2 lanes over are generally busy so whomever was behind 
me is staying behind me to the top of the hill which is only about 1/4 - 1/2 
mile. 

So at least once a week I'll get some jackass who absolutely can't wait. They 
always act the same. They'll start weaving back and forth in the lane, then 
they'll pull right up onto my back bumper, then they'll back off and lay on the 
horn. I always give them a friendly wave at that point.

As soon as theres an opening they SHOOT by me usually with the horn blaring and 
middle finger raised. Then I'll watch as they bob and weave through traffic 
only to inevitably get cutoff by some slow moving truck or something. They work 
so hard and gain so little...

 

-Curt

Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:34:43 -0700
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
To: LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list
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hey curt, do you drive slow in the fast lane? Maybe that's whats 
pissing
people off...i know it gets under my skin

On 9/27/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> There is a word for your new method of driving -- maturity (sometimes
> called
> "getting older").
>
> On 9/27/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The mindset of most of the driving public baffles me. I've been
> commuting
> > with my 240D manual for 2 1/2 years now 80 miles a day largely 
highway.
> > Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around 65mph 
and
> > trying to ease up to that speed. Whats really crazy are the people 
who
> will
> > honk the horn and flip me off and then fight their way over into 
the
> passing
> > lane. Quite often when I get off the highway I'm right behind a guy 
who
> 20
> > minutes earlier was totally pissed that I was holding him up. Whoa 
he
> sure
> > saved some time there.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Curt
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Approx. 35mpg from an '87 Mercedes 300D TURBO Diesel

[David Goldsmith]

Hi, folks.  This is in reference to a Seattle area
craiglist.  The lister claims the car gets approx. 35
mpg (see below).  I'm incredulous - should I be?

DG

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how about 35 mpg give or take. 
 
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"Great fuel economy" = ?

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[MBZ] More Trap oxidizer questions

[Donald Snook]

Marshall wrote:

 

"The factory issued a recall for trap oxidizers in 1996-'97 - and it's 

still in effect for all US delivered cars. They remove the trap and 

replace the entire exhaust system in 124 series cars" 

 

I called that number and all they could tell me was that there were no
open recalls.   I have a 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo. Did my car even come with
a trap oxidizer (originally)?  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT God Satisfaction Survey

[LT Don]

Thanks, Andrew, that was some badly needed humor.

Re: [MBZ] Who refinishes/restores intirior trim?

[Alan Duff]

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wrote :
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> The most satisfactory solution has been to replace the wood with NEW 
> parts from the factory (while they are still available).

I've gotten some very good used pieces from Potomac German.

http://www.mbpartsonline.com/

Alan Duff
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Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

[Curt Raymond]

Tom,

 

How can you tell?

I didn't even notice that it didn't say 220D until somebody else mentioned it 
and I went back and checked.

 

-Curt

 

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Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mercedes-Benz_W0QQitemZ4578223230QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That's a gasser.

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Anyone in California wanna loan me thier 240 in exchange for a 124 for a
couple days?

On 9/27/05, B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Gentlemen,
>
> An auto 240D is not necessarily slow. Our 75 (W115)
> isn't head-snapping fast, but is easily quick enough
> to maneuver and stay ahead of traffic. It has a great
> crisp motor and tranny. It seems to be geared low,
> not sure, but it definitely feels nimble and
> responsive.
>
> On the other hand, the 77 240D (W123, manual) was
> abysmally slow when I got it last year. It is
> steadily improving with M1 and hard driving but has a
> long way to go to catch up with the W115. I think it
> is heavier than the W123, at least it feels that way.
> I drove another W123 240D the other day and it was a
> slug, although the owner crowed about its strong
> motor. But I know of at least one 240D that isn't
> slow.
>
> Bruce
>
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> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
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> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:09 AM
> > To: Mercedes mailing list
> > Subject: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> >
> > Yes, I know, old news to most of you. But I'd never
> > driven one for any
> > significant length of time until my indy lent me one
> > for two days while
> > working on my 124. Now I know what "drive it like
> > you stole it"
> > REALLY means! It maintained cruising speed just
> > fine on the flat, but it's
> > pretty disconcerting to floor the loud pedal at any
> > speed over 50 or so and
> > have basically nothing to speak of happen unless you
> > have a few minutes to
> > wait. I'm impressed with the gumption of people who
> > drive these on a
> > regular basis, especially if it's in a place with
> > high-speed cutthroat
> > freeway traffic.
> >
> > Alex Chamberlain
> > '87 300D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow! - Au Contraire!

[B Dike]

TYPO - The W123 feels heavier than the W115, not vice
versa.

