Re: [MBZ] The Atlanta car that won't start...

[Kevin Kraly]

but has a hint of much hidden rust

I remember Marshall saying that hidden rust in a W116 is bad.  Rust can hide 
in so many places, and once it gets to the structure, it's a gonner.  I 
wouldn't mind having a nice Diesel W116 (well, at least as nice as my 300SD 
W126).  You know how I am with Mercedes Diesels, at least the ones with 5 or 
6 cylinders (the 1972 220D being the exception).

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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[MBZ] Diesel price up again

[Craig McCluskey]

A couple of weeks ago, the price of diesel was 3.529. Then it jumped to
3.749. Today it jumped to 3.929. Makes one wonder what's going on and when
it's going to stop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Timothy Robinson]

Maybe it was those early years in college when I worked as a night auditor?
I adjusted well to 11-7AM. I'm NOT a morning person.

To this day when there's a project I need to focus on without interruption,
doing taxes, writing a score, doing a schematic, on goes the pot of coffee
and I'm in the office until sunrise. I can't focus on those things "human
hours," 9-5.

> From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:09:05 -0600
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt
> 
>> I tried the 11pm to 7am shift when I was in my 20s - it almost killed
>> me. Couldn't make the adjustment. I was sick more that year than any
>> in my life. My wife worked that shift for a few years while the kids
>> were little - it did not help family life at all. My neighbor across
>> the street has been working it for years and loves it - so it all
>> depends.
> 
> I have worked midnights for five years now. It sucks...
> 
> Caveats,
> YMMV
> My 2¢
> Rick Knoble 
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] another sub kilobuck Mercedes on CL

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:39:59 -0800 "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hows 'bout this 280D fixer upper?
> 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/597679315.html


With a guy who can't even read the logo on the rear trunk lid ...

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:34:01 -0600 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > You missed some great gun recommendations, and discussions of
> > politics.   Someone mentioned something about a Mercedes-Benz car, I
> > think, about 3  weeks ago.  No wait, that was about a Toyota...
> 
> You forgot about the chickens!! ;)

I still have most of the thread about chickens. Should I forward them to
him?  :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:16:50 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I interviewed for a job today in the aviation field that would be
> graveyard, 12 hour shifts.  Im not sure if I want to take if if offered
> though.  Anybody here work this sort of shift?  How does it work out for
> you? 

I was a bachelor in the USAF stationed at Panama City, Florida and was
made Officer In Charge of the midnight shift. It was a very isolating
experience. Later on, after our division flunked a politically-motivated
IG inspection, we were put on 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week. Several
senior sargents and I were on 9 P.M. to 9 A.M., while the other senior
sargents and the other lieutenant were 9 A.M. to 9 P.M. Never were so few
supervised so much by so many ...


> Im a little leary of it.

And well you should be. Particularly with your newly-increased tribe, not
to mention Regina. Are you a night person? I am and I found swing shift
(4 P.M. to midnight) quite tolerable. Graveyard shift was difficult.


> I heard thru the grapevine that somebody called my former boss at my
> previous job checking my references.  I  assume thats a good sign?

I would think so. If they weren't interested, they wouldn't be checking
references.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] vacuum pump-down time?

[Jim Cathey]

> hose.  Replaced the broken tees and the related small lengths of hose.
> Started the car, and it won't shut off.  I'm certain I didn't cross
> any connections, and don't see any other broken tees, but wondered if
> it takes a few minutes of running for the system to be evacuated of
> air after sitting open.

No, you still have a broken or pulled-loose line.  It takes
very little time at all to pump down normally.  Seconds.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] vacuum pump-down time?

[Allan Streib]

Changing oil tonight I managed to snap off one of the plastic tees
near the filter housing cover.  Trying to pull the lines of the other
two branches I managed to snap another tee.

Ran to AutoZone in another vehicle and got some new tees and vacuum
hose.  Replaced the broken tees and the related small lengths of hose.
Started the car, and it won't shut off.  I'm certain I didn't cross
any connections, and don't see any other broken tees, but wondered if
it takes a few minutes of running for the system to be evacuated of
air after sitting open.

I'm going to take a little drive here in a while and find out...

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Robert Rentfro]

I have done 22 years of 12 hour rotating shifts (week of days, week of
nights...repeat). Changes your life. For 3 years before that I did a 2-1-2
rotation; two mids, one day, two swings every week. That sucked. Now I'm on
a dayshift gig. I don't know how to act.

Bob R  

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>I tried the 11pm to 7am shift when I was in my 20s - it almost killed
> me. Couldn't make the adjustment. I was sick more that year than any
> in my life. My wife worked that shift for a few years while the kids
> were little - it did not help family life at all. My neighbor across
> the street has been working it for years and loves it - so it all
> depends.

I have worked midnights for five years now. It sucks...

Caveats,
YMMV
My 2¢
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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[MBZ] OT: BMW V12

[Mitch Haley]

For when a Lamborghini LM002 is just too cumbersome. 
Only 1850lb, $80k.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150223014926

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Rick Knoble]

>I tried the 11pm to 7am shift when I was in my 20s - it almost killed
> me. Couldn't make the adjustment. I was sick more that year than any
> in my life. My wife worked that shift for a few years while the kids
> were little - it did not help family life at all. My neighbor across
> the street has been working it for years and loves it - so it all
> depends.

I have worked midnights for five years now. It sucks...

Caveats,
YMMV
My 2¢
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small and doesn't have Yank style gizmos

[Hendrik & Fay]

One day when I have an hour or two to spare I'll explain to you the 
concept of time zones, also in the southern hemisphere time runs 
backward, so we get up before we go to sleep.

