Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

we have something in this country called "rule of law" (as opposed to your
country where you let foreign nations kidnap your citizens because they say
things that offend the german government).  states are sovereign entities
here that enter into a voluntary union with other states.  the traditional
understanding is that these states can leave the union just as they entered
it.

a young man joins a gang and then realizes that  the gang is not really the
best course of action.  so he leaves the gangs, only to be hunted down and
murdered by other members for leaving.  when we hear a story like this, we
recoil in horror at this behavior as it violates so many of our ideals
regarding law and morality.  it is barbarism and it is unacceptable.

yet, when a president engages in such a deranged murderous orgy on a large
scale, we declare him a national hero rather than denounce him as the sick
rogue he is.



On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> OK lets look at Lincoln, it's been a while since I studied the civil war
> but to simplify it, Lincoln had three choices, one appease the separatists
> and let the south keep slavery in place, two let the union break apart (thus
> the US would be split in two and may well have taken different sides in the
> European civil wars, leading to all sorts of complication, perhaps even
> delaying the American civil war until such a time when military technology
> had progressed but tactics had not) or option three, stand up to the
> separatists.
> I don't what your thoughts are on what should have happened but I feel that
> it was pretty much inevitable that there was going to be a war, whether over
> slavery or other issues. Lincoln knew this and figured on the balance of
> things it is better to take a stand in the beginning, rather than slowly
> retreat on issues until such time that further retreat is not an option.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> yeah, dubya has to join the rogues gallery as well . roosevelt was just
>> crippled in body and spirit.  lincoln seemed organically brain damaged as
>> well.  dubya?  just THAT stupid and mean.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Hendrik & Fay]

OK lets look at Lincoln, it's been a while since I studied the civil war 
but to simplify it, Lincoln had three choices, one appease the 
separatists and let the south keep slavery in place, two let the union 
break apart (thus the US would be split in two and may well have taken 
different sides in the European civil wars, leading to all sorts of 
complication, perhaps even delaying the American civil war until such a 
time when military technology had progressed but tactics had not) or 
option three, stand up to the separatists.
I don't what your thoughts are on what should have happened but I feel 
that it was pretty much inevitable that there was going to be a war, 
whether over slavery or other issues. Lincoln knew this and figured on 
the balance of things it is better to take a stand in the beginning, 
rather than slowly retreat on issues until such time that further 
retreat is not an option.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

yeah, dubya has to join the rogues gallery as well . roosevelt was just
crippled in body and spirit.  lincoln seemed organically brain damaged as
well.  dubya?  just THAT stupid and mean.

  

  



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Re: [MBZ] B-29

[Peter Frederick]

Actually, they were on the way when the war ended -- my father was in  
Florida waiting for the ship to load ground crew and supplies, planes  
to follow in a couple weeks to England when VE day came along.   
Another month or so and B-29s would have replaced the B-24s and B-17s.


Peter

On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

'Just read a note on Wiki that it was briefly evaluated in England/ 
Europe,
it seems mainly to make Nazis think it was gonna be deployed  
there.  Is the

Serial # of the museum one 41-36393, maybe?

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-29


Germany?  Really?  'Didn't know B-29's ever went to Europe before  
the end

of

the war.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-29


...Dad was a flight engineer on a B-29 based on Guam and Tinian  
(sp?)

that
was configured for recon only. The bomb bay was loaded with  
cameras and

there were only two operable turrets and a tail gun...

The Museum of Flight's B-29 has four turrets, two on top and two  
on the

belly. Plus the tail gunner. All four fuselage turrets can be fired
simultaneously
by one gunner and they are configured so as not to able to shoot the
vertical
fin off or each other. One of the restored and functioning top  
turrets is
mounted on a test stand and connected to a test board as is the  
master

gunsight
and so by holding the sight in two hands and sighting through, the  
turret

rotates and the guns elevate.

This airplane flew 29 missions over Germany and before the Museum  
acquired
it, it sat out in the desert at China Lake CA which resulted in so  
much
corrosion in the wings that it will never fly again. But, when  
finished,

everything
will be operational except the engines. All the electrics, all the  
guns

turrets,
whatever.

While stored, some idiot decided to move it by pushing it with a  
bulldozer
and in doing so destroyed the tail gunner's compartment. My friend  
SJB (a

docent
at the Museum and an Aeronautical engineer) took on the task of  
recreating

the entire tail gunner's compartment including the gun carriage, the
electrics,
the pressurized compartment for the gunner and even the hinged  
pressure

door
for access. And he did this out of thin air, working from the  
original

Boeing
drawings. It is now complete and functional but has yet to be  
installed.

This
took five years, not steadily of course.

His next task is recreating the belly radome which was removed and

discarded
long ago when the plane was used as a duster (believe it or not)  
so back

to
the drawings. The dome will be roughly about seven feet long, four  
feet

deep

and
three feet wide. He has built a female plywood tool with graduated  
height
plywood stations to duplicate the curve of the dome from the  
drawings but

the
problem now is curving the Hexcel material to the inside of the  
tool's

surface
and bonding it all together.

Everyone working on this airplane is a volunteer and a few were WW2

crewmen
so the question to me was, will the restoration be completed  
before they

are

all gone?

BTW, my friend SJB is the person who permitted me to help in three  
auto
restorations which took fifteen years. The first, a '64 Porsche  
904GTS

restored to
perfection finally went to a private collection in Osaka, the  
second was a

'73
911RS now in some Microsofter's garage keeping his RSR company.  
The last

was
his '56 356A Normal Speedster which they are keeping and drive  
sparingly

to
keep it as perfect as possible. At the completion of the  
Speedster, the

B-29
project popped up so no more car restorations. His money, my time,  
and a

pleasure
it was.

RLE





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[MBZ] Diesel $2.92/gal in KCMO

[Christopher McCann]

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another to report $3.34. Meanwhile, the station 1 block away is $3.64, which is 
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Re: [MBZ] B-29

[Wilton Strickland]

'Just read a note on Wiki that it was briefly evaluated in England/Europe,
it seems mainly to make Nazis think it was gonna be deployed there.  Is the
Serial # of the museum one 41-36393, maybe?

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-29


> Germany?  Really?  'Didn't know B-29's ever went to Europe before the end
of
> the war.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-29
>
>
> > ...Dad was a flight engineer on a B-29 based on Guam and Tinian (sp?)
that
> > was configured for recon only. The bomb bay was loaded with cameras and
> > there were only two operable turrets and a tail gun...
> >
> The Museum of Flight's B-29 has four turrets, two on top and two on the
> belly. Plus the tail gunner. All four fuselage turrets can be fired
> simultaneously
> by one gunner and they are configured so as not to able to shoot the
> vertical
> fin off or each other. One of the restored and functioning top turrets is
> mounted on a test stand and connected to a test board as is the master
> gunsight
> and so by holding the sight in two hands and sighting through, the turret
> rotates and the guns elevate.
>
> This airplane flew 29 missions over Germany and before the Museum acquired
> it, it sat out in the desert at China Lake CA which resulted in so much
> corrosion in the wings that it will never fly again. But, when finished,
> everything
> will be operational except the engines. All the electrics, all the guns
> turrets,
> whatever.
>
> While stored, some idiot decided to move it by pushing it with a bulldozer
> and in doing so destroyed the tail gunner's compartment. My friend SJB (a
> docent
> at the Museum and an Aeronautical engineer) took on the task of recreating
> the entire tail gunner's compartment including the gun carriage, the
> electrics,
> the pressurized compartment for the gunner and even the hinged pressure
door
> for access. And he did this out of thin air, working from the original
> Boeing
> drawings. It is now complete and functional but has yet to be installed.
> This
> took five years, not steadily of course.
>
> His next task is recreating the belly radome which was removed and
discarded
> long ago when the plane was used as a duster (believe it or not) so back
to
> the drawings. The dome will be roughly about seven feet long, four feet
deep
> and
> three feet wide. He has built a female plywood tool with graduated height
> plywood stations to duplicate the curve of the dome from the drawings but
> the
> problem now is curving the Hexcel material to the inside of the tool's
> surface
> and bonding it all together.
>
> Everyone working on this airplane is a volunteer and a few were WW2
crewmen
> so the question to me was, will the restoration be completed before they
are
> all gone?
>
> BTW, my friend SJB is the person who permitted me to help in three auto
> restorations which took fifteen years. The first, a '64 Porsche 904GTS
> restored to
> perfection finally went to a private collection in Osaka, the second was a
> '73
> 911RS now in some Microsofter's garage keeping his RSR company. The last
was
> his '56 356A Normal Speedster which they are keeping and drive sparingly
to
> keep it as perfect as possible. At the completion of the Speedster, the
B-29
> project popped up so no more car restorations. His money, my time, and a
> pleasure
> it was.
>
> RLE
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] B-29

[Wilton Strickland]

Germany?  Really?  'Didn't know B-29's ever went to Europe before the end of
the war.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-29


> ...Dad was a flight engineer on a B-29 based on Guam and Tinian (sp?) that
> was configured for recon only. The bomb bay was loaded with cameras and
> there were only two operable turrets and a tail gun...
>
The Museum of Flight's B-29 has four turrets, two on top and two on the
belly. Plus the tail gunner. All four fuselage turrets can be fired
simultaneously
by one gunner and they are configured so as not to able to shoot the
vertical
fin off or each other. One of the restored and functioning top turrets is
mounted on a test stand and connected to a test board as is the master
gunsight
and so by holding the sight in two hands and sighting through, the turret
rotates and the guns elevate.

This airplane flew 29 missions over Germany and before the Museum acquired
it, it sat out in the desert at China Lake CA which resulted in so much
corrosion in the wings that it will never fly again. But, when finished,
everything
will be operational except the engines. All the electrics, all the guns
turrets,
whatever.

While stored, some idiot decided to move it by pushing it with a bulldozer
and in doing so destroyed the tail gunner's compartment. My friend SJB (a
docent
at the Museum and an Aeronautical engineer) took on the task of recreating
the entire tail gunner's compartment including the gun carriage, the
electrics,
the pressurized compartment for the gunner and even the hinged pressure door
for access. And he did this out of thin air, working from the original
Boeing
drawings. It is now complete and functional but has yet to be installed.
This
took five years, not steadily of course.

His next task is recreating the belly radome which was removed and discarded
long ago when the plane was used as a duster (believe it or not) so back to
the drawings. The dome will be roughly about seven feet long, four feet deep
and
three feet wide. He has built a female plywood tool with graduated height
plywood stations to duplicate the curve of the dome from the drawings but
the
problem now is curving the Hexcel material to the inside of the tool's
surface
and bonding it all together.

Everyone working on this airplane is a volunteer and a few were WW2 crewmen
so the question to me was, will the restoration be completed before they are
all gone?