--- B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> 
> An auto 240D is not necessarily slow.  Our 75 (W115)
> isn't head-snapping fast, but is easily quick enough
> to maneuver and stay ahead of traffic.  It has a
> great
> crisp motor and tranny.  It seems to be geared low,
> not sure, but it definitely feels nimble and
> responsive.
> 
> On the other hand, the 77 240D (W123, manual) was
> abysmally slow when I got it last year.  It is
> steadily improving with M1 and hard driving but has
> a
> long way to go to catch up with the W115.  I think
> it
> is heavier than the W123, at least it feels that
> way. 
> I drove another W123 240D the other day and it was a
> slug, although the owner crowed about its strong
> motor.  But I know of at least one 240D that isn't
> slow.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Glad you came out alive 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
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> > www.kegkits.com
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:09 AM
> > To: Mercedes mailing list
> > Subject: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> > 
> > Yes, I know, old news to most of you.  But I'd
> never
> > driven one for any
> > significant length of time until my indy lent me
> one
> > for two days while
> > working on my 124.  Now I know what "drive it like
> > you stole it"
> > REALLY means!  It maintained cruising speed just
> > fine on the flat, but it's
> > pretty disconcerting to floor the loud pedal at
> any
> > speed over 50 or so and
> > have basically nothing to speak of happen unless
> you
> > have a few minutes to
> > wait.  I'm impressed with the gumption of people
> who
> > drive these on a
> > regular basis, especially if it's in a place with
> > high-speed cutthroat
> > freeway traffic.
> > 
> > Alex Chamberlain
> > '87 300D
> > 
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> 
> Bruce
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> 75 240D 185kmi 'Theirs' (Back in Commission)
> 77 240D 199kmi 'The Brown Car'
> 
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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Christopher McCann]

uh..."and driving one in the city extreme abuse!"

Is that extreme abuse even with trap removed? Plan for
this vehicle is to be wife's errand vehicle (kids and
groceries around town)...luckily KCMO has more miles
of higway per capita than any other city, so you are
always on a highway going somewhere...Also will use it
for family trips (Wisconsin, South Carolina)...is it
going to irreperably suffer as an errand vehicle?

Thanks, Chris


--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marshall Booth wrote:
> > 
> > MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail
> unless abused. 
> 
> To clarify - I consider driving an OM603.96 WITH a
> trap oxidizer in 
> place abuse of the engine and driving one in the
> city extreme abuse!
> 
> Marshall
> -- 
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> questions)
>"der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2
> 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
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> GWSection
>  http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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-1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[Gabriel S.]

BRAVO! BRAVO!

On 9/27/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mac typed:
>
> "Green eggs and ham, my inbox is full of dull Mercedes spam!"
>
> My apoligies ahead of time to the good Dr
>
> I will drive no other car
> I like my old diesel best by far
>
> Everytime before I go
> I must make sure the plugs will glow
> Living here in hot AZ
> The glowing time is short for me
>
> As people pass they point and joke
> "It must be an old car...look at it smoke"
> I always will tell them...and I am no liar
> You wish your exhaust smelled like a deep fat fryer
>
> I get passed by a man on a jog
> Cars go 'round me like a scalded dog
> When we sit at stoplights they really scoff
> 'Cause it's Italian Tune-ups when I take off.
> This is quite fun, I tell you the truth
> I do it each time for Old Dr. Booth
>
> For all of her maintenance I keep detailed charts
> I call Kaleb and Rusty for all of my parts
> I wash her and wax her and park out of the sun
> No dino juice for me...it must be Mobil 1
>
> When I get looked at by people in fine raiment
> I tell them I'm glad I don't have their Hummer payment
> Long after their cars begin to corrode
> And they frequently will have to be towed
> Their accounts, because of payments, will errode
> My pride in my car will then explode
> Because I will still be klatta klatta down the road.
>
> Bob Rentfro
> '77 300D 140K
> Litchfield Park, AZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Potter, Tom E]

Add one more: In any troika (three cars traveling abreast), the two on
the left will be shot on sight.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave M.
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:59 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)


Excellent! I'd edit #10 to read more like "people talking on cell
phones will be shot on sight by CHP" but that's about it. (I'm not
just against using them while driving, I refuse to own one at all...
just don't have a need for one since I'm not in my own business!)

=)

-dm

On 9/27/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> here are the rules:
>
> 1. If you drive slow stay to the right.
>
> 2. When coming into an onramp be at the same speed as the freeway
before the
> onramp ends.
>
> 3. SUV's, mini vans and high profile vehicles aren't allowed in the
fast
> lane...PERIOD
>
> 4. Don't slow down or look at accidents...accelerate past them.
>
> 5. In case of an accident and if your car still runs, do not leave
your car
> in the middle of the freeway.
>
> 6. If you break down don't fix your flat in the center shoulder...pull
to
> the right and if possible get off the freeway
>
> 7. If you are involved in an accident you will be charged $1,000 per
hour of
> traffic caused. If you are at fault you will be charged double.
>
> 8. Three accidents and your license will be suspended for 5 years.
>
> 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall
become
> lanes.
>
> 10. Cell phones aren't allowed.
>
> 11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will
be
> shot on the spot by the CHP
>
> 12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy
>
>
>
>
> On 9/27/05, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have a problem with this unless you are poking along a
freeway
> > onramp. The onramp near me feeds into an interstate with a 75mph
speed
> > limit. If you're saving fuel with a light foot, and are only up to
> > 45mph by the time you reach the freeway, and I'm stuck behind you
> > forced to merge into 80mph traffic with a 35mph differential... yeah
> > I'll be a little peeved. That's not just stupid it's dangerous. I've
> > even seen people come to a STOP at the end of the onramp with the
> > blinker on!!! (Seriously!)
> >
> > Once you're safely on the freeway I don't care how fast or slow
you're
> > going as long as you're not blocking the flow of traffic. That
> > includes not taking 5 minutes to pass someone who's going 64mph
while
> > you're going 65mph. You'd think this would be common sense, but as
the
> > saying goes, it's quite uncommon...
> >
> > O_o
> >
> > -dm
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:24:51 -0700
> > > From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> > >
> > > Curt mentioned:
> > >
> > > "Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around
65mph"
> > >
> > > I also drive nearly 80 miles on my commute. Setting the cruise on
78
> gets me
> > > two things: 1) frequently flipped off, and 2) 24MPG. Remembering I
have
> a
> > > 300D, does that seem correct? At what speed have yous guys noted
300Ds
> > > getting their optimum MPGs? Does 24MPG at 78-80 MPH seem right?
> (FWIW...I
> > > usually dislike fuel economy threads but my curiosity is getting
the
> best of
> > > me)
> > >
> > > Bob Rentfro
> > > '77 300D 140K
> > > Litchfield Park, AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow! - Au Contraire!

