date:20060215

Somewhere in OK. Show up and don't embarrass yourself so bad that you won't
want to go again next year (or something like that). Bring coveralls and
hand cleaner so you can help Kaleb dismantle some old MB. Watch out for
Regina (if you aren't on Banned you should be - will help if you go to OK.)

How's that for advice from someone who hasn't been?

Randy B



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What and where is Okie Q? And what are the stipulations if any on attending?
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> Hey Kaleb
>
> Any ideas when Okie Q will be this year? Need to get my vacation in at the
> old nuke plant.
> Alsowho drove the greatest distance to attend last year?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] WAS "A New Toy" - Compression testing??

Anything else I should have on hand? I have never had an injector out so I
have very little idea as to what I have to do. Car is in the garage under
the cover since November 1 and its cold here right now so I don't plan to
look under the hood today. The injector lines are pipe. Is there any sort of
replacable seal/o-ring??? or whatever that will need to be changed too or is
it a compression type fitting? No idea what the locals will have around here
so would like to ensure I have whatever I will need on hand before giving
this a whirl.

Randy B

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R A Bennell wrote:
> OK, so if I read this correctly, I am supposed to pull the injectors
rather
> than the glowplugs?
>
Don't forget to order a meter length of fuel return line (the old lines
will likely leak if reused IF they can be successfully removed intact)
and a set of injector heat shields (should be replaced whenever the
injectors are removed) before you pull the injectors. Then warm the
engine up to operating temp, and pull the injectors (cold compression
readings are notoriously unreliable and variable - Mercedes only
publishes warm values).

Marshall
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[MBZ] Bad thermostat

2006-02-15 Thread Curt Raymond

On the way to work this morning in heavy stop and go traffic the temp gauge on 
the 190D dropped to 60C. Heater output dropped correspondingly.
  Seems to me like I've got a sticky thermostat. That stinks, its a new 
thermostat last month. What kind of stuff could make a thermostat stick open? 
I've had 'em stick closed when using bars leaks and stuff but never had one 
stick open...
  I'll have my Indy change coolant when he does the thermostat this time.
   
  -Curt
  '85 190D "Dory" 234kmi
  '83 240D "Hammie" 253kmi


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> Hey Kaleb
>
> Any ideas when Okie Q will be this year? Need to get my vacation in at the 
> old nuke plant.
> Alsowho drove the greatest distance to attend last year?
>
>
> Bob Rentfro
> '77 300D 149K
> '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
> Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

2006-02-15 Thread dave walton

I have heard rumors that it is possible to create a mixture of Diesel and
Gasoline that is volatile enough for the gasoline to vaporize, yet not
volatile enough to displace all the air so that you have a combustible vapor
mix in the air space of your gas tank. Would love to see this idea tested on
Mythbusters. Might be just that.

-Dave Walton


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>
> Green guys,
>
>   Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding
> up  heavily when the temps drop into the 20s.  It forms an emulsion  with
> the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio  on
> top.  Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the  WVO.
>   Question:  Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a  solution
> with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel  and re-emulsify
> in the tank?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>
>
> Bruce
> 82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
> 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
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Re: [MBZ] 603 IP, smoking and starting

2006-02-15 Thread Dave M.

Loren, thanks for the update. Keep us posted on how the car does after
the next few cold nights. I wonder if this might help Casey's warm
start issue, or if that is unrelated...

=)

+dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:16:21 -0600
> From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] 603 IP, smoking and starting
>
>
> Several of us over the years have encountered slow starts when cold (Below
> zero or below freezing cold starts).  This is accompanied by clouds of
> smoke and rough running and low rpm even whit the pedal floored.  In the
> case of my SDL, it got worse over time,  with the onset at warmer temps
> each winter.
>
> I consulted the list and was told to disconnect or cut the purple wire to
> the Glow relay to make a low budget afterglow system.
>
> I have been meaning to replace the o-rings on the IP delivery valves for
> quite a while.
>
> I finally did the job and wanted to pass on the results.
>
> John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did a nice write-up for the 606
> engine, and most of it also applies to the 603.  Marshall added a caution
> to the write-up.  I did it without removing the intake manifold, 603. I did
> remove the air pipe form the turbo to the intake manifold.  Take loose Inj
> line clips at the bolts.  Push the back 3 lines aside, but don't try to
> remove them from the manifold with the unbolted holders still clipped to
> the line.  The front 3 lines come out with the clip as a unit.  Since I
> replaced all the plastic clips about a year ago, i didn't want to disturb 
> them.
>
> As per the write-up, I replaced the copper seals, the o-rings and the
> Delivery valve springs.  I did loose a couple of the old springs on
> disassembly, but did not drop any of the new ones.  I took out all the
> valve bodies, cleaned up the IP top again , and cleaned the valve bodies
> after taking off the o-rings.  As a matter of habit, I keep everything in
> order so it goes back in the same position.  Reassembly was easy.  I used
> the spring to center the valve and the copper ring in the IP body, then
> carefully lowered the body over it.  I screwed the body in by hand.  The
> o-rings should seat while turning it in by hand.  I then backed it out a
> sisth of a turn or so and retightened them a couple of times by hand to
> seat the o-rings.  I repeated this for each delivery valve.
>
> When they were all in, then I tightened, loosened, tightened, loosened, and
> then tightened to final torque.  I stayed just below the torque spec.  This
> procedure is similar for older 4 cyl IP delivery valves.
>
> After getting everything back together and getting the air bled out. it
> started and I had no knocks.
>
> THE END RESULT:  The car starts instantaneously.  No smoking when cold.  I
> am convinced I can plug the purple wire back in again.  This will prolong
> the GP life
>
> It is supposed to be getting very cold in the next few nights, So i
> will  see how it goes.
>
> If you have a 603 and smoking or rough running on low temp cold starts I'd
> highly recommend changing the Delivery valve o-rings.  I intend to do it on
> the TD as soon as I can.
>
> Hope this is helpful
> Plan to do trans diagnosis on the 88 TE this weekend.
>
> Loren
> 86 SDL, 400K and running like new!

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer



On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 04:46 PM, wilton strickland wrote:

Johnny, part you may be missing is that I'm no longer physically able 
to do
most things that to most of us are very easy.  46 yrs ago, I could 
dismantle
and reassemble a jet engine.  'Til coupla yrs ago, I had never seen 
anything
that I thought I could not do.  If my hands didn't shake so, I'd have 
run

appropriate charging circuit with switch to trunk several wks ago.
'Realized coupla days ago that an appropriate circuit, with switch, 
that I
never use (defrost) terminates only a few inches above trunk where I 
need
it.  'Even considered rear vanity/dome light circuit, but 'fraid it 
may not

"handle" charger.

Wilton



	I understand your inability to do many things but it seems you will 
need to modify the system which may take more effort than running a new 
wire. I see how the wiring for the defrost is convenient.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 603 IP, smoking and starting


Loren Faeth wrote:
Several of us over the years have encountered slow starts when cold (Below 
zero or below freezing cold starts).  This is accompanied by clouds of 
smoke and rough running and low rpm even whit the pedal floored.  In the 
case of my SDL, it got worse over time,  with the onset at warmer temps 
each winter.


I consulted the list and was told to disconnect or cut the purple wire to 
the Glow relay to make a low budget afterglow system.


I have been meaning to replace the o-rings on the IP delivery valves for 
quite a while.


I finally did the job and wanted to pass on the results.

John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did a nice write-up for the 606 
engine, and most of it also applies to the 603.  Marshall added a caution 
to the write-up.  I did it without removing the intake manifold, 603. I did 
remove the air pipe form the turbo to the intake manifold.  Take loose Inj 
line clips at the bolts.  Push the back 3 lines aside, but don't try to 
remove them from the manifold with the unbolted holders still clipped to 
the line.  The front 3 lines come out with the clip as a unit.  Since I 
replaced all the plastic clips about a year ago, i didn't want to disturb them.


