[MBZ] California Fuel
So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
I'll bet you 9-1 that neither the CARB board members nor the NPR reporter has the first clue about petroleum chemistry. On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:55 -0400, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Rich Thomas wrote: I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Further proof that CARB is made up of political appointees who have no concept of chemistry or physical sciences. All the refiners have to do is hire a million 'guest workers' and have them pick all the carbon atoms out of the petroleum with tweezers. Then they can make coal out of the carbon atoms and send it to the sun on rockets for disposal. Should work even better than Obama's Clean Coal proposal to bottle up all the CO2 produced in power plants. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
BTW, Craig, I lived in Rancho Cordova in 1961-62. Recycling reminds me - while there, went to a city/county landfill and purchased for a very nominal fee a small bike that my 4-year-old daughter learned to ride and two very well-made 3-wheel pedal toys - a tractor and a police scooter that my children played with for many years 'til they had far out-grown them. 'Sold them in '75 still in very good condition. Those two toys would be worth a BUNCH now - 'course, so would my '31 Model A, '51 Chevy, '56 Chevy and '64 Karman Ghia. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s) On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:18:00 -0500 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: The antenna is on the front passenger's side fender and there isn't room up under the dash to feed the cable. I'd have to tie the current coax off with string, pull it out, and tie the new coax to the string and pull it back to the passenger's compartment. One obstacle or a broken string, and I will be totally screwed. Taking the fender off would help greatly, if your car doesn't have the plastic sealing goo of the earlier models. If it doesn't, taking the fender off is easy (and demonstrated by my changing the fender on our W123 in the parking lot of Silver Star Recycling in Rancho Cordova, CA). If it does have it, it's quite a pain. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
Recycling reminds me - while there, went to a city/county landfill and purchased for a very nominal fee... Something that is, no doubt, no longer allowed pretty much anywhere. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1prf2sumx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/5d063281/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Yeah there were some problems early on. I'm using the Safari 4 beta version on my PC and Mac (G4 PowerBook running Tiger). I rarely use any other browser. Unlike the first versions, I rarely encounter web sites that do not render properly. The PC version of the beta crashed a lot at first, but mysteriously has stabilized after a few weeks without my doing anything. I run it with plugins disabled, popups disabled, and prompting before accepting any downloads (as I would with any browser). I launched Firefox on the Mac a couple of days ago, had not used for a while and was stunned by how sluggish it was compared to Safari. Also my note about customizing Safari applies almost exclusively to the Mac. See http://pimpmysafari.com/ among others. Allan On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:37 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1prf2sumx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/5d063281/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
similar to the anti gun crowd, who simply haven't a clue about the products they are so against. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Further proof that CARB is made up of political appointees who have no concept of chemistry or physical sciences. All the refiners have to do is hire a million 'guest workers' and have them pick all the carbon atoms out of the petroleum with tweezers. Then they can make coal out of the carbon atoms and send it to the sun on rockets for disposal. Should work even better than Obama's Clean Coal proposal to bottle up all the CO2 produced in power plants. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/4b3f0379/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
your perspective appears biased; as if you're only thinking about Petro-based fuels. ;-) the odds are they're thinking about something else completely (like BioDiesel is supposed to be, for example). the goal is to move to a fuel that has a lower overall Carbon Footprint than the current petroleum-based fuels. many folk were upset after finding out that the Emissions systems on their new 'Clean Diesels' won't accommodate BioDiesel use, and the idea is that the flexibility to use lower Carbon Footprint fuels should be part of any design from here forward. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4388d7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Bio fuels are still carbon-based. Though you might argue they are carbon-neutral if they are made from biomass taken from the current environment, as opposed to fossil fuels. Allan On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:27 -0700, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: your perspective appears biased; as if you're only thinking about Petro-based fuels. ;-) the odds are they're thinking about something else completely (like BioDiesel is supposed to be, for example). the goal is to move to a fuel that has a lower overall Carbon Footprint than the current petroleum-based fuels. many folk were upset after finding out that the Emissions systems on their new 'Clean Diesels' won't accommodate BioDiesel use, and the idea is that the flexibility to use lower Carbon Footprint fuels should be part of any design from here forward. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4388d7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Fossil Fuels are also carbon-neutral. It's just that the process cycle takes a tad longer. Probably longer than our future existence on this planet. -Dave Walton On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Bio fuels are still carbon-based. Though you might argue they are carbon-neutral if they are made from biomass taken from the current environment, as opposed to fossil fuels. Allan On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:27 -0700, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: your perspective appears biased; as if you're only thinking about Petro-based fuels. ;-) the odds are they're thinking about something else completely (like BioDiesel is supposed to be, for example). the goal is to move to a fuel that has a lower overall Carbon Footprint than the current petroleum-based fuels. many folk were upset after finding out that the Emissions systems on their new 'Clean Diesels' won't accommodate BioDiesel use, and the idea is that the flexibility to use lower Carbon Footprint fuels should be part of any design from here forward. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4388d7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
discussion was about lower Carbon Footprint, not *Zero* carbon fuels. cheers! e Allan Streib wrote: Bio fuels are still carbon-based. Though you might argue they are carbon-neutral if they are made from biomass taken from the current environment, as opposed to fossil fuels. Allan On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:27 -0700, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: your perspective appears biased; as if you're only thinking about Petro-based fuels. ;-) the odds are they're thinking about something else completely (like BioDiesel is supposed to be, for example). the goal is to move to a fuel that has a lower overall Carbon Footprint than the current petroleum-based fuels. many folk were upset after finding out that the Emissions systems on their new 'Clean Diesels' won't accommodate BioDiesel use, and the idea is that the flexibility to use lower Carbon Footprint fuels should be part of any design from here forward. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4388d7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/97f05e41/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Well the NPR report was about lower carbon fuels. To me that means hydrogen, or something based on nitrogen, silicon, boron, or whatever exotic thing you can come up with (I personally like the RFNA/UDMH combination). In the same report was mentioned electric cars and plug-in hybrids, which I guess will get their electricity from windmills, solar arrays, or maybe even (gasp!) nukes, which are lower-carbon fuels. But whatever, the auto industry is in such great shape, I'm sure they will respond immediately to the new requirements. --R ernest breakfield wrote: your perspective appears biased; as if you're only thinking about Petro-based fuels. ;-) the odds are they're thinking about something else completely (like BioDiesel is supposed to be, for example). the goal is to move to a fuel that has a lower overall Carbon Footprint than the current petroleum-based fuels. many folk were upset after finding out that the Emissions systems on their new 'Clean Diesels' won't accommodate BioDiesel use, and the idea is that the flexibility to use lower Carbon Footprint fuels should be part of any design from here forward. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4388d7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
