Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 22, Issue 109
Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:24:25 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Quick Mercedes trivia questions The 3 point system was not mandated by the Feds until years later, so once again, in reference to 3 point belts, MB was AHEAD of the pack again. Three point lap/shoulder belts on front seats were required beginning January 1, 1976. My 1976 Ford pickup (build date November 1975) has lap belts only and does not have upper anchorages for shoulder belts. 1976 model pickups with 1976 build dates have shoulder belt anchorages. I feel sort of naked sometimes driving it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap Microsoft Office 2007
You mean OpenOffice? :) www.openoffice.org -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Luther, When you say OpenSource are you referring to Abiword? It's an OpenSource word processor but perhaps OpenSource is a generic term? Anyway, I made sure I have the latest version and then looked under Tools as you suggest. Still no Envelope command. Perhaps I need a plug-in? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
Did you check to see if the windings might be shorted to ground? It looks like the center of the field winding might be, each slip ring measures in the 5-9 ohm range to frame ground. I'm guessing that's not good? -- Jim How close are the ohm readings? Could the winding be center tapped to ground or someplace else? (Just guessing.) Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you check to see if the windings might be shorted to ground? It looks like the center of the field winding might be, each slip ring measures in the 5-9 ohm range to frame ground. I'm guessing that's not good? -- Jim How close are the ohm readings? Could the winding be center tapped to ground or someplace else? (Just guessing.) Gerry -- If there is a short to ground, have you thought about replacing the windings? In the past, if you could get the wedges/insulators out of the shorted stator or rotor windings and take them to a motor shop, they would wind new ones for you for a reasonable price. You might also wind your own if the wire is available. Years ago I knew a guy who would take his shorted windings down to a fishermans store and measure their length on one of those jigs they use to measure fishline. Then he'd use the same jig to reel off the same length of new wire. He'd take it home and wind it on a jig he would run on low speed in his drill press. He'd put it back in the stator or rotor with the same wedges/insulators. Claimed the motors ran well. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CarFax, please
Me, yes; her, no. I have failed as an MB parent... BillR -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 19, 2007 10:32 PM To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax, please billr wrote: At this point she is looking for either a Voyager or a Corolla [less than $4k]. Now those two sound interchangeable. ;-) I've been told (mainly in the context of eBay) to never buy a car from a FL used car dealer. Maybe private seller isn't as bad. Used Toys and Hondas never seem like a good deal up here in MI. Either they are overpriced or overworn or both. (Sure, I'd love to pay you $3500 for your 1992 Crudolla. Not.) Won't $3500 get you a decent '87 300D or SDL, or a very nice 300E? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
It looks like the center of the field winding might be, each slip ring measures in the 5-9 ohm range to frame ground. I'm guessing that's not good? How close are the ohm readings? Could the winding be center tapped to ground or someplace else? (Just guessing.) It's _possible_, but I fail to see the purpose behind it. Ground is the only possible place for the center tap, there is no third slip ring or other way to get at it. If it's a single short it might even be harmless, but if more than one wire is shorted there could be eddy currents circulating in the loop thus formed that would cause overheating or other problems. There would also be a proportional reduction in field strength, depending on how many turns were shorted out. I'm sure rewinding the rotor is _possible_, but I'm not sure I want to go there! There's no guarantee that the (complex) regulator works, either. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
2 strokes are not very efficient the emissions are too high. Also, they tend to have a very narrow power band. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] presale: 300TE IowaQ
Ok, so who is that? Got a list? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] presale: 300TE IowaQ Everyone who is anyone will be there. Except Mitch -- still don't know about him. And one should be there won't be because of a scheduling conflict. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Confusing window A/C
Many thanks to: Phillip, Mak, Mitch, Jim Cathey, Jim Friesen, and anyone I missed for your help on the A/C. Just happened to get good prices on 7.5 and 35 mfd. capacitors from an A/C guy and tried them. Both the fan and compressor work, but the control unit doesn't turn on the compressor. When the capacitor went bad it must have taken the control unit with it. I'm going to use the control unit for the fan and hook the the compressor to a relay/thermostat assembly I have on hand. Jim Friesen warned me about the risk of fire when bypassing the fire prevention circuits in the control panel and I apprecitate it. However, since the fan shows an internal overheat switch. the compressor has one as well, and since I only run the A/C when I'm in the shop; it's probably a reasonably safe gamble. Hope so anyway. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