As per the write-up, I replaced the copper seals, the o-rings and the 
Delivery valve springs.  I did loose a couple of the old springs on 
disassembly, but did not drop any of the new ones.  I took out all the 
valve bodies, cleaned up the IP top again , and cleaned the valve bodies 
after taking off the o-rings.  As a matter of habit, I keep everything in 
order so it goes back in the same position.  Reassembly was easy.  I used 
the spring to center the valve and the copper ring in the IP body, then 
carefully lowered the body over it.  I screwed the body in by hand.  The 
o-rings should seat while turning it in by hand.  I then backed it out a 
sisth of a turn or so and retightened them a couple of times by hand to 
seat the o-rings.  I repeated this for each delivery valve.


When they were all in, then I tightened, loosened, tightened, loosened, and 
then tightened to final torque.  I stayed just below the torque spec.  This 
procedure is similar for older 4 cyl IP delivery valves.


After getting everything back together and getting the air bled out. it 
started and I had no knocks.


THE END RESULT:  The car starts instantaneously.  No smoking when cold.  I 
am convinced I can plug the purple wire back in again.  This will prolong 
the GP life


It is supposed to be getting very cold in the next few nights, So i 
will  see how it goes.


If you have a 603 and smoking or rough running on low temp cold starts I'd 
highly recommend changing the Delivery valve o-rings.  I intend to do it on 
the TD as soon as I can.


Hope this is helpful
Plan to do trans diagnosis on the 88 TE this weekend.


Your results are interesting, but when I add my result to them, I'm not 
sure there is just ONE answer. The delivery valve seals MY be the 
primary solution to the poor acceleration right after a cold start 
(something I have not experienced in my 300TD)


Over the last few years I have experienced, smoky, slow, rough starting 
my 300TD when temperatures were much below 20 (F). It ran fine once 
warmed up for 15-30 seconds. I replaced the glow plugs. NO change. I 
allowed the plugs to glow for an additional 10-20 seconds. That reduced 
(didn't eliminate) the smoke and the engine idled a little more smoothly 
at first. Mind you, I had a pair of 4 and 5 cylinder diesels for 
comparison and the 601 engines would start on the first compression 
stroke, the 602 engines usually on the first or second, both with 
minimal smoke and the 603 routinely took 3 or more compression strokes 
to start and emitted a dense cloud of white smoke upon starting in 
weather at temps below 20. Finally this fall I replaced the 7+ year old 
Interstate battery with another Johnson Controls battery (from Advance 
Auto). Since then with just 5 seconds additional glow after the dash 
lamp extinguishes, the engine starts in below 20 deg F weather on the 
first compression stroke and there is little or NO smoke.


Leaving the purple wire off WILL improve cold idle after the engine 
starts but it has NO effect on speed of starting or the amount of smoke 
ejected when the engine starts. It will reduce the amount of smoke 
produced once the engine HAS started.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

[MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread wilton strickland

Johnny, part you may be missing is that I'm no longer physically able to do
most things that to most of us are very easy.  46 yrs ago, I could dismantle
and reassemble a jet engine.  'Til coupla yrs ago, I had never seen anything
that I thought I could not do.  If my hands didn't shake so, I'd have run
appropriate charging circuit with switch to trunk several wks ago.
'Realized coupla days ago that an appropriate circuit, with switch, that I
never use (defrost) terminates only a few inches above trunk where I need
it.  'Even considered rear vanity/dome light circuit, but 'fraid it may not
"handle" charger.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D

Now come on, if you don't want it to sound like a diesel, just buy one that
runs on gasoline!

Randy B

-Original Message-



  As far as sound, the 124 is MUCH quieter than your 240D.  The 124 has
quite of
bit of sound deadening panels and the engine is just quieter.   If you
get a chance to buy this car, you should.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 125K

Re: [MBZ] 92 300D


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Howdy,
I'm considering a 92 300D 2.5 Turbo & need your help.  1st, what gas mileage 
can I expect?  How loud will it be (idling and at 65 or so) - using my 
current 78 240D as a comparison?  Same question but for acceleration - again 
comparing it to my 78 240D.  ;-)


MUCH quieter than your 240D either at idle or on the highway! On the 
highway, wind and tire noise is the loudest thing you should hear. Fuel 
economy will exceed 30 mph on the highway (may sometimes reach 34-36) 
and mid/high 20s in city stop and go. 0-62 mph in a 240D takes about 25 
sec, in a 300D 2.5 it's about half that.


I will always remember driving my '87 300TD for the first time at 100 
mph (I had done that with my 123 wagons and engine noise was quite 
apparent at 100 mph). The only difference driving the 124 wagon at 50 
mph and 100 mph was that the telephone poles went by a LOT faster!


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear window defroster timer


Dave Wakin wrote:
I don't know where the timer function of the switch is located, but I would 
assume it is part of the actual switch. If so, I would think you could just 
get a rear light vanity switch from Kaleb and change it with the defroster 
switch. Or, just use your current rear vanity light switch with the 
defroster's wiring.


If the timer is before the switch, just cut the incoming wire, and tap into 
the cigar lighter feed. Not sure how the switch would turn it on and off 
this way though. Only other way would be if there is a relay that the 
defroster switch turns on.


The timing AND the high current switching are all done within the 
combination relay if it's like the older cars (and I'm pretty sure it 
is). Because at least 4 different timing functions are controlled by the 
relay and because a schematic of the circuitry isn't available from any 
source that I know of, a solution is going to require some 
experimentation. The switch alone will NOT handle sufficient power to 
allow significant battery charging.


Marshall
--
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D

2006-02-15 Thread Donald Snook

Larry T wrote: 

 

I'm considering a 92 300D 2.5 Turbo & need your help.  1st, what gas
mileage 

can I expect?  How loud will it be (idling and at 65 or so) - using my 

current 78 240D as a comparison?  Same question but for acceleration -
again 

comparing it to my 78 240D.  ;-)

 

Larry, 

 

The mileage is GREAT and is only outdone by the 190D 2.5.   I got 34.5
on one 1000 mile trip in my former car (now OK Don's).  I think Dr.
Booth has reported similar numbers for the 90-92 124 diesels.   As far
as sound, the 124 is MUCH quieter than your 240D.  The 124 has quite of
bit of sound deadening panels and the engine is just quieter.   If you
get a chance to buy this car, you should. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 125K

Re: [MBZ] 190D slush-to-stick progress report

2006-02-15 Thread Kevin

On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:09:15PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote:
> Finally I begin.  I removed the exhaust system, and found that the
> front section (before the first muffler [of three]) is indeed rotted
> through, about where the support over to the transmission used to be
> (it's gone, too).  I may be able to combine the two exhaust systems to
> get one good one.  If not, a repair at the muffler shop shouldn't cost
> much at all.  The problem area is just pipe.

Jim,

My 190D had the same problem rust-wise. Muffler shops I contacted weren't
interested in repairing, said it would be too expensive. Told me that a 
new pipe was available and quoted that price at something like $200 installed.

Needless to say, rusty beat that - think the part arrived kaleb style (pipe 
with a shipping label) on my porch for around fifty bucks.

K

[MBZ] 603 IP, smoking and starting

2006-02-15 Thread Loren Faeth

Several of us over the years have encountered slow starts when cold (Below 
zero or below freezing cold starts).  This is accompanied by clouds of 
smoke and rough running and low rpm even whit the pedal floored.  In the 
case of my SDL, it got worse over time,  with the onset at warmer temps 
each winter.


I consulted the list and was told to disconnect or cut the purple wire to 
the Glow relay to make a low budget afterglow system.


I have been meaning to replace the o-rings on the IP delivery valves for 
quite a while.


I finally did the job and wanted to pass on the results.

