[MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
That was me. Lot's of family problems came up, but while I was upgrading the '83 300D for the trip (putting in a new chain), the leg broke. Still hope to make a short trip in a couple of weeks after the physical therapist releases me. I could have finished the chain job now since I'm getting around fairly well with a cane and walker, but my daughter was so upset about finding me on the floor, I told her I would send the car to a mechanic. For some reason she connected working on the Mercedes with the accident. The car is at the mechanics (out in the woods). He is s-l-o-w but is supposed to do good work. I'll get back to working on the Merz after the doc says I can get down on the floor. Daughter will be okay with it by then. The specially cut mattress and cover (done expertly by a mattress shop in Tennessee) and the supporting structure is in and ready to go, and there isn't much else that needs to be done except routine service. I've had previous cars with mattresses taking the place of the passengers seat and the back seat. As Larry wrote: "With the curtains closed and the pop-top down, you could camp in that thing ANYWHERE, and no one knew there was anyone inside." I used a little different approach. By preference I would park in a rest area in the furthest space away from the rest rooms. I didn't use curtains because I found that made police suspicious when they came by and they would wake you up, look at your ID, etc. While sleeping I was below window level, so people would look through the window and think it was simply a parked car. Parking lots of closed bars were good places to sleep if rest areas were unavailable. Police never bothered me there. They must have thought somebody got too drunk to drive, got a ride home, and left his car. Was sleeping in a bar parking lot one night when I heard a noise. A guy was raising the hood up; probably aiming to steal the battery. About the time he got his head under the hood, I reached over with my toe and blew the horn. Heard this loud kerblam when the guy banged his head into the hood, and then he took off running the fastest I've ever seen anybody go. I wore very light clothes while on the road and slept with them so no one could accuse me of public nudity if they did look in the car and the blankets were askew. Every few days I would check into a motel, do laundry if necessary, and get a nights worth of very good sleep. It's a great feeling of freedom from responsibility and the cares of the world to wake up in your car at dawn and watch the sun coming up; no matter if you're on the plains, the desert, or along the seacoast. One more story: Drove into the Frisco Bay area one evening, went north on the coast road (north of the bay), and parked in a parking area high above the ocean. Woke up suddenly with the sensation that the car was shaking. Figured it was a dream and went back to sleep. Heard on the radio the next day that there had been an earthquake! This was during the late 1980s. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas and insurance prices
I've been with SF for almost 40 years - home and cars - never even a little problem. 2 cars totalled (not our fault) in the last 10 years but no increase in cost. Neither was our fault - one was a sheriff who hit my wife and the other was when my BIL was driving one of our cars. Never a question and the payments were fair. Both of the cars destroyed were brought to us by our mothers when they came to live with us - an Olds sedan and a Chrysler sedan - great cars although the interior trim started to fail - but other than that they were perfect - one was a 3.5L V6 and the other a 3.8L V6 - both delivered great power and economy. If they'd been diesels they'd have been perfect ;-) Wish we still had them -- When a hurricane came thru in '03 it damaged 2 homes we owned - when the work slowed because all the contractors were busy elsewhere SF called to find out what they could do to help. I'd give them the price for some part of the work and they mailed a check. No complaints from me. Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits & Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas and insurance prices > state farm has treated me really well overall. exceptionally well. i hear > from a lot of people that they suck, but it's never been the case with me. > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> State F arm has a reputation (well earned) for never paying anyone damaged >> by their insured. They tend to treat their own clients who cause the damage >> much better. Don't know if they improved any in recent years. In the past >> you had to make sure if you were hit, it was not by some pinhead with a >> state F arm sticker. >> >> I will never buy any product from the crooks. >> >> >> At 11:39 PM 10/14/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Depends on the cost of looking like a bunch of rapacious criminals >>> ripping off the american public. No matter how legit it was, they >>> look really really bad doing it and makes the public thing twice about >>> getting involved with them.State Farm did themselves a huge >>> disservice in WA when they tired to screw an old lady out of medical >>> costs because the ininsured criminal who rammed another car resulted >>> in her being hit. State farm decided it was a "planned" crash. >>> >>> clay >>> >> >> Loren Faeth >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: AIG party
Last month, and just days after the U.S. government stepped in to save AIG with a $85 billion taxpayer-funded loan, the company picked up a $440,000 tab for a week-long retreat at a posh California resort for top-performing insurance agents. That's in line with what I heard earlier. An competitively earned benefit for sales agents, not a taxpayer funded party for executives. AIG has paid millions in commissions to the same sales agents since the bailout, but I don't hear anybody complaining about that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Akebono brake pads
Gents, Installed the Akebono pads on my Wife's Infiniti last spring, along with new Balo rotors. They're great, and I'll put them on my Benz when the time comes. I wish I'd put them on years ago. Rusty recommended them, and he (as usual) was right. They are very quiet, fade-free, and seem to produce very little dust (but I hadn't really paid much attention up until now). The performance is SO much better than the cheapo pads that were mounted years ago. I've no idea where all these ideas about 'warm-up' and 'racing pads' come from. Ceramic pads are standard equipment now on a lot of high-end cars (Porsche comes to mind, and I think some MB models have them?) so the technology seems to be mature. I'm SURE that Marshall would approve! So there! -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
Good to hear from you, though we have been and I just didn't remember the name. Glad you are still up and kicking. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group IMHO, Sleeping in a rest area would be very dangerous. They are infested with drug dealers (Making transfers) and hookers. In my Motorhome, when I need to sleep "On the road", I go to the small town police station and ask to park in the far corner on the lot or a church lot, never been refused. Pete -- Original message -- From: "Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That was me. Lot's of family problems came up, but while I was upgrading the > '83 300D for the trip (putting in a new chain), the leg broke. Still hope to > make a short trip in a couple of weeks after the physical therapist releases me. > I could have finished the chain job now since I'm getting around fairly well > with a cane and walker, but my daughter was so upset about finding me on the > floor, I told her I would send the car to a mechanic. For some reason she > connected working on the Mercedes with the accident. The car is at the > mechanics (out in the woods). He is s-l-o-w but is supposed to do good work. > I'll get back to working on the Merz after the doc says I can get down on the > floor. Daughter will be okay with it by then. > > The specially cut mattress and cover (done expertly by a mattress shop in > Tennessee) and the supporting structure is in and ready to go, and there isn't > much else that needs to be done except routine service. > > I've had previous cars with mattresses taking the place of the passengers seat > and the back seat. > > As Larry wrote: > "With the curtains closed and the pop-top down, you could camp in that thing > ANYWHERE, and no one knew there was anyone inside." > > I used a little different approach. By preference I would park in a rest area > in the furthest space away from the rest rooms. I didn't use curtains because I > found that made police suspicious when they came by and they would wake you up, > look at your ID, etc. While sleeping I was below window level, so people would > look through the window and think it was simply a parked car. > > Parking lots of closed bars were good places to sleep if rest areas were > unavailable. Police never bothered me there. They must have thought somebody > got too drunk to drive, got a ride home, and left his car. > > Was sleeping in a bar parking lot one night when I heard a noise. A guy was > raising the hood up; probably aiming to steal the battery. About the time he > got his head under the hood, I reached over with my toe and blew the horn. > Heard this loud kerblam when the guy banged his head into the hood, and then he > took off running the fastest I've ever seen anybody go. > > I wore very light clothes while on the road and slept with them so no one could > accuse me of public nudity if they did look in the car and the blankets were > askew. Every few days I would check into a motel, do laundry if necessary, and > get a nights worth of very good sleep. > > It's a great feeling of freedom from responsibility and the cares of the world > to wake up in your car at dawn and watch the sun coming up; no matter if you're > on the plains, the desert, or along the seacoast. > > One more story: > Drove into the Frisco Bay area one evening, went north on the coast road (north > of the bay), and parked in a parking area high above the ocean. Woke up > suddenly with the sensation that the car was shaking. Figured it was a dream > and went back to sleep. Heard on the radio the next day that there had been an > earthquake! This was during the late 1980s. > > Gerry > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: AIG party
-- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Last month, and just days after the U.S. government stepped in to save AIG > with > a $85 billion taxpayer-funded loan, the company picked up a $440,000 tab for > a > week-long retreat at a posh California resort for top-performing insurance > agents. > Your thinking that the sales folks shouldn't be compensated? That's kind of rude. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dependability
Yes, I agree on both points. Wife has taken the 300D 2.5t so I get worst of both worlds-I get to look at it but not drive it. I am now driving the 'new' 240D-amazing the difference the 4 speed makes over the old automatic 240D Green Goddess. I seem to notice it even cruising on I 95 as well as around town and esp. the highway entrance ramps. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dependability I still don't like the 124's looks, but I do love driving them! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive
It seems that the Airbus planes have a lot of flt control issues. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case anyone believes laptops and such can interfere with flight controls: QANTAS DIVE TRACED TO COMPUTER GLITCH The abrupt dive of a Qantas A330-300 last week that injured scores of passengers wasn't caused by a passenger's electronic device, but by an internal breakdown in the Airbus's flight-control computer system, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said on Tuesday. The aircraft was flying at FL 370 en route from Singapore to Perth when the Inertial Reference System malfunctioned, which resulted in the autopilot automatically disconnecting, the ATSB said. However, the faulty unit continued to feed false information to the flight-control computers, which even with autopilot off, still command the control surfaces. Very high, random and incorrect values of the angle of attack led the computers to command a nose-down aircraft movement. The crew was able to recover within seconds, with a maximum altitude loss of 650 feet and a maximum pitch down of about 8.5 degrees, the ATSB said. Airbus told the ATSB it has never heard of a similar malfunction, but all operators of aircraft that use the system have been informed of the incident and provided guidance for a crew response to minimize the effect of any similar failure. The ATSB said its investigation is continuing. RLE ** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 89
I have. I've even looked at some. But at that fuel mileage, it really doesn't pay, given the high miles I drive. I can take the sd at 27 mpg and stay in a cheap motel and come out ahead. Thanks for the idea, though! Dan On Oct 15, 2008, at 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered a full sized conversion van? You can buy *very* nice E150s for around $2500 - some are laid out as campers or could be converted. With dark windows they offer security and privacy. Our 89 Ford 150 gets 16-18mpg with 5.0L V8. Large, comfortable and nothing is better for cruising the interstates - those captains chairs are very comfortable. Just a thought - along the lines of a VW -- yet more affordable and anyone can fix them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: AIG party