BTW, my friend SJB is the person who permitted me to help in three auto
restorations which took fifteen years. The first, a '64 Porsche 904GTS
restored to
perfection finally went to a private collection in Osaka, the second was a
'73
911RS now in some Microsofter's garage keeping his RSR company. The last was
his '56 356A Normal Speedster which they are keeping and drive sparingly to
keep it as perfect as possible. At the completion of the Speedster, the B-29
project popped up so no more car restorations. His money, my time, and a
pleasure
it was.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] B-29

[RELNGSON]

> ...Dad was a flight engineer on a B-29 based on Guam and Tinian (sp?) that 
> was configured for recon only.   The bomb bay was loaded with cameras and 
> there were only two operable turrets and a tail gun...
> 
The Museum of Flight's B-29 has four turrets, two on top and two on the 
belly. Plus the tail gunner. All four fuselage turrets can be fired 
simultaneously 
by one gunner and they are configured so as not to able to shoot the vertical 
fin off or each other. One of the restored and functioning top turrets is 
mounted on a test stand and connected to a test board as is the master gunsight 
and so by holding the sight in two hands and sighting through, the turret 
rotates and the guns elevate.

This airplane flew 29 missions over Germany and before the Museum acquired 
it, it sat out in the desert at China Lake CA which resulted in so much 
corrosion in the wings that it will never fly again. But, when finished, 
everything 
will be operational except the engines. All the electrics, all the guns 
turrets, 
whatever.

While stored, some idiot decided to move it by pushing it with a bulldozer 
and in doing so destroyed the tail gunner's compartment. My friend SJB (a 
docent 
at the Museum and an Aeronautical engineer) took on the task of recreating 
the entire tail gunner's compartment including the gun carriage, the electrics, 
the pressurized compartment for the gunner and even the hinged pressure door 
for access. And he did this out of thin air, working from the original Boeing 
drawings. It is now complete and functional but has yet to be installed. This 
took five years, not steadily of course.

His next task is recreating the belly radome which was removed and discarded 
long ago when the plane was used as a duster (believe it or not) so back to 
the drawings. The dome will be roughly about seven feet long, four feet deep 
and 
three feet wide. He has built a female plywood tool with graduated height 
plywood stations to duplicate the curve of the dome from the drawings but the 
problem now is curving the Hexcel material to the inside of the tool's surface 
and bonding it all together.

Everyone working on this airplane is a volunteer and a few were WW2 crewmen 
so the question to me was, will the restoration be completed before they are 
all gone?

BTW, my friend SJB is the person who permitted me to help in three auto 
restorations which took fifteen years. The first, a '64 Porsche 904GTS restored 
to 
perfection finally went to a private collection in Osaka, the second was a '73 
911RS now in some Microsofter's garage keeping his RSR company. The last was 
his '56 356A Normal Speedster which they are keeping and drive sparingly to 
keep it as perfect as possible. At the completion of the Speedster, the B-29 
project popped up so no more car restorations. His money, my time, and a 
pleasure 
it was.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110

[Wilton Strickland]

Yes, yes.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110


> Have you seen the bomb bay in a B-36?  Impressive.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 
> > Few years ago, at a local air show, I was standing/half crouching just
> > outside the forward end of the bomb bay of a B-17 and looking up  
> > into it
> > when one of the veteran crewmen eased up beside me and asked, "What  
> > are ya
> > thinking?"  My immediate answer, "Small, very small."  Then I was  
> > quick to
> > explain that I had 5000 hours in B-52's and used to seeing such an  
> > expansive
> > bomb bay, I was a bit shocked to realize that my "hero" airplane  
> > had such a
> > small one and accomplished so much with it.  I certainly didn't  
> > want to
> > "insult" somebody's airplane.  I know how we feel about our airplanes.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110
> >
> >
> >> ...And I meant no disparagement whatever to the awesome-for-its-time,
> >> mid-30's-design B-17. 'Deserves some major credit for our victoiy  
> >> in WW
> > II,
> >> especially in Europe. Damned glad it was ready just when we needed  
> >> it so
> >> badly
> >>
> > Indeed. What struck me when standing (barely) in the B-29 that this  
> > was late
> > 30s early 40s technology and the idea that they started with a  
> > clean sheet
> > of
> > paper and a pencil is amazing. Not just the airplane but the  
> > technology in
> > what makes it a warplane. The gun controls, the bombsights,   the
> > everything.
> >
> > And nothing was lightweight in those days, either, which resulted  
> > in the
> > B-29
> > being very underpowered. Managing oil and head temps was a  
> > difficult and
> > critical procedure.
> >
> > And comparing that technology to automobiles of the same period
> >
> > RLE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, dubya has to join the rogues gallery as well . roosevelt was just
crippled in body and spirit.  lincoln seemed organically brain damaged as
well.  dubya?  just THAT stupid and mean.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Yes but he was your vengeful freak and I don't appreciate you calling him
> deformed.
> From what I understand you are not exactly a show case of the human male.
> Anyway he got the US through the war and coming out way on top, do you
> think Bush would have played the game as well. No he would have sent US
> troops to fight in Russia, would have rushed the invasion of Europe (more
> than likely leading to failure) and would have made a lot of other mistakes.
> How many big mistakes did Franklin make? Also would FDR have invaded Iraq on
> the off chance that they are cooking up WMD? No more than likely he would
> have gotten someone else to do it with American made gear that the US makes
> a big profit on.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> frankey was one of the 3 most criminally insane presidents in history,
>> only
>> surpassed in madness by lincoln and wilson.
>>
>> deformed vengeful freak if there ever was one.  as was lincoln, of course.
>> not sure what wilson's excuse was.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110

[Peter Frederick]

Have you seen the bomb bay in a B-36?  Impressive.

Peter

On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:


Few years ago, at a local air show, I was standing/half crouching just
outside the forward end of the bomb bay of a B-17 and looking up  
into it
when one of the veteran crewmen eased up beside me and asked, "What  
are ya
thinking?"  My immediate answer, "Small, very small."  Then I was  
quick to
explain that I had 5000 hours in B-52's and used to seeing such an  
expansive
bomb bay, I was a bit shocked to realize that my "hero" airplane  
had such a
small one and accomplished so much with it.  I certainly didn't  
want to

"insult" somebody's airplane.  I know how we feel about our airplanes.

Wilton

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...And I meant no disparagement whatever to the awesome-for-its-time,
mid-30's-design B-17. 'Deserves some major credit for our victoiy  
in WW

II,
especially in Europe. Damned glad it was ready just when we needed  
it so

badly

Indeed. What struck me when standing (barely) in the B-29 that this  
was late
30s early 40s technology and the idea that they started with a  
clean sheet

of
paper and a pencil is amazing. Not just the airplane but the  
technology in

what makes it a warplane. The gun controls, the bombsights,   the
everything.

And nothing was lightweight in those days, either, which resulted  
in the

B-29
being very underpowered. Managing oil and head temps was a  
difficult and

critical procedure.

And comparing that technology to automobiles of the same period

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

'Nothur goodun, Hendrikus.

Wiltun

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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> postus is Latin for posting to a online chat group.
> post = send
> us = me and you
>
> Hendrikus Maximus Bullshitus
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > it's that new breakfast cereal everyone is talking about
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Wilton Strickland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >
> >> P O T U S = President of the United States.  'Don't know what POSTUS
is.
> >>
> >> Wilton
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Did anyone explain POSTUS?
> >>>
> >>> Luther
> >>>
> >>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Once the rod bends, the cylinder wears oval in a matter of hours.   
They bend in normal service with no prior indications of any kind --  
there are three or more versions, and the latest ones weigh several  
ounces more than the originals.  That means, of course, if you are  
fixing one you must buy all six, as the old ones are NOT available.   
Usual first indication is a noisy engine and sudden high oil  
consumption, sometimes accompanied by significant oil smoke.  This  
happens from one day to the next, not gradually.


Very expensive "oops", and MB, to the best of my knowledge, has never  
admitted to a design error.


Peter

On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:38 PM, harry watkins wrote:


Larry

Wouldn't an oil analysis give a clue about rod bending?  If the  
cylinders are being worn, I would think something would show up.   
My experience with SOAP made me believe nothing could go undetected.


Harry

I think I'll have a look at the 90 I mentioned - 272K miles, no  
oil with 3K chenges, - I'm hoping with that many miles it may not  
ben a rod bender and we can get another 100K miles out of the old  
girl.


At $4k it should buy a nice big sedan .that cruises smoothly.   
Trying to find out if it has both airbags in front  --  being a S  
Class it may be d  -



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110

[Wilton Strickland]

Few years ago, at a local air show, I was standing/half crouching just
outside the forward end of the bomb bay of a B-17 and looking up into it
when one of the veteran crewmen eased up beside me and asked, "What are ya
thinking?"  My immediate answer, "Small, very small."  Then I was quick to
explain that I had 5000 hours in B-52's and used to seeing such an expansive
bomb bay, I was a bit shocked to realize that my "hero" airplane had such a
small one and accomplished so much with it.  I certainly didn't want to
"insult" somebody's airplane.  I know how we feel about our airplanes.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110


> ...And I meant no disparagement whatever to the awesome-for-its-time,
> mid-30's-design B-17. 'Deserves some major credit for our victoiy in WW
II,
> especially in Europe. Damned glad it was ready just when we needed it so
> badly
>
Indeed. What struck me when standing (barely) in the B-29 that this was late
30s early 40s technology and the idea that they started with a clean sheet
of
paper and a pencil is amazing. Not just the airplane but the technology in
what makes it a warplane. The gun controls, the bombsights,   the
everything.

And nothing was lightweight in those days, either, which resulted in the
B-29
being very underpowered. Managing oil and head temps was a difficult and
critical procedure.

And comparing that technology to automobiles of the same period

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110

[Peter Frederick]

Actually, the oil consumption and head temperature problem (later  
fixed) was due to the mis-calculation of the air flow through the  
engine.  The oil cooler was up front, on top, and caused inadequate  
cooling air flow over the top three jugs.  Wouldn't have been a  
problem if there had been a couple inches more distance between the  
two banks, but as the Army bought the engine "off the drawing board"  
in the same manner they bought the B-29, the engines were well into  
production before testing revealed the cooling problem.


After the war, Wright re-did the engineering and found that 2 or 3  
inches more space would have prevented almost all the problem, as  
would having the oil cooler placed differently.  In service, some  
extra ducting and some improvements in oil during the war extended  
the tear down time from 24 hrs (for the top three jugs)  to 200 or  
so, much longer later.  A 24 hour service life for B-29s operating in  
China meant, of course, all four engines had to be torn down each  
mission.


Just goes to show what "hurry up" can do for you.

Peter

On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


...And I meant no disparagement whatever to the awesome-for-its-time,
mid-30's-design B-17.  'Deserves some major credit for our victoiy  
in WW II,
especially in Europe.  Damned glad it was ready just when we  
needed it so

badly

Indeed. What struck me when standing (barely) in the B-29 that this  
was late
30s early 40s technology and the idea that they started with a  
clean sheet of
paper and a pencil is amazing. Not just the airplane but the  
technology in
what makes it a warplane. The gun controls, the bombsights,   the  
everything.


And nothing was lightweight in those days, either, which resulted  
in the B-29
being very underpowered. Managing oil and head temps was a  
difficult and

critical procedure.

And comparing that technology to automobiles of the same period

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] layoffs

[Hendrik & Fay]

In tough times a business has to be brutal, that is the downside. It is 
sometimes better to downsize and survive than to hold onto staff and let 
the whole thing go under, with the likely hood that there will no 
severance pay or other stuff.


Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

No more pay from the company.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..Well the only person at our office left to lay off for now, got 
layed off.  She has been there since '78 and was almost ready to retire
anyway.  They did her right though, she is getting 6 months of 
severance pay, plus gets to keep her ins, 401k and so on during that 
time.