You don't need anything fancy to control the excitation voltage. I've seen everything from a diode and a resistor, to a microprocessor board with fuzzy logic that also controls the throttle. Here is a basic troubleshooting guide: http://utterpower.com/Trouble.htm -Dave Walton On 9/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like the center of the field winding might be, each slip ring measures in the 5-9 ohm range to frame ground. I'm guessing that's not good? How close are the ohm readings? Could the winding be center tapped to ground or someplace else? (Just guessing.) It's _possible_, but I fail to see the purpose behind it. Ground is the only possible place for the center tap, there is no third slip ring or other way to get at it. If it's a single short it might even be harmless, but if more than one wire is shorted there could be eddy currents circulating in the loop thus formed that would cause overheating or other problems. There would also be a proportional reduction in field strength, depending on how many turns were shorted out. I'm sure rewinding the rotor is _possible_, but I'm not sure I want to go there! There's no guarantee that the (complex) regulator works, either. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 22, Issue 109
Robert Bigham wrote: My 1976 Ford pickup (build date November 1975) has lap belts only... I feel sort of naked sometimes driving it. In Michigan, getting pulled over every 15 minutes would bring your average speed down to bicycle levels. Now that you mention it, my dad's '73 F100 only had three lab belts. His '76 GMC 25 (or was it 2500? anyway, the 3/4 ton version) had outboard shoulder belts. Now I know why. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Moose Thursday
Now, if we could only domesticate cats Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT: Moose Thursday No MB content, but given our preoccupation with Bullwinkle http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_700/newsid_7002100/7002119.stm?b w=bbmp=wmasb=1news=1ms3=54 or http://tinyurl.com/2ugg5p -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] presale: 300TE IowaQ
Wonko the Sane wrote: Everyone who is anyone will be there. Except Mitch -- still don't know about him. And one should be there won't be because of a scheduling conflict. I became less likely yesterday when a muscle spasm took my back out. The muscle should be too weak to spasm in a couple of days, but I was already way behind in getting my garage built before this happened. Also, I was thinking of making it a M/C trip but budget doesn't allow for the M/C purchase now, so I'd have to fix the heat in the 190E and drive that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Moose Thursday
No MB content, but given our preoccupation with Bullwinkle http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_700/newsid_7002100/7002119.stm?bw=bbmp=wmasb=1news=1ms3=54 or http://tinyurl.com/2ugg5p -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] presale: 300TE IowaQ
Don't know about the wagon, but the sedan got the M104 in 1993. Gary 1995 E320 On 9/19/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope 1994 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
archer wrote: Germany built a three cylinder two cycle car, Who did that, DKW? NSU/Auto Union/Audi? The Saab had an oil measuring cup in the gas cap, I think you were supposed to put regular 30W motor oil in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
- Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter -- Germany built a three cylinder two cycle car, a few of which were around after WW-2. Saab supposedly copied the engine and ran it in their early models. I drove the German version, which was also front wheel drive, on a trip since I was thinking about buying it from the owner. The steering was very clunky while driving/parking at low speeds, so no sale. IIRC it got fairly good gas mileage. One problem was the pistons tendency to stick in the cylinders, which is what eventually happened to the car I drove. This was before detergent oils, synthetic oils, etc. had been developed; so the cars weren't very practical back then. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
They were not diesel Peter -Original Message- From: archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 September 2007 15:06 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter -- Germany built a three cylinder two cycle car, a few of which were around after WW-2. Saab supposedly copied the engine and ran it in their early models. I drove the German version, which was also front wheel drive, on a trip since I was thinking about buying it from the owner. The steering was very clunky while driving/parking at low speeds, so no sale. IIRC it got fairly good gas mileage. One problem was the pistons tendency to stick in the cylinders, which is what eventually happened to the car I drove. This was before detergent oils, synthetic oils, etc. had been developed; so the cars weren't very practical back then. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
