Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?

[OK Don]

Did you select L from a stop? If you were rolling, selecting L will
get 2nd. Try flooring it - punching the kick down switch from a stop.
You should hear/feel it shifting into 2nd. in 15-25 MPH range (I
forget exactly where it's supposed to shift into 2nd.).

On 10/17/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, I'm pretty sure it's starting in 1st as the engine is at about the
same speeds as when I manually select L like up the hill tonight...
It certainly seems like I'm missing a gear...

Levi


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exhausted all the alternatives."
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'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?

[Levi Smith]

Well, I'm pretty sure it's starting in 1st as the engine is at about the
same speeds as when I manually select L like up the hill tonight...
It certainly seems like I'm missing a gear...

Levi

On 10/17/06, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 06:05:58PM -0400, Levi Smith wrote:
> OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4
speed.
> It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago.  Then the
> other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention
today.  Sure
> enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears.  If I had to
guess,
> I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top
gear.  So
> what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's
dropping
> from 2nd into 4th.
>
> Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed?  Or have I somehow lost a
gear?  If
> I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen?

Your car starts in second gear unless you punch it really hard from a
start
or have manually selected 'L'. It is a four speed.

If it's a manual, we really need to work on our clutch skills if it's
shifting
hard :)

K

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[MBZ] I have heat now, WAS: Re: Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat

[Donald Snook]

Andrew and Lee wrote: 

 

andrew strasfogel wrote:

> No heat may also mean a broken thermostat.

> 

>

It could also mean that the last time he drained and filled the radiator
he got an air bubble  in the heater core and it needs to be burped.

 

That is the issue in this case. I had heat this morning.  I did not the
other day.   I don't think thermostats are intermittent. They work or
they don't.  Also, I doubt I have an air bubble because I have not
flushed and filled this car since I got it - almost a year now.  

 

I guess if I don't have heat tomorrow, I will look for an exorcist. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 132K 

Re: [MBZ] Election Result.......

[OK Don]

Congratulations!!!
Maybe I'll need to join again -

On 10/17/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Loren,

Just an FYI ...  That I did make the cut and am a DAL Elect..
Induction is at Full Board Meeting, 11/11, here in Phoenix.



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Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Chuck Landenberger]

Two operative words.. Brings to mind the old saw:   "There is  
nothing more dangerous than ignorance in action".  May not  
apply to world affairs, tho


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Oct 17, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Levi Smith wrote:


some intern

Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Levi Smith]

Hmm, I would have thought so since Car and Driver had a long term Subaru
test car a few months ago that some intern took out and somehow had filled
up with diesel.  It wouldn't even leave the pumps.  (:

Levi

On 10/17/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ah thanks for pointing that out.

I believe that every diesel nozzle used to be too large to fit in unleaded
cars though, at least at the service station I worked at.

Brian


On 10/17/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You are wrong, the "big truck" diesel nozzle is too large to fit inside
> a gas filler but a car disel nozzle will fit just right.
>
>
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
>
> Original Message
> From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 10/17/06 02:14 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Actually, I don't think that a diesel nozzle will fit into the unleaded
> car's filler inlet - the nozzle is too big, just as the unleaded nozzle
> necks down a mm or 2 in diameter, and the car's little flapper-door hole
> is proportionately smaller too, so that the leaded nozzle wouldn't fit.
>
> This is the type of measures that they took to prevent people from
> putting
> in the wrong fuel, and the lack of this is what i'm asking about with
> E85.
> If using it in the wrong vehicle could cause such problems, you'd think
> they'd take measures to counter human error. Just curious here, if I'm
> allowed to be.
>
> Maybe the fuel industry is in cahoots with mechanics and tow truck
> companies.
>
> As for the actual reason that leaded "shouldn't" go into an unleaded
> vehicle, that's another issue (apparently a hot one for some).
>
> Brian
>
> David wrote:
>
> There's nothing really stopping you from putting gasoline in your diesel
> car, or diesel in your gasoline car, except common sense.
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Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 06:05:58PM -0400, Levi Smith wrote:
> OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed.
> It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago.  Then the
> other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today.  Sure
> enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears.  If I had to guess,
> I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear.  So
> what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping
> from 2nd into 4th.
> 
> Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed?  Or have I somehow lost a gear?  If
> I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen?

Your car starts in second gear unless you punch it really hard from a start
or have manually selected 'L'. It is a four speed.

If it's a manual, we really need to work on our clutch skills if it's shifting
hard :)

K

[MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?

