Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

TE, Your underlying assumption is that the scumbags at gitmo are not 
treated well enough.  Show the evidence.  and don't repeat 
unsubstantiated blog stories.  They have more comforts at Gitmo than 
most of them have ever had in their life.  The guys who are 
mistreated are the GIs who have to guard the scumbags.  Have you ever 
talked to any of the poor guys that have to guard these scum?  The 
scum there are treated far better than they deserve.  They think we 
are ridiculous for treating them so well.

The prisoners in our state pen had way more comforts when I was 
growing up than I did.  Color tvs, at a time when few households had 
color.  Cable tv when few households had cable.  not allowed to work 
to repay their victims, or (perish the thought) pay for their 
keep.  I had to work my butt off for no pay.  Few of the families I 
knew had it so plush as the prisoners.

At 10:11 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>So basically you want to throw out the Geneva Convention on some BS
>technicality? Unfortunately, when you have such a broadly defined war aka
>War on Terror, the enemy is not a single country, it's whoever the hell you
>want it to be.
>
>The Geneva Convention defines the rules of war. Just because the "enemy"
>doesn't represent a sovereign nation or wear its uniform, does not mean the
>rules of war do not apply.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:03 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
>The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or
>are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it
>apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing
>themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on
>video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess
>you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits
>of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too.
>
>Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really
>angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that
>brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who
>killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a
>Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach
>(the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun
>and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister
>(she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her
>cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly
>dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds
>are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such
>activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.
>I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that
>should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC
>of course.
>
>But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in
>effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have
>some conversations and negotiations and such.
>
>--R
>
>TE wrote:
> > And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> > McBush?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >
> > The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try
> > reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were
> > there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to
> > foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially
> > does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT
> > apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
>battlefield.
> >
> > Almost all of what the federal government does is
> > unconstitutional!  Read the document!
> >
> > At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> just look at McCain's opinion of
> >> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
> >>
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL blower fuse

[Peter Frederick]

You probably need to replace the blower motor too -- when they start  
to pull too much juice it's usually because they not longer turn  
freely on the bearings.

I've got two to replace soon, as the used units weren't much better  
than the ones that locked up.

Peter

On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

> Wife told me coupla hours ago that blower fuse in SDL blew today,  
> i. e.,
> blower suddenly quit.  Few minutes ago I went out to check it,  
> install new
> fusible link, etc.  First glance found one end of the holder  
> melted, fuse
> mounting screw and end of wire on one side "cooked."  Finally got
> melted/cooked top off the box and found about 1/3 of bottom of the  
> box and
> most of one end of the box melted away, leaving fuse mounting screw  
> and end
> of wire on that side just hanging there in space.  I thought,  
> "Well, I'll
> clean it up and mount a new fuse to the still secure screw on one  
> side and
> to the "floating" screw on the other side and try to see what else  
> there
> is."  'Went to driver's door and retrieved an envelope containing a  
> "new"
> fusible link from the black plastic MB records pouch.  'Opened the  
> envelope,
> and guess what??!!  The "new", never-used fusible link has  
> melted!!  'Really
> confusing at first to open the envelope expecting to see the 30 amp  
> fusible
> link I put in it 2 or 3 years ago and see instead a thin squiggly  
> line of
> something a little over an inch long with strange little discs at  
> each end.
> 'Took a moment to realize the "new" fuse had melted there inside  
> the car.
> Any more spare ones I get henceforth will be kept in the house!
>
> Rusty, do you have a blower fusible link and HOLDER for a 91  
> 350SDL?  'Think
> I got this blown fuse and the spare one from ya 2 or 3 years ago.   
> How 'bout
> a return on the un-used one? Grin-Grin.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D in Atlanta.

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Transmission shifted perfectly.

If you are used to a 123 diesel and judged the transmission
accordingly then I bet it shifted quite a bit harder than "perfectly".
 I can't imagine an '87 300D in the mechanically neglected condition
you describe having a properly operating vacuum system, which is a
prerequisite for the transmission to work right.

> Drivers seat: Needs noodling and the lumbar support was all the way out.
> Didn't know how to adjust.

Lumbar support?  Really?  An '87 with the orthopedic seats would have
been a special order and a rare bird indeed.

> I am not a big fan of the 124/201 series cars. To small for my comfort,
> I am used to W123 headroom (I'm 6/2).

Did you not have the seat all the way down?  124s have more headroom
than 123s and 126s, modulo sunroof.

Sounds like a good parts car for someone with a cosmetically nice
gasser 124 with blown engine!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL blower fuse

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:51:48 -0600, Craig wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:08:59 -0400 "Wilton Strickland"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 'Opened the envelope, and guess what??!!  The "new",
> > never-used fusible link has melted!!  'Really confusing at
> > first to open the envelope expecting to see the 30 amp
> > fusible link I put in it 2 or 3 years ago and see instead a
> > thin squiggly line of something a little over an inch long
> > with strange little discs at each end. 'Took a moment to
> > realize the "new" fuse had melted there inside the car. Any
> > more spare ones I get henceforth will be kept in the house!
> 
> But if a fusible link cannot stand the temperatures in the
> glove box, how in the world would it ever stand the
> temperatures under the hood?

It's because the one in the glove box didn't have any electrons
flowing through it to carry the heat away. In a circuit under
the hood there would be plenty of fresh electrons flowing
through it to the motor where there is plenty of air flow to
takeover for the electrons it transporting the heat.

Besides, under the hood it would be closer to the Mobil 1 oil.
We all know that Mobil 1 will solve all automotive problems.

*chuckle* And it's not even moose day - what's happening to me!

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL blower fuse

[Wilton Strickland]

'Zackly my question, Craig!

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Craig McCluskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL blower fuse


> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:08:59 -0400 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > 'Opened the envelope, and guess what??!!  The "new", never-used fusible
> > link has melted!!  'Really confusing at first to open the envelope
> > expecting to see the 30 amp fusible link I put in it 2 or 3 years ago
> > and see instead a thin squiggly line of something a little over an inch
> > long with strange little discs at each end. 'Took a moment to realize
> > the "new" fuse had melted there inside the car. Any more spare ones I
> > get henceforth will be kept in the house!
>
> But if a fusible link cannot stand the temperatures in the glove box, how
> in the world would it ever stand the temperatures under the hood?
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wonko the Sane]

Just curious, Loren -- how many years did you spend in the military? You
seem to be really big on preserving our freedoms and the perceived
traditional American way of life, at any cost or philosophical compromise. I
am confident that you were willing to invest at least four years of your
life defending same by serving your country in uniform.

I would also question the phrase "historically illiterate Obama lovers." Why
do you assume that anyone who prefers Obama to McCain might not be educated
-- or at least well read -- in the field of history and, perhaps equally
important, political science?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> You historically illiterate Obama lovers ought to be given your
> choice of spending a one year vacation in:
> 1.  Getting the same treatment in the Hanoi hilton that John McCain
> endured.
> 2.  Spending a year in captivity in Lebanon with the same hospitality
> that the 2 israelis who were just returned by Hezbolla got
> 3.  Spending a year as a Japanese prisoner in Truk Atoll in the year
> before it was liberated.
> 4.  Spending a year as a jew in your choice of Nazi  concentration
> camps  (Oh wait, that never happened, did it!  So you can't go there!)
>
> --
LT Don
http://don.homelinux.net/~don/

apt-get update
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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[Loren Faeth]

I'll do that myself, but the chain is no big deal.  I already bought 
it from Rusty, so I may as well install it.


At 10:05 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>Have him measure the stretch?  Should tell you whether it's the chain
>or the tensioner.
>
>On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 180k or so.  I have not checked it.  Indy says there is slap and it
> > should have a chain & tensioner.  no big deal, I can roll it in and
> > put in a tensioner.  In the old days with the master link, boom,
> > done.  No problemo.  I have never purchased one of the tools, and
> > really don't want to own one.  I'd probably only use it once.  It may
> > only need a tensioner, or maybe not even that, but I do think he
> > knows chain slap when he hears it.
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

Yeah, the geneva Convention really protected McCain didn't it.

Right!  I have some beach property in Goffs, CA You'd love to buy!

And before you jump to the conclusion that I like McCain, you are 
wrong.  I think he lost his mind in the Hanoi Hilton, and has never 
had it since.

You historically illiterate Obama lovers ought to be given your 
choice of spending a one year vacation in:
1.  Getting the same treatment in the Hanoi hilton that John McCain endured.
2.  Spending a year in captivity in Lebanon with the same hospitality 
that the 2 israelis who were just returned by Hezbolla got
3.  Spending a year as a Japanese prisoner in Truk Atoll in the year 
before it was liberated.
4.  Spending a year as a jew in your choice of Nazi  concentration 
camps  (Oh wait, that never happened, did it!  So you can't go there!)