John W. Reames III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did a nice write-up for the 606 
engine, and most of it also applies to the 603.  Marshall added a caution 
to the write-up.  I did it without removing the intake manifold, 603. I did 
remove the air pipe form the turbo to the intake manifold.  Take loose Inj 
line clips at the bolts.  Push the back 3 lines aside, but don't try to 
remove them from the manifold with the unbolted holders still clipped to 
the line.  The front 3 lines come out with the clip as a unit.  Since I 
replaced all the plastic clips about a year ago, i didn't want to disturb them.


As per the write-up, I replaced the copper seals, the o-rings and the 
Delivery valve springs.  I did loose a couple of the old springs on 
disassembly, but did not drop any of the new ones.  I took out all the 
valve bodies, cleaned up the IP top again , and cleaned the valve bodies 
after taking off the o-rings.  As a matter of habit, I keep everything in 
order so it goes back in the same position.  Reassembly was easy.  I used 
the spring to center the valve and the copper ring in the IP body, then 
carefully lowered the body over it.  I screwed the body in by hand.  The 
o-rings should seat while turning it in by hand.  I then backed it out a 
sisth of a turn or so and retightened them a couple of times by hand to 
seat the o-rings.  I repeated this for each delivery valve.


When they were all in, then I tightened, loosened, tightened, loosened, and 
then tightened to final torque.  I stayed just below the torque spec.  This 
procedure is similar for older 4 cyl IP delivery valves.


After getting everything back together and getting the air bled out. it 
started and I had no knocks.


THE END RESULT:  The car starts instantaneously.  No smoking when cold.  I 
am convinced I can plug the purple wire back in again.  This will prolong 
the GP life


It is supposed to be getting very cold in the next few nights, So i 
will  see how it goes.


If you have a 603 and smoking or rough running on low temp cold starts I'd 
highly recommend changing the Delivery valve o-rings.  I intend to do it on 
the TD as soon as I can.


Hope this is helpful
Plan to do trans diagnosis on the 88 TE this weekend.

Loren
86 SDL, 400K and running like new!

Re: [MBZ] 92 300D

2006-02-15 Thread Sunil Hari

I had a 74 240D, an 84 300D turbo, and now have a 92 300D 2.5T.  I'm getting
about 30 highway and 25 city.  At idle, it's MUCH quieter than my 74 or 84,
and at highway speeds it's about 3/4 to 1/2 as loud as the 74 or 84.
Accelerartion is off the charts compared to the 74, but similar to my 84.

Overall, it's a much better-built car.  Doesn't have quite the character as
the old ones, but makes up for it in performance and handling.

On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Howdy,
> I'm considering a 92 300D 2.5 Turbo & need your help.  1st, what gas
> mileage
> can I expect?  How loud will it be (idling and at 65 or so) - using my
> current 78 240D as a comparison?  Same question but for acceleration -
> again
> comparing it to my 78 240D.  ;-)
>
> I realize these questions are difficult to answer - but you are all so
> creative, hopefully you'll find a way to help me understand the noise
> level
> and acceleration ability as it compares to my 78 240D  -
>
> One more thing - what kind of mileage should it get?  I plan this to be
> for
> my wife to drive to work - 50+ miles all at 65mph.
>
> Thanks!!
> Sincerely,
> Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, '78 240D)
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[MBZ] 92 300D

2006-02-15 Thread l02turner


Howdy,
I'm considering a 92 300D 2.5 Turbo & need your help.  1st, what gas mileage 
can I expect?  How loud will it be (idling and at 65 or so) - using my 
current 78 240D as a comparison?  Same question but for acceleration - again 
comparing it to my 78 240D.  ;-)


I realize these questions are difficult to answer - but you are all so 
creative, hopefully you'll find a way to help me understand the noise level 
and acceleration ability as it compares to my 78 240D  -


One more thing - what kind of mileage should it get?  I plan this to be for 
my wife to drive to work - 50+ miles all at 65mph.


Thanks!!
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, '78 240D)
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer



On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 02:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


He and I have exactly the same purpose in mind: powering an auxiliary
item for an indefinite period of time yet retaining all the other
features of the system.  I'm absolutely convinced (leap of faith)
that all that is required to disable the timer function of the
high-current relay (and it's not part of the switch) is a blob
of solder in the right place.  But getting to it, and finding
out where to put the blob, may well be beyond Wilton's abilities
at this point.

We have no 124, so I can't even try to look into it for him.

-- Jim



	Is it the challenge of getting it to multi-task? I know by now I could 
have run a new wire back off of some sort of relay that opens the 
circuit when the key gets turned off. Discrete too. Maybe I'm missing 
something about the whole picture?


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

2006-02-15 Thread Robert & Tara Ludwick

I've had a number of older diesels where the manual stated 30% gasoline 
mix OK. When I used to drive a semi in the great white north we 
regularly dumped 5 gal of gas in each tank. and I know some folks up 
there that still do it.
There really isn't any danger of loss of pump librication when mixing it 
with veggie fuel.


-Robert

John Berryman wrote:

On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 02:42 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

  

Once upon a time it was even mentioned in the owners manuals.  Up
to 25% or so IIRC.  They stopped doing that some time ago, obviously.

-- Jim





	I have an older manual that suggests thinning with gasoline. IIRC 30% 
max. I've used kero but never tried gas. I'll have to give it whirl in 
one of my least favorite cars some time.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point



On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 02:42 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Once upon a time it was even mentioned in the owners manuals.  Up
to 25% or so IIRC.  They stopped doing that some time ago, obviously.

-- Jim




	I have an older manual that suggests thinning with gasoline. IIRC 30% 
max. I've used kero but never tried gas. I'll have to give it whirl in 
one of my least favorite cars some time.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] 190D slush-to-stick progress report


Finally I begin.  I removed the exhaust system, and found that the
front section (before the first muffler [of three]) is indeed rotted
through, about where the support over to the transmission used to be
(it's gone, too).  I may be able to combine the two exhaust systems to
get one good one.  If not, a repair at the muffler shop shouldn't cost
much at all.  The problem area is just pipe.  Next I removed the
driveline, that went well.  I then unhooked most of the transmission
impedimenta, wires, mounts and such, and then drained it and the
torque converter.  The fluid didn't look too bad, but there was a bit
of milkiness to it at the end.  The six bolts holding the converter to
the flywheel and flex plate are out, as are all but two of the bell
housing bolts.  The two hard-to-get-at bolts are all that remains
holding it in, or so I believe.  Getting a wrench on the front crank
bolt was a pain, and in doing so I found that the radiator is quite
bent from the wreck.  Doesn't seem to leak, though.

It looks like this car indeed had two belly pans at one time, both are
missing.  It's got the two side shark-gill panels, all in all it looks
just like the SDL underneath, but smaller.  I may be able to fabricate
something like I did for the SDL.  There is little to no rust
underneath, excepting a piece of what looks like pipe underneath the
radiator that's rotted through and the stuff that's attacking the jack
points.

The car has a block heater, but no cord.  Just a nice cap over the
connections.  The donor car has a cord, so I'll be taking that.  The
steering damper is totally shot, there's no resistance in it at all.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


I understand all that. Isn't Wilton trying to rig a charger for his
electric chair? As I understand you have a different purpose for the
hijacked current. Perhaps Wilton can hardwire a timer or a sensor that
switches off when fully charged. It seems that 15-20 minutes would not
be enough time to fully charge a low battery.


He and I have exactly the same purpose in mind: powering an auxiliary
item for an indefinite period of time yet retaining all the other
features of the system.  I'm absolutely convinced (leap of faith)
that all that is required to disable the timer function of the
high-current relay (and it's not part of the switch) is a blob
of solder in the right place.  But getting to it, and finding
out where to put the blob, may well be beyond Wilton's abilities
at this point.

We have no 124, so I can't even try to look into it for him.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill

Don't mean to pick fault but I seem to recall it being said the brakes 
were
cheap compared to transmissions and one is usually better off to use 
the
brakes and spare the transmission. Do you think that applies in a case 
like
this or given the mountain, is it better to save the brakes just in 
case you

really need them?


