date:20090717

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:16:20 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> Which reason do you want?
> More HP
> Newer engine design, by 20-30 years
> Parts available
> Much interchangeability with OM616 parts
> Easier to work on
> Better injectors
> Better IP
> Possibility of finding living people who know how to work on them
> Probably more, But I am gonna quit fer now

I thought the OM636 was the later design; I guess I was wrong.

We had a '64 190Dc, but I don't recall what engine it had in it.

OK, so I just looked it up in my old Chilton's:

Model  Chassis  Engine Model  Engine Type

190Dc  110.110  OM621.III 621.912

200D   110.110  OM621.VIII621.918


So it is the OM621 you want.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

I've been lucky, too; no biocide in 30 years of Dieseling.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

Would you believe I've NEVER used a biocide in a diesel car? I've never had 
an algae problem either. Of course I've "only" been dieseling full time for 
~5 years and maybe 100,000 miles now. The thing I've found handy is to run a 
full tank of fuel or two through the car every week. ;)

-Curt

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:20:59 -0500
From: Loren Faeth 
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I have never had to clean a tank after use of biocide.

Use Stanadyne Biocide. It is made for injection systems.
Follow the label instructions for "shock treatment"
carry an extra filter
Drive on

Continue to dose the fuel at the preventative treatment rate through
the summer.
Give it at lease one treatment each year when it gets hot outside.
Algae likes warm weather. It grows best like tomatoes = over 80 degrees.

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

Note the filter particle size removal specs when installing those  
filters -- some of them will pass anything smaller than 5 micron,  
which is too large.  Some years back I did some research work on  
determining why a skid loader Detroit engine failed so quickly after  
a rebuild -- turned out to be silicate dust (most likely clay  
particles) going through the filters and injection system and into  
the cylinders.  Nice layer of fine dusty stuff on the piston crowns,  
worn out cylinder walls.


I asked about the filters, since I assumed they WERE using filtered  
fuel, turned out their newer equipment had 1 micron filters and they  
were having to change them all the time due to fuel starvation.   
Their supplier was running open vents on his truck driving on gravel  
and dirt roads and filled the fuel up with dust.


A water separator with glass bowl is an excellent idea, since you can  
then see if you have water in the fuel (or slime or dirt), but if you  
have a fairly coarse filter in there, the main filter could clog  
first if you get dirty fuel.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread OK Don

Hope you have some old ones - these newer drives with tiny heads, small
platters, high density, have wimpy magnets!

  I intend to get the magnets by scrapping out some hard drives. I'm not
> worried about them not being strong enough ;)
>
> -Curt
>


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> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

2009-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond

Would you believe I've NEVER used a biocide in a diesel car? I've never had an 
algae problem either. Of course I've "only" been dieseling full time for ~5 
years and maybe 100,000 miles now. The thing I've found handy is to run a full 
tank of fuel or two through the car every week. ;)

-Curt

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:20:59 -0500
From: Loren Faeth 
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I have never had to clean a tank after use of biocide.

Use Stanadyne Biocide.  It is made for injection systems.
Follow the label instructions for "shock treatment"
carry an extra filter
Drive on

Continue to dose the fuel at the preventative treatment rate through 
the summer.
Give it at lease one treatment each year when it gets hot outside.
Algae likes warm weather.  It grows best like tomatoes = over 80 degrees.

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

Stanadyne (Roosa Master) makes IPs for all kinds of equipment.  If it 
doesn't have Bosch, a Bosch Licensee, or a Bosch knockoff, it is 
likely Stanadyne.  The only other IP maker is CAV, which appears to 
be a lot like RoosaMaster.


The GM 6.2 is not a Detriot Diesel.  It is basically a car engine. 
DDs are like 2-53, 3-53, 4-53 and of course the 8v71


Racor separator has been trumped up by the Diesel car and pickup 
folks for 30 years.  It is ok, but you still need a good filter behind it.