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Last month, and just days after the U.S. government stepped in to save AIG with a $85 billion taxpayer-funded loan, the company picked up a $440,000 tab for a week-long retreat at a posh California resort for top-performing insurance agents. Your thinking that the sales folks shouldn't be compensated? No, I was just quoting a news item which explained that the much maligned retreat was merely pre-arranged compensation for agents, when everybody seems to be claiming that it's an executive party. OTOH, the more recent UK hunting trip does seem to be an executive perk. I guess running a company as large as AIG into the ground is hard work and they deserve a break. Besides, if they are shooting peasants, pheasants, or whatever in England, the AIG executives aren't sitting at their desks running our company into the ground. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QANTAS dive
> > In case anyone believes laptops and such can interfere with flight controls: > > > QANTAS DIVE TRACED TO COMPUTER GLITCH > The abrupt dive of a Qantas A330-300 last week that injured scores of > passengers wasn't caused by a passenger's electronic device, but by an > internal > breakdown in the Airbus's flight-control computer system, the Australian > Transport > Safety Bureau said on Tuesday. The aircraft was flying at FL 370 en route from > Singapore to Perth when the Inertial Reference System malfunctioned, which > resulted in the autopilot automatically disconnecting, the ATSB said. However, > the faulty unit continued to feed false information to the flight-control > computers, which even with autopilot off, still command the control surfaces. > Very > high, random and incorrect values of the angle of attack led the computers to > command a nose-down aircraft movement. The crew was able to recover within > seconds, with a maximum altitude loss of 650 feet and a maximum pitch down of > about 8.5 degrees, the ATSB said. Airbus told the ATSB it has never heard of a > similar malfunction, but all operators of aircraft that use the system have > been > informed of the incident and provided guidance for a crew response to > minimize the effect of any similar failure. The ATSB said its investigation is > continuing. > > RLE Hope the next similar Airbus "glitch" doesn't occur at 600 ft AGL. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Money
When I was a child, I loved money. Coins, that is. I loved their What if they were gold, and had "In God We Trust" stamped on the edge? I got over it. (My brothers have offered to trade me all their coins for my bills. I'm tempted to send them the Visa!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dependability
I am now driving the 'new' 240D-amazing the difference the 4 speed makes over the old automatic 240D Green Goddess. I seem to notice it even cruising on I 95 as well as around town and esp. the highway entrance ramps. I always wanted to test-drive a manny 240D to see how it contrasts with my manny 200D (quite acceptable) and the now-sold slushy 240D (not). In all other ways that 123 was superior to my 115, though. (It oughta be, considering it cost me 5x as much!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
I'm guessing stale gas if it needs carb work when it's less than five years old, or maybe your gas is nasty and eats fuel pump diaphragms (alcohol?). All gas here is now contaminated with E, all year round. (Don't know about the airstrip.) Not too happy about it, we have numerous things that sit long periods of time and don't burn it up in a week. The gas residue in the McCulloch was goo, but washed out of the tank. The motor ran fine on fresh fuel, it hadn't run in years. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
Allan wrote: "I'm not sure either. I few years ago I needed a new push mower. I opted to buy a very expensive Lawn Boy at a locally owned mower shop. I had seen a lot of the lawn care places using Lawn Boys so I thought they must be good. Plus I liked the idea of a 2-stroke so I'd never have to mess with oil changes. For what I paid I could have bought at least three cheap generic mowers at Wal-Mart, maybe four or five. I'm still hoping that long term this was an economical buy, but I sure understand the people who buy the cheapest lawn mower they can and just replace it whenever it starts having problems." I thought about doing the same thing, I even had the lawn boy picked out. But, I cheaped out and bought the Wal Mart Murray Motor. The first one I bought worked very well (as long as I kept the blade sharpened). It was damaged in a tornado (when the shed was smashed, it damaged the mower and it was cheaper to buy another one). So, I bought another Murray. It worked great for 3 years (never even changed the oil, just the air filter). But, the tire broke through the deck (and I don't know how to weld). Then the throttle cable wore out. There is a guy in the neighborhood over who works on mowers - he is retired and it keeps him busy). So, I went over and asked him about fixing both things (I could not figure out how to replace the cable). He said with parts and labor it would cost me $40. OR he would give me $40 for my mower on trade for one of his that he had fixed up. It was a murray deck, but it had a Honda engine with an automatic choke. It was $40 with my trade. That is the one I bought and it has now been four years. It runs great. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive
"Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It seems that the Airbus planes have a lot of flt control issues. I can't recall now whether it was Airbus or Boeing, but one or the other was outfitting their new planes with internet service for passengers, and did not physically isolate that network from the navigation and flight control network. I'm not sure anything really bad happened but I recall someone did a proof of concept that showed it was possible for a person on the passenger side of the network to interfere with the flight control network traffic. Ah, here's the story -- it was Boeing: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
Two words: reel mower Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:19:56 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas prices > I'm guessing stale gas if it needs carb work when it's less than five > years old, or maybe your gas is nasty and eats fuel pump diaphragms > (alcohol?). All gas here is now contaminated with E, all year round. (Don't know about the airstrip.) Not too happy about it, we have numerous things that sit long periods of time and don't burn it up in a week. The gas residue in the McCulloch was goo, but washed out of the tank. The motor ran fine on fresh fuel, it hadn't run in years. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: fruit drier
I just finished a second run of the drier. I'm no longer sure the thermostat is broken, I put a dial thermometer in there this time that I could see through the plastic door. It never got as warm in there as I'd thought, so I turned up the thermostat. That 600W element can't heat two buckets of plums up that far that fast! I think it got up to 120 degrees in there, and the target was 140. Though it drew more power this time it was done in less time, about 22kWH and 36 hours. The optimal target would be 24 hours or a bit less, one could do a load a day then and really put them away. I got another 6#. They're in freezer bags. The first batch has had time to equalize, the crunchy edges are gone and the whole prune is soft. Dry, but soft. I ate a few! The neighbor's (very prolific) tree is empty, so I guess I'm done for this year. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas and insurance prices
The operative words there are "I've had State Farm " The fact that the injured party didn't sue you does NOT mean they were not beaten, intimidated and screwed by SF. At 08:41 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > State F arm has a reputation (well earned) for never paying anyone > damaged by their insured. They tend to treat their own clients who > cause the damage much better. Don't know if they improved any in > recent years. In the past you had to make sure if you were hit, it > was not by some pinhead with a state F arm sticker. > > I will never buy any product from the crooks. My experience is different. I've had State Farm insurance for more than a decade. I have had several claims in that time, and never any problems. In the one case where we were at fault, I never heard any complaints from the other party about the settlement -- but I guess I really don't know if they had any trouble. If State Farm hadn't paid them, I can only assume they would have come to me for the money and that never happened. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
Jim Cathey wrote: I'm guessing stale gas if it needs carb work when it's less than five years old, or maybe your gas is nasty and eats fuel pump diaphragms (alcohol?). All gas here is now contaminated with E, all year round. (Don't know about the airstrip.) Avgas isn't contaminated with anything but tetra ethyl lead. That's why it can be stored for years and still smell like gasoline. Goo free gas is a must, lest your plane end up looking like Steve Fossett's. There are two standards for avgas, 100 octane low lead, which has less lead than the old 100/130 standard, but still twice the lead of twenty year old automotive leaded gas, and 82 octane unleaded. Nobody in the USA refines or distributes 82UL, so the only thing you'll find at the airport is 100LL (unless your name is Nendrik or Euan, they might still be able to get the high lead 100/130 avgas). I use 100LL in all the occasional stuff (generators, string trimmers, tillers, chain saws) and I run it in the lawn mower the last time I use it before winter. I use unleaded pump gas in the outboard, and feed the leftovers to the lawn tractor. I'd much rather run avgas in the outboard if only it didn't have lead in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerry's trip
Gerry: Delighted to hear your trip is still planned! I'd love to see some pix or a detailed description of your bed and supporting structure so I could consider making something similar. I like your no-curtain philosophy, and appreciate your suggestions of where to park. I've done the same in cars at ends of rest areas as well. Plus, I have tinted windows that would be pretty hard to see through at night. The story about the guy stealing the battery is hilarious! Dan On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The specially cut mattress and cover (done expertly by a mattress shop in Tennessee) and the supporting structure is in and ready to go, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
Two words: reel mower Reel funny. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerry's trip -- warning
From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Um, rest areas these days are known in many places to be gathering spots for, um, certain people to meet other people who share their, um, particular interests, and it might not be a good idea to stay there unless you want to be proximal party to some of the, um, expressions of those interests. I think the former governor of NJ enjoyed visiting certain rest areas, and not in his official capacity. Word up. --R --- Gerry: They were when I made my trips, but they never bothered me. --- Dan Weeks wrote: Gerry: Delighted to hear your trip is still planned! I'd love to see some pix or a detailed description of your bed and supporting structure so I could consider making something similar. I like your no-curtain philosophy, and appreciate your suggestions of where to park. I've done the same in cars at ends of rest areas as well. Plus, I have tinted windows that would be pretty hard to see through at night. The story about the guy stealing the battery is hilarious! Dan As soon as I get the car back from the mechanic, I'll send you pictures, Dan. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
I used to put 100 avgas in my car when I worked at the airport summers in college. 67 Buick Skylark ran really really well. I wish I still had that car. My buddy tried some in his 65 Skylark convert (sky blue with white interior, oh my) with the 445 Wildcat motor, oh wow He sold that car for cheap because the tranny was going bad, did not tell me he was gonna do that. I had my dad primed to buy it for my mother as we both thought she might need a car like that. Only problem with that strategy was that she drove like a banshee, would probably have totaled it right quick before we had our chances at it. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Avgas isn't contaminated with anything but tetra ethyl lead. That's why it can be stored for years and still smell like gasoline. Goo free gas is a must, lest your plane end up looking like Steve Fossett's. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas and insurance prices
LarryT wrote: I've been with SF for almost 40 years - home and cars - never even a little problem. In 1982 a State Farm insured driver ran a stop sign and wrecked my motorcycle. My parents worked for State Farm in the 1950's. The local SF agent was a good friend of theirs. He helped me file the claim with SF. The reply from the claims department: "If he wants his money, he can sue us". Larry's experience as a customer and my experience as a non-customer seem to match up with SF's reputation. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
Gerry, I would like to know the details of some of those experiences, nudge nudge wink wink!! Given your advanced experience, I would guess they might have occurred in cars from the 20s or 30s... --R Archer wrote: I've had previous cars with mattresses taking the place of the passengers seat and the back seat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerry's trip -- warning