Long downgrades are _exactly_ the right place to use the transmission
rather than the brakes.  Otherwise, no.  I believe it is mentioned
in the owners manual.  (Does anybody ever read these things besides
me?  Certainly not my wife!)  It is the constant shifting that is
bad for a transmission, not being in a different gear.  Using the
engine's braking ability is by far the least wear-and-tear way to
control speed down the hill, things like exhaust brakes were invented
to make this an even more effective technique.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point


Adding gasoline is NOT desirable
for a variety of reasons, but it will inhibit clouding.


Once upon a time it was even mentioned in the owners manuals.  Up
to 25% or so IIRC.  They stopped doing that some time ago, obviously.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill


I'm leaving tomorrow morning in the '83 300CD for a 1180-mile roundtrip
excursion to my land out west.  Among other small issues, the
transmission has been flaring more than usual lately, and I don't have
time to address it before I leave.


To reduce wear on the transmission guts you may wish to yank off the
vacuum line to the transmission.  This will result in full-hard shifts
at all times, but may help you get through the trip intact.  It's
right on top of the valve cover, trivial to do.  The Chicken Wagon
has been this way for some time now, though it still flares.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear window defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread Dave Wakin

I don't know where the timer function of the switch is located, but I would 
assume it is part of the actual switch. If so, I would think you could just 
get a rear light vanity switch from Kaleb and change it with the defroster 
switch. Or, just use your current rear vanity light switch with the 
defroster's wiring.


If the timer is before the switch, just cut the incoming wire, and tap into 
the cigar lighter feed. Not sure how the switch would turn it on and off 
this way though. Only other way would be if there is a relay that the 
defroster switch turns on.



Dave W


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 124 rear window defroster timer



Goal is to charge electric mobility scooter battery in trunk controlled by
defrost switch on upper, center console and un-timed.  'Thought maybe I
could remove/bypass timer.  'Haven't used defroster in yrs.  Charger
regulates charge to battery; cuts it off when bat full.  Trying to keep it
simple.  Because of hand tremor, even the simplest things have become very
hard to do, including hitting desired key on this keyboard.
BTW, charger is now in cntr console tray; plugged into cig lighter.

Wilton


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[MBZ] 124 rear window defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread wilton strickland

Goal is to charge electric mobility scooter battery in trunk controlled by
defrost switch on upper, center console and un-timed.  'Thought maybe I
could remove/bypass timer.  'Haven't used defroster in yrs.  Charger
regulates charge to battery; cuts it off when bat full.  Trying to keep it
simple.  Because of hand tremor, even the simplest things have become very
hard to do, including hitting desired key on this keyboard.
BTW, charger is now in cntr console tray; plugged into cig lighter.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill

2006-02-15 Thread David Brodbeck


R A Bennell wrote:

Don't mean to pick fault but I seem to recall it being said the brakes were
cheap compared to transmissions and one is usually better off to use the
brakes and spare the transmission. Do you think that applies in a case like
this or given the mountain, is it better to save the brakes just in case you
really need them?
  


I tend to err on the side of saving the brakes. I figure the added wear 
on the transmission is minimal, and you really only need to experience 
brake fade once to decide you don't want to go there again. ;)

Re: [MBZ] Test

Einstein he ain't...

Bob Rentfro

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test

Looks like I passed...

Guess as long as my email doesn't contain "Gabriel" in it, Kaleb lets it
through.

Still trying to figure out, since Gabriel was sooo smart, why he would
use his name in the yahoo address and try to re-subscribe. I guess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was already taken.

Dave W

Looks like it's working.at least it got here.

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Re: [MBZ] Test

2006-02-15 Thread Dave Wakin


Looks like I passed...

Guess as long as my email doesn't contain "Gabriel" in it, Kaleb lets it 
through.


Still trying to figure out, since Gabriel was sooo smart, why he would 
use his name in the yahoo address and try to re-subscribe. I guess 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was already taken.


Dave W




Looks like it's working.at least it got here.

Re: [MBZ] Test

2006-02-15 Thread Potter, Tom E

Is it multiple choice or essay?

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Subject: [MBZ] Test

I know I am setting myself up for the ol pass or fail response, but I
wanted 
to make sure my new email address works. Feel free to BZZ

Dave W 


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Looks like it's working.at least it got here.

BobRentfro


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I know I am setting myself up for the ol pass or fail response, but I 
wanted

to make sure my new email address works. Feel free to BZZ

Dave W


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[MBZ] Test

2006-02-15 Thread Dave Wakin

I know I am setting myself up for the ol pass or fail response, but I wanted 
to make sure my new email address works. Feel free to BZZ


Dave W

Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill


R A Bennell wrote:

Don't mean to pick fault but I seem to recall it being said the brakes were
cheap compared to transmissions and one is usually better off to use the
brakes and spare the transmission. Do you think that applies in a case like
this or given the mountain, is it better to save the brakes just in case you
really need them?


Almost all transmission wear occurs when the transmission shifts - so 
that that shifting gears CAN result in a LOT of wear transmission "soft 
parts." But leaving the transmission in a lower gear for a long descent 
is NOT likely to inflict much wear on the transmission and will save a 
LOT of brake pad and rotor material - and leave the brakes ready to 
apply a LOT of extra stopping power should it be needed! If you were to 
move the shifter back and forth as many times as you might be expected 
to apply the brakes however, the wear on the transmission might be 
considerable.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill

2006-02-15 Thread paul

I'm leaving tomorrow morning in the '83 300CD for a 1180-mile roundtrip 
excursion to my land out west.  Among other small issues, the 
transmission has been flaring more than usual lately, and I don't have 
time to address it before I leave.  I really like the whole "leap of 
faith" aspect to driving these cars long distances - it makes the most 
uninteresting roadtrip a little tense, which tends to make the miles go 
by faster.

p.




I'm pleased to say the old 83 wagon gave a steller performance over
the weekend.

It managed to carry 3 adults, 2 teenagers, a german shepard, ski
rack, cargo carrier and food for a few days from sea level to 5200
feet to our local ski resort,
(trip to the top twice actually) mostly foot to the floor to keep it
at 45 mph on the steep slope, temp never climbed over 100C, and then
300 miles of travel at an average speed of 50 mph with max of 80 mph,
GPS are useful for something since it reports the speedo is off by 10
mph at the high end.

I'll note in 'S' it will tend to keep the speed down to 50 mph on the
trip down hill without braking, lots of folks riding their brakes
down, thus an intense smell of burning brakes & plastic at the bottom
of the hill during the mountain rush hour at the end of the day.

Must have been a thousand trucks up there... only one classic benz
that I could see.

John
1983 300TDt  362k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990 300TDt  160k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

B Dike wrote:

Green guys,

Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up heavily when the temps drop into the 20s. It forms an emulsion with the clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio on top. Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the WVO.
Question: Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a solution with a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel and re-emulsify in the tank?

Petrodiesel is usually winterized by adding 20-30% #1 diesel (~kerosene)
or using one of the anti-gel additives that prevents clouding by binding
to the waxy elements - or BOTH. The latter technique has the advantage
of sequestering any water in the mix. Adding gasoline is NOT desirable
for a variety of reasons, but it will inhibit clouding. Either adding
gasoline, kerosene or #1 diesel can result the energy content of the
fuel being 10% lower OR more and I've seen fuel economy drop as much as
20% (not sure what ALL of the contributing factors for that really are).

Without knowing what the cloud point of the petro component and the
clouding mechanism of your particular variety of the bio portion, the
best solution isn't apparent to me. I'd try one of the commercial
anti-gel formulas (I like GE OTR sold at some BP stations but Power
Service Diesel Fuel Supplement is much easier to find and has worked
well) or adding kerosene (or #1 diesel if it's sold in your area) but I
expect that won't be as effective as adding it to petrodiesel #2.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill

Don't mean to pick fault but I seem to recall it being said the brakes were
cheap compared to transmissions and one is usually better off to use the
brakes and spare the transmission. Do you think that applies in a case like
this or given the mountain, is it better to save the brakes just in case you
really need them?