After that, come back and tell be about club gitmo.  Until then shut 
your ignorant yaps.

Yeah, the geneva Convention really protected McCain didn't it?
Sure did, Just like it protected the thousands of Allied POWs held by 
the Japanese in WWII

Here is just one forgotten tidbit, but who cares, only 517 POWS were 
killed there?

After the war, the Australian Army 7th Infantry Battalion, including 
Lt.
 
General V. A. H. Sturdee (1st Army) and Brigadier A.W. Potts (23 
Infantry Brigade) toured the island on November 10, 1945.

Australians immediately located the 
grave 
of 57 POWs buried in shallow trenches. An atrocities commission was 
carried out on the island, that led to the discovery of a mass grave 
of 436 bodies were exhumed with artifacts identifying them as British 
artillerymen. The remains were re-interred in individual graves at 
Bomama War 
Cemetery near Port Moresby. The remainder of the 517 British POWs 
have never been found.  Ed:[There were 517 POWS taken to this island 
by the Japanese to be used as slave labor to build an 
airstrip.  Ain't it wonderful how the GC took care of them!  If only 
those poor boys in Gitmo got the same generous treatment!]
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/solomons/ballale/index.html

Yeah, I know, most Obama lovers are public school grads, and can't 
read, so I will show a picture:
http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/PhotoFile/Liberation-Men.jpg
These guys are all obviously much better treated than all those poor 
abused freedom fighters in Gitmo

http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/PhotoFile/JustRescued2.jpg
This crew makes it easy to see how the GC protected them.  Again so 
much better cared for than those wonderful moslems being held at Gitmo.

Oh, pardon  me, those photos are form a site with West point in the 
name, so they are obviously photoshopped in 1945 to show propaganda, 
so lets look at pictures from the hallowed halls of 
academia.  Academia would never lie!

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics/bataan/daws9.jpg
"Working on the railroad. The Japanese have classified these men fit 
for heavy labor. They are aged 19 to 23. POW Geoge Aspinal took the 
picture with a secret camera and kept the film hidden till liberation."
From: Daws, p. 232
If only our beloved heros imprisoned at GItmo were so well cared for!

You say, "But that is only one picture form the hallowed halls of 
academia."  So here is another
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/USPics/bataan/daws15.jpg

ES&DMF  But, you say, "surely the POWS held can't be abused.  These 
pictures have to be wrong!  There must be a open source repository 
for facts.  I only use linux, and I am an open source guy!"  Well, 
you are right!  Just to show the open source world agrees with you, 
and those poor missionaries are being held at gitmo under the worst 
torture conditions ever know on planet earth, HERE IS YOUR OPEN 
SOURCE CONFIRMATION!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

Cheers!  You are so RIGHT!  Those poor missionaries held at gitmo 
would never harm anyone.  Now you have confirmation from three 
different sources!  And, you are so right!  The Geneva Convention 
only applies to rag tag bands of missionaries that wear the uniform 
of no country!  GO tell all your friends!


At 05:02 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>TE wrote:
> > And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> > McBush?

Loren Faeth 
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Re: [MBZ] VW on ebay

[Loren Faeth]

SO?  my Wabbit would do dat!

At 05:57 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>50 MPG (?) VW diesel on ebay.
>
>Not mine, no affiliation
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6l9eam
>
>Donald H. Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[OK Don]

Have him measure the stretch?  Should tell you whether it's the chain
or the tensioner.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 180k or so.  I have not checked it.  Indy says there is slap and it
> should have a chain & tensioner.  no big deal, I can roll it in and
> put in a tensioner.  In the old days with the master link, boom,
> done.  No problemo.  I have never purchased one of the tools, and
> really don't want to own one.  I'd probably only use it once.  It may
> only need a tensioner, or maybe not even that, but I do think he
> knows chain slap when he hears it.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay Idiots

[OK Don]

I regularly see used amateur radio gear sell for more than new prices.
I thought hams were smarter/cheaper than that!

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> got the OWC email about the ibook G3 800 going to pocket change and
> had to think hard about it for a few days.  Finally decided I had a
> need so peeked at eBay for prices then placed an order.
>
> Granted the OWC units are used and may not be in retail shape, but
> then most of the eBay ones are no better.  Some folks have starting
> bids that are so high, you should just order the machine fully loaded
> from OWC ($249 for max ram and such) instead of the barebones units
> on auction. Watched a few I put lowball bids on go for $400!!!  BTW
> my unit should be here Friday.
>
> clay

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

[OK Don]

I saw an article in a local rag recently about someone converting a
mid sized japanese car to electric for around town trips. He claims to
get 35 miles per charge with golf cart batteries. He used a "aircraft
generator" for the engine. That's all the info provided, but it did
re-stir an interest in trying this myself. I was thinking of something
smaller and lighter, but still just for very local driving. I'm
thinking a Spriget or Spitfire.
Anyone know of good info/resources for the controller circuitry?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Local college is competing in the solar powered car race from Plano Texas to 
> Calgary Alberta. They are to be here
> on Saturday afternoon so I plan to go and have a closer look.
>
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL blower fuse

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:08:59 -0400 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 'Opened the envelope, and guess what??!!  The "new", never-used fusible
> link has melted!!  'Really confusing at first to open the envelope
> expecting to see the 30 amp fusible link I put in it 2 or 3 years ago
> and see instead a thin squiggly line of something a little over an inch
> long with strange little discs at each end. 'Took a moment to realize
> the "new" fuse had melted there inside the car. Any more spare ones I
> get henceforth will be kept in the house!

But if a fusible link cannot stand the temperatures in the glove box, how
in the world would it ever stand the temperatures under the hood?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[OK Don]

Wow! You actually agree with Al Gore on this topic!

> By the way, I think the subject on this thread has been very appropriate.  If 
> voters really were careful in voting and really did try to educate 
> themselves, then I think we would all be better off.  But, sadly most people 
> don't vote, can't name the vice president, have no idea who the speaker of 
> the house is, don't know who their local congressman is and asking them to 
> name a Justice of the Supreme Court other than Clarence Thomas would elicit 
> nothing more than dumb looks.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:53:50 -0400 "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> You obviously enjoy very edited history.  Enjoy.

There is statistical evidence that the presidential race in Florida was
tampered. The shout then was, "let every vote count." The only left off
the last, truthful, part of that, "more than once for Gore."


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Re: [MBZ] Chassis typ and engine typ chart

[OK Don]

That's the one I usually refer to -- quick and easy, with pictures.

>
> One source is:
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

Actually, the Japanese invented the suicide bomber during WWII... the
Palestinians just don't have the money for airplanes.

I couldn't agree more, as the other side of the story is rarely presented.
Homes being bulldozed with families inside, orchards being torn to shreds,
men, women and children shot in the streets, killed with rockets from the
sky... it's no wonder these people have nothing to live for.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:53 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.

For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
and blowing up my Mercedes : 
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg

Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
their levels.

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>
> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
> of course.
>
> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>
> --R
>
> TE wrote:
>   
>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>> McBush?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>
>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
>> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
>> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
>> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
battlefield.
>>
>> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
>> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>>
>> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>>> 
>>>   
>> Loren Faeth 
>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

So basically you want to throw out the Geneva Convention on some BS
technicality? Unfortunately, when you have such a broadly defined war aka
War on Terror, the enemy is not a single country, it's whoever the hell you
want it to be.

The Geneva Convention defines the rules of war. Just because the "enemy"
doesn't represent a sovereign nation or wear its uniform, does not mean the
rules of war do not apply.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 

Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
(the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
(she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
of course.

But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
some conversations and negotiations and such.

--R

TE wrote:
> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> McBush?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
battlefield.
>
> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>
> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>> 
>
> Loren Faeth 
>
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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[Loren Faeth]

180k or so.  I have not checked it.  Indy says there is slap and it 
should have a chain & tensioner.  no big deal, I can roll it in and 
put in a tensioner.  In the old days with the master link, boom, 
done.  No problemo.  I have never purchased one of the tools, and 
really don't want to own one.  I'd probably only use it once.  It may 
only need a tensioner, or maybe not even that, but I do think he 
knows chain slap when he hears it.