Um, rest areas these days are known in many places to be gathering spots for, um, certain people to meet other people who share their, um, particular interests, and it might not be a good idea to stay there unless you want to be proximal party to some of the, um, expressions of those interests. I think the former governor of NJ enjoyed visiting certain rest areas, and not in his official capacity. Word up. --R Dan Weeks wrote: Gerry: Delighted to hear your trip is still planned! I'd love to see some pix or a detailed description of your bed and supporting structure so I could consider making something similar. I like your no-curtain philosophy, and appreciate your suggestions of where to park. I've done the same in cars at ends of rest areas as well. Plus, I have tinted windows that would be pretty hard to see through at night. The story about the guy stealing the battery is hilarious! Dan On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The specially cut mattress and cover (done expertly by a mattress shop in Tennessee) and the supporting structure is in and ready to go, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Larry wrote: "Thx Donald - Excellent videos! Unless of course you support barack hussien obama. The truth will eventually get out." I think you are right. I am getting more and more concerned that the truth will not come out until after Obama is elected. I think I will vote for Joe the Plumber. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
Gerry, I would like to know the details of some of those experiences, nudge nudge wink wink!! Given your advanced experience, I would guess they might have occurred in cars from the 20s or 30s... --R Archer wrote: I've had previous cars with mattresses taking the place of the passengers seat and the back seat. -- G: My first car was a 1935 Chevy with bucket seats and two doors. Not much lovin' in that car, but it did do numerous trips to the beach with a blanket. Had a 1946 panel truck with a cloth top (that leaked) and a hinged army cot in the back. Used it to make periodic business trips throughout south Florida in the winter season when you couldn't find a reasonable motel room anywhere. It also saw some interesting assignations with girls I met along the way. Then I got married and that was the end of the fun and games. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas and insurance prices
"Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > State F arm has a reputation (well earned) for never paying anyone > damaged by their insured. They tend to treat their own clients who > cause the damage much better. Don't know if they improved any in > recent years. In the past you had to make sure if you were hit, it > was not by some pinhead with a state F arm sticker. > > I will never buy any product from the crooks. My experience is different. I've had State Farm insurance for more than a decade. I have had several claims in that time, and never any problems. In the one case where we were at fault, I never heard any complaints from the other party about the settlement -- but I guess I really don't know if they had any trouble. If State Farm hadn't paid them, I can only assume they would have come to me for the money and that never happened. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Money
Jim Cathey wrote: When I was a child, I loved money. Coins, that is. I loved their many shapes, their colors, their various ridgy and smooth edges, the ringing sounds they made when you dropped them on the ground or bounced them on the table. What if they were gold, and had "In God We Trust" stamped on the edge? You can help circulate them, and your pockets can always jingle: http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/$1coin/?action=directShip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
It's probably different now than it was in the '80s. Suppose I'll find out. Gerry IMHO, Sleeping in a rest area would be very dangerous. They are infested with drug dealers (Making transfers) and hookers. In my Motorhome, when I need to sleep "On the road", I go to the small town police station and ask to park in the far corner on the lot or a church lot, never been refused. Pete -- Original message -- From: "Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That was me. Lot's of family problems came up, but while I was upgrading the '83 300D for the trip (putting in a new chain), the leg broke. Still hope to make a short trip in a couple of weeks after the physical therapist releases me. I could have finished the chain job now since I'm getting around fairly well with a cane and walker, but my daughter was so upset about finding me on the floor, I told her I would send the car to a mechanic. For some reason she connected working on the Mercedes with the accident. The car is at the mechanics (out in the woods). He is s-l-o-w but is supposed to do good work. I'll get back to working on the Merz after the doc says I can get down on the floor. Daughter will be okay with it by then. The specially cut mattress and cover (done expertly by a mattress shop in Tennessee) and the supporting structure is in and ready to go, and there isn't much else that needs to be done except routine service. I've had previous cars with mattresses taking the place of the passengers seat and the back seat. As Larry wrote: "With the curtains closed and the pop-top down, you could camp in that thing ANYWHERE, and no one knew there was anyone inside." I used a little different approach. By preference I would park in a rest area in the furthest space away from the rest rooms. I didn't use curtains because I found that made police suspicious when they came by and they would wake you up, look at your ID, etc. While sleeping I was below window level, so people would look through the window and think it was simply a parked car. Parking lots of closed bars were good places to sleep if rest areas were unavailable. Police never bothered me there. They must have thought somebody got too drunk to drive, got a ride home, and left his car. Was sleeping in a bar parking lot one night when I heard a noise. A guy was raising the hood up; probably aiming to steal the battery. About the time he got his head under the hood, I reached over with my toe and blew the horn. Heard this loud kerblam when the guy banged his head into the hood, and then he took off running the fastest I've ever seen anybody go. I wore very light clothes while on the road and slept with them so no one could accuse me of public nudity if they did look in the car and the blankets were askew. Every few days I would check into a motel, do laundry if necessary, and get a nights worth of very good sleep. It's a great feeling of freedom from responsibility and the cares of the world to wake up in your car at dawn and watch the sun coming up; no matter if you're on the plains, the desert, or along the seacoast. One more story: Drove into the Frisco Bay area one evening, went north on the coast road (north of the bay), and parked in a parking area high above the ocean. Woke up suddenly with the sensation that the car was shaking. Figured it was a dream and went back to sleep. Heard on the radio the next day that there had been an earthquake! This was during the late 1980s. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1727 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 8:02 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
Thanks, Bill. I can walk (with a big limp) unassisted for a short distance but the physical therapist wants me to use the cane for a while yet. Really making great progress, they tell me. Gerry - Good to hear from you, though we have been and I just didn't remember the name. Glad you are still up and kicking. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices
Jim Cathey wrote: The Stihl went in to the shop, and came out with a complete carburetor rebuild, no longer under warrantee. I'm guessing stale gas if it needs carb work when it's less than five years old, or maybe your gas is nasty and eats fuel pump diaphragms (alcohol?). Best bet is to head to the local airstrip and buy a couple gallons of 100LL for your two strokes. It's pure gasoline, and doesn't oxidize itself and carb internals like the oxygenated crap. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:18 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case anyone believes laptops and such can interfere with flight controls: Poor science, Roger. The anecdote doesn't prove they can't interfere, only that they didn't in this case. Last time I was on a plane the woman next to me, when the announcement went out to turn off all electronic devices, simply slipped her phone into her purse, still powered up. Doubt she even knew how to turn it off. (Don't most people leave their cells on all the time, even when charging? Experience in movie theaters, as well, suggests that the majority also aren't aware that the things have ring volume settings.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
So, my rear shocks are shot too, I'm planning to take up Rusty on his sale. But my spare tire is loose, and the securing hardware is missing. There's a sheet-metal construction in the center of the well with a screw thread in the middle. What's the mate look like? Can't say as I've ever seen an intact system at the U-Pull, and it's not the same as what any of our other cars have. Anybody got an extra 201 tire tiedown for cheep? I'd like to quiet the car down on bumps. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip
Oh man I am lovin it! As I get a bit older (hey, I have another year behind me today!) my dad's sisters are opening up a bit as to how things were back in their younger days, about your times I would think, and how certain upstanding members of the family behaved back then. It is too funny. As an old Roman said, ain't nuthin new under the sun! --R Archer wrote: G: My first car was a 1935 Chevy with bucket seats and two doors. Not much lovin' in that car, but it did do numerous trips to the beach with a blanket. Had a 1946 panel truck with a cloth top (that leaked) and a hinged army cot in the back. Used it to make periodic business trips throughout south Florida in the winter season when you couldn't find a reasonable motel room anywhere. It also saw some interesting assignations with girls I met along the way. Then I got married and that was the end of the fun and games. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive
It's kinda stupid to design aircraft flight controls that are subject to interference from cell phones and iPods and laptops, as had been stated some years ago. The real reason for bans on cell phones was to make a passenger use those usurious seat-back phones to make a call. I seem to recall the FAA doing extensive tests that showed no interference to any radios, controls, nav systems or whatever, which kinda makes sense if you think about the environment an aircraft flies in (lightning strikes?) and how that might affect things. Bad software and system design and upkeep are bigger worries. --R (If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going...) Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:18 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In case anyone believes laptops and such can interfere with flight controls: Poor science, Roger. The anecdote doesn't prove they can't interfere, only that they didn't in this case. Last time I was on a plane the woman next to me, when the announcement went out to turn off all electronic devices, simply slipped her phone into her purse, still powered up. Doubt she even knew how to turn it off. (Don't most people leave their cells on all the time, even when charging? Experience in movie theaters, as well, suggests that the majority also aren't aware that the things have ring volume settings.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
Some of you may recall, our historic family farm has been forced into sale. Partial listing will be found at www.sullivanauctioneers.com within the next few days. There will be on-line bidding for the land and some items. If anyone is interested in non-land items for online bidding, be sure to contact the auctioneers. How often do you have an opportunity to buy a COMPLETE historic district? This sale includes the entire Faeth Farmstead Historic District. Most of it is in tract 1, with a small piece in tract 2. It is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This land has been in the family since 1832, and is the oldest orchard West of the Mississippi, and just a few miles from the site of the first land grant west of the Mississippi and North of the Des Moines River, a grant to Louis Honore Tesson from the King of France, in the 1700s. Tesson established the first orchard west of the Mississippi here, long before the Louisiana Purchase. There is a lot of history here. This is an ideal site for any Horticultural crop, including orchard, vineyards and vegetable crops, as well as land for row crops. Complete truck farm equipment will be on the sale. This was one of Iowa's 54 licensed Native Wineries. Iowa has a long history of grape and wine production up until WWII when the government directed row crop farming for the war effort. There is a new Renaissance of wineries and grape production in Iowa. Our juice and retail building is an ideal building for a winery. Both of the listed JD tractors have had recent major overhaul by JD mechanics. the 1530 probably has about 200 hr since the OH and the 2020 I believe is under 100 hr since the OH and also has new rear tires. The 1530 was purchased new in 1974, and was assembled at the Mannheim Works in Germany. The 2020 is a 1968 and we purchased it in 1971, Both are really good tractors. If you have any questions, please ask. Loren Faeth may be reached at 515 450 0717 Outside the auction Loren has for sale my JD5500N low/narrow orchard/vineyard tractor. It is a great tractor. It has a 4cyl turbodiesel I think the engine HP is 80. Transmission is 3 x 4 12 speed with forward/reverse shuttle. PTO is 540 Rpm with std and economy setting. It pulls our NW430 Bean sprayer (30 GPM Bean Royal pump) very easily. It has low hours. It has a cab, so makes a good mowing or spraying tractor. Fuel consumption is half that of the Massey or other JD tractors w/o turbo and economy PTO. There are two remote Hyd, with Pioneer couplings, and a third live line that I believe was used for a hydraulic motor edger on a mower. It is Mechanical FWD. This is a nice unit! I purchased it with a home equity loan on my house, so I need to sell it, since I no longer have a use for it. After the dust settles, I will be selling my 87 300TD, and 80 240D manual. For sale now is my 300SDL, 1987. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gerrys trip--To BillR, Gary, Mitch, Larry, Dan, and the group