Yessir, that's just fabulous. Thirty years service and she gets a 
kick in the ass. And what happens after the six months?


RLE






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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yes but he was your vengeful freak and I don't appreciate you calling 
him deformed.

From what I understand you are not exactly a show case of the human male.
Anyway he got the US through the war and coming out way on top, do you 
think Bush would have played the game as well. No he would have sent US 
troops to fight in Russia, would have rushed the invasion of Europe 
(more than likely leading to failure) and would have made a lot of other 
mistakes. How many big mistakes did Franklin make? Also would FDR have 
invaded Iraq on the off chance that they are cooking up WMD? No more 
than likely he would have gotten someone else to do it with American 
made gear that the US makes a big profit on.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

frankey was one of the 3 most criminally insane presidents in history, only
surpassed in madness by lincoln and wilson.

deformed vengeful freak if there ever was one.  as was lincoln, of course.
not sure what wilson's excuse was.

  
  



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Re: [MBZ] layoffs

[RELNGSON]

> ...Yea, we have a pension plan which she will get also
> 
Well, that's better. It's your future also, you know. Of course, you'll never 
last thirty years.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Hendrik & Fay]

postus is Latin for posting to a online chat group.
post = send
us = me and you

Hendrikus Maximus Bullshitus

Gary Hurst wrote:

it's that new breakfast cereal everyone is talking about

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

  

P O T U S = President of the United States.  'Don't know what POSTUS is.

Wilton

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Did anyone explain POSTUS?

Luther

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen and is Palin a dumb brunette?

[Gary Hurst]

she got up and said she wants to fight the russians in defense of the honor
of our great friends in georgia.  in her defense, i think she is under that
impression that the russians have invaded atlanta, but it's still a good
awful stupid thing to announce and an even crazier thing to aspire to.



On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Now now now Gary that's a bit strong.
> I don't think she is particularly suited to run for VP but I would not call
> her "half retarded" or state that she 'wants' war but rather has indicated
> that she won't be pushed around by the Czar.
> Far as her intellect or lack thereof goes, I don't think being smart is a
> requirement.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> half retarded frontierswoman who has indicated that she wants war with
>> russia?
>>
>> oh, yeah, you want her running your country!
>>
>>
>>
>
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[MBZ] B-29

[RELNGSON]

>  ...And I meant no disparagement whatever to the awesome-for-its-time, 
> mid-30's-design B-17.  'Deserves some major credit for our victoiy in WW II, 
> especially in Europe.  Damned glad it was ready just when we needed it so 
> badly
> 
> 
Indeed. What struck me when standing (barely) in the B-29 that this was late 
30s early 40s technology and the idea that they started with a clean sheet of 
paper and a pencil is amazing. Not just the airplane but the technology in 
what makes it a warplane. The gun controls, the bombsights, the everything.

And nothing was lightweight in those days, either, which resulted in the B-29 
being very underpowered. Managing oil and head temps was a difficult and 
critical procedure.

And comparing that technology to automobiles of the same period

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[harry watkins]

Larry

Wouldn't an oil analysis give a clue about rod bending?  If the cylinders 
are being worn, I would think something would show up.  My experience with 
SOAP made me believe nothing could go undetected.


Harry

I think I'll have a look at the 90 I mentioned - 272K miles, no oil with 3K 
chenges, - I'm hoping with that many miles it may not ben a rod bender and 
we can get another 100K miles out of the old girl.


At $4k it should buy a nice big sedan .that cruises smoothly.  Trying to 
find out if it has both airbags in front  --  being a S Class it may be 
d  -



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 35, Issue 110

[RELNGSON]

> ...And I meant no disparagement whatever to the awesome-for-its-time, 
> mid-30's-design B-17.  'Deserves some major credit for our victoiy in WW II, 
> especially in Europe.  Damned glad it was ready just when we needed it so 
> badly
> 
Indeed. What struck me when standing (barely) in the B-29 that this was late 
30s early 40s technology and the idea that they started with a clean sheet of 
paper and a pencil is amazing. Not just the airplane but the technology in 
what makes it a warplane. The gun controls, the bombsights,   the 
everything.

And nothing was lightweight in those days, either, which resulted in the B-29 
being very underpowered. Managing oil and head temps was a difficult and 
critical procedure.

And comparing that technology to automobiles of the same period

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

frankey was one of the 3 most criminally insane presidents in history, only
surpassed in madness by lincoln and wilson.

deformed vengeful freak if there ever was one.  as was lincoln, of course.
not sure what wilson's excuse was.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hendrik & Fay wrote:
>
>> One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt,
>>
>
> I take it that stands for President of Those United States?
>
> Theodore or Franklin Delano?
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, 


I take it that stands for President of Those United States?

Theodore or Franklin Delano?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen and is Palin a dumb brunette?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Now now now Gary that's a bit strong.
I don't think she is particularly suited to run for VP but I would not 
call her "half retarded" or state that she 'wants' war but rather has 
indicated that she won't be pushed around by the Czar.
Far as her intellect or lack thereof goes, I don't think being smart is 
a requirement.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

half retarded frontierswoman who has indicated that she wants war with
russia?

oh, yeah, you want her running your country!

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Hendrik & Fay]

One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did what 
he considered to be best for the US.
Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and wanting 
to run the US?


Hendrik
ineligible to run.sorry guys, although that part of the 
constitution stinks of xenophobic discrimination, ironic for the great 
democrazy called the US of A


Peter Frederick wrote:

That's easy.

Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met over 
the years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly 
exclusively) who simply cannot differentiate the notion of public 
service from their concept of personal existence.  Not a full blown 
sociopath, but simply do not understand the concept that other's have 
any real existence at all, or that their actions might be in conflict 
with someone else's beliefs and that others might have a right to 
disagree or be correct in that disagreement.


As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow 
political reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the 
difference between her official duties and her personal life, got the 
answer, "you don't understand -- for her there there IS no 
difference".  She is very sharp at discerning a way to make a 
distinction difference between herself and someone else, but there is 
no philosophical or ideological basis for that distinction, she will 
use whatever works and blithely discard it when it no longer works and 
simply refuse to acknowledge that she had any particular stance or 
made any particular statement.  She operates solely on pure personal 
loyalty, and has been known to savage "friends", political or 
personal,  who fail to support her unquestioningly, especially when 
she makes one of her about-faces on policy.


I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type 
pretty often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright, but 
usually only memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite good at 
memorizing scripts, but have serious difficulties with synthesis (that 
is, understanding a concept and evaluating the dynamics of problems, 
troubleshooting, or producing solutions to problems that are not 
examples in the textbook, as they don't really understand things).  
They can appear quite articulate until you carefully analyze what they 
are saying, at which point it often becomes either circular logic or 
variations upon a set group of catch phrases.  A pattern of tossing 
out jumbled ideas in conversation is typical, and when you appear to 
agree with something partially, that phrase or idea will be modified 
to suit what appears to be your interpretation, although what gets 
repeated or passed on will not be the same.


A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her intelligence 
and perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes well, and in fact 
is doing a very poor job as Governor of Alaska.  Easy state to be 
Governor of -- awash in money, with more readily available at any time 
by raising oil royalties and taxes.  No State income tax, low sales 
taxes, no real reliance on the population for financial support, and a 
population who doesn't really care what the state government does so 
long as it doesn't impinge much on the citizens life much except in 
terms of services received.  Alaska is the recipient of vastly more 
Federal money per capital than any other state, and I've not seen 
Palin say anything about that -- I'm sure she would have some nasty 
smart-alec  comment that other states should just do as good a job at 
lobbying as they do.


Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] test

[Peter Arnold]

No, the politicians in the town are stupid.

Pete

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:52:54 -0400, you wrote:

>Peter Arnold wrote:
>> Town near mine, they talked the town into spending $50k in a nitrogen
>> tire filling set-up.
>
>Huh?
>2 Nitrogen tanks $1000
>Regulator $50.
>Hose and tire chuck $30.
>Plus whatever it costs to have the local compressed gas dealer swap out the 
>empty tank for a full one.
>
>
>Am I missing something essential?
>
>Mitch.

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"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:

*Dan Quayle is Chairman of an international division of Cerberus Capital
Management , 


So that's what's wrong with Chrysler! ;-)

(Cerberus also owns Remington, which just bought Marlin, which bought New 
England Firearms/Harrington and Richardson in the 1990s. Now if I want another 
barrel fitted to my H&R I have to send it to Remington in New York)


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is John Sidney McCain a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

John Freer wrote:

So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.


Senate Democrats jumped on that as a means to set the precedent that the Senate 
gets to retroactively declare someone to be a natural born citizen. Perhaps in 
case they want to do it again with Obama?

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

The difference here is that the law already clearly stated that McCain was a 
citizen at birth, and there is still room for doubt with Obama/Soetoro/whatever 
his last name is. Both McCain's parents were lifetime citizens, both had reached 
the age of 19, and both were lifetime residents. Even if they weren't overseas 
on military assignment, their son would have been a citizen.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Got my washer filter installed

[Wonko the Sane]

Proof of the existence of God.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tried to respond to OK Don's post that quotes my post that is in
> question, and it was DENIED!  Wha
>
> Luther
>
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> you failed
>>
>> Luther wrote:
>>
>>> Test?
>>>
>>> Luther
>>>
>>> OK Don wrote:
>>>
 "I am in septic, and was never aware of this problem when we were
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

Panama Canal Zone

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "John Freer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > The first time I heard somebody challenge Obama's citizenship I
immediately
> > dismissed it as tin foil hat conspiracy, but the challenge may be valid.
> > Phil Berg filed suit in federal court to have Barry's candidacy thrown
out,
> > and the media seem determined not to provide coverage of the case.
> > Berg is your basic Democrat nutcase, and he won't give up until Hillary
is
> > inaugurated, but for some reason Barack is determined not to face him in
> > court and argue the case on its merits.
> > You'd think Barry could have settled the matter quickly in court, but he
> > seems more interested in suppressing facts than in winning the case. The
> > judge ordered him to produce his original long form Hawaii birth
certificate
> > by Sept 30, instead his lawyers appeared on Oct 6 and presented a new
> > bullshit motion to dismiss instead of the handing over the birth
> > certificate.
> >
> > Berg's theory is that Barry's mother Stanley was in Kenya late in her
> > pregnancy and the airlines refused to fly her to the USA for fear she
might
> > foal on the plane, so she gave birth in Kenya then flew to Hawaii with
the
> > baby and claimed he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. Berg claims that
> > Barry's Kenyan relatives say he was born in Kenya. Berg also claims that
> > Stanley renounced her US citizenship, and therefore Barry can't claim
> > citizenship as the son of a US citizen. Furthermore, Berg claims that in
one
> > of his autobiographies Barry describes claiming Indonesian citizenship
as an
> > adult and traveling  on an Indonesian passport. Berg seems to think that
if
> > he can get Obama thrown out by Nov 4, Clinton will win the election.
Obama
> > and the DNC seem to think that if they can delay the case until Nov 4,
it
> > will all magically go away.
> >
> > A right wing political site claims that their investigation of his
"actual
> > birth certificate" pictured on Obama's campaign web site proves it to be
> > authentic. They do not have an incentive to lie to help Barry's
candidacy,
> > they hate him as much as I do.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=73214
> >
> > More from WorldNetDaily:
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=76933
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71763
> >
> > Interesting forum discussion of Obama's citizenship can be found here:
> > http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/41216/
> >
> > FActCheck.org's write up on their investigation of his 'actual birth
> > certificate'. The certificate pictured is clearly a certified copy
produced
> > in 2007, not the handwritten original. The copy indicates what we all
know,
> > that official Hawaiian records indicate he was born there.
> > http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? Karl Rove said it best ...