i wouldn't get too hung up on the terminology that was used and misled by that; we know how accurate reporting is in the news biz. the intent seems like it was pretty clear (even if they did muddle it further by including discussion of vehicles that are just *remotely* fueled). as for the auto industry, no comment. ;-P cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: Well the NPR report was about lower carbon fuels. To me that means hydrogen, or something based on nitrogen, silicon, boron, or whatever exotic thing you can come up with (I personally like the RFNA/UDMH combination). In the same report was mentioned electric cars and plug-in hybrids, which I guess will get their electricity from windmills, solar arrays, or maybe even (gasp!) nukes, which are lower-carbon fuels. But whatever, the auto industry is in such great shape, I'm sure they will respond immediately to the new requirements. --R ernest breakfield wrote: your perspective appears biased; as if you're only thinking about Petro-based fuels. ;-) the odds are they're thinking about something else completely (like BioDiesel is supposed to be, for example). the goal is to move to a fuel that has a lower overall Carbon Footprint than the current petroleum-based fuels. many folk were upset after finding out that the Emissions systems on their new 'Clean Diesels' won't accommodate BioDiesel use, and the idea is that the flexibility to use lower Carbon Footprint fuels should be part of any design from here forward. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: So this morning on National Propaganda Radio there was a story about CARB voting 9-1 to require lower carbon fuels and encouraging refiners to make lower carbon fuels and car makers to accommodate them. I am trying to figure out, what exactly is a lower carbon fuel? Is that like methane (CH4) as opposed to any higher carbon chain molecule? Is it by weight, volume, energy content/density, what? Hydrogen? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4388d7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/28845288/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] $500 190e
At least the seats aren't black, and Bob has a drivetrain that's certified for a 1987 car. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=pcar_id=261359116 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Of course they are talking about lower carbon FOOTPRINT fuel. But the new CARB LCFS (Low Carbon Fuel Standard) will have the opposite affect of what NPR reported, this morning. Paradoxically, the LCFS penalizes the bio-fuel industry right out of business while promoting petroleum. See: www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-luft16-2009apr16,0,2388173.story Ned Kleinhenz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/aff6492c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
There's flaws with your fuel mileage accounting. I think your 33 should be lower and the 26 should be higher. Luther Wonko the Sane wrote: Some of us get to thrash their diesels for mile after mile every day. I don't have that opportunity, as my commute to work is exactly one mile. But sometimes I have the opportunity to head off for business meetings. Yesterday, got to do the round trip from Jefferson to Boone IA for a late afternoon meeting. Topped off -- as much as would squeeze into the tank -- before leaving, and filled up when I got back (stopped when the pressure stopped pumping). 33 mpg on a 60 mile trip, driving about 55/60 mph, steady throttle and no wind. Today, it was time for me to do some agency training, and had to make the run from Jefferson to Winterset to Indianola and then back to Jefferson (via I-35/I-80). Filled up when I got home, and again stopped pumping when the filling clicked off, so could have put more fuel into the tank. 181 miles, 6.891 gallons. That is 26 mpg running speeds everywhere from 25 mph in small towns to 75 mph on I-35 (speed as measured on the GPS), into a strong headwind all the way coming home from the south. Not too shabby. Best part of the 181 mile trip is that I get 55 cents a mile in reimbursement, plus the cost of lunch. That's an extra $100 in the paycheck in two weeks. Just checked the car's dipstick. With the oil still pretty hot, I seem to have lost 1/8 of oil on the dipstick. By tomorrow, it might not show any oil loss at all. I turned on the radio when I left Jefferson, and quickly turned it off. The purring sound of the diesel engine (did a Diesel Purge treatment last Sunday) was enough music for my ears. Besides, you can't catch the nuances of NPR Classical in a 240D with the driver's window rolled down! -- -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Who knew you could squeeze an American V-8 into a 201?
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1136963035.html I guess it's about the same size as a Fox-body Mustang, but still, somebody went to a lot of effort on this one. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
For me it depends on what website I am using. Firefox works better with OWA. In other cases Safari works better. Of course IE works best of all... If I'm on a PC. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:37:04 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1prf2sumx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd suggest trying Apple's browser, Safari. It's available for Windows. It's faster than Firefox, but does not have as many add-ins if you're into customizing. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/5d063281/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
Luther wrote: There's flaws with your fuel mileage accounting. I think your 33 should be lower and the 26 should be higher. That's because he crammed the tank before the 33mpg refill and admitted he did it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 81 240D, Stick
I just visited my Indie mechanic in Bonita Springs, FL to check out the 83 300SD that I am considering purchasing. Checked out fine! Actually better that that. One of the cleanest he had seen at 128k miles. He mentioned that he had a 1981 240D with a stick and in the 80K miles range. I know that many of you have expressed interest in such a vehicle. No interest or affiliation but he is: Steve Thomas DBA as Benz Tech (Bonita Springs, FL) 239-289-0160 239-289-0080 benzt...@earthlink.net Tom Harruff Naples, FL 1985 300Dt (Diesel Dolly) 1983 300SD (Dallas - The Big D) coming soon 1994 C280 (Wife's Car) 2000 Sedan Deville (Road Car) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
and admitted that he didn't cram the tank AFTER the 33mpg trip. This could mean a pint or quart difference. Luther Mitch Haley wrote: Luther wrote: There's flaws with your fuel mileage accounting. I think your 33 should be lower and the 26 should be higher. That's because he crammed the tank before the 33mpg refill and admitted he did it. Mitch. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Alles. If they fired the CARB board that would lower Co2 levels tremendously! My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred At 01:40 PM 4/24/2009, you wrote: Of course they are talking about lower carbon FOOTPRINT fuel. But the new CARB LCFS (Low Carbon Fuel Standard) will have the opposite affect of what NPR reported, this morning. Paradoxically, the LCFS penalizes the bio-fuel industry right out of business while promoting petroleum. Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 81 240D, Stick
How much is the 300SD? --R Tom Harruff wrote: I just visited my Indie mechanic in Bonita Springs, FL to check out the 83 300SD that I am considering purchasing. Checked out fine! Actually better that that. One of the cleanest he had seen at 128k miles. He mentioned that he had a 1981 240D with a stick and in the 80K miles range. I know that many of you have expressed interest in such a vehicle. No interest or affiliation but he is: Steve Thomas DBA as Benz Tech (Bonita Springs, FL) 239-289-0160 239-289-0080 benzt...@earthlink.net Tom Harruff Naples, FL 1985 300Dt (Diesel Dolly) 1983 300SD (Dallas - The Big D) coming soon 1994 C280 (Wife's Car) 2000 Sedan Deville (Road Car) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?
Hey Dave -- That sounds really good! Help me understand what the PCI card will do. I can install the card then run power Data wires to SATA drives installed inside my desktop case, right?That sounds like just the thing! ATA IDE HDs are becoming more hard to find in large capacities. Most are 200gb or less. SATA though is very different - even sizes up to 1TB are in the $100-$130 range, and these will really add to internal storage. Thx for the help Dave - Appreciate it - LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller? You may actually get better performance from software raid - depending on your processor and if you need to be doing anything else while copying files. Here is a 4-port SIL card for $19 including shipping - http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Port-SATA-PCI-Raid-Controller-Card-Adapter-SIL3114-5V_W0QQitemZ350167691880QQihZ022QQcategoryZ90717QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Or get an 8-port 3Ware for $165 - http://cgi.ebay.com/3Ware-9500S-8-8-Ports-Sata-Raid-Controller-Card-W-128_W0QQitemZ270378262353QQihZ017QQcategoryZ56091QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The 3Ware should work in a shorter card slot if there is room for the unused connectors to dangle above the motherboard. No harm in having more ports than you need at the moment. Chances are you will end up using them. If you are considering running the 3Ware 9500S in a shorter slot, let me know and I'll test it here. Will only take a few minutes. -Dave Walton On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: But I don't want RAID 10, it wastes too much space and costs half my speed. I NEED speed and I NEED space, what I don't need is data security, I'm gonna capture from timecoded tape, if the data goes away I can get it back, no big whoop. Like I wrote in a different post video is a different world. I'd forgotten to look at Newegg, they have a good selection of controllers. For my needs it looks like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816150021 might be acceptable. I agree that I don't want a super cheap controller but SIIG is a good name, wish it had 4 ports. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816122015 This Sonnet card does, I've heard good things about them but never used their products. This discussion has helped me to narrow down my requirements, I'd like a 4 port card, hardware RAID is unnecessary, and I'd like to have the price around $100. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:47:24 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller? To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 093b01c9c3b5$7322b0c0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 Curt, The best setup is a RAID 10 with 4, 6 or 8 drives. Stay away from the cheap controllers - they are junk. Also, you want a true hardware RAID controller. Here's a good one for 2 drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116030 If you want to get real serious, here's a 12 port RAID card that should perform well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116057 Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090423/7e29ba32/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who knew you could squeeze an American V-8 into a 201?