At 10:51 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>How many miles on an M104 to need a timing chain? This is the first
>I've heard of that needed replacement.
>
>
>Gary Thompson
>1995 E320
>
>
>On 7/16/08, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > M104 320
> >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rich Thomas]

I am always amused when people are willing to toss out the moral 
equivalence argument whenever it suits them.  But I take your point, 
well-put, about stooping to the level of the savages, and can't really 
disagree with it -- my point was that the GC was put together to cover 
national military activities, not a bunch of random a-h's fighting to 
kill anyone who happens to disagree with them on whatever stupid 
savagery they are touting at the moment.  They and their supporters fall 
back on the GC argument (which strictly speaking does not apply to them) 
whenever you catch one who has sawn off someone's head with a dull 
blade, or tried to blow themselves and/or others up, or done some other 
savagery.  Their buds think we are a bunch of fools, and play on that 
very well.  But then again showing our better way does seem to have 
convinced a lot of folks that our way is indeed better, and maybe that 
is the path that will work as it has in the past (along with some AC-130 
action from the high ground).

--R

Rolf wrote:
> I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
> aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
> America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
> don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>
> For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
> the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
> I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
> Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
> be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
> renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
> and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
> and blowing up my Mercedes : 
> http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg
>
> Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
> and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
> their levels.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
>   
>> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
>> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
>> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
>> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
>> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
>> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
>> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>>
>> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
>> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
>> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
>> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
>> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
>> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
>> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
>> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
>> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
>> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
>> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
>> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
>> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
>> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
>> of course.
>>
>> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
>> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
>> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> TE wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>>> McBush?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>>
>>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>>> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
>>> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
>>> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
>>> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>>>
>>> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
>>> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>>>
>>> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 just look

Re: [MBZ] 108 on 48-state tour

[andrew strasfogel]

I have nothing aghainst these fine people, but I was hoping to learn more
about the car, Chuck.  If anything I need to de=lighten.  ;)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> This a once in a lifetime opportunity for a father and daughter to
> enjoy driving her grandfather's 108 250S... It's a 40 year old
> Mercedes-Benz for goodness sake!!!
>
> Lighten up! and savor their pleasure
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ
>
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:52 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Too much travelogue nonsense.  Where is the car info?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> a car that can go from place to place.  amazing!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:41 AM, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> A father-daughter team from the local MBCA section are currently
> >>> halfway
> >>> through a tour of the continental US in grandpa's old 250SE.  Follow
> >>> their progress at http://www.48statedrive.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>> Articles and video here:
> >>> http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=8582235
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.semissourian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080629/
> >> FEATURES08/563156292
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wilton Strickland]

That's what I thought, too.  That's the way I was raised, thinking that we
would never stoop to such.  I have sure as Hell been disappointed the last
few years.

Wilton, LtCol, USAF (Ret)

- Original Message -
From: "Rolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity


> I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention
> aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of
> America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we
> don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries.
> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>
> For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented
> the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time
> I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from
> Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would
> be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy,
> renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins
> and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
> and blowing up my Mercedes :
> http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg
>
> Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN
> and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to
> their levels.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or
> > are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it
> > apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing
> > themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on
> > video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess
> > you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits
> > of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too.
> >
> > Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really
> > angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that
> > brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who
> > killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a
> > Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach
> > (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun
> > and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister
> > (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her
> > cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly
> > dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds
> > are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such
> > activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.
> > I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that
> > should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC
> > of course.
> >
> > But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in
> > effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have
> > some conversations and negotiations and such.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > TE wrote:
> >
> >> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> >> McBush?
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
> >>
> >> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try
> >> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were
> >> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to
> >> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially
> >> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT
> >> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic)
battlefield.
> >>
> >> Almost all of what the federal government does is
> >> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
> >>
> >> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> just look at McCain's opinion of
> >>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Loren Faeth
> >>
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[MBZ] 91 350SDL blower fuse

[Wilton Strickland]

Wife told me coupla hours ago that blower fuse in SDL blew today, i. e.,
blower suddenly quit.  Few minutes ago I went out to check it, install new
fusible link, etc.  First glance found one end of the holder melted, fuse
mounting screw and end of wire on one side "cooked."  Finally got
melted/cooked top off the box and found about 1/3 of bottom of the box and
most of one end of the box melted away, leaving fuse mounting screw and end
of wire on that side just hanging there in space.  I thought, "Well, I'll
clean it up and mount a new fuse to the still secure screw on one side and
to the "floating" screw on the other side and try to see what else there
is."  'Went to driver's door and retrieved an envelope containing a "new"
fusible link from the black plastic MB records pouch.  'Opened the envelope,
and guess what??!!  The "new", never-used fusible link has melted!!  'Really
confusing at first to open the envelope expecting to see the 30 amp fusible
link I put in it 2 or 3 years ago and see instead a thin squiggly line of
something a little over an inch long with strange little discs at each end.
'Took a moment to realize the "new" fuse had melted there inside the car.
Any more spare ones I get henceforth will be kept in the house!

Rusty, do you have a blower fusible link and HOLDER for a 91 350SDL?  'Think
I got this blown fuse and the spare one from ya 2 or 3 years ago.  How 'bout
a return on the un-used one? Grin-Grin.


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Bill Ringgold]

Well put Rolf.
BillR


-Original Message-
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Sent: 7/16/08 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.

For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
and blowing up my Mercedes : 
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg

Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
their levels.

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Wonko the Sane]

Exactly. I struggle with this myself from time to time (philosophically).

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Part of being the United States of America, the greatest country on this
> green earth(tm), means that we don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature
> of (some) other countries.


> We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.
>


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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

I am always amused when people are willing to toss the Geneva Convention 
aside whenever it suits them. Part of being the United States of 
America, the greatest country on this green earth(tm), means that we 
don't lower ourselves to the barbaric nature of (some) other countries. 
We take the high road because thats who we are, the moral high ground.

For the record, Jewish Palestinians (yes they aren't all Arabs) invented 
the suicide bomber when fighting the UK in what is now Israel. Last time 
I checked the Israelis were just as much to blame as the guy from 
Hezballah. You should check up on your middle eastern history. I would 
be pretty pissed if my country was reshaped into a singular theocracy, 
renamed and my neighbors started inviting all of their European cousins 
and kicked me out in the middle of the night by bulldozing my house
and blowing up my Mercedes : 
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/05/september%2005/gazanews.jpg

Don't get me wrong they are both to blame. They have both violated UN 
and GC law time and time again. That doesn't mean we need to stoop to 
their levels.

-Rolf

Rich Thomas wrote:
> The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
> are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
> apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
> themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
> video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
> you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
> of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 
>
> Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
> angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
> brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
> killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
> Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
> (the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
> and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
> (she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
> cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
> dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
> are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
> activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
> I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
> should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
> of course.
>
> But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
> effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
> some conversations and negotiations and such.
>
> --R
>
> TE wrote:
>   
>> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
>> McBush?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>>
>> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
>> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
>> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
>> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
>> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
>> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>>
>> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
>> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>>
>> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>>> 
>>>   
>> Loren Faeth 
>>
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Re: [MBZ] VW on ebay

[Wonko the Sane]

SOLID 50 mpg.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 50 MPG (?) VW diesel on ebay.
>
> Not mine, no affiliation
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6l9eam
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[MBZ] 87 300D in Atlanta.

[Rolf]

Good:
I am guessing it is a true 80k.
Engine was silky smooth and accelerated well. There was some diesel 
leaking from the various hoses (not returns but main fuel lines). 
Everything else looked ok.
Transmission shifted perfectly.
Seats are mb tex and in good condition.
Suspension was in great condition, new bilsteins in the front, tie 
rod/centerlink/LCA bearing/balljoints all in very good to new condition.
Typical southern car, no rust. Dash was OK.
Alignment OK, car drove mostly straight but one of the tires was semi 
flat which would account for the slight drag to that side.

Bad:
Wheels/tires: tires mismatched with some real cheapies up front. Paint 
on rims was pealing.
AC: Blower is broken so everything after that is a ?
Rear right window: I could hear the motor attempting to move the window 
but it wouldnt
Drivers seat: Needs noodling and the lumbar support was all the way out. 
Didn't know how to adjust. Seat motor worked AOK.

Ugly:
Paint/body: car was repainted and sloppily at that. Front passenger side 
1/4 panel had been pulled out partially after wreck, bondoed and whole 
car painted. Would def need a new 1/4 panel and a decent paint job for 
it to look new. Other than that I could not see a single ding on the 
car. Trunk was in good condition no sign of a rear end.

