Re: [MBZ] 1979 230 D Electrical Starting Problem
Check the engine ground strap, down under the firewall attaches above/side of the transmission. Mine went loose at one time, sorta acted like that, with some occasional fireworks at cranking. (I'm presuming the 240 is like the 300 in that regard) --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car is a 1979 240D Symptons: A few days ago, went to start, got a click click sound, panel lights went on for a second then went off when ingnition was put to full right position. I then put to full left, off for a second and tried again and got the normal responce and car started. Yesterday, same as above happened after car started fine and I had shut it down for fuel. I was again able to start the car based on the above, car had same sysmptoms. Today went to start her and panel lights went for a second, a click noise and all went out when it was in the ignition all right position. Battery is at 13.08 volts across battery terminals, no signs the alternator is foul. The radio works when ignition is in the #1 radio position and when ignition switch is in the start position I am getting a reading on my fuel gage, just no lights on panel and not even a click from the (soleniond on starter???) car. Just need some exact paths to take to trouble shoot. Looking at the one line electrical drawing looks like there is a transmission in park switch. I do not see a relay in the starter circuit to go bad. But if it is a bad starter or coil would this cause the panel lights to not work? Any help would appreciate it as this is my only driver. Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF for 91 W124 300D 2.5
Larry, To echo what John and Werner said. I use Mobil 1 ATF in my 240D and my 300D 2.5t. They both shift well in cold. On the 240D I had a before and after comparison. On the 300D 2.5t, it's just smooth and no hesitation when staring out on a cold RI morning. I don't know about the Dexron III equivalent-I only found one Mobil 1 ATF-Marshall or someone else can comment on the tech specs. HTH Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- LarryT - I've been using Mobil1 Synthetic ATF in my '90 300D 2.5 for about 80k miles now, and it still shifts smoothly, with no leaks. Changing it every 30k, including the torque converter, new filter and gasket, of course every change. Werner '90 D 229k '83 SD 225k - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] ATF for 91 W124 300D 2.5 I plan to use Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF but need to confirm that's the proper fluid - I believe I need a Dexron III equivilent? TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W110 questions
Going to look at a 200D fintail this week. Any particular areas to pay special attention to?? Car has some rust but I am not sure just how much. Is this a model that once the rust starts it is pretty much terminal in the sense that you can't really get rid of it? Also wondering what to expect performance wise?? Can I expect it to be on par with a 240D or is that overly optimistic?? Thanks in advance Eric Crunched 85 300CD 107K No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: [MBZ] W110 questions
eric peterson wrote: Going to look at a 200D fintail this week. Any particular areas to pay special attention to?? Car has some rust but I am not sure just how much. Is this a model that once the rust starts it is pretty much terminal in the sense that you can't really get rid of it? Also wondering what to expect performance wise?? Can I expect it to be on par with a 240D or is that overly optimistic?? Rust along the front inner fenders can be VERY expensive to repair (I've done two of them). Rust around the jack sockets can be an expensive mess too. Good luck. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] W110 questions
haven't seen it yet but description was a spot or two of rust on the hood, one under the front turn signal and a spot on the door sill. so hopefully its not a lost cause. --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eric peterson wrote: Going to look at a 200D fintail this week. Any particular areas to pay special attention to?? Car has some rust but I am not sure just how much. Is this a model that once the rust starts it is pretty much terminal in the sense that you can't really get rid of it? Also wondering what to expect performance wise?? Can I expect it to be on par with a 240D or is that overly optimistic?? Rust along the front inner fenders can be VERY expensive to repair (I've done two of them). Rust around the jack sockets can be an expensive mess too. Good luck. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: [MBZ] Re : Reserve Fuel Can
I am intersted Howard Fulford wrote: On 16 Feb, Eric wrote : Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Eric I bought one of the 'pukka' MB ones some time back for my old 560SEL - the MB parts guy told me there where only 2 left in stock in Germany ! MB part numbers : Safety fuel can : B 67 58 0035 Fitting kit : B 67 58 0037 It fitted inside the plastic 'bowl' insert that fits inside the spare wheel - the 'fitting kit ' was a longer bolt, and there were instuctions to show you how drill a hole in the centre 'post' plastic bowl so the bolt could pass through I transferred it to my 190E - it's a great piece of kit which I can recommend ( the can that is ... ) I can take pictures if anyone is interested Howard Fulford Bath England 190E '89 2.0 litre, 154732 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W110 questions
