[MBZ] Re No tu rn signals and no 4-way flasher, 81 240D

[Van Cleve]

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   > From: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
   > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:43 PM
   > Subject:[MBZ] No tu rn signals and no 4-way flasher, 81 240D
   >
   >
   >> I examined all the fuses and replaced the ones listed for these
   >> items but
   >> it
   >> didn't help.
   >>
   >> Any ideas??
   >>
   >> Thanks
   >> Harry
   >>
   I might have missed it, somebody might have already mentioned the relay
   under the consol forward of the shifter. That went out on me during a road
   trip, a new one was $40 but it fixed the problem.

   Regards
   Steve
   "85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
   "79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
   "94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
   "64" VW Bug
   "65" D15, AC tractor

Re: [MBZ] FW: Re: M102 knocks on startup: Why?

[Hendrik Riessen]

Like I said earlier, it's hard to tell without listening to the sound but I 
would discount bottom end troubles because they are virtually bullet proof 
unless they have been starved of oil.
Unfortunatley in the US they never officially got the 102.980 (CIS and non 
hydraulic tappets) unless some early W201's where sold there. 84/85 was the 
change over from 102.980 to 102.962.
So finding a mechanic with experience in the early 102 motors is going to be 
hard.


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Sadly, that means probably a main or rod bearing if it's not the chain
tensioner

Do check the fan clutch and serpentine belt, though -- a bad belt can
cause a knock.  Sounds just like a rod sometimes, but usually doesn't
go away when the oil pressure comes up though.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] No turn signals and no 4-way flasher, 81 240D

[Harry Watkins]

Success, it started working at about push number 30.  I applied Deoxit into
all the cracks and I'm back in working order.

Thanks to all of you, once again the list pulled me out.  Thanks Kleb.

Harry


On 5/27/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Keep in mind that if there is anything up under that 4 way switch that
> won't
> allow it turn ALL the way off it won't let the turn signals work.  I
> don't
> know if it cuts power to them or what.

Yes.  Most of these cars have only one flasher, and it's
switched between the column switch selector or to all at
once by the hazard switch.  And there are plenty of systems
where the hazard switch _is_ the flasher.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Mitch Haley]

Levi Smith wrote:
>  So, my questions are, is that thing a shrader valve? 

Yes,  but I don't think a tire stem core will be a direct replacement.
You should be able to get new cores from an A/C repairman.

Re: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
> 
> Saw a Sears ad insert in today's paper, had some Craftsman bone wrenches
> for sale, that ad said "Made in the USA".  Surprised me.

I thought all the Craftsman hand tools were USA products, but I haven't
paid attention for ten years or so. 10-15 years ago, I could get very
economical, moderately high quality (a small step below Craftsman or S-K)
made in USA Stanley hand tools at Walmart. Example, 3/8" flex handle ratchet
was $12.96, should have bought two of them, because they were gone a year
after I bought mine.

[MBZ] KC Craigslist '91 2.5 long block

[Luther]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/317842884.html

-- 
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head
'83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD!
'82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD!
'85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine

Re: [MBZ] OT: Toyota Turbo Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

For those not aquainted with Imperial Gallons, they are 20% larger than 
US gallons (due to the fact that the Imperial Pint is 20 oz and not 16 
oz, like the US Pint).


I used to have fun with my Canadian friends who were convinced that 
gasoline was much cheaper on the US side of the river (Sault Ste. 
Marie, ONT) -- they consistantly assumed that a gallon was 4.2L 
(Imperial) rather than 3.72L (US).


Peter
On May 27, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Rory wrote:


Hey Guys,

Just had an interesting experience at work (US Customs).  A Gentleman
brought a 1989 Toyota 4-runner Turbo Diesel to our Port of Entry to 
import
into the US.  Upon inspection, this right-hand drive vehicle is found 
to
have been manufactured in Canada in compliance with both US and 
Kalifornia

EPA standards, and US DOT standards, per mfg. labeling on vehicle.

Upon further discussion, I found out that these vehicles were 
manufactured

for Canadian Post in the Northern Territories.  The vehicle was showing
112,000 km's and was equipped with a 2.4 Turbodiesel and 5 speed manual
trans.  Said to obtain approx 30mpg (Canadian Gallons).

I have some experience with Toyota normally aspirated and turbo'd 
2.4's and

found them to be great runners.

Wouldn't mind having something like that, although my 2XL frame and
attendant cushioning doesn't enjoy the Toyota PU's and 4-runners.

Regards,
--
Rory Morrison
Oroville, WA
1985 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List

[andrew strasfogel]

I think you mean the Maybach... which not all of us can afford

On 5/27/07, Walt Lasher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Funny they have the Maybeck but not much elseWhere are the files
for the W-140?
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Mike Canfield]

Craig,
 What's your point?  If you crash a motorcycle into a brick wall you will 
likely die...Duh.  Every time someone comes up with something that can 
save some energy the first response is..AND THE ANSWER IS "But it's 
small and you might get hurt if you crash it"!
 No, it's not your Benz.  It's not intended to be and was used simply as an 
example of what can be done.  THere are much more efficient Li-Ion battery 
packs that would far surpass the lead-acid G-whizz so it's all about the 
idea.  Not wether or not a little car is safe.


DO you ride a motorcycle?  Bettin' the G-Whizz has better crash 
scores...Oh wait, they don't even test bikes for that do they?


Mike
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From: "Craig McCluskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage


On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:19:58 -0400 "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


A small commuter car, the G-Wiz has been available in the UK for some 3
years now, and it is gainig popularity in London, mainly because it is
excempt the £8 daily congestion charge, and parking is free at many
locations in central London.

http://www.goingreen.co.uk/store/

It has a maximum range of 48 miles at urban city speeds, and has a
battery  pack of approximately 10kWh.