Randy B

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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:21 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the
hill


I'm pleased to say the old 83 wagon gave a steller performance over
the weekend.

It managed to carry 3 adults, 2 teenagers, a german shepard, ski
rack, cargo carrier and food for a few days from sea level to 5200
feet to our local ski resort,
(trip to the top twice actually) mostly foot to the floor to keep it
at 45 mph on the steep slope, temp never climbed over 100C, and then
300 miles of travel at an average speed of 50 mph with max of 80 mph,
GPS are useful for something since it reports the speedo is off by 10
mph at the high end.

I'll note in 'S' it will tend to keep the speed down to 50 mph on the
trip down hill without braking, lots of folks riding their brakes
down, thus an intense smell of burning brakes & plastic at the bottom
of the hill during the mountain rush hour at the end of the day.

Must have been a thousand trucks up there... only one classic benz
that I could see.

John
1983 300TDt  362k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990 300TDt  160k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)



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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

He might wish to consider adding a solar panel in the back window ledge (it
is a car rather than a wagon isn't it?)so that the trickle charger would
help to maintain the car battery if it is going to continue to charge the
scooter when the engine is not running. The other idea might be an inverter
and one of the small chargers that have the zero float circuit so that it
can be left on all of the time and will know when to shut itself off. Hope
this does not duplicate previous info too closely. I know I saw thread on
this a bit ago but did not pay enough attention then to know and recall what
was said.

Randy B

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

> That's what the older 114/115 used.  They added the timer as a
> safety measure, because the defroster is a serious draw on the
> charging system.  The timer is set to the value that should
> just about do the job.  Also, by being timed the system goes
> off with the key and doesn't come back on by itself, as would
> be the case with the simple switch.  If the light were out on
> the knob and you forgot and left it on the defroster could
> seriously suck your battery down with time and short-cycle
> driving, and you would be completely unaware in the absence
> of disappearing frost.
>
> -- Jim
>

I understand all that. Isn't Wilton trying to rig a charger for his
electric chair? As I understand you have a different purpose for the
hijacked current. Perhaps Wilton can hardwire a timer or a sensor that
switches off when fully charged. It seems that 15-20 minutes would not
be enough time to fully charge a low battery.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer



On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


That's what the older 114/115 used.  They added the timer as a
safety measure, because the defroster is a serious draw on the
charging system.  The timer is set to the value that should
just about do the job.  Also, by being timed the system goes
off with the key and doesn't come back on by itself, as would
be the case with the simple switch.  If the light were out on
the knob and you forgot and left it on the defroster could
seriously suck your battery down with time and short-cycle
driving, and you would be completely unaware in the absence
of disappearing frost.

-- Jim



	I understand all that. Isn't Wilton trying to rig a charger for his 
electric chair? As I understand you have a different purpose for the 
hijacked current. Perhaps Wilton can hardwire a timer or a sensor that 
switches off when fully charged. It seems that 15-20 minutes would not 
be enough time to fully charge a low battery.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


This seems to be over-engineering to me. why not just run a switched
power wire of proper gauge back there and ground it to chassis?


That's what the older 114/115 used.  They added the timer as a
safety measure, because the defroster is a serious draw on the
charging system.  The timer is set to the value that should
just about do the job.  Also, by being timed the system goes
off with the key and doesn't come back on by itself, as would
be the case with the simple switch.  If the light were out on
the knob and you forgot and left it on the defroster could
seriously suck your battery down with time and short-cycle
driving, and you would be completely unaware in the absence
of disappearing frost.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Tentative Okie Q dates?

Hey Kaleb

Any ideas when Okie Q will be this year? Need to get my vacation in at the old 
nuke plant.
Alsowho drove the greatest distance to attend last year?


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 149K 
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:

> Most of the timer circuits I've seen in '70s-'80s (even electronic
> ones)
> set the interval using the value of a resistor and capacitor - and when
> the resistance doubles (as it does when a light goes out) the time
> constant changes by the same amount.
>
> Marshall
>

This seems to be over-engineering to me. why not just run a switched
power wire of proper gauge back there and ground it to chassis?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


Jim Cathey wrote:

Not sure but the load (resistance) of the thing being timed MIGHT
influence the time. When the load of the turn signals is halved, they
flash twice as fast (and that's controlled by the combination relay 
timer).


With no other evidence than a vague idea of what the circuitry
might be inside the relay, I don't believe that this is going
to be a problem.  It takes extra circuitry to make the flasher
be load-sensitive (as opposed to the ancient thermal flashers
that predate the electronic ones).  To permanently disable the
timer would probably require no more than shorting a capacitor
inside the timer module, but again I have no factual basis for
this belief.  This may or may not be something that could be
done by our interested party anyway.

My desire was to work out a simple hack to the relay that would
disable the timer if the engagement switch were actuated and held
on for a period of time, thus allowing for normal and abnormal
use via the same system.  In an SL (my target) selecting between
the glass heater and something else is easy and obvious, by way
of selective plugging in of various appliances.  Would be different
for any other vehicle.


Most of the timer circuits I've seen in '70s-'80s (even electronic ones) 
set the interval using the value of a resistor and capacitor - and when 
the resistance doubles (as it does when a light goes out) the time 
constant changes by the same amount.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers

2006-02-15 Thread Alan Duff

The car runs and drives well. Has near perfect parchment MB-Tex seats, 
even the rear seat pad is in excellent condition. Several spots where the 
paint has peeled off to the metal with surface rust. The brake master 
cylinder went out and I replaced it with a new one. While pressure 
bleeding the system the rubber seals below the MC cracked and I have not 
replaced them. They are leaking badly and brakes are very weak. Could be 
driven if this was repaired. Showing 189k on the odometer.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN
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> On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 07:41 PM, Alan Duff wrote:
> 
> > I've got two on the front of a '75 280S but you will have to take the
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> >
> > Alan Duff
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Big Discounts

2006-02-15 Thread Tom Hargrave

I'm sure Rusty would be happy to sell you another at a discount..

Honnestly, he has great prices without any discount. I just don't need
anything right now.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Big Discounts

Damn, why didn't I wait a couple more weeks before buying that #22 head?
Damn damn damn!

On 2/14/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the rest of the month BuyMBparts will be giving 10% discounts on 
> orders over $150.00 and 15% on orders over $500.00. Get out your 
> wallets and start buying. Let's go.

Casey
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Re: [MBZ] Big Discounts

Damn, why didn't I wait a couple more weeks before buying that #22
head?  Damn damn damn!

On 2/14/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the rest of the month BuyMBparts will be giving 10% discounts on
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> and start buying. Let's go.

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Re: [MBZ] Big Discounts

2006-02-15 Thread Rusty Cullens

yes

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Is that with the other specials aleady in play?

Rusty Cullens wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

2006-02-15 Thread Luther Gulseth

Blend it with Kerosene.  B80/K20 should be good enough down to 0 degrees.  K 
does much better in cold than Dino.  

Luther

~
~Chemicals are added to winter diesel to reduce cloud point and I suspect
~that mixing the two will reduce the effectiveness of the additives. You can
~purchase aftermarket additives that will reduce the clout point of diesel. I
~suggest that you experiment with one of these.
~
~
~Thanks,
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~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~On Behalf Of B Dike
~Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:39 PM
~To: Mercedes mailing list
~Subject: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point
~
~Green guys,
~  
~  Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up
~heavily when the temps drop into the 20s.  It forms an emulsion  with the
~clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio  on top.
~Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the  WVO.  
~  Question:  Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a  solution with
~a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel  and re-emulsify in
~the tank?
~  
~  Thanks,
~  
~  
~
~Bruce
~82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
~85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
~75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
~77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
~73 220D 'It'
~   



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Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

2006-02-15 Thread lee

Kerosene is often added to biodiesel to reduce its cloud point. It is often 
added to petrodiesel also. Regular petrodiesel will reduce the cloud point, 
but not as much as kerosene. 