!! The 200D is a 110.110. They are great fun. The rust question depends on your tolerance. If you want a perfect car or a show car, the rust will be quite expensive. If you want a car to drive, rust and all, the 110 can look pretty bad and still be roadworthy. I drove a 65 190Dc for several winters that was very rusty.It was great and dependable transportation. Even in its rusty state, it wiped out a ford product that pulled out in front of it, and still drove away. It lost a chrome strip under the doors and the corner of the bumper punched through the RF tire. I put on the spare and pulled out the bumper and drove on. Rust in the rockers is bad. Plan on carrying a scissors jack, and not using the stock jack it the jack points are rusty. Also watch for rust around the front shock towers. My rustbucket 190Dc had one shock tower about to bust loose. Some sheet metal from an old appliance and a bunch of sheet metal screws repaired it, but was an ugly repair. As Herr Doktor Booth said, inner fenders and rockers. If the rockers are not too bad, but there are holes rusted behind the front tire or in front of the rear tire, those can be patched pretty easily, and that will add years to the life of the rockers. You might also consider cleaning up the inside of the rockers and spraying in POR15. If the rockers rust too bad, the body sags and the doors stick, or become inoperable. If anyone tries to fix rockers, they can sag the body and give you back a mess, unless it is a really good body man. Have fun. Send pics is you buy it Performance? Dunno about autos. 4 speed is no racer, but decent. Top speed is about 70 They are not SDLs on the interstate. Overall, probably similar to the 240D. The body is lighter than a 123, but power is less, 60 Hp. Put an OM 616 in it (not easy) and it is a relative screamer. AN OM 615 is a reasonable conversion, probably. Loren 66 200D since 1972 66 200D 2.4 since 1991 et al At 06:32 PM 2/18/2007, you wrote: Going to look at a 200D fintail this week. Any particular areas to pay special attention to?? Car has some rust but I am not sure just how much. Is this a model that once the rust starts it is pretty much terminal in the sense that you can't really get rid of it? Also wondering what to expect performance wise?? Can I expect it to be on par with a 240D or is that overly optimistic?? Thanks in advance Eric Crunched 85 300CD 107K No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 1979 230 D Electrical Starting Problem
Very likely problem. If that ground strap is loose, the current usually returns via the shift or kickdown linkage, and causes problems there, too. Peter
[MBZ] Head gasket fun
Finally got to changing the head gasket on the 87 300D today, in hopes that a new gasket will cure the oil collecting in the coolant tank problem and that I won't discover a cracked head (yes, its a 14 head, probably the original with 262,000 miles now). Between tracking down my engine hoist (never store your stuff at someone else's barn.) and a torpedo heater (9 F last night), we didn't get started anywhere near as early as I'd have liked, and I really don't want to do this job anyway. No major problems until we finally got to removing the head bolts, and found four that weren't really tight (between #4 and #5 cylinders -- #4 was low on compression with a terrible knock that turned out to be badly installed pressure valve holder seals when I got the car some years back. Then, the last bolt on the left side broke off at the start of the threads. So the car is sitting at my buddy's barn in bits, head still on, and I'm going shopping tomorrow for head bolts, a new belt, some jounce bumpers for the front struts, and probably some things I've not found yet. Never rains but it pours, I guess. Any suggestions on getting the black goo out of the cooling system? Upper radiator hose and heater hoses seem to be full of it, along with the expansion tank.. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun
Want to do another one after you finish yours? Mine's been leaking the last 150,000 miles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Head gasket fun Finally got to changing the head gasket on the 87 300D today, in hopes that a new gasket will cure the oil collecting in the coolant tank problem and that I won't discover a cracked head (yes, its a 14 head, probably the original with 262,000 miles now). Between tracking down my engine hoist (never store your stuff at someone else's barn.) and a torpedo heater (9 F last night), we didn't get started anywhere near as early as I'd have liked, and I really don't want to do this job anyway. No major problems until we finally got to removing the head bolts, and found four that weren't really tight (between #4 and #5 cylinders -- #4 was low on compression with a terrible knock that turned out to be badly installed pressure valve holder seals when I got the car some years back. Then, the last bolt on the left side broke off at the start of the threads. So the car is sitting at my buddy's barn in bits, head still on, and I'm going shopping tomorrow for head bolts, a new belt, some jounce bumpers for the front struts, and probably some things I've not found yet. Never rains but it pours, I guess. Any suggestions on getting the black goo out of the cooling system? Upper radiator hose and heater hoses seem to be full of it, along with the expansion tank.. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun
Whoo, I think this one will be enough for me for a while! My hands are gonna ache for days as it is, and I'm less than half done! Peter
Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun
Don't fret too much Peter. I pulled the head from mine with a chain winch suspended from a bit less than 8' ceiling in a too small garage. Came out all right with the turbo exhaust manifold attached even though I didn't have the winch very well positioned. Kinda resist the temptation to put the head back on with those bits detached. I did that just to save myself the aggravation of positioning that big chunk over the block, but I'm here to state that while all those bits can be reassembled with the head installed that it's not exactly an exercise you'll want to remember. I did apply a thin smear of Hylomar HPF to the new gasket and so far no leaks that I've been able to find but then it's only got ~150mi on it as yet. Oh yeah, and absolutely no residual cooling system pressure (fingers well crossed) After it's got a few more miles on it I'll hook up the forced open t'stat and the flushing connection to the top hose and give it a Cascade enema. But that's just for oil; dunno about other forms of black goo. -joe
Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun
I understand - that's why I've not done mine yet. My head gasket started leaking 3.5 years ago, I put stuff in to keep it sealed decided that I'd fix it when it gets worse. 150,000 miles later and the symptoms are covered up as long as I keep stuff in the radiator. Maybe it will get bad enough one day for me to pull the head.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Head gasket fun Whoo, I think this one will be enough for me for a while! My hands are gonna ache for days as it is, and I'm less than half done! Peter
[MBZ] POS SDL
got an idea what POS means, am i correct???; looks like the exact same, cheap paint color that Peach auto painting co. put on my 79 240D; Zodiac blue; would look beautiful if they put it on thicker than an Onion skin!!!; supposed to be sanded; yes they ALSO?!?!?sanded the alum. trim around rear glass some other trim; primed, must be ULTRA THIN; 3 coats of paint (NOT!) With SEPARATE clear coat; can almost see thru to old orig. blue paint in some areas?!?!;I guess you get what you pay for $250 Steve
[MBZ] 2000 C230
Hello Everyone, I'm asking on behalf of my friend who is considering becoming an MB owner. He is looking at buying a 2000 C230, very nicely equipped with a several fairly rare (in the W202) factory options. The car is coming from WI Simonson (an MB dealership) in Santa Monica, Ca. The car is not starmarked, but they have done quite a bit to it in their service center. My friend is concerned about buying this car since it has 92k miles and no warranty left. I wanted to know what everyone knows about the 4 vs 6 cyl in this car and general relaibility and longevity of this model. Thanks, Chase M.K.
Re: [MBZ] 1979 230 D Electrical Starting Problem
Today went to start her and panel lights went for a second, a click noise and all went out when it was in the ignition all right position. Absolutely classic symptoms of a bad battery connection. Check them all, both ends, grounds included. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL
Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering having the same thing done. What will I likely need to replace? Thanks! Peter Van Pelt Owasso, OK 82 300SD 127k miles -- Both I and my completely rust free [ok, I did have to have the rust cut out under the rear window], non-oil burning 300SD take offense at that. Air hoses at thirty paces BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] POS SDL Of course it's a POS - it's from FL! Can anyone figure out the mileage? On 2/16/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Merzedes-Be nz-300SDL- End of Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71
Re: [MBZ] 126 rear window leakage
Peter - the 126's seem to have more than their share of water leakage around the back window, especially on the left side. I'm told that it is usually from a failed rubber gasket that leads to rust through of the metal, all pretty well hidden from outside view. The repair involves removing the trim and window, repairing the sheet metal, and then replacing and resealing everything. Removing the existing window involves the risk of breakage, so add the cost of a new window - some may need to be replaced due to separation (fogging) in the safety ply layer between the glass. And aftermarket windows have a different defroster layout in the glass, too. Just putting some sealer at the rubber/glass edge won't help, as the leak is usually between the rubber and the metal body sheet metal, hidden under the trim. Cheapest solution - a garage or car cover! Werner - Original Message - From: Peter Van Pelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering having the same thing done. What will I likely need to replace? Thanks! Peter Van Pelt Owasso, OK 82 300SD 127k miles
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL
Hi Peter - I share your pain. I was having the rear window replaced due to a crack, and constant water problems in the trunk. When they removed the rear window they could not install a new one as the rust was just to extensive. I took it to a body shop I know [$37.50 / hour] and had the entire rusty areas cut out and new pieces created to replace them. They cut @3/4 metal strips and formed the lower window flange and then bonded the pieces together to create as pretty accurate rendition of the origional. Most of the part that holds the bottom of the window in had to be replaced. That it took the wondow folks 4 hours to install the rear window suggests that looks can be deceiving, but the result was good. I had a few other items done at the same time, but the whole window part of the project was less than $500 [I think - I've slept since then]. That effectively removed the only rust on my car, so I think it was worth it. I was surprised the rust was so bad, and so completely removed. I've had a mostly dry trunk since then, though I think I still have a small leak around the trunk seal somewhere. Never been a problem, though. Good luck with it. I think the biggest factor is having a body shop you know you can trust. That I have a good, honest mechanic to take the car to [my nephew] and an honest and capable body shop make life here in Jacksonville much nicer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: Peter Van Pelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering having the same thing done. What will I likely need to replace? Thanks! Peter Van Pelt Owasso, OK 82 300SD 127k miles -- Both I and my completely rust free [ok, I did have to have the rust cut out under the rear window], non-oil burning 300SD take offense at that. Air hoses at thirty paces BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] POS SDL Of course it's a POS - it's from FL! Can anyone figure out the mileage? On 2/16/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Merzedes-Be nz-300SDL- End of Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 19 17:14:15 2007 Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HJC5f-gi-7o for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:14:15 + Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:13:32 -0500 Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id RVDY1W00b1raWR8000; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:13:32 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:14:15 - I'm glad I liveth where rust liveth not... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Hi Peter - I share your pain. I was having the rear window replaced due to a crack, and constant water problems in the trunk. When they removed the rear window they could not install a new one as the rust was just to extensive. I took it to a body shop I know [$37.50 / hour] and had the entire rusty areas cut out and new pieces created to replace them. They cut @3/4 metal strips and formed the lower window flange and then bonded the pieces together to create as pretty accurate rendition of the origional. Most of the part that holds the bottom of the window in had to be replaced. That it took the wondow folks 4 hours to install the rear window suggests that looks can be deceiving, but the result was good. I had a few other items done at the same time, but the whole window part of the project was less than $500 [I think - I've slept since then]. That effectively removed the only rust on my car, so I think it was worth it. I was surprised the rust was so bad, and so completely removed. I've had a mostly dry trunk since then, though I think I still have a small leak around the trunk seal somewhere. Never been a problem, though. Good luck with it. I think the biggest factor is having a body shop you know you can trust. That I have a good, honest mechanic to take the car to [my nephew] and an honest and capable body shop make life here in Jacksonville much nicer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: Peter Van Pelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Sehr schone Hunde Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL
Bob - Do you mean it never rains and you never wash your car? That is the only source for rust down here - except for those who live several miles nearer the ocean than I do. BillR - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL I'm glad I liveth where rust liveth not... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Hi Peter - I share your pain. I was having the rear window replaced due to a crack, and constant water problems in the trunk. When they removed the rear window they could not install a new one as the rust was just to extensive. I took it to a body shop I know [$37.50 / hour] and had the entire rusty areas cut out and new pieces created to replace them. They cut @3/4 metal strips and formed the lower window flange and then bonded the pieces together to create as pretty accurate rendition of the origional. Most of the part that holds the bottom of the window in had to be replaced. That it took the wondow folks 4 hours to install the rear window suggests that looks can be deceiving, but the result was good. I had a few other items done at the same time, but the whole window part of the project was less than $500 [I think - I've slept since then]. That effectively removed the only rust on my car, so I think it was worth it. I was surprised the rust was so bad, and so completely removed. I've had a mostly dry trunk since then, though I think I still have a small leak around the trunk seal somewhere. Never been a problem, though. Good luck with it. I think the biggest factor is having a body shop you know you can trust. That I have a good, honest mechanic to take the car to [my nephew] and an honest and capable body shop make life here in Jacksonville much nicer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: Peter Van Pelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering having the same thing done. What will I likely need to replace? Thanks! Peter Van Pelt Owasso, OK 82 300SD 127k miles -- Both I and my completely rust free [ok, I did have to have the rust cut out under the rear window], non-oil burning 300SD take offense at that. Air hoses at thirty paces BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] POS SDL Of course it's a POS - it's from FL! Can anyone figure out the mileage? On 2/16/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Merzedes-Be nz-300SDL- End of Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Just shows that you can never have too many nozzle observations. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:10 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris
[MBZ] PHX CL W115
A '76 300D with minor issues... http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/280232970.html Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 19 17:50:48 2007 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.178]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HJCf1-00039g-RQ for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:50:48 + Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l1JHo6Mw000102 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (ip70-176-192-168.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.192.168]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l1JHnuq001 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:50:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:49:54 -0700 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AA=X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:50:48 - But, Bob, If the car cometh from yonder and hath rust, when thou washeth the car, the rust doth groweth! Even here where rust liveth not! I knoweth.. BTDT! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: I'm glad I liveth where rust liveth not... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL
Yes I was my cars and yes it does occasionally rain. I guess I've been lucky in the rust regard. All I have is on little spot the size of a dime behind the right rear wheel...and the spot has been dime-sized since I bought the car. Bob R. - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Bob - Do you mean it never rains and you never wash your car? That is the only source for rust down here - except for those who live several miles nearer the ocean than I do. BillR - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL I'm glad I liveth where rust liveth not... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Hi Peter - I share your pain. I was having the rear window replaced due to a crack, and constant water problems in the trunk. When they removed the rear window they could not install a new one as the rust was just to extensive. I took it to a body shop I know [$37.50 / hour] and had the entire rusty areas cut out and new pieces created to replace them. They cut @3/4 metal strips and formed the lower window flange and then bonded the pieces together to create as pretty accurate rendition of the origional. Most of the part that holds the bottom of the window in had to be replaced. That it took the wondow folks 4 hours to install the rear window suggests that looks can be deceiving, but the result was good. I had a few other items done at the same time, but the whole window part of the project was less than $500 [I think - I've slept since then]. That effectively removed the only rust on my car, so I think it was worth it. I was surprised the rust was so bad, and so completely removed. I've had a mostly dry trunk since then, though I think I still have a small leak around the trunk seal somewhere. Never been a problem, though. Good luck with it. I think the biggest factor is having a body shop you know you can trust. That I have a good, honest mechanic to take the car to [my nephew] and an honest and capable body shop make life here in Jacksonville much nicer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: Peter Van Pelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering having the same thing done. What will I likely need to replace? Thanks! Peter Van Pelt Owasso, OK 82 300SD 127k miles -- Both I and my completely rust free [ok, I did have to have the rust cut out under the rear window], non-oil burning 300SD take offense at that. Air hoses at thirty paces BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] POS SDL Of course it's a POS - it's from FL! Can anyone figure out the mileage? On 2/16/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Merzedes-Be nz-300SDL- End of Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL W115
What else could it be, other than a new engine? Not clear to me what he thinks it needs. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL W115 A '76 300D with minor issues... http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/280232970.html Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Bob, What did I miss? Babel Fish translates that as: Much preserve dogs Chuck On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Sehr schone Hunde
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL
I'll give a cheer for that. Mine did spend a year in SC after a long life in CA. BillR - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Yes I was my cars and yes it does occasionally rain. I guess I've been lucky in the rust regard. All I have is on little spot the size of a dime behind the right rear wheel...and the spot has been dime-sized since I bought the car. Bob R. - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Bob - Do you mean it never rains and you never wash your car? That is the only source for rust down here - except for those who live several miles nearer the ocean than I do. BillR - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL I'm glad I liveth where rust liveth not... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Hi Peter - I share your pain. I was having the rear window replaced due to a crack, and constant water problems in the trunk. When they removed the rear window they could not install a new one as the rust was just to extensive. I took it to a body shop I know [$37.50 / hour] and had the entire rusty areas cut out and new pieces created to replace them. They cut @3/4 metal strips and formed the lower window flange and then bonded the pieces together to create as pretty accurate rendition of the origional. Most of the part that holds the bottom of the window in had to be replaced. That it took the wondow folks 4 hours to install the rear window suggests that looks can be deceiving, but the result was good. I had a few other items done at the same time, but the whole window part of the project was less than $500 [I think - I've slept since then]. That effectively removed the only rust on my car, so I think it was worth it. I was surprised the rust was so bad, and so completely removed. I've had a mostly dry trunk since then, though I think I still have a small leak around the trunk seal somewhere. Never been a problem, though. Good luck with it. I think the biggest factor is having a body shop you know you can trust. That I have a good, honest mechanic to take the car to [my nephew] and an honest and capable body shop make life here in Jacksonville much nicer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: Peter Van Pelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 - POS SDL Today's Topics: 1. Re: POS SDL (BillR) BillR: How much of a pain was it to have the rust cut out from under your rear window on your '81 300SD? I have an '82 300SD that leaks in the trunk and I'm sure the water coming from under the rear window sill (looks like the rubber seal is badly oxidized and maybe the cause) and I can see some rust under the deck. Am considering having the same thing done. What will I likely need to replace? Thanks! Peter Van Pelt Owasso, OK 82 300SD 127k miles -- Both I and my completely rust free [ok, I did have to have the rust cut out under the rear window], non-oil burning 300SD take offense at that. Air hoses at thirty paces BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 284k miles - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] POS SDL Of course it's a POS - it's from FL! Can anyone figure out the mileage? On 2/16/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Merzedes-Be nz-300SDL- End of Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 71 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) Sehr schone Hunde Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
sehr schöne Hundevery beautiful dogs It looks like I was umlaut challenged in the first post. I am the worlds worst speller feller. Bob R - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) Bob, What did I miss? Babel Fish translates that as: Much preserve dogs Chuck On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Sehr schone Hunde ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. To get it to work on the previous post to Chuck, I had to do the translator thing and then cut and paste. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) Sehr schone Hunde Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Add the umlaut and bablefish returns Very beautiful dogs. It took me awhile to notice the sig line -- On 2/19/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