[Bill R]

I think that Karl Rove said it best a few months ago when discussing
possible short list candidates for Obama [and I only watched it once, so if
you want the exact wording you will need to find it yourself. It was a video
of Rove talking posted on u-tube, an excerpt of a clip shown on the Colbert
Report]:  "To nominate a candidate who has been mayor of such a small town,
the 104th largest city in the United States ... can only be a political
stunt..."  In fairness to Rove he was talking about a Democrat who was mayor
of a town of 200,000 rather than a Republican who had been mayor of a town
of 9,000, and then each was also elected governor of a state.  I'm sure
Rove's political assessment only applied to Democrats though, and he would
now state that Palin was well qualified having served as a mayor of a town
of 9,000 as well as a governor.  
BillR

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:28 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

Why is Sarah less qualified than other governor candidates, say Bill Clinton
or Jimmy Carter?  Categorically, I would think someone with executive
experience would be more qualified to be president than someone who only has
experience as a member of a committee.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:02
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
first," he would not have picked Sarah.

Wilton

- Original Message -
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > So what if obamo is elected, gets in there, and then they discover he is
> > not a citizen or something like that.  Will he get kicked out and biden
> > get it?  That doesnt seem right because this fact would have thrown off
> > the whole process, and mccain should not have been running against him
> > in the first place, so he might have got elected running against
> > somebody else.
>
> Better yet, what if Obama wins Nov 4th, Phil Berg gets him disqualified
before
> Dec 15th, and Hillary wins in the Electoral College? It might be 2012
before all
> the court challenges are through. (Biden was a candidate for teh
presidential
> nomination, so I would think he'd expect the electoral votes, but I think
> Hillary would try for them too)
>
> The vice presidential candidates are more important than usual, because
there's
> a very real chance the winner of next month's election will be dead or
> disqualified a year from now. What's the life expectancy of somebody born
in
> 1936, let alone somebody who spent five years in deplorable prison
conditions?
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[John Freer]

Coaching Miss Alaska.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Quayle. Wonder what he is doing these days?
>
> Oh, Oh, Mr. Cotter -- I know!
>
> *Dan Quayle is Chairman of an international division of Cerberus Capital
> Management , a
> multi-billion dollar private
> equityfirm, and president
> of Quayle and Associates. He is an Honorary Trustee
> Emeritus of the Hudson Institute<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Institute>
> .
>
> *(He is making money with venture capital and imparting his wisdom to a
> conservative think-tank.)
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I was talking with a Republican on Friday who thought that Palin was
> picked
> > because of the possibilities in the next election, not this one.
> > Interesting thought - a Dan Quayle do-over.
> > BillR
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of OK Don
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:42 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?
> >
> > She's even more clueless than Bush --
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > really, why is that?
> > >
> > > Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
> > >> first," he would not have picked Sarah.
> > >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
> > "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> > mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wonko the Sane]

Quayle. Wonder what he is doing these days?

Oh, Oh, Mr. Cotter -- I know!

*Dan Quayle is Chairman of an international division of Cerberus Capital
Management , a
multi-billion dollar private
equityfirm, and president
of Quayle and Associates. He is an Honorary Trustee
Emeritus of the Hudson Institute
.

*(He is making money with venture capital and imparting his wisdom to a
conservative think-tank.)

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was talking with a Republican on Friday who thought that Palin was picked
> because of the possibilities in the next election, not this one.
> Interesting thought - a Dan Quayle do-over.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of OK Don
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:42 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?
>
> She's even more clueless than Bush --
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > really, why is that?
> >
> > Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
> >> first," he would not have picked Sarah.
> >>
>
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Bill R]

I was talking with a Republican on Friday who thought that Palin was picked
because of the possibilities in the next election, not this one.
Interesting thought - a Dan Quayle do-over.
BillR 

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She's even more clueless than Bush --

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> really, why is that?
>
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
>> first," he would not have picked Sarah.
>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wonko the Sane]

The 52nd state (behind Puerto Rico) -- Panama.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:35 PM, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > The first time I heard somebody challenge Obama's citizenship I
> immediately
> > dismissed it as tin foil hat conspiracy, but the challenge may be valid.
> > Phil Berg filed suit in federal court to have Barry's candidacy thrown
> out,
> > and the media seem determined not to provide coverage of the case.
> > Berg is your basic Democrat nutcase, and he won't give up until Hillary
> is
> > inaugurated, but for some reason Barack is determined not to face him in
> > court and argue the case on its merits.
> > You'd think Barry could have settled the matter quickly in court, but he
> > seems more interested in suppressing facts than in winning the case. The
> > judge ordered him to produce his original long form Hawaii birth
> certificate
> > by Sept 30, instead his lawyers appeared on Oct 6 and presented a new
> > bullshit motion to dismiss instead of the handing over the birth
> > certificate.
> >
> > Berg's theory is that Barry's mother Stanley was in Kenya late in her
> > pregnancy and the airlines refused to fly her to the USA for fear she
> might
> > foal on the plane, so she gave birth in Kenya then flew to Hawaii with
> the
> > baby and claimed he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. Berg claims that
> > Barry's Kenyan relatives say he was born in Kenya. Berg also claims that
> > Stanley renounced her US citizenship, and therefore Barry can't claim
> > citizenship as the son of a US citizen. Furthermore, Berg claims that in
> one
> > of his autobiographies Barry describes claiming Indonesian citizenship as
> an
> > adult and traveling  on an Indonesian passport. Berg seems to think that
> if
> > he can get Obama thrown out by Nov 4, Clinton will win the election.
> Obama
> > and the DNC seem to think that if they can delay the case until Nov 4, it
> > will all magically go away.
> >
> > A right wing political site claims that their investigation of his
> "actual
> > birth certificate" pictured on Obama's campaign web site proves it to be
> > authentic. They do not have an incentive to lie to help Barry's
> candidacy,
> > they hate him as much as I do.
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=73214
> >
> > More from WorldNetDaily:
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=76933
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71763
> >
> > Interesting forum discussion of Obama's citizenship can be found here:
> > http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/41216/
> >
> > FActCheck.org's write up on their investigation of his 'actual birth
> > certificate'. The certificate pictured is clearly a certified copy
> produced
> > in 2007, not the handwritten original. The copy indicates what we all
> know,
> > that official Hawaiian records indicate he was born there.
> > http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[John Freer]

So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> The first time I heard somebody challenge Obama's citizenship I immediately
> dismissed it as tin foil hat conspiracy, but the challenge may be valid.
> Phil Berg filed suit in federal court to have Barry's candidacy thrown out,
> and the media seem determined not to provide coverage of the case.
> Berg is your basic Democrat nutcase, and he won't give up until Hillary is
> inaugurated, but for some reason Barack is determined not to face him in
> court and argue the case on its merits.
> You'd think Barry could have settled the matter quickly in court, but he
> seems more interested in suppressing facts than in winning the case. The
> judge ordered him to produce his original long form Hawaii birth certificate
> by Sept 30, instead his lawyers appeared on Oct 6 and presented a new
> bullshit motion to dismiss instead of the handing over the birth
> certificate.
>
> Berg's theory is that Barry's mother Stanley was in Kenya late in her
> pregnancy and the airlines refused to fly her to the USA for fear she might
> foal on the plane, so she gave birth in Kenya then flew to Hawaii with the
> baby and claimed he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. Berg claims that
> Barry's Kenyan relatives say he was born in Kenya. Berg also claims that
> Stanley renounced her US citizenship, and therefore Barry can't claim
> citizenship as the son of a US citizen. Furthermore, Berg claims that in one
> of his autobiographies Barry describes claiming Indonesian citizenship as an
> adult and traveling  on an Indonesian passport. Berg seems to think that if
> he can get Obama thrown out by Nov 4, Clinton will win the election. Obama
> and the DNC seem to think that if they can delay the case until Nov 4, it
> will all magically go away.
>
> A right wing political site claims that their investigation of his "actual
> birth certificate" pictured on Obama's campaign web site proves it to be
> authentic. They do not have an incentive to lie to help Barry's candidacy,
> they hate him as much as I do. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=73214
>
> More from WorldNetDaily:
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=76933
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71763
>
> Interesting forum discussion of Obama's citizenship can be found here:
> http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/41216/
>
> FActCheck.org's write up on their investigation of his 'actual birth
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[Wilton Strickland]

My 91 has both airbags.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL


> I think I'll have a look at the 90 I mentioned - 272K miles, no oil with
3K
> chenges, - I'm hoping with that many miles it may not ben a rod bender and
> we can get another 100K miles out of the old girl.
>
> At $4k it should buy a nice big sedan .that cruises smoothly.  Trying to
> find out if it has both airbags in front  --  being a S Class it may be
> td  -
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
> www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL
>
>
> > Either the rods bend in service or they don't.  No way to tell by
> > looking, all you get is suddenly seriously increasing oil consumption
and
> > soon loose piston noise as the cylinder wears oval from the  twisted
rod.
> >
> > The 3.0L 603 will also bend rods, but I believe that is usually a bad
> > head gasket allowing oil into #1 from the chain tensioner oil passage
> > across the front.  Eventually it will hydrolock and bend the #1 rod.
> > There is some speculation that glassy carbon from the crossover pipe
can
> > do the same thing.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:09 AM, LarryT wrote:
> >
> >> You wrote <>\\
> >>
> >> Hmm... I was under the impression "elevated oil use"  was the only  way
> >> to tell.  What do you look for when driving to learn if it's a  rod
> >> bender or not?
> >>
> >> Since it's a 126 I assume the biodegradable wiring is not an issue?
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info !
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
> >> www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
> >> Porsche Posters/Weber parts
> >> - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:27 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL
> >>
> >>
> >>> But then I know of one with at least 275,000 miles (it was in for  a
> >>> "big service" at my friend's shop) with the original engine and  no
> >>> problems.
> >>>
> >>> Some bend the rods, some don't, and there is no way to tell but  to
> >>> drive them.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >>>
>  90 350SDL is a 126, same as my 91 350SDL with 192 kmi.  Some  call
'em
>  "rod
>  benders."
>  First 140 SD's were '92 - also "rod benders."
> 
>  Wilton
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:27 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL
> 
> 
> > Ran across the above MB locally - is this a W140 with the  problem
> > prone
>  rod bender?  Or could it be a little early for that?
> >
> > He's asking $4000 for it - found out I have a fractured leg
> > yesterday so I
>  have to wait a couple of weeks before checking it out further.
> >
> > He says he changes the oil every 3000 miles and has 272K miles.
> >
> > Thx -
> > Sincerely,
> > Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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Re: [MBZ] which old airplane?

[Peter Frederick]

Yeah, I understand that.