From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVA,


The UK Department for Transport found "serious safety concerns" after
crashing a G-Wiz at 35mph into a deformable barrier on April 24, 2007
[6], which is the normal test for cars.

Likewise, a test commissioned by Top Gear magazine that followed the
Euro NCAP crash test specifications found that the occupants would
suffer "serious or life-threatening" injuries in a 64km/h crash.[7].

The G-wiz is presently exempt from most crash test rules, because its
size allows it to be classed as a quadricycle instead of a car.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Jim Cathey]

since the AC was somewhat useful today.  So, my questions are, is that 
thing

a shrader valve?  Either way can it be easily be replaced or otherwise
likely fixed?


It's a Schrader valve, but not exactly the same as a tire valve core.
They often start to come unscrewed, I've tightened a few which has
stopped the loss of refrigerant.  The usual tire stem tool will do
the job, or perhaps even a pair of hemostats.  If the valve itself
is shot it's easily replaced, but not easy to do without losing all
the charge!  (There are specialized tools for doing this job.)

Possibly the nasty oil/R134a combination has eaten the valve's rubber
seal.  Nobody ever talks about replacing the valves with R134a-rated
ones.  O-rings, sure.  Hoses, yes indeed.  Valves?  Dead silence.

Also, should I be seeing a lot of oil, or is that a sign that there's 
too

much in there?


Oil is mixed with the refrigerant, so any leak should bring some
oil with it.  If you lose enough you should replace it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Zoltan Finks]

Exactly. Those who are physically capable should try to ride a bike for
short trips once in a while. And even those not physically capable should
consider if they could skip a trip a week or something.

Brian

Peter wrote:
The real solution is not to drive as much, and I've gotten into the
habit of staying home on weekends.


On 5/27/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There is no environmental gain from using chargeable hybrids -- you
just replace using gasoline or diesel for the much higher carbon output
coal fired power plant (with huge transmission loses, as they never
build the plants were the power is used, they stick us poor
midwesterners with them).

The real solution is not to drive as much, and I've gotten into the
habit of staying home on weekends.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping

[mykd1]

Luther, 

 Any style torque wrench will give you accurate results, its all a matter of 
preference. Most of the old school guys prefer the beam style, but most of the 
newer dial and click style are very accurate. As for brand, I was never fond of 
the Snap-On just because its way over priced. You can find just as good quality 
in a Proto, Craftsman or even a Mac. 



Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   


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From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sat, 26 May 2007 9:44 pm
Subject: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping



Which style?  Dial, micrometer click, or split-beam?  What brands?  Snap-On,
rmstrong, Precision Instruments, Craftsman, or others?
I'm going to be doing the head on my SDL and I'd like to have a high quality
/2" 150-200 Newton-Meter torque wrench.   Suggestions, experience, and 2nd
and knowledge welcome.  TIA all. 
-- 
uther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head
83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD!
82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild
82 300D  (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD!
85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine


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[MBZ] Another 190D Have Questions Before Buy

[Zoltan Finks]

We have run across another 190D (87) and are considering buying this one.
Unfortunately, it a 2.5 automatic, but I guess we are lowering our
standards. Have a few questions that could use yall's sage advice:

The guy claims to have installed a keyless entry (remote) system. I guess I
didn't know that these cars (1987) had electric locks. If not electric, how
could a keyless entry be used?

The car reportedly has almost 250k mi. on it. Am I stupid for looking into
this car with this many miles? I know that these great cars are legendary
for longevity, but I have learned the hard way that the longevity is only
there if decent maintenance has been also. What are some telltale signs I
can look for to help me decide?

He claims that the timing chain has been replaced. I don't know why someone
would replace one unless it had broken. What say you all? If it had broken,
does that mean that some engine components were likely damaged?

He claims that the flex disk has been replaced. Why would someone replace
this?

Thanks for the help,
Brian

Re: [MBZ] Another 190D Have Questions Before Buy

[Hendrik Riessen]

The 201's use a vaccum pump (under the rear seat) to operate the locks, easy 
job to wire in a remote thingy.
Timing chains and flex discs are wear items and should be replaced BEFORE 
they break and do  damage.

Given the mileage I'd be worried if those things have not been replaced.

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Subject: [MBZ] Another 190D Have Questions Before Buy



We have run across another 190D (87) and are considering buying this one.

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Levi Smith]

I thought you had to have different valves to be R134 compliant?  I.e. R12
and R134 have different "standard" fittings and if you don't change the
valve then you won't be able to use the R134 charge fittings?

Levi

On 5/28/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> since the AC was somewhat useful today.  So, my questions are, is that
> thing
> a shrader valve?  Either way can it be easily be replaced or otherwise
> likely fixed?

It's a Schrader valve, but not exactly the same as a tire valve core.
They often start to come unscrewed, I've tightened a few which has
stopped the loss of refrigerant.  The usual tire stem tool will do
the job, or perhaps even a pair of hemostats.  If the valve itself
is shot it's easily replaced, but not easy to do without losing all
the charge!  (There are specialized tools for doing this job.)

Possibly the nasty oil/R134a combination has eaten the valve's rubber
seal.  Nobody ever talks about replacing the valves with R134a-rated
ones.  O-rings, sure.  Hoses, yes indeed.  Valves?  Dead silence.

> Also, should I be seeing a lot of oil, or is that a sign that there's
> too
> much in there?