umlauted o = alt 148 (number pad) = ö On 2/19/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] PHX CL W115
If that's a 4 band Becker radio in the photo and it works, you could almost pay for the car with that part alone. On 2/19/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What else could it be, other than a new engine? Not clear to me what he thinks it needs. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL W115 A '76 300D with minor issues... http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/280232970.html Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Just type in alt 0-2-4-6 for ö; alt 0-2-5-2 for ü, etc. That will get you past most German words used in these lists! Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. To get it to work on the previous post to Chuck, I had to do the translator thing and then cut and paste. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Werner, That's amazing - how did you learn this? On 2/19/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just type in alt 0-2-4-6 for ö; alt 0-2-5-2 for ü, etc. That will get you past most German words used in these lists! Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. To get it to work on the previous post to Chuck, I had to do the translator thing and then cut and paste. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Yes, that also works, seems there's a series that uses 4 digits starting with 0, and another with 3 digits. But the 3 digit ones don't seem to work on this version of OE! Werner - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) umlauted o = alt 148 (number pad) = ö On 2/19/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] French GPs - Was 300SD GPs dont always go out
I suspect that DG meant German brands (Beru/Bosch), rather than the production source. I've had great luck with French-made Bosch plugs. In fact, I've never had issues with any OEM French production parts...except for the rear tail light lenses on Volvo 7-series wagons; those suck. On 2/16/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read that DieselGiant article on testing the glow system. Actually helped me a lot since I've little experience with electrical or working on diesels. (yes I know I deserve 30 lashes with a wet noodle) The thing I wonder about is the part that stated that we should make sure to only purchase German-made plugs (also referred to in said article as OEM). When I recently bought my Bosch GPs, I noticed that they were made in France according to what was written on the package. Is there a type of Bosch made in Germany and a type of Bosch that is made in France?
[MBZ] Umlauts and codes
Andrew - I just keep a list of the character codes for all the umlauts and a few other things like ß, £, º, and ¢ on a sticky next to the monitor. There's several sources for the codes, which are in the ASCII table, and in MS Word, etc. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) Werner, That's amazing - how did you learn this? On 2/19/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just type in alt 0-2-4-6 for ö; alt 0-2-5-2 for ü, etc. That will get you past most German words used in these lists! Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. To get it to work on the previous post to Chuck, I had to do the translator thing and then cut and paste. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
öa I see! now if I can remember it for more than twenty minutes... Bob R - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) umlauted o = alt 148 (number pad) = ö On 2/19/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
Anyone have a picture of one of these reserve tanks? I would think that there would be some safety concerns, especially is used in a gasser. Many will say that carrying a can of gas in the trunk is akin to carrying around an incendiary bomb. Diesel fuel isn't as explosive, so might be OK as long as there's no leakage to make everything in the trunk smell like a refinery. Werner - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can Here's one currently on eBay - 150092451551 - says it's for W108, W113, W115 W116 - currently at $125 with a Buy it Now of $135. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can the only time I have seen them were for certain older models and they were VERY expensive. Did you get one for newer cars? Eric Anderton wrote: Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Many Thanks, Eric Anderton 85 300DT 74 240D 74 240D (parts car)
Re: [MBZ] Umlauts and codes
DITTO! Chris Andrew - I just keep a list of the character codes for all the umlauts and a few other things like ß, £, º, and ¢ on a sticky next to the monitor. Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - I just keep a list of the character codes for all the umlauts and a few other things like ß, £, º, and ¢ on a sticky next to the monitor. There's several sources for the codes, which are in the ASCII table, and in MS Word, etc. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) Werner, That's amazing - how did you learn this? On 2/19/07, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Just type in alt 0-2-4-6 for ö; alt 0-2-5-2 for ü, etc. That will get you past most German words used in these lists! Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. To get it to work on the previous post to Chuck, I had to do the translator thing and then cut and paste. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Werner Fehlauer To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 19 19:52:56 2007 Received: from web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.69.28]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HJEZB-0003lz-Lw for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:52:55 + Received: (qmail 90565 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2007 19:52:07 - X-YMail-OSG: o9Y37sAVM1lCSjLMvN9KePA19k_.zFu4UB6WvCEOir4fSwdIvyR4IJXUnsQhvlyDdwgE3Xvi4lGwTG7KmXRGKYhoqZB210TIi95o2oS89YFd9y3UvzxcXT9sqbLf428GhSMVkhS.2XVs6d0- Received: from [24.123.111.98] by web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:52:06 PST Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:52:57 - Here are the three digit ones: hold ALT while typing: 142=Ä 132=ä 154=Ü 129=ü 153=Ö 148=ö 137=ë 225=ß OR drop the umlaut and put an e after the vowel or ss for ß...but I like umlauts. Tschö! Chris P.S. Danke Bob, Meine Hunde sind schönes (grammar breaking down here)...aber Sammy ist super-hübsch! Anke ist OK. Sie ist Wolf-lich. Ich wolle Sie ein photo senden...ein Augenblick, bitte. Apologies to those who know more German than my limitedly tutored self-study. 