Two stroke in general never really took off in the car segment. The disadvantage of 2 stroke Diesels is that they need a supercharger to make em work. Why design a complicated 2 stroke engine when it is far easier to build a four stroke. Petrol two strokes don't need a supercharger and are relatively light, which makes them ideal for applications where horsepower is needed but a heavy engine isn't. Such as chainsaws, motorcycles (particularly off road ones) and a variety of other special things. Perhaps with the introduction of CDI technology we may see a two stroke Diesel in cars, or even small Diesel motors in general. Peter Merle wrote: Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
FYI - I have a 15kw China Genset and get 15 ohms between the rings on the rotor. I show no reading (infinite resistance) between the rotor winding and ground. -Dave Walton On 9/20/07, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need anything fancy to control the excitation voltage. I've seen everything from a diode and a resistor, to a microprocessor board with fuzzy logic that also controls the throttle. Here is a basic troubleshooting guide: http://utterpower.com/Trouble.htm -Dave Walton On 9/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like the center of the field winding might be, each slip ring measures in the 5-9 ohm range to frame ground. I'm guessing that's not good? How close are the ohm readings? Could the winding be center tapped to ground or someplace else? (Just guessing.) It's _possible_, but I fail to see the purpose behind it. Ground is the only possible place for the center tap, there is no third slip ring or other way to get at it. If it's a single short it might even be harmless, but if more than one wire is shorted there could be eddy currents circulating in the loop thus formed that would cause overheating or other problems. There would also be a proportional reduction in field strength, depending on how many turns were shorted out. I'm sure rewinding the rotor is _possible_, but I'm not sure I want to go there! There's no guarantee that the (complex) regulator works, either. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
You don't need anything fancy to control the excitation voltage. I've seen everything from a diode and a resistor, to a microprocessor board with fuzzy logic that also controls the throttle. Here is a basic troubleshooting guide: http://utterpower.com/Trouble.htm Thanks, I'd already found that guide, which was helpful. The thing I don't understand is the two different excitation windings that seem to feed the regulator. FYI - I have a 15kw China Genset and get 15 ohms between the rings on the rotor. I show no reading (infinite resistance) between the rotor winding and ground. Yeah, I suspect that there's something wrong there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: Re: CarFax, please
Kaleb - Don't have your address on this computer. Do you still have Dan's 123LWB?. Guess I should also ask if you have a good vehicle for my daughter and 3 kids [two in car seats[ for @ $3500? I'm thinking transport could be a problem though. BillR -Forwarded Message- From: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 20, 2007 10:59 AM To: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax, please No mate at the moment [long story]. Not sure about what Kaleb has, but I would be happier to see her in an MB [one of them saved my life a few years ago: '62 220Sb vs DOA drunk in a Camero]. I'd be willing to travel a bit to get her a safe and dependable one. I'll copy this to Kaleb for his input. The $4500 is a bit out of her price range, though we might be permitted to help a bit [she is an independant sort] for the right car. Just the four of them, though she would prefer all the kids to be in the back seat and two of those in car seats. I have thought about the auction idea - I think a relative does some of that. Problem would be to find one at auction that is a good price and in good shape as she would not be able to afford repairs on anything. Does the Mercury line hold up well? My son is an ex mechanic [mow into computers for the USAF] and he suggested the Voyager / Toyota route. I think an MB wagon or a van would be the best bed for her. Bill -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 20, 2007 9:49 AM To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax, please billr wrote: Isn't a Cougar a 2 door? Yeah, I think it's based on the Mazda 6 coupe. I just happened to think of it because I saw a 2001 with leather and everything for $4500/OBO. It's the only American car that made me look twice and think wow, what's that? in a long time. Only a gymnast could insert/remove a child seat in the back easily. Does she have a mate too? If so, the five of them would not like a Corolla, even a wagon, I bet. Does Kleb still have Dan's 123LWB? Now that's a dependable car with some rear seat room. There's a broad range of minivan sellers, ranging from the ones who want you to pay for their new van, to those who just bought a leather clad SUV and just want to get rid of the van, and now. My ex-boss got his wife a well appointed 2005 Grand Caravan in the summer of 2006, I think it cost him about 12k. Got it from a dealer friend who buys cars at auction and sells them for $500 over cost. I bet if I told him I wanted the best Grand (LWB) Caravan/Voyager/TownCountry that $3000 could buy at auction, I'd have a very good one within a month. Could probably get a very nice Grand Am sedan for less $, but even a 4dr would be a pain with three kids. BTW, there are several decent $4k and under deals in my local paper's Mercury section, including '00 and '03 Sables, a Mystique (Contour) and a '01 Villager(Nissan Quest). The '03 Sable is high miles though. Now that I think about it, $4k would probably get a decent late '90's SLS or STS, or maybe a Lincoln. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: CarFax, please
