Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub

[Barry Stark]

Kevin -
If the NAPA store doesn't have it you can go to McMaster-Carr.

www.mcmastercarr.com  and search for "91732A824" includes the tap, 5 inserts
and the installation tool. For an insert that size you could easily break
off the installation tang with some needle nose pliers or an appropriately
sized punch if you are careful $45.20 for the kit.

and if you need the 12.5mm tap drill for the insert search for "2958A169"
$8.35 each. You are also going to need a 1/2" drill motor to turn this drill
(.492")

Barry


>
> Well the tap didn't work. I thought it might but the bolt won't take the
> 82 ft-lbs that's required. So now I need to find a helicoil kit. Pepboyz
> didn't have anything larger than 11mm. Anyone know for sure if one of the
> major chains carries M12 x 1.5 kits? I'll be calling around at lunch
> trying to hunt one down I guess. Hopefully, this is the last hurdle to
> getting this project car on the road.
>
> ...Kevin

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Theres just not enough energy in today's PV cells to make it worth it.

The solar racers are like four wheel streamlined bicycles with enough
PV to cover 2 or 3 billiard tables. They can do 40mph in direct sunlight,
but they could probably go that fast in the dark if you gave the driver
a crank and pedals. 
If you want to extend the range of something like a VoltsRabbit with PV
on the roof, we're probably talking about adding an extra 100 yards to
the vehicle's range. Now if you want to cover your garage roof with PV,
you should be able to take care of LtDon's commute except in extended
cloudy weather. 

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Curt Raymond]

Since I'm a day behind in the digest that somebody else has already pointed 
this out but...
Theres no way you could carry enough solar cells on any kind of a practical car 
to do any amount of 
solar assist.
That solar car that made all the news was really like a flatbed truck (a very 
light flatbed truck) covered with
cells. Theres just not enough energy in today's PV cells to make it worth it.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:06:55 -0400
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Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola oil.

The solution is an amalgam of synergistic technologies - photovoltainc 
solar
assist cells on the roof of the car, in combination with the 
aforementioned
biodiesel-electric hybrid motor.


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I think the question is does the SRS system monitor the state of the  
pre-tensioners
and tell if you if they are faulty/disconnected. Or is it just two  
wires, power and ground to fire them?

Likely the SRS computer  fires them with the air bags if it knows the  
seat belt is being used.


On 30-Aug-06, at 2:41 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote:

> What, drive it into a wall?
> Seriously I am interested to know how they function, are there  
> sensors which
> detect the crumple zone crumpling or is there a sensor in the seat  
> belt
> mechanism which can tell when an emergencey situation exists?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess
>

John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

[MBZ] 300SD 2-3 shift flare fixed with K-1 spring kit

[Kris Gilmore]

 My 83 300SD has been inclined to over speed when shifting from second 
to third under light load when not fully warmed up.  It has done this since 
I got it about 30,000 miles ago. I have messed with the modulator 
adjustment and tried switching to Mobil 1 ATF.  Both these actions helped 
some but did not eliminate the problem.  I had read that if in this 
situation , i. e. everything else works OK except for the 2 - 3 flare,  a 
replacement K-1 accumulator spring kit can be the answer.  There is a write 
up about it on Richard Sexton's old MBZ site but the pictures are gone.  By 
Googling   k-1 spring kit  I found some pictures and discussion 
at   http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=140495Tom 
at BuyMBparts knew what I was talking about and sent part # A126 270 44 77, 
labeled a thrust pin, cost something like $12.  So when I changed the fluid 
and filter this time I also replaced the K-1.  Success!  Works perfectly so 
far, about 100 miles.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

[archer]

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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:47 PM
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I want to be on your team!

I had been attending Oberlin for over a year before I realized they
had a football team. They were rather proud of their record - not a
single win in 5 years.

-Dave Walton

On 8/30/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dave Walton wrote:



"You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. "Kansas City
Law" I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style
free-for-all with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could
host it?"



The firm picnics/bar-b-Q/barn parties are always fun and drama-free.
However, the thing that does turn into a WWF style fighting is Lawyer's
League Softball.  Some firms take softball WAY too seriously.  Our firm
joined up with another firm to form a team.  Our goal is to drink beer
and have fun.  We usually lose more than we win - but we have fun and it
never turns into a fight.  However, a few of the teams have try-outs and
practices.  One firm has $300 bats and every member of the team is
wearing cleats and matching softball pants and shirts.  The really
serious teams break out the tape measure to make sure the bases are
spaced appropriately (to the inch). That same team has nothing but
Gatorade and water in their cooler.   We just started putting a few
waters in the cooler (instead of all beer) because our 65 yr old female
scorekeeper wants a little water with her Chivas. We keep a couple of
spare gloves because a few members of the team don't have their own.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K

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Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

[Hendrik Riessen]

What, drive it into a wall?
Seriously I am interested to know how they function, are there sensors which 
detect the crumple zone crumpling or is there a sensor in the seat belt 
mechanism which can tell when an emergencey situation exists?


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess



On an unrelated safety note, while fixing the central locking in my 85
201 I
noticed that it is fitted with seat belt force pre tensioners, wonder
wether
they still work?


One sure way to find out!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Short??