Yuck- what a waste of a nice W201 :( For the $5500 he's asking you could easily buy a nice 190E 16V Cosworth! According to wikipedia, the 5.0 Mustang had about 140hp, compared to 202hp for the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder engine that was sold in the 190E Cosworth, or 166hp in the regular M103 2.6 engine that can be found in junkyards everywhere and bolts right in. Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1136963035.html I guess it's about the same size as a Fox-body Mustang, but still, somebody went to a lot of effort on this one. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who knew you could squeeze an American V-8 into a 201?
Another pity. Wilton - Original Message - From: tyler casi...@usermail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who knew you could squeeze an American V-8 into a 201? Yuck- what a waste of a nice W201 :( For the $5500 he's asking you could easily buy a nice 190E 16V Cosworth! According to wikipedia, the 5.0 Mustang had about 140hp, compared to 202hp for the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder engine that was sold in the 190E Cosworth, or 166hp in the regular M103 2.6 engine that can be found in junkyards everywhere and bolts right in. Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1136963035.html I guess it's about the same size as a Fox-body Mustang, but still, somebody went to a lot of effort on this one. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
From: Curt Raymond I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt -- Which firewall and antivirus do you use with Firefox? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT My neighbor across the road
Typical stupidity IMNHO. I fear eventually they'll be allowed to build some very, *very,* expensive homes with beautiful water views. Then, one day in the near future a little thing called a Hurr-i-cane will decide that spit of land would be a cool place to come ashore. Presto-chango, some wind rain and those beautiful water front homes are now not so beautiful underwater homes - although still possessing some interesting water views - only now it's from 30' underwater. Naturally the rich powerful people who owned those homes will cry to our government and ask for some help. Which they always seem to get. Since they had no insurance leaning on the govt is the only way for them to get some of their investment back. Once again, the citizens of this country get to pay for someone making very poor choices. Ho hum. It seems the bottomless pockets of the American taxpayers can always dig a little deeper - afterall *they* certainly have no need for something as silly as money.One of these days there's going to be a big time problem when there just isn't enough money or taxpayers left to lean on anymore. I hope the little guy wins - and another piece of our coastline doesn't end up covered in concrete.\\ LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT My neighbor across the road Rich Thomas wrote: Y'all might be interested in this, sort of a break from murder, mayhem, taxes, and economic stories. http://charleston.net/news/2009/apr/21/spat_over_kiawah_spit79404/#comments We're off topic for this list, but if I were he, my immediate response to the county would be Eat $hit, F$%k You. Then I'd take a look for laws concerning SLAPP actions, and if there was applicable statute (like there is in Michigan), I'd file a anti-slapp suit against whatever moron county employee signed the letter ordering me to stop exercising my free speech rights. Or I might just file a federal §1983 suit against him and not worry about state laws. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or just front?
My 83 W123 300TD makes a peculiar sort of moaning/wowing noise above 45 mph that doesn't vary in pitch with the speed of the car. I had the front bearings replaced 6 months ago (both sides) but this noise sounds as if they are shot again. So here are my questions: 1) Could this be road noise from the front tires? The tires look fine, the steering wheel is solid, and there is no shimmying. . 2) Could the noise actually be coming from worn REAR wheel bearings? Are there bearings in the rear that must be replaced when worn out? This is NOT the whining noise made by a worn out rear axle 3) Any other possible sources of the noise? In an earlier experience (a different 1983 300TD), the defective bearings made their racket at low rather than high speeds and this noise was a lot more obnoxious IIRC than what I am hearing now... 4) Would it make sense to swap the front and rear tires to see if that makes a difference? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300CD (doesn't moan) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/d211e47b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or justfront?
Have you jacked up a front wheel and spun it by hand while listening closely and feeling for roughness? Nearly fifty years ago, I could confirm a bad wheel bearing in this manner, but as I said, I haven't done it a while. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or justfront? My 83 W123 300TD makes a peculiar sort of moaning/wowing noise above 45 mph that doesn't vary in pitch with the speed of the car. I had the front bearings replaced 6 months ago (both sides) but this noise sounds as if they are shot again. So here are my questions: 1) Could this be road noise from the front tires? The tires look fine, the steering wheel is solid, and there is no shimmying. . 2) Could the noise actually be coming from worn REAR wheel bearings? Are there bearings in the rear that must be replaced when worn out? This is NOT the whining noise made by a worn out rear axle 3) Any other possible sources of the noise? In an earlier experience (a different 1983 300TD), the defective bearings made their racket at low rather than high speeds and this noise was a lot more obnoxious IIRC than what I am hearing now... 4) Would it make sense to swap the front and rear tires to see if that makes a difference? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300CD (doesn't moan) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/d211e47b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SATA controller?