Lee


On Tuesday 14 February 2006 10:38, B Dike wrote:
> Green guys,
>
>   Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up 
> heavily when the temps drop into the 20s.  It forms an emulsion  with the
> clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio  on top. 
> Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the  WVO. Question:  Will
> blending the bio with petro diesel create a  solution with a lower cloud
> point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel  and re-emulsify in the tank?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>
>
> Bruce
> 82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
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Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

2006-02-15 Thread Alan Duff

Well, a 1954 birth year puts me in the middle of the baby boom. As to 
Percy Faith, he must have faded from popularity by the time my family got 
a television set. Or perhaps he was not on either of the two stations we 
could receive after we got the TV set. 

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:13:00 +, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> You are not a Baby Boomer, are you?
> 
> On 14 Feb 2006 22:48:02 -, Alan Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If it were Percy Sledge I might be interested I don't know who Percy 
Faith
> > is.
> >
> > Alan Duff

Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

2006-02-15 Thread Potter, Tom E

You had a TV?

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

Yea, I do. ... Black and white tv when I was in elementary school in the
50s.

On 2/15/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey guys...
>
> Don't tell me that I'm the only one out here in this neighborhood who
> remembers Percy Faith..
>
> http://www.spaceagepop.com/faith.htm
>
> And it's a long stretch, but maybe Loren's from the side of the
> family that spelled the name a bit differently  Faeth
>
> Take care and enjoy..
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ.
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Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

2006-02-15 Thread Potter, Tom E

No. We were just keeping quiet so as not to reveal our "maturity."

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Hey guys...

Don't tell me that I'm the only one out here in this neighborhood who  
remembers Percy Faith..

http://www.spaceagepop.com/faith.htm

And it's a long stretch, but maybe Loren's from the side of the  
family that spelled the name a bit differently  Faeth

Take care and enjoy..

Chuck
Phoenix AZ.
  

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Re: [MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill

2006-02-15 Thread Sunil Hari

and your wife let you take her in the wagon with 320K Km instead of the one
with half?  How?

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> the weekend.
>
> It managed to carry 3 adults, 2 teenagers, a german shepard, ski
> rack, cargo carrier and food for a few days from sea level to 5200
> feet to our local ski resort,
> (trip to the top twice actually) mostly foot to the floor to keep it
> at 45 mph on the steep slope, temp never climbed over 100C, and then
> 300 miles of travel at an average speed of 50 mph with max of 80 mph,
> GPS are useful for something since it reports the speedo is off by 10
> mph at the high end.
>
> I'll note in 'S' it will tend to keep the speed down to 50 mph on the
> trip down hill without braking, lots of folks riding their brakes
> down, thus an intense smell of burning brakes & plastic at the bottom
> of the hill during the mountain rush hour at the end of the day.
>
> Must have been a thousand trucks up there... only one classic benz
> that I could see.
>
> John
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[MBZ] yes it's likely it's the only 23 year old benz on the hill

2006-02-15 Thread John M McIntosh

I'm pleased to say the old 83 wagon gave a steller performance over  
the weekend.


It managed to carry 3 adults, 2 teenagers, a german shepard, ski  
rack, cargo carrier and food for a few days from sea level to 5200  
feet to our local ski resort,
(trip to the top twice actually) mostly foot to the floor to keep it  
at 45 mph on the steep slope, temp never climbed over 100C, and then  
300 miles of travel at an average speed of 50 mph with max of 80 mph,  
GPS are useful for something since it reports the speedo is off by 10  
mph at the high end.


I'll note in 'S' it will tend to keep the speed down to 50 mph on the  
trip down hill without braking, lots of folks riding their brakes  
down, thus an intense smell of burning brakes & plastic at the bottom  
of the hill during the mountain rush hour at the end of the day.


Must have been a thousand trucks up there... only one classic benz  
that I could see.


John
1983 300TDt  362k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990 300TDt  160k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 171k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

2006-02-15 Thread Robert & Tara Ludwick

When running WVO in the winter when it gets below about 36 deg f I cut
it with some unleaded about 20%, if its getting down into the low teens
i cut up to 30%
Works fine. Last winter the 300 sd with single tank started just fine
without the block heater and one cycle of the glow plugs at 12 deg with
a 70% WVO 30% unleaded mix.

I've found the unleaded works better than additives. My diesel truck has
one tank with a diesel -WVo blend in it and the screen on the electric
fuel pump is getting clogged in the cold . didn't have that problem when
blending with unleaded.

--Robert

B Dike wrote:

Green guys,

Thanks,

Bruce
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


Not sure but the load (resistance) of the thing being timed MIGHT
influence the time. When the load of the turn signals is halved, they
flash twice as fast (and that's controlled by the combination relay 
timer).


With no other evidence than a vague idea of what the circuitry
might be inside the relay, I don't believe that this is going
to be a problem.  It takes extra circuitry to make the flasher
be load-sensitive (as opposed to the ancient thermal flashers
that predate the electronic ones).  To permanently disable the
timer would probably require no more than shorting a capacitor
inside the timer module, but again I have no factual basis for
this belief.  This may or may not be something that could be
done by our interested party anyway.

My desire was to work out a simple hack to the relay that would
disable the timer if the engagement switch were actuated and held
on for a period of time, thus allowing for normal and abnormal
use via the same system.  In an SL (my target) selecting between
the glass heater and something else is easy and obvious, by way
of selective plugging in of various appliances.  Would be different
for any other vehicle.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

2006-02-15 Thread B Dike

Green guys,
  
  Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up  
heavily when the temps drop into the 20s.  It forms an emulsion  with the 
clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio  on top.  
Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the  WVO.  
  Question:  Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a  solution with a 
lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel  and re-emulsify in the 
tank?
  
  Thanks,
  
  

Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
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Chemicals are added to winter diesel to reduce cloud point and I suspect
that mixing the two will reduce the effectiveness of the additives. You can
purchase aftermarket additives that will reduce the clout point of diesel. I
suggest that you experiment with one of these.


Thanks,
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Subject: [MBZ] Bodiesel cloud point

Green guys,
  
  Some of the WVO biodiesel I have been using lately has been clouding up
heavily when the temps drop into the 20s.  It forms an emulsion  with the
clouded fuel in the lower half of the container and clear bio  on top.
Apparently 2 different feedstocks were present in the  WVO.  
  Question:  Will blending the bio with petro diesel create a  solution with
a lower cloud point, or merely dilute the clouded fuel  and re-emulsify in
the tank?
  
  Thanks,
  
  

Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
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Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

Anyone else remember the Ink Spots singing: Have A Match?

GAWD, I think that is 1958 or so.

On 2/15/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Yes I remembermy mom had a couple of his "albums" (for you stinkin'
> kidsthose were big, usually flat black vinyl dics upon which music was
> recorded).
>
>
> Bob Rentfro
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB
>
>
> > Hey guys...
> >
> > Don't tell me that I'm the only one out here in this neighborhood who
> > remembers Percy Faith..
> >
> > http://www.spaceagepop.com/faith.htm
> >
> > And it's a long stretch, but maybe Loren's from the side of the
> > family that spelled the name a bit differently  Faeth
> >
> > Take care and enjoy..
> >
> > Chuck
> > Phoenix AZ.
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Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

Yes I remembermy mom had a couple of his "albums" (for you stinkin' 
kidsthose were big, usually flat black vinyl dics upon which music was 
recorded).



Bob Rentfro


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB



Hey guys...

Don't tell me that I'm the only one out here in this neighborhood who
remembers Percy Faith..

http://www.spaceagepop.com/faith.htm

And it's a long stretch, but maybe Loren's from the side of the
family that spelled the name a bit differently  Faeth

Take care and enjoy..

Chuck
Phoenix AZ.