My father was working on B-29s during the "Battle of Kansas" where  
the Army worked like crazy to turn them from junkers into fighting  
aircraft.  He spent a lot of time on the gun control system, which  
started him off on his  carrer in electrical engineering, designing  
automated control systems.


I'd love to be able to walk through that B-29 with him!.  Sadly, he's  
been gone since 1976, when I was too young to really appreciate him.


Peter

On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:02 PM, LWB250 wrote:

Dad was a flight engineer on a B-29 based on Guam and Tinian (sp?)  
that was configured for recon only.  The bomb bay was loaded with  
cameras and there were only two operable turrets and a tail gun.


We used to walk through the B-29 fuselage at the museum at Wright  
Patterson AFB when I was a kid and get an earful about the  
airplane.  I wish I could do it with him one more time.


Dan


--- On Fri, 10/17/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] which old airplane?
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 11:01 PM

...B-17 - fast???  Large?  Heavy?  Yeah, I know -

it's all relative and for

its
"time."


That was a wrong guess. As I posted earlier today, it's
the B-29. And it's
significant because of the Enola Gay.

I spent two hours last week with a friend getting the VIP
tour of Boeing's
restored and airworthy B-17 and Seattle's Museum of
Flight's B-29. I learned a
lot.

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Re: [MBZ] test

[OK Don]

Land, paving, graft ---

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Arnold wrote:
>>
>> Town near mine, they talked the town into spending $50k in a nitrogen
>> tire filling set-up.
>
> Huh?
> 2 Nitrogen tanks $1000
> Regulator $50.
> Hose and tire chuck $30.
> Plus whatever it costs to have the local compressed gas dealer swap out the
> empty tank for a full one.
>
>
> Am I missing something essential?
>
> Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] which old airplane?

[LWB250]

Dad was a flight engineer on a B-29 based on Guam and Tinian (sp?) that was 
configured for recon only.  The bomb bay was loaded with cameras and there were 
only two operable turrets and a tail gun.

We used to walk through the B-29 fuselage at the museum at Wright Patterson AFB 
when I was a kid and get an earful about the airplane.  I wish I could do it 
with him one more time.

Dan


--- On Fri, 10/17/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] which old airplane?
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 11:01 PM
> > ...B-17 - fast???  Large?  Heavy?  Yeah, I know -
> it's all relative and for 
> > its
> > "time."
> > 
> That was a wrong guess. As I posted earlier today, it's
> the B-29. And it's 
> significant because of the Enola Gay.
> 
> I spent two hours last week with a friend getting the VIP
> tour of Boeing's 
> restored and airworthy B-17 and Seattle's Museum of
> Flight's B-29. I learned a 
> lot.
> 
> RLE
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Marxism was: Re: OT - Joe The Plumber

[Gary Hurst]

the marx brothers will come back once intelligent members of a new
generation see it.  much of the material is just too good.  i also think
that in a nation that seeks to suppress more and more liberties every day
with a population that largely encourages the government to do so, many will
discover anarchic comedies as a release (sort of like happy musicals during
the depression).

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> At 2:00 PM -0400 10/18/08, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> that's a marxism we can all subscribe too!
>>
>
> You bet your life!  :)
>
>
>> i think there is a decline in interest in the marx brothers.  is duck soup
>> maybe too complex for all but the very brightest americans?  i think  mack
>> sennett and hal roach might also material too tough for us nowadays.
>>
>
> Sad but true.  Plus the classic cartoons are too violent, etc., etc.
> Marching morons, indeed.
>
> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[LarryT]

I think I'll have a look at the 90 I mentioned - 272K miles, no oil with 3K 
chenges, - I'm hoping with that many miles it may not ben a rod bender and 
we can get another 100K miles out of the old girl.


At $4k it should buy a nice big sedan .that cruises smoothly.  Trying to 
find out if it has both airbags in front  --  being a S Class it may be 
td  -


Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL


Either the rods bend in service or they don't.  No way to tell by 
looking, all you get is suddenly seriously increasing oil consumption  and 
soon loose piston noise as the cylinder wears oval from the  twisted rod.


The 3.0L 603 will also bend rods, but I believe that is usually a bad 
head gasket allowing oil into #1 from the chain tensioner oil passage 
across the front.  Eventually it will hydrolock and bend the #1 rod. 
There is some speculation that glassy carbon from the crossover pipe  can 
do the same thing.


Peter

On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:09 AM, LarryT wrote:


You wrote <>\\

Hmm... I was under the impression "elevated oil use"  was the only  way 
to tell.  What do you look for when driving to learn if it's a  rod 
bender or not?


Since it's a 126 I assume the biodegradable wiring is not an issue?

Thanks for the info !

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
- Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL


But then I know of one with at least 275,000 miles (it was in for  a 
"big service" at my friend's shop) with the original engine and  no 
problems.


Some bend the rods, some don't, and there is no way to tell but  to 
drive them.


Peter

On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

90 350SDL is a 126, same as my 91 350SDL with 192 kmi.  Some  call  'em 
"rod

benders."
First 140 SD's were '92 - also "rod benders."

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL


Ran across the above MB locally - is this a W140 with the  problem 
prone

rod bender?  Or could it be a little early for that?


He's asking $4000 for it - found out I have a fractured leg 
yesterday so I

have to wait a couple of weeks before checking it out further.


He says he changes the oil every 3000 miles and has 272K miles.

Thx -
Sincerely,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

it's that new breakfast cereal everyone is talking about

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> P O T U S = President of the United States.  'Don't know what POSTUS is.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?
>
>
> > Did anyone explain POSTUS?
> >
> > Luther
> >
> > Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > > A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get the
> "Hillary
> > > vote."
> > >
> > > Wilton
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> She's even more clueless than Bush --
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>> really, why is that?
> > >>>
> > >>> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for
> "country
> >  first," he would not have picked Sarah.
> > 
> > 
> > >> --
> > >> OK Don, KD5NRO
> > >> Norman, OK
> > >> "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> > >> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
> > >> '90 300D (Rattled),  '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent
> > >>
> > > van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Wilton Strickland]

Maybe - government stupidity.

Wilton

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] test


> Peter Arnold wrote:
> > Town near mine, they talked the town into spending $50k in a nitrogen
> > tire filling set-up.
>
> Huh?
> 2 Nitrogen tanks $1000
> Regulator $50.
> Hose and tire chuck $30.
> Plus whatever it costs to have the local compressed gas dealer swap out
the
> empty tank for a full one.
>
>
> Am I missing something essential?
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] test

[Mitch Haley]

Peter Arnold wrote:

Town near mine, they talked the town into spending $50k in a nitrogen
tire filling set-up.


Huh?
2 Nitrogen tanks $1000
Regulator $50.
Hose and tire chuck $30.
Plus whatever it costs to have the local compressed gas dealer swap out the 
empty tank for a full one.



Am I missing something essential?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

P O T U S = President of the United States.  'Don't know what POSTUS is.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> Did anyone explain POSTUS?
>
> Luther
>
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get the
"Hillary
> > vote."
> >
> > Wilton
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?
> >
> >
> >
> >> She's even more clueless than Bush --
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> really, why is that?
> >>>
> >>> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >>>
>  Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for
"country
>  first," he would not have picked Sarah.
> 
> 
> >> --
> >> OK Don, KD5NRO
> >> Norman, OK
> >> "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> >> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
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Re: [MBZ] layoffs

[LarryT]

Some people never go into business for themself - one of the primary reasons 
given it "lack of security"  -- at times like this, it's easy to see how 
little security there is working for others.


When all is done, security if what we make of it -

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From: "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] layoffs




Yesterday returning to the Orlando airport, my Thrifty shuttle buss driver
said that 10 Thrifty employees were laid off the previous afternoon.  So
this is serious ... even amusement parks are having problems.


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Re: [MBZ] a new thread

[Luther]

I'm nearly positive this is NOT my ISP.  I have tried responding to this 
thread on my phone, and it is also immediately denied when it hits the 
server to be sent.  As you can see (at OK Don's suggestion), I had to 
delete the link for this one to go through.  I think there's some 1st 
amendment violation going on here


Luther, feeling slightly repressed here...

Luther wrote:

The following was denied once


Yup, that's the one.  I had to copy ALL of that text into a brand new 
email, then copy the subject line and send it.  Then, I tried to 
reply/forward THAT new thread, and IT ALSO WAS DENIED!!  I could see 
an error with one email, but the second one?  UGH!


Luther, feeling a bit communisticly repressed

OK Don wrote:

I see this one in that thread from you, but only this one --


"WOW. I might just vote for him so I can say I voted for "the first
time in the history of our government that an unqualified person has
run for the office of president,". I might just do that"


On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
 
OK, I'm ing pissed at my email company right now.  I've tried 
multiple
different ways to reply or forward a certain previous email I sent 
about a
certain presidential candidate's citizenship status, and it 
continually is
blocked by the email server.  This is REALLY pissing me off 
Enough to
consider calling a lawyer or the state attorney general for this 
company.

 !

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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (181 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] 300D Late Shifting

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, it runs from the at to the linkage

LarryT wrote:

Good idea - will check the carpet -

and maybe find a way to lubricate the control pressure cable.  Does it 
run from the IP to the AT?  Is there an easy way to ID it?



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- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Late Shifting


the shift points are controlled by the control pressure cable.  Maybe 
its sticking.  The kickdown solenoid might also be sticking.  One 
other thing to check to see if some carpeting got caught under the 
pedal and is causing the kickdown switch to be pushed


LarryT wrote:
Wife came home in her W124 91 300D 2.5T this evening and said her car 
wasn't shifting properly - would rev without shifting.


We went for a ride and sure enough,  it's shifting at ~4200rpm 
regardless of throttle position.  As we came home it started working 
properly again - kind of - wasn't shifting at late as before - It did 
this before when the little vacuum hose on the upper side of the vac 
pump came loose but I fixed it properly a while back and it only 
comes off if I want it off.  It is not the problem this time - 
securely in place.   The vacuum pump was replaced approx 6 months ago.


So, are there any other controls for the shift linkage?  Perhap a 
modulator (just a guess) or is there something else that controls the 
shift points?


Any suggestions?  What can I look at?  Just printed the Vacuum 
Diagram from the manual - will study it --


Hopefully it won't require much action on my part - found out Thur I 
have a fracture called a Tibial Plateau fracture - where the shin 
bone meets the knee one of the small portrusions that keep things 
aligned has cracked.  No cast
 but I need to wear a brace probably for 3 months.  Not crazy about 
this --

Thx ya'll --

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[OK Don]

We're talking politics here - same as if it was religion, logic does not apply.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:58 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They're not listening to logic Kaleb, they've been blinded by the hype.
>

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[MBZ] a new thread

[Luther]

The following was denied once


Yup, that's the one.  I had to copy ALL of that text into a brand new 
email, then copy the subject line and send it.  Then, I tried to 
reply/forward THAT new thread, and IT ALSO WAS DENIED!!  I could see an 
error with one email, but the second one?  UGH!


Luther, feeling a bit communisticly repressed

OK Don wrote:

I see this one in that thread from you, but only this one --


"WOW. I might just vote for him so I can say I voted for "the first
time in the history of our government that an unqualified person has
run for the office of president,". I might just do that"


On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

OK, I'm ing pissed at my email company right now.  I've tried multiple
different ways to reply or forward a certain previous email I sent about a
certain presidential candidate's citizenship status, and it continually is
blocked by the email server.  This is REALLY pissing me off Enough to
consider calling a lawyer or the state attorney general for this company.
 !