[Hendrik Riessen]

I just bought the car, so I did not install the pads/rotors.
Anyway not the end of the world, just one of lifes little annoyances.
Thanks for the link and I might give the brakes a bit of a work out to see 
if it helps.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??



Did you properly seat (bed) the brake pads when you installed them? This
is an important procedure that is often overlooked. It is more important
for some types of pads than others.

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85

Tom Potter

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??

...

Hendrik
with bloody squeally brakes in the new 201..yes I put brake
grease
everywhere I possibly
could..grr.but
the sunroof suns

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Tank Anatomy

[Harry Watkins]

Ned

If its like my SDL it has a plastic pre filter.  Replace or bypass that for
a test drive.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

- Original Message - 
From: "ned kleinhenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> My '95 E300D starts and runs for 15 to 30 seconds, then stalls.  I suspect
> algae or other debris in the fuel tank.
>
> To remove and clean the screen inside the fuel tank of a 124 -
> Do I have to remove the tank?  Or can screen be removed from under the
car?
> How is it attached?
>
> These things are not clear in the manual... I ask because I'm trying to
> figure out if this is something that can be done in an hour or two?   Or
> does this require a day or two?
>
> Are there pit falls to look out for?
>
> Thanks,
> Ned Kleinhenz
>
> '95 E300D x2
> '85 300D
> '80 300TD

[MBZ] Fuel Tank Anatomy

[ned kleinhenz]

My '95 E300D starts and runs for 15 to 30 seconds, then stalls.  I suspect
algae or other debris in the fuel tank.

To remove and clean the screen inside the fuel tank of a 124 -
Do I have to remove the tank?  Or can screen be removed from under the car?
How is it attached?

These things are not clear in the manual... I ask because I'm trying to
figure out if this is something that can be done in an hour or two?   Or
does this require a day or two?

Are there pit falls to look out for?

Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz

'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[Jim Cathey]

I think the W123 did not have an electric vac pump, only started with
the W126 (in the trunk) and the W124 (under the rear seat).


No electrics in 123 to my knowledge.  The only car that I know of
to have both electric and non-electric vacuum systems was the 107.
So 114/115, 116, 107, and 123 go the two-line tanked system, whereas
107, 124, 201, and 126 got the one-line pumped system.

Newer than these and you're on your own!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[Alan Duff]

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 



Alan,


I assumed you had an electric vacuum pump as most all MB  from about  82 
on

have them.   Kaleb says no and he has a bunch of them.


It is a mechanical pump in the same place as all the other 123's I have had.

Alan

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[Desert Rat]

I think the W123 did not have an electric vac pump, only started with
the W126 (in the trunk) and the W124 (under the rear seat).

On 8/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:23:15 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Where is  the vacuum pump located? That is probably
the first place to look for the  alarm problem.



Allan,

I assumed you had an electric vacuum pump as most all MB  from about  82 on
have them.   Kaleb says no and he has a bunch of them. IF you  have one, it
would be in the spare tire well or under the back seat passenger  side.  It will
be enclosed in a triangular shaped foam rubber for  silencing, about 6 inches
on a side and 4 inches deep..

Alarm failures are often blamed on the Bosch module which you will find
under the passenger side carpeting or on the firewall, under the  carpeting.  A
known good spare would be good here.  Another point of  failure is the electric
switch on the drivers door latch, operated by your  key.  When this contact
sticks, the alarm thinks you are being  thefted.  The switch will sometimes
change position in the middle of the  night, setting off your alarm.  Cleaning 
the
switch will often fix the  alarm problem.

Now VERY curious to know if you have an electric vacuum pump

Good luck,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 145 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:23:15 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Where is  the vacuum pump located? That is probably 
the first place to look for the  alarm problem.



Allan,
 
I assumed you had an electric vacuum pump as most all MB  from about  82 on 
have them.   Kaleb says no and he has a bunch of them. IF you  have one, it 
would be in the spare tire well or under the back seat passenger  side.  It 
will 
be enclosed in a triangular shaped foam rubber for  silencing, about 6 inches 
on a side and 4 inches deep..
 
Alarm failures are often blamed on the Bosch module which you will find  
under the passenger side carpeting or on the firewall, under the  carpeting.  A 
known good spare would be good here.  Another point of  failure is the electric 
switch on the drivers door latch, operated by your  key.  When this contact 
sticks, the alarm thinks you are being  thefted.  The switch will sometimes 
change position in the middle of the  night, setting off your alarm.  Cleaning 
the 
switch will often fix the  alarm problem.
 
Now VERY curious to know if you have an electric vacuum pump
 
Good luck,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 145 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this

[Zeitgeist]

I've just got one question for you; What's the matter with Kansas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansas

On 8/30/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



We are in Kansas - a solidly republican state, yet we have 7 democrats
and only one big truck .



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (217k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

[Loren Faeth]

My uncle played softball in Hilo, HI for years.  They always had coolers 
full of beer.  After he got too old to play, they made him in charge of the 
coolers, to be sure there was always ice and beeah!  They never seemed to 
care what the score was, or who won or lost, they were out to have fun!


At 11:47 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:

I want to be on your team!

I had been attending Oberlin for over a year before I realized they
had a football team. They were rather proud of their record - not a
single win in 5 years.