[Levi Smith]

OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed.
It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago.  Then the
other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today.  Sure
enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears.  If I had to guess,
I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear.  So
what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping
from 2nd into 4th.

Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed?  Or have I somehow lost a gear?  If
I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen?

Thanks!
Levi

[MBZ] '93 TD

[Frederick W Moir]

Ad. reads:- 1993 Mercedes 300TD STN WGN Turbo, diesel 200k mi. Gd int 
& motor. Some lower body rust.Nds trans work, have an estimate for 
$900 for rebuild. Car is drive able, New batt, frt susp, exh. $1550

Boston 617-522-2667.
No Affilliation etc.
Might in be a 1983?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

[MBZ] Election Result.......

[Chuck Landenberger]

Loren,

Just an FYI ...  That I did make the cut and am a DAL Elect..   
Induction is at Full Board Meeting, 11/11, here in Phoenix.


Upon induction, each board member is given an injection of  
Barrettonium...  Oh I forgot, that well has gone dry...   
Praise be


If I need an opinion from the "hinterland", I will ask yours as a  
member of a "kitchen cabinet".  Need to keep the ear to the  
ground..


Thanks for your support.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[andrew strasfogel]

OTOH, I had no problem partially filling my 300TD turbodiesel wagon with
regular low-test...

On 10/17/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ah thanks for pointing that out.

I believe that every diesel nozzle used to be too large to fit in unleaded
cars though, at least at the service station I worked at.

Brian


On 10/17/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You are wrong, the "big truck" diesel nozzle is too large to fit inside
> a gas filler but a car disel nozzle will fit just right.
>
>
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
>
> Original Message
> From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 10/17/06 02:14 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Actually, I don't think that a diesel nozzle will fit into the unleaded
> car's filler inlet - the nozzle is too big, just as the unleaded nozzle
> necks down a mm or 2 in diameter, and the car's little flapper-door hole
> is proportionately smaller too, so that the leaded nozzle wouldn't fit.
>
> This is the type of measures that they took to prevent people from
> putting
> in the wrong fuel, and the lack of this is what i'm asking about with
> E85.
> If using it in the wrong vehicle could cause such problems, you'd think
> they'd take measures to counter human error. Just curious here, if I'm
> allowed to be.
>
> Maybe the fuel industry is in cahoots with mechanics and tow truck
> companies.
>
> As for the actual reason that leaded "shouldn't" go into an unleaded
> vehicle, that's another issue (apparently a hot one for some).
>
> Brian
>
> David wrote:
>
> There's nothing really stopping you from putting gasoline in your diesel
> car, or diesel in your gasoline car, except common sense.
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Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Zoltan Finks]

Ah thanks for pointing that out.

I believe that every diesel nozzle used to be too large to fit in unleaded
cars though, at least at the service station I worked at.

Brian


On 10/17/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You are wrong, the "big truck" diesel nozzle is too large to fit inside
a gas filler but a car disel nozzle will fit just right.


Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com

Original Message
From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 10/17/06 02:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Actually, I don't think that a diesel nozzle will fit into the unleaded
car's filler inlet - the nozzle is too big, just as the unleaded nozzle
necks down a mm or 2 in diameter, and the car's little flapper-door hole
is proportionately smaller too, so that the leaded nozzle wouldn't fit.

This is the type of measures that they took to prevent people from
putting
in the wrong fuel, and the lack of this is what i'm asking about with
E85.
If using it in the wrong vehicle could cause such problems, you'd think
they'd take measures to counter human error. Just curious here, if I'm
allowed to be.

Maybe the fuel industry is in cahoots with mechanics and tow truck
companies.

As for the actual reason that leaded "shouldn't" go into an unleaded
vehicle, that's another issue (apparently a hot one for some).

Brian

David wrote:

There's nothing really stopping you from putting gasoline in your diesel
car, or diesel in your gasoline car, except common sense.
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Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Tom Hargrave]

You are wrong, the "big truck" diesel nozzle is too large to fit inside
a gas filler but a car disel nozzle will fit just right.


Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com

Original Message
From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 10/17/06 02:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Actually, I don't think that a diesel nozzle will fit into the unleaded
car's filler inlet - the nozzle is too big, just as the unleaded nozzle
necks down a mm or 2 in diameter, and the car's little flapper-door hole
is proportionately smaller too, so that the leaded nozzle wouldn't fit.