billr wrote: Do you still have Dan's 123LWB?. I know he's still got a picture of it: http://okiebenz.com/MVC-003S.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
On that diagram, F1-F2 is the winding in the Rotor. All the U points and the two windings labeled 3 are the primary windings in the housing that give you 110V each, or 220V in series with a center tap, just like power from the utility. Z1 - Z2 is a winding in the housing that is used only for powering the rotor. You don't need a special winding and can power the rotor from one of the primary windings - but you have to lower the voltage a lot and there is enough current that you need a regulated switching power supply, or some kind of big-ass resistor. The Chinese like to put in the extra winding and keep the electronics simple. No argument from me there. 5 is a bridge rectifier that converts the AC coming off the excitation winding to DC to power the rotor. The zigzag thing with green lines and a red cross arrow is a variable resistor. You adjust that to change the output voltage of the primary windings. You probably only need a few ohms of resistance. But that all depends on the design of the thing. Some control circuits will have maybe 3 or 4 resistors already in place and you connect to the one(s) that give the closest output voltage. Very low-tech :-) Personally, I would try to avoid disconnecting the excitation voltage then the thing is spinning. -Dave Walton On 9/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need anything fancy to control the excitation voltage. I've seen everything from a diode and a resistor, to a microprocessor board with fuzzy logic that also controls the throttle. Here is a basic troubleshooting guide: http://utterpower.com/Trouble.htm Thanks, I'd already found that guide, which was helpful. The thing I don't understand is the two different excitation windings that seem to feed the regulator. FYI - I have a 15kw China Genset and get 15 ohms between the rings on the rotor. I show no reading (infinite resistance) between the rotor winding and ground. Yeah, I suspect that there's something wrong there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: CarFax, please
Thats one of those cars I wish I would have kept. Damn. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: CarFax, please billr wrote: Do you still have Dan's 123LWB?. I know he's still got a picture of it: http://okiebenz.com/MVC-003S.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '87 300td EBay Project
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: CarFax, please
lol. Well. I like it. He is offering me the 420S for my price. That trips my interst. Bill -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 20, 2007 11:28 AM To: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: CarFax, please billr wrote: Do you still have Dan's 123LWB?. I know he's still got a picture of it: http://okiebenz.com/MVC-003S.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
-- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: Germany built a three cylinder two cycle car, Who did that, DKW? NSU/Auto Union/Audi? The Saab had an oil measuring cup in the gas cap, I think you were supposed to put regular 30W motor oil in it. Mitch. BTDT Put 1 qt of cheapest non-detergant you can find (I used Grants Special @ $.29/Qt) with 8 gallons of gas. Got to drive hard so as not to foul plugs. Left Rear fender will nevr rust, due to spilled oil! Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower fuse blows slow
Hans Neureiter wrote: My blower fuse (25A) blows after a few hours of ACC operation, faster if fan is run on high. I suspect a bad blower motor, but is it? How about the pre-resistors or the blower control? Can I supply + battery V directly to the motor and see what the amps are? The fuse gets extremely hot (discoloration of paper in fuse box lid) and the relays in the area (Power seats, Aux fan and Power windows) are too hot to touch. If you are referring to the '82 300SD, the 25 A fuse was retrofitted with a 30A fuse located in a separate fuse box. The original fuse was a tad too small for the job. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil Sucker Instructions
Howdy - Can't figure out how to search the archives and I must have lost the email with the instructions but I recall someone having instructions for building an inexpensive Oil Sucker made from Home Depot parts. Does anyone have that info? If so, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker Instructions
http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil Sucker Instructions Howdy - Can't figure out how to search the archives and I must have lost the email with the instructions but I recall someone having instructions for building an inexpensive Oil Sucker made from Home Depot parts. Does anyone have that info? If so, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
