Re: [MBZ] SDL sluggish
$500 and I keep the head and transmission. :D Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: could be POS, I will give you 500 for it. Want to trade something? Luther wrote: Could it be a sticky ALDA? Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
Came with the head. I tested each with an 30-0-30 ameter, and all acted like normal. I will check again now that it's a year later... Luther Peter Frederick wrote: How old are the glow plugs? peter On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Luther wrote: There was a dose of Power Service added to this full tank of fuel that was purchased last week. Also, even when the temp is warm (i.e. 60 or higher) and it's a cold start, it will blow some white smoke for about 10 seconds Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
Normal? NO, not when the 2 other OM617 engines ('83SD '82CD) do not have
any sluggish issues when colder, even below 0F.
Luther
TE wrote:
Dude, this is normal. My SDL would run rough for the first minute or two.
Taking off with a cold engine was a trip... pegged to the floor, slow as
hell. It smoked, it rattled, it was slow... Don't let these fools tell you
that you need this and that, it's either 21 or 22 years old, cut it some
slack.
As long as there is there is no sluggishness or excessive smoke at idle when
up to operating temp, then you have a perfectly sound SDL.
I could be wrong, you may want to CHECK YOUR FUSES!
te
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'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion
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Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off
Sounds like what happened on my old Toyota truck when a rusty brake line finally gave way. Not so much a bang as a sudden loss of brakes. And because it had only one reservoir feeding both circuits, brake fluid was rapidly depleted. I thought MB had a split reservoir, my 300D does, for example. Not sure this explains the grinding. Could a caliper have torn loose somehow? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
The 300E fired right up this morning in 10F temps. Started yesterday at -2F. But that is why it is my winter car! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well the 190D fired right up after less than 10 seconds of glow this morning, ran smooth as silk right off the bat, had normal power. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/8e52b71b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Caravan followup
Hey, the sucker has run more than 70k with NO service. (other than oil changes and tahrs and wiper blades) I really don't relish changing plugs, but now that i know what to take off to get to them, the next time will be a snap. Then there is the better alternative, that I did not even investigate: cutting a hole (or 2 or 3) in the hump under the carpet, and then making a cover for the hole. I think that is probably the best alternative. My 66 ford van had the 240 in the doghouse, and while changing plus was easy, you could not adjust the carb without taking the engine out, or taking the doghouse apart. I took a 2 1/8 holesaw, and cut a hole in the side of the doghouse, then drilled a pilot hole and followed with a 5/8 drill in another spot. Then i could adjust the carb just fine. I made cover plates, and the whole thing looked halfway professional. I think if I had a big cordless drill and a couple of batteries, I could spend an afternoon in the upull, and make a template for future ventures. The first one we had was a 99 with 3.3 engine and it had over 200k miles when it was bit by Bambi the 4th time. This one is a 2000, with 3.3 and is pushing 180k.I will never need to change plugs in it again. I think of it as similar to changing the timing belt on a wabbit Dissel. At 10:31 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote: Loren wrote: I have the Dodge van The next one was a bear, from there I could almost see #3, but could not reach it. Then I tried dropping or rolling the engine forward, but again no dice. decided there was a bolt hidden somewhere i could not get to. I took the alternator out, By now I was really torqued. I could not reach or see #3. I slithered back further, You have affirmed my decision never own a van or minivan. *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
TE wrote: People that think a 22 year old diesel engine will just crank right up, not smoke, run smooth after sitting in 20 degree weather all night are smoking crack. What about a 19 year old diesel. I bet OK Don's 300D 2.5 starts right up in 20 degree weather, runs smooth and has all of its power after idling no more than 10-20 seconds. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/33b81dbb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air entrained concrete
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:50:36 -0600 Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: At what temperature should one have air entrained concrete? for what? once it is in place it is like any other crete, unless you have some hyper air form. Above freezing, one does not need air entrainment in flatwork concrete. I would presume that only slightly below freezing, one also does not need air entrainment. At what temperature does it become advisable? 20F? 10F? 0F? -50F? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off
sounds like you have a POS there, I will give you 500 for it, if you deliver it. Curt Raymond wrote: So because of the ice storm gas is kind of precious, its not that theres a shortage but most gas stations weren't having power. (Problem solved as of yesterday for the most part. Pretend I was writing this Saturday...) The Ranger seems to have a small, maybe 19 gallon gas tank and at 17mpg around town plows through gas pretty good. So we decided to use the 190D instead as it had a full tank of diesel and will do well over 30mpg even around town. Everything was fine until Angie and her Mom went to the store on Saturday (Sunday? I forget, its been a busy few days). They call because the car went bang and now the brakes are spongy. FIL and I head over to check it out. The brakes are basically missing, the right front suspension is all wet and the master cylinder is basically dry. I pick up a quart of brake fluid, fill the master cylinder and head toward home ~10 miles. Theres not much traffic because of the storm (the roads are dry but remember its hard to get gas) and with the manual trans I figure we'll be okay if I take it slow. Every couple minutes I get this horrible grinding/squeaking/squealing noise which lasts for 10-20 seconds and goes away. The sound seems related to ground speed, (ie if I slow down the noise slows down) but the frequency of the sound (ie how often it happens) does not. I figure I'm going to press on until we get home or a wheel falls off. The rear brakes seem to work but it takes nearly all the pedal to get the car stopped, between them, judicious use of the parking brake and downshifting we get home just fine. It was an great example of the team work my wife and I are capable of. I don't have enough hands to work the parking brake, shift, and steer all at the same time (because my feet are busy too) so she works the lever, what a great kid. So I call my Indy, its nasty out and I don't particularly want to be working on this in the driveway but he lives out in the country with trees all around and has no power. He's got a car up on the lift but his generators aren't strong enough to get it back down. My 240D is over there, he says it needs the Ujoint rebuilt in the trans which would explain the vibration I'd been feeling. However that car is broke less than the 190D so we go get it... Snow in the forecast for the rest of the week so the 190D is parked... I'm getting really tired of this... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/8170a29e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1851 - Release Date: 12/16/2008 8:53 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission
Mine in the SDL has performed flawlessly for over 5,000mi already. 2yr unlimited warranty cannot be beaten. This is a good deal. Luther Rusty Cullens wrote: I have a rebuilt one with torque converter for $1695.00. It comes with a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: s223x...@juno.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: s223x...@juno.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission Thanks in advance to everyone; Looking for good transmission for E320 station wagon; 2 wheel drive Need price, Condition, Location; have one that is shelled out in the sun gear?? (or what ever area it is called) ; about three high dollar items w. broken teeth prefer one that does not have the ( $218.00 )?? Electric Plug in Parts BROKEN Thanks, Steve from Ok. 74873 area -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dealership
My wife decided that she needed a brand new minivan for the two kids. Thus I told her that if we got a new car it was her responsibility. That is I did not want to be the one maintaining the car, she could take it to dealer or do what ever she wanted but it was hers. So now I am stuck at the dealership waiting a freaking hour for an oil change. To add insult to injury, I asked them to disable the alarm on the car. They told me that it was impossible to disable to the alarm on the car. Then they asked why in the world would I want to disable the alarm so I told them. Then they were like yeap those are good reasons but it is not possible to disable the alarm as if they did the car would not run. Did I mention how much I hate dealerships and service, why in the heck do you have to make an appointment to get an oil change and then still wait an hour? Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off
My current best theory is a hose that collapsed internally which then blew on the pressure side leaving pressure in the caliper. Its worse when turning to the right which I *think* supports my theory... I think it needs new bearings on that side too. I *think* my Indy regreased them when he did the other side (which had blown out) but I think I'll have him do it again just for grins... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:20:20 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1229440820.4563.1290351...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like what happened on my old Toyota truck when a rusty brake line finally gave way. Not so much a bang as a sudden loss of brakes. And because it had only one reservoir feeding both circuits, brake fluid was rapidly depleted. I thought MB had a split reservoir, my 300D does, for example. Not sure this explains the grinding. Could a caliper have torn loose somehow? Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/7352442e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off