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Interior condition: 7/10
Exterior condition: 4/10
Drivetrain: 9/10
Suspension: 9/10

I am not a big fan of the 124/201 series cars. To small for my comfort, 
I am used to W123 headroom (I'm 6/2). I would never give anything a 
10/10 but the suspension was worthy of it. I would say $2600 is a bit 
much, not sure how much wiggle room there is though. He was mexican 
after all. Second time I talked to him he rolled is R's. Nice enough 
guy, a mechanic by trade that flips cars to pay the other bills. Owned 
the car a month, listed it as soon as the registration cleared.


-Rolf

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[MBZ] Ebay Idiots

[Redghost]

got the OWC email about the ibook G3 800 going to pocket change and  
had to think hard about it for a few days.  Finally decided I had a  
need so peeked at eBay for prices then placed an order.

Granted the OWC units are used and may not be in retail shape, but  
then most of the eBay ones are no better.  Some folks have starting  
bids that are so high, you should just order the machine fully loaded  
from OWC ($249 for max ram and such) instead of the barebones units  
on auction. Watched a few I put lowball bids on go for $400!!!  BTW  
my unit should be here Friday.

clay

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[MBZ] VW on ebay

[Donald Snook]

50 MPG (?) VW diesel on ebay.

Not mine, no affiliation

http://tinyurl.com/6l9eam

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Re: [MBZ] Boats

[LarryT]

Hi Jim,
What kind of boat?

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Boats


> Today begins our vacation, for which the last two months or more
> I've been preparing our boat.  Today I wiped down the faded orange
> gel coat of the boat with my magic shine-and-glo.  Stinks a bit but
> looks a lot better now, and should hold up for more than the
> week I need it to.
> 
> List content: My 'polish' comes right out of the tank of the
> 190D!
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 108 on 48-state tour

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

This a once in a lifetime opportunity for a father and daughter to  
enjoy driving her grandfather's 108 250S... It's a 40 year old  
Mercedes-Benz for goodness sake!!!

Lighten up! and savor their pleasure

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:52 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Too much travelogue nonsense.  Where is the car info?
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> a car that can go from place to place.  amazing!
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:41 AM, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A father-daughter team from the local MBCA section are currently  
>>> halfway
>>> through a tour of the continental US in grandpa's old 250SE.  Follow
>>> their progress at http://www.48statedrive.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Articles and video here:
>>> http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=8582235
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.semissourian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080629/ 
>> FEATURES08/563156292
>>>
>>> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rich Thomas]

The GC applies to enemy combatants who wear the uniform of a country, or 
are part of some organized national military -- the framers of it 
apparently did not consider the idea of a bunch of rag-tags blowing 
themselves and others up with their escapades, sawing off heads on 
video, stoning their women, and that sort of thing.  Or VC.  But I guess 
you make a good point, we need to provide those creatures the benefits 
of a civilized type of warfare, and the US Constitution too. 

Wouldn't want to spark their outrage or anything, they might get really 
angry and savage (within the confines of the GC of course).  Like that 
brave freedom fighter Hezballah guy the Israelis just released who 
killed 4 people some years ago, among them a 4 yr old girl (she was a 
Jew) after he beat her father (he was a Jew) to death first on the beach 
(the brave freedom fighter wanted her to watch), then he took his gun 
and rocks and beat the 4 yr old to death.  Oh, and her 2 yr old sister 
(she was a Jew too) suffocated when her mother (a Jew too) stifled her 
cries as they hid from those lovely guys so they would not be similarly 
dealt with by the brave freedom fighter and his cohorts.  And his buds 
are all celebrating today, thousands of them, and planning more such 
activities to amuse themselves, and that guy says he will do more also.  
I think they are broadening their efforts beyond the Jews too, so that 
should give them a bit more opportunity, within the confines of the GC 
of course.

But I'm not worried, not at all, because the Geneva Convention is in 
effect, and I think the politicians are going to talk with them, have 
some conversations and negotiations and such.

--R

TE wrote:
> And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
> McBush?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity
>
> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>
> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>
> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>> 
>
> Loren Faeth 
>
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[MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

[R A Bennell]

Local college is competing in the solar powered car race from Plano Texas to 
Calgary Alberta. They are to be here
on Saturday afternoon so I plan to go and have a closer look.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[TE]

And the Geneva Convention? You know, the same thing that protected John
McBush?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.

Almost all of what the federal government does is 
unconstitutional!  Read the document!

At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>just look at McCain's opinion of
>giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees

Loren Faeth 


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Re: [MBZ] 48 state drive

[R A Bennell]

Get ready to sell him a radiator.

Randy

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I sold the guy $2500.00 worth of parts before the trip. Plus a whole neat 
little emergency bag of stuff. He is a real nice guy.


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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 48 state drive


>> Anybody else reading this?
>
> Not I.
>
>> They're having serious temp issues. I'm thinking old coolant, probably
>> the horrible green stuff... Maybe a bad cap?
>
> Coolant, if present, will cool pretty much no matter how old it is.
> The problem is corrosion damage it does to the inside of the cooling
> system, which prevents cooling.  Unfortunately replacing the coolant
> will do nothing then.  Unless they've got a bad thermostat it's probably
> now a bad radiator.  Water pumps, if not leaking, rarely fail.
> If they're lucky and acid flush and new coolant, probably with a
> new thermostat and cap, might get them going again.  Else add a
> new radiator to that.
>
>> Anybody else got an opinion, it seems like that car should cool well
>> enough that 90 degrees with the AC on shouldn't overheat it. It looks
>> to be a 250 SE but its hard to get a good look at the trunk lid in
>> their pics.
>
> It oughta.
>
> -- Jim
>
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[MBZ] Diesel Benz Emissions Inspection in PA

[Rich Thomas]

The 84 300SD needs to get inspected in the Philadelphia area, I look on 
the web site and can't see anything definitive about diesel cars, except 
this:

Are any vehicles exempt from Pennsylvania’s emissions program?
Yes. Vehicles will be exempt from the program if:
• the vehicle has been owned for one year and driven less than 5,000 
miles in the
prior year. However, motorists must go to an emissions inspection station to
verify the vehicle’s mileage and receive an exemption sticker. Motorists 
can do
this when they get their safety inspection if the station performs both 
types of
inspections.
• the vehicle is a new car, not previously titled and has less than 
5,000 miles
before registration; motorists should receive an exemption sticker valid 
for up to
12 months upon receipt of the new car from your new car dealer.
Exemptions are determined by a certified emissions inspector.

Will motorists still need an emissions inspection sticker if their 
vehicle is exempt
from the emissions inspection program?
Yes. Even if the vehicle is exempt from the emissions inspection program 
motorists will
still need to go to an inspection station to receive an exemption 
sticker for the vehicle.
The station can charge a fee to issue an exemption sticker.

Are any vehicles excluded from Pennsylvania’s emissions program?
Yes. Vehicles will be excluded from the program if:
• the vehicle is registered as a street rod, classic, collectible, 
antique or specially
constructed vehicle and motorcycles.
Vehicles excluded from the program will not have the “Emissions Inspection
Required/Diesel Vehicles Exempt” message in their registration card.


Will motorists still need an emissions inspection sticker if their 
vehicle is
excluded from the emissions inspection program?
No. If the vehicle is excluded from the program, no emissions message 
will appear on
the registration card and as a result, no sticker is needed.

I guess you have to look at the registration to figure it out? Anyone 
know what the deal is there? There are answers to similar questions that 
seem to contradict each other...I guess excluded and exempt are the key 
words?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Bill R]

I guess I don't want to be quite as jaded as I sometimes come across, but
what experience I have had with our legal system was screwed by perjury on
the part of NARC [not drug related] and his attorney, and lying by police
[and a cousin I spent quite a bit of time with is now a federal judge, so I
am not entirely out of my realm when I venture thoughts about the legal
system]. I have also interviewed felons in state custody who freely admitted
to various serious crimes, but not to the ones they were in prison for - and
they had willingly named other people [none of whom were a positive
influence on society] to get them arrested on fake charges in exchange for
better sentences when they were on trial.  I'm glad most of them are off the
streets, but realize the lawyers and police putting them there scare me
also.  I trust politicians and their minions even less.  I have also done
enough travel in other countries to be sure that I would rather live here
than in any of them.  That doesn't mean I think we are always even good, or
the best at everything.  Our voting system is one area we need some work on,
our political system - whether skewed by lifers in the system [elected or
staff] is another.  BTW, I suspect term limits and one term politicians
[which I support] will have it's largest effect in increasing the power and
influence of staffers who can stay on for multiple terms.   Enough.   Bush
is, for a few more months, President.  I can accept that, but I for one will
be glad when he is gone.  Is he evil or stupid?  Not that I know of, but I
don't like him or his methods or just about anybody's politics.
BillR
   

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It seems than at Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:52:53 -0400, Bill wrote:

> I don't have the kind of faith in our
> political or judiciary or voting system you do.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything."