This is the type of measures that they took to prevent people from
putting
in the wrong fuel, and the lack of this is what i'm asking about with
E85.
If using it in the wrong vehicle could cause such problems, you'd think
they'd take measures to counter human error. Just curious here, if I'm
allowed to be.

Maybe the fuel industry is in cahoots with mechanics and tow truck
companies.

As for the actual reason that leaded "shouldn't" go into an unleaded
vehicle, that's another issue (apparently a hot one for some).

Brian

David wrote:

There's nothing really stopping you from putting gasoline in your diesel
car, or diesel in your gasoline car, except common sense.
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Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Zoltan Finks]

Actually, I don't think that a diesel nozzle will fit into the unleaded
car's filler inlet - the nozzle is too big, just as the unleaded nozzle
necks down a mm or 2 in diameter, and the car's little flapper-door hole
is proportionately smaller too, so that the leaded nozzle wouldn't fit.

This is the type of measures that they took to prevent people from putting
in the wrong fuel, and the lack of this is what i'm asking about with E85.
If using it in the wrong vehicle could cause such problems, you'd think
they'd take measures to counter human error. Just curious here, if I'm
allowed to be.

Maybe the fuel industry is in cahoots with mechanics and tow truck
companies.

As for the actual reason that leaded "shouldn't" go into an unleaded
vehicle, that's another issue (apparently a hot one for some).

Brian

David wrote:

There's nothing really stopping you from putting gasoline in your diesel
car, or diesel in your gasoline car, except common sense.

[MBZ] OT D5 dozer batteries

[Harry Watkins]

Anyone know of a good source/price for a set of these dozer batteries?

Thanks

Harry

Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[David Brodbeck]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I'm given to understand that here in MA anyway we're all burning E05 anyway 
> since they've replaced MTBE (finally) with ethanol.

That's a good point.  If you check your owner's manual, it may even say
something about it.  I remember one of my gasoline cars had a note in
the manual that up to 10% ethanol or 5% methanol was acceptable.  It was
in the same section that explained what octane rating to use.

Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[David Brodbeck]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> In fact, you would think that they would make it impossible to get the
> nozzle into the incorrect vehicle, as Regular (leaded) gas nozzles would not
> fit into Unleaded filler tubes.
>   

I think they did that because, for a time, leaded was cheaper...and
putting in the wrong one would appear to work fine in the short term,
while causing the car to pollute much worse in the long term.

There's nothing really stopping you from putting gasoline in your diesel
car, or diesel in your gasoline car, except common sense.  I don't think
E85 is any different.  Generally there's a big 'E85' sticker and the
pump handle is usually colored yellow.

Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat

[Lee Einer]

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> No heat may also mean a broken thermostat.
> 
>
It could also mean that the last time he drained and filled the radiator
he got an air bubble  in the heater core and it needs to be burped.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat

[andrew strasfogel]

No heat may also mean a broken thermostat.

On 10/17/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Well everyone seems to agree that I should check the monovalve.
> Something happened this morning that makes me wonder what the heck is
> going on.   This morning, I had heat.  I had it set on the regular
> non/ac vent mode.  About half way to work, I noticed I was warm and
> that
> warm air was coming out the defrost.  I did not have the defrost on.
> After a little while, I was too warm, so I turned the temperature down
> and it got colder and switched from defrost to vent.

Changes to the venting have _nothing_ to do with the monovalve,
only the control unit (embedded in the pushbutton array).  How are
the fuses feeding it?  When deprived of power or vacuum, the system
reverts to defrost-pattern heating.  The monovalve is merely what
controls if the system will heat or not, under command of the ACC
brain.

But you still _should_ check your monovalve.  It's easy, and is
a wear item that is often broken.  (Torn rubber diaphragm.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC failure

[Peter Frederick]

The PBCU on that model doesn't suffer from bad solder joints, I don't believe, 
it's all electronic (no high-current relays on board).

I checked the PCB on my mom's TE while I was doing the evaporator -- all 
standard IC type connections, none of which looked bad.  

I do now have a non-running AC compressor I need to diagnose, any hints of how 
to determine if it's the PBCU or the KLIMA relay?