Google cerlist diesel and you'll find a 3cyl 85hp 2 cycle diesel was used in the Jeep forward control series at one point in the late '50s and early '60s. Cerlist apparently claimed that each cylinder of their engine could make 25hp (I dunno why the 3 in the FC Jeep was 85hp). Supposedly they made or were going to make a 100hp v4 engine. If true and it was acceptable for automotive use just think of the possibilities. -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:22:22 +0200 From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil sucker instructions
HOMEMADE /$2 TOPSIDER/OIL SUCKER (This method of oil removal by suction works only if oil dipstick tube goes to lowest point in oil pan, as in a Mercedes. Oil below bottom of dipstick tube can't be removed by this method without sticking an oil evacuation tube down the dipstick tube to bottom of the oil pan. Mercedes engines since the 60's have been built with dipstick tubes to lowest point in the pan, specifically, to expedite removal of oil by suction. I don't know if dipstick tubes in other engines go to bottom of the pan.) EQUIPMENT/PARTS: 1. Vacuum cleaner (shop or domestic unit) with ITS hose 2. 5 gal plastic joint compound or detergent bucket (or appropriate size container strong enough not to collapse under vacuum cleaner suction) 3. ~ 5 feet of 5/8 inch OD plastic tubing with some fabric in the walls to help it resist collapsing due to suction and heat from the oil CONSTRUCTION: 1. Near the outer edge of the bucket's plastic top, cut a small hole slightly smaller than the 5/8 inch tube. Insert end of 5/8 inch tube snugly into this hole - NOT to the bottom of the bucket - only an inch or so into the top - enough to stay securely in place. (If the discharge end of the evacuation tube is below the oil level in the bucket, much bubbling and turbulence will occur in the oil when most of the oil has been removed from the engine, and the sucker sucks air. The turbulence may cause oil to be spattered near and drawn into the vac hose.) 2. Near the opposite edge of the bucket's top from the 5/8 inch tube, cut a hole slightly smaller than the suction end of the vac cleaner hose. Insert suction end of the vac cleaner hose snugly into this hole - NOT way down in the bucket - just past the top enough to stay securely in place. 3. Insert other end of 5/8 inch OD plastic tube snugly INTO TOP inch and a half or so of engine oil dipstick tube. (If you feel more comfortable by wrapping a bit of tape around the plastic tube to increase its size and make it fit more snugly INSIDE the dipstick tube, please do so.) 4. Attach other end of vac hose to the vac cleaner. UP-GRADED, FIRST CLASS UNIT: In lieu of plastic joint compound or detergent bucket, use 5 gal. kerosene, gasoline or other appropriate metal or plastic can with built-in pouring spout and filler opening. 1. Insert suction end of vac cleaner hose snugly into the can's pouring spout. 2. Insert/install end of 5/8 inch oil removal tube in the can's other opening. (I used PVC couplings/fittings of appropriate sizes to adapt filler opening for the 5/8 inch tube. I also used a short section of 1½ inch dia. PVC, installed with slight downward slope inside the top of the can to discharge the oil across the can as far as possible from the suction/vac opening. The 1½ inch PVC pipe inside the can also causes the air being removed from the engine after the siphoning action is broken to slow down enough to release small droplets of oil that may be suspended in it.) Insert suction end of this tube into top of dipstick tube. OIL REMOVAL: 1. Have engine at or near operating temp. 2. Loosen top of oil filter canister lift it ½ inch or so to allow oil to run freely out of canister down into oil pan when vac starts. 3. Turn vac cleaner ON. 4. Change filter while oil flows into the receiver. (I can't get mine changed before the oil removal is finished.) 5. When satisfied that oil removal is complete/sufficient, lift end of 5/8 inch tube out of dipstick tube. (Turn end of tube upward and lift it upward to aid flow of any oil in the tube into the bucket.) 6. Turn vac cleaner OFF. 7. Don't forget to replenish oil in the engine! 8. Clean up - stow equipment. I have used this type sucker several times with excellent results. The difference between a troubled oil change and a very clean and quick oil change is the strength (resistance to collapse) of the oil evacuation tube. Collapse of this tube can prevent the flow of anything - air, oil, ANYTHING - into the bucket and can lead to the bucket's collapse if a weak container is used. My upgraded, first class sucker uses a metal kerosene can as the oil receiver, but I have used a joint compound bucket as the oil receiver several times with equal success. Because of the permanently enclosed top and pouring spout, the kerosene can makes dumping the oil much cleaner and easier, though - never have to touch the oil, and don't have the trouble of removing the top from a plastic container. Use 5/8 inch OD plastic tubing with some fabric in the walls to help it resist collapsing due to suction and heat from the oil. The clear, limber, plastic tubing is too weak - collapses easily. Loosen top of oil filter canister lift it a half inch or so to allow oil to run freely out of canister down into oil pan when vac starts. Using the sucker has several advantages for me. The typical ones: not having to crawl under the car to get to the pan plug, not having to remove the belly pan on the