Oil is mixed with the refrigerant, so any leak should bring some
oil with it.  If you lose enough you should replace it.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[kok.hong]

HI all,

I replaced the radiator about 6 months ago (original radiator leaks after 13 
yrs) with an OME radiator (costly but maybe it will last longer).  Then I 
filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it.  No problem since then.

Couple of days ago, I decided to run it in the weather of '90sF and distance is 
only 10 miles, it went hot and then the light for "low coolant in radiator" 
shows up.  Immediately, I opened the hood and let it cool.  Also, I check the 
hoses (top and bottom which returns to the recovery tank) are hot.  Next day, I 
opened the cap and see the coolant level and is at max.

I started the engine and light is still on even though the ambient temp in the 
garage is low ''70F.  Coolant temp is zero at start up.   I drove it out in the 
temp of low '80sF for 7 miles and coolant temp is rising from 0 to 80C and 
light is still on.  About 5 mins later, coolant temp is 100C and on way back, I 
had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the engine 
temp at 90C.  Otherwise it is at 100C or more.

In both cases, AC is on.

Questions:
1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?
2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio?
3) drain the radiator and replace with water?
4) is the thermostat faulty?  But it was replace about a year ago.

Please help.

Thank you.
KS
'93 190E 2.3 (sorry gas not disel)
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Air bubble?

--R

kok.hong wrote:
> HI all,
>
> I replaced the radiator about 6 months ago (original radiator leaks after 13 
> yrs) with an OME radiator (costly but maybe it will last longer).  Then I 
> filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it.  No problem since then.
>
> Couple of days ago, I decided to run it in the weather of '90sF and distance 
> is only 10 miles, it went hot and then the light for "low coolant in 
> radiator" shows up.  Immediately, I opened the hood and let it cool.  Also, I 
> check the hoses (top and bottom which returns to the recovery tank) are hot.  
> Next day, I opened the cap and see the coolant level and is at max.
>
> I started the engine and light is still on even though the ambient temp in 
> the garage is low ''70F.  Coolant temp is zero at start up.   I drove it out 
> in the temp of low '80sF for 7 miles and coolant temp is rising from 0 to 80C 
> and light is still on.  About 5 mins later, coolant temp is 100C and on way 
> back, I had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the 
> engine temp at 90C.  Otherwise it is at 100C or more.
>
> In both cases, AC is on.
>
> Questions:
> 1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?
> 2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio?
> 3) drain the radiator and replace with water?
> 4) is the thermostat faulty?  But it was replace about a year ago.
>
> Please help.
>
> Thank you.
> KS
> '93 190E 2.3 (sorry gas not disel)
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[MBZ] M117 in W123

[tom savage]

I don't know if this has already been posted here or not, but it's 
always worth another look.


http://www.5w5.com/mercedes/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=4e369b5d5ff4e9ce5d625df71a1d2cbd&mforum=mercedes

There's a special place in heaven for this guy.

Tom

Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123

[Rich Thomas]

Let's take up a collection and buy the guy a couple of jackstands:

http://www.5w5.com/mercedes/viewtopic.php?t=2&sid=ea3eaff40ece51c743f3896da190c737&mforum=mercedes

Funny thing too, he doesn't look like a pimp, but that color be mackin' 
yo...


--R
  

[MBZ] M 102 knocks on startup: Why

[Robert Bigham]

The majority seems to think the timing chain is making the knock, and the 
problem is most 
likely in the tensioner.  I can go for that.  

One says it's a rod knocking.  Wash your mouth out with soap!  We ain"t 
allowing no loose 
rods around here!   Just kidding.  I have heard engines that had main/rod 
knocks on startup 
because they had excessive and growing bearing clearances.  Sounds different 
than what I 
hear now.  I dont think the noise is a rod, although It might be and I just 
don't recognize it..  
 
I look at the chain tensioner drawing in the MBZ book Engine 102 and see an oil 
supply 
passage, a (smaller) oil feed hole, a (smaller still) oil bleeder hole, and a 
spring.  The only 
seal is a sealing washer on the outside meant to keep the oil in the engine.  
The book says 
the chain is tensioned by the spring and "in dependence of the oil pressure."   
But the oil 
pressure part is just a matter of orifices.  More oil want to get in than wants 
to get out: result 
is oil pressure ahead of and inside  the tensioner.  I am unfamiliar with a 
check valve on the 
oil pickup.   

The knock I experience is on cold startup or startup several hours after coming 
off the road, 
having sustained 80 mph most of the time on the road.  No knock in operation 
ever.  

Unless the oil supply is somehow restricted or some fool enlarged the oil 
bleeder hole, the 
only thing I see that could be wrong is the spring, which could be worn or 
tired.  I wonder what 
they cost.  It should be easy to find out.  A chain tensioner assembly for a 5 
cylinder diesel 
costs about $350 from the Benzes! 

Cheers.

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Zoltan Finks wrote:
> We have run across another 190D (87) and are considering buying this one.
> Unfortunately, it a 2.5 automatic, but I guess we are lowering our
> standards. Have a few questions that could use yall's sage advice:
> 
> The guy claims to have installed a keyless entry (remote) system. I guess I
> didn't know that these cars (1987) had electric locks. If not electric, how
> could a keyless entry be used?

They are vacuum locks run by the electric pump in the truck.  When they 
install those keyless deals they simply install a remote switch that 
activates the pump.

> 
> The car reportedly has almost 250k mi. on it. Am I stupid for looking into
> this car with this many miles? I know that these great cars are legendary
> for longevity, but I have learned the hard way that the longevity is only
> there if decent maintenance has been also. What are some telltale signs I
> can look for to help me decide?