A Stanadyne(RoosaMaster)(John Deere) filter ahead of the standard 
filter is a good thing.  These are the rectangular, glass bowl 
filters or filter/separator units.  They are easy to install on any 
type of Diesel.  The great thing about them is that you can see what 
is in the filter.  If you can't see the filter,  you know you need to 
change it.  If you install one, put in a new filter in the OE filter 
also, then you change the see-thru as needed, and change the OE every 
5 years or so.  The see-thru filter will catch more than the OE 
filter.  I ran my 200D with this setup for years.


At 08:58 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

Loren wrote:
> Use Stanadyne Biocide.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Stanadyne makes the injection pumps on the 6.2 Detroit Diesels.

What about that swirlly filter thingie - what's the name of that
filter... Racor.
It is a water separator for diesel fuel - would it remove water and algae?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond

I've done the desktop one before. The BSOD screensaver was an attempt to do 
something different. In fact one of the previous instructors where I work used 
to use it as a "troubleshooting activity" which I thought was lame.

We've got a nice video tripod at work. I might mount a piece of wood on that in 
the center of the tarp. I like it, it'll take a lot of that weight and require 
a lot less in the way of magnets. I intend to get the magnets by scrapping out 
some hard drives. I'm not worried about them not being strong enough ;)

-Curt

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:20:08 -0400
From: dave walton 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank
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I like it, Curt. May have to use sticks of some sort to prevent
excessive bowing of top sheet and prevent magnets from being pulled
off (convert inward force to downward force)?

I came up with a nice trick to play on geeks running windows.
Particularly good for April 1st:

Do a Ctrl-PrtScn to capture their existing desktop image into the paste buffer.
Paste image into Wordpad.
Save image as BMP overwriting their existing Window's background
(usually in C:\Windows). Rename existing file first just to be nice.
Drag all icons to the lower right corner so that only a single pixel is visible.
Collapse the bottom taskbar. Move to side or top if it blends well
with existing wallpaper.

Desktop looks the same, but nothing works. All desktop icons including
taskbar have been replaced with a static image.
Your mark can use image as guide for putting icons back where they
belong once they figure it out.

-Dave Walton

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> So my office has a history of pranks, I've had a couple good ones:
>
> -Blue screen of death screensaver

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

Alas, only in the fuel delivered to the filters, not the bottom of  
the tank where it permits the growth of nasties.  Once that stuff  
starts, you must actively kill it, it won't go away on it's own!


Once you get stuff growing in the fuel, the resultant slime will plug  
anything, even the lines!


Prevention is the best course of action:  don't let the car sit for  
long periods of time with stagnant fuel in it.  Don't allow water to  
collect in the tank (i.e. keep it full of fuel to prevent damp air  
exchange as the tank heats and cools with the outside air -- the  
water in the air ends up as condensation collecting in the tank as  
the air temp drop).  Use biocide (or B100) once in a while in hat,  
damp weather -- Midwestern summers, for example.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)


Which reason do you want?
More HP
Newer engine design, by 20-30 years
Parts available
Much interchangeability with OM616 parts
Easier to work on
Better injectors
Better IP
Possibility of finding living people who know how to work on them
Probably more, But I am gonna quit fer now

At 07:32 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:55:46 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:


> Just hope it has an OM621 and not an OM636 engine.

Why?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread Jim Cathey

Reversed the f and g on his desktop keyboard.  Knowing these letters 
were involved with his login, we were able to affect his ability to 
get into the computer.


This is a bit dated now, but in college I had one of the only
personal computers in the dorm.  It was something of a shared
resource/toy, and one day I flanged up a 'face' program that
mimicked the usual ROM-BASIC interface, except that it just
acted weird.  It'd let you type in a program (or so you thought,
but when you typed RUN I forget what it did exactly, but it wasn't
what you thought.  When you typed LIST to see what was going on,
it would change the on-screen text to LSIT and then report SYNTAX
ERROR, just like you would get if that's what you'd typed into it
normally.  Most of the basic commands were intercepted to do
something a bit odd.