Hendrik
who managed to confuse himself

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> BTW, why are you up at this hour?
>
> I've always wondered this...
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small

[OK Don]

My '87 SDL does have it, but the '90 300D 2.5 doesn't . The SDL also
has memory seats, and the 300D doesn't - maybe it was a package thing.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff Zedic wrote:
>  > All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't have
>  > much in the way of power toys then you may not have this handy
>  > feature.
>
>  My 92 2.5T doesn't for some strange reason.  It has the optional (for
>  that year I think) passenger airbag though.
>

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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

[Jim Cathey]

In fact, a 7/16" bolt has an 11mm diameter shank.  I bought a
3" long sample of the same today, $0.70, and what I found was that it
was an even better fit than the 27/64" drill bit.  I cut off the
threads and cut/filed a notch into the end of the shank.  It fits
nearly perfectly into the IP's timing bore, and doesn't need the nut
slip collar that I was going to make.  Even better.  I made the notch
a bit small to start with, then filed it open incrementally until it
dropped snugly over the tab on the IP's camshaft.  Let the timing
begin!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

[Jim Cathey]

In fact, a 7/16" bolt has an 11mm diameter shank.  I bought a
3" long sample of the same today, $0.70, and what I found was that it
was an even better fit than the 27/64" drill bit.  I cut off the
threads and cut/filed a notch into the end of the shank.  It fits
nearly perfectly into the IP's timing bore, and doesn't need the nut
slip collar that I was going to make.  Even better.  I made the notch
a bit small to start with, then filed it open incrementally until it
dropped snugly over the tab on the IP's camshaft.  Let the timing
begin!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[OK Don]

I tried the 11pm to 7am shift when I was in my 20s - it almost killed
me. Couldn't make the adjustment. I was sick more that year than any
in my life. My wife worked that shift for a few years while the kids
were little - it did not help family life at all. My neighbor across
the street has been working it for years and loves it - so it all
depends.


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Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter on W116 300SD

[Jim Cathey]

> You short between the small wire and battery connection on the
> solenoid.  Not too bad on a NA 61x, but hard to reach on the turbo
> models and impossible on a 60x. the starter it buried.

On diesels you can jump-start from the GP relay control
connector.  Jumper pins 1 or 2 to the fuse screw, whichever
one it is that does it.  Right out there in front on the fender.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:
> 
> That car did have nice paint and it is priced right, but I don't think a
> 116 280 is going to get great fuel mileage.  

...and it might even be a V8 for all we know. 
I have an advantage over you there, as I have a good running 300SD
that I'd like to combine with it. If I can get 28mpg hwy now, 30
should be in reach if I get rid of the torque converter.

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small and doesn't have Yank style gizmos

[Jeff Zedic]

BTW, why are you up at this hour?

I've always wondered this...

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small and doesn't have Yank style gizmos

[Hendrik & Fay]

Well the problem is I have champagne tastes and only a beer budget.
Perhaps one day I'll find a wreck...

Mr Tightwad

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Hendrik,
>
> It's very easy to retrofit the seats...just open your wallet very wide!
>
> Zedic
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] REALLY CHEAP 380SL for Jim CathEy

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just before I bought my first S class, my 81 300SD, I was looking at a
>  81 280S with a manual trans in a 126 bodynice!

Yikes, I hope this one isn't a 280S without the "E".  I hate carburetors.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Compu query

[Jeff Zedic]

This is not the answer but possibly related?

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9020919

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Re: [MBZ] Compu query

[Jeff Zedic]

Did you try turning off your javascript?

Is you AV up to date?

Do you have an eBay toolbar installed?

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small and doesn't have Yank style gizmos

[Jeff Zedic]

Hendrik,

It's very easy to retrofit the seats...just open your wallet very wide!

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] i'm back

[Bill R]

Welcome home.  Your absence was felt. I never got further South than
Mahabalipuram, but I'll take your word for it about Kerala.  Should I come
into a lot of money I'd love to take my darling wife there.
BillR  

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I was in india for the last month and was unsubscribed.  what'd I miss?

BTW - Kerala is highly recommended for a vacation spot.

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[R A Bennell]

That was in the first Police Academy movie.

Randy

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There was a movie back some years ago with Richie Pryor, I can't 
remember what it was called, where he was involved in something with 
this huge guy.  They went to steal a car, was like a Chevette or Vega or 
something, RP said "You won't fit in that" and they guy ripped out the 
front seat and sat in the back and drove off, and just fit in there.  
That was funny.

--R

E M wrote:
> Chevette.  Being tall, you may have to drive it from the back seat, but for
> $1500, you may even find a set.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 06/03/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Wanted:  A very reliable car that gets great fuel mileage, nice paint, and
>> willing to sell for $1500 or less?  This prospect of $4/ gallon gas has me
>> seeking alternate transportation?
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
>>
>> http://www.mtsqh.com/
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[R A Bennell]

I think you may need to add a zero on the end of that figure in order to get 
anything decent. A new  or at least
very late model Honda Civic?

Randy

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Wanted:  A very reliable car that gets great fuel mileage, nice paint, and 
willing to sell for $1500 or less?  This
prospect of $4/ gallon gas has me seeking alternate transportation?

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] The Atlanta car that won't start...

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Looks pretty in the picture but has a hint of much hidden rust

John Robbins wrote:
> Is this worth $500?
> 
> http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/612473
> 
> Thanks!
> John
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[Rich Thomas]

There was a movie back some years ago with Richie Pryor, I can't 
remember what it was called, where he was involved in something with 
this huge guy.  They went to steal a car, was like a Chevette or Vega or 
something, RP said "You won't fit in that" and they guy ripped out the 
front seat and sat in the back and drove off, and just fit in there.  
That was funny.

--R

E M wrote:
> Chevette.  Being tall, you may have to drive it from the back seat, but for
> $1500, you may even find a set.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 06/03/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Wanted:  A very reliable car that gets great fuel mileage, nice paint, and
>> willing to sell for $1500 or less?  This prospect of $4/ gallon gas has me
>> seeking alternate transportation?
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
>>
>> http://www.mtsqh.com/
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Al Gore's conveinent Cash Cow IPO

[Rich Thomas]

You had better stop blaspheming the high priest of global warming, er, 
climate change.

--R

Donald Snook wrote:
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_855093.htm
>
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Re: [MBZ] Follow-up: growling in 300TD manual gearbox at neutral

[Jeff Zedic]

The repair for those dampeners in the clutch plate is a new clutch
plateoh and while you're there a new disc and bearings since the
whole gearbox must come out.

Might be a learn to live with it deal for now.


Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] REALLY CHEAP 380SL for Jim CathEy

[Jeff Zedic]

Just before I bought my first S class, my 81 300SD, I was looking at a
81 280S with a manual trans in a 126 bodynice!

Used to see loads of them in Paris.