I know right? If my back didn't hurt (over did it with the chainsaw yesterday while I was feeling better) I'd be out there right now pulling the wheel off. I suspect if could be back on the road with just a hose but if I were going to mess with it I'd want all 4 hoses at least. I'm sure Marshall would chide me for that but I'm of the opinion if a hose fails all the hoses of that type should be replaced. I HATE chasing failing hoses. Same way I hate chasing failing bulbs and failing glowplugs. Replace all the little bastards and then don't worry about them. -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:32:35 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4947ca13.4000...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed sounds like you have a POS there, I will give you 500 for it, if you deliver it. Curt Raymond wrote: So because of the ice storm gas is kind of precious, its not that theres a shortage but most gas stations weren't having power. (Problem solved as of yesterday for the most part. Pretend I was writing this Saturday...) The Ranger seems to have a small, maybe 19 gallon gas tank and at 17mpg around town plows through gas pretty good. So we decided to use the 190D instead as it had a full tank of diesel and will do well over 30mpg even around town. Everything was fine until Angie and her Mom went to the store on Saturday (Sunday? I forget, its been a busy few days). They call because the car went bang and now the brakes are spongy. FIL and I head over to check it out. The brakes are basically missing, the right front suspension is all wet and the master cylinder is basically dry. I pick up a quart of brake fluid, fill the master cylinder and head toward home ~10 miles. Theres not much traffic because of the storm (the roads are dry but remember its hard to get gas) and with the manual trans I figure we'll be okay if I take it slow. Every couple minutes I get this horrible grinding/squeaking/squealing noise which lasts for 10-20 seconds and goes away. The sound seems related to ground speed, (ie if I slow down the noise slows down) but the frequency of the sound (ie how often it happens) does not. I figure I'm going to press on until we get home or a wheel falls off. The rear brakes seem to work but it takes nearly all the pedal to get the car stopped, between them, judicious use of the parking brake and downshifting we get home just fine. It was an great example of the team work my wife and I are capable of. I don't have enough hands to work the parking brake, shift, and steer all at the same time (because my feet are busy too) so she works the lever, what a great kid. So I call my Indy, its nasty out and I don't particularly want to be working on this in the driveway but he lives out in the country with trees all around and has no power. He's got a car up on the lift but his generators aren't strong enough to get it back down. My 240D is over there, he says it needs the Ujoint rebuilt in the trans which would explain the vibration I'd been feeling. However that car is broke less than the 190D so we go get it... Snow in the forecast for the rest of the week so the 190D is parked... I'm getting really tired of this... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/72814604/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealership
Trampas Stern tst...@nc.rr.com said: Did I mention how much I hate dealerships and service, why in the heck do you have to make an appointment to get an oil change and then still wait an hour? Well you could go to the quick lube place, get an oil filter made of sawdust, and have them strip out the drain plug... Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun............not
Weak battery and cold weather and a Diesel engine = well you know what Maybe a can of WD40 in the boot will help. The glow plugs glowing in your bus? Hendrik who lives in a milder climate Jim Cathey wrote: Crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] lust (and it isn't a Benz
Yeah http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/1972-SAAB-95.jpg/800px-1972-SAAB-95.jpg You've got it backwards though, the Toyota looks like the Saab. It was the first column shift manual I ever drove. Never did find 1st gear but it took off well in second. Unlike Don I wouldn't call the old Saabs a tank, they're really small but quite zippy. Some crazy low HP number but the car doesn't weigh anything... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:44:47 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] lust (and it isn't a Benz) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: f7b6bd1a0812151744q3e1fe1d7m42add45ede2cd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd prefer a 95 but that car is gorgeous. I drove a green 95 last winter, very neat little car. If I had practiced welding before I drove it and if the guy had taken my $1000 offer I'd have nabbed it. He wanted $2k but it had significant perforations in the floor... The 95 is the funny little wagon with the fins high on the rear corners, right? Kind of looks like the offspring of a Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon and that Mercedes concept car of a few years back that was supposed to be inspired by a blowfish? Alex -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/625b2831/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] stupid drivers
When living in Rochester, NY I used to get a charge outa' the SUV type drivers and the 1st snowfall of the season as one would invariably see a number of this type vehicle dull side up in the medians of the expressways. Those who think because they have 4WD they can go faster than anyone else in the snow . . . good for a laugh for those of us who know how to drive. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/bbbf33ba/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] weather
Hey Randy, Winnipeg [the center of Canada] doesn't move while everything around it is either going up, going down, getting wetter, or getting drier. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Hey Andrew, I've lived in this country long enough to believe it is a trend. Every blasted winter is cold!!! This one is worse than the last one. Maybe I'm just getting old. Time to ingest more anti-freeze. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] weather You have to look at the trend, not just a single winter. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I think I am correct in saying that our average temperature has been lower this year. We had a cold summer and a cold fall and it is now much colder than normal. I suppose that somewhere it is warmer than normal but I sure wish that was here and the cooler than normal temperatures were somewhere that was too warm. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] weather On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:35:50 -0600 John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: Anybody still believe in man-made global warming? It is AVERAGE temperature... Just because the average global temperature goes up doesn't mean every single spot on the planet gets warmer. could go up 2* someplace and down 1* somewhere else. Still a net gain of 1* True, but when the polar ice caps on Mars melt and the cloud tops on Venus get warmer, it's certainly not due to anything mankind has done. Same for the observed warming on earth. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/9d18c269/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lt. Don MAY have changed my life!
I am going to hold and nurture that thought... On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: I neither attack nor try to evangelize those who want to eat meat. It is simply a personal choice I have made, much as one would chose Presbyterian or Catholic or a Synagogue or Atheism. Or Democrat or Republican or None Of The Above. We shall each have to answer to a higher power (or not) someday for our choices. What few realize is that the higher power is actually a moose, and She is not amused by Sarah Palin. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: Your subject line is scary. I thought you had taken up arms against those who eat meat. At 03:23 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote: Y'all may recall Lt. Don's suggestion to Kaleb to investigate Union Pacific jobs. Well, the apprentice diesel mechanic really sounded interesting to me. Would be a step down in pay, but I think it would be much more satisfying that what I do now (Marketing/Sales). Unfortunately, UP is not hiring for that position anywhere in my vicinity, BUT BNSF is. I applied, received a notice today that my application has been forwarded to the hiring manager and now I wait for him to contact me. Will let y'all know what happens. Chris '85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'82 VW Vanagon Diesel 229K mi/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 (parting out) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/2120176c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
drivers and the 1st snowfall of the season as one would invariably see a number of this type vehicle dull side up in the medians of the expressways. Particularly the short wheelbase jobbies. I've seen a lot of jeeps upside down in the medians... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air entrained concrete
for what? once it is in place it is like any other crete, unless you have some hyper air form. At 11:44 PM 12/15/2008, you wrote: Mitch was surprised to hear that we had air entrained concrete. At what temperature should one have air entrained concrete? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Frankenheap fun............not
The glow plugs glowing in your bus? Yes, but the crank-over speed was just too slow. That battery was a used $12 special bought from the U-Pull in June, 2004. It's too small, naturally, and of unknown vintage. Remember that I had just paid $100 for the car, with no certainty that it was going to work out. I wasn't about to double my expenses before I'd even seen if it would drive. The Group 49 from the pickled 190D should do well, if I can fit it back in. (I have to move the preheater box.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
Well the 190D fired right up after less than 10 seconds of glow this morning, ran smooth as silk right off the bat, had normal power. Luther wrote: Thanks, but how does that help me? :) Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's snowing ...