Eventually the victim would figure out that there must have been
a program running and type ^C to break it.  The face program had
trapped that, but printed out the same message it would as if it
had broken, and then would go into a _different_ set of antics.
When you LIST-ed it would list something, but not your program and
certainly not itself.  Something insulting like a dice-roller or
the like.  The only way out was to reset or power-cycle it.

I was particularly proud of LSIT.  The fun was seeing how many
times they'd type it before pecking it out one character at a
time and looking at it before hitting RETURN to ensure they
hadn't fat-fingered it.  As many as ten, as I recall.

Endless hours of entertainment!  Ahhh, college

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

2009-07-17 Thread Mountain Man

Loren wrote:
> Use Stanadyne Biocide.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Stanadyne makes the injection pumps on the 6.2 Detroit Diesels.

What about that swirlly filter thingie - what's the name of that
filter... Racor.
It is a water separator for diesel fuel - would it remove water and algae?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread Richard Hattaway


Our best programmer types with two fingers.  Computer genius, but never learned 
touchtyping.

Reversed the f and g on his desktop keyboard.  Knowing these letters were 
involved with his login, we were able to affect his ability to get into the 
computer.

He worked with it most of a morning.  Finally called the IT guy when he 
discovered he could log on with his laptop, but not his desktop.  That meant 
the server or the network had to be at fault.

Needless to say, the rest of the office was in stitches.  Hard not to laugh out 
loud while this is going on.

Not that I would advise anybody else to do it, but.

Richard 
Mercedesless in Salsibury

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> From: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:13 PM
> Curt Raymond wrote:
> > So my office has a history of pranks, I've had a
> couple good ones:
> 
> You remind me of the time some of the faculty at my junior
> high got in a prank war. Some male teachers, and the
> principal, had custom t-shirts made. "If God didn't intend
> for pussy to be eaten, why is it shaped like a taco?". They
> went into the Home Economics classroom, stood with their
> backs to the students, opened their blazers, and flashed
> their T-shirts at the teacher. All she could say was
> "OhMyGod" while the students said "what? what?".
> 
> Phase two. Culprits are invited to Home Ec class for a
> Jell-O tasting. One of the dishes had a layer of Palmolive
> instead of lime Jell-O.
> 
> Phase three. Empty out the Home Ec teacher's desk, take the
> drawers to the cafeteria. Mix up a 20 gallon batch of Knox
> unflavored clear gelatin, and fill the desk drawers. You
> have to stand in the refrigerator, catch what leaks through
> the seams in the drawer, and keep pouring it back into the
> drawer until it sets. Put a few misc pencils/pens inside,
> but don't set her stuff in gelatin.
> Reassemble her desk and go home.
> 
> Next time I run into one of those guys I'll ask him if the
> Home Ec teacher got revenge for the desk full of gelatin. I
> first learned of it when the principal's son told me about
> his dad's funny T-shirt.
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 


  

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Re: [MBZ] CarFax Anyone

2009-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


I have to deal with these jokers everyday, geez.

WILTON wrote:
Does it often read FULL, especially when talking to a dealer or car 
sales person?  Mine does.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Peter T. Arnold" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax Anyone


Never mind. dealer couldn't make it past my B/S detector.

Pete


Peter T. Arnold wrote:

Looking at another Dodge, last one had a bum title.

VIN #3D7KU28C93G832076

Thanks in advance,
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[MBZ] Car auction


No mine, no affiliation or interest

July 25th

http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore09jul.html

1966 DATSUN SPL311 4 cyl, 4 spd, hardtop/convertible

KENWORTH W900 T/A fire tender/water truck, DETROIT 6-71, 9 spd, side,  
rear spray, hose reel


1927 GMC pick up truck

No benz on the lot yet

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of hot....

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:02:28 -0500 "harry watkins"
 wrote:

> I did install a dual waste water system.  Black water from toilets,
> urinal  and kitchen go to the septic plant.  Grey water from sinks,
> shower, tub and  washing machine go into a holding tank and used for
> irrigation.  Lint from the washer is a problem and I may create a third
> path for it.

Connect one end of a garden hose to the drain hose, run it out a window to
where something needs to get watered/fertilized and have at it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] tool for glow plugs

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:03:13 -0700 Redghost  wrote:

> Craig,  I have the reamer.  Give me an address off list and I will  
> lend it out.