Well since these cars are now 20 years old, most of them are going to 
have well over 200k on them.  If you dont want one over that, be 
prepared to pay plenty and have a hard time finding one.  You can pretty 
much look at a car and tell if it has been maintained or not.  If you 
cant, then its best to stick to a Honda.

> 
> He claims that the timing chain has been replaced. I don't know why someone
> would replace one unless it had broken. What say you all? If it had broken,
> does that mean that some engine compone

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Different fittings.  Still has the Schrader valve though.

Levi Smith wrote:

I thought you had to have different valves to be R134 compliant?  I.e. R12
and R134 have different "standard" fittings and if you don't change the
valve then you won't be able to use the R134 charge fittings?

Levi



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Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If your light is coming on but the level is OK, the sensor is bad.  The 
coolant should be mixed 50/50 with water.  That would cause it to run 
warmer.  Also, if you have your AC on and your temp gets up a little but 
the aux fan does not kick on, that could be your problem too.  Temp 
switch for the fan may be bad.


kok.hong wrote:

HI all,

I replaced the radiator about 6 months ago (original radiator leaks after 13 
yrs) with an OME radiator (costly but maybe it will last longer).  Then I 
filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it.  No problem since then.

Couple of days ago, I decided to run it in the weather of '90sF and distance is only 10 
miles, it went hot and then the light for "low coolant in radiator" shows up.  
Immediately, I opened the hood and let it cool.  Also, I check the hoses (top and bottom 
which returns to the recovery tank) are hot.  Next day, I opened the cap and see the 
coolant level and is at max.

I started the engine and light is still on even though the ambient temp in the 
garage is low ''70F.  Coolant temp is zero at start up.   I drove it out in the 
temp of low '80sF for 7 miles and coolant temp is rising from 0 to 80C and 
light is still on.  About 5 mins later, coolant temp is 100C and on way back, I 
had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the engine 
temp at 90C.  Otherwise it is at 100C or more.

In both cases, AC is on.

Questions:
1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?
2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio?
3) drain the radiator and replace with water?
4) is the thermostat faulty?  But it was replace about a year ago.

Please help.

Thank you.
KS
'93 190E 2.3 (sorry gas not disel)
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Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hm

tom savage wrote:
I don't know if this has already been posted here or not, but it's 
always worth another look.


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Re: [MBZ] M117 in W123

[Mike Canfield]

Looks like a load of fun ay Kaleb?

Mike
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hm

tom savage wrote:

I don't know if this has already been posted here or not, but it's
always worth another look.

http://www.5w5.com/mercedes/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=4e369b5d5ff4e9ce5d625df71a1d2cbd&mforum=mercedes

There's a special place in heaven for this guy.

Tom

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[MBZ] 190E Coolant

[Frederick Moir]

Thermostat? Air Bubble?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
190D
190DT
300TD
85 190E 2.3 Gone the the great junkyard in the sky.

   
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Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:16:34 -0400 "kok.hong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Then I filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it. 

You should mix your coolant 1:1 with water (dilute it to 50%
concentration).


> Questions:
> 1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?

Did you dilute the coolant?


> 2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio?

Yes, the small plastic gauges Prestone makes to measure the freezing and
boiling temperatures of coolant actually work by measuring the specific
gravity.


> 3) drain the radiator and replace with water?

No.


> 4) is the thermostat faulty?  But it was replace about a year ago.
>
> Also, I check the hoses (top and bottom which returns to the
> recovery tank) are hot.
>   
> I had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the
> engine temp at 90C.  Otherwise it is at 100C or more.

Both hoses being hot seem to indicate that the thermostat is opening and
that the coolant is flowing through the radiator. Turning on the defroster
and having the temperature drop shows that there is insufficient cooling,
but that the water pump is indeed pumping water.

Rich Thomas mentioned the possibility of an air bubble. You could
eliminate that by stopping the car on a steep hill (front end up the hill)
and removing the radiator cap, squeezing the hoses to eliminate any air
bubbles, and filling the radiator to the brim.

It seems to me, though, that the symptoms point to insufficient air flow
through the radiator. Does it have a mechanically driven fan or electric
fan? If it's mechanical, is there a thermostatic clutch on the fan? If
it's electric, does it operate?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] M 102 knocks on startup: Why

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 28 May 2007 09:46:23 -0500 "Robert Bigham"
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Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[R A Bennell]

Remember however, that with any Mercedes it will be imperative that one use 
only the best synthetic water to mix
with the MB specific coolant.

Randy

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On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:16:34 -0400 "kok.hong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Then I filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it.

You should mix your coolant 1:1 with water (dilute it to 50%
concentration).


> Questions:
> 1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?

Did you dilute the coolant?


> 2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio?

Yes, the small plastic gauges Prestone makes to measure the freezing and
boiling temperatures of coolant actually work by measuring the specific
gravity.


> 3) drain the radiator and replace with water?

No.


> 4) is the thermostat faulty?  But it was replace about a year ago.
>
> Also, I check the hoses (top and bottom which returns to the
> recovery tank) are hot.
>   
> I had to cool the engine by turning on the window defroster to keep the
> engine temp at 90C.  Otherwise it is at 100C or more.

Both hoses being hot seem to indicate that the thermostat is opening and
that the coolant is flowing through the radiator. Turning on the defroster
and having the temperature drop shows that there is insufficient cooling,
but that the water pump is indeed pumping water.

Rich Thomas mentioned the possibility of an air bubble. You could
eliminate that by stopping the car on a steep hill (front end up the hill)
and removing the radiator cap, squeezing the hoses to eliminate any air
bubbles, and filling the radiator to the brim.