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] The Atlanta car that won't start...

[E M]

If the body was solid and it was local, I'd take it.

Ed
300E

On 06/03/2008, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is this worth $500?
>
> http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/612473
>
> Thanks!
> John
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[MBZ] Follow-up: growling in 300TD manual gearbox at neutral

[Euan]

Hi there colleagues

Long time ago, I posted a message asking what might have suddenly caused 
the harsh growling in my 1985 300TD 5-speed gearbox when the wagon is 
idling at neutral. Wiggling the gear stick in the gates at neutral 
intensifies the growling.

Now I'm reporting on progress.

* My very experienced MB fixer has drained the fluid and found
  nothing metallic in it. That's good. 

* He suggested dismantling the gearbox for a look-see but that was
  going to cost more than the wagon's nominal market value. Besides,
  he didn't think replacement parts would be found easily

Lucky I baulked at this suggestion.

Since then, he's had a 240D manual trans with the same but very much 
more pronounced symptoms. Dismantling the gearbox revealed nothing 
untoward, and the symptoms were still there when the box was put back 
into car. Bet that pleased the 240D owner.

Now the thinking is that the growling is 'referred' noise transmitted 
into the gearbox from clutch plates vibrating after full or partial 
failure of their dampening spring mechanisms (dampening in these old 
diesels being rather rudimentary but a particular necessity).

I don't know too much about this, never having seen a clutch-plate 
assembly in the raw. Doesn't sound quite as expensive to fix.

Do any of you have experience of this enough to comment?

Thanks

Euan
Christchurch
NZ

1985 300TD 5-speed manual
207K mi
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[MBZ] The Atlanta car that won't start...

[John Robbins]

Is this worth $500?

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/612473

Thanks!
John


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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter

[John Robbins]

wilton strickland wrote:
> Has anybody tried banking on the starter with a stick, etc., while turning
> the key?

I'm in Starkville, MS and the car is in Atlanta, GA... I haven't done 
any banging, but not sure of the current owner has.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[E M]

Chevette.  Being tall, you may have to drive it from the back seat, but for
$1500, you may even find a set.

Ed
300E

On 06/03/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wanted:  A very reliable car that gets great fuel mileage, nice paint, and
> willing to sell for $1500 or less?  This prospect of $4/ gallon gas has me
> seeking alternate transportation?
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
> http://www.mtsqh.com/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[Donald Snook]

Alex wrote:

"Maybe you can fight it out with Mitch over the shiny stick Euro 280SE from 
Portland Craigslist that I posted."

That car did have nice paint and it is priced right, but I don't think a 116 
280 is going to get great fuel mileage.  If it is anything like my old Euro 
280E, it will get TERRIBLE mileage.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[LarryT]

you wrote < "Nut" with two Boobs,
> or the "Boob" with two Nuts>>

Now THAT's funny!

How long you been waiting for an opening for that one? ;-)

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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back


> 
> Not much news accept the following:
> 
> The Democratic Party has a crisis of monumental proportions:
> They don't know whether to vote for the 
> "Nut" with two Boobs,
> or the "Boob" with two Nuts.
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[MBZ] OT: Al Gore's conveinent Cash Cow IPO

[Donald Snook]

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc2008035_855093.htm


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Manually engaging starter

[wilton strickland]

Has anybody tried banking on the starter with a stick, etc., while turning
the key?

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] How hard should you drive it?

[LarryT]

Hi Dan,
Those kinds of trips are the best tune ups it will ever get!   WHen I 
rebuilt my 78 240D it was ok around town but the improvements after several 
10 hour round trips at 65-75 made it such a sweet engine - it was like I 
imagine a new one would act like.  It used to struggle to get over 70 now it 
runs to 75 without much thought.

Driving a diesel is the Perfect way to keep them in tip top condition - 
whether a truck or car.

I fear there are going to be lots of MB diesels that are sluggish even 
though fairly new - new owners driving them & taking it easy on them.  They 
really need to have the engine and oil run to normal temps to force out 
impurities - for long periods of time.  I think the best way to drive them 
(when new) is easy for the 1st 1000 miles then foot to the floor - unless 
the Blue Light Specials are out and about.

   They love fast driving!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Weeks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How hard should you drive it?


>I just got back from a 7,400 mile trip in my '82 300SD. Actually two
> back-to-back trips from Des Moines, Iowa, to far downeast Maine. The
> only time I drove below an indicated 80 was on mountainous backroads,
> and there I was thrashing it pretty good, too, with lots of full-
> throttle 3rd-gear climbs to the red line passing people up truck
> lanes and just passing in general. On the highway, I'd regularly
> leave 85 behind and the speedo on the top peg, with the revs still
> climbing. Probably ran mid-nineties for an hour or two at a stretch.
>
> Oil consumption DECREASED on this trip vs. what I'd seen before, fuel
> mileage averaged 26 mpg in spite of some pretty severe head and
> crosswinds, and the thing has NEVER run better.
>
> Now has 307,250 miles on it.
>
> I'd agree with Marshall--the harder you run 'em, the better they like
> it. It's around town short trips that carbon these things up that's
> bad for them.
>
> No smoke, by the way, even wide open, at night, at any rpm.
>
> One caveat--make sure your valves are properly adjusted. I used to
> get smoke at speeds over 85 when wide open, and used to get 25 mpg.
> Adjusting the valves stopped both problems. SInce they tend to go
> tight rather than loose, driving real hard with valves out of spec
> COULD burn a valve.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wanted:  A very reliable car that gets great fuel mileage, nice paint, and 
> willing to sell for $1500 or less?  This prospect of $4/ gallon gas has me 
> seeking alternate transportation?
>
>  Donald H. Snook
>

Maybe you can fight it out with Mitch over the shiny stick Euro 280SE
from Portland Craigslist that I posted.  ;)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] TD acceleration issue

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Reminds me that I need to change mine, the PO used a mix of veggie
>  oil and biodiesel. and I think had crap collecting -- the prefilter
>  is brown and the fuel gauge used to stick at half tank when filled.