 -- attributed to Josef Stalin, though there is little evidence.

Regardless of who said it, it is too true.

Our whole governing process is _depends_ on valid voting system.


http://www.votefraud.org/
http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/the_problem
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Wagons for sale in America's Heartland

[andrew strasfogel]

Wonder why there are no pix of the wagon?  The price is right.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> None of these are mine.  I thought I wanted a wagon, but I think I am going
> to go for a 124.
>
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/756292701.html 80 wagon $1600
>
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/755570661.html85 Wagon $2400
>
> here's a pretty nice 126 300SE
>
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/746880211.html
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 48 state drive

[Gary Hurst]

why is he overheating then?  not sure i'd publicize my involvement in this
trip!  (does he even give us a plug?)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I sold the guy $2500.00 worth of parts before the trip. Plus a whole neat
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 48 state drive
>
>
> >> Anybody else reading this?
> >
> > Not I.
> >
> >> They're having serious temp issues. I'm thinking old coolant, probably
> >> the horrible green stuff... Maybe a bad cap?
> >
> > Coolant, if present, will cool pretty much no matter how old it is.
> > The problem is corrosion damage it does to the inside of the cooling
> > system, which prevents cooling.  Unfortunately replacing the coolant
> > will do nothing then.  Unless they've got a bad thermostat it's probably
> > now a bad radiator.  Water pumps, if not leaking, rarely fail.
> > If they're lucky and acid flush and new coolant, probably with a
> > new thermostat and cap, might get them going again.  Else add a
> > new radiator to that.
> >
> >> Anybody else got an opinion, it seems like that car should cool well
> >> enough that 90 degrees with the AC on shouldn't overheat it. It looks
> >> to be a 250 SE but its hard to get a good look at the trunk lid in
> >> their pics.
> >
> > It oughta.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 108 on 48-state tour

[andrew strasfogel]

Too much travelogue nonsense.  Where is the car info?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> a car that can go from place to place.  amazing!
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:41 AM, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A father-daughter team from the local MBCA section are currently halfway
> > through a tour of the continental US in grandpa's old 250SE.  Follow
> > their progress at http://www.48statedrive.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Articles and video here:
> > http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=8582235
> >
> >
> http://www.semissourian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080629/FEATURES08/563156292
> >
> > Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Rich Thomas]

I got talking to this elderly lady poll worker in Melrose, Massachusetts 
(I think one of two generally Republican towns in MA, our used-to-be 
mayah, who was gay and took ovah from the old gay mayah who was 
80-something, is now head of the Log Cabin Republicans -- we were 
tolerant and accepting!) about the mechanical voting machines (huge old 
green things about twice the size of a big refrigerator) one time when I 
went to vote, maybe 20-25 yr ago.  She told me very quietly, looking 
around warily, that they used to arrive with the votes already set for 
the "winnah" in each particular community, except ours because they 
weren't Democrats, but it was not so prevalent anymore (emphasis on "not 
so").  She sorta laughed, but that was the way it was, and might still 
be in some places.  Now of course we know about the leanings and general 
elected officials in Massachusetts...but I digress.

Go figyah.

--R

Fmiser wrote:
> It seems than at Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:52:53 -0400, Bill wrote:
>
>   
>> I don't have the kind of faith in our
>> political or judiciary or voting system you do.
>> 
>
> "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
> decide everything."
>
>  -- attributed to Josef Stalin, though there is little evidence.
>
> Regardless of who said it, it is too true.
>
> Our whole governing process is _depends_ on valid voting system.
>
>
> http://www.votefraud.org/
> http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/the_problem
> http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
>
> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:52:53 -0400, Bill wrote:

> I don't have the kind of faith in our
> political or judiciary or voting system you do.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything."

 -- attributed to Josef Stalin, though there is little evidence.

Regardless of who said it, it is too true.

Our whole governing process is _depends_ on valid voting system.


http://www.votefraud.org/
http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/the_problem
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 48 state drive

[Rusty Cullens]

I sold the guy $2500.00 worth of parts before the trip. Plus a whole neat 
little emergency bag of stuff. He is a real nice guy.


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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:21 PM
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>> Anybody else reading this?
>
> Not I.
>
>> They're having serious temp issues. I'm thinking old coolant, probably
>> the horrible green stuff... Maybe a bad cap?
>
> Coolant, if present, will cool pretty much no matter how old it is.
> The problem is corrosion damage it does to the inside of the cooling
> system, which prevents cooling.  Unfortunately replacing the coolant
> will do nothing then.  Unless they've got a bad thermostat it's probably
> now a bad radiator.  Water pumps, if not leaking, rarely fail.
> If they're lucky and acid flush and new coolant, probably with a
> new thermostat and cap, might get them going again.  Else add a
> new radiator to that.
>
>> Anybody else got an opinion, it seems like that car should cool well
>> enough that 90 degrees with the AC on shouldn't overheat it. It looks
>> to be a 250 SE but its hard to get a good look at the trunk lid in
>> their pics.
>
> It oughta.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Bill R]

OK, we know the final outcome.  Local stories perhaps, but there were many
of them pointing out - from all across the state -  things that were either
illegal in disallowing voting, and just massive stupidity on the part of a
Democratic official in Palm Beach telling voters that the place to hit to
vote for Gore was the second spot (IIRC) when it was actually the third. It
was a very poorly designed ballot that I had trouble with [and yes, probably
designed by a Democrat] that helped those results quite a bit in that area.
The specific results of that area {and my memory is not the best on this
stuff from so long ago] indicated that a candidate did much better there
than in other areas - more than enough to tip the results even without all
the other stories.  I am not ignoring the fact that Florida votes went to
Bush, just being slightly amazed that people think the ruling or even the
recounts of those who were allowed to vote means the process was above board
across the state.  I don't have the kind of faith in our political or
judiciary or voting system you do.  I would assume as an attorney you focus
on a need to accept the final legal outcome - and I am not carrying a banner
outside the White House - but I still don't think it was a clean win.  Had
Gore won I would feel the same way, but I think the country would have been
better off.  As to why he was reelected, I don't really understand that.  I
can tell you that a number of people I talked to were not happy with him but
had bought into the idea that we shouldn't make such a big change during a
war.
Like I said before, all history is biased.  Everyone focuses on what they
want to hear.
BillR  

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Bill R. wrote: "You obviously enjoy very edited history.  Enjoy."

Mitch Haley wrote: "WTF are you talking about? Bush was elected (the
electoral college way) in 2000, the only thing the courts did was stop
certain criminals (Richard Daley's brother being one of them) from changing
the results after the election."

Sorry Bill, Mitch is correct.  If you don't believe him or me, you could
actually read the decision in Bush v. Gore.  The Supreme Court ruled that
only recounting certain counties in Florida as opposed to all counties
violated the equal protection clause. The Court also held that if the
individual counties were applying different standards, the count would not
be uniform.  BY THE WAY, the associates press actually went down to Florida
and hand counted ALL of the votes in Florida using the standards offered by
the Gore team and Bush won the state.  They also counted all of the votes
using the standards that Florida law required, and Bush won. They also
counted the votes using the standards offered by the Bush team (and this is
no surprise, but Bush won).  Finally, the AP came up with their own
standards and whaddayaknow, Bush won.

So, I think if you are of the opinion that President Bush did not win
Florida you are not only reading some altered history, but are ignoring the
facts.

Finally, if you think it some sort of commonly held belief that President
Bush stole the election in 2000, why didn't all of these people revolt and
vote against him in 2004.

By the way, I think the subject on this thread has been very appropriate.
If voters really were careful in voting and really did try to educate
themselves, then I think we would all be better off.  But, sadly most people
don't vote, can't name the vice president, have no idea who the speaker of
the house is, don't know who their local congressman is and asking them to
name a Justice of the Supreme Court other than Clarence Thomas would elicit
nothing more than dumb looks.

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Boats

[Jim Cathey]

Today begins our vacation, for which the last two months or more
I've been preparing our boat.  Today I wiped down the faded orange
gel coat of the boat with my magic shine-and-glo.  Stinks a bit but
looks a lot better now, and should hold up for more than the
week I need it to.

List content: My 'polish' comes right out of the tank of the
190D!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 48 state drive

[Jim Cathey]

> Anybody else reading this?

Not I.

> They're having serious temp issues. I'm thinking old coolant, probably 
> the horrible green stuff... Maybe a bad cap?