It seems to me, though, that the symptoms point to insufficient air flow
through the radiator. Does it have a mechanically driven fan or electric
fan? If it's mechanical, is there a thermostatic clutch on the fan? If
it's electric, does it operate?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] torque wrench shopping

[LarryT]

Do you ever have your torque wrench's re-calibrated? Where?

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I've got a KD  clicker that I've been using for a few years now that I
really like. I think it was around $130 new on sale( rumor was at the
time that they came out of the same factory as snap ons torque wrenches ).
I have a craftsman electronic torque meter that attaches to a 1/2"
socket, very accurate, but awkward  to use, basically only good when
working an engine on the stand., and I have an HF cheapie 1/4 " drive
job to keep all those little 6mm bolts about right.

I don't know about split beams, but on any clicker , keep in mind when
using in temperature extremes, the readings won't be accurate. If it's
real cold out, they will click late ( too tight, if it get's cold
enough, tight enough to get you in trouble ) and if it's real hot out,
they will click too early ( too loose). If I have to work outside in
temperature extremes, I always leave the torque wrench inside for a
while to get it to room temp, then work in short spurts to keep things
even( this is after finding out that hard way what happens if you don't ).

-Robert


Luther wrote:
Which style?  Dial, micrometer click, or split-beam?  What brands? 
Snap-On,

Armstrong, Precision Instruments, Craftsman, or others?

I'm going to be doing the head on my SDL and I'd like to have a high 
quality
1/2" 150-200 Newton-Meter torque wrench.   Suggestions, experience, and 
2nd

hand knowledge welcome.  TIA all.





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[MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering

[Zoltan Finks]

Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have another
190D Carfax need!

WDBDB26D4GF220054

Thanks a ton.

Brian

Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

my subsription has expired.

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have another
190D Carfax need!

WDBDB26D4GF220054

Thanks a ton.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Another 190D Have Questions Before Buy

[Zoltan Finks]

Okay, the gentleman claims he replaced the timing chain as a preventative
measure, and that it had stretched some. I suppose this stretching happens
all the time, and that the valvetrain is not necessarily worn unduly from
it?

He also claims mileage of 30 - 32 city and 38 - 39 hwy. with "steady
driving". I wonder if this means at speeds around 60? Otherwise, those
numbers are higher than I have ever heard with an automatic 2.5.

Brian

[MBZ] W123 CDs

[Wonko the Sane]

Rumor has it that they can be seen at ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123





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Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering

[BillR]

How much is a subscription?  I don't need any reports at the moment but I
have used yours in the past.  I'd kick in a few bucks to have yours renewed.
BillR
Jacksonville FL  
1981 300SD 289k miles, with all door actuators now working.  
First one took parts of 4 days [mostly to get the actuator retrofit to my
car] the second took about 30 minutes, including having to take the panel
off three times to get it on right. 

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my subsription has expired.

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have
another
> 190D Carfax need!
> 
> WDBDB26D4GF220054
> 
> Thanks a ton.
> 
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering

[BillR]

Decided it was silly to say it and not do it.  I chipped in $5 to your
PayPal account.  Others can help if they want.  If you decide to get out of
the CarFax report stuff we'll talk.  Happy Memorial Day.
BillR

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How much is a subscription?  I don't need any reports at the moment but I
have used yours in the past.  I'd kick in a few bucks to have yours renewed.
BillR
Jacksonville FL  
1981 300SD 289k miles, with all door actuators now working.  
First one took parts of 4 days [mostly to get the actuator retrofit to my
car] the second took about 30 minutes, including having to take the panel
off three times to get it on right. 

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my subsription has expired.

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have
another
> 190D Carfax need!
> 
> WDBDB26D4GF220054
> 
> Thanks a ton.
> 
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Peter Frederick]

I sincerely wish that I could safely ride a bike around here, but with 
high speed SUV traffic on narrow, shoulder-free roads, it's asking for 
severe injury or death.


Likewise it would not bother me at all to walk a couple miles to the 
train or bus stop to take one of them to work, beats the hell out of 
driving all the time.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Another 190D Have Questions Before Buy

[Peter Frederick]

If the chain as been replaced, likely the owner has been doing the 
correct maintenance.  Chain stretch is something a good Benz mechanic 
will check every 30,000 miles or so (on the big maintenance interval) 
-- if it exceeds 4 degrees at the crank, roll in a new one.  A broken 
chain will result in a valve job, at least, likely rods too.


Keyless entry uses a solenoid to unlock the doors, should work just 
fine if a decent kit was used.


Unless the head warped somewhere along the line (coolant usage, oil in 
the coolant, etc) the engine will likely look nearly brand new -- mine 
did when I pulled the head off (603.96 -- head crack problem not found 
on the 602), almost no wear on the cylinder bores and no oil 
consumption.  Lots of leakage due to the warped head, but no burning.  
May need a valve job, but unless it shows signs of hard starts cold not 
cured by new glow plugs and/or oil consumption, likely it will go 
another 250,000.  May need new injector nozzles, they usually last 
around 250,000 to 300,000 miles.


Bad flex disks cause excessive vibration, and can cause fairly severe 
body damage when they fail.  Wear item, usually last a couple hundred 
thousand miles, but it varies.  Worth checking the rear one, too, 
although they last longer.  So far as I know, the ones on my 72 280 SE 
are original, but it only has 250,000 miles or so.


Things to look for:  Bad radiator (runs hot, although the 190D may have 
an electric fan clutch, in which case it will run hotter in traffic 
than a visco clutch, but not higher than 95C).  Heavy vibration due to 
improper combustion not due to injectors (do a compression check and 
leakdown if you suspect something wrong).  Banging on shutoff is bad 
engine mounts, not a bad job, and not terribly expensive.