Whaa? I've got a 300GB IDE drive in this computer right now. SCSI harddrives basically maxed out at 146GB... I've seen IDE drives up to 500GB but not larger. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:39:34 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] SATA controller? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: ed9ea6d404f04ebeb97a71f325bbf...@larrypc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hey Dave -- That sounds really good! Help me understand what the PCI card will do. I can install the card then run power Data wires to SATA drives installed inside my desktop case, right? That sounds like just the thing! ATA IDE HDs are becoming more hard to find in large capacities. Most are 200gb or less. SATA though is very different - even sizes up to 1TB are in the $100-$130 range, and these will really add to internal storage. Thx for the help Dave - Appreciate it - LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f5092df8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
Linux... Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:41:56 -0400 From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 653c4e17ce8849e084fa682e6b05c...@billardef4d8b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed From: Curt Raymond I guess in the new version they fixed the take over your computer and steal all your information security holes. Apparently the first version of Safari on PC was a disaster... Firefox is still better than Safari. I've played with Google's Chrome browser some too, its okay but I keep coming back to Firefox. -Curt -- Which firewall and antivirus do you use with Firefox? Thanks, Gerry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/120105ab/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT My neighbor across the road
Here's the story. Last fall the local congresscritter introduced a bill or an amendment to something that would remove the designation of that area as whatever that prevented FEMA flood insurance from being made available. He got caught, there was a stink, he rescinded the bill. Then he had the stupidity to say he had just done it on his own, the developers had never asked him, he barely knew them (shades of Obama and Ayers, but I digress) when in fact he is completely in bed with these guys and goes way back with them. What a dumbass. And like he would have any clue on flood zone designations, etc. What a fucking idiot. So anyway, now if the houses are ever built, the owners will have to pony up like $40k a year or something for insurance (I am sure the homes/lots will be some multiple of million$ so no big deal, but better for unkie to pay). Some time ago the developers tried to get a permit to put in a seawall revetment thing on the back side of the spit, where the tidal estuary is, and where the turtles nest and the porpoises feed. That got denied. So just recently they submitted a permit request to put in a flood control barrier, about 30 ft inland away from the protected area, which will be essentially the same thing but a bit inland so in a storm it will only wash away that 30ft and leave the rest of the spit, and now the revetment on the estuary. We are now trying to get that subjected to a public hearing, etc. The other thing is, when the storm comes (about every 40 years or so) and washes over the spit, all the houses will end up on the back side of the spit in the estuary, and fill it (a very pristine area, I caught a nice big fat redfish out there last Saturday) with high-end debris, which they will then ask unkie to clean out so their area is not a dump. The congresscritter got reelected, only because the woman running against him was a born again shrew dyke (go figure that combination) and pissed off a lot of people with her campaign. These guys are just too much. --R LarryT wrote: Typical stupidity IMNHO. I fear eventually they'll be allowed to build some very, *very,* expensive homes with beautiful water views. Then, one day in the near future a little thing called a Hurr-i-cane will decide that spit of land would be a cool place to come ashore. Presto-chango, some wind rain and those beautiful water front homes are now not so beautiful underwater homes - although still possessing some interesting water views - only now it's from 30' underwater. Naturally the rich powerful people who owned those homes will cry to our government and ask for some help. Which they always seem to get. Since they had no insurance leaning on the govt is the only way for them to get some of their investment back. Once again, the citizens of this country get to pay for someone making very poor choices. Ho hum. It seems the bottomless pockets of the American taxpayers can always dig a little deeper - afterall *they* certainly have no need for something as silly as money.One of these days there's going to be a big time problem when there just isn't enough money or taxpayers left to lean on anymore. I hope the little guy wins - and another piece of our coastline doesn't end up covered in concrete.\\ LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT My neighbor across the road Rich Thomas wrote: Y'all might be interested in this, sort of a break from murder, mayhem, taxes, and economic stories. http://charleston.net/news/2009/apr/21/spat_over_kiawah_spit79404/#comments We're off topic for this list, but if I were he, my immediate response to the county would be Eat $hit, F$%k You. Then I'd take a look for laws concerning SLAPP actions, and if there was applicable statute (like there is in Michigan), I'd file a anti-slapp suit against whatever moron county employee signed the letter ordering me to stop exercising my free speech rights. Or I might just file a federal §1983 suit against him and not worry about state laws. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
[MBZ] APOLOGIES OT My neighbor across the road
I used poopoo words here, got a bit carried away, sorry for polluting the list. --R Rich Thomas wrote: Here's the story. Last fall the local congresscritter introduced a bill or an amendment to something that would remove the designation of that area as whatever that prevented FEMA flood insurance from being made available. He got caught, there was a stink, he rescinded the bill. Then he had the stupidity to say he had just done it on his own, the developers had never asked him, he barely knew them (shades of Obama and Ayers, but I digress) when in fact he is completely in bed with these guys and goes way back with them. What a dumbass. And like he would have any clue on flood zone designations, etc. What a fucking idiot. So anyway, now if the houses are ever built, the owners will have to pony up like $40k a year or something for insurance (I am sure the homes/lots will be some multiple of million$ so no big deal, but better for unkie to pay). Some time ago the developers tried to get a permit to put in a seawall revetment thing on the back side of the spit, where the tidal estuary is, and where the turtles nest and the porpoises feed. That got denied. So just recently they submitted a permit request to put in a flood control barrier, about 30 ft inland away from the protected area, which will be essentially the same thing but a bit inland so in a storm it will only wash away that 30ft and leave the rest of the spit, and now the revetment on the estuary. We are now trying to get that subjected to a public hearing, etc. The other thing is, when the storm comes (about every 40 years or so) and washes over the spit, all the houses will end up on the back side of the spit in the estuary, and fill it (a very pristine area, I caught a nice big fat redfish out there last Saturday) with high-end debris, which they will then ask unkie to clean out so their area is not a dump. The congresscritter got reelected, only because the woman running against him was a born again shrew dyke (go figure that combination) and pissed off a lot of people with her campaign. These guys are just too much. --R LarryT wrote: Typical stupidity IMNHO. I fear eventually they'll be allowed to build some very, *very,* expensive homes with beautiful water views. Then, one day in the near future a little thing called a Hurr-i-cane will decide that spit of land would be a cool place to come ashore. Presto-chango, some wind rain and those beautiful water front homes are now not so beautiful underwater homes - although still possessing some interesting water views - only now it's from 30' underwater. Naturally the rich powerful people who owned those homes will cry to our government and ask for some help. Which they always seem to get. Since they had no insurance leaning on the govt is the only way for them to get some of their investment back. Once again, the citizens of this country get to pay for someone making very poor choices. Ho hum. It seems the bottomless pockets of the American taxpayers can always dig a little deeper - afterall *they* certainly have no need for something as silly as money.One of these days there's going to be a big time problem when there just isn't enough money or taxpayers left to lean on anymore. I hope the little guy wins - and another piece of our coastline doesn't end up covered in concrete.\\ LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT My neighbor across the road Rich Thomas wrote: Y'all might be interested in this, sort of a break from murder, mayhem, taxes, and economic stories. http://charleston.net/news/2009/apr/21/spat_over_kiawah_spit79404/#comments We're off topic for this list, but if I were he, my immediate response to the county would be Eat $hit, F$%k You. Then I'd take a look for laws concerning SLAPP actions, and if there was applicable statute (like there is in Michigan), I'd file a anti-slapp suit against whatever moron county employee signed the letter ordering me to stop exercising my free speech rights. Or I might just file a federal §1983 suit against him and not worry about state laws. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
The trip to and from Boone is on really flat land. Only one hill each direction, constant throttle pressure for most of the trip. Going into Winterset, it got really hilly so there was lots of full-throttle driving getting up the hills (I had an empty dump truck climbing up my back bumper). Same thing coming up I-35: lots of full throttle stuff while passing other vehicles. Enough of that, and you end up screwing up your MPG. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's flaws with your fuel mileage accounting. I think your 33 should be lower and the 26 should be higher. Luther Wonko the Sane wrote: Some of us get to thrash their diesels for mile after mile every day. I don't have that opportunity, as my commute to work is exactly one mile. But sometimes I have the opportunity to head off for business meetings. Yesterday, got to do the round trip from Jefferson to Boone IA for a late afternoon meeting. Topped off -- as much as would squeeze into the tank -- before leaving, and filled up when I got back (stopped when the pressure stopped pumping). 33 mpg on a 60 mile trip, driving about 55/60 mph, steady throttle and no wind. Today, it was time for me to do some agency training, and had to make the run from Jefferson to Winterset to Indianola and then back to Jefferson (via I-35/I-80). Filled up when I got home, and again stopped pumping when the filling clicked off, so could have put more fuel into the tank. 181 miles, 6.891 gallons. That is 26 mpg running speeds everywhere from 25 mph in small towns to 75 mph on I-35 (speed as measured on the GPS), into a strong headwind all the way coming home from the south. Not too shabby. Best part of the 181 mile trip is that I get 55 cents a mile in reimbursement, plus the cost of lunch. That's an extra $100 in the paycheck in two weeks. Just checked the car's dipstick. With the oil still pretty hot, I seem to have lost 1/8 of oil on the dipstick. By tomorrow, it might not show any oil loss at all. I turned on the radio when I left Jefferson, and quickly turned it off. The purring sound of the diesel engine (did a Diesel Purge treatment last Sunday) was enough music for my ears. Besides, you can't catch the nuances of NPR Classical in a 240D with the driver's window rolled down! -- -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I walk to the beat of a different drummer. That is who I am. Deal with it, because I wouldn't change it if I could. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/801c9acf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Alright, let's just start this fight right now Solaris! -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/cac70f40/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
..and admitted that he didn't cram the tank AFTER the 33mpg trip. This could mean a pint or quart difference... It could mean a helluva lot more than that. On my past MBs, after the first auto-shutoff I could get at least another gallon in if I dribbled it in until I could see it. Which is what anyone would do if they wanted to do an accurate consumption test. Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. RLE ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/221952a2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] V8 190
...Yuck- what a waste of a nice W201 :( For the $5500 he's asking you could easily buy a nice 190E 16V Cosworth! According to wikipedia, the 5.0 Mustang had about 140hp, compared to 202hp for the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder engine that was sold in the 190E Cosworth, or 166hp in the regular M103 2.6 engine that can be found in junkyards everywhere and bolts right in... Oh, I don't know. This car is an '84 which is the least desirable 201. BTW, I owned a '89 2.6 and it didn't have 166hp. More like 157, as I recall. RLE ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/cb07d7a5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or justfront?