[B Dike]

Gentlemen,

An auto 240D is not necessarily slow.  Our 75 (W115)
isn't head-snapping fast, but is easily quick enough
to maneuver and stay ahead of traffic.  It has a great
crisp motor and tranny.  It seems to be geared low,
not sure, but it definitely feels nimble and
responsive.

On the other hand, the 77 240D (W123, manual) was
abysmally slow when I got it last year.  It is
steadily improving with M1 and hard driving but has a
long way to go to catch up with the W115.  I think it
is heavier than the W123, at least it feels that way. 
I drove another W123 240D the other day and it was a
slug, although the owner crowed about its strong
motor.  But I know of at least one 240D that isn't
slow.

Bruce

--- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glad you came out alive 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:09 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> 
> Yes, I know, old news to most of you.  But I'd never
> driven one for any
> significant length of time until my indy lent me one
> for two days while
> working on my 124.  Now I know what "drive it like
> you stole it"
> REALLY means!  It maintained cruising speed just
> fine on the flat, but it's
> pretty disconcerting to floor the loud pedal at any
> speed over 50 or so and
> have basically nothing to speak of happen unless you
> have a few minutes to
> wait.  I'm impressed with the gumption of people who
> drive these on a
> regular basis, especially if it's in a place with
> high-speed cutthroat
> freeway traffic.
> 
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Seperation, threads (sic)

[Gabriel S.]

oh "ha ha" i didn't get it lol

On 9/26/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> tire seperation...when the threads come off the tire
>
> On 9/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > <,I thought that seperation occured only with re-treads.>>
> >
> > To whom do you refer?
> >
> > RLE
>
> That was humor, Gabriel.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Ed Booher]

On 9/27/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> here are the rules:
>  12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy

But a 116 with 25" spinners is just plain classy.

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Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Marshall Booth]

Gabriel S. wrote:

here are the rules:
 1. If you drive slow stay to the right.
 2. When coming into an onramp be at the same speed as the freeway before
the onramp ends.
 3. SUV's, mini vans and high profile vehicles aren't allowed in the fast
lane...PERIOD
 4. Don't slow down or look at accidents...accelerate past them.
 5. In case of an accident and if your car still runs, do not leave your car
in the middle of the freeway.
 6. If you break down don't fix your flat in the center shoulder...pull to
the right and if possible get off the freeway
 7. If you are involved in an accident you will be charged $1,000 per hour
of traffic caused. If you are at fault you will be charged double.
 8. Three accidents and your license will be suspended for 5 years.
 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall become
lanes.
 10. Cell phones aren't allowed.
 11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will be
shot on the spot by the CHP
 12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy


Well at least you've included one execution offense ;-) I might add a 
few more after careful consideration.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] tool, left side, right side.

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Always from the drivers position, LH side.

On 9/27/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've tool to adjust an issue with door latch on the w124, but I note
> it's marked L for left side. There is a tool marked R for right
> side, btw and they are not interchangeable.
> Question is from a mechanics viewpoint, is L (left) for driver side?
>
>
> John
> 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1992 300TDt 148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] MPG (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Marshall Booth]

Dave M. wrote:

The MPG vs. MPH curve varies a lot by model. The non-turbo cars with
low (high numerical) gears will probably get best MPG in the 50-65mph
range, I'd guess. Turbo cars will bump that up a tad, partially
because they usually have taller (lower numerical) gears. However all
the OM61x engines, of any vintage, model, or axle ratio are hard
pressed to hit 30mpg unless all the stars are aligned and the moon's
gravitational pull is aiding your forward travel.

The newer OM60x engines, combined with even taller gearing, can get
amazing economy even at a steady 85-90mph. A couple of times I got
30mpg on a trip where I probably *averaged* near 80 and had some
extended cruising at 85-95 (out in the desert with nothing but
tumbleweeds around). My car normally gets 29-30mpg and the all-time
peak was about 32, IIRC. You'd think that cruising at 90 would drop
the numbers to mid-20's but on the 1987 300D, it doesn't. I'd love to
repeat the test at a steady 110mph but unless Montana brings back
their fabled 'reasonable & prudent' laws, that ain't likely


Dave's experiences with the economy of OM60x.96 turbo engines are 
similar to mine. They do not drop nearly as fast at high speeds as their 
normally aspirated cousins. My 190D 2.0, 5 spd can deliver well in 
excess of 45 mpg at speeds of 40-50, but at 70 that will drop to 40 and 
at 80 drop to the mid to high 30s. My 190D 2.5 turbo (125 vs 72 hp for 
the 2.0) automatic will deliver mid to high 30s at 80+ mph (and it's a 
lot more fun to drive at high speeds). My 190D 2.5 normally aspirated 
car (when it was still an automatic before I converted it to a 5 spd) 
would deliver little better than 32-34 mpg on the highway and at 80 it 
was closer to or below 30. With the 5 spd in it, I've gotten into the 
low/mid 40s (high 30s more usual). At a steady 100 mph my 300TD does not 
drop more than 1-2 mpg below it's normal 29-30 mpg average for 65-75 mph 
driving.