 --
 Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (278,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (181 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"



  


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Luther]

Did anyone explain POSTUS?

Luther

Wilton Strickland wrote:

A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get the "Hillary
vote."

Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


  

She's even more clueless than Bush --

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


wrote:
  

really, why is that?

Wilton Strickland wrote:
  

Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
first," he would not have picked Sarah.



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van-go)


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[OK Don]

No - Peter is describing a LOT (most?) of our politicians, you can
clearly see this from listening to her and reading her record.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:38 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I cant tell if you;re describing obama or palin?
> regardless you seem to be making a lot of assumptions and 3rd person
> characterizations.
> and relying on journalists to provide insight is just does not reliable
> information.  Their personal agendas get in the way of their so-called
> professionalism.
>


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Re: [MBZ] 300D Late Shifting

[LarryT]

Good idea - will check the carpet -

and maybe find a way to lubricate the control pressure cable.  Does it run 
from the IP to the AT?  Is there an easy way to ID it?



Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Late Shifting


the shift points are controlled by the control pressure cable.  Maybe its 
sticking.  The kickdown solenoid might also be sticking.  One other thing 
to check to see if some carpeting got caught under the pedal and is 
causing the kickdown switch to be pushed


LarryT wrote:
Wife came home in her W124 91 300D 2.5T this evening and said her car 
wasn't shifting properly - would rev without shifting.


We went for a ride and sure enough,  it's shifting at ~4200rpm regardless 
of throttle position.  As we came home it started working properly 
again - kind of - wasn't shifting at late as before - It did this before 
when the little vacuum hose on the upper side of the vac pump came loose 
but I fixed it properly a while back and it only comes off if I want it 
off.  It is not the problem this time - securely in place.   The vacuum 
pump was replaced approx 6 months ago.


So, are there any other controls for the shift linkage?  Perhap a 
modulator (just a guess) or is there something else that controls the 
shift points?


Any suggestions?  What can I look at?  Just printed the Vacuum Diagram 
from the manual - will study it --


Hopefully it won't require much action on my part - found out Thur I have 
a fracture called a Tibial Plateau fracture - where the shin bone meets 
the knee one of the small portrusions that keep things aligned has 
cracked.  No cast
 but I need to wear a brace probably for 3 months.  Not crazy about 
this -- 


Thx ya'll --

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[LarryT]

They're not listening to logic Kaleb, they've been blinded by the hype.

No matter he has no management experience to speak of, no matter his mentor 
of the last 20 years is an anti-american who weekly (and probably more 
often) preached hatred and pro socialist values, he used legal maneuvurings 
to have his competition removed from the ticket to win a seat on the Ill 
Senate, was friends with an avowed terrorist who conspired to blow up public 
buildings and kill people and shortly after 9/11 said he'd do it again and 
hopefully do more, believe babies born alive should not be allowed to remain 
alive, "says" he is pro 2nd Amend but has repeatedly voted *for* further 
restrictions or total elimination of guns from the hands of law abiding 
citizens, believes illegal aliens should have drivers licenses as well as 
receive free healthcare and public education.


That's why I cannot support him.  Not crazy about mccain - because he;s a 
democrat - but obama is a socialist which I believe is worse.


Sincerely,
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


I still cant believe that osama bin bamba even got this far in the race in 
the first place.  I cant believe people are even considering him with even 
a possibility any of the things about him are true.


Mitch Haley wrote:

Rolf wrote:
Steaming piles of horse shit. Among other things, there is nothing that 
says a dual citizen can't be POTUS. Unless he can prove that she 
rescinded her US citizenship *IN WRITING* this is just a bunch of crap. 
Since he hasn't even mentioned such a document.


That was my initial reaction last summer.

If it were as simple as you assume it is, the court case would have been 
dismissed months ago.


I'm seeing claims that under 1961 law, if you weren't born on US soil, 
you were a citizen if one of your parents was a US citizen, at least 19 
years of age, who had resided in the USA for at least ten years, residing 
in the US for at least five years after attaining the age of 14. Mrs. 
Stanley Ann Obama was 18 when Barry was born.


I just finished reading this thread, I suggest you do the same. The forum 
may have a Republican bias, but they're into facts, not emotion:

http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/41216/

Here's an interview with the guy who sued Obama (yep, he's biased):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs


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Re: [MBZ] OT Got my washer filter installed

[Luther]

I tried to respond to OK Don's post that quotes my post that is in 
question, and it was DENIED!  Wha


Luther

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you failed

Luther wrote:

Test?

Luther

OK Don wrote:

"I am in septic, and was never aware of this problem when we were
discussing it a while back."

First, crawl out of the septic tank ---

  



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Re: [MBZ] test

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, you failed

Luther wrote:

No, my email failed...

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you failed

Luther wrote:

?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Got my washer filter installed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you failed

Luther wrote:

Test?

Luther

OK Don wrote:

"I am in septic, and was never aware of this problem when we were
discussing it a while back."

First, crawl out of the septic tank ---

  



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Re: [MBZ] test

[Luther]

No, my email failed...

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you failed

Luther wrote:

?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Got my washer filter installed

[Luther]

Test?

Luther

OK Don wrote:

"I am in septic, and was never aware of this problem when we were
discussing it a while back."

First, crawl out of the septic tank ---

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[OK Don]

Excellent description, Peter.

Also, Alaska has the population of a mid-sized city - 670,000. With so
much money that they give our tax money to there citizens every year
-- and continue to accept pork money to re-distribute to Alaskans. Now
there's a good model of fiscal responsibility with public money.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's easy.
>
> Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met over the
> years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly exclusively) who
> simply cannot differentiate the notion of public service from their concept
> of personal existence.  Not a full blown sociopath, but simply do not
> understand the concept that other's have any real existence at all, or that
> their actions might be in conflict with someone else's beliefs and that
> others might have a right to disagree or be correct in that disagreement.
>
> As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow political
> reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the difference between her
> official duties and her personal life, got the answer, "you don't understand
> -- for her there there IS no difference".  She is very sharp at discerning a
> way to make a distinction difference between herself and someone else, but
> there is no philosophical or ideological basis for that distinction, she
> will use whatever works and blithely discard it when it no longer works and
> simply refuse to acknowledge that she had any particular stance or made any
> particular statement.  She operates solely on pure personal loyalty, and has
> been known to savage "friends", political or personal,  who fail to support
> her unquestioningly, especially when she makes one of her about-faces on
> policy.
>
> I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type pretty
> often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright, but usually only
> memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite good at memorizing
> scripts, but have serious difficulties with synthesis (that is,
> understanding a concept and evaluating the dynamics of problems,
> troubleshooting, or producing solutions to problems that are not examples in
> the textbook, as they don't really understand things).  They can appear
> quite articulate until you carefully analyze what they are saying, at which
> point it often becomes either circular logic or variations upon a set group
> of catch phrases.  A pattern of tossing out jumbled ideas in conversation is
> typical, and when you appear to agree with something partially, that phrase
> or idea will be modified to suit what appears to be your interpretation,
> although what gets repeated or passed on will not be the same.
>
> A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her intelligence and
> perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes well, and in fact is doing a
> very poor job as Governor of Alaska.  Easy state to be Governor of -- awash
> in money, with more readily available at any time by raising oil royalties
> and taxes.  No State income tax, low sales taxes, no real reliance on the
> population for financial support, and a population who doesn't really care
> what the state government does so long as it doesn't impinge much on the
> citizens life much except in terms of services received.  Alaska is the
> recipient of vastly more Federal money per capital than any other state, and
> I've not seen Palin say anything about that -- I'm sure she would have some
> nasty smart-alec  comment that other states should just do as good a job at
> lobbying as they do.
>
> Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.
>
> Peter
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[LarryT]

I cant tell if you;re describing obama or palin?
regardless you seem to be making a lot of assumptions and 3rd person 
characterizations.
and relying on journalists to provide insight is just does not reliable 
information.  Their personal agendas get in the way of their so-called 
professionalism.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?



That's easy.

Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met over  the 
years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly  exclusively) 
who simply cannot differentiate the notion of public  service from their 
concept of personal existence.  Not a full blown  sociopath, but simply do 
not understand the concept that other's have  any real existence at all, 
or that their actions might be in conflict  with someone else's beliefs 
and that others might have a right to  disagree or be correct in that 
disagreement.


As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow 
political reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the  difference 
between her official duties and her personal life, got the  answer, "you 
don't understand -- for her there there IS no  difference".  She is very 
sharp at discerning a way to make a  distinction difference between 
herself and someone else, but there is  no philosophical or ideological 
basis for that distinction, she will  use whatever works and blithely 
discard it when it no longer works  and simply refuse to acknowledge that 
she had any particular stance  or made any particular statement.  She 
operates solely on pure  personal loyalty, and has been known to savage 
"friends", political  or personal,  who fail to support her 
unquestioningly, especially  when she makes one of her about-faces on 
policy.


I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type  pretty 
often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright,  but usually 
only memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite  good at memorizing 
scripts, but have serious difficulties with  synthesis (that is, 
understanding a concept and evaluating the  dynamics of problems, 
troubleshooting, or producing solutions to  problems that are not examples 
in the textbook, as they don't really  understand things).  They can 
appear quite articulate until you  carefully analyze what they are saying, 
at which point it often  becomes either circular logic or variations upon 
a set group of catch  phrases.  A pattern of tossing out jumbled ideas in 
conversation is  typical, and when you appear to agree with something 
partially, that  phrase or idea will be modified to suit what appears to 
be your  interpretation, although what gets repeated or passed on will not 
be  the same.


A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her intelligence  and 
perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes well, and in fact  is doing 
a very poor job as Governor of Alaska.  Easy state to be  Governor of --  
awash in money, with more readily available at any  time by raising oil 
royalties and taxes.  No State income tax, low  sales taxes, no real 
reliance on the population for financial  support, and a population who 
doesn't really care what the state  government does so long as it doesn't 
impinge much on the citizens  life much except in terms of services 
received.  Alaska is the  recipient of vastly more Federal money per 
capital than any other  state, and I've not seen Palin say anything about 
that -- I'm sure  she would have some nasty smart-alec  comment that other 
states  should just do as good a job at lobbying as they do.


Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.

Peter


On Oct 18, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Wilton Strickland wrote:
A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get  the 
"Hillary

vote."


So what's wrong with Sarah Palin, other than she's not that  comfortable 
with unscripted public speech and she's only slightly  more experienced 
than Barry Soetoro?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] test

[Peter Arnold]

Town near mine, they talked the town into spending $50k in a nitrogen
tire filling set-up.

Who Knew?

Pete
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:06:43 -0400, you wrote:

>OK, I'm ing pissed at my email company right now.  I've tried 
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>sent about a certain presidential candidate's citizenship status, and 
>it continually is blocked by the email server.  This is REALLY pissing 
>me off Enough to consider calling a lawyer or the state attorney 
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>Quoting Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> ?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Marxism was: Re: OT - Joe The Plumber

[M. Mitchell Marmel]

At 2:00 PM -0400 10/18/08, Gary Hurst wrote:

that's a marxism we can all subscribe too!