Funny, my 300D's fuel gauge reads high (half a tank when empty) UNLESS
I fill up with B100.  Sticky stuff on the sensor wires getting
loosened up by the solvent action of the bio?  Probably, but not worth
it to me to fix at this point since the error is consistent and
therefore work-around-able.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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[MBZ] Anyone got one of these

[Donald Snook]

Wanted:  A very reliable car that gets great fuel mileage, nice paint, and 
willing to sell for $1500 or less?  This prospect of $4/ gallon gas has me 
seeking alternate transportation?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] TD acceleration issue

[LarryT]

Thx Peter - will do that this weekend - 
;-)

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TD acceleration issue


> The pre-filter strains out big stuff, like flakes of algae (you can  
> see the holes in it, after all), so it's possible for the prefilter  
> to stay clean and the main filter to clog, although usually they both  
> get crudded up.
> 
> Reminds me that I need to change mine, the PO used a mix of veggie  
> oil and biodiesel. and I think had crap collecting -- the prefilter  
> is brown and the fuel gauge used to stick at half tank when filled.   
> I drive it MUCH more than he did, and I thing it's time, performance  
> ain't what it used to be.
> 
> A side not, I switched to Mobil 1 and it quit using oil.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small and doesn't have Yank style gizmos

[Hendrik & Fay]

Where lucky that the MB's shipped out here had an engine, let alone 
fancy gizmos like that.
As an example all Oz delivered 123's had manual climate controls, don't 
think it was even an option to have auto climate.
Anyway the seating position in the 124 is pretty good, I wouldn't mind 
having power seats with memory feature because I share the car with the 
missus. Alright for her, she jumps in and moves the seat forward, I have 
to either reach in and move the seat or squeeze in and then adjust the seat.
Wonder how hard it is to retrofit electric seats into a 124?

Hendrik
always whining about something

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Feel along the side of the steering column for a switch. Move it
> towards you to telescope the wheel to you, and away to move it away.
>
> All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't have
> much in the way of power toys then you may not have this handy
> feature.
>
> It was good for me on long trips to stretch out but still reach the
> wheel comfortably.
>
> Zedic
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD Shifting questions

[LarryT]

The small bushing on the end of (78 240D)my control rod broke and fell 
away - caused erratic shifting -- 

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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 1983 300SD Shifting questions


> Not to split hairs, but your '78 300CD didn't have a vacuum modulator. 
> Non-turbo diesels up to 1979 used a control rod instead.
>
> Having had three cars with the control rods and one with vacuum, I can 
> tell you that I prefer the control rod for adjustability. That having been 
> said, the rod setting is VERY sensitive to throttle linkage adjustments (a 
> couple of mm in either direction has a major effect on behaviour). I would 
> presume that the vacuum-equipped cars are equally sensitive to vacuum 
> leaks.
>
> Don't forget to check the plastic fingers in the control box on top of the 
> valve cover. They are about a dollar, p/n 123 304 02 20. Check the tranny 
> adjustment FAQ on mbz.org, located here 
> http://www.mbz.org/articles/transmission/
> D.
>
> Kevin Kraly wrote:
>>
>>Here's a question I'm sure someone could answer or at least point me in 
>>the
>>right direction.  This wonderful 300sD of mine has been shifting 
>>abnormally
>>since I've owned the car.  The 1-2 shift doesn't happen until about 
>>2200RPM
>>but will wait until 3500 RPM at 90% throttle or better.  When driving with 
>>a
>>light foot (2200RPM engagement), 2nd gear comes in VERY HARD, but it's
>>better at full throttle.  2-3 seems relatively normal, but the3-4 shift
>>occurs either at near redline or when letting off the pedal at any speed 
>>in
>>3rd.  My '78 300CD (the only vacuum modulated car I've owned that actually
>>shifted normally) would go through the gears at any throttle and would 
>>only
>>shift at the redline during WOT acceleration runs.  Any pointers on this
>>would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>>Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>>1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
>>
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Re: [MBZ] WAS How hard should you drive it? NOW new oil thread!

[Peter T . Arnold]

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:25:25 -0600, you wrote:

>OK, so here we go again. I have been meaning to ask this anyway so here goes.
>
>Mobil 1 is the liquid of choice right?
>
>So, what particular vintage is required for the old 115 300D? I have been 
>using Shell Rotella 15-40 if my memory is
>right (about the viscosity #'s)
>The Mobil 1 I see on the shelves around here does not say anything about 
>putting it in a Diesel.
>Is any Mobil 1 acceptable for the old Diesel engine so long as I stay with the 
>higher viscosity. I think I saw
>either 10-50 or maybe 15 or 20-50 on the shelf last weekend but did not buy it 
>then. Need to fill the engine this
>spring as it is currently sitting empty. Drained after it got cold last fall 
>and the oil was such a mess I just let
>it sit and will deal with it before starting this spring.
>
>Randy in Winnipeg where it was - 32 C this morning and predicted to be similar 
>tonight
>

I hear a celestial voice, "Mobile1 or Delvac1,  5w40 CI-4 is good for
all M/B diesels, change your fuses..."

--

Regards,

Peter T. Arnold

2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems!
1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!

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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[Hendrik & Fay]

Apparently the republican presidential nomination was bought by a 
scotsman, who promises hagis and bagpipe lessons for all.

Hendrik

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not much news accept the following:
>
> The Democratic Party has a crisis of monumental proportions:
>  They don't know whether to vote for the 
> "Nut" with two Boobs,
>  or the "Boob" with two Nuts.
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] WAS How hard should you drive it? NOW new oil thread!

[Mitch Haley]

R A Bennell wrote:
> 
> 
> So, what particular vintage is required for the old 115 300D? 

There should be a 5w40 that's highly diesel rated.

Down here, our choices are 15w50 gasser oil which carries
a lightweight diesel rating (API class CF I believe), and
the Delvac 1 5w40 aka Mobil 1 turbo diesel truck or some such. 

If your oil carries the same API ratings we use, anything CF, CH, CI
would be fine if it's reasonably thick. Don't go sticking 0w20 in
an old Benz, even in winter. Your 10-50 probably pours a bit better
than our 15-50. That 5w40 CI-4 rated stuff we get would be ideal
year round. At our local Walmart, it was about $22 for 5 us quarts
of the 15w50 or $21 for 4 qts of 5w40, so I buy the 15w50 for my
300sd and my 190e, although the 5w40 would probably be slightly better
in both cars. 
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small

[John Robbins]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't have
> much in the way of power toys then you may not have this handy
> feature.