My guess would be front wheel bearings (did they put in new races? If not, the old ones eat the new bearing very fast, BTDT). Tires are also a possibility, but that noise varies with road speed almost always. Yes, there is a bearing in each wheel carrier in the rear, and yes they can make noise. Also check for things like a bad belt or a fan rubbing on the shroud, or dead engine mounts allowing something to rub, like hoses. Peter On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:44 PM, WILTON wrote: Have you jacked up a front wheel and spun it by hand while listening closely and feeling for roughness? Nearly fifty years ago, I could confirm a bad wheel bearing in this manner, but as I said, I haven't done it a while. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or justfront? My 83 W123 300TD makes a peculiar sort of moaning/wowing noise above 45 mph that doesn't vary in pitch with the speed of the car. I had the front bearings replaced 6 months ago (both sides) but this noise sounds as if they are shot again. So here are my questions: 1) Could this be road noise from the front tires? The tires look fine, the steering wheel is solid, and there is no shimmying. . 2) Could the noise actually be coming from worn REAR wheel bearings? Are there bearings in the rear that must be replaced when worn out? This is NOT the whining noise made by a worn out rear axle 3) Any other possible sources of the noise? In an earlier experience (a different 1983 300TD), the defective bearings made their racket at low rather than high speeds and this noise was a lot more obnoxious IIRC than what I am hearing now... 4) Would it make sense to swap the front and rear tires to see if that makes a difference? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300CD (doesn't moan) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090424/d211e47b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Parting out '82 300TD
Forwarded from a former lister: I'm thinking of parting out my 82 300TD, yes, a wagon, blue with tan leather interior, euro lights. Trans only works in reverse, and the engine leaks like a sieve from the front and rear mainseals. Interested in the car or some parts? Rory Morrison Oroville, WA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who knew you could squeeze an American V-8 into a 201?
According to wikipedia, the 5.0 Mustang had about 140hp, ??? When? My thought was that they were very similar to the equivalent Camaro, which was 200+ HP in that displacement. Or was that rear-wheel ponies? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Whats wrong with this one
On St. Louis Craigslist. Thinking about looking at this weekend. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1135471504.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/59779fc3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
OpenBSD! On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Ed Booher wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Alright, let's just start this fight right now Solaris! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats wrong with this one
Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes: On St. Louis Craigslist. Thinking about looking at this weekend. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1135471504.html Could be as simple as a clogged fuel filter or tank strainer. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
Thats not what screwed up your MPG. You can't EVER top up and get an accurate MPG count. In fact to get really really accurate MPG you need to use the same pump at the same ambient temp but I'd be willing to accept always just filling the tank. Fill 'till the pump shuts off and you're good to go. Actually always use the same pump speed too so you get the same amount of foam although I'm not sure that'd make a big difference. I don't like to wait so I just run the pump full-bore... My 240D continues to average 28mpg highway although I haven't been running it because of leaking oil cooler lines that I keep forgetting to call Rusty about. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:22:53 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 61dfb08b0904241622u4c2089b0t711b2ccba832a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The trip to and from Boone is on really flat land. Only one hill each direction, constant throttle pressure for most of the trip. Going into Winterset, it got really hilly so there was lots of full-throttle driving getting up the hills (I had an empty dump truck climbing up my back bumper). Same thing coming up I-35: lots of full throttle stuff while passing other vehicles. Enough of that, and you end up screwing up your MPG. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There's flaws with your fuel mileage accounting. I think your 33 should be lower and the 26 should be higher. Luther -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/f4e73366/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
I drive enough (110 miles a day) that 20 miles either way makes no never mind, I need to fill up 3 times every 2 weeks no matter what. I guess if you wanted as accurate as possible you'd fill until just before fuel started running out, or let fuel run out, capture it, measure it and deduct from the total put in... Accuracy is relative of course, I'm willing to use the auto shutoff determine my accuracy... -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:24:44 EDT From: relng...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: c85.4b6768b3.3723b...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ..and admitted that he didn't cram the tank AFTER the 33mpg trip. This could mean a pint or quart difference... It could mean a helluva lot more than that. On my past MBs, after the first auto-shutoff I could get at least another gallon in if I dribbled it in until I could see it. Which is what anyone would do if they wanted to do an accurate consumption test. Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/23479fb1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who knew you could squeeze an American V-8 into a 201?