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker Instructions
Here's my version http://www.constructivity.net/oilsucker.htm --R LarryT wrote: Howdy - Can't figure out how to search the archives and I must have lost the email with the instructions but I recall someone having instructions for building an inexpensive Oil Sucker made from Home Depot parts. Does anyone have that info? If so, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
John Robbins wrote: The car has developed an exhaust leak Lets try again (somehow managed to mash a keyboard shortcut) The car has developed an exhaust leak on the flex pipe... Since I don't have a welder, and don't want to replace the whole thing took it to a shop to get it replaced. They gave me some line about it having ceramic mixed in it, and that it would cost $400 to replace. Looking at Rusty's site it is a little over $100 for the whole 'header pipe' (turbo to center muffler)... so is there really ceramic stuff mixed in? Seems to me like I just got fed a line of bull John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
really? No kidding --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust The car has developed an exhaust leak ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
Uh, nooo. I think maybe they are talking about the cat thats in the 87's. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust John Robbins wrote: The car has developed an exhaust leak Lets try again (somehow managed to mash a keyboard shortcut) The car has developed an exhaust leak on the flex pipe... Since I don't have a welder, and don't want to replace the whole thing took it to a shop to get it replaced. They gave me some line about it having ceramic mixed in it, and that it would cost $400 to replace. Looking at Rusty's site it is a little over $100 for the whole 'header pipe' (turbo to center muffler)... so is there really ceramic stuff mixed in? Seems to me like I just got fed a line of bull John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker Instructions
Thanks Rich!! Also thanks to Wilton Kaleb! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker Instructions Here's my version http://www.constructivity.net/oilsucker.htm --R LarryT wrote: Howdy - Can't figure out how to search the archives and I must have lost the email with the instructions but I recall someone having instructions for building an inexpensive Oil Sucker made from Home Depot parts. Does anyone have that info? If so, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 9/19/2007 3:59 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: really? No kidding insert banned response here ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
I don't know about ceramic in there, but given what a pain it would be to try and weld that thin old flex, and that it wouldn't likely last more than a week, I broke down and bought the new pipe section when faced with that problem. ---Robert John Robbins wrote: John Robbins wrote: The car has developed an exhaust leak Lets try again (somehow managed to mash a keyboard shortcut) The car has developed an exhaust leak on the flex pipe... Since I don't have a welder, and don't want to replace the whole thing took it to a shop to get it replaced. They gave me some line about it having ceramic mixed in it, and that it would cost $400 to replace. Looking at Rusty's site it is a little over $100 for the whole 'header pipe' (turbo to center muffler)... so is there really ceramic stuff mixed in? Seems to me like I just got fed a line of bull John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: I don't know about ceramic in there, but given what a pain it would be to try and weld that thin old flex, and that it wouldn't likely last more than a week, I broke down and bought the new pipe section when faced with that problem. Aren't you able to get a section of the flex that is already attached to a short section of pipe (more like a fitting?) so you do the weld there? I'm pretty sure I've seen that on my old SD. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no two stroke diesels
There were LOTS of 2-stroke diesels made, the most famous being the detroits. They were THE heavy diesel engine for marine and heavy vehicle use for decades in this country. THe engine was modular, availalbe from 2 cyl to 12 cyl (maybe 16, I donno) versions. The most popular was the 6/71--6 cyl, 71 cubes per cyl. Made about 210 hp in working trim and were universally known as screaming Jimmies for their high-frequency racket. Someone once described the engine as making a sound akin to an all-night fight between dogs and geese. They were the GM city bus engine for decades, and were also used in Greyhounds and many semis until the 70s and later. 8/ and even 12/71s were also used in semis—the 12/71 was nicknamed the buzzin' dozen. They were relatively cheap, extremely simple, and produced pretty good power for their weight, but weren't as efficient or easy to turbocharge as 4-stroke engines, and had relatively narrow power bands and very little low-speed torque, making for lots of shifting. They were better suited to marine use, and I believe they were originally developed to power landing craft during WWII. My brother has a '73 International semitractor with a 6/71, and it's very hard to get used to after driving, say, a Cat or Cummins semi--you have to rev it until you're sure it's going to explode, and THEN the power starts coming on. Given my limited experience with that, I much prefer 4-stroke diesels for torque and quiet. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