-Dave Walton

On 8/30/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Walton wrote:
>
>
>
> "You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. "Kansas City
> Law" I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style
> free-for-all with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could
> host it?"
>
>
>
> The firm picnics/bar-b-Q/barn parties are always fun and drama-free.
> However, the thing that does turn into a WWF style fighting is Lawyer's
> League Softball.  Some firms take softball WAY too seriously.  Our firm
> joined up with another firm to form a team.  Our goal is to drink beer
> and have fun.  We usually lose more than we win - but we have fun and it
> never turns into a fight.  However, a few of the teams have try-outs and
> practices.  One firm has $300 bats and every member of the team is
> wearing cleats and matching softball pants and shirts.  The really
> serious teams break out the tape measure to make sure the bases are
> spaced appropriately (to the inch). That same team has nothing but
> Gatorade and water in their cooler.   We just started putting a few
> waters in the cooler (instead of all beer) because our 65 yr old female
> scorekeeper wants a little water with her Chivas. We keep a couple of
> spare gloves because a few members of the team don't have their own.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
> 1990 300SEL 129K
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

[dave walton]

I want to be on your team!

I had been attending Oberlin for over a year before I realized they
had a football team. They were rather proud of their record - not a
single win in 5 years.

-Dave Walton

On 8/30/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dave Walton wrote:



"You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. "Kansas City
Law" I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style
free-for-all with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could
host it?"



The firm picnics/bar-b-Q/barn parties are always fun and drama-free.
However, the thing that does turn into a WWF style fighting is Lawyer's
League Softball.  Some firms take softball WAY too seriously.  Our firm
joined up with another firm to form a team.  Our goal is to drink beer
and have fun.  We usually lose more than we win - but we have fun and it
never turns into a fight.  However, a few of the teams have try-outs and
practices.  One firm has $300 bats and every member of the team is
wearing cleats and matching softball pants and shirts.  The really
serious teams break out the tape measure to make sure the bases are
spaced appropriately (to the inch). That same team has nothing but
Gatorade and water in their cooler.   We just started putting a few
waters in the cooler (instead of all beer) because our 65 yr old female
scorekeeper wants a little water with her Chivas. We keep a couple of
spare gloves because a few members of the team don't have their own.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K

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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

[Donald Snook]

Dave Walton wrote: 

 

"You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. "Kansas City
Law" I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style
free-for-all with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could
host it?" 

 

The firm picnics/bar-b-Q/barn parties are always fun and drama-free.
However, the thing that does turn into a WWF style fighting is Lawyer's
League Softball.  Some firms take softball WAY too seriously.  Our firm
joined up with another firm to form a team.  Our goal is to drink beer
and have fun.  We usually lose more than we win - but we have fun and it
never turns into a fight.  However, a few of the teams have try-outs and
practices.  One firm has $300 bats and every member of the team is
wearing cleats and matching softball pants and shirts.  The really
serious teams break out the tape measure to make sure the bases are
spaced appropriately (to the inch). That same team has nothing but
Gatorade and water in their cooler.   We just started putting a few
waters in the cooler (instead of all beer) because our 65 yr old female
scorekeeper wants a little water with her Chivas. We keep a couple of
spare gloves because a few members of the team don't have their own.   

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K 

Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[Jim Cathey]

tool I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool.


I believe that you can do this job with big washers and spacers,
but with more fooling around.  I did it on my wife's SL that way.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] mirror glass removal

[Jim Cathey]

I have been told that I can replace the glass mirror without
removing the mirror housing.


Absolutely.  The job is either trivial or merely easy, depending
on whether or not you have heated mirrors.  (I think.)  Some glass,
the heated kind I thought, is retained by a circular metal spring
clip you release by folding the mirror head back against the car
and poking around through the open hinge.  The non-heated kind
just pries out.  If you try to pry out one that's clip-retained
you'll break the glass.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 heater core?

[Jim Cathey]

I'll take the car as is if you deliver and give me $500.

You can try prying it out of my cold dead hands for eight times that.


Everybody note: this is the response _before_ doing the job!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

[Jim Cathey]

On an unrelated safety note, while fixing the central locking in my 85 
201 I
noticed that it is fitted with seat belt force pre tensioners, wonder 
wether

they still work?


One sure way to find out!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[Alan Duff]

I just drove the 85 300D home yesterday as the temp gauge went quickly to 
red hot but I didn't think the engine was getting hot. Put in a 
replacement gauge yesterday and the temp is fine. Turns out I got it from 
the original owner, he purchased it in Delaware and brought it to East 
Tenn when he moved here. Going to work on sorting out the alarm issue and 
do a routine tune up. If it works out I will make it my daily driver and 
let the 91 300CE rest a while. It is the Desert Red, one of my favorite MB 
colors. The leather interior is fried from the sun but I have a pristine 
MB Tex interior in a '83 300D that I will swap out. The 83 was hit in the 
front end and got a half-a** repair as the hood doesn't fit correctly, it 
will soon go to Ebay. Where is the vacuum pump located? That is probably 
the first place to look for the alarm problem.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN


On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:23:14 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
> Alan,
>  
> Have you ever looked at your electric vacuum pump.  I think the ones  
that 
> come with the factory security system have some extra relays built into  
them 
> and a LOT more wires coming out of them.  Most have 3 or 5 wires but  
one I saw 
> had about 15.
>  
> Just curious and wondering if the spare vacuum pump I have is rare.
>  

Re: [MBZ] new webmail check

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

text

Luther wrote:

is this plain text or attached?