You bet your life!  :)



i think there is a decline in interest in the marx brothers.  is duck soup
maybe too complex for all but the very brightest americans?  i think  mack
sennett and hal roach might also material too tough for us nowadays.


Sad but true.  Plus the classic cartoons are too violent, etc., etc. 
Marching morons, indeed.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Peter Frederick]

Sigh, another believer in the absolute power of elected officials.

After all, she really is guided by a "higher law than mere mortal  
men's law" 


Peter
On Oct 18, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

And wonder what part of "abuse of power" and "violated ethics" does  
she not

understand.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?



That's easy.

Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met over
the years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly
exclusively) who simply cannot differentiate the notion of public
service from their concept of personal existence.  Not a full blown
sociopath, but simply do not understand the concept that other's have
any real existence at all, or that their actions might be in conflict
with someone else's beliefs and that others might have a right to
disagree or be correct in that disagreement.

As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow
political reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the
difference between her official duties and her personal life, got the
answer, "you don't understand -- for her there there IS no
difference".  She is very sharp at discerning a way to make a
distinction difference between herself and someone else, but there is
no philosophical or ideological basis for that distinction, she will
use whatever works and blithely discard it when it no longer works
and simply refuse to acknowledge that she had any particular stance
or made any particular statement.  She operates solely on pure
personal loyalty, and has been known to savage "friends", political
or personal,  who fail to support her unquestioningly, especially
when she makes one of her about-faces on policy.

I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type
pretty often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright,
but usually only memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite
good at memorizing scripts, but have serious difficulties with
synthesis (that is, understanding a concept and evaluating the
dynamics of problems, troubleshooting, or producing solutions to
problems that are not examples in the textbook, as they don't really
understand things).  They can appear quite articulate until you
carefully analyze what they are saying, at which point it often
becomes either circular logic or variations upon a set group of catch
phrases.  A pattern of tossing out jumbled ideas in conversation is
typical, and when you appear to agree with something partially, that
phrase or idea will be modified to suit what appears to be your
interpretation, although what gets repeated or passed on will not be
the same.

A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her intelligence
and perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes well, and in fact
is doing a very poor job as Governor of Alaska.  Easy state to be
Governor of -- awash in money, with more readily available at any
time by raising oil royalties and taxes.  No State income tax, low
sales taxes, no real reliance on the population for financial
support, and a population who doesn't really care what the state
government does so long as it doesn't impinge much on the citizens
life much except in terms of services received.  Alaska is the
recipient of vastly more Federal money per capital than any other
state, and I've not seen Palin say anything about that -- I'm sure
she would have some nasty smart-alec  comment that other states
should just do as good a job at lobbying as they do.

Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.

Peter


On Oct 18, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Wilton Strickland wrote:

A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get
the "Hillary
vote."


So what's wrong with Sarah Palin, other than she's not that
comfortable with unscripted public speech and she's only slightly
more experienced than Barry Soetoro?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] test

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Luther wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

And wonder what part of "abuse of power" and "violated ethics" does she not
understand.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> That's easy.
>
> Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met over
> the years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly
> exclusively) who simply cannot differentiate the notion of public
> service from their concept of personal existence.  Not a full blown
> sociopath, but simply do not understand the concept that other's have
> any real existence at all, or that their actions might be in conflict
> with someone else's beliefs and that others might have a right to
> disagree or be correct in that disagreement.
>
> As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow
> political reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the
> difference between her official duties and her personal life, got the
> answer, "you don't understand -- for her there there IS no
> difference".  She is very sharp at discerning a way to make a
> distinction difference between herself and someone else, but there is
> no philosophical or ideological basis for that distinction, she will
> use whatever works and blithely discard it when it no longer works
> and simply refuse to acknowledge that she had any particular stance
> or made any particular statement.  She operates solely on pure
> personal loyalty, and has been known to savage "friends", political
> or personal,  who fail to support her unquestioningly, especially
> when she makes one of her about-faces on policy.
>
> I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type
> pretty often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright,
> but usually only memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite
> good at memorizing scripts, but have serious difficulties with
> synthesis (that is, understanding a concept and evaluating the
> dynamics of problems, troubleshooting, or producing solutions to
> problems that are not examples in the textbook, as they don't really
> understand things).  They can appear quite articulate until you
> carefully analyze what they are saying, at which point it often
> becomes either circular logic or variations upon a set group of catch
> phrases.  A pattern of tossing out jumbled ideas in conversation is
> typical, and when you appear to agree with something partially, that
> phrase or idea will be modified to suit what appears to be your
> interpretation, although what gets repeated or passed on will not be
> the same.
>
> A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her intelligence
> and perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes well, and in fact
> is doing a very poor job as Governor of Alaska.  Easy state to be
> Governor of -- awash in money, with more readily available at any
> time by raising oil royalties and taxes.  No State income tax, low
> sales taxes, no real reliance on the population for financial
> support, and a population who doesn't really care what the state
> government does so long as it doesn't impinge much on the citizens
> life much except in terms of services received.  Alaska is the
> recipient of vastly more Federal money per capital than any other
> state, and I've not seen Palin say anything about that -- I'm sure
> she would have some nasty smart-alec  comment that other states
> should just do as good a job at lobbying as they do.
>
> Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >> A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get
> >> the "Hillary
> >> vote."
> >
> > So what's wrong with Sarah Palin, other than she's not that
> > comfortable with unscripted public speech and she's only slightly
> > more experienced than Barry Soetoro?
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] layoffs

[Scott Ritchey]

Yesterday returning to the Orlando airport, my Thrifty shuttle buss driver
said that 10 Thrifty employees were laid off the previous afternoon.  So
this is serious ... even amusement parks are having problems.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Peter Frederick]

That's easy.

Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met over  
the years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly  
exclusively) who simply cannot differentiate the notion of public  
service from their concept of personal existence.  Not a full blown  
sociopath, but simply do not understand the concept that other's have  
any real existence at all, or that their actions might be in conflict  
with someone else's beliefs and that others might have a right to  
disagree or be correct in that disagreement.


As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow  
political reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the  
difference between her official duties and her personal life, got the  
answer, "you don't understand -- for her there there IS no  
difference".  She is very sharp at discerning a way to make a  
distinction difference between herself and someone else, but there is  
no philosophical or ideological basis for that distinction, she will  
use whatever works and blithely discard it when it no longer works  
and simply refuse to acknowledge that she had any particular stance  
or made any particular statement.  She operates solely on pure  
personal loyalty, and has been known to savage "friends", political  
or personal,  who fail to support her unquestioningly, especially  
when she makes one of her about-faces on policy.


I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type  
pretty often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright,  
but usually only memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite  
good at memorizing scripts, but have serious difficulties with  
synthesis (that is, understanding a concept and evaluating the  
dynamics of problems, troubleshooting, or producing solutions to  
problems that are not examples in the textbook, as they don't really  
understand things).  They can appear quite articulate until you  
carefully analyze what they are saying, at which point it often  
becomes either circular logic or variations upon a set group of catch  
phrases.  A pattern of tossing out jumbled ideas in conversation is  
typical, and when you appear to agree with something partially, that  
phrase or idea will be modified to suit what appears to be your  
interpretation, although what gets repeated or passed on will not be  
the same.


A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her intelligence  
and perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes well, and in fact  
is doing a very poor job as Governor of Alaska.  Easy state to be  
Governor of -- awash in money, with more readily available at any  
time by raising oil royalties and taxes.  No State income tax, low  
sales taxes, no real reliance on the population for financial  
support, and a population who doesn't really care what the state  
government does so long as it doesn't impinge much on the citizens  
life much except in terms of services received.  Alaska is the  
recipient of vastly more Federal money per capital than any other  
state, and I've not seen Palin say anything about that -- I'm sure  
she would have some nasty smart-alec  comment that other states  
should just do as good a job at lobbying as they do.


Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.

Peter


On Oct 18, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Wilton Strickland wrote:
A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get  
the "Hillary

vote."


So what's wrong with Sarah Palin, other than she's not that  
comfortable with unscripted public speech and she's only slightly  
more experienced than Barry Soetoro?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

half retarded frontierswoman who has indicated that she wants war with
russia?

oh, yeah, you want her running your country!

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>
>> A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get the
>> "Hillary
>> vote."
>>
>
> So what's wrong with Sarah Palin, other than she's not that comfortable
> with unscripted public speech and she's only slightly more experienced than
> Barry Soetoro?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Scott Ritchey]

Why is Sarah less qualified than other governor candidates, say Bill Clinton
or Jimmy Carter?  Categorically, I would think someone with executive
experience would be more qualified to be president than someone who only has
experience as a member of a committee.

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Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
first," he would not have picked Sarah.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > So what if obamo is elected, gets in there, and then they discover he is
> > not a citizen or something like that.  Will he get kicked out and biden
> > get it?  That doesnt seem right because this fact would have thrown off
> > the whole process, and mccain should not have been running against him
> > in the first place, so he might have got elected running against
> > somebody else.
>
> Better yet, what if Obama wins Nov 4th, Phil Berg gets him disqualified
before
> Dec 15th, and Hillary wins in the Electoral College? It might be 2012
before all
> the court challenges are through. (Biden was a candidate for teh
presidential
> nomination, so I would think he'd expect the electoral votes, but I think
> Hillary would try for them too)
>
> The vice presidential candidates are more important than usual, because
there's
> a very real chance the winner of next month's election will be dead or
> disqualified a year from now. What's the life expectancy of somebody born
in
> 1936, let alone somebody who spent five years in deplorable prison
conditions?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

Wilton Strickland wrote:

A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get the "Hillary
vote."


So what's wrong with Sarah Palin, other than she's not that comfortable with 
unscripted public speech and she's only slightly more experienced than Barry 
Soetoro?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

A reckless, short-sighted political stunt by John to try to get the "Hillary
vote."

Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> She's even more clueless than Bush --
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > really, why is that?
> >
> > Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
> >> first," he would not have picked Sarah.
> >>
>
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] More BS - magnets

[OK Don]

Going for the gusto, I use the magnets from old hard drives --

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i prefer alnico magnets myself
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Scammers in Raleigh have convinced Wake County officials to try magnets
>> around fleet's fuel lines to improve efficiency by 22% to 33%.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Got my washer filter installed

[OK Don]

"I am in septic, and was never aware of this problem when we were
discussing it a while back."

First, crawl out of the septic tank ---

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Re: [MBZ] test

[OK Don]

I see this one in that thread from you, but only this one --

"http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20168225&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8";

"WOW. I might just vote for him so I can say I voted for "the first
time in the history of our government that an unqualified person has
run for the office of president,". I might just do that"


On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I'm ing pissed at my email company right now.  I've tried multiple
> different ways to reply or forward a certain previous email I sent about a
> certain presidential candidate's citizenship status, and it continually is
> blocked by the email server.  This is REALLY pissing me off Enough to
> consider calling a lawyer or the state attorney general for this company.
>  !
>
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>
>
>
> Quoting Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> ?
>>
>>  --
>>  Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
>> '87 300SDL (278,xxx mi)
>> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
>> '82 300CD (181 kmi)
>> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
>> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[OK Don]

She's even more clueless than Bush --

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> really, why is that?
>
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
>> first," he would not have picked Sarah.
>>


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Re: [MBZ] El Camino 107? was: Re: Here's a MB I have never seen before

[OK Don]

I did see a decent job of making a pickup out of a finnie once --

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Alex Chamberlain
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 7:53 PM -0500 10/17/08, OK Don wrote:
>>>
>>> The SLC, with the extra 7" (?) would be very nice to that.
>
> I am sure I saw a picture of a SLCamino at some point.  Can't seem to
> Google it when I want it.  I am liking this one, though:
>
> http://tiny.cc/pkqoQ
>
> A BMW repair shop in Portland has a pickup made out of a 2002 which
> looks godawful---like somebody was trying to make a convertible,
> slipped up with the Sawzall, and just kept going.  Not a very good
> advertisement for their abilities, methinks.
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT, mouse always clicking twice?