Bottom line, do the usual diesel check -- easy starts cold (once the 
glow plug light is out, all you should need to do is bump the key in 
moderate weather, it should start on the first compression stroke).  No 
blue smoke, no unusual noises (some clatter is normal cold).  No tappet 
noise (hydraulic tappets on this one), smooth idle for a diesel.  
Transmission should engage reverse quickly and smoothly, with no bangs 
or thumps (check differential mounts, though, they go bad).  No huge 
clouds of black smoke at full throttle, should get noticable turbo 
boost without blue smoke and no turbo noise if so equipped.


Squirrely cornering and crosswind sensitivity is bad rear links, unless 
fixed expect to replace them and the rear subframe mounts along with 
diff mounts.  Check for rust in the ususal MB places.  ACC repairs are 
a pain on that car, as bad as the W124 chassis.


Excessive front tire wear is bad tie rod ends (usually on the outside), 
replace drag link and damper at the same time.  Ball joints are a 
problem, cause creaks and groans on dips and when turning the wheels.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Peter Frederick]

Coolant should be less than 75% glycol.

Did you purge all the air out when you filled it?  The procedure I use 
that works best is to squeeze the upper radiator hose flat, then crimp 
the overflow line at the top of the radiator to the coolant tank shut 
and release the upper radiator hose.  This will pull coolant into the 
block from the bottom.  Release the crimp, squeeze the upper radiator 
hose flat, and repeat until no more coolant drop occurs.


Get a coolant tester at the local McParts that has the four little 
plastic balls in it.  Suck up some coolant -- like all four will float 
instantly.  If they do, drain about a gallon of collant out of the rad 
and add about that much water to the coolant tank.  Run til the upper 
radiator hose  heat up (or drive it around the block) and test again -- 
you want three balls to float and the fourth one to swim, if I remember 
correctly.


I would also replace the radiator cap and check the neck of the tank 
for cracks -- overheating under stress (and intermittant coolant lever 
lamp) can be due to lack of pressurization.  Caps are cheap.  If the 
cap is bad, the coolant is boiling and getting forced out into the 
overflow tank under the fender, but can be sucked back over if the cap 
holds vac fairly well (different seal).


And the thermostat can indeed be bad, they are sometimes bad out of the 
box.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Jim Cathey]

1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?


Yes.  Antifreeze is nowhere near as good at removing heat
as is water.  Pure water has, however, its own problems!
The 50/50 mix is optimum, deviation either way buys various
problems.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

[Jim Cathey]

I thought you had to have different valves to be R134 compliant?


The outside threads are different.  The inside threads (for the
Schrader valve) are the same.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Mike Canfield]

While we are on the subject of antifreeze what's the differnece between the 
MBZ antifreeze and the green stuff?


Mike
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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E



1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?


Yes.  Antifreeze is nowhere near as good at removing heat
as is water.  Pure water has, however, its own problems!
The 50/50 mix is optimum, deviation either way buys various
problems.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Another 190D Have Questions Before Buy

[Jim Cathey]

The guy claims to have installed a keyless entry (remote) system. I 
guess I
didn't know that these cars (1987) had electric locks. If not 
electric, how

could a keyless entry be used?


It's easy.  Everything since the 123 has had electric pumps on the
vacuum/pressure locks.  Installation of keyless on them is nearly
trivial.  See:  http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2keyless.html
(For a 201 it'd all be under the back seat, but otherwise the same.)

The car reportedly has almost 250k mi. on it. Am I stupid for looking 
into

this car with this many miles?


No.  Just check it out.  Chain and flex disk replacement are _good_ 
signs.


Condition, condition, condition.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Jim Cathey]

While we are on the subject of antifreeze what's the differnece 
between the

MBZ antifreeze and the green stuff?


How long your radiator lasts.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[LarryT]

re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
couldn;t get the link to work -- 


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Re: [MBZ] M 102 knocks on startup: Why

[Peter Frederick]

The M102 has a ratcheting tensioner.  Likely it has been installed 
without the detent spring, so it's falling back when the oil drains 
out.


I can email you the PDF file from the service manual if you send me 
your email address.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[Peter Frederick]

The green stuff doesn't have sufficient anti-corrosive power to prevent 
corrosion of the head and radiator (and heater core, too).  Long term 
use will result in clogged or leaking radiators (or both at once) and 
severe enough corrosion of the head to blow the head gasket (happened 
on my sister's Volvo -- naturally, on the highway at speed, cost them a 
new rad and new head).


Even so, you must change it every two years for adequate protection.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Zoltan Finks]

Absolutely understandable. I always question whether I'm getting paranoid,
but it seems drivers are getting worse by the month. Red light running and
cel phone talking in particular.  Often when I think someone is
intentionally driving agressively toward me, I find a little girl yapping on
a cel happily. So that's surely the one huge downside to bike riding.

Brian


On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I sincerely wish that I could safely ride a bike around here, but with
high speed SUV traffic on narrow, shoulder-free roads, it's asking for
severe injury or death.

Likewise it would not bother me at all to walk a couple miles to the
train or bus stop to take one of them to work, beats the hell out of
driving all the time.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage

[Mike Canfield]

Agreed.  I ride my bike alot.  Prefer to keep to seasonal back roads as 
there are less idiots intent on running you down.  In town or on the highway 
I ride like every car I encounter doesn't even know I am 
there..Maybe they don't.