Here in AZ we're having an all day soaking rain. Kinda strange for here. People drive more stupid here in the rain than people back there do in the snow. I believe I have healed enough from gall bladder surgery Friday that I can change out my water pump today. Any hints/tricks/things to look out for? Bob R '77 300D 198K '87 Acura Legend 200K (for sale) '05 E320 64K -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:44 PM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] It's snowing ... A foot on the ground today and it's still snowing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun
Just give up and send her (car, not wife) down here to me in North Alabama where she can enjoy a nice warm retirement. Yesterday's high was 57. I woke up to zero degrees Fahrenheit, and now I get to go out and steal the battery out of the 190D. If I can. Got tire work to do, too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I make it back, Walmart hell (TRAILER TIRES)
No, unfortunately I have no idea. I sort of assumed (a dangerous thing I guess) that there was some sort of standard spacing. Easy enough to change the whole axle if need be. Just a matter of $$$. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I make it back, Walmart hell (TRAILER TIRES) R A Bennell wrote: There are flanges for the brake backing plates. I was almost right. 7 drums are for 2,000lb axles. You'll never get 10 inside a 12 wheel. Do you know what brand of axles you have? Sometimes it's fun to find brakes which match the bolt pattern on the axle flanges. A friend bought an old trailer, and brakes of the same brand as the axles didn't fit, because that manufacturer changed the bolt pattern since the trailer was built. We had to cut off the flanges and weld new ones on in order to put new brakes on the thing (the P.O. removed all the internal brake parts so we needed new brakes). Located the flanges by assembling the brakes, adjusted tight, and putting the hub on the axle to sort of center the brake flanges. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
You also get two tickets to the next Harkin Steak Fry. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/6add5fd9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I make it back, Walmart hell
yea, I will. I think some place called Dobbs might have been open, but by that time I had already dropped the wheel off at walmart. Tom Savage wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: only place that was open sunday morning was walmart. They were my last choice, trust me. No they weren't. Call next time... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/e6eba5df/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Should make for some nice deals in the used marketplace, unless they mandate that the trade-ins be crushed which I could easily see happening with this bunch. Allan Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] lust (and it isn't a Benz)
Ed wrote: Have a peek. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=188058 I like this one. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=218789 Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/70a1ca01/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] weather
Sometimes that is true. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] weather Hey Randy, Winnipeg [the center of Canada] doesn't move while everything around it is either going up, going down, getting wetter, or getting drier. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Hey Andrew, I've lived in this country long enough to believe it is a trend. Every blasted winter is cold!!! This one is worse than the last one. Maybe I'm just getting old. Time to ingest more anti-freeze. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] weather You have to look at the trend, not just a single winter. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I think I am correct in saying that our average temperature has been lower this year. We had a cold summer and a cold fall and it is now much colder than normal. I suppose that somewhere it is warmer than normal but I sure wish that was here and the cooler than normal temperatures were somewhere that was too warm. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] weather On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:35:50 -0600 John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: Anybody still believe in man-made global warming? It is AVERAGE temperature... Just because the average global temperature goes up doesn't mean every single spot on the planet gets warmer. could go up 2* someplace and down 1* somewhere else. Still a net gain of 1* True, but when the polar ice caps on Mars melt and the cloud tops on Venus get warmer, it's certainly not due to anything mankind has done. Same for the observed warming on earth. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/9d18c269/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay sightings
Alex wrote: On the other end of the spectrum, here's one you probably don't have in your collection: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250341059366 I love those cars. They might be the most beautiful cars made. Spectacular. Unfortunately, that car will sell for 6 figures, so very few people will own and appreciate it. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/de931138/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: FW: No sir officer, we've just been fishing]
http:myjunkmail.blogspot.com/2008/06/2000-hp-drug-running-boat-pics.html A search for 2000hp drug boat will get a photo - no video so far - It'd be interesting to read how fast this thing was - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com; mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: FW: No sir officer, we've just been fishing] Original Message Subject: FW: No sir officer, we've just been fishing Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:06:56 -0600 From: Ted Striplin tstrip...@cox.net To: Dale Marlar drmar...@sbcglobal.net, Don Gish polymericp...@worldnet.att.net, Doug Duncan ddun...@steeltekinc.com, John Crockett jmcrocket...@sbcglobal.net, Anita Williams gat...@aol.com, cstrip...@cox.net, Greg Williams gwilliamsb...@aol.com, Jennifer Wilson henp...@aol.com, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net, Linda Boydston magic4...@aol.com, Marilyn Lewis lewiso...@att.net, SamCleveyandSons samcleveyands...@earthlink.net, sooner0...@aol.com *...no sir officer, we've just been fishing...* * 2,000 HP Outboard Inflatable... * Here's the latest drug runner toy from Europe ...* ** This thing belts across the English channel 3 times per week and was just a blur on the radar of the British Coast Guard. They were so astonished by the speed of the unknown craft, they brought in a special high speed helicopter to chase it. Drugs were found on board. Of course, you'd have to be on drugs to put the throttle down on this rig.* -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081215/1354fea0/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 95768 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081215/1354fea0/attachment.jpe -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081215/1354fea0/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act Should make for some nice deals in the used marketplace, unless they mandate that the trade-ins be crushed which I could easily see happening with this bunch. Allan Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off
A.you are suffering from, as my wife calls them, The Old Car Blues I can remember back in the day fixing stuff with numb hands on snowy driveways. I don't miss it. Bob R. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:09 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off So because of the ice storm gas is kind of precious, its not that theres a shortage but most gas stations weren't having power. (Problem solved as of yesterday for the most part. Pretend I was writing this Saturday...) The Ranger seems to have a small, maybe 19 gallon gas tank and at 17mpg around town plows through gas pretty good. So we decided to use the 190D instead as it had a full tank of diesel and will do well over 30mpg even around town. Everything was fine until Angie and her Mom went to the store on Saturday (Sunday? I forget, its been a busy few days). They call because the car went bang and now the brakes are spongy. FIL and I head over to check it out. The brakes are basically missing, the right front suspension is all wet and the master cylinder is basically dry. I pick up a quart of brake fluid, fill the master cylinder and head toward home ~10 miles. Theres not much traffic because of the storm (the roads are dry but remember its hard to get gas) and with the manual trans I figure we'll be okay if I take it slow. Every couple minutes I get this horrible grinding/squeaking/squealing noise which lasts for 10-20 seconds and goes away. The sound seems related to ground speed, (ie if I slow down the noise slows down) but the frequency of the sound (ie how often it happens) does not. I figure I'm going to press on until we get home or a wheel falls off. The rear brakes seem to work but it takes nearly all the pedal to get the car stopped, between them, judicious use of the parking brake and downshifting we get home just fine. It was an great example of the team work my wife and I are capable of. I don't have enough hands to work the parking brake, shift, and steer all at the same time (because my feet are busy too) so she works the lever, what a great kid. So I call my Indy, its nasty out and I don't particularly want to be working on this in the driveway but he lives out in the country with trees all around and has no power. He's got a car up on the lift but his generators aren't strong enough to get it back down. My 240D is over there, he says it needs the Ujoint rebuilt in the trans which would explain the vibration I'd been feeling. However that car is broke less than the 190D so we go get it... Snow in the forecast for the rest of the week so the 190D is parked... I'm getting really tired of this... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/81 70a29e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] lubricants
As have I, particularly the blower fan on my 190D. I notice it needs it again, I guess 2 1/2 years and ~70,000 miles isn't bad... I need to decide if I just make this a regular thing or replace the stupid thing. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:49:27 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] lubricants To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1ljugbzrc@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MAK ma...@isb.comsats.net.pk writes: Is ATF as a lubricant for motor bushes ok I've used it to lube blower motors with good results. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/90a7cc1e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealership
Because, they are more important than you are. What they would really like you to do, is leave the car for a day or two so that they can do it at their leisure. Why do you think most of us either do it ourselves or use an independent service shop? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Trampas Stern Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Dealership My wife decided that she needed a brand new minivan for the two kids. Thus I told her that if we got a new car it was her responsibility. That is I did not want to be the one maintaining the car, she could take it to dealer or do what ever she wanted but it was hers. So now I am stuck at the dealership waiting a freaking hour for an oil change. To add insult to injury, I asked them to disable the alarm on the car. They told me that it was impossible to disable to the alarm on the car. Then they asked why in the world would I want to disable the alarm so I told them. Then they were like yeap those are good reasons but it is not possible to disable the alarm as if they did the car would not run. Did I mention how much I hate dealerships and service, why in the heck do you have to make an appointment to get an oil change and then still wait an hour? Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Well, not long ago, they were deemed to be able to afford a large, expensive house. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:29 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act Should make for some nice deals in the used marketplace, unless they mandate that the trade-ins be crushed which I could easily see happening with this bunch. Allan Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com said: I'm also fighting a couple low tires, one on the pickup, one on the 190D and one on the 240D. The 190D at least has Tire Warehouse's warrenty so it'll just go and get resealed... Green slime has never failed me for stopping slow leaks, but I've never tried to install it when it's really cold, not sure how well that would work. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun
The last winter I owned Hammie the '83 240D before I bought him back this year the battery was failing and we went through this sort of thing almost every day... I finally got a new battery (hated to do it as I already had Dory the 190D replacement car) and everything was fine... I'm also fighting a couple low tires, one on the pickup, one on the 190D and one on the 240D. The 190D at least has Tire Warehouse's warrenty so it'll just go and get resealed... The 240D's leak seems to have slowed, I think its just that the car hasn't been driven much. Hoping the same is true with the Ranger. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:36:23 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 3d6c2566-cb44-11dd-8397-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Crap. The tires on the Frankenheap (115 200D) were a little low this morning, but it was so cold in the garage that the air compressor wouldn't start. I took it to work anyway, meaning to run the car to Les Schwab at lunch both to take care of the tire pressure, and to get some heat into the engine so it'd start after work. But work was insane, and I never got out. Mistake. It wouldn't start after work, too cold and the battery too cold/weak/old/small. We had theater tickets, too. Real theater, Sweeny Todd, not the movies, and we couldn't be late. Jill came and got me instead, after shuttling the babysitter herself. After a bloody fun-fest we dropped back by work, and I found that the one tire was now too flat to drive. I changed it while I let the car battery charge off the jumper cables I keep in the trunk. The car wouldn't start then, either. So I charged it again a bit and hooked up the tow rope that I also keep in the trunk. Starting it wasn't easy, it needed third gear and it still wanted to slip, we towed it with the Chicken Wagon. (I glow the car while it gets up to speed, then drop the clutch.) It fired once and ran a few seconds, long enough for me to flash Jill to stop, then it died. We had to repeat the exercise. (She _hates_ this!) Once running solidly it was fine. It's _cold_ outside! 7 degrees F when we got home, but at least it's a lot less windy than yesterday. I have some work to do. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/be5ab134/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission
I have a rebuilt one with torque converter for $1695.00. It comes with a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: s223x...@juno.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: s223x...@juno.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission Thanks in advance to everyone; Looking for good transmission for E320 station wagon; 2 wheel drive Need price, Condition, Location; have one that is shelled out in the sun gear?? (or what ever area it is called) ; about three high dollar items w. broken teeth prefer one that does not have the ( $218.00 )?? Electric Plug in Parts BROKEN Thanks, Steve from Ok. 74873 area Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
My wife is one of those thats on the brakes all the time for no reason. So I started asking her why are you on the brakes? She'd say I was going to fast to which I'd reply then don't get on the throttle. Its taken a few months and a couple screaming fights but she's starting to learn to come off the throttle BEFORE she's going to fast and needs to use the brake. I drive mostly with the throttle using the brake only when needed... Strangely the brakes last longer in my car, imagine that... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:19:42 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] stupid drivers To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4947103e.1000...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Right now, the roads are pretty much a solid sheet of ice. Its such though that you can travel at a decent speed as long as you do not go too fast, and slow down way before you need to stop or turn. Anyway, all day I have been getting behind these people that will be going, say 20mph, when you can safely go say 35 on a flat stretch of road. Not only are these people going so slow as to cause unsafe conditions, they constantly apply their brakes, which really creates dangerous driving. Geez. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/955fe1ac/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Trust me, the answer is no. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4935c1d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
You certainly can if you are single and don't have a lot of other debt. Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com said: Trust me, the answer is no. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4935c1d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun
Jim, Just give up and send her (car, not wife) down here to me in North Alabama where she can enjoy a nice warm retirement. Yesterday's high was 57. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun Crap. The tires on the Frankenheap (115 200D) were a little low this morning, but it was so cold in the garage that the air compressor wouldn't start. I took it to work anyway, meaning to run the car to Les Schwab at lunch both to take care of the tire pressure, and to get some heat into the engine so it'd start after work. But work was insane, and I never got out. Mistake. It wouldn't start after work, too cold and the battery too cold/weak/old/small. We had theater tickets, too. Real theater, Sweeny Todd, not the movies, and we couldn't be late. Jill came and got me instead, after shuttling the babysitter herself. After a bloody fun-fest we dropped back by work, and I found that the one tire was now too flat to drive. I changed it while I let the car battery charge off the jumper cables I keep in the trunk. The car wouldn't start then, either. So I charged it again a bit and hooked up the tow rope that I also keep in the trunk. Starting it wasn't easy, it needed third gear and it still wanted to slip, we towed it with the Chicken Wagon. (I glow the car while it gets up to speed, then drop the clutch.) It fired once and ran a few seconds, long enough for me to flash Jill to stop, then it died. We had to repeat the exercise. (She _hates_ this!) Once running solidly it was fine. It's _cold_ outside! 7 degrees F when we got home, but at least it's a lot less windy than yesterday. I have some work to do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D is starrting to piss me off
So because of the ice storm gas is kind of precious, its not that theres a shortage but most gas stations weren't having power. (Problem solved as of yesterday for the most part. Pretend I was writing this Saturday...) The Ranger seems to have a small, maybe 19 gallon gas tank and at 17mpg around town plows through gas pretty good. So we decided to use the 190D instead as it had a full tank of diesel and will do well over 30mpg even around town. Everything was fine until Angie and her Mom went to the store on Saturday (Sunday? I forget, its been a busy few days). They call because the car went bang and now the brakes are spongy. FIL and I head over to check it out. The brakes are basically missing, the right front suspension is all wet and the master cylinder is basically dry. I pick up a quart of brake fluid, fill the master cylinder and head toward home ~10 miles. Theres not much traffic because of the storm (the roads are dry but remember its hard to get gas) and with the manual trans I figure we'll be okay if I take it slow. Every couple minutes I get this horrible grinding/squeaking/squealing noise which lasts for 10-20 seconds and goes away. The sound seems related to ground speed, (ie if I slow down the noise slows down) but the frequency of the sound (ie how often it happens) does not. I figure I'm going to press on until we get home or a wheel falls off. The rear brakes seem to work but it takes nearly all the pedal to get the car stopped, between them, judicious use of the parking brake and downshifting we get home just fine. It was an great example of the team work my wife and I are capable of. I don't have enough hands to work the parking brake, shift, and steer all at the same time (because my feet are busy too) so she works the lever, what a great kid. So I call my Indy, its nasty out and I don't particularly want to be working on this in the driveway but he lives out in the country with trees all around and has no power. He's got a car up on the lift but his generators aren't strong enough to get it back down. My 240D is over there, he says it needs the Ujoint rebuilt in the trans which would explain the vibration I'd been feeling. However that car is broke less than the 190D so we go get it... Snow in the forecast for the rest of the week so the 190D is parked... I'm getting really tired of this... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/8170a29e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
You know folks, this whole thing is getting crazier and crazier. I hear the pols talking about loans for the car companies or they will go bust, which are going to turn into direct subsidies soon to prop up the UAW and all the retirees. Maybe there is a reason why the car companies are going bust? I hear talk of mortgage assistance, or paying peoples' mortgages, or reducing mortgage payments by subsidies or various other govt interventions. I see talk of stimulus packages totaling some trillions of dollars, which seem to be primarily construction projects, which do not really elevate the overall abilities of people doing the work. i.e., increase their education or abilities to compete with the Chinese and Indians and East Europeans.. I hear remaking the energy sector, and killing coal and raising gas prices. I hear remaking the education sector. I hear remaking how people buy cars, with credits and such. I hear remaking the auto industry to build cars that up to now people have not really wanted to buy a lot of. I hear remaking of the health care industry. I hear attacking global warming with various programs, taxes, fees, laws, etc I feel like I have followed Alice down the rabbit hole. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Trust me, the answer is no. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4935c1d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/9b040e92/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's snowing ...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:53 -0700 Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: I believe I have healed enough from gall bladder surgery Friday that I can change out my water pump today. Any hints/tricks/things to look out for? I presume you're talking about the '77 300D. I also presume it's a W123. Drain the coolant system. Loosen fan belt(s). Remove cooling fan (a little fiddly, but OK if you take it slow) and fan shroud. Remove radiator hose from pump. Loosen clamps on bypass hose. Unbolt pump from block and work it out of the bypass hose. Re-assembly is the reverse. Now would be a good time to replace the bypass hose. It's only been 4 days since your surgery. Don't overdo it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
Well the 190D fired right up after less than 10 seconds of glow this
morning, ran smooth as silk right off the bat, had normal power.
Luther wrote:
Thanks, but how does that help me? :)
Luther
My past 2 diesel projects ('85 300SD, 91 300D) started fine down to 9
degrees F without using the block heaters. This with good glow plugs on all
and a valve adjustment on the SD; both were on dino oil.
Tony Wirtel
No diesels this year
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Re: [MBZ] Lt. Don MAY have changed my life!
Apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venison I shot a moose in '99 http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/moose/moose.html t'was real good eating, just like expensive beef. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:44:34 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lt. Don MAY have changed my life! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980812151844uaa68288sb4a405b5d0dd3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is moose also considered venison? I've never had the pleasure of trying moose. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: Yes, and I know whatever you say, there is never ever a tongue in your cheek! Happy Venison Day! MMM -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/b7f1d468/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] lust (and it isn't a Benz)
Bring! http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=221520 I might not sell my soul for this car but I'd probably come close... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:28:09 -0600 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] lust (and it isn't a Benz) To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a0121bfa28702c4fa69fc5d9ceb56d08129f0f0...@mtsqhexc2.mtsqh.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ed wrote: Have a peek. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=188058 I like this one. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=218789 Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/a74036a4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: eia_lists...@eia.doe.gov [mailto:eia_lists...@eia.doe.gov] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:10 PM To: weekdfpr...@tonto.eia.doe.gov Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 081215 2.422 2.534 2.740 2.642 2.469 2.406 2.378 2.350 2.303 2.292 081208 2.515 2.632 2.849 2.742 2.564 2.491 2.465 2.447 2.421 2.402 081201 2.615 2.735 2.954 2.875 2.655 2.578 2.556 2.577 2.553 2.538 081124 2.664 2.788 2.997 2.925 2.710 2.624 2.598 2.644 2.608 2.605 081117 2.809 2.924 3.148 3.072 2.840 2.764 2.745 2.822 2.768 2.754 081110 2.944 3.060 3.266 3.203 2.980 2.888 2.895 2.964 2.910 2.913 081103 3.088 3.219 3.420 3.369 3.137 3.018 3.033 3.157 3.052 3.057 081027 3.288 3.397 3.573 3.509 3.333 3.244 3.219 3.375 3.233 3.286 081020 3.482 3.553 3.729 3.633 3.503 3.447 3.453 3.555 3.433 3.460 081013 3.659 3.709 3.892 3.794 3.655 3.641 3.631 3.697 3.622 3.656 081006 3.875 3.928 4.036 3.978 3.896 3.858 3.843 3.886 3.847 3.869 080929 3.959 4.020 4.077 4.073 3.992 3.936 3.929 3.944 3.941 3.963 080922 3.958 4.021 4.110 4.081 3.987 3.931 3.924 3.964 3.943 3.951 080915 4.023 4.082 4.246 4.166 4.031 3.973 4.011 4.041 4.056 4.053 080908 4.059 4.100 4.312 4.246 4.018 4.015 4.015 4.105 4.156 4.185 080901 4.121 4.169 4.359 4.307 4.093 4.066 4.068 4.184 4.248 4.282 080825 4.145 4.199 4.382 4.360 4.113 4.073 4.098 4.227 4.286 4.359 080818 4.207 4.263 4.422 4.414 4.184 4.130 4.156 4.319 4.356 4.422 080811 4.353 4.420 4.584 4.563 4.344 4.267 4.299 4.473 4.511 4.607 080804 4.502 4.563 4.735 4.672 4.501 4.419 4.450 4.605 4.664 4.781 080728 4.603 4.664 4.806 4.772 4.604 4.518 4.570 4.657 4.766 4.869 080721 4.718 4.773 4.869 4.869 4.723 4.649 4.701 4.714 4.845 4.964 080714 4.764 4.822 4.889 4.912 4.777 4.698 4.737 4.718 4.909 5.026 080707 4.727 4.789 4.863 4.887 4.741 4.654 4.697 4.672 4.886 5.001 080630 4.645 4.704 4.822 4.822 4.643 4.571 4.604 4.638 4.817 4.928 080623 4.648 4.711 4.833 4.831 4.648 4.574 4.602 4.652 4.816 4.922 080616 4.692 4.752 4.853 4.874 4.690 4.618 4.656 4.685 4.852 4.969 080609 4.692 4.743 4.834 4.879 4.677 4.615 4.658 4.698 4.874 4.992 080602 4.707 4.759 4.846 4.907 4.687 4.643 4.664 4.680 4.878 5.027 080526 4.723 4.779 4.843 4.913 4.717 4.667 4.673 4.653 4.883 5.027 080519 4.497 4.544 4.610 4.682 4.480 4.463 4.443 4.442 4.610 4.737 080512 4.331 4.377 4.463 4.516 4.310 4.298 4.268 4.276 4.454 4.547 080505 4.149 4.194 4.337 4.345 4.117 4.101 4.084 4.156 4.303 4.382 080428 4.177 4.230 4.346 4.376 4.157 4.133 4.113 4.141 4.312 4.390 080421 4.143 4.207 4.346 4.370 4.126 4.098 4.077 4.111 4.255 4.317 080414 4.059 4.117 4.239 4.266 4.043 4.013 4.000 4.039 4.176 4.234 080407 3.955 4.005 4.121 4.142 3.936 3.917 3.894 3.974 4.052 4.118 080331 3.964 4.014 4.130 4.160 3.941 3.929 3.907 3.972 4.049 4.112 080324 3.989 4.045 4.142 4.186 3.975 3.964 3.928 3.953 4.056 4.119 080317 3.974 4.035 4.119 4.177 3.967 3.958 3.914 3.892 4.018 4.083 080310 3.819 3.870 3.938 3.989 3.814 3.784 3.798 3.732 3.885 3.955 080303 3.658 3.700 3.813 3.825 3.636
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. At 11:59 AM 12/16/2008, you wrote: You certainly can if you are single and don't have a lot of other debt. Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com said: Trust me, the answer is no. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4935c1d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Yes, all of these tradins are smashed, not used for parts. At 11:17 AM 12/16/2008, you wrote: Should make for some nice deals in the used marketplace, unless they mandate that the trade-ins be crushed which I could easily see happening with this bunch. Allan Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
We don't want and educated, productive populace, as such would READ the constitution, understand its meaning, and overthow the ruling class. We WANT a bunch of dumb lemmings who will follow a vacant talking head because he talks well and (what a concept), he is an articulate black man. At 12:29 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote: You know folks, this whole thing is getting crazier and crazier. I hear the pols talking about loans for the car companies or they will go bust, which are going to turn into direct subsidies soon to prop up the UAW and all the retirees. Maybe there is a reason why the car companies are going bust? I hear talk of mortgage assistance, or paying peoples' mortgages, or reducing mortgage payments by subsidies or various other govt interventions. I see talk of stimulus packages totaling some trillions of dollars, which seem to be primarily construction projects, which do not really elevate the overall abilities of people doing the work. i.e., increase their education or abilities to compete with the Chinese and Indians and East Europeans.. I hear remaking the energy sector, and killing coal and raising gas prices. I hear remaking the education sector. I hear remaking how people buy cars, with credits and such. I hear remaking the auto industry to build cars that up to now people have not really wanted to buy a lot of. I hear remaking of the health care industry. I hear attacking global warming with various programs, taxes, fees, laws, etc I feel like I have followed Alice down the rabbit hole. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Trust me, the answer is no. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4935c1d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/9b040e92/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D madness
God helps them that helps themselves right? By lunch my back was telling me it wasn't okay to sit around all day doing nothing so I pulled the 190D into the driveway. Put the jack under and knew immediately what was wrong, the tire was leaning in about 15 degrees at the top... Jacked it up and the wheel just flopped around. Pulled the bearing cap and yep, outer bearing is toast. I managed to find most of the cage and 2 1/2 rollers... I had to cut the inner part (name for this? The thing that goes on the axle) off the axle, actually I just grooved it with the dremel and whacked it with a chisel (okay a screwdriver) and it came off. I *think* the outer part is stuck in the hub but didn't want to cut it out until I had the replacement bearing in my hand. Local Carquest has the bearings and can *probably* get the seal today, I'll call them back in a couple hours. Brake master cylinder is still full so I think the brake fluid loss was a red herring. I think when the wheel got loose it either: A. Pushed the pistons in the caliper back and shot brake fluid out of the master cylinder through the cap. This theory is backed up by the cap having a tear in it. Will order a new cap from Rusty. or B. My wife using the brakes allowed the pistons to move in which made it look like the brake fluid had gone low... The 190D has what I think is a floating caliper quite unlike the system on the 240D. I'm not sure I can tell the difference when driving. Never the less my relationship with my Indy has now changed. A week ago the car was in there for bearing noise and a slight wander on the highway I thought was related to the wheel bearings in this wheel. He drove it and said the noise was tires and it was fine. Fortunately didn't charge me for the diagnosis. From now on it'll be Bob, change X. I'm not going to ask him to diagnose. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/3559fb99/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis
Now that I'm diagnosing my own problems (see previous message) I need to know how to tell if the lower ball joint is bad, ideally with information I've already got (I'm basically lazy). When I changed the UCAs the driver's side hub/rotor assembly stayed put when the upper ball joint was removed. I could move it around as needed but when I put it into position it didn't move. Contrast to the passenger side where once the upper ball joint was disconnected the whole assembly flopped around like a fish, I ended up zip tieing the thing the ball joint mounts to to the shock until I had the UCA in place... On the highway the car has a slight wander back and forth, not much but enough to be annoying. Its gotten worse since I've been driving. Says lower ball joint to me, maybe a tie rod end too? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/a3fcb267/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
OK, let me get this straight. If I'm poor, not too hard to prove - I'm a small business owner and the economy sucks right now. And I have a car to trade in - I do, a 1987 Mercedes 300 SDL And I have to trade for a car that gets at least 30 MPG And it has to be American made. Then our leaders will give me a $10,000 check towards the car? Great, I can trade my 300 SDL in on a new Corvette Z06! http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/ I just need to come up with the rest of the $74.775. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis
To test lower ball joint you lift up the front end and put it on jack stands. Then with a pry bar, pipe, board, etc placed between the ground and botton of the tire apply upward force and look for movement. Tie rods and steering linakage are checked by pulling and pushing at 3 and 9 o'clock. Upper ball joints at 12 and 6 o'clock. Regards, Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:08:40 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis Now that I'm diagnosing my own problems (see previous message) I need to know how to tell if the lower ball joint is bad, ideally with information I've already got (I'm basically lazy). When I changed the UCAs the driver's side hub/rotor assembly stayed put when the upper ball joint was removed. I could move it around as needed but when I put it into position it didn't move. Contrast to the passenger side where once the upper ball joint was disconnected the whole assembly flopped around like a fish, I ended up zip tieing the thing the ball joint mounts to to the shock until I had the UCA in place... On the highway the car has a slight wander back and forth, not much but enough to be annoying. Its gotten worse since I've been driving. Says lower ball joint to me, maybe a tie rod end too? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/a3fcb267/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis
Could be anything in the front-end but not likely the lower ball joints. Jack the car up and support the lower control arms on jack stands - The best place to put the stands is as far out on the control arms as they will safely sit. This will take the load off all the suspension parts except for the lower control arm bushings. Now start moving things around, looking for any free play. The worn out part (or parts) should be obvious. My bet is on the idler arm bushing.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:09 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis Now that I'm diagnosing my own problems (see previous message) I need to know how to tell if the lower ball joint is bad, ideally with information I've already got (I'm basically lazy). When I changed the UCAs the driver's side hub/rotor assembly stayed put when the upper ball joint was removed. I could move it around as needed but when I put it into position it didn't move. Contrast to the passenger side where once the upper ball joint was disconnected the whole assembly flopped around like a fish, I ended up zip tieing the thing the ball joint mounts to to the shock until I had the UCA in place... On the highway the car has a slight wander back and forth, not much but enough to be annoying. Its gotten worse since I've been driving. Says lower ball joint to me, maybe a tie rod end too? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/a3 fcb267/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D madness
WooHoo Curt is brimming with self-confidence! Way to go! At 01:05 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote: God helps them that helps themselves right? By lunch my back was telling me it wasn't okay to sit around all day doing nothing so I pulled the 190D into the driveway. Put the jack under and knew immediately what was wrong, the tire was leaning in about 15 degrees at the top... Jacked it up and the wheel just flopped around. Pulled the bearing cap and yep, outer bearing is toast. I managed to find most of the cage and 2 1/2 rollers... I had to cut the inner part (name for this? The thing that goes on the axle) off the axle, actually I just grooved it with the dremel and whacked it with a chisel (okay a screwdriver) and it came off. I *think* the outer part is stuck in the hub but didn't want to cut it out until I had the replacement bearing in my hand. Local Carquest has the bearings and can *probably* get the seal today, I'll call them back in a couple hours. Brake master cylinder is still full so I think the brake fluid loss was a red herring. I think when the wheel got loose it either: A. Pushed the pistons in the caliper back and shot brake fluid out of the master cylinder through the cap. This theory is backed up by the cap having a tear in it. Will order a new cap from Rusty. or B. My wife using the brakes allowed the pistons to move in which made it look like the brake fluid had gone low... The 190D has what I think is a floating caliper quite unlike the system on the 240D. I'm not sure I can tell the difference when driving. Never the less my relationship with my Indy has now changed. A week ago the car was in there for bearing noise and a slight wander on the highway I thought was related to the wheel bearings in this wheel. He drove it and said the noise was tires and it was fine. Fortunately didn't charge me for the diagnosis. From now on it'll be Bob, change X. I'm not going to ask him to diagnose. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/3559fb99/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
What a country! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: Great, I can trade my 300 SDL in on a new Corvette Z06! http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/ I just need to come up with the rest of the $74.775. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/79a66d27/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun
Yep, it is cold over this side of the world too. Pulled Gump into the drive so I could use the block heater. Some jerk decides it is cool to unplug her in the middle of the night. I may need to booby trap the cord clay On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Just give up and send her (car, not wife) down here to me in North Alabama where she can enjoy a nice warm retirement. Yesterday's high was 57. I woke up to zero degrees Fahrenheit, and now I get to go out and steal the battery out of the 190D. If I can. Got tire work to do, too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D madness
World-famous final words: Ya'll watch this! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: WooHoo Curt is brimming with self-confidence! Way to go! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/1b5f6565/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
If they turn around and sell it on Craigs List they can. -Dave Walton On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act Should make for some nice deals in the used marketplace, unless they mandate that the trade-ins be crushed which I could easily see happening with this bunch. Allan Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: The illustrious Tom (Turkey) Harkin and his compatriot, Dick (Turban) Durbin have launched this. (Yes this is for real) you would get $10,000 for buying a new car, IF you make less than $40k per year (show your 1040) IF you trade in a car over 10 years old IF your new car gets 30 mpg or better IF you buy an American car (not sure how they will define that) Some other gotchas I am sure. Nothing about it on the illustrious senator's website. http://harkin.senate.gov/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Sure, I was just out of college when I bought the Dakota, granted it was 3 years old but I paid about $16k and could have bought a brand new base model for the same money... I was making $35k/yr, wife was in massage school and working at the pharmacy. I dunno exactly what she brought home, maybe $12k. I had a student loan at, I forget, say $150/mo, rent was $450/mo. I had loads of play money until I bought the pickup and the $~300/mo loan... Wish I'd waited another 6 months and put that $300/mo into the bank and used it for a nicer downpayment (I put down $1500) or bought a cheaper truck, or better yet a car. 9 years later I make way more than I did when I bought the Dakota (not twice but on my way), the Ranger only cost $10k, my student loan is paid off but now I've got a mortgage at $1400 a month... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:28:44 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro rrent...@cox.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 000c01c95fa3$bf35eca0$6501a...@familycomp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Bob R Makes more than $40K and hates car payments -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/b109ab9e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
small detail. It has to pass both house and senate and be signed. At 01:14 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote: OK, let me get this straight. If I'm poor, not too hard to prove - I'm a small business owner and the economy sucks right now. And I have a car to trade in - I do, a 1987 Mercedes 300 SDL And I have to trade for a car that gets at least 30 MPG And it has to be American made. Then our leaders will give me a $10,000 check towards the car? Great, I can trade my 300 SDL in on a new Corvette Z06! http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/ I just need to come up with the rest of the $74.775. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Just when you've got the day figured out
Got my 190D under control, parts are sourced, go to get them and... When we brought the 240D back from the shop yesterday my wife drove it, it surprised me that she jumped right out of the truck and into the car but whatever, thats nice of her. When we got home she jumped into the truck and we went and had lunch. Somewhere along the line she put the key in her pocket. MY key in her pocket. Today she took the Ranger to work, with MY key to the 240D in her pocket... There is another key around somewhere that I'd put a wooden head on and painted but I'll be dammed if I can find the thing. Fortunately Carquest isn't far away. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/c053e43d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission
Rusty Cullens wrote: I have a rebuilt one with torque converter for $1695.00. It comes with a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. How much are the 722.6 transmissions? '05 CDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
They WILL qualify for a loan, Fannie or Freddie will extend their coverage to car loans for people who have insufficient incomes. Why stop with houses? Bwawney Fwank has said he is all for welfare, it is a good thing, he's da man with the plan there. You watch. They also will not be able to afford insurance, property tax, title, and plates on a newer vehicle that is worth more that their older shitbox, so we will need an insurance, tax, title, and plate assistance program for purchasers of UAW-built cars, so that the buyers, who can't afford either the car or the insurance without our assistance, can get a new ride. Or those assisted in the car purchase will just drive around without insurance, so when they crash into us we get to pay the price (see Texas for a great example of this behavior). The cars will be smaller, and anecdotal observations suggest people of the lower socioeconomic brackets do not appear to appreciate seatbelts for themselves or passengers, so when they crash the occupants will suffer worse injuries (those pesky physics again), so we will need to cover their health care or funeral expenses. And they are going to need gas for the car, when the taxes are raised to discourage consumption they will be disproportionately affected so we will need to provide tax credits (or most likely, direct payments) to keep the car on the road. And repairs, oil changes, tires, inspections, etc. Gotta help with that. Where does it stop? Answer -- it won't. You watch. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/e53ff257/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
Wonko the Sane wrote: The 300E fired right up this morning in 10F temps. Started yesterday at -2F. But that is why it is my winter car! So the 300E isn't Debbie's? Still going to replace the Buick? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
Debbie will probably steal but 300E during the warmer months, when I am driving the 240D. Last time she drove the 300E any distance, it was on snow/ice with the old Michelin tires on it. She mentioned that she preferred her front wheel drive Buick (Regatta 2 tires) to the 300E in winter conditions. Just went home for lunch (we have a couple inches of snow and it is still coming down hard) and I commented to her that with the new Assurance Triple Tred tires on the car, I didn't even notice that the road was slick -- car acted like I was on dry pavement. [Wrong thing to say -- I might be driving the Buick sooner than I had anticipated.] On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: The 300E fired right up this morning in 10F temps. Started yesterday at -2F. But that is why it is my winter car! So the 300E isn't Debbie's? Still going to replace the Buick? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/113302ed/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
I see a world of 5 year old poorly maintained American cars that have been driven into the ground in our future. But wait. we are already there - isn't this the way the average American car owner treats his car anyway? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act They WILL qualify for a loan, Fannie or Freddie will extend their coverage to car loans for people who have insufficient incomes. Why stop with houses? Bwawney Fwank has said he is all for welfare, it is a good thing, he's da man with the plan there. You watch. They also will not be able to afford insurance, property tax, title, and plates on a newer vehicle that is worth more that their older shitbox, so we will need an insurance, tax, title, and plate assistance program for purchasers of UAW-built cars, so that the buyers, who can't afford either the car or the insurance without our assistance, can get a new ride. Or those assisted in the car purchase will just drive around without insurance, so when they crash into us we get to pay the price (see Texas for a great example of this behavior). The cars will be smaller, and anecdotal observations suggest people of the lower socioeconomic brackets do not appear to appreciate seatbelts for themselves or passengers, so when they crash the occupants will suffer worse injuries (those pesky physics again), so we will need to cover their health care or funeral expenses. And they are going to need gas for the car, when the taxes are raised to discourage consumption they will be disproportionately affected so we will need to provide tax credits (or most likely, direct payments) to keep the car on the road. And repairs, oil changes, tires, inspections, etc. Gotta help with that. Where does it stop? Answer -- it won't. You watch. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98 cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/e5 3ff257/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Curt wrote: I had a student loan at, I forget, say $150/mo I wish mine was that low. I pay $710 a month for my student loans. I did consolidate them all when the rate was 1.8%, so there is not much incentive to pay them off early, but if I had an extra $700/month, I could drive whatever the heck I wanted. I did call USAA (which is my mortgage/home equity lender and my insurance company and my credit card company) just to see what they were offering on new cars (just checking for my wife) and they said I was pre-approved for a car loan of up to $50,000. I just about choked! I would NEVER buy a car for that much money. I know some people do, but that would just boggle my mind to go into debt for that much money. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/25b0261c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts
We never learn. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts Debbie will probably steal but 300E during the warmer months, when I am driving the 240D. Last time she drove the 300E any distance, it was on snow/ice with the old Michelin tires on it. She mentioned that she preferred her front wheel drive Buick (Regatta 2 tires) to the 300E in winter conditions. Just went home for lunch (we have a couple inches of snow and it is still coming down hard) and I commented to her that with the new Assurance Triple Tred tires on the car, I didn't even notice that the road was slick -- car acted like I was on dry pavement. [Wrong thing to say -- I might be driving the Buick sooner than I had anticipated.] On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: The 300E fired right up this morning in 10F temps. Started yesterday at -2F. But that is why it is my winter car! So the 300E isn't Debbie's? Still going to replace the Buick? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/11 3302ed/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Loren wrote: small detail. It has to pass both house and senate and be signed. There are even a few steps before that. It has to make it out of committee, then it has to go through committee mark-up where it gets assigned a numerical priority and then it could make it to the Senate and not even get an up or down vote. It could just die on the table. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4485b4f4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
All this welfare monkey business needs to be done away with. It serves to enslave the masses and destroys the capitalist drive for efficient industry. It also allows things that should go extinct to continue sucking the rest of us down. Any welfare, corporate or social needs to stop so that the system can balance again. It will hurt, A WHOLE BUNCH, but in the end will be better for all. No need for millions of new cars on the road. No need for all the new homes nobody can afford. No need for all the silly consumer goods. All the time saving gadgets, go fast cars and other worthless junk costs us all. Do we really need it? I think if we cut way back and do as our parents (for those born before we had nukes) did while growing up, the nation would be stronger in spirit, mind and body. At least we would be able to truly value that which came our way instead of getting involved in the greed cycle of stock, speculation, and the newest ponzi scheme. clay On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: They WILL qualify for a loan, Fannie or Freddie will extend their coverage to car loans for people who have insufficient incomes. Why stop with houses? Bwawney Fwank has said he is all for welfare, it is a good thing, he's da man with the plan there. You watch. They also will not be able to afford insurance, property tax, title, and plates on a newer vehicle that is worth more that their older shitbox, so we will need an insurance, tax, title, and plate assistance program for purchasers of UAW-built cars, so that the buyers, who can't afford either the car or the insurance without our assistance, can get a new ride. Or those assisted in the car purchase will just drive around without insurance, so when they crash into us we get to pay the price (see Texas for a great example of this behavior). The cars will be smaller, and anecdotal observations suggest people of the lower socioeconomic brackets do not appear to appreciate seatbelts for themselves or passengers, so when they crash the occupants will suffer worse injuries (those pesky physics again), so we will need to cover their health care or funeral expenses. And they are going to need gas for the car, when the taxes are raised to discourage consumption they will be disproportionately affected so we will need to provide tax credits (or most likely, direct payments) to keep the car on the road. And repairs, oil changes, tires, inspections, etc. Gotta help with that. Where does it stop? Answer -- it won't. You watch. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/e53ff257/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
USAA will also help you find the car and get you the best deal. I used them once, before I came to my senses and decided cash and pre owned was smarter clay On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Curt wrote: I had a student loan at, I forget, say $150/mo I wish mine was that low. I pay $710 a month for my student loans. I did consolidate them all when the rate was 1.8%, so there is not much incentive to pay them off early, but if I had an extra $700/ month, I could drive whatever the heck I wanted. I did call USAA (which is my mortgage/home equity lender and my insurance company and my credit card company) just to see what they were offering on new cars (just checking for my wife) and they said I was pre-approved for a car loan of up to $50,000. I just about choked! I would NEVER buy a car for that much money. I know some people do, but that would just boggle my mind to go into debt for that much money. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/25b0261c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Curt Raymond wrote: I had loads of play money until I bought the pickup and the $~300/mo loan... Wish I'd waited another 6 months and put that $300/mo into the bank and used it for a nicer downpayment (I put down $1500) or bought a cheaper truck, or better yet a car. Same here... I had an entire paycheck (bi-monthly) after mortgage, bills, savings + retirement (yay for 35 years of interest and a Roth IRA). The car payment is $515, and I pay $600 to get rid of the loan quicker. With Insurance it is more along the lines of $725. That took a pretty big dent out of my spending!! Buying the CDI has been the worst financial decision I've ever made. I cringe every time I click the Submit payment button, but whenever I drive around in the car it doesn't bother me as much. Just means I need to drive it into the ground... After my trip to Phoenix this xmas I'll be at $1.75 a mile. Got a long way to go... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis
Other than years of practice how do I tell this motion apart from the normal up/down movement of the assembly? Its supposed to move up and down right? Or am I not strong enough to make that movement? Thanks -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:16:04 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D lower ball joint diagnosis To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1767515656-1229454915-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-6698547...@bxe253.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain To test lower ball joint you lift up the front end and put it on jack stands. Then with a pry bar, pipe, board, etc placed between the ground and botton of the tire apply upward force and look for movement. Tie rods and steering linakage are checked by pulling and pushing at 3 and 9 o'clock. Upper ball joints at 12 and 6 o'clock. Regards, Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4a2ed279/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D madness
Hey I've repacked bearings once before. You all told me if I used the redneck method of tightening and screwed it up the bearings wouldn't last 1000 miles. Its been over a thousand miles and theres no sign of trouble so I guess I did 'em okay... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:13:21 -0600 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D madness To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: mailman.1589.1229455185.11349.mercedes_okiebenz@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed WooHoo Curt is brimming with self-confidence! Way to go! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/b57642d9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Robert Rentfro wrote: Can people who make less then $40K afford a new car? Not out where you live... $40k goes a lot farther in smaller towns, etc. For example, my house payment is $580 a month for a 1300sqft, 3 bed, 1 bath house. Granted it is a fixer upper, but there are a lot of nice houses in the $120k range. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
-- Original message -- From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net All this welfare monkey business needs to be done away with. It serves to enslave the masses and destroys the capitalist drive for efficient industry. It also allows things that should go extinct to continue sucking the rest of us down. Any welfare, corporate or social needs to stop so that the system can balance again. It will hurt, A WHOLE BUNCH, but in the end will be better for all. No need for millions of new cars on the road. No need for all the new homes nobody can afford. No need for all the silly consumer goods. All the time saving gadgets, go fast cars and other worthless junk costs us all. Do we really need it? I think if we cut way back and do as our parents (for those born before we had nukes) did while growing up, the nation would be stronger in spirit, mind and body. At least we would be able to truly value that which came our way instead of getting involved in the greed cycle of stock, speculation, and the newest ponzi scheme. clay Good Clear thinking there Clay. Let's go back to the 50's 1) Get rid of the strides we've made in cancer treatment. Hay, it was good enough for my Mom, everyone should have it. 2) Than there's the wasted funds on heart surgery. Pulled my apples out of the fire twice, if you don't need it call it a wasted of money. 3) Modern cars start and go at 0°, in the 60's we hoped one guy in the neighborhood could start so he jumped us all. Remember that? Great Fellowship. 4) I guess we could return to the cold war too, that kept us busy... 5) Anybody here really remember what a joke 60's era Television was? Trash and the best of them cost 2 weeks pay! Clay, if you're going back I'm guessing there will be plenty of room on the bus. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealership
The extra time would also enable them to find all sorts of problems with the car that you never even knew existed! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:36 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Because, they are more important than you are. What they would really like you to do, is leave the car for a day or two so that they can do it at their leisure. Why do you think most of us either do it ourselves or use an independent service shop? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Trampas Stern Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Dealership My wife decided that she needed a brand new minivan for the two kids. Thus I told her that if we got a new car it was her responsibility. That is I did not want to be the one maintaining the car, she could take it to dealer or do what ever she wanted but it was hers. So now I am stuck at the dealership waiting a freaking hour for an oil change. To add insult to injury, I asked them to disable the alarm on the car. They told me that it was impossible to disable to the alarm on the car. Then they asked why in the world would I want to disable the alarm so I told them. Then they were like yeap those are good reasons but it is not possible to disable the alarm as if they did the car would not run. Did I mention how much I hate dealerships and service, why in the heck do you have to make an appointment to get an oil change and then still wait an hour? Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/4c66e58f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