PART of the economy with automatics relates to the characteristics/stall 
speed of the torque converters. These are VERY different in different 
models and years.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[Bob Rentfro]

Mac typed:

"Green eggs and ham, my inbox is full of dull Mercedes spam!"

My apoligies ahead of time to the good Dr

I will drive no other car
I like my old diesel best by far

Everytime before I go
I must make sure the plugs will glow
Living here in hot AZ
The glowing time is short for me

As people pass they point and joke
"It must be an old car...look at it smoke"
I always will tell them...and I am no liar
You wish your exhaust smelled like a deep fat fryer

I get passed by a man on a jog
Cars go 'round me like a scalded dog
When we sit at stoplights they really scoff
'Cause it's Italian Tune-ups when I take off.
This is quite fun, I tell you the truth
I do it each time for Old Dr. Booth

For all of her maintenance I keep detailed charts
I call Kaleb and Rusty for all of my parts
I wash her and wax her and park out of the sun
No dino juice for me...it must be Mobil 1

When I get looked at by people in fine raiment 
I tell them I'm glad I don't have their Hummer payment

Long after their cars begin to corrode
And they frequently will have to be towed
Their accounts, because of payments, will errode
My pride in my car will then explode
Because I will still be klatta klatta down the road.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 140K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Zeitgeist]

My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long
periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss
to date.  Until I observe some other signs of cooling system
anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I
"stole em".

MMMV unter Druck

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (209k)
'84 300D (204k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (185K)

Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Gabriel S.]

My honda civic and motorcycle (CR250) were both pieces of shit...seems like
honda metals are very brittle...the bottom casing of my motorcycle crumpled
while tightning the oil screw...the rod that holds the engine hood on my
civic also crumples...when this happens it breaks in half and the part
sticking up ends up denting the hood from the inside outi've seen many
civics with the same dent in the same spot. My air conditioning broke about
a week after my warranty was over and transmission went out at around 175K
(my benz has 230K+ and the tranny still goes). The manifold/catalic
converter cracked twice and my friends (girl) engine just gave completely.
My girlfriend has a toyota truck ('03) and the AC also went out right after
warranty...my friend also has an '03 tacoma and the interior is shit and the
back shocks have had to have been replaced twice.

On 9/26/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gabriel S. wrote:
> > i don't give honda or toyota very high marks...I've owned both...i think
> > japanese cars were thought of as being good only because american cars
> (at
> > the time) were so crappy.
>
> I've heard rumors that the quality of Hondas and Toyotas has slipped
> since they started manufacturing them in the U.S. I don't know if
> there's some truth to that, or if it's just propeganda from people who
> want to deride the American work ethic.
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Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Dave M.]

Excellent! I'd edit #10 to read more like "people talking on cell
phones will be shot on sight by CHP" but that's about it. (I'm not
just against using them while driving, I refuse to own one at all...
just don't have a need for one since I'm not in my own business!)

=)

-dm

On 9/27/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> here are the rules:
>
> 1. If you drive slow stay to the right.
>
> 2. When coming into an onramp be at the same speed as the freeway before the
> onramp ends.
>
> 3. SUV's, mini vans and high profile vehicles aren't allowed in the fast
> lane...PERIOD
>
> 4. Don't slow down or look at accidents...accelerate past them.
>
> 5. In case of an accident and if your car still runs, do not leave your car
> in the middle of the freeway.
>
> 6. If you break down don't fix your flat in the center shoulder...pull to
> the right and if possible get off the freeway
>
> 7. If you are involved in an accident you will be charged $1,000 per hour of
> traffic caused. If you are at fault you will be charged double.
>
> 8. Three accidents and your license will be suspended for 5 years.
>
> 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall become
> lanes.
>
> 10. Cell phones aren't allowed.
>
> 11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will be
> shot on the spot by the CHP
>
> 12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy
>
>
>
>
> On 9/27/05, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have a problem with this unless you are poking along a freeway
> > onramp. The onramp near me feeds into an interstate with a 75mph speed
> > limit. If you're saving fuel with a light foot, and are only up to
> > 45mph by the time you reach the freeway, and I'm stuck behind you
> > forced to merge into 80mph traffic with a 35mph differential... yeah
> > I'll be a little peeved. That's not just stupid it's dangerous. I've
> > even seen people come to a STOP at the end of the onramp with the
> > blinker on!!! (Seriously!)
> >
> > Once you're safely on the freeway I don't care how fast or slow you're
> > going as long as you're not blocking the flow of traffic. That
> > includes not taking 5 minutes to pass someone who's going 64mph while
> > you're going 65mph. You'd think this would be common sense, but as the
> > saying goes, it's quite uncommon...
> >
> > O_o
> >
> > -dm
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:24:51 -0700
> > > From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> > >
> > > Curt mentioned:
> > >
> > > "Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around 65mph"
> > >
> > > I also drive nearly 80 miles on my commute. Setting the cruise on 78
> gets me
> > > two things: 1) frequently flipped off, and 2) 24MPG. Remembering I have
> a
> > > 300D, does that seem correct? At what speed have yous guys noted 300Ds
> > > getting their optimum MPGs? Does 24MPG at 78-80 MPH seem right?
> (FWIW...I
> > > usually dislike fuel economy threads but my curiosity is getting the
> best of
> > > me)
> > >
> > > Bob Rentfro
> > > '77 300D 140K
> > > Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Gabriel S.]