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: According to wikipedia, the 5.0 Mustang had about 140hp, ??? When? Perhaps in early-'80s carbureted form. The late-'80s fuel-injected 5.0 GT was advertised at 225 hp, IIRC. Neither number is really relevant to the engine in the misbegotten 190E I posted originally, which I'm sure is built up quite a bit (otherwise what would be the point)? Just as with a small-block Chevy, you can get 300+ hp out of a Ford 5.0 with very little effort, and much more than that if you have the money or are willing to sacrifice longevity. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
If you average over multiple fill-ups the issue becomes moot. If you record milage and fuel quantity over several months and average them, you will get a pretty solid number. Peter On Apr 24, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I drive enough (110 miles a day) that 20 miles either way makes no never mind, I need to fill up 3 times every 2 weeks no matter what. I guess if you wanted as accurate as possible you'd fill until just before fuel started running out, or let fuel run out, capture it, measure it and deduct from the total put in... Accuracy is relative of course, I'm willing to use the auto shutoff determine my accuracy... -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:24:44 EDT From: relng...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: c85.4b6768b3.3723b...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ..and admitted that he didn't cram the tank AFTER the 33mpg trip. This could mean a pint or quart difference... It could mean a helluva lot more than that. On my past MBs, after the first auto-shutoff I could get at least another gallon in if I dribbled it in until I could see it. Which is what anyone would do if they wanted to do an accurate consumption test. Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090424/23479fb1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
The time between click off and top off was less than a good fart. Not too many gallons pumped in during that time frame. I might have added a whole cup of fuel. BTW, I used the same pump at the same Jefferson IA Kum Go (a joke in itself) each time I added fuel. I did not post that information to start an argument. I posted it as the facts as I saw them. The differences in mpg are easily explained by the terrain on which I was driving each leg (totally flat vs. extremely hilly, and then a 70 mph speed limit Interstate highway vs. two lane roads). Going to Boone, I did a steady 60 mph (as reported by a GPS) for all but a mile or two. Next day, my foot was buried more than it was raised, going up and down a lot of hills and then running rush hour Des Moines Interstate traffic. Either way, 25 mph or 33 mpg is something that I can easily live with. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats not what screwed up your MPG. You can't EVER top up and get an accurate MPG count. In fact to get really really accurate MPG you need to use the same pump at the same ambient temp but I'd be willing to accept always just filling the tank. Fill 'till the pump shuts off and you're good to go. Actually always use the same pump speed too so you get the same amount of foam although I'm not sure that'd make a big difference. I don't like to wait so I just run the pump full-bore... My 240D continues to average 28mpg highway although I haven't been running it because of leaking oil cooler lines that I keep forgetting to call Rusty about. -Curt -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/d7330277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
I don't think it really matters. It isn't like your diesel runs out of fuel because your calculations were off, and you pop the hood and argue with the injectors. When the fuel gauge gets low, pull in and fill up. Anything other than that is totally academic. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: If you average over multiple fill-ups the issue becomes moot. If you record milage and fuel quantity over several months and average them, you will get a pretty solid number. Peter -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/9ee9f56d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
I'll certainly top off if I'm going to use it immediately; like you said, that much longer before I have to refuel. If the car is going to sit in the sun, though, and possibly dribble expanding fuel, I won't top off quite so much. Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not ..and admitted that he didn't cram the tank AFTER the 33mpg trip. This could mean a pint or quart difference... It could mean a helluva lot more than that. On my past MBs, after the first auto-shutoff I could get at least another gallon in if I dribbled it in until I could see it. Which is what anyone would do if they wanted to do an accurate consumption test. Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. RLE ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/221952a2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:24:26 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: (I personally like the RFNA/UDMH combination). Red Fuming Nitric Acid and Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine. Lovely stuff! From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsymmetrical_dimethylhydrazine, UDMH is often used in hypergolic rocket fuels as a bipropellant in combination with the oxidizer nitrogen tetroxide and less frequently with RFNA (red fuming nitric acid) or liquid oxygen. UDMH is a derivative of hydrazine and is sometimes referred to as a hydrazine. As a fuel, it is described in specification MIL-D-25064. UDMH is stable and can be kept loaded in rocket fuel systems for long periods, which makes it appealing for use in many liquid rocket engines, despite its high density and cost. In some applications, such as the OMS in the Space Shuttle or maneuvering engines, monomethylhydrazine is used instead due to its slightly higher specific impulse. UDMH functions as a starter fuel to start combustion and warm the rocket engine prior to switching to kerosene. UDMH has higher stability than hydrazine, especially at elevated temperatures, and can be used as its replacement or together in a mixture. UDMH is used in many European, Russian, Indian, and Chinese rocket designs. The Titan, GSLV, and Delta rocket families use a mixture of 50% hydrazine and 50% UDMH, called Aerozine 50, in different stages. Apart from its use as rocket fuel, UDMH is a nitrogen source in metalorganic vapour phase epitaxy thin-film deposition. Safety UDMH is toxic, a carcinogen and can explode in the presence of oxidisers. It is toxic and is absorbed through the skin. During the 1980s there was concern about the levels of UDMH in various foods being a cancer risk, especially for apple juice.[1] From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRFNA, Red fuming nitric acid (RFNA) is a storable oxidizer used as a rocket propellant. It consists mainly of nitric acid (HNO3), also containing 13% dinitrogen tetroxide and 3% water. The color of the resulting red fuming nitric acid is due to the dinitrogen tetroxide, which breaks down partially to form nitrogen dioxide. White fuming nitric acid does not contain free dinitrogen tetroxide. It is usually used with an inhibitor (with various, sometimes secret, substances, including hydrogen fluoride; any such combination is called IRFNA) because nitric acid attacks most container materials. It can also be a monopropellant; with substances like ammonium nitrates dissolved in it, it can be used as the sole fuel in a rocket. It is not normally used this way however. During World War II, the German military used RFNA in some rockets. The mixtures used were called S-Stoff (96% nitric acid with 4% ferric chloride) and SV-Stoff (94% nitric acid with 6% dinitrogen tetroxide). Inhibited RFNA, used in modified SS-1 Scud missiles as an oxidizer by the Iraqi military during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, was suggested as a possible factor causing Gulf War Syndrome. However, this theory was later refuted. Compositions * IRFNA IIIa: 83.4% HNO3, 14% NO2, 2% H2O, 0.6% HF * IRFNA IV HDA: 54.3% HNO3, 44% NO2, 1% H2O, 0.7% HF * S-Stoff: 96% HNO3, 4% FeCl3 * SV-Stoff: 94% HNO3, 6% N2O4 * AK20: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4 * AK20F: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4, fluorine-based inhibitor * AK20I: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4, iodine-based inhibitor * AK20K: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4, unknown inhibitor * AK27I: 73% HNO3, 27% N2O4, iodine-based inhibitor * AK27P: 73% HNO3, 27% N2O4, unknown inhibitor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
Does anybody know if different pumps shut off at the same point or if same pump shuts off at same point with differing flow rates or even same flow rate, etc? If I can see the fuel at the same point, I can SEE it at the same point and feel more confident that it's at the same point, especially if I've shaken the car a bit to remove large bubbles (trapped air - not foam) for that last little bit. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not I drive enough (110 miles a day) that 20 miles either way makes no never mind, I need to fill up 3 times every 2 weeks no matter what. I guess if you wanted as accurate as possible you'd fill until just before fuel started running out, or let fuel run out, capture it, measure it and deduct from the total put in... Accuracy is relative of course, I'm willing to use the auto shutoff determine my accuracy... -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:24:44 EDT From: relng...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: c85.4b6768b3.3723b...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ..and admitted that he didn't cram the tank AFTER the 33mpg trip. This could mean a pint or quart difference... It could mean a helluva lot more than that. On my past MBs, after the first auto-shutoff I could get at least another gallon in if I dribbled it in until I could see it. Which is what anyone would do if they wanted to do an accurate consumption test. Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/23479fb1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