Peter
-Original Message-
>From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2006 1:31 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC failure
>
>> The heat and AC both began to fail intermittently about a year
>> ago. Sometimes they would work and sometimes not.
>
>Many of these intermittent failures could be bad solder joints
>inside the pushbutton unit.  However, could your symptoms be
>explained away by a coolant flow valve (known as the monovalve)
>becoming incontinent?  If 'AC fail' is because it starts blowing
>heat, and 'heat fail' is because it doesn't, both can be blamed
>on this one valve losing the ability to be properly controlled.
>In that case it's an easy and relatively inexpensive DIY repair,
>assuming that this _is_ a late 126 car we're talking about.
>
>Bad solder joints inside the PB array is less of a DIY repair,
>largely because in these there are so many contacts inside.
>(I've worked on two of them [or was it three?] for other people.
>Ugh.)  Replacements are so expensive, however, that if you are
>a _good_ solderer it may be worth a shot.  If you have to go
>out and buy an iron first, don't even think about it!
>
>I have a day job again, so I'm out of that biz.
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat

[Jim Cathey]

Well everyone seems to agree that I should check the monovalve.
Something happened this morning that makes me wonder what the heck is
going on.   This morning, I had heat.  I had it set on the regular
non/ac vent mode.  About half way to work, I noticed I was warm and 
that

warm air was coming out the defrost.  I did not have the defrost on.
After a little while, I was too warm, so I turned the temperature down
and it got colder and switched from defrost to vent.


Changes to the venting have _nothing_ to do with the monovalve,
only the control unit (embedded in the pushbutton array).  How are
the fuses feeding it?  When deprived of power or vacuum, the system
reverts to defrost-pattern heating.  The monovalve is merely what
controls if the system will heat or not, under command of the ACC
brain.

But you still _should_ check your monovalve.  It's easy, and is
a wear item that is often broken.  (Torn rubber diaphragm.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Jim Cathey]

In fact, you would think that they would make it impossible to get the
nozzle into the incorrect vehicle, as Regular (leaded) gas nozzles 
would not

fit into Unleaded filler tubes.


Ha!  Leaded into unleaded was deemed harmful to the environment, so
it was made difficult to do.  Harm to your car?  FU, Jack.  They don't
care if you pour sewage sludge or water into your gas tank.  Or diesel,
or E85...

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC failure

[Jim Cathey]

CONGRATULATIONS!!! What are you doing?


Low-level OS work at a networking company.  (I've done it before.)


Are you entirely out of the Middle Age Mercedes Electronics repair?


Pretty much.  Just my own fleet to keep up!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Toronto 300D for sale

[Frank Pembleton]

A friend of Sexton's?
Does it still have a cigarette lighter?

 
_
Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Toronto 300D for sale

Gentlemen,

I'm leaving the country and am looking to rid myself of an albatross...I 
have my Mississippi purchased 1983 300D that I need to shift. Nice 
burgundy colour with tan interior, working AC, sunroof and cruise! Also 
has Euro lights.

One small problem I sold it to a friend of Sexton's who quickly 
proceeded to somehow put a rod through the block! (Don't ask me how)

He abandoned the car and left me with the debris..4 perfect Bundt 
rims...tires are shot

Any takers? Any ideas on getting rod of this?

Anyone want the Euro lights?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Curt Raymond]

I've stayed out of this discussion because I don't really know much about it. 
All I really can say is I've heard people say both ways, some have used E85 
with no issues whatsoever and some have troubles and claim all sorts of 
stuff... Just like biodiesel as a matter of fact...
I'm given to understand that here in MA anyway we're all burning E05 anyway 
since they've replaced MTBE (finally) with ethanol. I've noticed that since the 
switch to ethanol I've not needed any drygas in my pickup which used to require 
a pint every fall because of water in the gas...

So anyhow, if I had E85 available I'd give it a shot, maybe half a tank or 1/4 
tank at first so reducing the overall mixture to E50 or less.

-Curt


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Well everyone seems to agree that I should check the monovalve.
Something happened this morning that makes me wonder what the heck is
going on.   This morning, I had heat.  I had it set on the regular
non/ac vent mode.  About half way to work, I noticed I was warm and that
warm air was coming out the defrost.  I did not have the defrost on.
After a little while, I was too warm, so I turned the temperature down
and it got colder and switched from defrost to vent.  =20

=20

Is this all related to the monovalve?=20

=20

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 132K=20

Re: [MBZ] OT E85 Use

[Zoltan Finks]

Guess I won't be trying this maneuver then.

This leads me to ask though: if E85 is so harmful to vehicles not equipped
to run it, you would think that the E85 pumps would be plastered with big
stickers with bold print in several languages warning against improper use.
(maybe they are, I haven't looked at one)

In fact, you would think that they would make it impossible to get the
nozzle into the incorrect vehicle, as Regular (leaded) gas nozzles would not
fit into Unleaded filler tubes.