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Re: [MBZ] A New Toy

2006-02-15 Thread Scott Ritchey

Maybe it depends.  My compression tester came with several adapters,
including one for the 617 injector hole and one for the glow plug holes.  I
think the injectors are easier to remove but you will probably need to
replace the braded hoses as Marshall mentioned.  The book also says to
replace the heat shields (like washers that go under the injectors) but I
have reused the old ones with no ill effects.  But it's good to have spares
on hand in case you lose some.  If you pull the injectors and crank the
motor without removing the heat shields, they may be blown out of their
holes and lost.

Scott Ritchey
Kittrell NC
1982 300SD 220K
1979 300TD 350K

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OK, so if I read this correctly, I am supposed to pull the injectors rather
than the glowplugs?

Randy B

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On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 08:40 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

> My car is a 76 300D so a 115.XXX model and a 617.XXX engine. The
> adapter
> screws into the hole where the glowplug would normally be, right? This
> one
> says it is M24X2.0 which I assume is 24 mm.
>

The injector thread is M24. Filament type series GPs are M18ish,
pencil type parallel GPs M12. If you intend to check compression at the
GPs an elbow(90) will be needed.
I pull all the injectors when checking compression, easier access.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread David Brodbeck

OK Don wrote:
> Ah - good catch!
> Maybe just fire a relay with the defroster - run them both at the ame time?

I thought his goal was to *not* have the charger be on a timer, but to
have it run continuously once switched on.

Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread OK Don

Ah - good catch!
Maybe just fire a relay with the defroster - run them both at the ame time?

On 2/14/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK Don wrote:
> > Tap the line close to the defroster - run the wire to a SPDT switch,
> > run one side back to the defroster, anjd the other to the charger ---
> > then you can use the defrost switch on the dash to "time" either one.
> >
>
> Not sure but the load (resistance) of the thing being timed MIGHT
> influence the time. When the load of the turn signals is halved, they
> flash twice as fast (and that's controlled by the combination relay timer).
>
> Marshall
> --

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Re: [MBZ] Cheney Good, Guns Good

"Mom" told me several years ago that she respects what John does, but sure
hoped he wouldn't have to take a bullet for Clinton.    I'd express my
own opinion of that but don't know if USSS is monitoring this channel or
BUSH not.   :-)

Hopefully in a few years he can guard another Clinton. About time for the
PMS group to sit in the Oval Office.

On 2/15/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Stop, drop and roll.
>
> On 2/14/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Guess he does this a lot, and the USSS always makes sure to stay on the
> > non-lethal end of the shotgun!  Must be training that TX attorneys don't
> > receive.
>
> Casey
> Olympia, WA
> Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
> '87 300TD intercooler (211k)
> '84 300D (210k)
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


OK Don wrote:

Tap the line close to the defroster - run the wire to a SPDT switch,
run one side back to the defroster, anjd the other to the charger ---
then you can use the defrost switch on the dash to "time" either one.



Not sure but the load (resistance) of the thing being timed MIGHT 
influence the time. When the load of the turn signals is halved, they 
flash twice as fast (and that's controlled by the combination relay timer).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


Do 123s have the same sort of defrost timer?


Yes, I think everything since mid 114/115 does.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cheney Good, Guns Good

Stop, drop and roll.

On 2/14/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Guess he does this a lot, and the USSS always makes sure to stay on the
> non-lethal end of the shotgun!  Must be training that TX attorneys don't
> receive.

Casey
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'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread OK Don

Tap the line close to the defroster - run the wire to a SPDT switch,
run one side back to the defroster, anjd the other to the charger ---
then you can use the defrost switch on the dash to "time" either one.

On 2/14/06, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thnx, Marshall.  Just had a thought that I may be able to use defroster
> circuit to charge mobility scooter in trunk; I'm using cig lighter socket
> now.  'Think I read in owner's manual coupla days ago that a timer cuts
> power to defroster after 20 min.  Be it 20, 15 or whatever time, if the
> timer regulates other things, too, I can't use that circuit for charger.
>
> Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers



On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 09:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


English to Berryman translation, have full time job, have another full
time job, have part time parts business.  See the situation?  Will 
check
the bucket 'o' calipers either tomorrow evening when I get home again 
or

first thing thursday morning.

John Berryman wrote:



	Roger that!! I'm not used to you being so uhhh.employed. My 
condolences.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers

just no time to manage, until after the 1st of the month when I am 
mostly out of the newspaper paper business that is.


Kevin wrote:


On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:32:45PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

English to Berryman translation, have full time job, have another full 
time job, have part time parts business.  See the situation?



Poor time management skills? :)

K

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Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers

2006-02-15 Thread Kevin

On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:32:45PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> English to Berryman translation, have full time job, have another full 
> time job, have part time parts business.  See the situation?

Poor time management skills? :)

K

Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers

English to Berryman translation, have full time job, have another full 
time job, have part time parts business.  See the situation?  Will check 
the bucket 'o' calipers either tomorrow evening when I get home again or 
first thing thursday morning.


John Berryman wrote:


On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 07:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



Have not found any yet.





Kleb to English Translation: I didn't look yet.

Go look, will send $$.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers



On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 07:41 PM, Alan Duff wrote:


I've got two on the front of a '75 280S but you will have to take the
whole car to get them.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN



What does that entail?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers



On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 07:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Have not found any yet.




Kleb to English Translation: I didn't look yet.

Go look, will send $$.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Cheney Good, Guns Good

My baby brother (me born '52, him born '61) is a Secret Service Agent in
Presidential protection.

Talked to my folks tonight -- die-hard right wingers. As a joke, said, "So,
is John going to go quail hunting with Cheney?"  The answer shocked me --
"He already has, several times."

Guess he does this a lot, and the USSS always makes sure to stay on the
non-lethal end of the shotgun!  Must be training that TX attorneys don't
receive.

D.

Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

Yea, I do. ... Black and white tv when I was in elementary school in the
50s.

On 2/15/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey guys...
>
> Don't tell me that I'm the only one out here in this neighborhood who
> remembers Percy Faith..
>
> http://www.spaceagepop.com/faith.htm
>
> And it's a long stretch, but maybe Loren's from the side of the
> family that spelled the name a bit differently  Faeth
>
> Take care and enjoy..
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ.
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Re: [MBZ] Cheney Good, Guns Good

2006-02-15 Thread Curt Raymond

Rule #1 of firearms safety always be sure of your target and whats beyond it, 
when in doubt don't shoot.
   
  How do we know that the guy "walked in front of Cheney"? I haven't read or 
seen any real explanation of what happened. 
  CNN sez "Whittington, a prominent Texas lawyer and a campaign donor to the 
Bush-Cheney campaigns in 2000 and 2004, was hit on the right side of his face, 
neck and chest when Cheney, an avid hunter, turned and fired on a covey of 
quail at a ranch near Kingsville, Texas, on Saturday."
  What I figure is Cheney spotted the quail, forgot his buddy was there and 
blasted him. Happens all the time and was covered in the video test when I took 
hunters ed back in '92. I actually got that one wrong on the test because I 
forgot which side the buddy was supposed to be on...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:33:32 -0600
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The shootee walked into the field of fire without announcing his 
presence, a dumb maneuver and he should have known better or should 
have 
stayed on the porch.  Has nothing to do with whether the veep or some 
random Bubba shot him, the guy did something stupid, and the shooter 
had 
no reason to expect that someone was there.  In this type of hunting, 
that's how it is.  No laws broken, except perhaps another supporting 
observation for Darwinism.  It was an accident, which happen in many 
and 
varied ways to most everyone.

The permit he didn't have was recently newly instituted, TDFW says many 
hunters do not yet know about it, so if they are found without the 
permit they get a small fine and the sticker.  It's no big deal, like a 
parking ticket.  Yeah, he should have known (or somebody should have) 
but it hardly ranks up there with murder by the imperial class.

Not really a whole lot to rant about here, but bandwidth is cheap.

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Hey guys...

Don't tell me that I'm the only one out here in this neighborhood who  
remembers Percy Faith..

http://www.spaceagepop.com/faith.htm

And it's a long stretch, but maybe Loren's from the side of the  
family that spelled the name a bit differently  Faeth

Take care and enjoy..