My 92 2.5T doesn't for some strange reason.  It has the optional (for 
that year I think) passenger airbag though.

Haven't driven my TD enough to see how nice telescoping steering would 
be...

John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 240-mpg wooden car

[Rich Thomas]

Here's a bunch of pics of the wooden truck

http://wwch.org/MonProj/YR07/Feb07/Feb07ProjTruck.htm

--R

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small

[Jeff Zedic]

Feel along the side of the steering column for a switch. Move it
towards you to telescope the wheel to you, and away to move it away.

All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't have
much in the way of power toys then you may not have this handy
feature.

It was good for me on long trips to stretch out but still reach the
wheel comfortably.

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 istoo small

[Dave H...]

My 92 TE does and my 87 300SDL, I use to have, did.


Dave H...

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Not that I know of.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Jeff Zedic wrote:
>> Hendrik,
>>
>> Doesn't your 124 TE have telescoping steering? My 87 124.193 did.
>>
>> ZEdic
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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil and the 201 is too small

[Hendrik & Fay]

Not that I know of.

Hendrik

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Hendrik,
>
> Doesn't your 124 TE have telescoping steering? My 87 124.193 did.
>
> ZEdic
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Re: [MBZ] WAS How hard should you drive it? NOW new oil thread!

[R A Bennell]

OK, so here we go again. I have been meaning to ask this anyway so here goes.

Mobil 1 is the liquid of choice right?

So, what particular vintage is required for the old 115 300D? I have been using 
Shell Rotella 15-40 if my memory is
right (about the viscosity #'s)
The Mobil 1 I see on the shelves around here does not say anything about 
putting it in a Diesel.
Is any Mobil 1 acceptable for the old Diesel engine so long as I stay with the 
higher viscosity. I think I saw
either 10-50 or maybe 15 or 20-50 on the shelf last weekend but did not buy it 
then. Need to fill the engine this
spring as it is currently sitting empty. Drained after it got cold last fall 
and the oil was such a mess I just let
it sit and will deal with it before starting this spring.

Randy in Winnipeg where it was - 32 C this morning and predicted to be similar 
tonight

-Original Message-

Or maybe cars running on 60's vintage motor oil?
Remember when people used cars (with big block engines) to tow 20' travel
trailers? Remember how they couldn't restart the next morning because the
motor oil was solid? I remember a mechanic (Smokey Yunick?) writing about
removing the oil pans to cut the oil out of them. Said you could roll it
into a ball and bounce it off the wall.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 240-mpg wooden car

[Mitch Haley]

Correction, 240mph wooden car. Only 20mpg.
A fellow near me fixed a rusted out X-1/9 (aren't all Fiats rust-buckets?)
by building a wood strip replacement body for it about 25 years ago. He
claimed it made the car 400lb lighter. Absolutely beautiful, like a well
made strip construction canoe. Clear finish so you could see the wood.

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[MBZ] O/T Greatest Prank

[Peter T . Arnold]

  
 
This is a prank on a "grand" scale. Over 200 people gathered at Grand
Central Station in New York to pull off a 'frozen in place' act. The
onlooking travelers who weren't part of the act were mystified as to
what was going on.
 
Click on link below


Click Here: Check out "Frozen in Grand Central Station - Video"
 
 

--

Regards,

Peter T. Arnold

2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems!
1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!

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Re: [MBZ] another sub kilobuc Mercedees

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AMG big bore kit. ;-)
>

That would explain why the seller says it needs a new engine.  Too
many stoplight drag races with Type 2 VWs and slant-six Mopars.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 240-mpg wooden car

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3ykm63
> 
> "The world's first wooden sports car"?  I bet a lot of Morgan owners
> would drop their monocles over that one.

Not to mention MG and Marcos owners. Oh, forget the Marcos part, they only
had wooden frames, and they started using steel frames in '69. MG got rid
of their ash chassis tub in the 1950's. 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.saxby/marcos/models.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter

[John Robbins]

wilton strickland wrote:
> I missed symptoms.  What does it do now - automatically, that is?

Original Post: I'm looking at a car in Atlanta that one day just decided
it didn't want to start.  When the key is turned nothing happens, no
noises, etc.  The owner tried starting it in neutral, and has cranked 
the engine over by hand.

Now:  I'm going to ask the guy to see if the lights dim when he tries to 
start it.  If they don't the starter is probably not the problem and 
'jumping' the starter might work.

John





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Re: [MBZ] i'm back

[Mitch Haley]

Sunil Hari wrote:
> 
> I was in india for the last month and was unsubscribed.  what'd I miss?

K'leb lost a job, I bought a wireless modem, and Kevin got his sight back. 
(or at least two of those, I forget which ones)

Oh, and somebody listed a nice shiny W116 with stick shift and euro bumpers/
headlights/climate control on craigslist for $600. Wanna go to Oregon and
fetch it for me?

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If you get ill {Cold/Flu/etc), it takes longer to recover.

My first job when I was 18 was in a factory, 11pm-7am, 7 days a week. 
One morning they held us until 7:20am for a safety meeting. Ironically,
I fell asleep on the way home about five times that morning, nearly
killed myself. After about five weeks of this, I missed a day and a
half with an ear infection and 102 fever and they fired me.
(they only wanted to give me a new set of disposable earplugs once a
week, wonder if that had anything to do with my ear infection, but
I think my body was generally stressed by the hours and no days off)

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Re: [MBZ] Compu query

[Peter Frederick]

Check for spyware.

Not necessarily gonna have Dell's name on it, eBay never does that to  
me.  You may want to report to eBay, too, as there is a chance  
they've been infected with something, too.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] How hard should you drive it?

[Mitch Haley]

R A Bennell wrote:
> 
> Are you sure that advice applies to the older non turbo engines? My 
> recollection was that the advice to not drive
> it flat out related to the older 60's and early to mid 70's models.

Or maybe cars running on 60's vintage motor oil?
Remember when people used cars (with big block engines) to tow 20' travel
trailers? Remember how they couldn't restart the next morning because the
motor oil was solid? I remember a mechanic (Smokey Yunick?) writing about
removing the oil pans to cut the oil out of them. Said you could roll it
into a ball and bounce it off the wall.