Everything available to the mass public has to be idiot-proof. And if the
claims of cessation of engine function that I've heard here are true, then
it doesn't compute that it would be physically possible for the public to
put E85 into non-approved vehicles.

Brian

On 10/16/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


David Brodbeck wrote:
>  I think it's doubtful a non-FFV car will have enough fuel trim range to
> get back to a stoichiometric mixture.

I think after E85 fillup, the computer will start enrichening the mix
until it hits its limit, at which point it will likely set a "O2 sensor
stuck lean" code and kick into open loop mode, at which point the engine
will stop running. I'm guessing about 1/2 mile from the gas station.

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Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC failure

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:31:38 -0700 Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a day job again, so I'm out of that biz.


CONGRATULATIONS!!!

What are you doing?

Are you entirely out of the Middle Age Mercedes Electronics repair?



Craig

Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC failure

[Jim Cathey]

The heat and AC both began to fail intermittently about a year
ago. Sometimes they would work and sometimes not.


Many of these intermittent failures could be bad solder joints
inside the pushbutton unit.  However, could your symptoms be
explained away by a coolant flow valve (known as the monovalve)
becoming incontinent?  If 'AC fail' is because it starts blowing
heat, and 'heat fail' is because it doesn't, both can be blamed
on this one valve losing the ability to be properly controlled.
In that case it's an easy and relatively inexpensive DIY repair,
assuming that this _is_ a late 126 car we're talking about.

Bad solder joints inside the PB array is less of a DIY repair,
largely because in these there are so many contacts inside.
(I've worked on two of them [or was it three?] for other people.
Ugh.)  Replacements are so expensive, however, that if you are
a _good_ solderer it may be worth a shot.  If you have to go
out and buy an iron first, don't even think about it!

I have a day job again, so I'm out of that biz.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fuel pump relay

[Barry Stark]

Mitch, Dave, Trampas -
I think that most M/B fuel pump relays also have a shutoff circuit that
limits the RPMs the engine can spin. If you exceed the set point it shuts
off the power to the fuel pump till the RPMs come back in range. Because of
that anti-overrev feature you may find many different P/Ns.

Barry
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Trampas wrote:
> >> I am not sure about Porsche, but on the Mercedes it has a
> circuit to detect
> >> ignition pluses and turns off fuel pump if engine is not running.
> >
> > So do the ones in my 1970s Saab 99s. They fit in a standard
> five spade relay
> > socket. Want me to check Bosch part numbers?
>
> I was gonna say, that sounds a lot like a VW fuel pump relay.
>
>
>

Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC Failure - BTW

[Peter Frederick]

uncontrolled heat is probably the monovalve.

Peter
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That last posting regarding heat and AC failure - the car is a 1990 
300SE

thanks,
les

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel pump relay

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Trampas wrote:
>> I am not sure about Porsche, but on the Mercedes it has a circuit to detect
>> ignition pluses and turns off fuel pump if engine is not running.
> 
> So do the ones in my 1970s Saab 99s. They fit in a standard five spade relay 
> socket. Want me to check Bosch part numbers? 

I was gonna say, that sounds a lot like a VW fuel pump relay.

Re: [MBZ] relays

[RELNGSON]

< ignition pluses and turns off fuel pump if engine is not running.

<>

Porsche part #993 615 227 00. Six spade connectors to two relays in one 
housing, one controlling the second.

RLE

[MBZ] Heat & AC Failure - BTW

[rmcmail]

That last posting regarding heat and AC failure - the car is a 1990 300SE
thanks,
les

Re: [MBZ] Heat & AC failure

[Michael Hall]

1) Yes
2) There
3) Alot
4) No.

On 10/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The heat and AC both began to fail intermittently about a year ago.
Sometimes they would work and sometimes not. A local auto technician thinks
it's some sort of control valve that he thinks (but isn't sure) is located
either under the dash or under the hood. The dealership service advisor
isn't sure which valve controls both systems.
1. Do you think it's probably this control valve they are talking about?
2. If so, where is it located?
3. What should I expect to pay for parts and labor?
4. Is it something I could do myself? I've done a lot of mechanical work
on the car myself - just no electronics.
Thanks very much for any help.
les

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[MBZ] Heat & AC failure

[rmcmail]

The heat and AC both began to fail intermittently about a year ago. Sometimes 
they would work and sometimes not. A local auto technician thinks it's some 
sort of control valve that he thinks (but isn't sure) is located either under 
the dash or under the hood. The dealership service advisor isn't sure which 
valve controls both systems.
1. Do you think it's probably this control valve they are talking about?
2. If so, where is it located?
3. What should I expect to pay for parts and labor?
4. Is it something I could do myself? I've done a lot of mechanical work on the 
car myself - just no electronics.
Thanks very much for any help.
les

Re: [MBZ] Another Transmission Problem

[Michael Hall]

Sounds like you had a 3 year/30k warranty.