IMHO, Sleeping in a rest area would be very dangerous. They are infested with drug dealers (Making transfers) and hookers. In my Motorhome, when I need to sleep "On the road", I go to the small town police station and ask to park in the far corner on the lot or a church lot, never been refused. Pete -- Original message -- From: "Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That was me. Lot's of family problems came up, but while I was upgrading the > '83 300D for the trip (putting in a new chain), the leg broke. Still hope to > make a short trip in a couple of weeks after the physical therapist releases > me. > I could have finished the chain job now since I'm getting around fairly well > with a cane and walker, but my daughter was so upset about finding me on the > floor, I told her I would send the car to a mechanic. For some reason she > connected working on the Mercedes with the accident. The car is at the > mechanics (out in the woods). He is s-l-o-w but is supposed to do good work. > > I'll get back to working on the Merz after the doc says I can get down on the > floor. Daughter will be okay with it by then. > > The specially cut mattress and cover (done expertly by a mattress shop in > Tennessee) and the supporting structure is in and ready to go, and there > isn't > much else that needs to be done except routine service. > > I've had previous cars with mattresses taking the place of the passengers > seat > and the back seat. > > As Larry wrote: > "With the curtains closed and the pop-top down, you could camp in that thing > ANYWHERE, and no one knew there was anyone inside." > > I used a little different approach. By preference I would park in a rest > area > in the furthest space away from the rest rooms. I didn't use curtains > because I > found that made police suspicious when they came by and they would wake you > up, > look at your ID, etc. While sleeping I was below window level, so people > would > look through the window and think it was simply a parked car. > > Parking lots of closed bars were good places to sleep if rest areas were > unavailable. Police never bothered me there. They must have thought > somebody > got too drunk to drive, got a ride home, and left his car. > > Was sleeping in a bar parking lot one night when I heard a noise. A guy was > raising the hood up; probably aiming to steal the battery. About the time he > got his head under the hood, I reached over with my toe and blew the horn. > Heard this loud kerblam when the guy banged his head into the hood, and then > he > took off running the fastest I've ever seen anybody go. > > I wore very light clothes while on the road and slept with them so no one > could > accuse me of public nudity if they did look in the car and the blankets were > askew. Every few days I would check into a motel, do laundry if necessary, > and > get a nights worth of very good sleep. > > It's a great feeling of freedom from responsibility and the cares of the > world > to wake up in your car at dawn and watch the sun coming up; no matter if > you're > on the plains, the desert, or along the seacoast. > > One more story: > Drove into the Frisco Bay area one evening, went north on the coast road > (north > of the bay), and parked in a parking area high above the ocean. Woke up > suddenly with the sensation that the car was shaking. Figured it was a dream > and went back to sleep. Heard on the radio the next day that there had been > an > earthquake! This was during the late 1980s. > > Gerry > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Donald, Like you, I fear that the "truth" will surface after the fact.. And a question for all - I have heard that "your earnings" under $250,000 or $200,000 (two versions out there) won't have any increase in taxes. What is meant by "earnings" - Gross income, Adjusted Gross Income or Taxable Income?? Big difference! Anyone hazard a guess? Maybe it's not defined on purpose and the milling throngs just get sucked in by "no new taxes" or maybe it's "sharing the wealth". Take care, Chuck On Oct 16, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: "Thx Donald - Excellent videos! Unless of course you support barack hussien obama. The truth will eventually get out." I think you are right. I am getting more and more concerned that the truth will not come out until after Obama is elected. I think I will vote for Joe the Plumber. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
Where are you moving to? On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Some of you may recall, our historic family farm has been forced into sale. > Partial listing will be found at www.sullivanauctioneers.com within the > next few days. There will be on-line bidding for the land and some items. > If anyone is interested in non-land items for online bidding, be sure to > contact the auctioneers. > > How often do you have an opportunity to buy a COMPLETE historic district? > > This sale includes the entire Faeth Farmstead Historic District. Most of it > is in tract 1, with a small piece in tract 2. It is listed on the National > Register of Historic Places. This land has been in the family since 1832, > and is the oldest orchard West of the Mississippi, and just a few miles from > the site of the first land grant west of the Mississippi and North of the > Des Moines River, a grant to Louis Honore Tesson from the King of France, in > the 1700s. Tesson established the first orchard west of the Mississippi > here, long before the Louisiana Purchase. There is a lot of history here. > > This is an ideal site for any Horticultural crop, including orchard, > vineyards and vegetable crops, as well as land for row crops. Complete > truck farm equipment will be on the sale. This was one of Iowa's 54 > licensed Native Wineries. Iowa has a long history of grape and wine > production up until WWII when the government directed row crop farming for > the war effort. There is a new Renaissance of wineries and grape production > in Iowa. Our juice and retail building is an ideal building for a winery. > > Both of the listed JD tractors have had recent major overhaul by JD > mechanics. the 1530 probably has about 200 hr since the OH and the 2020 I > believe is under 100 hr since the OH and also has new rear tires. The 1530 > was purchased new in 1974, and was assembled at the Mannheim Works in > Germany. The 2020 is a 1968 and we purchased it in 1971, Both are really > good tractors. > > If you have any questions, please ask. Loren Faeth may be reached at 515 > 450 0717 > > Outside the auction Loren has for sale my JD5500N low/narrow > orchard/vineyard tractor. It is a great tractor. It has a 4cyl turbodiesel > I think the engine HP is 80. Transmission is 3 x 4 12 speed with > forward/reverse shuttle. PTO is 540 Rpm with std and economy setting. It > pulls our NW430 Bean sprayer (30 GPM Bean Royal pump) very easily. It has > low hours. It has a cab, so makes a good mowing or spraying tractor. Fuel > consumption is half that of the Massey or other JD tractors w/o turbo and > economy PTO. There are two remote Hyd, with Pioneer couplings, and a third > live line that I believe was used for a hydraulic motor edger on a mower. > It is Mechanical FWD. This is a nice unit! I purchased it with a home > equity loan on my house, so I need to sell it, since I no longer have a use > for it. > > After the dust settles, I will be selling my 87 300TD, and 80 240D manual. > For sale now is my 300SDL, 1987. > > > > > Loren Faeth > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
I know - let's make taxes optional or "pay what you feel like". On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Donald, > > Like you, I fear that the "truth" will surface after the fact.. > And a question for all - I have heard that "your earnings" under $250,000 > or $200,000 (two versions out there) won't have any increase in taxes. What > is meant by "earnings" - Gross income, Adjusted Gross Income or Taxable > Income?? Big difference! Anyone hazard a guess? > > Maybe it's not defined on purpose and the milling throngs just get sucked > in by "no new taxes" or maybe it's "sharing the wealth". > > Take care, > > Chuck > > > On Oct 16, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > > Larry wrote: "Thx Donald - Excellent videos! Unless of course you support >> barack hussien obama. The truth will eventually get out." >> >> I think you are right. I am getting more and more concerned that the truth >> will not come out until after Obama is elected. >> >> I think I will vote for Joe the Plumber. >> Donald H. Snook >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gerry's trip
On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As soon as I get the car back from the mechanic, I'll send you pictures, Dan. Gerry Thanks, Gerry! I look forward to seeing 'em Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] One For Kaleb....
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/pts/881366595.html Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble '87 190DT '85 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I know - let's make taxes optional or "pay what you feel like". That seems to be the plan for mortgages, so I say why not? The more the merrier. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Chuck Landenberger wrote: Maybe it's not defined on purpose and the milling throngs just get sucked in by "no new taxes" or maybe it's "sharing the wealth". It'll be 'sharing the wealth', for 'Bama is more socialist than Gore or Hillary. The way I heard it (may need confirmation) is that Barry wants all the Bush tax cuts to expire, then he "won't raise taxes" beyond that level we paid under Clinton. That would mean losing the retirement saver's credit for low income households, the 100% deduction on health insurance for the self employed, the $1000 child tax credit, the additional child tax credit, the §121 home sale profit exclusion, the 10% tax bracket, the reduced tax rates on capital gains and qualified dividends, ... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
I'm not moving. I live 200 miles away At 10:26 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote: Where are you moving to? On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Some of you may recall, our historic family farm has been forced into sale. > Partial listing will be found at www.sullivanauctioneers.com within the > next few days. There will be on-line bidding for the land and some items. > If anyone is interested in non-land items for online bidding, be sure to > contact the auctioneers. > > How often do you have an opportunity to buy a COMPLETE historic district? > > This sale includes the entire Faeth Farmstead Historic District. Most of it > is in tract 1, with a small piece in tract 2. It is listed on the National > Register of Historic Places. This land has been in the family since 1832, > and is the oldest orchard West of the Mississippi, and just a few miles from > the site of the first land grant west of the Mississippi and North of the > Des Moines River, a grant to Louis Honore Tesson from the King of France, in > the 1700s. Tesson established the first orchard west of the Mississippi > here, long before the Louisiana Purchase. There is a lot of history here. > > This is an ideal site for any Horticultural crop, including orchard, > vineyards and vegetable crops, as well as land for row crops. Complete > truck farm equipment will be on the sale. This was one of Iowa's 54 > licensed Native Wineries. Iowa has a long history of grape and wine > production up until WWII when the government directed row crop farming for > the war effort. There is a new Renaissance of wineries and grape production > in Iowa. Our juice and retail building is an ideal building for a winery. > > Both of the listed JD tractors have had recent major overhaul by JD > mechanics. the 1530 probably has about 200 hr since the OH and the 2020 I > believe is under 100 hr since the OH and also has new rear tires. The 1530 > was purchased new in 1974, and was assembled at the Mannheim Works in > Germany. The 2020 is a 1968 and we purchased it in 1971, Both are really > good tractors. > > If you have any questions, please ask. Loren Faeth may be reached at 515 > 450 0717 > > Outside the auction Loren has for sale my JD5500N low/narrow > orchard/vineyard tractor. It is a great tractor. It has a 4cyl turbodiesel > I think the engine HP is 80. Transmission is 3 x 4 12 speed with > forward/reverse shuttle. PTO is 540 Rpm with std and economy setting. It > pulls our NW430 Bean sprayer (30 GPM Bean Royal pump) very easily. It has > low hours. It has a cab, so makes a good mowing or spraying tractor. Fuel > consumption is half that of the Massey or other JD tractors w/o turbo and > economy PTO. There are two remote Hyd, with Pioneer couplings, and a third > live line that I believe was used for a hydraulic motor edger on a mower. > It is Mechanical FWD. This is a nice unit! I purchased it with a home > equity loan on my house, so I need to sell it, since I no longer have a use > for it. > > After the dust settles, I will be selling my 87 300TD, and 80 240D manual. > For sale now is my 300SDL, 1987. > > > > > Loren Faeth > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Well, Andrew - One would perhaps think that no one would pay anything. but, consider that some Americans contributed $2,146,846.54 so far during 2008 and $2,624,862.42 in 2007 to reduce the National Debt under the terms of P.L 87-58. Those funds go to debt reduction only and never are touched by Congress. For more information: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm and/or http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/ faq_publicdebt.htm#DebtFinance If you choose to contribute, scroll down to the bottom of the second link Take care and be safe.. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:29 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I know - let's make taxes optional or "pay what you feel like". On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Donald, Like you, I fear that the "truth" will surface after the fact.. And a question for all - I have heard that "your earnings" under $250,000 or $200,000 (two versions out there) won't have any increase in taxes. What is meant by "earnings" - Gross income, Adjusted Gross Income or Taxable Income?? Big difference! Anyone hazard a guess? Maybe it's not defined on purpose and the milling throngs just get sucked in by "no new taxes" or maybe it's "sharing the wealth". Take care, Chuck On Oct 16, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Larry wrote: "Thx Donald - Excellent videos! Unless of course you support barack hussien obama. The truth will eventually get out." I think you are right. I am getting more and more concerned that the truth will not come out until after Obama is elected. I think I will vote for Joe the Plumber. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive
This "bug" or something similar has crashed at least two Airbus 320's that I know of, one at the Paris Air Show -- in that case the computer shut off the throttles repeatedly on takeoff and kept pushing the nose down. The French, predictably, blamed it on the flight crew for "exceeding the flight envelope" and "not putting the computer in manual mode", which at the time was complicated. The other case was an Air India 320 that "landed" a couple miles short of the runway, lucking on a golf course so there were few casualties. Again, the computers put the aircraft into a "non-flying" mode and it took too long for the pilots to revert to manual fly-by-wire. I don't think the fly-by-wire is the real problem, just the "smart" part -- I've been informed that other aircraft with "smart" fly-by-wire have a big red button readily available that when pressed instantly drops the "smart" part so you have simple fly-by-wire rather than computer controlled flight with "data input" from the controls. A "bunt" like the Quantas plane appears to have performed can over-stress the air frame, too. And I wonder, wasn't that Egyptian plane that did the porpoise thing and crash in the Mediterranean an Airbus? They blamed that one on the pilot committing suicide, too . Maybe the flight controls just went nuts and he couldn't remember (or manage) the multi-stop process to get the damned thing to let him fly the plane! Peter -Original Message- >From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Oct 16, 2008 8:48 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive > >"Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> It seems that the Airbus planes have a lot of flt control issues. > >I can't recall now whether it was Airbus or Boeing, but one or the other >was outfitting their new planes with internet service for passengers, >and did not physically isolate that network from the navigation and >flight control network. I'm not sure anything really bad happened but I >recall someone did a proof of concept that showed it was possible for a >person on the passenger side of the network to interfere with the flight >control network traffic. > >Ah, here's the story -- it was Boeing: >http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security > > >Allan >-- >1983 300D > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] whatever happened to...
Dan Weeks wrote: a pop-up doesn't offer a hard-body security, which with all my gear and the places I go, I really need. That brings us to teardrop trailers, which are cool but expensive, and you still have to tow them around. Have you looked at A-liners? http://www.aliner.com/design/Xterior/homepage.php?Type=TEXTLEFT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Andrew has hit on a wonderful idea. I think it should be implemented forthwith, much like the contribution to the election fund is on your tax form. Put a bunch of check boxes on the form with suggested payment amounts to maintain/grow the programs, e.g., National Defense Infrastructure Construction Research ( with sub-categories) Health Care Energy Independence Research "Affordable" Housing Education Pork Projects Wealth Redistribution etc etc. Some details of categories and such would have to be worked out. We will then see how valuable these various things are to the people who pay the freight. No different from when I walk into a store, look at a price tag, and ask myself if I really need or want that. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I know - let's make taxes optional or "pay what you feel like". ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Medical helicopters crashes
There have been at least 12 serious crashes involving medical helicopters in the last year, according to news reports. In June, a federal safety official said accidents of medical aircraft are at a "disturbing" level. "We're very concerned about that," National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Mark Rosenker told news reporters. Wednesday's crash brings total fatalities this year to at least 28. Before this year, the most killed in medical helicopter crashes was 18, in 2004, according to the federal agency. Recent crashes: .Wednesday: A medical helicopter transporting a 1-year-old patient to Children's Memorial Hospital in Chicago struck a radio tower wire and crashed in Aurora, killing the child and three crew members. .Sept. 28: The pilot of a medical helicopter twice radioed for help in foggy weather before crashing in a park in suburban Washington, D.C., killing four of the five people on board. .Aug. 31: A medical helicopter crashed into a farm field 40 miles southeast of Indianapolis shortly after takeoff, killing three crew members aboard. .June 29: Two medical helicopters collided near Flagstaff Medical Center in Arizona, killing seven people, including two patients, two nurses and a paramedic. .June 8: A helicopter on its way to a Houston hospital crashed in a national forest, killing all four people aboard, including a patient, nurse and flight paramedic. .May 11: A University of Wisconsin Hospital flight crew went down near the LaCrosse airport after dropping off a patient. A surgeon, nurse and pilot died. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-helicopter-crash-tallyoct17,0,3230172,print.story - Coincidences? Theories? Gerry (who rode one to the hospital in July.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive
Flying on Winders NT4 or 95? Or even 2003/2008. NO thanks! Leave me out, please! Oh wait! French, so there is a Penguin flying the plane! Well, leave me out anyway! At 11:59 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote: This "bug" or something similar has crashed at least two Airbus 320's that I know of, one at the Paris Air Show -- in that case the computer shut off the throttles repeatedly on takeoff and kept pushing the nose down. The French, predictably, blamed it on the flight crew for "exceeding the flight envelope" and "not putting the computer in manual mode", which at the time was complicated. The other case was an Air India 320 that "landed" a couple miles short of the runway, lucking on a golf course so there were few casualties. Again, the computers put the aircraft into a "non-flying" mode and it took too long for the pilots to revert to manual fly-by-wire. I don't think the fly-by-wire is the real problem, just the "smart" part -- I've been informed that other aircraft with "smart" fly-by-wire have a big red button readily available that when pressed instantly drops the "smart" part so you have simple fly-by-wire rather than computer controlled flight with "data input" from the controls. A "bunt" like the Quantas plane appears to have performed can over-stress the air frame, too. And I wonder, wasn't that Egyptian plane that did the porpoise thing and crash in the Mediterranean an Airbus? They blamed that one on the pilot committing suicide, too . Maybe the flight controls just went nuts and he couldn't remember (or manage) the multi-stop process to get the damned thing to let him fly the plane! Peter -Original Message- >From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Oct 16, 2008 8:48 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] QUANTAS dive > >"Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> It seems that the Airbus planes have a lot of flt control issues. > >I can't recall now whether it was Airbus or Boeing, but one or the other >was outfitting their new planes with internet service for passengers, >and did not physically isolate that network from the navigation and >flight control network. I'm not sure anything really bad happened but I >recall someone did a proof of concept that showed it was possible for a >person on the passenger side of the network to interfere with the flight >control network traffic. > >Ah, here's the story -- it was Boeing: >http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security > > >Allan >-- >1983 300D > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
I would opt to fund only the enumerated powers in the constitution. At 12:24 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: Andrew has hit on a wonderful idea. I think it should be implemented forthwith, much like the contribution to the election fund is on your tax form. Put a bunch of check boxes on the form with suggested payment amounts to maintain/grow the programs, e.g., National Defense Infrastructure Construction Research ( with sub-categories) Health Care Energy Independence Research "Affordable" Housing Education Pork Projects Wealth Redistribution etc etc. Some details of categories and such would have to be worked out. We will then see how valuable these various things are to the people who pay the freight. No different from when I walk into a store, look at a price tag, and ask myself if I really need or want that. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I know - let's make taxes optional or "pay what you feel like". ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Loren Faeth wrote: I would opt to fund only the enumerated powers in the constitution. And what are they supposed to do with the other 95% of your taxes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Uh, let me keep my OWN money! Think what stimulus THAT would give the economy! At 12:52 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: I would opt to fund only the enumerated powers in the constitution. And what are they supposed to do with the other 95% of your taxes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special tool I was told I need. I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday and it seems to me the 190D needs to be parked until the brakes get replaced. The only damage I saw to a rotor was the drivers side rear which had a very thin line cut into it. So since the car is unusable, I marched (literally. well, being pulled by my Doberman) down to AutoJoke and got their cheapest pads. $15 or so for front, $25 or so for rear. Why the rear was more expensive, I dont know. Was surprised to see that that very little or no hardware came with them. They guy sold me two packets of pin lube. Sounds familiar. But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they are hooked via cable to the emergency brake. So I bought the tool ($55), but the promise is that I can return it for full refund, though they didnt put this in writing as I asked them to. Im hoping I dont run into any more unexpected difficulties. Hoping I can find the manual CD and that it covers brake jobs. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gas prices - raising food in cities
http://www.echonet.org/ in N. Ft. Myers, FL can provide you some ideas to get started on a smaller scale right now. One of their projects was the development of roof top and window gardens for Russia. I've wandered through gardens 'planted' in everything from old carpet and used guttering to piles of soda cans. Interesting place. If you are ever in the Ft. Myers area I highly recommend a stop and tour there. It is free, and they also sell books and seeds [sent free to missionary types around the world]. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas prices The future of food in the cities is urban farming, maybe in aquaculture skyscrapers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
On some american cars, the pistons on the rear brakes screw out to actuate the parking brake as well as slide in and out with brake pedal pressure (or some such) and you have to screw then back in to put new pads in. Unless I'm very seriously mistaken, the 190 has the standard MB parking brake drum in the rear rotor and the caliper is a normal ATE -- pull the pads, push the pistons back, put new pads in. If you have worn rotors, they need to be replaced, else the rear brakes will get stuck and drag. Peter -Original Message- >From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question > > Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special > tool I was told I need. > >I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday and it seems to me >the 190D needs to be parked until the brakes get replaced. The only >damage I saw to a rotor was the drivers side rear which had a very >thin line cut into it. > >So since the car is unusable, I marched (literally. well, being pulled >by my Doberman) down to AutoJoke and got their cheapest pads. $15 or >so for front, $25 or so for rear. Why the rear was more expensive, I >dont know. > >Was surprised to see that that very little or no hardware came with them. > >They guy sold me two packets of pin lube. Sounds familiar. > >But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the >rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they >are hooked via cable to the emergency brake. > >So I bought the tool ($55), but the promise is that I can return it >for full refund, though they didnt put this in writing as I asked them >to. > >Im hoping I dont run into any more unexpected difficulties. Hoping I >can find the manual CD and that it covers brake jobs. > >Brian >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Zoltan Finks wrote: > But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they are hooked via cable to the emergency brake. The older cars have drum parking brakes inside the disks, I thought the W201/124 did too. If so, the parking brake and caliper are unrelated and the tool to screw in the parking brake adjuster on a piston is useless. BTW, the piston tool is probably less than $55 at Autozone and they will loan it to you if you put up a deposit equal to the retail price. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Andrew wrote: "I know - let's make taxes optional or "pay what you feel like"." Good idea. How about 10% OR we could make it based on the governmental services you use. I don't have any children, so I should save money on education, I am not on medicare (in fact, I wouldn't mind just opting out now), Social security is going to go bankrupt, so let me keep that, I have to pay a toll to drive on the only highway I drive on (most of the time), I am law abiding (most of the time), so I don't need my share of police protection, I don't grow crops, I am not a veteran, I don't get any subsidies, so how about 10%. That seems fair. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Medical helicopters crashes