Luther

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[MBZ] new webmail check

[Luther]

is this plain text or attached?

Luther

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodieselrelavent to this list)

[Frederick Moir]

Verry Carefully!
  Fred Moir
  Lynn MA

"Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  How does one jump (start) one of these little hermaphrodites?

Tom Potter



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I called on a cheap 300E in Chicago.  Turned out the price was missing a 0, 
but was already sold.  This guy seemed to be a fleet manager for some 
downtown law firm.  Said he just got in a low mile 300E from GA, Spiffy 
clean, but no pics, wanted $3500 and said it would be sold before the day 
was over.  He was telling me that most of his used cars sell for over 
$30k.  Most of them are the so called luxury brands, and a lot of SUV types.

I passed on the E, because i don't have the money right now, and I am very 
reluctant to buy a car sight unseen.  I was looking for a parts car 124.

Loren

At 08:25 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
>Curt wrote:
>
>
>
>"Interestingly I find that lawyers rarely drive 'em. ALL the lawers I
>know (6 right now, met another yesterday) drive Audi. Most of the MALE
>IT people I know drive pickup trucks. One guy I work with has a Dodge
>2500 v10. The bed is pristine, never hauled anything."
>
>
>
>Well speaking for lawyers in Kansas (and more specifically at my firm)
>none of us drive Audis.  We have 16 Lawyers here.  The lawyers at my
>firm drive a variety of cars. (In order of seniority, but not in order
>of income)(Since we are also talking about politics I will include
>political designations).
>
>
>
>1.  Chrysler 300 (Most senior partner 76 years old) Democrat
>2.  94 Toyota Camry -- Democrat
>3.  Big Dodge 4 Door Pickup (From Texas - sort of always wears
>cowboy boots have longhorns mounted on the wall of his office (Truck
>always dirty - not because it's a work truck, but because he is a
>building a new house and driving on the construction site) Hard Core
>Republican
>4.  ~2000 Lexus ES300 - Democrat (Sort of)
>5.  ~2001 Cadillac Deville - Republican
>6.  ~2002 Acura RL - Republican
>7.  2000 Ford Explorer (Female Lawyer -- wants to trade for Lexus RX
>330) Democrat, but registered Republican
>8.  2005 Lexus LX 470 (Big Money Partner - Always spotless and
>shiny) Democrat
>9.  1989 Buick Century (Brilliant Constitutional law specialist -
>car has never seen a carwash clothes have never seen an Iron) Republican
>
>10. 2005 Nissan Altima Republican
>11. 1998 Ford Taurus - (Proud that his car is crappy) Democrat -
>but religious conservative
>12. 2002 Nissan Maxima Republican (Fox News is home page)
>13. 1990 Mercedes 300SEL Hard Core Republican, but not wacko
>conservative
>14. 2000 BMW 530i (Nice car - Pit Bull Lawyer) Republican (I think)
>15. 2004 Saturn L100 (Female Lawyer - cracked windshield dents,
>noisy brakes, dog slobber all over interior) Old School Yellow Dog
>Democrat
>16. 2001 Jeep Cherokee (brand new lawyer). Democrat
>
>
>
>We are in Kansas - a solidly republican state, yet we have 7 democrats
>and only one big truck .
>
>
>
>Donald H. Snook
>
>1990 300SEL 129
>
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Re: [MBZ] Short??

[dave walton]

Kinda useless for the most part. 400 to 500 miles of moderate driving
is fine, but if I need to use "heavy braking" - I wont have much of a
choice in the matter.

-Dave Walton


On 8/30/06, Potter, Tom  E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Did you properly seat (bed) the brake pads when you installed them? This
is an important procedure that is often overlooked. It is more important
for some types of pads than others.

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85

Tom Potter

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??

...

Hendrik
with bloody squeally brakes in the new 201..yes I put brake
grease
everywhere I possibly
could..grr.but
the sunroof suns

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Re: [MBZ] Short??

[BillR]

Barry hit this one on the head.  Turned out that the bolt holding the
battery ground was cross threaded and would not tighten properly.  Tap and a
new bolt plus a through cleaning took care of that [at my nephew's shop] and
most electrical problems seem to have disappeared.  Oil pressure still pegs
with the key, though.  Probably another ground problem, or perhaps some
debris in there or a faulty switch.  That will be gotten into soon.
Thanks for all the responses.  I much prefer going into it with some idea
what might be wrong.
BillR
Jacksonville  FL  
1981 300SD  279k

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??

Having spend half the day helping a friend with alternator troubles I would
not rule out a malfunctioning altternator. It may be putting out less than
what it is supposed too, easy to take out and have an auto sparky test.
Cough cough...clearing the throat for my solo number called.Just
a stab in the dark

Hendrik
with bloody squeally brakes in the new 201..yes I put brake grease
everywhere I possibly could..grr.but
the sunroof suns

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From: "Barry Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??