Coolant, if present, will cool pretty much no matter how old it is.
The problem is corrosion damage it does to the inside of the cooling
system, which prevents cooling.  Unfortunately replacing the coolant
will do nothing then.  Unless they've got a bad thermostat it's probably
now a bad radiator.  Water pumps, if not leaking, rarely fail.
If they're lucky and acid flush and new coolant, probably with a
new thermostat and cap, might get them going again.  Else add a
new radiator to that.

> Anybody else got an opinion, it seems like that car should cool well 
> enough that 90 degrees with the AC on shouldn't overheat it. It looks 
> to be a 250 SE but its hard to get a good look at the trunk lid in 
> their pics.

It oughta.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[pm7088]

 -- Original message --
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> they'd be famous south boston bartenders.
> 
I don't think so, would have gone out of business after drinking all the 
profits.

Maybe they would have owned brothels?  No, that would have failed for similar 
reasons.

Pete, 
Who thinks a great deal of the Kennedy's despite their failings.  Remember, 
there were very few folks in this country willing to go head to head with Jimmy 
Hoffa.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

And lazy, lets not forget that

Luther wrote:
> Fat and rude :)
> 
> Luther
> 
> Quoting "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Yea, I am pretty rude
>>
>> Jack Dahlgren wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 yea, Loren is a real big idiot



>>> That is kind of rude. 
>>>
>>> -Jack
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

naw, nothing yet.  Will one of these days though.

Loren Faeth wrote:
> My 400k+ SDL you have always had more power than any other SDL i have 
> driven.  Maybe all the others need the ALDA shimmed.  I am sure my 
> 300D does.  It can hardly outrun a dog.
> 
> Kaleb, did you ever do an autopsy?
> 
> At 11:07 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
>> Yea, I was just driving around again today kicking myself in the ass.
>> Im not sure what I did to that car but somehow I made it have more power
>> AND get better mileage than any other 2.5 I have seen
>>
>> OK Don wrote:
>>> You are a good man, Charlie Brown!  -  oh, I DID pay for the car 
>>> It does consistently get 2 more mpg than the '90 does.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:00 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 It was $500.  And, yet again, I find myself kicking myself in the ass for
 letting OK don have that car.

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>>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>>   89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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[MBZ] 48 state drive

[Curt Raymond]

http://48statedrive.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html

Anybody else reading this? They're having serious temp issues. I'm thinking old 
coolant, probably the horrible green stuff... Maybe a bad cap?
Anybody else got an opinion, it seems like that car should cool well enough 
that 90 degrees with the AC on shouldn't overheat it. It looks to be a 250 SE 
but its hard to get a good look at the trunk lid in their pics.

They seem to have low expectations, not car people...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[John Robbins]

Rolf wrote:
> When we go to war in order to "free" the Iraqi people in the name of
> democracy we *should* apply the same principals that made this country
> great. That includes the freedoms and liberties given to us by said
> document. Gitmo detainees are non combatants and should be extended
> those same rights or they should be treated as prisoners of war and
> handled under the Geneva convention.

> Have any Gitmo detainees been found guilty of any crime? If not then we
> have kidnapped civilians from a foreign country. If someone did that to
> us it would be an act of war (hello Iran in the 70's).

Well said!

John


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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:
> Finally, if you think it some sort of commonly held belief that President 
> Bush stole the election in 2000, why didn't all of these people revolt and 
> vote against him in 2004.

That's what I did, not that my vote meant anything. I voted for Bush in '00, 
Gore won Michigan. I voted for Badnarik in '04, Kerry won Michigan. My 
representation in the electoral college: zero. I probably voted for Reagan in 
1984. If I did, that's the only time my electoral college delegate voted the 
same way I did.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[Gary Thompson]

How many miles on an M104 to need a timing chain? This is the first
I've heard of that needed replacement.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 7/16/08, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> M104 320
>

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Bill R]

Living in the S. FL area where much of the strangeness happened I actually
talked with some of the folks involved. During the election itself I was in
Peshawar, Pakistan [I voted early], but there was much still going on when I
got back.  It was quite surprising to me that I was able to follow the
stories quite well for the next week even in some remote areas of the Tar
desert in Pakistan and the following week in rural areas of Bangladesh.  All
history is biased because the fullness of any issue isn't available even if
any writer were able to be absolutely fair in reporting it.  Were it really
as one sided as either of us have presented it there wouldn't be so much
disagreement about it, and there still is.
BillR

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Bill R wrote:
> You obviously enjoy very edited history.  Enjoy.

I was thinking the same about you.
I remember it from when it happened. Did you have to read about it in Social

Studies class?

Mitch.;

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Rolf]

When we go to war in order to "free" the Iraqi people in the name of
democracy we *should* apply the same principals that made this country
great. That includes the freedoms and liberties given to us by said
document. Gitmo detainees are non combatants and should be extended
those same rights or they should be treated as prisoners of war and
handled under the Geneva convention.

Where does is say anywhere in the Constitution that those rights and
liberties granted *only* apply to citizens? Note the word posterity in
the preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility
, provide for the
common defence , promote
the general Welfare
, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
, do ordain
 and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America."


Have any Gitmo detainees been found guilty of any crime? If not then we
have kidnapped civilians from a foreign country. If someone did that to
us it would be an act of war (hello Iran in the 70's).

-Rolf

Loren Faeth wrote:
> The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
> reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
> there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
> foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
> does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
> apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.
>
> Almost all of what the federal government does is 
> unconstitutional!  Read the document!
>
> At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> just look at McCain's opinion of
>> giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees
>> 
>
> Loren Faeth 
>
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[MBZ] Wagons for sale in America's Heartland

[Donald Snook]

None of these are mine.  I thought I wanted a wagon, but I think I am going to 
go for a 124.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/756292701.html 80 wagon $1600

http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/755570661.html85 Wagon $2400

here's a pretty nice 126 300SE

http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/746880211.html


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

he does travel a bit much, no?  definitely calls for some anal cavity
action.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On 7/16/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > maybe you can suggest peanut dust checks at the airport and get yourself
> a
> >  big job in homeland security
>
> Great idea!
> And my masters would be so happy the day we put Jimmy Carter on the
> "known terrerrists" list.
>
> -Jack
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Donald Snook]

Bill R. wrote: "You obviously enjoy very edited history.  Enjoy."

Mitch Haley wrote: "WTF are you talking about? Bush was elected (the electoral 
college way) in 2000, the only thing the courts did was stop certain criminals 
(Richard Daley's brother being one of them) from changing the results after the 
election."

Sorry Bill, Mitch is correct.  If you don't believe him or me, you could 
actually read the decision in Bush v. Gore.  The Supreme Court ruled that only 
recounting certain counties in Florida as opposed to all counties violated the 
equal protection clause. The Court also held that if the individual counties 
were applying different standards, the count would not be uniform.  BY THE WAY, 
the associates press actually went down to Florida and hand counted ALL of the 
votes in Florida using the standards offered by the Gore team and Bush won the 
state.  They also counted all of the votes using the standards that Florida law 
required, and Bush won. They also counted the votes using the standards offered 
by the Bush team (and this is no surprise, but Bush won).  Finally, the AP came 
up with their own standards and whaddayaknow, Bush won.

So, I think if you are of the opinion that President Bush did not win Florida 
you are not only reading some altered history, but are ignoring the facts.

Finally, if you think it some sort of commonly held belief that President Bush 
stole the election in 2000, why didn't all of these people revolt and vote 
against him in 2004.

By the way, I think the subject on this thread has been very appropriate.  If 
voters really were careful in voting and really did try to educate themselves, 
then I think we would all be better off.  But, sadly most people don't vote, 
can't name the vice president, have no idea who the speaker of the house is, 
don't know who their local congressman is and asking them to name a Justice of 
the Supreme Court other than Clarence Thomas would elicit nothing more than 
dumb looks.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Loren Faeth]

The constitution ONLY applies to American citizens!  You should try 
reading it!  Read Jefferson, Adams, and the others who were 
there!  The US Constitution does specifically NOT apply to 
foreigners, whether within the country, or without, but it especially 
does not apply to foreigners outside the country, and it does NOT 
apply to foreign terrorists captured on a foreign (or domestic) battlefield.

Almost all of what the federal government does is 
unconstitutional!  Read the document!

At 09:28 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>just look at McCain's opinion of
>giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees

Loren Faeth 


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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Gary Hurst]

they'd be famous south boston bartenders.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > Yep. Women got the right to vote in the 1920s and Kennedy was elected in
> the
> > 1960s. I can see the connection.
>
> Wouldn't have Kennedys without Carrie Nation and her Fascists.
> Before Joseph raised his junior mobsters to be politicians they stuck us
> with
> FDR and the origins of the nanny state.
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Mitch Haley]

Bill R wrote:
> You obviously enjoy very edited history.  Enjoy.