Thanks, Clay. I'll keep it in mind. Douglas was the one asking about it
now.


Craig


> 
> clay
> 
> On Jul 11, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:39:55 -0700 "Douglas"   
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Also in the past I just forced the new glow plug in and with  
> >> replacing
> >> all 5 I am looking at the reemers. Performance Products sells 2 one  
> >> for
> >> $55 and one for $169 they look the same?
> >>
> >> Is there someone on the list that has this tool for a 123 that  
> >> might let
> >> me borrow said tool.
> >
> > The owner of the independent shop I went to in Austin, Texas, said  
> > to take
> > an old glow plug, mash the part that goes into the prechamber with a
> > really big hammer until you've flattened it as much as possible, and  
> > then
> > thread that in instead of a glow plug. That will clean out the carbon
> > enough. Remove that and then put the new glow plug in.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:55:46 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:


> Just hope it has an OM621 and not an OM636 engine.

Why?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

2009-07-17 Thread dave walton

Algae only grows in water in the tank. Nothing grows in diesel. I
regularly dump a bottle of 91% Isopropyl from Walmart in the tank to
keep any water in check.

-Dave Walton

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Lee Einer wrote:
> My wife's 1980 300CD has been getting black goo in the fuel system.
> Recently, we had to replace the in line fuel filter twice on a 120 mile
> trip.
>
> What to do?
>
> I just called our local diesel repair shop. The helpful mechanic said
> that there was no way to clean the tank and that we would have to have a
> replacement fuel tank installed. LOL, I think not.
>
> How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any
> helpful advice?
> Lee
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)


Jim Cathey wrote:

What makes that vehicle a camper?  It looks like a cargo truck.


Campers sell for more than clapped-out old cargo trucks.
Voila, 'camper'!



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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)

2009-07-17 Thread Jim Cathey


What makes that vehicle a camper?  It looks like a cargo truck.


Campers sell for more than clapped-out old cargo trucks.
Voila, 'camper'!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding

2009-07-17 Thread Hendrik & Fay

Not a different planet but a different world, I tried to challenge a 
speeding ticket many years ago (120 in a 110 zone) but failed miserably. 
The magistrates where sympathetic but had to uphold the law, ended up 
costing me more and a couple of points off the license.
Kinda frustrating when you consider some of the sentences handed out for 
serious stuff, a few years back there was a case of a young bloke who 
grabbed his old man's hand gun (safely stored under bed.not) and 
shot a newspaper delivery guy in the face because he thought this fella 
had attacked a couple of his girlfriends. The newspaper guy lost an eye 
and the young idiot got a suspended sentence. Following a public outcry 
the Government appealed the sentence and the shooter got some jail time.


Hendrik

tyler wrote:
I think it has to do with how you act and how you approach the 
situation. For example, I always file a discovery request for the 
officers notes, bring signed affidavits from any passengers with their 
complete story, bring relevant photos and maps of the scene/car/etc, 
and generally act respectful and professional- and I also generally 
have a very good reason for why I was breaking the law (or else I 
wouldn't have been doing so- right?). I will also get a new haircut 
and wear a full business suit or very nice clothes. The judges are 
also often very interested in my scientific research, especially if I 
was driving somewhere related to it at the time. The cops generally 
look unprepared, unprofessional, and insincere in comparison and the 
judge can see that. Generally they don't even remember the exact 
incident and their notes don't match their testimony very well.


Twice I've gotten tickets and instead of payment I sent in a copy of 
the relevant law highlighted along with a note to explain why my 
actions were not legally in violation- and they chose to dismiss the 
case without going to trial.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:

You must live on a different planet

At 10:43 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote:

What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times
when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to
the legal minimum or removed every time.

Sincerely,
Tyler 






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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of hot....

2009-07-17 Thread harry watkins

Hmmm, never thought of dual water supply when I built my house, sure would 
be nice, hmmm maybe...  I installed a hot loop system so hot water is always 
there when the faucet in opened.