> Bill -
> In my experience with things electrical and M/B if a bunch of weird stuff
> starts happening it has got to either be a bad ground somewhere or a blown
> fuse on an Over voltage Protection Relay. Since the '81 300SD doesn't have

> a
> OPR then.
> Like the other listers have said, battery ground cable, bonding cables or
> the grounds behind the instrument cluster. When you were changing out the
> flasher you probably saw all the brown ground wires there. There must be
> like 20 of them. On the battery ground cable be sure the wire lug is clean
> and also the body that the lug is clamped against.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this

[dave walton]

You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. "Kansas City Law"
I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style free-for-all
with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could host it?

-Dave Walton

On 8/30/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Curt wrote:



"Interestingly I find that lawyers rarely drive 'em. ALL the lawers I
know (6 right now, met another yesterday) drive Audi. Most of the MALE
IT people I know drive pickup trucks. One guy I work with has a Dodge
2500 v10. The bed is pristine, never hauled anything."



Well speaking for lawyers in Kansas (and more specifically at my firm)
none of us drive Audis.  We have 16 Lawyers here.  The lawyers at my
firm drive a variety of cars. (In order of seniority, but not in order
of income)(Since we are also talking about politics I will include
political designations).



1.  Chrysler 300 (Most senior partner 76 years old) Democrat
2.  94 Toyota Camry -- Democrat
3.  Big Dodge 4 Door Pickup (From Texas - sort of always wears
cowboy boots have longhorns mounted on the wall of his office (Truck
always dirty - not because it's a work truck, but because he is a
building a new house and driving on the construction site) Hard Core
Republican
4.  ~2000 Lexus ES300 - Democrat (Sort of)
5.  ~2001 Cadillac Deville - Republican
6.  ~2002 Acura RL - Republican
7.  2000 Ford Explorer (Female Lawyer -- wants to trade for Lexus RX
330) Democrat, but registered Republican
8.  2005 Lexus LX 470 (Big Money Partner - Always spotless and
shiny) Democrat
9.  1989 Buick Century (Brilliant Constitutional law specialist -
car has never seen a carwash clothes have never seen an Iron) Republican

10.  2005 Nissan Altima Republican
11.  1998 Ford Taurus - (Proud that his car is crappy) Democrat -
but religious conservative
12. 2002 Nissan Maxima Republican (Fox News is home page)
13. 1990 Mercedes 300SEL Hard Core Republican, but not wacko
conservative
14. 2000 BMW 530i (Nice car - Pit Bull Lawyer) Republican (I think)
15. 2004 Saturn L100 (Female Lawyer - cracked windshield dents,
noisy brakes, dog slobber all over interior) Old School Yellow Dog
Democrat
16.  2001 Jeep Cherokee (brand new lawyer). Democrat



We are in Kansas - a solidly republican state, yet we have 7 democrats
and only one big truck .



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129

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[MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this

[Donald Snook]

Curt wrote: 

 

"Interestingly I find that lawyers rarely drive 'em. ALL the lawers I
know (6 right now, met another yesterday) drive Audi. Most of the MALE
IT people I know drive pickup trucks. One guy I work with has a Dodge
2500 v10. The bed is pristine, never hauled anything." 

 

Well speaking for lawyers in Kansas (and more specifically at my firm)
none of us drive Audis.  We have 16 Lawyers here.  The lawyers at my
firm drive a variety of cars. (In order of seniority, but not in order
of income)(Since we are also talking about politics I will include
political designations). 

 

1.  Chrysler 300 (Most senior partner 76 years old) Democrat
2.  94 Toyota Camry -- Democrat
3.  Big Dodge 4 Door Pickup (From Texas - sort of always wears
cowboy boots have longhorns mounted on the wall of his office (Truck
always dirty - not because it's a work truck, but because he is a
building a new house and driving on the construction site) Hard Core
Republican
4.  ~2000 Lexus ES300 - Democrat (Sort of)
5.  ~2001 Cadillac Deville - Republican 
6.  ~2002 Acura RL - Republican
7.  2000 Ford Explorer (Female Lawyer -- wants to trade for Lexus RX
330) Democrat, but registered Republican
8.  2005 Lexus LX 470 (Big Money Partner - Always spotless and
shiny) Democrat 
9.  1989 Buick Century (Brilliant Constitutional law specialist -
car has never seen a carwash clothes have never seen an Iron) Republican

10.  2005 Nissan Altima Republican 
11.  1998 Ford Taurus - (Proud that his car is crappy) Democrat -
but religious conservative 
12. 2002 Nissan Maxima Republican (Fox News is home page)
13. 1990 Mercedes 300SEL Hard Core Republican, but not wacko
conservative 
14. 2000 BMW 530i (Nice car - Pit Bull Lawyer) Republican (I think)
15. 2004 Saturn L100 (Female Lawyer - cracked windshield dents,
noisy brakes, dog slobber all over interior) Old School Yellow Dog
Democrat
16.  2001 Jeep Cherokee (brand new lawyer). Democrat

 

We are in Kansas - a solidly republican state, yet we have 7 democrats
and only one big truck . 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129  

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea there will be a little bit of play, the play goes away when the oil 
is pressurized, the shaft rides on a film of oil.  If there is alot of 
play, thats a different story.


Luther Gulseth wrote:


should there be any play in the turbo shaft when it's good?

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:57:44 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



There are no seals in the turbo like you thinking.  They dont dry up and
leak from sitting.  What happens is you suck something in and the fins
get damaged, and cause the shaft to then be imbalanced, which wears
things out.