I may have missed it in the original post - that WAS Boone, IA, right? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s) The time between click off and top off was less than a good fart. Not too many gallons pumped in during that time frame. I might have added a whole cup of fuel. BTW, I used the same pump at the same Jefferson IA Kum Go (a joke in itself) each time I added fuel. I did not post that information to start an argument. I posted it as the facts as I saw them. The differences in mpg are easily explained by the terrain on which I was driving each leg (totally flat vs. extremely hilly, and then a 70 mph speed limit Interstate highway vs. two lane roads). Going to Boone, I did a steady 60 mph (as reported by a GPS) for all but a mile or two. Next day, my foot was buried more than it was raised, going up and down a lot of hills and then running rush hour Des Moines Interstate traffic. Either way, 25 mph or 33 mpg is something that I can easily live with. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats not what screwed up your MPG. You can't EVER top up and get an accurate MPG count. In fact to get really really accurate MPG you need to use the same pump at the same ambient temp but I'd be willing to accept always just filling the tank. Fill 'till the pump shuts off and you're good to go. Actually always use the same pump speed too so you get the same amount of foam although I'm not sure that'd make a big difference. I don't like to wait so I just run the pump full-bore... My 240D continues to average 28mpg highway although I haven't been running it because of leaking oil cooler lines that I keep forgetting to call Rusty about. -Curt -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/d7330277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:24:44 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote: Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. I've been topping off for nearly 37 years. When I want to accurately check mileage, I bounce the rear of the car up-and-down to get all the bubbles out of the tank and fill until I can see diesel standing an inch or two below the top of the filler. I used to do that every fillup, but I've gotten lazy and do that less often. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer
I second that - OpenBSD ! On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: OpenBSD! On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Ed Booher wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Linux... Alright, let's just start this fight right now Solaris! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/d73941fc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
That would make a great YouTube video! On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: O I've been topping off for nearly 37 years. When I want to accurately check mileage, I bounce the rear of the car up-and-down to get all the bubbles out of the tank and fill until I can see diesel standing an inch or two below the top of the filler. I used to do that every fillup, but I've gotten lazy and do that less often. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/2cdaad42/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
That's what I've been lucky enough to do for MANY years - when the gauge indicates low, refuel. 'Had faulty gauges coupla times, though, and had unpleasant surprises - first one while driving my new Karman Ghia home from Atlanta; second one on a Sunday afternoon on CA 99 in nearly new Chrysler. )) Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not I don't think it really matters. It isn't like your diesel runs out of fuel because your calculations were off, and you pop the hood and argue with the injectors. When the fuel gauge gets low, pull in and fill up. Anything other than that is totally academic. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: If you average over multiple fill-ups the issue becomes moot. If you record milage and fuel quantity over several months and average them, you will get a pretty solid number. Peter -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/9ee9f56d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
Yes. 30 miles east of me on Highway 30. For you east coasters, that is sort of like I-95 except most of it has two lanes and it runs east/west. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I may have missed it in the original post - that WAS Boone, IA, right? ;)) Wilton -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/6540b7cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
'Been topping off for 59 years; I shake the car by pushing it side-to-side a bit with my hip. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:24:44 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote: Yes, I know that the list deitys (here and on the R/E list, even) have said don't top off but it's another 20+ miles before I'm in the gas station again. So, I always do it. I've been topping off for nearly 37 years. When I want to accurately check mileage, I bounce the rear of the car up-and-down to get all the bubbles out of the tank and fill until I can see diesel standing an inch or two below the top of the filler. I used to do that every fillup, but I've gotten lazy and do that less often. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
I would not have expected that of a pilot. I normally refuel when the gauge hits 1/2 tank. Sometimes, 1/4 tank if I am feeling lucky. I've seen the reserve light on my 240D once, and that was just to test it (in town, within walking distance of my house). Yea, I know -- half tank give me about 300 miles to empty. I don't care -- the fuel you might have taken on last landing, the runway behind you, etc. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:24 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: That's what I've been lucky enough to do for MANY years - when the gauge indicates low, refuel. -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/ed6e36ca/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
Good God, you were topping off when my parents were dating as high school students -- and I have an AARP card! :-) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:29 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Been topping off for 59 years; I shake the car by pushing it side-to-side a bit with my hip. ;))) Wilton -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/6e4cb1b7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
Yeah, I know - just trying to get in a plug for Boone,NC. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s) Yes. 30 miles east of me on Highway 30. For you east coasters, that is sort of like I-95 except most of it has two lanes and it runs east/west. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I may have missed it in the original post - that WAS Boone, IA, right? ;)) Wilton -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/6540b7cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
Not quite so loew carbon - UDMH functions as a starter fuel to start combustion and warm the rocket engine prior to switching to *kerosene*. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:24:26 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: (I personally like the RFNA/UDMH combination). Red Fuming Nitric Acid and Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine. Lovely stuff! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/16a23ff8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
'Been married for 52, been driving for 61 (2 years before I was licensed). BTW, 'taught my wife to drive when she was 16 (3 years before we were married). ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not Good God, you were topping off when my parents were dating as high school students -- and I have an AARP card! :-) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:29 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Been topping off for 59 years; I shake the car by pushing it side-to-side a bit with my hip. ;))) Wilton -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/6e4cb1b7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D trip report(s)
Been there. Nice town. I was the Minister of Music at Emmanuel Baptist Church in Elizabeth City NC 1974-75, plus did USCG avionics school at Lizard City in 1975-76. I've been all over your state. Lost count of how many times I landed there in CGAS Cape Cod aircraft. Our MGB was all over North Carolina when we lived in Jax FL (1995-1997). The Yellow Beast MG had a particular fondness for the Blue Ridge Parkway, especially since my son was a student at Virginia Tech at the time. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:33 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yeah, I know - just trying to get in a plug for Boone,NC. ;)) Wilton -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/22d6d344/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mileage test not
You are to be congratulated. I want an invitation to your 55th. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:42 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Been married for 52, -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/b02adb4e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Another engine swap car
This thing will NEVER be a classic or collector car so rest easy. http://blog.webridestv.com/2009/04/22/24-hours-of-lemons-metro-gnome-on-the- loose/ RLE ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/64809102/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats wrong with this one
on 4/24/09 21:28, Allan Streib at str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes: On St. Louis Craigslist. Thinking about looking at this weekend. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1135471504.html Could be as simple as a clogged fuel filter or tank strainer. Peter, ask him if he had recently filled it up, and if so was it his usual station or somewhere new. Also did he dump an additive or cleaner into the fuel recently? If you overuse one of the powerful ones it can push a load of crud up the pipe all at once, and the filters clog. Also when/if the fuel filters have been changed? Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or justfront?