Chuck
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

Do 123s have the same sort of defrost timer?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheney Good, Guns Good

2006-02-15 Thread Anthony Galioto

I WOULD RATHER GO HUNTING WITH CHENY THAN A DRIVE WITH TED KENNEDY.
ANTHONY

On 2/14/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "George" had a weapon of mass de-truck-ion!
>
> On 2/14/06, Kaleb C. Striplin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> >
> > Denial is derailed again.
> >
> > paul wrote:
> >
> > > Hey George - you wrap that lethal weapon of your's (w129) around any
> > > pickups lately?
> > >
> > > p.
> > >
> > > George Gregory wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>BT  Wrong
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Bush Good, Guns Good

2006-02-15 Thread lee

"Party of Tolerance?" 

What party is that?

Do you think I am a Democrat?

I am not. 

They are not my "type," I am not theirs. 

You assume a great deal. 

Lee

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 2:04, paul wrote:
> spoken well from a card-carrying member of the "Party of Tolerance".
>
> p.
>
> lee wrote:
> >I for one am not mad at Cheney for this, not at all.
> >
> >He can shoot as many Texas millionaires as he likes with my blessings.
> >
> >He needs to upgrade from the 28 guage, though, and buy a real shotgun.
> >
> >Lee
> >
> >On Tuesday 14 February 2006 9:43, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >>The tragedy was that Cheney seriously wounded a fellow Republican, and in
> >>addition is being savaged by the commiepinkolibrall press.  The poor man
> >> is suffering enough already and needs our prayers...  Let's back off and
> >> give him some privacy.
> >>
> >>On 2/13/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Cheney was just accidentally exercising his 2nd Amendment rights.
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] quick CarFax on this please


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LT Don wrote:


Thinking of a last minute bid tomorrow -- sort of a poor man's Suburban.
Heck, it is less than an hour east of me.


*1G1BN81Y4HX133353
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[MBZ] quick CarFax on this please

Thinking of a last minute bid tomorrow -- sort of a poor man's Suburban.
Heck, it is less than an hour east of me.


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Re: [MBZ] Highly Sought After Celebrity Owned MB

You are not a Baby Boomer, are you?

On 14 Feb 2006 22:48:02 -, Alan Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If it were Percy Sledge I might be interested I don't know who Percy Faith
> is.
>
> Alan Duff
> Knoxville, TN
>
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:31:20 -0700, "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote :
>
> > I know when I make my list of celebrity owned MBs I would kill to have,
> this one is at the top of the list...
> >
> > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/132526780.html
> >
> >
> > Bob Rentfro
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer


Thnx, Marshall.  Just had a thought that I may be able to use defroster
circuit to charge mobility scooter in trunk; I'm using cig lighter 
socket

now.  'Think I read in owner's manual coupla days ago that a timer cuts
power to defroster after 20 min.


I have a similar idea to run a travel cooler in the back of our
SL's, the plug is accessible even.  But the timer was really a
pain to keep track of.  I've got some circuit ideas, but it'll
take a session or two of reverse-engineering of the timer to
see if it's practical.  May never happen.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] some info please

2006-02-15 Thread Hendrik Riessen


all diesel 123's you mean

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] some info please



all 123's will have engines with cast iron heads.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks to all that replied a couple of weeks a go to my inquiry about a 
240
d , well in reading some more i believe i should settle on a 300 d , 
still i
would like the 123 chassis , but should i be looking for one that has the 
cast

 iron head or the one with the alloy one , i guess the change was made in
1983 ?  is this an issue of concern ? Thanx for your reply .. Joe
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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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Re: [MBZ] 116 front calipers

2006-02-15 Thread Alan Duff

I've got two on the front of a '75 280S but you will have to take the 
whole car to get them. 

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:30:43 -0600, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Have not found any yet.
> 
> John Berryman wrote:
> 
> > Ooohh Kaaaleb!!
> > 
> > 1979 116 300SD Bendix front calipers x 2 ?
> >

[MBZ] 116 front calipers


Ooohh Kaaaleb!!

1979 116 300SD Bendix front calipers x 2 ?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Have not found any yet.

John Berryman wrote:


Ooohh Kaaaleb!!

1979 116 300SD Bendix front calipers x 2 ?

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] A New MB Model!?!?

yea, I did.  It came from john gregg, then I sold it to that shuler dude 
a while back.


Mitch Haley wrote:


Zeitgeist wrote:


Some folks will say just about anything in order to SEL their car.


 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/131647167.html

Didn't somebody on this list or the old diesel list have a 108 SEL
with a 617 in it?

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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] A New MB Model!?!?

2006-02-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Zeitgeist wrote:
> 
> Some folks will say just about anything in order to SEL their car.
 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/131647167.html

Didn't somebody on this list or the old diesel list have a 108 SEL
with a 617 in it?

[MBZ] 124 rear defroster timer

2006-02-15 Thread wilton strickland

Thnx, Marshall.  Just had a thought that I may be able to use defroster
circuit to charge mobility scooter in trunk; I'm using cig lighter socket
now.  'Think I read in owner's manual coupla days ago that a timer cuts
power to defroster after 20 min.  Be it 20, 15 or whatever time, if the
timer regulates other things, too, I can't use that circuit for charger.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] 201 heater fan



On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 05:52 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:



I am going tomorrow to look at a POS 201 that needs a heater motor.  I 
am
thinking about it as a winter fliver.  THe owner says it starts easily 
and
runs good.  Does anyone know how hard it is or what the book time is 
to R&R
the heater motor?  What should I expect to pay for a used motor from a 
non

P&P junkyard?



	They're a cinch to do. I doubt you'll find a good one in the boneyard 
but good luck. I bought a new one quite a few years back and it cost me 
about $249. You can expect that price to have gone up about 50% by now.



	You'll have to pull a couple of weatherstrips, unscrew the fasteners 
for the firewall, remove the air intake screen and it'll be staring you 
in the face. The box has some straps and clips, some are hidden 
underneath but no problem.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] some info please



On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, at 05:35 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


What year is your 116? I don't think the 116 ever got EGR, which
should make a 1980 feel stronger than the average 126 or 123 turbo.
My '79 w116 can peel out from a standing start, but isn't that fast,
it runs out of breath pretty quick at higher rpm. Gets 27 mpg at 80mph.



	1979, no EGR. Mine doesn't actually smoke 'em up but it does jump. The 
engine and tranny in that old gal are sweet. I mean it just runs so 
damned good and shifts are perfect. It has the rod, I flipped the 
plastic bushing over because the rod was coming close to hitting or 
hitting stuff making the trans shift a little off.

I'd buy another under the right circumstances.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] A New MB Model!?!?

Some folks will say just about anything in order to SEL their car.

On 2/14/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stop the presses!!
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/131647167.html

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (210k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

Re: [MBZ] some info please


OK smartie, i was talking about diesels :)

Marshall Booth wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


all 123's will have engines with cast iron heads.



I don't think the 280E has an iron head - or the 230E either. The 123 
diesels all had iron heads.


Marshall


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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Bush Good, Guns Good

2006-02-15 Thread Mitch Haley

R A Bennell wrote:
> Guess what - the loudest voice of the democratic party (for lack of a
> better term)- Ted Kennedy - got drunk, drove a car into the water,
> killed a girl, and his political career never skipped a beat.

Election 1980, Eddie decides to run against a sitting president from
his own party. President declares he wants a clean primary race, and 
pledges to never say Chappaquiddick. (well, gee wizz Jimmy, I think
you just said it) The Kennedy campaign never seemed to gain any 
traction after that. 
Anybody got the lyrics to the Styx song "Eddie" handy?
"Eddie, now don't you run, you know you're a bootlegger's son..."

Re: [MBZ] some info please


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

all 123's will have engines with cast iron heads.


I don't think the 280E has an iron head - or the 230E either. The 123 
diesels all had iron heads.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 201 heater fan