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Re: [MBZ] another sub kilobuc Mercedees

[E M]

AMG big bore kit. ;-)

Ed
300E

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>
> Is it a Euro, or does he mean 240D?
>
> It's a 240D most likely.  Maybe, it's a Dieselized 280E :D.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] another sub kilobuc Mercedees

[Kevin Kraly]

Is it a Euro, or does he mean 240D?

It's a 240D most likely.  Maybe, it's a Dieselized 280E :D.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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[MBZ] Compu query

[Glenn Brown]

Recently when ever I go to Ebay and just let things sit (i.e., without
clicking on something within Ebay for maybe 20-25 sec.), the bloody thing
goes to the following Dell site:
http://www.google.com/hws/dell-usuk/afe?hl=en&channel=us&s=http://ad.yieldmanager.com/st?ad_type=iframe&ad_size=180x150&site=136716§ion_code=12285372&cb=1204835155815519&ycg=1&yyob=65&pub_redirect_unencoded=1&pub_redirect=http://pn1.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12vqt3gdu/M=621216.12285372.12687411.8830313/D=eb_instru/S=97553761:REC/Y=EBAY_US/E=ebay:/EXP=1204842355/A=4977025/R=0/
*

I've done a search and removed everything I thought safe to remove which had
anything to do with Dell to no avail.  Anybody got any bright ideas as to
what's wrong and how to correct it?  TIA.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] another sub kilobuc Mercedees

[wilton strickland]

280D, really?  Is it a Euro, or does he mean 240D?

Wilton

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[MBZ] Manually engaging starter

[wilton strickland]

I missed symptoms.  What does it do now - automatically, that is?

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Peter Frederick]

Probably only moderately nuts if you don't swing shifts.  Hard to  
stay in touch with people, though, as you are sleeping when they are up.

Checking references can mean lots of things, but the simple answer is  
they are wanting to ensure they don't get an oddball employee, so  
yes, they are interested.

Peter
On Mar 6, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

>I interviewed for a job today in the aviation field that would be
> graveyard, 12 hour shifts.  Im not sure if I want to take if if  
> offered
> though.  Anybody here work this sort of shift?  How does it work  
> out for
> you?  Im a little leary of it.  I heard thru the grapevine that  
> somebody
> called my former boss at my previous job checking my references.  I
> assume thats a good sign?  Sorry, been a LONG time since I have  
> been on
> a job hunt.
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>   91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0  
> Euro,
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Re: [MBZ] W108/M117 ignition

[Peter Frederick]

Clean the trigger points.  If they persistently foul, you have a worn  
bushing in the distributor, and it's a real pain to fix.  Check to  
make sure the mechanical advance works, and free it up if it's stuck.

Keep the retard diaphram, it's used to bump the idle up with the AC   
on, and won't cause any trouble otherwise.

Peter


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[MBZ] another sub kilobuck Mercedes on CL

[Kevin Kraly]

Hows 'bout this 280D fixer upper?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/597679315.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter on W116 300SD

[Royce Engler]

Peter said

You can "jump" it at the wire terminals over on the passenger side
on a W123, but I've never done it.

When I had my 300TD and before that the 240D, I hard wired in a remote start
switch to those wire terminals.  Worked like a champ.

Royce


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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD Shifting questions

[Kevin Kraly]

your '78 300CD didn't have a vacuum modulator.

Actually, it did.  The PO had the engine and transmission replaced with one 
from a newer car.  It also had the benefit of pencil plugs.  I know what you 
mean regarding the adjustability of the control rod vs the vacuum 
modulation.  My second old clunker '77 300D had shifting problems until I 
found the sweet spot in the adjustment that suddenly made things perfect.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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[MBZ] OT: 240-mpg wooden car

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://tinyurl.com/3ykm63

"The world's first wooden sports car"?  I bet a lot of Morgan owners
would drop their monocles over that one.

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[pm7088]

Not much news accept the following:

The Democratic Party has a crisis of monumental proportions:
 They don't know whether to vote for the 
"Nut" with two Boobs,
 or the "Boob" with two Nuts.
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[John Robbins]

Rich Thomas wrote:
> You missed some great gun recommendations, and discussions of politics.  
> Someone mentioned something about a Mercedes-Benz car, I think, about 3 
> weeks ago.  No wait, that was about a Toyota...

You forgot about the chickens!! ;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[Rich Thomas]

You missed some great gun recommendations, and discussions of politics.  
Someone mentioned something about a Mercedes-Benz car, I think, about 3 
weeks ago.  No wait, that was about a Toyota...

--R

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[MBZ] Dash Wood 1985 300SD

[George Larribeau]

After my adventure into the HVAC vacuum actuators in my car I decided to 
address the trim wood. It was delaminating from the metal piece glued in it's 
center. I have re-glued it with liquid nails and used a 'clamp kit' from harbor 
freight. Have more work to do on it but it looks like it will turn out OK. The 
little rubber shield around the ignition lock was cracking off and I plan to 
use silicon glue and sealer on it. Will know later how this works out .


George Larribeau
Dallas Texas
 
 
1985 300SD 207K
1987 HD FLHTC 90K, Bent &2 I
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
 Ugly,but runs)
 
 
1993 BMW 323i  125K (Wife's Car)
1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket, Getting Better)
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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[Gary Hurst]

our beloved rikki tikki did that once.  didn't work out well at all

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> Didn't bring a wife back, did you?
>
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[MBZ] I'm back

[wilton strickland]

Didn't bring a wife back, did you?

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] i'm back

[Gary Hurst]

tiger attacks.  elephants.  monsoons.  the usual stuff here.

and you?

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[MBZ] i'm back

[Sunil Hari]

I was in india for the last month and was unsubscribed.  what'd I miss?

BTW - Kerala is highly recommended for a vacation spot.

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Re: [MBZ] OT, job hunt

[pm7088]

Kaleb,
I worked that shift for many years.
The trick I found was that I had to disaplan my body (And my family & friends) 
that I was going to be unconsious between 10:00am and 4:00pm.
Anyone who disrespected that was at risk of getting a 2:00am phone call!

If you get ill {Cold/Flu/etc), it takes longer to recover.