They are pushed to fly in marginal conditions, to unlighted, unmarked, unfamiliar places, amidst various impediments, often at low altitude and high speeds, day and night (mostly at night I think). In Houston 2 or 3 have crashed in recent years, that was sorta the consensus on them. Due to the types of life-threatening injuries they are dealing with, getting the patient to the hospital quickly is a very strong incentive to the pilots (who obviously have no interest in crashing). It is a fairly hazardous occupation, and by its nature is sorta uncontrolled. In Houston the trauma hospital was about 2 miles away, and I would see the choppers all the time flying off to pick up people, very low and very fast over my house. My neighbor was a trauma surgeon there, he talked about the time factor of getting someone to the hospital fast (which is why the helicopters are used), minutes/seconds mean much more for severely injured people than for the average walk-in. We used to play Ultimate on the park field right across the street, there were 2-3 copters they had, and often times one would be hovering (right above us, kinda scary) waiting for another to land or take off, right in the middle of a dense area (Medical Center). They launched very quickly in various directions (wind sometimes an issue), minimal run-up (sometimes left running) and that sort of thing. I always marveled that there had not been a crash into the building. One Sunday aft there was a big car crash on a freeway somewhere, 6 or 7 people hurt very badly, they were running in and out of there almost without landing on the roof (though they actually did, but it was like a 30 sec turnaround), one hovering and waiting for the other to leave. We all remarked on that activity. Some of our guys were docs there, they filled us in the next week, and my neighbor told me about it too --R Archer wrote: There have been at least 12 serious crashes involving medical helicopters in the last year, according to news reports. In June, a federal safety official said accidents of medical aircraft are at a "disturbing" level. "We're very concerned about that," National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Mark Rosenker told news reporters. Wednesday's crash brings total fatalities this year to at least 28. Before this year, the most killed in medical helicopter crashes was 18, in 2004, according to the federal agency. Recent crashes: .Wednesday: A medical helicopter transporting a 1-year-old patient to Children's Memorial Hospital in Chicago struck a radio tower wire and crashed in Aurora, killing the child and three crew members. .Sept. 28: The pilot of a medical helicopter twice radioed for help in foggy weather before crashing in a park in suburban Washington, D.C., killing four of the five people on board. .Aug. 31: A medical helicopter crashed into a farm field 40 miles southeast of Indianapolis shortly after takeoff, killing three crew members aboard. .June 29: Two medical helicopters collided near Flagstaff Medical Center in Arizona, killing seven people, including two patients, two nurses and a paramedic. .June 8: A helicopter on its way to a Houston hospital crashed in a national forest, killing all four people aboard, including a patient, nurse and flight paramedic. .May 11: A University of Wisconsin Hospital flight crew went down near the LaCrosse airport after dropping off a patient. A surgeon, nurse and pilot died. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-helicopter-crash-tallyoct17,0,3230172,print.story - Coincidences? Theories? Gerry (who rode one to the hospital in July.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Good for you. All i have ever used is a crapsman 5/16 x 8" screwdriver to squeeze between the rotor and the old pad. Front and rear. Don't know if the 201 has different rears. The ATE calipers are easy. my 124 front has girling and they are not so easy. I can't remember what i had to do to change the girlings, but it is doable. The price for the fronts sounds right for ATE. Not sure why the rears are pricier. May your 201 has girling rears? At 01:08 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special tool I was told I need. I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday and it seems to me the 190D needs to be parked until the brakes get replaced. The only damage I saw to a rotor was the drivers side rear which had a very thin line cut into it. So since the car is unusable, I marched (literally. well, being pulled by my Doberman) down to AutoJoke and got their cheapest pads. $15 or so for front, $25 or so for rear. Why the rear was more expensive, I dont know. Was surprised to see that that very little or no hardware came with them. They guy sold me two packets of pin lube. Sounds familiar. But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they are hooked via cable to the emergency brake. So I bought the tool ($55), but the promise is that I can return it for full refund, though they didnt put this in writing as I asked them to. Im hoping I dont run into any more unexpected difficulties. Hoping I can find the manual CD and that it covers brake jobs. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
My indy has a 1978 300D that someone just traded in on a newer 300E. So, I have some questions. The body is in really good shape, it was a one owner car that spent 29 or the last 30 years in Austin. They moved here last year. It has what I guess are old style glow plugs - each one is connected with this old looking wire that is sort of squiggly. The a/c works, but it has no sunroof. No rust. The driver's seat is pretty flat. It has 245,000 miles. The heater does not work and there is something called the heater box, unplugged under the hood. What kind of fuel mileage will these get? Are they complete dogs with no turbo? What is the heater box problem all about? I can trade him for my Volvo for $1000 (I think I can get him down to $700). Anyone want to buy a really nice 1990 Volvo 240? $2300 Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Aliners
On Oct 16, 2008, at 1:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Weeks wrote: a pop-up doesn't offer a hard-body security, which with all my gear and the places I go, I really need. That brings us to teardrop trailers, which are cool but expensive, and you still have to tow them around. Have you looked at A-liners? http://www.aliner.com/design/Xterior/homepage.php?Type=TEXTLEFT Yes, I have, actually. Probably the best combination of low-windage, space, and security, but still more than I want to pay. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Huh. Very cool. A little drum brake inside the rotor. I will look for that. Yes, the guy at Autozone said the tool was needed because of a ratchet or gear setup that is actuated by E brake cable. If I dont have that, then thats great. I was told I am renting the tool, and the $55 is a deposit. But essentially I bought it. All I know is they had better refund my money like they promised. Wonder though, how do I adjust the E brake so it will be more effective. As it is now, you pull the handle just about all the way and it almost does the job. Brian On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On some american cars, the pistons on the rear brakes screw out to actuate > the parking brake as well as slide in and out with brake pedal pressure (or > some such) and you have to screw then back in to put new pads in. Unless > I'm very seriously mistaken, the 190 has the standard MB parking brake drum > in the rear rotor and the caliper is a normal ATE -- pull the pads, push the > pistons back, put new pads in. > > If you have worn rotors, they need to be replaced, else the rear brakes > will get stuck and drag. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > >From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question > > > > Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special > > tool I was told I need. > > > >I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday and it seems to me > >the 190D needs to be parked until the brakes get replaced. The only > >damage I saw to a rotor was the drivers side rear which had a very > >thin line cut into it. > > > >So since the car is unusable, I marched (literally. well, being pulled > >by my Doberman) down to AutoJoke and got their cheapest pads. $15 or > >so for front, $25 or so for rear. Why the rear was more expensive, I > >dont know. > > > >Was surprised to see that that very little or no hardware came with them. > > > >They guy sold me two packets of pin lube. Sounds familiar. > > > >But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the > >rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they > >are hooked via cable to the emergency brake. > > > >So I bought the tool ($55), but the promise is that I can return it > >for full refund, though they didnt put this in writing as I asked them > >to. > > > >Im hoping I dont run into any more unexpected difficulties. Hoping I > >can find the manual CD and that it covers brake jobs. > > > >Brian > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
i get about 20 to 22 with that car. i think they are ok with no turbo, but i know people who would consider the same car with 250HP to be a dog. don't know about your heater box. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My indy has a 1978 300D that someone just traded in on a newer 300E. So, I > have some questions. The body is in really good shape, it was a one owner > car that spent 29 or the last 30 years in Austin. They moved here last year. > It has what I guess are old style glow plugs - each one is connected with > this old looking wire that is sort of squiggly. The a/c works, but it has > no sunroof. No rust. The driver's seat is pretty flat. It has 245,000 > miles. The heater does not work and there is something called the heater > box, unplugged under the hood. > > What kind of fuel mileage will these get? > > Are they complete dogs with no turbo? > > What is the heater box problem all about? > > I can trade him for my Volvo for $1000 (I think I can get him down to > $700). > > Anyone want to buy a really nice 1990 Volvo 240? $2300 > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Here's a MB I have never seen before
It's a 116 450SEL wagon. I want it. http://tiny.cc/XBIu1 Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, "we need to spread the wealth around." Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The > Plumber and in what context?? > > Wilton > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big hike in your tax bill.* * McCain's claim that Obama "will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue" - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is incorrect because of how income is taxed. If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise. But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff - in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%. "While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates," said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a "small business" - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The > Plumber and in what context?? > > Wilton > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
Rich wrote: "The heater box I don't know about, might be the thing that routes hot water around? Is it toward the front with a bunch of pipes in/out?" Yes. It is toward the front and it does have pipes. It also has a way to unplug the wires to it. I didn't try just plugging it back in. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
Rich wrote: "The glow plug thing is just how it is, they are in a series and those wires are resistive elements (DO NOT touch them to see if the GPs are getting juice -- you will find out right quick.). I think there is a retrofit for parallel, not sure what the worth of that would be other than a bad GP will kill the juice, and none will glow so you have to sort that out." What does the little knob that you turn on the dash below the cluster near the steering column on left hand side do? (I had two 123 diesels, but neither of them had that - both were newer 82, 84.) Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Wonko the Sane wrote: From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Is this any more reliable than the so-called Factcheck by Washington Post? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
Donald Snook wrote: What does the little knob that you turn on the dash below the cluster near the steering column on left hand side do? (I had two 123 diesels, but neither of them had that - both were newer 82, 84.) If it's near the light switch, it might be the vacuum leveler for the euro lamps. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Medical helicopters crashes