Luther Gulseth wrote:



seals start to go bad after they haven't been used for a while.

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:




I have plenty of good used ones.  Not sure what recent service has to do
with anything though.

Luther Gulseth wrote:




hell no.   The problem is the turbo.  Do you have a used one that's been


in recent service?












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 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The 123 doesnt have an electric vacuum pump.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:42:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


In  looking through the papers that came with my 1985 300D I found the  
original window invoice. It lists optional equipment, one of which is item  
551, a Anti-Theft Alarm System. The cost was $360. Still don't have it  
fixed, but it is a factory item.





Alan,
 
Have you ever looked at your electric vacuum pump.  I think the ones  that 
come with the factory security system have some extra relays built into  them 
and a LOT more wires coming out of them.  Most have 3 or 5 wires but  one I saw 
had about 15.
 
Just curious and wondering if the spare vacuum pump I have is rare.
 
Regards,  


Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 145 K  miles


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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[andrew strasfogel]

The idea is for the solar cells to continuously recharge the batteries while
driving.  This would extend the length of time the car can run on battery
power.

On 8/30/06, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Given the output of current solar cells and the area available on the
roof of a car, wouldn't you have to leave it parked in full sun for
about a month just to drive it a few miles?

-Dave Walton

On 8/29/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola oil.
>
> The solution is an amalgam of synergistic technologies - photovoltainc
solar
> assist cells on the roof of the car, in combination with the
aforementioned
> biodiesel-electric hybrid motor.
>
> On 8/29/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Though this is really a topic for the biodiesel forum/list
> >
> > My understanding is that Germany was blending B20 using rapeseed for a
> > long time until the EU decided that BioD was a good thing and then
> > legislated a need for it.  With so much more demand, the blend dropped
> > to B5 so that all the oil could meet that need.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:30 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
> >
> > > great; the way this thread went off-course, i wasn't sure if you
ever
> > > got
> > > that!   ;-)
> > >
> > >FWIW, some countries in the EU have reportedly been blending BioD
> > > into
> > > all of their standard #2 supply at a higher percentage than that for
> > > some time without any significant issues reported.
> > >
> > >closer to home, i've been using mostly B100 in our completely
stock
> > > '85
> > > 300D for ~3 yrs/35K miles with no issues; not even any indication of
> > > the need to change a fuel line.
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers!
> > > e
> > >
> > >
> > >> Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a
stock
> > >> vehicle. Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Brian
> > >> 83 240D
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> p.s.
> > >>>   i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking
for?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > 
> >  One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first
(especially
> >  if
> >  it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home
> >  grown
> > 
> >  Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

[OK Don]

In this case, yes - but I thought (could be wrong again -- ) that if
the oil level sensor think's you're too low, it prevents the starter
from turning on. ?
If so, when you're marginally low, and parked at the wrong angle, it
could prevent the car from starting.

On 8/29/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OK Don wrote:
> Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be
> a low oil level issue?
> So there could be at least two causes ---

Oil has NOTHING to do with it! It's all a matter of air getting into the
fuel system and allowing the fuel to flow back toward the tank.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodieselrelavent to this list)

[Potter, Tom E]

How does one jump (start) one of these little hermaphrodites?

Tom Potter

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on
biodieselrelavent to this list)

None of the current breed of Hybrids have any external battery
charging capabilities.

Re: [MBZ] Short??

[Potter, Tom E]

Did you properly seat (bed) the brake pads when you installed them? This
is an important procedure that is often overlooked. It is more important
for some types of pads than others.

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85 

Tom Potter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Riessen
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:54 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??

...

Hendrik
with bloody squeally brakes in the new 201..yes I put brake
grease 
everywhere I possibly
could..grr.but 
the sunroof suns

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[dave walton]

Given the output of current solar cells and the area available on the
roof of a car, wouldn't you have to leave it parked in full sun for
about a month just to drive it a few miles?

-Dave Walton

On 8/29/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola oil.

The solution is an amalgam of synergistic technologies - photovoltainc solar
assist cells on the roof of the car, in combination with the aforementioned
biodiesel-electric hybrid motor.

On 8/29/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Though this is really a topic for the biodiesel forum/list
>
> My understanding is that Germany was blending B20 using rapeseed for a
> long time until the EU decided that BioD was a good thing and then
> legislated a need for it.  With so much more demand, the blend dropped
> to B5 so that all the oil could meet that need.
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:30 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>
> > great; the way this thread went off-course, i wasn't sure if you ever
> > got
> > that!   ;-)
> >
> >FWIW, some countries in the EU have reportedly been blending BioD
> > into
> > all of their standard #2 supply at a higher percentage than that for
> > some time without any significant issues reported.
> >
> >closer to home, i've been using mostly B100 in our completely stock
> > '85
> > 300D for ~3 yrs/35K miles with no issues; not even any indication of
> > the need to change a fuel line.
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> >> Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a stock
> >> vehicle. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >> 83 240D
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> p.s.
> >>>   i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially
>  if
>  it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home
>  grown
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Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[Mitch Haley]

dave walton wrote:
> 
> A loaded semi is more along the lines of 34,000 - 100,000 lbs
> depending on the number of axles. I don't think it really maters what
> you are driving at that point.