Mike
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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage



Absolutely understandable. I always question whether I'm getting paranoid,
but it seems drivers are getting worse by the month. Red light running and
cel phone talking in particular.  Often when I think someone is
intentionally driving agressively toward me, I find a little girl yapping 
on

a cel happily. So that's surely the one huge downside to bike riding.

Brian


On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I sincerely wish that I could safely ride a bike around here, but with
high speed SUV traffic on narrow, shoulder-free roads, it's asking for
severe injury or death.

Likewise it would not bother me at all to walk a couple miles to the
train or bus stop to take one of them to work, beats the hell out of
driving all the time.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[OK Don]

It works for me - Firefox - just clicked on it. It opens a directory -
choose CD 1 or 2.

On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
couldn;t get the link to work --



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[MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant

[OK Don]

$150 of wleding and de-warping later, I'm about to install the
repaired oil pan on the 300SDL. (I'll post photos later). I had to
clean off a LOT of black RTV sealant - no fun. The machine shop
thought they got the pan "pretty flat - the bolts should pull it up
the rest of the way".

So, I think I need to use a sealant - the question is, black RTV or Hylomar???

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

why thanks.  I usually keep a subscription mainly for running reports fo 
r the list.   Will renew it again ASAP


BillR wrote:

Decided it was silly to say it and not do it.  I chipped in $5 to your
PayPal account.  Others can help if they want.  If you decide to get out of
the CarFax report stuff we'll talk.  Happy Memorial Day.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax needed on car we are considering

How much is a subscription?  I don't need any reports at the moment but I
have used yours in the past.  I'd kick in a few bucks to have yours renewed.
BillR
Jacksonville FL  
1981 300SD 289k miles, with all door actuators now working.  
First one took parts of 4 days [mostly to get the actuator retrofit to my

car] the second took about 30 minutes, including having to take the panel
off three times to get it on right. 


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my subsription has expired.

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Listers (and Kaleb, if you feel agreeable to do another one), I have

another

190D Carfax need!

WDBDB26D4GF220054

Thanks a ton.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well its an ftp site, so you will need to use an ftp program to get there

LarryT wrote:

re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
couldn;t get the link to work -- 


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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Tom Hargrave]

Windows XP has no problem connecting to an ftp site without a special ftp
program.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

well its an ftp site, so you will need to use an ftp program to get there

LarryT wrote:
> re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
> couldn;t get the link to work -- 
> 
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
> .
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> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:16 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] W123 CDs
> 
> 
>> Rumor has it that they can be seen at ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

It does have a special ftp program but it is built in.  Its not a very 
good one though.  I usually use smartftp


Tom Hargrave wrote:

Windows XP has no problem connecting to an ftp site without a special ftp
program.

Thanks,
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

well its an ftp site, so you will need to use an ftp program to get there

LarryT wrote:

re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
couldn;t get the link to work -- 


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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] W123 CDs



Rumor has it that they can be seen at ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123





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Re: [MBZ] 87 190D

[RELNGSON]

> < someone
> would replace one unless it had broken. What say you all? If it had broken,
> does that mean that some engine components were likely damaged?
> 
> He claims that the flex disk has been replaced. Why would someone replace
> this?>>
> 
Really, to make this series of questions complete, you should also ask "Which 
oil?"

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats

[RELNGSON]

> <>
> 
What do you mean, "no mixing?" You mean it's straight anti-freeze with no 
water? Surely not.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E

[kok.hong]

Thank you all, I will try and remedy one by one with the given suggestions 
on the 190E.


Thank you again.

KS

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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] can some one help on coolant in 190E



If your light is coming on but the level is OK, the sensor is bad.  The
coolant should be mixed 50/50 with water.  That would cause it to run
warmer.  Also, if you have your AC on and your temp gets up a little but
the aux fan does not kick on, that could be your problem too.  Temp
switch for the fan may be bad.

kok.hong wrote:

HI all,

I replaced the radiator about 6 months ago (original radiator leaks after 
13 yrs) with an OME radiator (costly but maybe it will last longer). 
Then I filled it up with MB coolant (no mixing) and drove it.  No problem 
since then.


Couple of days ago, I decided to run it in the weather of '90sF and 
distance is only 10 miles, it went hot and then the light for "low 
coolant in radiator" shows up.  Immediately, I opened the hood and let it 
cool.  Also, I check the hoses (top and bottom which returns to the 
recovery tank) are hot.  Next day, I opened the cap and see the coolant 
level and is at max.


I started the engine and light is still on even though the ambient temp 
in the garage is low ''70F.  Coolant temp is zero at start up.   I drove 
it out in the temp of low '80sF for 7 miles and coolant temp is rising 
from 0 to 80C and light is still on.  About 5 mins later, coolant temp is 
100C and on way back, I had to cool the engine by turning on the window 
defroster to keep the engine temp at 90C.  Otherwise it is at 100C or 
more.


In both cases, AC is on.

Questions:
1) did I screw up the ratio in MB coolant and water?
2) is there a way to measure the specific gravity instead of ratio?
3) drain the radiator and replace with water?
4) is the thermostat faulty?  But it was replace about a year ago.

Please help.

Thank you.
KS
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Re: [MBZ] 87 190D

[Zoltan Finks]

I ask questions to get information. You are free to delete, friend.

Brian


On 5/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> < someone
> would replace one unless it had broken. What say you all? If it had
broken,
> does that mean that some engine components were likely damaged?
>
> He claims that the flex disk has been replaced. Why would someone
replace
> this?>>
>
Really, to make this series of questions complete, you should also ask
"Which
oil?"

RLE
>
>




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Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats

[kok.hong]

Yes, I did straight anti-freeze (MB coolant not the green stuff or yellow 
stuff) to the recovery tank.