here are the rules:
 1. If you drive slow stay to the right.
 2. When coming into an onramp be at the same speed as the freeway before
the onramp ends.
 3. SUV's, mini vans and high profile vehicles aren't allowed in the fast
lane...PERIOD
 4. Don't slow down or look at accidents...accelerate past them.
 5. In case of an accident and if your car still runs, do not leave your car
in the middle of the freeway.
 6. If you break down don't fix your flat in the center shoulder...pull to
the right and if possible get off the freeway
 7. If you are involved in an accident you will be charged $1,000 per hour
of traffic caused. If you are at fault you will be charged double.
 8. Three accidents and your license will be suspended for 5 years.
 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall become
lanes.
 10. Cell phones aren't allowed.
 11. People with headset DVD playing while no one is watching them will be
shot on the spot by the CHP
 12. Trucks with 25" rims are cheesy


 On 9/27/05, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't have a problem with this unless you are poking along a freeway
> onramp. The onramp near me feeds into an interstate with a 75mph speed
> limit. If you're saving fuel with a light foot, and are only up to
> 45mph by the time you reach the freeway, and I'm stuck behind you
> forced to merge into 80mph traffic with a 35mph differential... yeah
> I'll be a little peeved. That's not just stupid it's dangerous. I've
> even seen people come to a STOP at the end of the onramp with the
> blinker on!!! (Seriously!)
>
> Once you're safely on the freeway I don't care how fast or slow you're
> going as long as you're not blocking the flow of traffic. That
> includes not taking 5 minutes to pass someone who's going 64mph while
> you're going 65mph. You'd think this would be common sense, but as the
> saying goes, it's quite uncommon...
>
> O_o
>
> -dm
>
>
> > --
> > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:24:51 -0700
> > From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
> >
> > Curt mentioned:
> >
> > "Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around 65mph"
> >
> > I also drive nearly 80 miles on my commute. Setting the cruise on 78
> gets me
> > two things: 1) frequently flipped off, and 2) 24MPG. Remembering I have
> a
> > 300D, does that seem correct? At what speed have yous guys noted 300Ds
> > getting their optimum MPGs? Does 24MPG at 78-80 MPH seem right?
> (FWIW...I
> > usually dislike fuel economy threads but my curiosity is getting the
> best of
> > me)
> >
> > Bob Rentfro
> > '77 300D 140K
> > Litchfield Park, AZ
>
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Re: [MBZ] clones?

[John M McIntosh]

I think people forget that the success of  Japanese manufacturing is  
due to W. Edwards Deming influence in making the Japanese  
statistically account for
any problem with things they make and strive towards perfection. One  
would think that any issues with american built toyota would be  
flagged and fixed immediately.


Ignoring it on purpose is of course possible.

In fact a friend of mine who had purchased a new Toyota minivan and  
had is wife put 50K  miles on it in one year actually had the dealer  
call him up
and they swapped the transmission out because he was one of the folks  
in north america who put on the highest milage in a year on a new  
type of transmission

and they were eager to understand how it had performed.


http://www.deming.org/theman/articles/articles_50influenced01.html


On 27-Sep-05, at 8:11 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote:

Having worked for Toyota for 13 years I can say that I cannot  
recall any

technical problems with US made cars. Not the Toyotas anyway.

Some of the component suppliers left a bit to be desired, but the fit
and finish was fine.My experience ended in 1995 so it may be different
now but I know that Toyota is VERY pleased with their Canadian  
workforce
as we've just won another plant over Alabam or some other southern  
state.



Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

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1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] tool, left side, right side.

[Marshall Booth]

John M McIntosh wrote:
I've tool to adjust an issue with door latch on the w124, but I note  
it's marked L  for left side. There is a tool marked R for right  
side, btw and they are not interchangeable.

Question is from a mechanics viewpoint, is L (left) for driver side?


References to left and right in a car should be the same as the driver's 
left and right when sitting in the car!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel economy, was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[Marshall Booth]

Curt Raymond wrote:

At that speed Hammie will regularly turn in 26-27mpg. At 65mph I've gotten an 
all time high of 31.7mpg but that was with all season tires. I noticed a 
consistant 2-3mpg loss when I switched to snowtires but I'm too cheap to have 2 
sets of tires and I don't really have anywhere to put the offseason set. These 
snows will be pretty well worn out next spring so it'll be time for new all 
seasons.

 

Side question, I've got (I think) 30psi in the tires on the car now. Sidewall max is I think 35psi (need to check). I saw a post the other day that suggested running more like 32. I think the placard on the car recommends something like 28psi... 


I'm thinking at 32psi I could squeak out a couple more mpg.