On 10/16/06, Bill Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a problem with my 85 300SD transmission that I would like to
explore.
The
transmission and torque converter were replaced in Oct 2003. It has logged
30k miles.
I bought it from Rusty. It is filled with Mobil1Synthetic fluid .

It has been performing flawlessly until recently.

In the past few weeks, I noticed the forward shifts, all of them, where
harsher than
in the past. I attributed this to vacuum and made a note to go over the
vac
system soon.
However, yesterday I parked the car and made a quick dash into a store. I
returned to the car,
fired it up, put it in drive, but the transmission did not engage.  Not
forward or reverse.
Revving up the engine makes no difference.Fluid level fine, nice and pink.

Other than the harsher shifts, there were no other symptoms, sounds,
on-the-road problems, or fluid leaks.
It simply stopped working.

Does this sound like a valve body seal problem? Maybe a bad torque
converter? Modulator?

Regards,

Bill Phelps
Annapolis, MD

85 300SD Beeker
85 300SD Parts





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Re: [MBZ] FW: (no subject)

[LT Don]

Yep, that works for me, where there are four (maybe five) gas stations in
the entire county!  :-)


On 10/16/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This might be something that you can use.







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Re: [MBZ] Fuel pump relay

[Hendrik Riessen]

Merc ones use a 7 or 8 pin set up.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel pump relay



Trampas wrote:


I am not sure about Porsche, but on the Mercedes it has a circuit to 
detect

ignition pluses and turns off fuel pump if engine is not running.


So do the ones in my 1970s Saab 99s. They fit in a standard five spade 
relay

socket. Want me to check Bosch part numbers?
Mitch.

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[MBZ] Toronto 300D for sale

[Jeff Zedic]

Gentlemen,

I'm leaving the country and am looking to rid myself of an albatross...I 
have my Mississippi purchased 1983 300D that I need to shift. Nice 
burgundy colour with tan interior, working AC, sunroof and cruise! Also 
has Euro lights.


One small problem I sold it to a friend of Sexton's who quickly 
proceeded to somehow put a rod through the block! (Don't ask me how)


He abandoned the car and left me with the debris..4 perfect Bundt 
rims...tires are shot


Any takers? Any ideas on getting rod of this?

Anyone want the Euro lights?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto

Re: [MBZ] mid October CL

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hey Chuck..

Need parts?  Get the whole thing... and up in your neck of the  
woods.


Not asking price, of course

Chuck
Phoenix AZ


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/219359828.html  --  79 SD $1200

Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat

[Tom Hargrave]

Mono valve.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] B! It's Cold and I have no heat

I have been out of state and out of town a lot and have not done a good
job contributing to the list.  Of course, my expertise is small compared
to nearly all of the folks on this list, so I hope you'll forgive me for
not being able to contribute much.  

 

I do have a problem for which I need some expertise.  The temperatures
are starting to drop here in Kansas. We have had a couple of cold
mornings in the 30's.  Well, the other day I was driving across town and
it was in the 30's.  I turned my heat on in my 126 300SEL and it never
got warm. I drove 20-30 minutes. It was no longer blowing out COLD air,
but it was certainly not warm.  I kept my eye on the temperature gauge,
and it was in normal operating range.  It was above 80 less than the
next mark (100?).   I thought maybe I might have a problem with the max
heat, so I backed it off a little and still got no heat.  Any thoughts?


 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 132K 

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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D Front Torsion Bar - repair or replace? Replaced

[MICHAEL ESH]

I checked with Rusty before I ordered the used one, he quoted $260.00 for a 
new one.


Mike Esh


What could you have done, Rusty? (for an '83 240 front t6orsion bar)

Bob Rentfro


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Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat

[Lee Einer]

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Check the monovalve and heater core pipes for heat -- if the monovalve 
> is stuck shut, you won't get any head at all.
> 

That's definitely enough to make me check my monovalve...


Lee

[MBZ] Cheap w110

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