Guess, I goof here as I thought it has more water in there than coolant.

KS

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<>


What do you mean, "no mixing?" You mean it's straight anti-freeze with no
water? Surely not.

RLE 

Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[OK Don]

Both Firefox and I.E.7 open this site without any special ftp program
- just click in the links. I opened the PDF files without any problem
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On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It does have a special ftp program but it is built in.  Its not a very
good one though.  I usually use smartftp

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Windows XP has no problem connecting to an ftp site without a special ftp
> program.
>


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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[LarryT]

Thanks Don - I tried it with Netscape and worked -- 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs



It works for me - Firefox - just clicked on it. It opens a directory -
choose CD 1 or 2.

On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
couldn;t get the link to work --



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Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats

[LarryT]

Howdy -
   Proper mixture is 50:50 whether you mix it or it's premixed.   Last time 
I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06)  it was concentrated and needed to 
be mixed with H2O.


   Antifreeze provides the best protection (to a lower temp)  with 50%  H2O 
than as straight antifreeze.  I believe the same is true for protection 
against over-heating .


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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats



Yes, I did straight anti-freeze (MB coolant not the green stuff or yellow
stuff) to the recovery tank.

Guess, I goof here as I thought it has more water in there than coolant.

KS

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<>


What do you mean, "no mixing?" You mean it's straight anti-freeze with no
water? Surely not.

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[LarryT]

Hmm... I keep IE7 updated but it didn't recognize the link.  Netscape worked 
1st time without any help.


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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs



Both Firefox and I.E.7 open this site without any special ftp program
- just click in the links. I opened the PDF files without any problem
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On 5/28/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It does have a special ftp program but it is built in.  Its not a very
good one though.  I usually use smartftp

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Windows XP has no problem connecting to an ftp site without a special 
> ftp

> program.
>


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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Wonko the Sane]

I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them to
launch. No guarantees.

On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs


> It works for me - Firefox - just clicked on it. It opens a directory -
> choose CD 1 or 2.
>
> On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> re: ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123
>> couldn;t get the link to work --
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Rich Thomas]

Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the Index 
(like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files 
without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk?  I might have 
saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look.


--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:

I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them to
launch. No guarantees.

On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  

Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Wonko the Sane]

If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use
your list as the front end.

On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the Index
(like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files
without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk?  I might have
saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them
to
> launch. No guarantees.
>
> On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] 87 190D

[John Freer]

Because they both wear out. Next?

On 5/28/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I ask questions to get information. You are free to delete, friend.

Brian


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> > < > someone
> > would replace one unless it had broken. What say you all? If it had
> broken,
> > does that mean that some engine components were likely damaged?
> >
> > He claims that the flex disk has been replaced. Why would someone
> replace
> > this?>>
> >
> Really, to make this series of questions complete, you should also ask
> "Which
> oil?"
>
> RLE
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Rich Thomas]

http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have 
what is needed.


--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:

If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use
your list as the front end.

On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the Index
(like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files
without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk?  I might have
saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:


I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them
  

to


launch. No guarantees.

On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  

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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant

[Peter Frederick]

You must use a sealant, the factory does.  Some sort of high temp 
resistant RTC, the black stuff, is what you want.


Glad you managed to get it repaired!

Peter

Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Wonko the Sane]

Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I
can use his work on "my/our" site.

On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have
what is needed.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use
> your list as the front end.
>
> On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the
Index
>> (like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files
>> without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk?  I might have
>> saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>>
>>> I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> launch. No guarantees.
>>>
>>> On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Wonko the Sane]

Anybody know what that site belongs to? There isn't a "contact me" anywhere
that I can see.

On 5/28/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if
I can use his work on "my/our" site.

On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have
> what is needed.
>
> --R
>
>




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Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Rich Thomas]

Oh, and this guy has indexes for a bunch of other models too:

odel 107
Model 108/109/110/112
Model 114/115
Model 116
Model 123
Model 124
Model 126
Model 201
Service Library

Mercedes-Benz Service Library Index
Download Page
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Re: [MBZ] 190E overheats

[Peter Frederick]

Better boil-over protection at 75%, but you get reduced cooling 
capacity.  Cadillac used to use 75% glycol for high temperature summer 
(tropical) applications.  Better freeze protection, too.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] W123 CDs

[Rich Thomas]

He is someone named Steve Nervigs, referenced here:

http://mbca.cartama.net/archive/index.php/t-10036.html

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Yea, that just might do it. Might have to drop the guy an email and ask if I
can use his work on "my/our" site.

On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

http://web.mac.com/dakota/iWeb/Mercedes/Indexes.html appears to have
what is needed.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:


If you have it, I will combine all .pdf files into one directory and use
your list as the front end.

On 5/28/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Didn't someone at some point have an understandable version of the


Index


(like in the manual, more or less) so you could actually find pdf files
without having to use the stupid front-end on the disk?  I might have
saved it somewhere -- I'll have to look.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:



I am going to play with the index.htm file(s) to see if I can get them

  

to



launch. No guarantees.

On 5/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  

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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan Gasket sealant

[OK Don]

As luck would have it, I didn't think I had enough Hylomar, so did use
the High temp RTV. Now to get the alignment close enough to drive it
to the shop 

On 5/28/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You must use a sealant, the factory does.  Some sort of high temp
resistant RTC, the black stuff, is what you want.

Glad you managed to get it repaired!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] premixed?

[RELNGSON]

> < I bought it from the MB dealer (Feb 06)  it was concentrated and needed to
> be mixed with H2O.>>
> 
I have never, ever, seen premixed antifreeze and water. Why in the world 
would anyone buy water?

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