According to Mercedes, optimal handling. speed rating and economy will 
occur with 33 psi front and 36 rear! The front rear differential is 
important for optimal handing. A few psi less will soften the ride a 
little (but everything else deteriorates).


Marshall
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[MBZ] OT God Satisfaction Survey

[andrew strasfogel]

To: ALL
Subject: God satisfaction Survey

Subject: God's Satisfied Customer: After-Sales Service

God would like to thank you for your belief and patronage. In order to
better serve your needs, God asks that you take a few moments to answer
the following questions. Please keep in mind that your responses will
be kept completely confidential, and that you need not disclose your
name
or address unless you prefer a direct response to comments or
suggestions.

1. How did you find out about God?

___ Newspaper
___ New Testament
___ Torah
___ Book of Mormon
___ Koran
___ Other Book
___ Television
___ Divine Inspiration
___ Word of mouth
___ Dead Sea scrolls
___ My mama done tol' me
___ Near-death Experience
___ Near-life experience
___ National Public Radio
___ Tabloid
___ Burning Shrubbery
___ Who?
___ Other (specify): _


2. Which model God did you acquire?

___ God of Israel
___ Jehovah
___ Allah
___ Just plain God
___ Krishna
___ Father, Son & Holy Ghost (Trinity Pack)
___ Zeus and entourage (Olympus Pack)
___ Odin and entourage (Valhalla Pack)
___ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature
___ None of the above; I was taken in by a false god

3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts in good working
order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes?

__ Yes
__ No

If No, please describe the problems you initially encountered here.
Please indicate all that apply:

___ Not eternal
___ Not omniscient
___ Not omnipotent
___ Finite in space/Does not occupy or inhabit the entire universe
___ Permits sex outside of marriage
___ Prohibits sex outside of marriage
___ Makes mistakes (e.g., Geraldo Rivera, Jesse Helms)
___ When beseeched, doesn't stay beseeched
___ Requires burnt offerings
___ Requires virgin sacrifices
___ Plays dice with the universe


4. What factors were relevant in your decision to acquire a God?
Please check all that apply.

___ Indoctrinated by parents
___ Needed a reason to live
___ Indoctrinated by society
___ Needed target for rage
___ Imaginary friend grew up
___ Hate to think for self
___ Wanted to meet girls/boys
___ Fear of death
___ To tick off parents
___ Needed a day away from work
___ Enjoy organ music
___ Needed focus on whom to despise
___ Needed to feel morally superior
___ Graduated from the tooth fairy
___ My shrubbery caught fire and told me to do it


5. Are you currently using any other source of inspiration in addition
to God? Please check all that apply.

__ Self-help books
__ Tarot, Astrology
__ Star Trek re-runs
__ Fortune cookies
__ Annie's Mailbox
__ Psychic Friends Network
__ Dianetics
__ Playboy and/or Playgirl
__ Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll
__ Biorhythms
__ EST
__ Television
__ Mantras
__ Jimmy Swaggart
__ Crystals (not including Crystal Gayle)
__ Human Sacrifice
__ Wandering around in desert
__ Burning shrubbery
__ Other:_


6. Have you ever worshiped a false God before? If so, which false God
were you fooled by? Please check all that apply.

___ Odin
___ Cthulhu
___ Lottery
___ Baal
___ Beelzebub
___ The Almighty Dollar
___ The Conservative Right
___ Mick Jagger
___ Bill Gates
___ The Great Pumpkin
___ Ronald Reagan
___ A burning cabbage
___ mushrooms
___ Other: 


7. God employs a limited degree of Divine Intervention to preserve the
balanced level of felt presence and blind faith. Which would you prefer:

___ More Divine Intervention
___ Less Divine Intervention
___ Current level of Divine Intervention is just right
___ Don't know - what's Divine Intervention?


8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of disasters
and miracles. Please rate on a scale of 1 to 5 God's handling
of the following: (1 unsatisfactory, 5 excellent):

Disaster:
1 2 3 4 5 flood
1 2 3 4 5 famine
1 2 3 4 5 earthquake
1 2 3 4 5 war
1 2 3 4 5 pestilence
1 2 3 4 5 plague
1 2 3 4 5 AOL
1 2 3 4 5 Republican Congress
1 2 3 4 5 Jerry Lewis
1 2 3 4 5 Dubya
1 2 3 4 5 my last relationship

Miracles:
1 2 3 4 5 rescues
1 2 3 4 5 spontaneous remissions
1 2 3 4 5 crying statues
1 2 3 4 5 water changing to wine
1 2 3 4 5 walking on water
1 2 3 4 5 stars hovering over towns
1 2 3 4 5 VCRs that set their own clocks
1 2 3 4 5 clear and competent statements by the President
1 2 3 4 5 my present relationship


9. Please rate the following on a scale of 1 to 5
(1 unsatisfactory, 5 excellent):

1 2 3 4 5 God's Courtesy
1 2 3 4 5 Answers to your prayers
1 2 3 4 5 Are your spiritual needs being met?
1 2 3 4 5 How are your shrubs doing?


10. Do you have any additional comments or suggestions for improving the
quality of God's services?

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting Help Needed

[Marshall Booth]

B Dike wrote:

That's correct Marshall.  The climate controls are
manual in this car - 77 240D.  


Also, I didn't see any mention in the thread about a
voltage regulator...any way to isolate and test it?