Aha - hadn't thought of these - thanks! On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: My guess would be front wheel bearings (did they put in new races? If not, the old ones eat the new bearing very fast, BTDT). Tires are also a possibility, but that noise varies with road speed almost always. Yes, there is a bearing in each wheel carrier in the rear, and yes they can make noise. Also check for things like a bad belt or a fan rubbing on the shroud, or dead engine mounts allowing something to rub, like hoses. Peter On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:44 PM, WILTON wrote: Have you jacked up a front wheel and spun it by hand while listening closely and feeling for roughness? Nearly fifty years ago, I could confirm a bad wheel bearing in this manner, but as I said, I haven't done it a while. Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Noisy W123 bearings - how diagnose? Front AND rear or justfront? My 83 W123 300TD makes a peculiar sort of moaning/wowing noise above 45 mph that doesn't vary in pitch with the speed of the car. I had the front bearings replaced 6 months ago (both sides) but this noise sounds as if they are shot again. So here are my questions: 1) Could this be road noise from the front tires? The tires look fine, the steering wheel is solid, and there is no shimmying. . 2) Could the noise actually be coming from worn REAR wheel bearings? Are there bearings in the rear that must be replaced when worn out? This is NOT the whining noise made by a worn out rear axle 3) Any other possible sources of the noise? In an earlier experience (a different 1983 300TD), the defective bearings made their racket at low rather than high speeds and this noise was a lot more obnoxious IIRC than what I am hearing now... 4) Would it make sense to swap the front and rear tires to see if that makes a difference? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300CD (doesn't moan) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090424/d211e47b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/798c7997/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats wrong with this one
The hose going from the intake manifold to the ALDA is clogged up, undo it at the intake, ream out the intake hole, you're good to go. Or replace the hose for like $13 or something. Or check all the vac hoses, one might be buggered. --R Peter Hertzing wrote: On St. Louis Craigslist. Thinking about looking at this weekend. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1135471504.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/59779fc3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
The CARB would have a kitten if you loaded some of that stuff into a little bottle on the trunk lid and did a Mad Max on the freeway. --R Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:24:26 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: (I personally like the RFNA/UDMH combination). Red Fuming Nitric Acid and Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine. Lovely stuff! From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsymmetrical_dimethylhydrazine, UDMH is often used in hypergolic rocket fuels as a bipropellant in combination with the oxidizer nitrogen tetroxide and less frequently with RFNA (red fuming nitric acid) or liquid oxygen. UDMH is a derivative of hydrazine and is sometimes referred to as a hydrazine. As a fuel, it is described in specification MIL-D-25064. UDMH is stable and can be kept loaded in rocket fuel systems for long periods, which makes it appealing for use in many liquid rocket engines, despite its high density and cost. In some applications, such as the OMS in the Space Shuttle or maneuvering engines, monomethylhydrazine is used instead due to its slightly higher specific impulse. UDMH functions as a starter fuel to start combustion and warm the rocket engine prior to switching to kerosene. UDMH has higher stability than hydrazine, especially at elevated temperatures, and can be used as its replacement or together in a mixture. UDMH is used in many European, Russian, Indian, and Chinese rocket designs. The Titan, GSLV, and Delta rocket families use a mixture of 50% hydrazine and 50% UDMH, called Aerozine 50, in different stages. Apart from its use as rocket fuel, UDMH is a nitrogen source in metalorganic vapour phase epitaxy thin-film deposition. Safety UDMH is toxic, a carcinogen and can explode in the presence of oxidisers. It is toxic and is absorbed through the skin. During the 1980s there was concern about the levels of UDMH in various foods being a cancer risk, especially for apple juice.[1] From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRFNA, Red fuming nitric acid (RFNA) is a storable oxidizer used as a rocket propellant. It consists mainly of nitric acid (HNO3), also containing 13% dinitrogen tetroxide and 3% water. The color of the resulting red fuming nitric acid is due to the dinitrogen tetroxide, which breaks down partially to form nitrogen dioxide. White fuming nitric acid does not contain free dinitrogen tetroxide. It is usually used with an inhibitor (with various, sometimes secret, substances, including hydrogen fluoride; any such combination is called IRFNA) because nitric acid attacks most container materials. It can also be a monopropellant; with substances like ammonium nitrates dissolved in it, it can be used as the sole fuel in a rocket. It is not normally used this way however. During World War II, the German military used RFNA in some rockets. The mixtures used were called S-Stoff (96% nitric acid with 4% ferric chloride) and SV-Stoff (94% nitric acid with 6% dinitrogen tetroxide). Inhibited RFNA, used in modified SS-1 Scud missiles as an oxidizer by the Iraqi military during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, was suggested as a possible factor causing Gulf War Syndrome. However, this theory was later refuted. Compositions * IRFNA IIIa: 83.4% HNO3, 14% NO2, 2% H2O, 0.6% HF * IRFNA IV HDA: 54.3% HNO3, 44% NO2, 1% H2O, 0.7% HF * S-Stoff: 96% HNO3, 4% FeCl3 * SV-Stoff: 94% HNO3, 6% N2O4 * AK20: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4 * AK20F: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4, fluorine-based inhibitor * AK20I: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4, iodine-based inhibitor * AK20K: 80% HNO3, 20% N2O4, unknown inhibitor * AK27I: 73% HNO3, 27% N2O4, iodine-based inhibitor * AK27P: 73% HNO3, 27% N2O4, unknown inhibitor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/204c282e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
The Saturn V first stage was fueled with kerosene and LOX, that was one bad rocket. More power flowed through a 4in engine throat at full takeoff thrust than was being generated in the whole US of A at that time. Is that cool or what? And there was never a flight failure. 5 engines, 7.5M pounds of thrust. The rooshans had 20 motors on their boosters, expecting a 25% failure rate so they had backup. Some rockets were fueled by RFNA/UDMH only. Nasty stuff, but it worked. --R OK Don wrote: Not quite so loew carbon - UDMH functions as a starter fuel to start combustion and warm the rocket engine prior to switching to *kerosene*. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:24:26 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: (I personally like the RFNA/UDMH combination). Red Fuming Nitric Acid and Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine. Lovely stuff! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/16a23ff8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/4ba18b46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] top off
...'Been topping off for 59 years; I shake the car by pushing it side-to-side a bit with my hip. . Precisely. Actually, the theory is that bringing the level up too much can allow liquid fuel rather than vapor to enter the charcoal canister on gas cars. Which can bring on a check engine light, if you have one. I don't care. I fill it as full as possible and since my card-op fuel station is 4.3 miles from home, I use up about a quart getting there so the level is probably OK by then. But I still don't care, you understand. RLE ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/78a1f12f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Fuel
For a zero carbon fuel -- http://www.tecaeromex.com/ingles/peroxidoi.html On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The Saturn V first stage was fueled with kerosene and LOX, that was one bad rocket. More power flowed through a 4in engine throat at full takeoff thrust than was being generated in the whole US of A at that time. Is that cool or what? And there was never a flight failure. 5 engines, 7.5M pounds of thrust. The rooshans had 20 motors on their boosters, expecting a 25% failure rate so they had backup. Some rockets were fueled by RFNA/UDMH only. Nasty stuff, but it worked. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/ce8ebf7b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Was another engine swap car, now could this be a collector?
Experience tells me that you will never know what will be collectable in the future. Look at a car designed and marketed to the young, upcoming women on the go. And to make matters worse, the car was built on an outdated chasses in 1964, with body flex and steering geometry the made handling lame at best. But the car sold by the thousands because it happened to be the sporty car that everyone wanted at a non-sports car price, while the exact same chassis with different shaped sheet metal trim, the Maverick, languished. Then along comes Carol Shelby - who made the Mustang into the Mustang Cobra. Even he stated that handling sucked, but he could deal with it since he was only making left hand turns. The facts that the Mustang appealed to the younger crowd, it was cheap and a well known racing figure managed to make the car go fast enough to win races set history in motion. Now I wonder if some of the tuner cars developed by street racers in their early 20s to mid 30's over the last decade or so will become collectable. We do tend to collect items that are tied to our fondest memories and everything is set in place to make this happen. BTW, my first Mustang - a 1966 model with 6 cylinder engine and C4 automatic transmission - cost me $500.00 and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the car. I bought it from my Dad in 1977, who bought it for my Mother in 1973 for the same $500.00. Te car would be worth about $8,000 today. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:48 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Another engine swap car This thing will NEVER be a classic or collector car so rest easy. http://blog.webridestv.com/2009/04/22/24-hours-of-lemons-metro-gnome-on-the- loose/ RLE ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?red ir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62a mp; bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/64 809102/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2077 - Release Date: 4/23/2009 7:21 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2077 - Release Date: 4/23/2009 7:21 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Whats wrong with this one
But even if that hose is plugged, the car would start and this one doesn't. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The hose going from the intake manifold to the ALDA is clogged up, undo it at the intake, ream out the intake hole, you're good to go. Or replace the hose for like $13 or something. Or check all the vac hoses, one might be buggered. --R Peter Hertzing wrote: On St. Louis Craigslist. Thinking about looking at this weekend. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1135471504.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090424/59779fc3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