I was thinking the same about you.
I remember it from when it happened. Did you have to read about it in Social 
Studies class?

Mitch.;

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Bill R]

You obviously enjoy very edited history.  Enjoy.
BillR

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Bill R wrote:
>  Perhaps Bush being put in office by the Supreme Court was payback?

WTF are you talking about? Bush was elected (the electoral college way) in
2000, 
the only thing the courts did was stop certain criminals (Richard Daley's 
brother being one of them) from changing the results after the election.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Mitch Haley]

Bill R wrote:
>  Perhaps Bush being put in office by the Supreme Court was payback?

WTF are you talking about? Bush was elected (the electoral college way) in 
2000, 
the only thing the courts did was stop certain criminals (Richard Daley's 
brother being one of them) from changing the results after the election.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[John Robbins]

Loren Faeth wrote:
  > We are dealing with a sect that is determined to kill or convert us
> by any means.  That includes infiltration, and using our own systems 
> to kill and maim.  Remember Sept 11, 2001?  Those were just "peaceful 
> fun loving students."  These are people who believe that a lie told 
> to an "infidel" is not a lie.  None of us know what is really in 
> Osama Obama's mind.  (just quoting ted Kennedy)  It is no accident 
> that the numbers of moslem immigrants has skyrocketed in the past 10 
> or 12 year.
 >
> Whether Obama is a terrorist or not, it is very clear he will be far 
> more friendly to terrorists than most Americans are.  Although 
> distasteful,  the notion is that a politician elected US Senator is a 
> terrorist, unfortunately is NOT absurd!   Obama's rapid, vacuous rise 
> indicate there are forces beyond the normal behind him.  Who is to 
> say it is not the force of wa ha bi?


Wow... just wow.  I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.  No 
matter what evidence is presented to you, irregardless of the evidence's 
merit, you will twist it or discredit it so you can continue to support 
your view.  I respect the right for you to have that view, and I truly 
hope that our ability to argue/discuss these types of topics in any 
form/fashion continues for the foreseeable future.  IMO, Obama will do 
more to preserve that than McCain.. just look at McCain's opinion of 
giving habeas corpus to Gitmo detainees.  So much for respect of the 
constitution.

BTW, saying your quoting Ted Kennedy doesn't change the fact that you 
still said it and believe the sentiment behind it.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Bill R]

I do believe that Kennedy did not win the popular vote, just the electoral
college vote.  Perhaps Bush being put in office by the Supreme Court was
payback?
BillR

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this is already common knowledge.  you never heard this before?

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do you have any vetted documentation for your thesis, or is this an
> anal-extraction?
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > kennedy never got "elected".  he was put into office by the chicago mob,
> a
> > creation of prohibition that would never happen if not for women's
> > political
> > views mattering.
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yep. Women got the right to vote in the 1920s and Kennedy was elected
> in
> > > the
> > > 1960s. I can see the connection.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > you gave women the vote, so you got the kennedys.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mitch Haley wrote:
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >> I believe that we pulled out of Turkey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, we had an established position in Turkey, and they used the
> new
> > > > Cuban
> > > > > bases
> > > > > > to negotiate us out of Turkey?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahh, should have kept reading before I posted that comment. It
> seems
> > > that
> > > > > Kennedy blew the Bay of Pigs, which prompted Cuba to seek
> protection
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > Soviets. And Kennedy put missiles in Turkey aimed at Moscow and
> other
> > > > large
> > > > > Soviet cities, and Khrushchev responded by putting missiles in
Cuba
> > > aimed
> > > > > at us.
> > > > >
> > > > >In 1961, the U.S. deployed 15 Jupiter IRBMs
> > (intermediate-range
> > > > >ballistic missiles) at Izmir, Turkey, aimed at the western
> > > USSR's
> > > > >cities, including Moscow. Given its 1,500-mile (2,410 km)
> > range,
> > > > > Moscow
> > > > >was only 16 minutes away. Yet, Kennedy gave them low
> strategic
> > > > > value,
> > > > >given that a SSBN submarine provided the same magnitude of
> > > threat,
> > > > > and
> > > > >from a distance.
> > > > >
> > > > >Khrushchev publicly expressed anger and personal offense
> from
> > > the
> > > > >Turkish missile emplacement. The Cuban missile deployment -
> > the
> > > > > first
> > > > >time Soviet missiles were outside the USSR - was his
> response
> > to
> > > > > U.S.
> > > > >nuclear missiles in Turkey.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The only lasting part of Kennedy's little pissing match with
Castro
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > embargo against Cuba, started with a series of executive orders in
> > 1962
> > > > and
> > > > > finally enshrined into law in the last couple of decades. Can
> anybody
> > > > > explain to
> > > > > me why the embargo needed to be expanded during the Clinton and
> > BushII
> > > > > administrations, years after Castro lost his Soviet backing?
> > > > > BTW, that hypocrite JFK is said to have bought 1,200 of his
> favorite
> > > > cigars
> > > > > immediately before signing a royal proclamation banning anybody
> else
> > > from
> > > > > buying
> > > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mitch.
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Jack Dahlgren]

On 7/16/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe you can suggest peanut dust checks at the airport and get yourself a
>  big job in homeland security

Great idea!
And my masters would be so happy the day we put Jimmy Carter on the
"known terrerrists" list.

-Jack

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[John Robbins]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
> Before the Cuban missile crisis, we had missiles near eastern Europe.
> During the Cuban missile crisis, we had missiles near eastern Europe and
>  Russia had missiles near Florida.
> After the Cuban missile crisis, we had no missiles near eastern Europe and
>  Russia had no missiles near Florida.
> 
> How is that not a loss?

Sounds to me like it was a "Woah, we're both getting stupid here... lets 
both step back for a minute and think about this."  Would it have been 
any better if the first two were reversed?  Then it would have been 
considered a win then, but not having nuclear war would have been the 
real win for me.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Project 220b for sale, junkers for cheapo

[Loren Faeth]

Iowa. S.E corner

At 08:08 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>Where are these treasures?
>
>--R
>
>Loren Faeth wrote:
> > After I scolded Admiral Wacko the insane for not reading the subject
> > line, I see it should have been more explicit.  The junkers are next
> > to free, and the re is a project car that could be really nice.  I
> > have others with spare auto trans for 110/111 body.  Those trans
> > would be scrap price if you take em out.  Got some 4 speeds too for
> > 110/111 and maybe 114/115  rear axles , driveshafts, you name it (110/111)
> >
> > Other family members are forcing the sale of the farm that has been
> > in the family for 175 years.  I need to move these junkers.  I will
> > have no storage space.   Kaleb has declined in favor of thinning his
> > herd also.  These are make an offer:  they have to go
> >
> >
> >> 84 280SEL Euro, hit RF. 126  Engine and trans supposed to be good.
> >> had heated seats
> >>
> >
> >
> >> 74" 450SL Euro remains:  Euro engine, probably stuck, but it has all
> >> the goodies to convert a 107 SL to a 4 speed.  I thought it would be
> >> a good combination to put in a 108 or 111, but it will never happen
> >> for me.not much of anything else of value other than scrap to make
> >> more chinese trinkets for Americans to buy at Wallyland.  But the
> >> body has kept the engine, trans and such out of the weather
> >>
> >> 250S 108  whole car, less wheels.  Head, carbs, engine acessories,
> >> etc saleable.  no interior, not much body saleable, engine stuck.
> >> a couple of 110 and a 111 that are basically scrap iron.
> >>
> >
> > Also, a hanger queen waiting for restoration
> > 59 220b 111  Auto, good interior, low miles, but the whole front end
> > is a mess.  I have a Brand new factory front inner clip for it, as
> > well as fender, hood, bumper and other goodies.  Needs a lot of TLC,
> > but few parts that I don't have.  Chassis number 000499 engine number
> > 000999  It has to be one of the first to hit the shores of the
> > USA.  Buy the parts and I'll throw in the car for free.
> >
> > Would consider trading for small items of value
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Porterfield Brake oads

[Gary Hurst]

pbr are kinda cheapies.  i use the akebono myself

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It seems than at Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:10:07 -0400, LarryT wrote:
>
> > Howdy -
> >I ran across an ad for some Porterfield brake pads which
> > supposedly leaves no brake dust and yet still
> > brake very well.  At $110 for a set of pads that will do the
> > front  I would certainly hope so ---
> > ;-)
> > Anybody try pads such as these?   Even if they work as
> > advertised $110 is a bit much - but I'd love to
> > get rid of brake dust ---
>
> I use PBR Deluxe pads. The claim is no dust. It seems to be true
> from my experience.
>
> > I have tried dust shields but they never fit properly and end
> > up squeaking or worse, an edge will catch and rip the
> > sheetmetal to pieces --
>
> And they mess with the air flow over the brakes and so the
> rotors don't cool properly.
>
> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year! - Cuba

[Bill R]

Having spent a few weeks there [mostly Havana, but some wandering] I think
the main effect of the embargo has been to greatly increase support for
Castro among the Cuban people and give him a great excuse for many of the
problems he caused or made worse.  The threat of another invasion attempt by
the US was still live in the culture when I was there [in the 1980's], and
kept alive for internal and external political reasons.  It has been a great
unifying factor for the Cuban people the same way an attack on the US pulled
us together.
BillR 

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Re: [MBZ] Project 220b for sale, junkers for cheapo

[Rich Thomas]

Where are these treasures?