The regulator should hold the charge voltage below about 14-14.4 V under 
any condition. The alternator should deliver 13.4 V or more under little 
or no load at idle. If it does that and the brushes are at least half as 
long as new, the regulator is probably fine.


Compare the brush length to these:

http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/F401039368BOS.JPG

Brushes last about 150 kmi in MY cars (over the last 20+ years)!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[Gabriel S.]

hey curt, do you drive slow in the fast lane? Maybe that's whats pissing
people off...i know it gets under my skin

On 9/27/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is a word for your new method of driving -- maturity (sometimes
> called
> "getting older").
>
> On 9/27/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The mindset of most of the driving public baffles me. I've been
> commuting
> > with my 240D manual for 2 1/2 years now 80 miles a day largely highway.
> > Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around 65mph and
> > trying to ease up to that speed. Whats really crazy are the people who
> will
> > honk the horn and flip me off and then fight their way over into the
> passing
> > lane. Quite often when I get off the highway I'm right behind a guy who
> 20
> > minutes earlier was totally pissed that I was holding him up. Whoa he
> sure
> > saved some time there.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
>
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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Christopher McCann]

awesome, thanks!

Chris

--- Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard
> didn't read my
> > warning and replaced the old page with just my
> notes, not Marshalls.
> Thank Sherman for the wayback machine...
>
http://web.archive.org/web/20040414225233/http://buying.articles.mbz.org/checklists/124/
> 
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 145K miles, not yet named
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)

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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Marshall Booth]

Dave M. wrote:

Chris,

I think Marshall's comments are long gone. Richard didn't read my
warning and replaced the old page with just my notes, not Marshalls.
And he had no backup to pull from. So unless they're saved on
someone's personal drive, or Marshall can add to it from memory,
they're gone. That was about a year ago back when the MBZ.org site was
still alive...


In addition to the head problem(s):

Marshall Booth (on the subject of 300TD purchase): The OM60x engines 
used in the W201/124/'86+ 126s are much quieter then the older OM61x 
engine. Part of that IS the engine and part is the sound encapsulation 
used in and under the engine compartment (be SURE the one you buy HAS 
these panels - some misguided mechanics throw them away and they are 
expensive to replace)! The hydraulic valve lifters CAN make quite a 
racket if the car has had a steady diet of conventional oil. Changing to 
synthetic oil WILL considerably reduce and eventually may even eliminate 
all but an occasional clack/clatter from these "noisemakers" ;-) The '87 
300TD is probably my favorite MB ever!


There are LOTS of little things to look at when buying a 13 year old 
car. Ones that I would look for are: AC system - it must produce good 
cooling (compressor replacement will usually be well over $1000), the 
sunroof must work properly in all modes (sunroof repair can be $1000), 
The tail gate must open, stay up and close flawlessly and the "pull in" 
motor must engage and pull the gate shut without effort once contact is 
made, check that the serpentine belt idler pulley (right below the 
horizontal expanse of fan belt at the front to of the engine) MUST be 
aligned parallel with the belt - if it's a degree or two cocked, then it 
MUST be repaired (the costs could be from $100-$1000 depending on what 
is actually worn or broken), the engine MUST start promptly when dead 
cold and idle should smooth out within 20-30 seconds! There must be NO 
evidence of transmission fluid on the grate at the bottom of the bell 
housing (where the torque converter lives ;-) as that would be evidence 
of leaking seals (minimum of $500 to fix) and the transmission should 
shift very smoothly after the 1st few cold shifts. The power seats 
should all move effortlessly and all the windows should work at about 
the same speed. The cruise control should be tested! The radio, antenna 
and cassette player SHOULD work (though a refurbished radio is available 
on an exchange basis from Becker for about $130). Wipers (front and 
rear) should work smoothly. Finally, the car should ride and handle 
about as well as your 300SD - but just a bit more agile and it should 
feel more powerful ('cause it is).

---

Let me add that the 124 is notorious for having the wires from the "B" 
pillar to the rear doors break - seems that the wire was made from 
stranded wire with too few strands of wire that was too thick to be 
sufficiently flexible. The 201s and 126s made during the same period did 
NOT suffer from this failure.


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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Dave M.]

I agree - the pressure symptom is NOT conclusive that the head is
cracked. But IMO it creates a strong possibility. Marshall's two
190D's are about the only ones I know of that had this with no
apparent ill effects, but remember neither of them were OM603's.

I know that my car would usually have slight vacuum in the system
after a cold-soak. When the head cracked I had high pressure
(15-20psi). After I replaced the cracked head, it went back to slight
vacuum.

The excess pressure can also cause other problems... my one car's
water pump would be leak-free when hot, but after a cold-soak the cold
pressure caused it to leak. (I'm still using that pump with the new
head, leak-free.) In another instance (different 87 300D) the radiator
would leak due to the cold pressure, but didn't leak when hot. YMMV,
but I stand by my belief that HIGH pressure when cold is not normal
(remember, I'm talking 15-20psi here, not 3psi.)

I also have no plans to sell my 1987 300D and actually wouldn't mind
getting another one, regardless of what head it currently has.