Thanksgiving sucks, imagine eating a big dinner in the middle of your sleep 
time.

Last, some folks (Maybe 20%) just cannot adapt.  Don't fight it.

I really liked it, no bosses around (I was a foreman), lots of prime time when 
off, extra pay (20% in my case).

Pete Arnold

-- Original message -- 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> I interviewed for a job today in the aviation field that would be 
> graveyard, 12 hour shifts. Im not sure if I want to take if if offered 
> though. Anybody here work this sort of shift? How does it work out for 
> you? Im a little leary of it. I heard thru the grapevine that somebody 
> called my former boss at my previous job checking my references. I 
> assume thats a good sign? Sorry, been a LONG time since I have been on 
> a job hunt. 
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 
> 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 
> 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
> 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 
> 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 
> http://www.okiebenz.com 
> 
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[MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo parts car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1990-300DT-Turbo-Disel-4D-Sedan-Damaged-Front_W0QQitemZ160215483342QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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[MBZ] OT, job hunt

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

   I interviewed for a job today in the aviation field that would be
graveyard, 12 hour shifts.  Im not sure if I want to take if if offered
though.  Anybody here work this sort of shift?  How does it work out for 
you?  Im a little leary of it.  I heard thru the grapevine that somebody 
called my former boss at my previous job checking my references.  I 
assume thats a good sign?  Sorry, been a LONG time since I have been on 
a job hunt.
-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD Shifting questions

[jfreezn]

Kevin,

Marshall would remind us all that the fuel, boost, and vacuum,?systems must be 
"right" before ANY linkage adjustments are made.?? This because wider throttle 
openings would be necessary if the engine is not producing the correct power.

A 0 to 60 time under 15 seconds would be a good starting point.

Jim in Phoenix








Thanks, Jim.  That's what I thought, and the throttle linkage setup sounds 
like the most sensible place to start.  I think that this tranny (722.3xx?) 
also has a control cable for shift timing.  Now that spring is on its way, 
it'll be much more pleasant to crawl under there and "see" what's up.





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From: Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 2:03 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD Shifting questions



Thanks, Jim.  That's what I thought, and the throttle linkage setup sounds 
like the most sensible place to start.  I think that this tranny (722.3xx?) 
also has a control cable for shift timing.  Now that spring is on its way, 
it'll be much more pleasant to crawl under there and "see" what's up.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] How hard should you drive it?

[R A Bennell]

Are you sure that advice applies to the older non turbo engines? My 
recollection was that the advice to not drive
it flat out related to the older 60's and early to mid 70's models.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] How hard should you drive it?


I just got back from a 7,400 mile trip in my '82 300SD. Actually two
back-to-back trips from Des Moines, Iowa, to far downeast Maine. The
only time I drove below an indicated 80 was on mountainous backroads,
and there I was thrashing it pretty good, too, with lots of full-
throttle 3rd-gear climbs to the red line passing people up truck
lanes and just passing in general. On the highway, I'd regularly
leave 85 behind and the speedo on the top peg, with the revs still
climbing. Probably ran mid-nineties for an hour or two at a stretch.

Oil consumption DECREASED on this trip vs. what I'd seen before, fuel
mileage averaged 26 mpg in spite of some pretty severe head and
crosswinds, and the thing has NEVER run better.

Now has 307,250 miles on it.

I'd agree with Marshall--the harder you run 'em, the better they like
it. It's around town short trips that carbon these things up that's
bad for them.

No smoke, by the way, even wide open, at night, at any rpm.

One caveat--make sure your valves are properly adjusted. I used to
get smoke at speeds over 85 when wide open, and used to get 25 mpg.
Adjusting the valves stopped both problems. SInce they tend to go
tight rather than loose, driving real hard with valves out of spec
COULD burn a valve.

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter on W116 300SD

[pm7088]

My histroy says,

Lights stay bright = Eledctrical problem before the starter windings.

Lights go very dim = Bad Connection, Starter is cooked, MOTOR IS SIEZED.

Look before you jump...

Pete

-- Original message -- 
From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Peter Frederick wrote: 
> > Find out what's wrong -- if the starter is locked up, jumpering it 
> > won't help! 
> 
> I don't think the guy is willing to diagnose it much. If the starter 
> was locked up, when going to start the car any lights that are on would 
> dim correct? If it is an electrical problem elsewhere nothing would 
> happen? That should be a pretty quick and straightforward test. 
> 
> > You short between the small wire and battery connection on the 
> > solenoid. Not too bad on a NA 61x, but hard to reach on the turbo 
> > models and impossible on a 60x. the starter it buried. 
> > 
> > You can "jump" it at the wire terminals over on the passenger side on 
> > a W123, but I've never done it. 
> 
> Good info :) I might be able to look at my SD and see if I can't rig 
> something for that terminal block (I think its under the battery). 
> 
> > You have a tow hook on the rear somewhere on the W124. 
> 
> Hooray! :) I was really not looking forward to driving my pickup (waaay 
> to small to tow a car) for 10 hours in a day. Much more comfy and 
> cheaper to take the 2.5T 
> 
> Thanks for the info! 
> John 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter on W116 300SD

[John Robbins]

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Find out what's wrong -- if the starter is locked up, jumpering it  
> won't help!

I don't think the guy is willing to diagnose it much.  If the starter 
was locked up, when going to start the car any lights that are on would 
dim correct?  If it is an electrical problem elsewhere nothing would 
happen?  That should be a pretty quick and straightforward test.

> You short between the small wire and battery connection on the  
> solenoid.  Not too bad on a NA 61x, but hard to reach on the turbo  
> models and impossible on a 60x. the starter it buried.
> 
> You can "jump" it at the wire terminals over on the passenger side on  
> a W123, but I've never done it.

Good info :) I might be able to look at my SD and see if I can't rig 
something for that terminal block (I think its under the battery).

> You have a tow hook on the rear somewhere on the W124.

Hooray! :)  I was really not looking forward to driving my pickup (waaay 
to small to tow a car) for 10 hours in a day.  Much more comfy and 
cheaper to take the 2.5T

Thanks for the info!
John


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Re: [MBZ] Manually engaging starter on W116 300SD

[Peter Frederick]

Find out what's wrong -- if the starter is locked up, jumpering it  
won't help!