When I mentioned 7,000lb trucks, I was talking about modern everyday
commuter vehicles. (although most don't leave the factory with the 
bumper height I mentioned, a lot of fools have lift kits installed
at the dealer before they drive it home) 
The one good thing about semi tractors is they have large flat bumpers that
extend fairly low to the ground, unlike the F350 / Hummer / Excursion
CadillacEscalatingArmsRace types. 
Even the "minivans" are turning into battering rams. I think the
2002-2005 Kia Sedona takes the prize at nearly 5,000lb, beating the
1972 Olds 98 my brother once owned by a clear margin. 

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

[Hendrik Riessen]

Yes well but I would rather be in a Smart than some of these cheap Asian 
cardboxes on wheels.
The human body can withstand a lot of G's but being crushed by cheap metal 
it cannot.
On an unrelated safety note, while fixing the central locking in my 85 201 I 
noticed that it is fitted with seat belt force pre tensioners, wonder wether 
they still work?


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess


>

I have seen the video of a Smart vs a barrier and it's true that the
structure did not fold up. That's important but what was not revealed were 
the
G-forces involved. Since the car has no crush zones to speak of, the 
G-forces would
be much higher than, let us say, my W203 which has all that structure in 
front

of the firewall to progressively collapse before the car comes to a halt.

In the TUV offset barrier crash test G-force charts (seen in Auto motor 
und
Sport) , there is a significant difference in peak and rate of rise 
G-forces in

various makes.

Even considering it's product's prices, Smart has continued to hemorrhage
money right from the get-go. Too expensive for value received.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Hendrik Riessen]

In the Mercedes maintenance world usally the wheel bearings are cleaned, 
inspected and if serviceable repacked with fresh grease when the rotors are 
replaced/machined.
There is a method to the madness, then again if you are one those people 
that believes in reactive maintenance perhaps a Japanese car might be more 
to your liking.


- Original Message - 
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light


That said, my rotors are probably overdue for replacement.  If only I 
didn't

have to mess with the dang wheel bearings.  That's just stupid in my mind.
I love my Isuzu's and Subaru's where the rear discs are the same as the
front.  You take off the caliper and the roto just slides off.

Levi

Re: [MBZ] Short??

[Hendrik Riessen]

Having spend half the day helping a friend with alternator troubles I would 
not rule out a malfunctioning altternator. It may be putting out less than 
what it is supposed too, easy to take out and have an auto sparky test.
Cough cough...clearing the throat for my solo number called.Just 
a stab in the dark


Hendrik
with bloody squeally brakes in the new 201..yes I put brake grease 
everywhere I possibly could..grr.but 
the sunroof suns


- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??



Bill -
In my experience with things electrical and M/B if a bunch of weird stuff
starts happening it has got to either be a bad ground somewhere or a blown
fuse on an Over voltage Protection Relay. Since the '81 300SD doesn't have 
a

OPR then.
Like the other listers have said, battery ground cable, bonding cables or
the grounds behind the instrument cluster. When you were changing out the
flasher you probably saw all the brown ground wires there. There must be
like 20 of them. On the battery ground cable be sure the wire lug is clean
and also the body that the lug is clamped against.

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[David Brodbeck]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
> should there be any play in the turbo shaft when it's good?
>   

It's a hydrodynamic bearing, so without oil pressure it's not going to
behave like it does in use.  I've heard some axial (in-and-out) play is
normal, but sideways play should be minimal.

Re: [MBZ] 124 heater core?

[Loren Faeth]

So you will deliver it when you are a goner and give me $4k (8 times 
$500)   H...  Ok, I will wait till you are a goner!


At 04:32 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:20:38PM -0500, Loren Faeth wrote:
> I'll take the car as is if you deliver and give me $500.

You can try prying it out of my cold dead hands for eight times that.

K

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Luther Gulseth]

should there be any play in the turbo shaft when it's good?

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:57:44 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There are no seals in the turbo like you thinking.  They dont dry up and
leak from sitting.  What happens is you suck something in and the fins
get damaged, and cause the shaft to then be imbalanced, which wears
things out.

Luther Gulseth wrote:



seals start to go bad after they haven't been used for a while.

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:



I have plenty of good used ones.  Not sure what recent service has to do
with anything though.

Luther Gulseth wrote:



hell no.   The problem is the turbo.  Do you have a used one that's been


in recent service?










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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Luther Gulseth]

So explain why the intake manifold was coated in FRESH oil when I removed the 
original turbo.  How does the oil get from the sloppy valve guides through a 
fairly dry air filter housing to the dry turbo intake?  Might I have just 
gotten back to back bad turbos?

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:33:19 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Time to check the valve guides -- likely they are VERY sloppy and it's
gulping oil

Peter







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Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:42:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In  looking through the papers that came with my 1985 300D I found the  
original window invoice. It lists optional equipment, one of which is item  
551, a Anti-Theft Alarm System. The cost was $360. Still don't have it  
fixed, but it is a factory item.




Alan,
 
Have you ever looked at your electric vacuum pump.  I think the ones  that 
come with the factory security system have some extra relays built into  them 
and a LOT more wires coming out of them.  Most have 3 or 5 wires but  one I saw 
had about 15.
 