5 years of French in High School and 2 years of Chinese in College - GOSH I wish I had done German for all that time! Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've forgotten how to do the umlautsI know we discussed that once at length. To get it to work on the previous post to Chuck, I had to do the translator thing and then cut and paste. Bob R. - Original Message - From: Werner Fehlauer To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) OK, Bob - what happened to the umlaut in Schöne? Werner - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) Sehr schone Hunde Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend
Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
Hi Werner, There's a photo in the eBay advert - item # 4427103012543053 from my earlier post - it's an almost round/flat can which looks like ity would fit into the wheel well. Wouldn't want that in the trunk during an accident - at least the gas tanks of most vehicles are enclosed in chassis members, Later -- -- -- Original message -- From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have a picture of one of these reserve tanks? I would think that there would be some safety concerns, especially is used in a gasser. Many will say that carrying a can of gas in the trunk is akin to carrying around an incendiary bomb. Diesel fuel isn't as explosive, so might be OK as long as there's no leakage to make everything in the trunk smell like a refinery. Werner - Original Message - From: LarryT To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can Here's one currently on eBay - 150092451551 - says it's for W108, W113, W115 W116 - currently at $125 with a Buy it Now of $135. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can the only time I have seen them were for certain older models and they were VERY expensive. Did you get one for newer cars? Eric Anderton wrote: Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Many Thanks, Eric Anderton 85 300DT 74 240D 74 240D (parts car) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 19 20:18:17 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net ([204.127.192.85]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HJExl-0005Wq-Gy for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:18:17 + Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id 20070219201730m150033r0le; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:17:35 + Received: from [68.57.47.200] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:17:29 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry T) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:17:29 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ATT Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bDAydHVybmVyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Umlauts and codes X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:18:18 - Some might prefer this method - All the characters (more than you'll ever need) are located in Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Character Map Go to it and right click Character Map and use Send To to attach it to the desktop - there it's always handy to copy/paste whatever is needed - without another scrap of paper to be lost - my never-ending problem. ;-) You can also drag Character Map down to the Quick Launch area next to the Start button - write me if you need to know how to turn that area on. It's handy to keep program icons down there for quick access. -- Good Luck -- Larry 78 240D, 91 300D, 67 MGB, 74 911 -- Original message -- From:
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation
Glenn Brown wrote: The BP stations here have orange diesel pump coverings to distinguish them from their green covered gas nozzles. I wish the industry would unite on one color code. I've written to BP several times suggesting a pump nozzle color standard (as different BP stations are NOT uniform). They have NOT bothered to reply. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 70
Andrew said Looks pretty good considering all its ailments. I like the fact that the hatch stays open in winter. My 123 300TD hatch struts are degassed again. :( Just replaced mine a few weeks ago for the second time ever. This time I got a pair from Rusty, and I have to really strain to pull down the hatch. It almost pops open by itself. That ought to last a good 8 or 9 more years... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
Come on north and be further confused. Here in Manitoba (can't recall if it is the same in other provinces) the diesel handles are yellow. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:10 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler
Minus 9 C here this morning. Amazing how much difference 10 degrees makes. If this lasts, we will soon be complaining that it is cold again. I guess it is a good thing that we adapt to whatever comes. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler We have already done our holiday pilgrimage over New Year's. I've had my annual fix of subzero temperatures, so it will be when the weather is warm, and yes, I will vey much want to see the 300D if it has thawedout by then. I will let you know. On 2/16/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are on! Give me a heads up when you are coming up here and I'll meet you at Tim's for coffee. If it is summer, I may even bring the Benz. If you come in winter, you will have to settle for the truck. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler Randy, you are actually just the SECOND to come up with the correct answer, after JW Reames. I did not count Marshall because his correct response was embedded in a learned and exhaustive dissertation on How to Properly Start Your Mercedes Diesel, which I found extremely enlightening. I also yelled D'OH when I came to the part about cranking until it starts or the battery dies, without the use of the fuel pedal. John R. is more local than you by about 1550 miles (Baltimore vs. Winnipeg) and therefore more likely to claim his prize, but on my next trip to Winnipeg I will shout you a cup of Java at Tim Horton's, Fixx, or Second Cup. (Winnipeg is the ancestral home of my Canadian sig. oth. so we fly up there several times a year,) ALS On 2/15/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm behind too but I should have known the answer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler OK, I'm way behind on this. Umpteen people had already guessed the correct answer. However, I've impressed myself by actually guessing the correct answer. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler Pump the fuel primer?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:42 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler A little gas in the intake Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Sludge Issues/Warranty Stuff NOW Today's Puzzler OK, I have a puzzler. Let's see how good you all are. FIist correct reply wins a FREE Puccini coffee (must be collected in Washington, D.C.) 1985 300CD. For the past week we plugged in the block heater and the car started instantly and perfectly in gtemps. as low as 10 degrees F. Yesterday, the alley was iced up so we had to park on the street overnight, with no way to plug in the block heater. Temp. was 17 degrees this AM with a wind chill of maybe 5. We glowed and kept glowing 10 seconds after the light went out. Engine turned but would not fire. Tried twice more, using the gas pedal, but to no avail! I had her pop the hood and try a fourth time while I watched - still turned but no dice. Battery was strong, fortunately. I stared at the engine, thought deeply and then fiddled with something in the engine area. I then myself tried to start it again using the same preglow procedure. This time the engine fired instantly and ran flawlessly. Question: What exactly did I do under the hood? Hint: I have never done this before or heard of this tactic being used as a technique for getting a balky diesel to start in cold weather. This doesn't prove or mean anything but then again, it might. Good luck, and apologies in advance if this puzzler is wya too elementary and an insult to the collective Okiebenz intelligence. ALS On 2/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[MBZ] Compressor woes, post mortem.
Well, my A/C compressor had well and truly killed itself. Indy says it appears to have gotten a slug of liquid. He got the supplier to warrant it and covered a new dryer himself. He thinks the cold weather caused it...he put in an evaporator temperature sensor to shut down the compressor when there is not enough heat transfer to change the freon from liquid to gas. Also said I should run it on EC when it's cold out...We'll see... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K
Re: [MBZ] Compressor woes, post mortem.
Royce Engler wrote: Well, my A/C compressor had well and truly killed itself. Indy says it appears to have gotten a slug of liquid. He got the supplier to warrant it and covered a new dryer himself. He thinks the cold weather caused it...he put in an evaporator temperature sensor to shut down the compressor when there is not enough heat transfer to change the freon from liquid to gas. Also said I should run it on EC when it's cold out...We'll see... Actually it's important that the AC compressor be turned on and run every few weeks (for a few minutes) ALL winter. That prevents seal hardening and greatly increases compressor life. It's not necessary for the later systems (124/201, later 126) that use the Nippondenso compressors that function whenever the system is in defrost (and the temperature is in the correct range). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun)
In the US, diesel CANS must be yellow. So that makes the most sense. (Blue for Kerosene and red for gasoline). Chris, who never saw a yellow diesel nozzle handle. R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on north and be further confused. Here in Manitoba (can't recall if it is the same in other provinces) the diesel handles are yellow. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:10 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] nozzle observation (bad pun) A BP station near me just added a diesel pump. They switched all the handles to black except the diesel, which is green. At another BP station in town with diesel, all handles are green except diesel, which is black. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 19 23:49:45 2007 Received: from omta01-pub.suddenlink.net ([208.180.40.73] helo=omta01.suddenlink.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HJIGP-00032W-JN for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:49:45 + Received: from raec400 ([74.193.6.13]) by omta01.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:48:57 -0600 From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:48:54 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor woes, post mortem. X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:49:46 - Thanks, Marshall, I don't usually have to worry about running the AC during the winterhere in Houston we have plenty of warm winter days ;-) Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 290K -Original Message- From: Marshall Booth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Compressor woes, post mortem. Royce Engler wrote: Well, my A/C compressor had well and truly killed itself. Indy says it appears to have gotten a slug of liquid. He got the supplier to warrant it and covered a new dryer himself. He thinks the cold weather caused it...he put in an evaporator temperature sensor to shut down the compressor when there is not enough heat transfer to change the freon from liquid to gas. Also said I should run it on EC when it's cold out...We'll see... Actually it's important that the AC compressor be turned on and run every few weeks (for a few minutes) ALL winter. That prevents seal hardening and