You short between the small wire and battery connection on the  
solenoid.  Not too bad on a NA 61x, but hard to reach on the turbo  
models and impossible on a 60x. the starter it buried.

You can "jump" it at the wire terminals over on the passenger side on  
a W123, but I've never done it.

You have a tow hook on the rear somewhere on the W124.

Peter


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[MBZ] Manually engaging starter on W116 300SD

[John Robbins]

I'm looking at a car in Atlanta that one day just decided it didn't want 
to start.  When the key is turned nothing happens, no noises, etc.  The 
owner tried starting it in neutral, and has cranked the engine over by 
hand.  What do you guys think is the problem?

If I could make arrangements for a trailer I wouldn't be asking this, 
but I can't find someone with a truck that can pull a car trailer.  I'm 
willing to take a chance that I can start it by either pull starting it 
or manually 'jumping' the starter.  I know that there is a way to engage 
the starter by fiddling under the hood, but I'm not sure what needs to 
be done.  I believe it involves the terminal block underneath the 
battery (on the W116 at least).  Do I just need to apply 12V to the 
solenoid on the starter?  How much current does it need to handle (ie, 
how big of a wire)?

Is there a place on the rear of my W124 where I can safely attach a tow 
strap?  Just for pull starting of course!

Thanks!
John




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Re: [MBZ] REALLY CHEAP 380SL for Jim CathEy

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>  > http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/587926303.html
>  >  Double bleah.
>
>  Ooh, me wants!
>  4sp euro 280SE that hasn't been federalized! And the seats are good.
>  I'd part out my 300SD for that car, or maybe go to the effort of
>  putting the gas engine in the 300SD. Manual CC beats a car with a
>  stuck CC servo (like my 300SD). I'll give you $500 to drive it to
>  Michigan for me.
>

Ha!  You mean you'll give me $1100 for it delivered?  Tempting.

I'm going to go look at it if it hasn't sold by Saturday.  Will give a report.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD Shifting questions

[E M]

All the recent talk of auto transmissions.  I must admit, I know very little
about them.  Do any of the vacuum issues apply to the transmissions used in
the W124 gassers?  Anyone care to give me a quick rundown on how they
shift?  Thanks

Ed
300E

On 06/03/2008, David Bruckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not to split hairs, but your '78 300CD didn't have a vacuum modulator.
> Non-turbo diesels up to 1979 used a control rod instead.
>
> Having had three cars with the control rods and one with vacuum, I can
> tell you that I prefer the control rod for adjustability. That having been
> said, the rod setting is VERY sensitive to throttle linkage adjustments (a
> couple of mm in either direction has a major effect on behaviour). I would
> presume that the vacuum-equipped cars are equally sensitive to vacuum leaks.
>
> Don't forget to check the plastic fingers in the control box on top of the
> valve cover. They are about a dollar, p/n 123 304 02 20. Check the tranny
> adjustment FAQ on mbz.org, located here
> http://www.mbz.org/articles/transmission/
> D.
>
> Kevin Kraly wrote:
> >
> >Here's a question I'm sure someone could answer or at least point me in
> the
> >right direction.  This wonderful 300sD of mine has been shifting
> abnormally
> >since I've owned the car.  The 1-2 shift doesn't happen until about
> 2200RPM
> >but will wait until 3500 RPM at 90% throttle or better.  When driving
> with a
> >light foot (2200RPM engagement), 2nd gear comes in VERY HARD, but it's
> >better at full throttle.  2-3 seems relatively normal, but the3-4 shift
> >occurs either at near redline or when letting off the pedal at any speed
> in
> >3rd.  My '78 300CD (the only vacuum modulated car I've owned that
> actually
> >shifted normally) would go through the gears at any throttle and would
> only
> >shift at the redline during WOT acceleration runs.  Any pointers on this
> >would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> >Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> >1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] How hard should you drive it?

[Dan Weeks]

I just got back from a 7,400 mile trip in my '82 300SD. Actually two  
back-to-back trips from Des Moines, Iowa, to far downeast Maine. The  
only time I drove below an indicated 80 was on mountainous backroads,  
and there I was thrashing it pretty good, too, with lots of full- 
throttle 3rd-gear climbs to the red line passing people up truck  
lanes and just passing in general. On the highway, I'd regularly  
leave 85 behind and the speedo on the top peg, with the revs still  
climbing. Probably ran mid-nineties for an hour or two at a stretch.

Oil consumption DECREASED on this trip vs. what I'd seen before, fuel  
mileage averaged 26 mpg in spite of some pretty severe head and  
crosswinds, and the thing has NEVER run better.

Now has 307,250 miles on it.

I'd agree with Marshall--the harder you run 'em, the better they like  
it. It's around town short trips that carbon these things up that's  
bad for them.

No smoke, by the way, even wide open, at night, at any rpm.

One caveat--make sure your valves are properly adjusted. I used to  
get smoke at speeds over 85 when wide open, and used to get 25 mpg.  
Adjusting the valves stopped both problems. SInce they tend to go  
tight rather than loose, driving real hard with valves out of spec  
COULD burn a valve.

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> MB never made a turbo diesel with a manual trans in cars.

Are you sure?
Let's ask Zedic. Are there any 220CDIs running around UK with stick shift?

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Re: [MBZ] TD acceleration issue

[Jim Cathey]

> I will check fuel filters, though I wonder why it will rev fine in 1st
> and 2nd but chokes in 3rd?

Takes more fuel.  More load that is, it's hard to get full load
on the vehicle in 1 or 2.  Albatross acted fine in 1st, but 2+
was a total dog.  (Throttle linkage problems.)

-- Jim


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[MBZ] OT: VW Diesel Hybrid

[George Larribeau]

Wired has some photos of the VW Golf Diesel Hybrid shown at the Geneva Motor 
Show.

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/03/vws-golf-diesel.html

Personally it is not that I hate the Hybrid however it is a bit to complicated 
for me (2 power plants)
But if this is to be, a Diesel just makes sense ...


George Larribeau
Dallas Texas
 
 
1985 300SD 207K
1987 HD FLHTC 90K, Bent &2 I
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
 Ugly,but runs)
 
 
1993 BMW 323i  125K (Wife's Car)
1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket, Getting Better)
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