BTDT It was called the Peoples Democratic Socialist Union of Islands In 1989, I made enough money working to barely pay the rent. Job 2 went to buy food and job 3 went to pay other incidentals: stuff the kids needed for school. The newspaper did a report about all the benies available to the folks that inhabited the parks and beaches, (formerly known as homeless) They get free housing, (I was paying $1200/month plus utilities for a 2 br), utilities paid, telephones, free healthcare, and of course, they could not be expected to ride DaBus, like I did, so they were provided with cars. Then they had to be provided insurance, because they were having accidents and were not insured). Of course, the next problem was that they were ENTITLED to get gasoline cards, because they could not afford the gas to run the car. and on and onI think they were debating giving all the freeloaders cell phones in 1989 so it was easier to make drug deals. Those were the cell phones that looked like VeetNam era walkie talkies. (not cheap) The total benies were way more than I was making working my butt off. And I was making about twice what most people were. Now you know part of the reason why I left paradise. Unfortunately paradise has moved to the mainland now, and we are all being subjected to the Central Planning of the politburo. I heard today that each person in the USA now owes over $450,000 plus any personal mortgages and debt. There has to be a major readjustmant soon, as the gummit is beyond out of control. At 01:37 PM 12/16/2008, you wrote: They WILL qualify for a loan, Fannie or Freddie will extend their coverage to car loans for people who have insufficient incomes. Why stop with houses? Bwawney Fwank has said he is all for welfare, it is a good thing, he's da man with the plan there. You watch. They also will not be able to afford insurance, property tax, title, and plates on a newer vehicle that is worth more that their older shitbox, so we will need an insurance, tax, title, and plate assistance program for purchasers of UAW-built cars, so that the buyers, who can't afford either the car or the insurance without our assistance, can get a new ride. Or those assisted in the car purchase will just drive around without insurance, so when they crash into us we get to pay the price (see Texas for a great example of this behavior). The cars will be smaller, and anecdotal observations suggest people of the lower socioeconomic brackets do not appear to appreciate seatbelts for themselves or passengers, so when they crash the occupants will suffer worse injuries (those pesky physics again), so we will need to cover their health care or funeral expenses. And they are going to need gas for the car, when the taxes are raised to discourage consumption they will be disproportionately affected so we will need to provide tax credits (or most likely, direct payments) to keep the car on the road. And repairs, oil changes, tires, inspections, etc. Gotta help with that. Where does it stop? Answer -- it won't. You watch. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part
Re: [MBZ] One hour
Did I mention how much I hate dealerships and service, why in the heck do you have to make an appointment to get an oil change and then still wait an hour?... So, you are still pissed off that she refused to drive around in a 25 year old MB diesel that was broken down half the time? That's what it REALLY is, isn't it? RLE ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/928dc5ee/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
I went to a state college, I was an RA which got my room and board paid for. When I first started and hit President's list I got a nice little grant. My loans were in the 1.somthing% range and as I started paying ahead the bottom was falling out (around 2001) so the rate came all the way down to (IIRC) 1% or something crazy. Then when I was 5 years ahead the government forgave a year for my being such a good payer... My wife's student loan on the other hand... Its something like $250/mo at 3% or so (which is still super low) and we had to pay a fee (which got rolled into the loan) because she deferred her first loan when she went to massage school. Still that should be paid off in '09 which makes it a year early, maybe a year and a half. I saw an ad for the Escallade where it was only $57k... I can't imagine buying one or paying for the gas, even if I did have 7 hot chicks to put in it. -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:46:11 -0600 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a0121bfa28702c4fa69fc5d9ceb56d08129f0f0...@mtsqhexc2.mtsqh.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt wrote: I had a student loan at, I forget, say $150/mo I wish mine was that low. I pay $710 a month for my student loans. I did consolidate them all when the rate was 1.8%, so there is not much incentive to pay them off early, but if I had an extra $700/month, I could drive whatever the heck I wanted. I did call USAA (which is my mortgage/home equity lender and my insurance company and my credit card company) just to see what they were offering on new cars (just checking for my wife) and they said I was pre-approved for a car loan of up to $50,000. I just about choked! I would NEVER buy a car for that much money. I know some people do, but that would just boggle my mind to go into debt for that much money. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/7e50de56/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Let's go back to the 50's I wonder what it will be like when your same argument will be said about the 2000's John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air entrained concrete
See: http://www.cement.org/basics/concretebasics_airentrained.asp If there is a slight chance of freezing, use air entrained concrete. Why not? Pete -- Original message -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:50:36 -0600 Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: At what temperature should one have air entrained concrete? for what? once it is in place it is like any other crete, unless you have some hyper air form. Above freezing, one does not need air entrainment in flatwork concrete. I would presume that only slightly below freezing, one also does not need air entrainment. At what temperature does it become advisable? 20F? 10F? 0F? -50F? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air entrained concrete
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:37:17 + pm7...@comcast.net wrote: See: http://www.cement.org/basics/concretebasics_airentrained.asp If there is a slight chance of freezing, use air entrained concrete. Why not? Thanks, Pete. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOT MB: Battery/Alternator?
Took the Sub to Sears, they put the machine on it and determined the battery was dead. DUH, I told them that 3 wk ago. Anyway, battery was 2 yr old, I got a new one for $2, the state recycle fee. Mama will be happy now. Oh, and it has 2 cables coming off the positive, but they are joined as one next to the fitting, so there are not two cables sharing the post with some sort of thingie between them. They had big (truck, SUV) jump packs with light and air pump for like $120, seems like a lot. I make service calls cheaper. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
Don't forget that the new little car will run out of steam about the same time as the payments and the warranty run out. These folks won't be able to afford to maintain this new fancy vehicle and it will not serve them nearly as well as their old gas guzzling, oil burning beast did. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun
Ah what the heck? Send a photo of the wife and we'll let you know if you should send her along too. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:18 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun Jim, Just give up and send her (car, not wife) down here to me in North Alabama where she can enjoy a nice warm retirement. Yesterday's high was 57. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Frankenheap fun Crap. The tires on the Frankenheap (115 200D) were a little low this morning, but it was so cold in the garage that the air compressor wouldn't start. I took it to work anyway, meaning to run the car to Les Schwab at lunch both to take care of the tire pressure, and to get some heat into the engine so it'd start after work. But work was insane, and I never got out. Mistake. It wouldn't start after work, too cold and the battery too cold/weak/old/small. We had theater tickets, too. Real theater, Sweeny Todd, not the movies, and we couldn't be late. Jill came and got me instead, after shuttling the babysitter herself. After a bloody fun-fest we dropped back by work, and I found that the one tire was now too flat to drive. I changed it while I let the car battery charge off the jumper cables I keep in the trunk. The car wouldn't start then, either. So I charged it again a bit and hooked up the tow rope that I also keep in the trunk. Starting it wasn't easy, it needed third gear and it still wanted to slip, we towed it with the Chicken Wagon. (I glow the car while it gets up to speed, then drop the clutch.) It fired once and ran a few seconds, long enough for me to flash Jill to stop, then it died. We had to repeat the exercise. (She _hates_ this!) Once running solidly it was fine. It's _cold_ outside! 7 degrees F when we got home, but at least it's a lot less windy than yesterday. I have some work to do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1850 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 5:04 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission
Ewww, I can't wait for the answer on that one John! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: Rusty Cullens wrote: I have a rebuilt one with torque converter for $1695.00. It comes with a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. How much are the 722.6 transmissions? '05 CDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission
John Freer wrote: Ewww, I can't wait for the answer on that one John! No kidding! I wonder how much damage the lifetime fluid causes... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act
They will have to buy another one, which will insure UAW worker employment (or job bank benefits) going forward. It's all part of the plan. --R R A Bennell wrote: Don't forget that the new little car will run out of steam about the same time as the payments and the warranty run out. These folks won't be able to afford to maintain this new fancy vehicle and it will not serve them nearly as well as their old gas guzzling, oil burning beast did. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sell Fuel Efficient Cars Act I can somewhat appreciate the theory behind the plan. My observation (and it is only that) is that folks in that income range tend to own older, less fuel efficient and often highly polluting vehicles (oil-burners). If these POS-style cars can be taken off the road and replaced with more fuel efficient and less polluting vehicles, then that is a good thing. The downside as I see it is that individuals in this economic class, even if they are given $10K credit for the trade-in vehicle, will still not be able to afford payments on a new American (which I assume means Ford, GM or Chevy) car -- if they can even qualify for a loan. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com said: the single threshold was quite much lower. I didn't put it in because i could not remember that number. In the $20 to $25k range. Of course, I forgot that it's the government's place to tell a person what he can and cannot afford. The irony of that is almost more that my brain can handle. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/98cfa3cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081216/bc84c6f2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1998 E320 automatic transmission
I think this answer will determine what I do when my CPO warranty expires on June, 2011. Maybe the tranny will fail within this time frame! John On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: John Freer wrote: Ewww, I can't wait for the answer on that one John! No kidding! I wonder how much damage the lifetime fluid causes... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