archer wrote: Germany built a three cylinder two cycle car, Who did that, DKW? NSU/Auto Union/Audi? The Saab had an oil measuring cup in the gas cap, I think you were supposed to put regular 30W motor oil in it. Mitch. ___ DKW, I'm pretty sure. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
Very high emissions and very poor milage. 2-stroke diesel technology hit a dead end about 30 years ago, anything still around is a left-over remnant. The combination of low compression, inability to scavenge well, and reduced expansion capability doomed the concept. The only advantage is low weight, and once you get the huge supercharger in there to scavenge it will enough to produce decent power, that advantage is gone as well. Peter On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:22 AM, Peter Merle wrote: Why does the 2 stoke diesel not exist in passenger cars ? Are the emmisions too high? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
No more two-strokes allowed in the US -- everything is gonna be four-stroke from now on out. Horrible emissions. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
archer wrote: Germany built a three cylinder two cycle car, Who did that, DKW? NSU/Auto Union/Audi? The Saab had an oil measuring cup in the gas cap, I think you were supposed to put regular 30W motor oil in it. Mitch. ___ DKW, I'm pretty sure. Gerry DKW for sure, had a 3=6 DKW in Aden in the 60's Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Rules! - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 5kW Chinese Genset
that is used only for powering the rotor. You don't need a special winding and can power the rotor from one of the primary windings - but you have to lower the voltage a lot and there is enough current that you need a regulated switching power supply, or some kind of big-ass resistor. Either it's unregulated (manually regulated via rheostat), or there is an active voltage regulator, or you use one a special harmonic (?) winding to power the rotor. You can't just step down the primary output to feed the rotor. What is confusing to me is why _my_ generator appears to have two windings going to the regulator. That makes a total of five windings, plus the rotor. (Plus the winding in the engine for charging its battery.) Two 120V primaries, one 12V battery charger, and the two excitation windings. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no two stroke diesels
No that is not quite right, apparently the 6/71 numbers mean that it makes 6 horsepower and has 71 oil leaks :-) Dan Weeks wrote: There were LOTS of 2-stroke diesels made, the most famous being the detroits. They were THE heavy diesel engine for marine and heavy vehicle use for decades in this country. THe engine was modular, availalbe from 2 cyl to 12 cyl (maybe 16, I donno) versions. The most popular was the 6/71--6 cyl, 71 cubes per cyl. Made about 210 hp in working trim and were universally known as screaming Jimmies for their high-frequency racket. Someone once described the engine as making a sound akin to an all-night fight between dogs and geese. They were the GM city bus engine for decades, and were also used in Greyhounds and many semis until the 70s and later. 8/ and even 12/71s were also used in semis—the 12/71 was nicknamed the buzzin' dozen. They were relatively cheap, extremely simple, and produced pretty good power for their weight, but weren't as efficient or easy to turbocharge as 4-stroke engines, and had relatively narrow power bands and very little low-speed torque, making for lots of shifting. They were better suited to marine use, and I believe they were originally developed to power landing craft during WWII. My brother has a '73 International semitractor with a 6/71, and it's very hard to get used to after driving, say, a Cat or Cummins semi--you have to rev it until you're sure it's going to explode, and THEN the power starts coming on. Given my limited experience with that, I much prefer 4-stroke diesels for torque and quiet. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
Umnh, no the 2 stroke Diesel concept is alive and well. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/a_lightweight_v.html http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ http://www.aopa.org/pilot/features/future0008.html http://www.2si.com/2si_Industrial.htm http://www.mandiesel.com/ However in the medium segment they lost out to 4 stroke as they became more efficient and cleaner. Also 4 stroke is perceived to be more reliable and long term cost efficient. I am not sure whether the screaming Jimmies used a wet or dry sleeve. Peter Frederick wrote: Very high emissions and very poor milage. 2-stroke diesel technology hit a dead end about 30 years ago, anything still around is a left-over remnant. The combination of low compression, inability to scavenge well, and reduced expansion capability doomed the concept. The only advantage is low weight, and once you get the huge supercharger in there to scavenge it will enough to produce decent power, that advantage is gone as well. Peter On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:22 AM, Peter Merle wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