They fly what are pretty much standard Coast Guard SAR missions-- except they are flying in places where there is lots of stuff to bump in to, rather than over water. Why so many in one year? The same reason that the USCG goes for several years without an aircraft accident, and then suddenly someone smacks one into a cliff or plunks one down into the water: the luck of the draw complicated by a pilot pushing the limits one time too many. I read something recently about the cause being related to a shortage of night vision goggles, but have trouble believing that is a significant contributing factor. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Coincidences? Theories? > > Gerry (who rode one to the hospital in July.) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
My 79 TD is non-turbo, it moves at a stately pace, you just need to think ahead a bit on merging up hill on the freeway. Other than that it is fine, just no speed demon. It will run all day flat out, which seems to be maybe 85 or so? Use the throttle as an on/off switch most of the time. Last time I really looked, low 20s seemed reasonable. 245k is just getting broken in. The glow plug thing is just how it is, they are in a series and those wires are resistive elements (DO NOT touch them to see if the GPs are getting juice -- you will find out right quick.). I think there is a retrofit for parallel, not sure what the worth of that would be other than a bad GP will kill the juice, and none will glow so you have to sort that out. The heater box I don't know about, might be the thing that routes hot water around? Is it toward the front with a bunch of pipes in/out? These are pretty simple cars, aside from the ACC, and sometimes the vac system, but that is the deal with all of them. --R Donald Snook wrote: My indy has a 1978 300D that someone just traded in on a newer 300E. So, I have some questions. The body is in really good shape, it was a one owner car that spent 29 or the last 30 years in Austin. They moved here last year. It has what I guess are old style glow plugs - each one is connected with this old looking wire that is sort of squiggly. The a/c works, but it has no sunroof. No rust. The driver's seat is pretty flat. It has 245,000 miles. The heater does not work and there is something called the heater box, unplugged under the hood. What kind of fuel mileage will these get? Are they complete dogs with no turbo? What is the heater box problem all about? I can trade him for my Volvo for $1000 (I think I can get him down to $700). Anyone want to buy a really nice 1990 Volvo 240? $2300 Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Joe is right! We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting for high taxes made way higher. At 01:49 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: From http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money to be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big hike in your tax bill.* * McCain's claim that Obama "will increase taxes on 50% of small business revenue" - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is incorrect because of how income is taxed. If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, he edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would like to raise. But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff - in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to 36%. "While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is taxed at the 33% and 35% rates," said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a "small business" - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The > Plumber and in what context?? > > Wilton > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
That knob is the cold idle control-my 240D's have them. Turn counterclockwise when cold-can tweak for not so cold, etc. 'Sort of like the old manual chokes on gassers. Star Motors and Shellfish Co. "Shucking but no Jiving" Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D What does the little knob that you turn on the dash below the cluster near the steering column on left hand side do? (I had two 123 diesels, but neither of them had that - both were newer 82, 84.) Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Here's a MB I have never seen before
Wow its right around the corner too. -Rolf Donald Snook wrote: > It's a 116 450SEL wagon. I want it. > > http://tiny.cc/XBIu1 > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
"Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Joe is right! > > We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting > for high taxes made way higher. Also remember campaign promises are just hot air. Once the guy gets in office he could easily say "oh my, things are worse than we knew, sorry but I'm going to have to cut that threshold from $250K to $50K" or something like that. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
What's the appraised value of the property? On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I'm not moving. I live 200 miles away > > > At 10:26 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote: > >> Where are you moving to? >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >wrote: >> >> > Some of you may recall, our historic family farm has been forced into >> sale. >> > Partial listing will be found at www.sullivanauctioneers.com within >> the >> > next few days. There will be on-line bidding for the land and some >> items. >> > If anyone is interested in non-land items for online bidding, be sure >> to >> > contact the auctioneers. >> > >> > How often do you have an opportunity to buy a COMPLETE historic >> district? >> > >> > This sale includes the entire Faeth Farmstead Historic District. Most of >> it >> > is in tract 1, with a small piece in tract 2. It is listed on the >> National >> > Register of Historic Places. This land has been in the family since >> 1832, >> > and is the oldest orchard West of the Mississippi, and just a few miles >> from >> > the site of the first land grant west of the Mississippi and North of >> the >> > Des Moines River, a grant to Louis Honore Tesson from the King of >> France, in >> > the 1700s. Tesson established the first orchard west of the >> Mississippi >> > here, long before the Louisiana Purchase. There is a lot of history >> here. >> > >> > This is an ideal site for any Horticultural crop, including orchard, >> > vineyards and vegetable crops, as well as land for row crops. Complete >> > truck farm equipment will be on the sale. This was one of Iowa's 54 >> > licensed Native Wineries. Iowa has a long history of grape and wine >> > production up until WWII when the government directed row crop farming >> for >> > the war effort. There is a new Renaissance of wineries and grape >> production >> > in Iowa. Our juice and retail building is an ideal building for a >> winery. >> > >> > Both of the listed JD tractors have had recent major overhaul by JD >> > mechanics. the 1530 probably has about 200 hr since the OH and the 2020 >> I >> > believe is under 100 hr since the OH and also has new rear tires. The >> 1530 >> > was purchased new in 1974, and was assembled at the Mannheim Works in >> > Germany. The 2020 is a 1968 and we purchased it in 1971, Both are >> really >> > good tractors. >> > >> > If you have any questions, please ask. Loren Faeth may be reached at >> 515 >> > 450 0717 >> > >> > Outside the auction Loren has for sale my JD5500N low/narrow >> > orchard/vineyard tractor. It is a great tractor. It has a 4cyl >> turbodiesel >> > I think the engine HP is 80. Transmission is 3 x 4 12 speed with >> > forward/reverse shuttle. PTO is 540 Rpm with std and economy setting. >> It >> > pulls our NW430 Bean sprayer (30 GPM Bean Royal pump) very easily. It >> has >> > low hours. It has a cab, so makes a good mowing or spraying tractor. >> Fuel >> > consumption is half that of the Massey or other JD tractors w/o turbo >> and >> > economy PTO. There are two remote Hyd, with Pioneer couplings, and a >> third >> > live line that I believe was used for a hydraulic motor edger on a >> mower. >> > It is Mechanical FWD. This is a nice unit! I purchased it with a home >> > equity loan on my house, so I need to sell it, since I no longer have a >> use >> > for it. >> > >> > After the dust settles, I will be selling my 87 300TD, and 80 240D >> manual. >> > For sale now is my 300SDL, 1987. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Loren Faeth >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > Loren Faeth > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: That knob is the cold idle control-my 240D's have them. Turn I feel like an idiot. I thought we were talking about the 450 TSE, not the 300D. Up to 1980 or so, all the diesels had that nice little rotating hand throttle next to the steering column. It went away about the same time we got EGR. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
Well don't feel bad-I had no clue what headlight leveler knob you were talking about-way beyond my level of MB's. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 I feel like an idiot. I thought we were talking about the 450 TSE, not the 300D. Up to 1980 or so, all the diesels had that nice little rotating hand throttle next to the steering column. It went away about the same time we got EGR. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain 2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it. -Dave Walton On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe is right! > > We already pay outrageous taxes. Anyone who votes for Bama is voting for > high taxes made way higher. > > At 01:49 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: >> >> From >> >> http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes >> >> Third, even if you're one of the rare business owners making enough money >> to >> be affected by Obama's proposed tax increases, you still won't see a big >> hike in your tax bill.* * >> >> McCain's claim that Obama "will increase taxes on 50% of small business >> revenue" - the line he used in the second presidential debate - is >> incorrect >> because of how income is taxed. >> >> If a business owner falls into the top bracket, that doesn't mean that all >> of his or her income is taxed at the highest level. >> >> For example: If a small-business owner makes $210,000 in taxable income, >> he >> edges into the 33% bracket, one of the two top tax rates that Obama would >> like to raise. >> >> But he would pay the higher tax only on the amount that exceeds the cutoff >> - >> in 2007, the two top tax rates applied to single filers with income of >> $160,850 or more and joint filers with income of at least $195,850. As a >> single filer, this business owner would see his federal taxes increase >> $1,475 under Obama's plan, which calls for raising the 33% tax rate to >> 36%. >> "While Obama does favor raising the top two rates, the quote is not true >> because not all the small business income of those in the top two rates is >> taxed at the 33% and 35% rates," said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at >> the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. >> >> The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad >> definition of what counts as a "small business" - and even with that >> definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's >> proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be >> levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them. >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Wilton Strickland >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> > Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The >> > Plumber and in what context?? >> > >> > Wilton >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> LT Don >> http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ >> >> apt-get update >> apt-get upgrade >> The following packages will be replaced >> Prez >> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Loren Faeth > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