=)

+dm


On 9/27/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a 190D 2.5 that displays excess pressure in the cooling system
> even after it's cooled for several days! Has since I bought it in 1997.
> Doesn't have any other symptoms. I also had a 190D 2.2 that sometimes
> displayed the same symptoms for 10 years, but not regularly.
>
> Pressure in the cooling system MIGHT mean a cracked head (and I'd
> suggest investigating), but that is NOT conclusive. It may mean nothing
> but a defective cap - or some other anomaly.
>
> As to the number of cracked heads - no way there are more than about 1
> in 5 (20%).
>
> Many of the people that sell their 124.133 and 124.193s sell them
> because they have the symptoms of head cracks, but many/most of the
> people that have 124.133 and 124.193 without cracked heads tend to NOT
> want to sell them. These are VERY desirable cars and there are very few
> of them in the US (fewer than 6000 124 sedans and wagons with OM603.960
> engines were ever brought to the US)! If 20% had cracked heads that
> would be about 1200 124s with cracked heads. Then there were the almost
> 13,000 1986 & '87 300SDLs. If 5% of the '86s and 20% of the '87s failed,
> that would add about 2000 more cracked heads and still fewer than 20% of
> the "14" series heads would have cracked!
>
> MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail unless abused. Most ALL
> of the OM60x heads (even "17" series and later) WILL show some signs of
> cracking when they are removed after years of service, but MOST of the
> cracks are superficial and will seldom result in catastrophic failure.
> This is common to almost ALL of the 1st (and many 2nd) generation
> aluminum diesel heads. The trick is sort out and separate the fatal and
> inconsequential cracks - and that is VERY difficult to do. Even Mercedes
> points out that the pressure testing procedure in the engine manual is
> NOT 100% reliable and occasionally a head that passes the pressure test
> will fail when put back into service.
>
> Marshall

Re: [MBZ] SDL mileage record

[Jeff Zedic]

My 124.193 with a #14 head is still going strong at 280Kmi

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Dave M.]

I don't have a problem with this unless you are poking along a freeway
onramp. The onramp near me feeds into an interstate with a 75mph speed
limit. If you're saving fuel with a light foot, and are only up to
45mph by the time you reach the freeway, and I'm stuck behind you
forced to merge into 80mph traffic with a 35mph differential... yeah
I'll be a little peeved. That's not just stupid it's dangerous. I've
even seen people come to a STOP at the end of the onramp with the
blinker on!!! (Seriously!)

Once you're safely on the freeway I don't care how fast or slow you're
going as long as you're not blocking the flow of traffic. That
includes not taking 5 minutes to pass someone who's going 64mph while
you're going 65mph. You'd think this would be common sense, but as the
saying goes, it's quite uncommon...

O_o

-dm


> --
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:24:51 -0700
> From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
>
> Curt mentioned:
>
> "Lately in an effort to save fuel I've been cruising at around 65mph"
>
> I also drive nearly 80 miles on my commute. Setting the cruise on 78 gets me
> two things: 1) frequently flipped off, and 2) 24MPG. Remembering I have a
> 300D, does that seem correct? At what speed have yous guys noted 300Ds
> getting their optimum MPGs? Does 24MPG at 78-80 MPH seem right? (FWIW...I
> usually dislike fuel economy threads but my curiosity is getting the best of
> me)
>
> Bob Rentfro
> '77 300D 140K
> Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Marshall Booth]

Marshall Booth wrote:


MOST 603.96 engine heads will not crack and fail unless abused. 


To clarify - I consider driving an OM603.96 WITH a trap oxidizer in 
place abuse of the engine and driving one in the city extreme abuse!


Marshall
--
  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm

Re: [MBZ] '69 220D on eBay

[Steve MacSween]

someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mercedes-Benz_W0QQitemZ4578223230QQcategor
> yZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> That's a gasser.

Yep. And don't offer a penny more than the current bid, without VERY
detailed pics. If that was an MA car for its life, then it will be a near
miracle if it's not a rustbucket.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] MPG (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)

[Dave M.]

The MPG vs. MPH curve varies a lot by model. The non-turbo cars with
low (high numerical) gears will probably get best MPG in the 50-65mph
range, I'd guess. Turbo cars will bump that up a tad, partially
because they usually have taller (lower numerical) gears. However all
the OM61x engines, of any vintage, model, or axle ratio are hard
pressed to hit 30mpg unless all the stars are aligned and the moon's
gravitational pull is aiding your forward travel.

The newer OM60x engines, combined with even taller gearing, can get
amazing economy even at a steady 85-90mph. A couple of times I got
30mpg on a trip where I probably *averaged* near 80 and had some
extended cruising at 85-95 (out in the desert with nothing but
tumbleweeds around). My car normally gets 29-30mpg and the all-time
peak was about 32, IIRC. You'd think that cruising at 90 would drop
the numbers to mid-20's but on the 1987 300D, it doesn't. I'd love to
repeat the test at a steady 110mph but unless Montana brings back
their fabled 'reasonable & prudent' laws, that ain't likely

=)

-dm

> --
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:28 -0400
> From: Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Does 24MPG at 78-80 MPH seem right? (FWIW...I
> > usually dislike fuel economy threads but my curiosity is getting the best of
> > me)
>
> That sounds very good indeed. IIRC, if you read the owner's manual,
> somewhere it provides estimates of projected fuel economy vs. cruising
> speed. I know that on my w116 300sd, the optimum mileage came between 50-70
> mph. Driving faster than that lowered by a LOT.
>
> Mac