A two-stroke has a definite cool factor to it. I can still remember driving my first MIL's two-stroke Saab (93 I think, help me out here Chip) in the early 70s, and at the time it was a well-used vehicle. Four on the column, shifted from 3rd to 4th at 30 mph going downhill. It just radiated (as my college-age step-daughter would say) uber cool. First wife loved telling me about going to the gas station and being stopped by the expert running the station when she started to pour a can of Saab-approved 2-cycle oil into the fuel tank. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no two stroke diesels
No that is not quite right, apparently the 6/71 numbers mean that it makes 6 horsepower and has 71 oil leaks :-) Completely wrong. It's a decibel rating, the / was meant to try to hide the decimal point! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Exhaust
So did I - it wasn't that expensive, and I only had to do the job once. I broke down and bought the new pipe section when faced with that problem. ---Robert -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no two stroke diesels
The plane in which I flew at Cape Cod did 120 db at takeoff power. Some young chick from OSHA showed up one afternoon and wanted to take measurements. I put her in my seat (radio) and cranked up the engines. We sort of BROKE her meter (needle wrapped around the right side stop). I did ask her if she really wanted to do this, because the engines (dual R-1820s) were pretty loud. She insisted. I had warned her ... she didn't listen ... she left really pissed off at me. Ooops, guess I broke her stuff. D. On 9/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No that is not quite right, apparently the 6/71 numbers mean that it makes 6 horsepower and has 71 oil leaks :-) Completely wrong. It's a decibel rating, the / was meant to try to hide the decimal point! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
IIRC, the flat rate time for a major overhaul of the Saab engine was 8 hours. There was a time when the 3 cyl. Saab engine with a bit of tuning was popular in a Lotus 11 chassis. On 9/20/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A two-stroke has a definite cool factor to it. I can still remember driving my first MIL's two-stroke Saab (93 I think, help me out here Chip) in the early 70s, and at the time it was a well-used vehicle. Four on the column, shifted from 3rd to 4th at 30 mph going downhill. It just radiated (as my college-age step-daughter would say) uber cool. First wife loved telling me about going to the gas station and being stopped by the expert running the station when she started to pour a can of Saab-approved 2-cycle oil into the fuel tank. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
That would be the engine -- three cylinders, two-cycle, 20 horsepower. But more fun than a man should have with his pants on. D. On 9/20/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, the flat rate time for a major overhaul of the Saab engine was 8 hours. There was a time when the 3 cyl. Saab engine with a bit of tuning was popular in a Lotus 11 chassis. On 9/20/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A two-stroke has a definite cool factor to it. I can still remember driving my first MIL's two-stroke Saab (93 I think, help me out here Chip) in the early 70s, and at the time it was a well-used vehicle. Four on the column, shifted from 3rd to 4th at 30 mph going downhill. It just radiated (as my college-age step-daughter would say) uber cool. First wife loved telling me about going to the gas station and being stopped by the expert running the station when she started to pour a can of Saab-approved 2-cycle oil into the fuel tank. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
my dad had a saab dealership in albuquerque in the mid 60's and picked up a 65 Saab 96 for my mom which she drove until the early 80's. Lots of memories of that car. saw this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXVRdSbKDT8 -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no 2 stroke diesels
I remember it as having around 36 HP - same as the 1200 VW engine. It sounded like a Singer sewing machine at idle. On 9/20/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be the engine -- three cylinders, two-cycle, 20 horsepower. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Sprinter Crash tests
There is a section where the Sprinter is running on two wheels. http://www.spiegel.de/videos/ Look down the list of videos for Crashtest. It's about eight down right now I don't understand a word of it, but it's still fun to watch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Saab two-strokes (was 2-stroke diesels)
The original Sonett had the 3 cyl. 2 cycle engine. I owned at Sonett III, '74, similar to this one - http://tinyurl.com/3ca7p5 . It was a very fun car. Would have been more fun with more power though. On 9/20/07, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dad had a saab dealership in albuquerque in the mid 60's and picked up a 65 Saab 96 for my mom which she drove until the early 80's. Lots of memories of that car. saw this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXVRdSbKDT8 -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