Just curious and wondering if the spare vacuum pump I have is rare.
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 145 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

[Marshall Booth]

OK Don wrote:

Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be
a low oil level issue?
So there could be at least two causes ---


Oil has NOTHING to do with it! It's all a matter of air getting into the 
fuel system and allowing the fuel to flow back toward the tank.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that dave wrote:

> On 8/29/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > John M McIntosh wrote:
> > > People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of
> > > them smacking e-classes, or the video of it hitting a concrete
> > > barrier at 70 mph
> >
> > I think what the "I want something bigger" folks are thinking
> > of is getting hit by a 7,000lb truck with greenhouse high bumpers.
> > They should stop and think that if they are driving something
> > lower than a Smart, like a W124 for instance, they won't be any
> > better off.
> > Mitch.
>
> A loaded semi is more along the lines of 34,000 - 100,000 lbs
> depending on the number of axles. I don't think it really maters
> what you are driving at that point.
> 
> -Dave Walton

An tractor with an empty trailer (over-the-road class 8) is doing good
to be less than 30,000 lbs. In the USA, the federal interstate limit
for a loaded truck is 80,000 regardless of the axle count - unless it
has paid extra money for an oversize/overweight permit. At that point
it is then a matter of axles and axle spacing.

But I agree, there's not much difference between even an empty truck
and a rock wall - except the rock wall usually moving slower.

-- Philip

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list)

[OK Don]

I have read about several that have been hacked to provide external charging -

On 8/29/06, Desert Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

None of the current breed of Hybrids have any external battery
charging capabilities.




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'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

[OK Don]

Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be
a low oil level issue?
So there could be at least two causes ---

On 8/29/06, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Harry Watkins wrote:
> With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on a 
slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know about other 
models.

A 124 with the same engine will have the same problem. Do not ask how I know
this.



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Re: [MBZ] diesel electric/gas electric

[OK Don]

Very cool. It didn't last long though -- hopefully the next iteration will.

On 8/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hardly a new concept:

http://www.autohistory.org/feature_6.html

Or just Google "Lohner-Porsche"



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Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[dave walton]

A loaded semi is more along the lines of 34,000 - 100,000 lbs
depending on the number of axles. I don't think it really maters what
you are driving at that point.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 8/29/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

John M McIntosh wrote:
> People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of them
> smacking e-classes, or the video of it hitting a concrete barrier at
> 70 mph

I think what the "I want something bigger" folks are thinking
of is getting hit by a 7,000lb truck with greenhouse high bumpers.
They should stop and think that if they are driving something
lower than a Smart, like a W124 for instance, they won't be any
better off.
Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

[RELNGSON]

<>

I have seen the video of a Smart vs a barrier and it's true that the 
structure did not fold up. That's important but what was not revealed were the 
G-forces involved. Since the car has no crush zones to speak of, the G-forces 
would 
be much higher than, let us say, my W203 which has all that structure in front 
of the firewall to progressively collapse before the car comes to a halt.

In the TUV offset barrier crash test G-force charts (seen in Auto motor und 
Sport) , there is a significant difference in peak and rate of rise G-forces in 
various makes.

Even considering it's product's prices, Smart has continued to hemorrhage 
money right from the get-go. Too expensive for value received.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[J.B. Hebert]

At 04:54 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:


On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:27:30AM -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote:
> I am preparing to R&R the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only
> tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing
> tool.  Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools
> version?  It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with
> thrust bearings on the drive nuts.  This is the type of tool that
> will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend
> the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once
> the project has begun.

JB,

I purchased the Klann to do the job on my 201, 201/124 have identical
rear suspension with the exception of the differential mount on the 124
being rubber and the 201 having four bolts and no bushings.




Thanks for the info.  I'd love the Klann version of the tool, but 
according to the Samstag Sales website, it's $556.46.  That's a tad 
steep, even for a tool lover like myself.  I'll probably do the 
links.  For the amount of money I'll be putting into it, it would be 
silly to skimp on the links.  I'll try to take pictures. :)


J.B. 



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Re: [MBZ] mirror glass removal

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, the glass just pops right out.  Pry it out from the outer edge.  2 
second job.


Jerry Herrman wrote:

The glass is broken on the driver side mirror on my 82 240D (123 body 
style). I have been told that I can replace the glass mirror without 
removing the mirror housing.  Is this true? Has anyone actually done this 
who can tell me how to remove the broken glass mirror and replace it with 
one removed from another mirror housing ?


Thanks in advance

Jerry
82 240D 




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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There are no seals in the turbo like you thinking.  They dont dry up and 
leak from sitting.  What happens is you suck something in and the fins 
get damaged, and cause the shaft to then be imbalanced, which wears 
things out.


Luther Gulseth wrote:



seals start to go bad after they haven't been used for a while.

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:


I have plenty of good used ones.  Not sure what recent service has to do 
with anything though.


Luther Gulseth wrote:


hell no.   The problem is the turbo.  Do you have a used one that's been 


in recent service?






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Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[Mitch Haley]

John M McIntosh wrote:
> People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of them
> smacking e-classes, or the video of it hitting a concrete barrier at
> 70 mph 

I think what the "I want something bigger" folks are thinking
of is getting hit by a 7,000lb truck with greenhouse high bumpers.
They should stop and think that if they are driving something
lower than a Smart, like a W124 for instance, they won't be any
better off. 
Mitch.