--R

Loren Faeth wrote:
> After I scolded Admiral Wacko the insane for not reading the subject 
> line, I see it should have been more explicit.  The junkers are next 
> to free, and the re is a project car that could be really nice.  I 
> have others with spare auto trans for 110/111 body.  Those trans 
> would be scrap price if you take em out.  Got some 4 speeds too for 
> 110/111 and maybe 114/115  rear axles , driveshafts, you name it (110/111)
>
> Other family members are forcing the sale of the farm that has been 
> in the family for 175 years.  I need to move these junkers.  I will 
> have no storage space.   Kaleb has declined in favor of thinning his 
> herd also.  These are make an offer:  they have to go
>
>   
>> 84 280SEL Euro, hit RF. 126  Engine and trans supposed to be good. 
>> had heated seats
>> 
>
>   
>> 74" 450SL Euro remains:  Euro engine, probably stuck, but it has all 
>> the goodies to convert a 107 SL to a 4 speed.  I thought it would be 
>> a good combination to put in a 108 or 111, but it will never happen 
>> for me.not much of anything else of value other than scrap to make 
>> more chinese trinkets for Americans to buy at Wallyland.  But the 
>> body has kept the engine, trans and such out of the weather
>>
>> 250S 108  whole car, less wheels.  Head, carbs, engine acessories, 
>> etc saleable.  no interior, not much body saleable, engine stuck.
>> a couple of 110 and a 111 that are basically scrap iron.
>> 
>
> Also, a hanger queen waiting for restoration
> 59 220b 111  Auto, good interior, low miles, but the whole front end 
> is a mess.  I have a Brand new factory front inner clip for it, as 
> well as fender, hood, bumper and other goodies.  Needs a lot of TLC, 
> but few parts that I don't have.  Chassis number 000499 engine number 
> 000999  It has to be one of the first to hit the shores of the 
> USA.  Buy the parts and I'll throw in the car for free.
>
> Would consider trading for small items of value
>
> Loren Faeth  
>
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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity .. Gary sees sooomanygay women

[Gary Hurst]

maybe you can suggest peanut dust checks at the airport and get yourself a
big job in homeland security

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Jack Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On 7/15/08, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > it was even stupider than that.  small towns and shopping center in
> georgia
> >  were being evactuated due to the possibility of terrorist attack.  I was
> >  actually turned away on the road to the outlet mall in dawsonville,
> georgia
> >  by some dude in army fatigues (don't know if has army, national guard or
> >  police as he became extremely hostile when i suggested he identify
> himself
> >  and state teh source of his authority).  how can you blame a government
> for
> >  taking advantage of a people so willfully moronic?
>
> Next thing you know they are going to take all our scimitars away.
> I'm stocking up on leaf springs, charcoal, anvils and grinding wheels.
>
> As for why the historical highs in national moronicism, I have no
> explanation. You have to ask god.
>
> And, Gary, how do we really know you are not a terrorist? I'm gonna
> have them check you for peanut dust.
>
> -Jack
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Re: [MBZ] 108 on 48-state tour

[Gary Hurst]

a car that can go from place to place.  amazing!

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:41 AM, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A father-daughter team from the local MBCA section are currently halfway
> through a tour of the continental US in grandpa's old 250SE.  Follow
> their progress at http://www.48statedrive.blogspot.com/
>
> Articles and video here:
> http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=8582235
>
> http://www.semissourian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080629/FEATURES08/563156292
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[Loren Faeth]

M104 320

At 04:18 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>Which engine?  I have the OM60x tool.
>
>Luther
>
>Quoting Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Anybody got a timing chain tool they would loan/rent?
> >
> > I can trade use of a 123 diff tool to change the driveshaft seal, or
> > prechamber tools for iron heads, or a sleeve driver for 240/300D 
> ironheads.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> >
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Re: [MBZ] junkers for sale

[Loren Faeth]

Still in Ft Madison, IAAw Jim, Live a little!  Convert a 450!


At 01:39 AM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
> > 74" 450SL Euro remains:  Euro engine, probably stuck, but it has all
> > the goodies to convert a 107 SL to a 4 speed.
>
>Convert a _450SL_ to stick?  I think the 380+ engines won't
>mate to the same trannies as the 450's.
>
>Location?  (Not that I'm interested, myself.)
>
>-- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300td 1982 deerslayer radiator

[Trampas]

I got a cheap radiator once, did not have reinforced neck, you know the rest
of the story. Thus it cost me the price of a cheap radiator and a good one,
thus it was not cheap.

Trampas 

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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td 1982 deerslayer radiator

I guess you never got a computer and your house, you just check email 
from your blackberry.  FOOL

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> FOOLS.
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless handheld
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:45:39 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td 1982 deerslayer radiator
> 
> 
> Well, OK, I will just come right out and say it.  This guy emails me a 
> few days ago with an extensive list of parts.  I take the time to see 
> what I have available and give him quotes.  Did not have a radiator, 
> sent him your way.  Next thing I know he is posting on my list here 
> looking for the parts.  WTF?  I have him a quote.  Does he think he is 
> going to get it cheaper?  Its the sale of those parts that funds this 
> list.  I have people do that every once in a while.  When they do screw 
> around, they run the risk of somebody else coming along and buying the 
> parts that he needs, then I dont have anything for him.  Oh well, about 
> the like the guy who didnt want the E420 because it had brake dust on 
> the wheels.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Please. Chinese? Did you not see my quote earlier? Someone back me up on
this. Do we have no shame? 
>>
>>
>> --Original Message--
>> From: Rick Hawkins Java
>> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Sent: Jul 15, 2008 10:27 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] 300td 1982 deerslayer radiator
>>
>> Folks
>>
>> no one has offered me a decent deal on a good used radiator for my  
>> 300td Deerslayer. With a bit of searching i've found Silla Radiators  
>> which are made  guess where? . CHINA just like our cars!!
>>
>> They are VERY inexpensive. Less than half the price of a Behr. Has  
>> anyone seen or used or heard about one? Email me directly if you have  
>> any info.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I've patched mine up using WATERWELD putty , from walmart  
>> jb weld and it seems to be holding fine
>>
>>
>> we'll see.
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> xx rick
>> Rick Hawkins
>>
>> www.javaphoto.com
>> www.javacycles.com
>>
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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[Trampas]

I don't use a tool for the timing chains. 

I purchased a tool for the 117 engine and found that when you remove the
head bolts to install the tool you then have to remove head to put heil-coil
in the block such that you can put head bolt back in. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

Which engine?  I have the OM60x tool. 

Luther

Quoting Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anybody got a timing chain tool they would loan/rent?
>
> I can trade use of a 123 diff tool to change the driveshaft seal, or
> prechamber tools for iron heads, or a sleeve driver for 240/300D
ironheads. 
>
>
>
>
> Loren Faeth
>

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Re: [MBZ] timing chain tool

[Luther]

Which engine?  I have the OM60x tool. 

Luther

Quoting Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Anybody got a timing chain tool they would loan/rent?
>
> I can trade use of a 123 diff tool to change the driveshaft seal, or
> prechamber tools for iron heads, or a sleeve driver for 240/300D ironheads. 
>
>
>
>
> Loren Faeth
>

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Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiousity

[Luther]

Fat and rude :)

Luther

Quoting "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yea, I am pretty rude
>
> Jack Dahlgren wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yea, Loren is a real big idiot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That is kind of rude. 
>>
>> -Jack



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Re: [MBZ] 300td 1982 deerslayer radiator

[Luther]

Didn't my order on Monday please you enough? :)

Luther

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

>
> Please. Chinese? Did you not see my quote earlier? Someone back me up 
> on this. Do we have no shame?
>
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