I expect it to sell between $2000 and $8000 per acre. I am not being flippant. The market is strange right now. One farm real estate specialist I spoke with yesterday said prices are steady. About 10 days ago a farm sold for $8000 an acre, with probably similar soil types, but without the specialty crops or buildings. Other land sells for 2300 and acre. It is worth just over the top price of the second highest bidder thinks it is worth. At 02:25 PM 10/16/2008, you wrote: What's the appraised value of the property? On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I'm not moving. I live 200 miles away > > > At 10:26 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote: > >> Where are you moving to? >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >wrote: >> >> > Some of you may recall, our historic family farm has been forced into >> sale. >> > Partial listing will be found at www.sullivanauctioneers.com within >> the >> > next few days. There will be on-line bidding for the land and some >> items. >> > If anyone is interested in non-land items for online bidding, be sure >> to >> > contact the auctioneers. >> > >> > How often do you have an opportunity to buy a COMPLETE historic >> district? >> > >> > This sale includes the entire Faeth Farmstead Historic District. Most of >> it >> > is in tract 1, with a small piece in tract 2. It is listed on the >> National >> > Register of Historic Places. This land has been in the family since >> 1832, >> > and is the oldest orchard West of the Mississippi, and just a few miles >> from >> > the site of the first land grant west of the Mississippi and North of >> the >> > Des Moines River, a grant to Louis Honore Tesson from the King of >> France, in >> > the 1700s. Tesson established the first orchard west of the >> Mississippi >> > here, long before the Louisiana Purchase. There is a lot of history >> here. >> > >> > This is an ideal site for any Horticultural crop, including orchard, >> > vineyards and vegetable crops, as well as land for row crops. Complete >> > truck farm equipment will be on the sale. This was one of Iowa's 54 >> > licensed Native Wineries. Iowa has a long history of grape and wine >> > production up until WWII when the government directed row crop farming >> for >> > the war effort. There is a new Renaissance of wineries and grape >> production >> > in Iowa. Our juice and retail building is an ideal building for a >> winery. >> > >> > Both of the listed JD tractors have had recent major overhaul by JD >> > mechanics. the 1530 probably has about 200 hr since the OH and the 2020 >> I >> > believe is under 100 hr since the OH and also has new rear tires. The >> 1530 >> > was purchased new in 1974, and was assembled at the Mannheim Works in >> > Germany. The 2020 is a 1968 and we purchased it in 1971, Both are >> really >> > good tractors. >> > >> > If you have any questions, please ask. Loren Faeth may be reached at >> 515 >> > 450 0717 >> > >> > Outside the auction Loren has for sale my JD5500N low/narrow >> > orchard/vineyard tractor. It is a great tractor. It has a 4cyl >> turbodiesel >> > I think the engine HP is 80. Transmission is 3 x 4 12 speed with >> > forward/reverse shuttle. PTO is 540 Rpm with std and economy setting. >> It >> > pulls our NW430 Bean sprayer (30 GPM Bean Royal pump) very easily. It >> has >> > low hours. It has a cab, so makes a good mowing or spraying tractor. >> Fuel >> > consumption is half that of the Massey or other JD tractors w/o turbo >> and >> > economy PTO. There are two remote Hyd, with Pioneer couplings, and a >> third >> > live line that I believe was used for a hydraulic motor edger on a >> mower. >> > It is Mechanical FWD. This is a nice unit! I purchased it with a home >> > equity loan on my house, so I need to sell it, since I no longer have a >> use >> > for it. >> > >> > After the dust settles, I will be selling my 87 300TD, and 80 240D >> manual. >> > For sale now is my 300SDL, 1987. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Loren Faeth >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > Loren Faeth > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okie
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
'Found a complete and unedited, no BS version on youtube - can't get the sound loud enough and clear enough to understand what he said, so I STILL don't know what he REALLY said, including the context. Thnx. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber > Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about > the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, > would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding > those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, "we need to spread > the wealth around." Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. > > --R > > Wilton Strickland wrote: > > Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The > > Plumber and in what context?? > > > > Wilton > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
why the hell are they selling the family farm? Such a shame. Loren Faeth wrote: Some of you may recall, our historic family farm has been forced into sale. Partial listing will be found at www.sullivanauctioneers.com within the next few days. There will be on-line bidding for the land and some items. If anyone is interested in non-land items for online bidding, be sure to contact the auctioneers. How often do you have an opportunity to buy a COMPLETE historic district? This sale includes the entire Faeth Farmstead Historic District. Most of it is in tract 1, with a small piece in tract 2. It is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This land has been in the family since 1832, and is the oldest orchard West of the Mississippi, and just a few miles from the site of the first land grant west of the Mississippi and North of the Des Moines River, a grant to Louis Honore Tesson from the King of France, in the 1700s. Tesson established the first orchard west of the Mississippi here, long before the Louisiana Purchase. There is a lot of history here. This is an ideal site for any Horticultural crop, including orchard, vineyards and vegetable crops, as well as land for row crops. Complete truck farm equipment will be on the sale. This was one of Iowa's 54 licensed Native Wineries. Iowa has a long history of grape and wine production up until WWII when the government directed row crop farming for the war effort. There is a new Renaissance of wineries and grape production in Iowa. Our juice and retail building is an ideal building for a winery. Both of the listed JD tractors have had recent major overhaul by JD mechanics. the 1530 probably has about 200 hr since the OH and the 2020 I believe is under 100 hr since the OH and also has new rear tires. The 1530 was purchased new in 1974, and was assembled at the Mannheim Works in Germany. The 2020 is a 1968 and we purchased it in 1971, Both are really good tractors. If you have any questions, please ask. Loren Faeth may be reached at 515 450 0717 Outside the auction Loren has for sale my JD5500N low/narrow orchard/vineyard tractor. It is a great tractor. It has a 4cyl turbodiesel I think the engine HP is 80. Transmission is 3 x 4 12 speed with forward/reverse shuttle. PTO is 540 Rpm with std and economy setting. It pulls our NW430 Bean sprayer (30 GPM Bean Royal pump) very easily. It has low hours. It has a cab, so makes a good mowing or spraying tractor. Fuel consumption is half that of the Massey or other JD tractors w/o turbo and economy PTO. There are two remote Hyd, with Pioneer couplings, and a third live line that I believe was used for a hydraulic motor edger on a mower. It is Mechanical FWD. This is a nice unit! I purchased it with a home equity loan on my house, so I need to sell it, since I no longer have a use for it. After the dust settles, I will be selling my 87 300TD, and 80 240D manual. For sale now is my 300SDL, 1987. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: why the hell are they selling the family farm? Such a shame. If the heirs don't want to play nice and share it with each other, and none of them want to buy the others out, it gets sold. One way around it is to incorporate the family farm and leave shares of stock to your heirs. After a while, the increased value of the land serves as sort of a poison pill to prevent sale of the land, because the profit gets taxed at the corporate tax rates if they sell it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Historically, revenues go up following tax cuts. Sounds contradictory at first but the economic growth more than offsets the lower tax rates. This has happened time and time again. The treasury is taking in more money than ever. What we need to do is cut spending. "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If either one wins we will all be paying more taxes. We can't maintain > 2 wars, the growth in SS spending, and increased Medicare/Medicaid > costs any other way. That's common sense. Get used to it. > > -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
It will get low 20's maybe 21-23. Not really too doggy I dont think. A little quicker off the line than the turbo version up till the point the turbo would kick in. Heater box is probably talking about the acc servo. Figure at least 6-700 to fix that either via replacement or swapping in that electronic converstion deal. Donald Snook wrote: My indy has a 1978 300D that someone just traded in on a newer 300E. So, I have some questions. The body is in really good shape, it was a one owner car that spent 29 or the last 30 years in Austin. They moved here last year. It has what I guess are old style glow plugs - each one is connected with this old looking wire that is sort of squiggly. The a/c works, but it has no sunroof. No rust. The driver's seat is pretty flat. It has 245,000 miles. The heater does not work and there is something called the heater box, unplugged under the hood. What kind of fuel mileage will these get? Are they complete dogs with no turbo? What is the heater box problem all about? I can trade him for my Volvo for $1000 (I think I can get him down to $700). Anyone want to buy a really nice 1990 Volvo 240? $2300 Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
Allan Streib wrote: Also remember campaign promises are just hot air. That's why it ticks me off when the media 'fact checkers' think they can deflect criticism (usually based on a candidate's voting record) with "That's not what it says on the candidate's web page". The best comment I've heard recently: "When I want to know what sort of critter has walked by, I look at his tracks" Obama's tracks are quite clear, and they don't look at all like his promises. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber
I dont see how ANYONE could vote for that Rich Thomas wrote: Watch the vid, you can find it on youtube. Basically Joe asked about the 250k thing and taxes, said he wanted to buy a business and grow it, would get into that bracket, a few words were spoken on that regarding those who work and those who don't, then Barry said, "we need to spread the wealth around." Wealth redistribution, Marxism pure and simple. --R Wilton Strickland wrote: Enough of the Party line spin BS. What did Barry REALLY say to Joe The Plumber and in what context?? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a break from politics and insurance 1978 300D
idle speed adjustment Donald Snook wrote: Rich wrote: "The glow plug thing is just how it is, they are in a series and those wires are resistive elements (DO NOT touch them to see if the GPs are getting juice -- you will find out right quick.). I think there is a retrofit for parallel, not sure what the worth of that would be other than a bad GP will kill the juice, and none will glow so you have to sort that out." What does the little knob that you turn on the dash below the cluster near the steering column on left hand side do? (I had two 123 diesels, but neither of them had that - both were newer 82, 84.) Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: AIG party
Well, I get perks in my job that amount to about 5% of my salary. They are part of my compensation package, take them away and I'm looking to have you make it up with money. Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -- Original message -- > > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> Last month, and just days after the U.S. government stepped in to save AIG > with > >> a $85 billion taxpayer-funded loan, the company picked up a $440,000 tab > >> for > a > >> week-long retreat at a posh California resort for top-performing insurance > >> agents. > >> > > > > Your thinking that the sales folks shouldn't be compensated? > > No, I was just quoting a news item which explained that the much maligned > retreat was merely pre-arranged compensation for agents, when everybody seems > to > be claiming that it's an executive party. > > > OTOH, the more recent UK hunting trip does seem to be an executive perk. I > guess > running a company as large as AIG into the ground is hard work and they > deserve > a break. Besides, if they are shooting peasants, pheasants, or whatever in > England, the AIG executives aren't sitting at their desks running our company > into the ground. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Farm/orchard/winery sale
yea, I hate it when that happens. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: why the hell are they selling the family farm? Such a shame. If the heirs don't want to play nice and share it with each other, and none of them want to buy the others out, it gets sold. One way around it is to incorporate the family farm and leave shares of stock to your heirs. After a while, the increased value of the land serves as sort of a poison pill to prevent sale of the land, because the profit gets taxed at the corporate tax rates if they sell it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never find out
Here's an analysis of the last year of the Clinton administration taxes and the last year of the Bush taxes assuming Obama taxes will look like Clinton's last year's rates. It's projected at three income levels Draw your own conclusions! And please do so before you vote! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tax Analysis.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 59392 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081016/5bb2e89a/attachment.obj> -- next part -- I got this back before the Conventions and maybe sent it to the List. If so, sorry, but maybe worth another look! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Chuck Landenberger wrote: Maybe it's not defined on purpose and the milling throngs just get sucked in by "no new taxes" or maybe it's "sharing the wealth". It'll be 'sharing the wealth', for 'Bama is more socialist than Gore or Hillary. The way I heard it (may need confirmation) is that Barry wants all the Bush tax cuts to expire, then he "won't raise taxes" beyond that level we paid under Clinton. That would mean losing the retirement saver's credit for low income households, the 100% deduction on health insurance for the self employed, the $1000 child tax credit, the additional child tax credit, the ?121 home sale profit exclusion, the 10% tax bracket, the reduced tax rates on capital gains and qualified dividends, ... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Jim, et al. The spare tyre hold down looks like a shallow bucket with a large plastic screw thread sticking out the bottom. 201 890 00 07 , not sure of the year of yours, but 85 1900E, 87 190DT's are all the same. YMMV Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesels Three my spare tire is loose, and the securing hardware is missing. There's a sheet-metal construction in the center of the well with a screw thread in the middle. What's the mate look like? Can't say as I've ever seen an intact system at the U-Pull, and it's not the same as what any of our other cars have. Anybody got an extra 201 tire tiedown for cheep? I'd like to quiet the car down on bumps. - Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