[OK Don]

I have FireFox, and a LOT of other stuff, most al of it up-to-date
with patches, and I don't have this issue (knocking on wood).

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yea, I have firefox installed, but this happens in all aspects of windows,
> and programs.
>
> Peter Frederick wrote:
>>
>> I'm having the same problems -- are you using FireFox perhaps?
>>
>> Very annoying, and it's happening on two different computers and three
>> different mice, too.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] El Camino 107? was: Re: Here's a MB I have never seen before

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

At 7:53 PM -0500 10/17/08, OK Don wrote:

The SLC, with the extra 7" (?) would be very nice to that.


I am sure I saw a picture of a SLCamino at some point.  Can't seem to
Google it when I want it.  I am liking this one, though:


I saw a picture of a W116 450 SECamino once, but it didn't look very good.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber and tax dodger like certain Dem senators

[OK Don]

Yup - WE are going to pay for Bush's follies.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All this talk is pretty much irrelevant anyway.  Osama Apollo bamo will get
> in there, then discover he is going to have to RAISE taxes in order to pay
> back China. Whoever gets in there, our taxes WILL go up.
>


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Re: [MBZ] which old airplane?

[OK Don]

I've read that it took quite a lot of strength to fly the B17 -
stable, but hard to maneuver.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Both the B-17 and the B-29 were reportedly easy to fly, well balanced and
> easy to trim.  Not true in the case of the B-24:  you had to fight that one
> the entire trip.
>
> I thought the B-29 had boosted controls though.


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Re: [MBZ] El Camino 107? was: Re: Here's a MB I have never seen before

[Alex Chamberlain]

> At 7:53 PM -0500 10/17/08, OK Don wrote:
>>
>> The SLC, with the extra 7" (?) would be very nice to that.

I am sure I saw a picture of a SLCamino at some point.  Can't seem to
Google it when I want it.  I am liking this one, though:

http://tiny.cc/pkqoQ

A BMW repair shop in Portland has a pickup made out of a 2002 which
looks godawful---like somebody was trying to make a convertible,
slipped up with the Sawzall, and just kept going.  Not a very good
advertisement for their abilities, methinks.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Marxism was: Re: OT - Joe The Plumber

[Gary Hurst]

that's a marxism we can all subscribe too!

i think there is a decline in interest in the marx brothers.  is duck soup
maybe too complex for all but the very brightest americans?  i think  mack
sennett and hal roach might also material too tough for us nowadays.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:27 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> At 10:17 PM -0500 10/17/08, Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> Actually, I want Marxism to reflect what Marx actually said.
>>
>
> Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And
> east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like
> applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh...
> now you tell me what you know.
>
> A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
>
> All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats.
>
> Humor is reason gone mad.
>
> I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I
> go into the other room and read a book.
>
> I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it.
>
> I intend to live forever, or die trying.
>
> I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can
> choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I
> have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it.
>
> One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas
> I'll never know.
>
> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
> dark to read.
>
> Please accept my resignation. I don't care to belong to any club that will
> have me as a member.
>
> Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
> diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
>
> The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that,
> you've got it made.
>
> There is one way to find out if a man is honest; ask him! If he says yes
> you know he's crooked.
>
> Why a four-year-old child could understand this report. Run out and find me
> a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it.
>
> Why should I care about posterity? What's posterity ever done for me?
>
> Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
>
> Groucho Marx
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Re: [MBZ] More BS - magnets

[Gary Hurst]

i prefer alnico magnets myself

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Scammers in Raleigh have convinced Wake County officials to try magnets
> around fleet's fuel lines to improve efficiency by 22% to 33%.
>
> Wilton
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Got my washer filter installed

[harry watkins]

Kaleb,  Mine cost $166 delivered.

http://www.laundry-alternative.com/catalog/Septic_Systems-4-1.html

Harry



OK, tell me about this again.  Where did you get it and how much did it 
cost?  I am in septic, and was never aware of this problem when we were 
discussing it a while back.



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Re: [MBZ] More BS - magnets- Now NASCAR & FCC

[Chuck Landenberger]

And Mitch, those ads are all over all the TV channels.I guess all  
of the pols have concluded the electorate is rather stupid, based on  
what they get away with historically.


Chuck


On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Chuck Landenberger wrote:

Did you hear of the FCC decision to sponsor (read - RENT!) a  
NASCAR race car for the final three races to advertise the  
elimination of analog TV...  Cost?  $330,000!!In my opinion,  
if ya' don't know about it -TS, ! And FCC, don't spend  
the $330K for anything!!!


If you watch Nascar, you already see the digital conversion  
commercials

(or are those PSAs?).

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] $1.90 gas

[Donald Snook]

Rolf wrote: "No shitting. Saw it at the Marathon on ptree industrial in Buford. 
Line
was wrapped around the building and then the block."

We are at $2.39 today.  The crazy thing was diesel dropped 50 cents overnight. 
It was $3.89 and today it was $3.39


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] test

[Luther]

OK, I'm ing pissed at my email company right now.  I've tried 
multiple different ways to reply or forward a certain previous email I 
sent about a certain presidential candidate's citizenship status, and 
it continually is blocked by the email server.  This is REALLY pissing 
me off Enough to consider calling a lawyer or the state attorney 
general for this company.  !


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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (181 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"



Quoting Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

?

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'87 300SDL (278,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (181 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"



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Re: [MBZ] More BS - magnets- Now NASCAR & FCC

[Mitch Haley]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:

Did you hear of the FCC decision to sponsor (read - RENT!) a NASCAR race 
car for the final three races to advertise the elimination of analog 
TV...  Cost?  $330,000!!In my opinion, if ya' don't know about it 
-TS, ! And FCC, don't spend the $330K for anything!!!


If you watch Nascar, you already see the digital conversion commercials
(or are those PSAs?).

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Luther]

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20168225&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

WOW. I might just vote for him so I can say I voted for "the first time in the 
history of our government that an unqualified person has run for the office of 
president,". I might just do that 

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'82 300CD (181 kmi)
'82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Quoting Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Here's a blog on the subject. Haven't read much yet, but the law student who
> runs it at least puts on the appearance of neutrality:
> http://www.americasright.com/



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[MBZ] More BS - magnets- Now NASCAR & FCC

[Chuck Landenberger]

Wilton,

Just another instance where politicians make decisions about which  
they know nothing or believe anybody or maybe the county official's BIL!


Did you hear of the FCC decision to sponsor (read - RENT!) a NASCAR  
race car for the final three races to advertise the elimination of  
analog TV...  Cost?  $330,000!!In my opinion, if ya' don't know  
about it -TS, ! And FCC, don't spend the $330K for  
anything!!!


Your tax dollars at work again.

Chuck

On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

Scammers in Raleigh have convinced Wake County officials to try  
magnets

around fleet's fuel lines to improve efficiency by 22% to 33%.

Wilton



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[Luther]

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

really, why is that?

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
first," he would not have picked Sarah.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?



Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

So what if obamo is elected, gets in there, and then they discover he is
not a citizen or something like that.  Will he get kicked out and biden
get it?  That doesnt seem right because this fact would have thrown off
the whole process, and mccain should not have been running against him
in the first place, so he might have got elected running against
somebody else.

Better yet, what if Obama wins Nov 4th, Phil Berg gets him disqualified

before

Dec 15th, and Hillary wins in the Electoral College? It might be 2012

before all

the court challenges are through. (Biden was a candidate for teh

presidential

nomination, so I would think he'd expect the electoral votes, but I think
Hillary would try for them too)

The vice presidential candidates are more important than usual, because

there's

a very real chance the winner of next month's election will be dead or
disqualified a year from now. What's the life expectancy of somebody born

in

1936, let alone somebody who spent five years in deplorable prison

conditions?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Anthony Galioto]

The opposition by the Obama team is just a very smart ploy.  Waiting until
the best possible time to produce the required document,  This will give
them reasons to insist that any other claims or charges against him are
political and will be dismissed as such by the media.
Anthony

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TE wrote:
>
>> Haven't you been paying attention? None of these slimy Republicans are
>> "INTO
>> FACTS"
>>
>
> Was that sarcasm, or were you being serious?
> Does everybody who posts on a conservative political forum qualify as
> "these slimy Republicans"?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

Like I said, "Sarah could be POTUS in Jan."  If John were for "country
first," he would not have picked Sarah.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?


> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > So what if obamo is elected, gets in there, and then they discover he is
> > not a citizen or something like that.  Will he get kicked out and biden
> > get it?  That doesnt seem right because this fact would have thrown off
> > the whole process, and mccain should not have been running against him
> > in the first place, so he might have got elected running against
> > somebody else.
>
> Better yet, what if Obama wins Nov 4th, Phil Berg gets him disqualified
before
> Dec 15th, and Hillary wins in the Electoral College? It might be 2012
before all
> the court challenges are through. (Biden was a candidate for teh
presidential
> nomination, so I would think he'd expect the electoral votes, but I think
> Hillary would try for them too)
>
> The vice presidential candidates are more important than usual, because
there's
> a very real chance the winner of next month's election will be dead or
> disqualified a year from now. What's the life expectancy of somebody born
in
> 1936, let alone somebody who spent five years in deplorable prison
conditions?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

TE wrote:

Haven't you been paying attention? None of these slimy Republicans are "INTO
FACTS"


Was that sarcasm, or were you being serious?
Does everybody who posts on a conservative political forum qualify as "these 
slimy Republicans"?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
So what if obamo is elected, gets in there, and then they discover he is 
not a citizen or something like that.  Will he get kicked out and biden 
get it?  That doesnt seem right because this fact would have thrown off 
the whole process, and mccain should not have been running against him 
in the first place, so he might have got elected running against 
somebody else.


Better yet, what if Obama wins Nov 4th, Phil Berg gets him disqualified before 
Dec 15th, and Hillary wins in the Electoral College? It might be 2012 before all 
the court challenges are through. (Biden was a candidate for teh presidential 
nomination, so I would think he'd expect the electoral votes, but I think 
Hillary would try for them too)


The vice presidential candidates are more important than usual, because there's 
a very real chance the winner of next month's election will be dead or 
disqualified a year from now. What's the life expectancy of somebody born in 
1936, let alone somebody who spent five years in deplorable prison conditions?


Mitch.


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[MBZ] More BS - magnets

[Wilton Strickland]

Scammers in Raleigh have convinced Wake County officials to try magnets
around fleet's fuel lines to improve efficiency by 22% to 33%.

Wilton



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