I remember being in the shower once when Carolyn started both the dishwasher 
and washer about the same time.  I got my daily workout trying to survive 
too hot or too cold.


I did install a dual waste water system.  Black water from toilets, urinal 
and kitchen go to the septic plant.  Grey water from sinks, shower, tub and 
washing machine go into a holding tank and used for irrigation.  Lint from 
the washer is a problem and I may create a third path for it.


Harry



Custom home builder I know does the dual systems for HVAC and water in 
his mcmansions.  Mostly public/private areas type of thing so that 
bedrooms are cool or heated independent of the entertaining areas. 
Kitchen and wash or toilets will not impinge on showers.  Then again, 
these are overpriced mini castles


clay



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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

2009-07-17 Thread harry watkins

I installed a bypass filter on one of my SDLs.  I teed in fore and aft of 
the regular primary filter and clamped it off.  When I noticed a loss of 
power, I removed the clamp and went on my way.  At my next opportuity I 
cleaned or replaced both filters.


I used Biocide I bought online from a boat supply store and never removed or 
cleaned the tank.  After about six months I never had problems again and 
drove it another 18 months before selling the car.


Harry 



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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of hot....

Custom home builder I know does the dual systems for HVAC and water in  
his mcmansions.  Mostly public/private areas type of thing so that  
bedrooms are cool or heated independent of the entertaining areas.   
Kitchen and wash or toilets will not impinge on showers.  Then again,  
these are overpriced mini castles


clay




On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Any other suggestions before I call in my HVAC guy?


I've seen houses with two systems.  One main one and
a smaller one to do the top.  A different way to do
zones, and potentially more efficient if running just
the small system up top is sufficient for a good part
of the year.

Or it may have just been a bonehead way to avoid doing
proper engineering.  Who's to say?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] clones

Given the state of the Seattle schools, I would guess that the "state"  
is rather incapable of providing an education of worth to the bulk of  
their constituents.  I grant there are a few who come out of the  
classroom ready for life, but it is few.  Jr. College is just daycare,  
and remedial classes are near mandatory for attendees of state  
university who come from public education.


A pair of parents providing emotional, moral and educational support  
to the child will be better than depending upon teachers to guide  
kids.  Schools are just warehouses for children until they can go on  
welfare.


clay




On Jul 12, 2009, at 7:10 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

I've always found parents were much better at raising kids than  
the

state...

And you would know that how? BTW, we are talking about educating  
them, not

raising them.

RLE








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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of Stupid looking cars


http://motivatedphotos.com/?id=27810

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel


I have never had to clean a tank after use of biocide.

Use Stanadyne Biocide.  It is made for injection systems.
Follow the label instructions for "shock treatment"
carry an extra filter
Drive on

Continue to dose the fuel at the preventative treatment rate through 
the summer.

Give it at lease one treatment each year when it gets hot outside.
Algae likes warm weather.  It grows best like tomatoes = over 80 degrees.

At 01:41 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

Algicide will kill off the goo, but you will need to remove the tank
and replace the brass screen in the bottom as well, since it will
clog repeatedly from the dead goo.

Tank isn't horrible to get out (it's behind the rear seat, not under
the trunk floor) and any DECENT diesel shop can clean it and install
the new screen.  Try a better place, goo in diesel fuel is pretty
common.  Marine service people are more familiar with the problem due
to more water in the fuel, and can help -- call a barge service if
you are anywhere near a river, etc.

Otherwise call a trucking or truck repair/building service and ask
who they use or recommend.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel


STANADYNE BIOCIDE.

It should be available at heavy equip dealers or injection shops.  It 
is made to kill algae in diesel.

Your "black goo" is algae.
Most injection pump problems are caused by algae.


At 12:45 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

My wife's 1980 300CD has been getting black goo in the fuel system.
Recently, we had to replace the in line fuel filter twice on a 120 mile
trip.

What to do?

I just called our local diesel repair shop. The helpful mechanic said
that there was no way to clean the tank and that we would have to have a
replacement fuel tank installed. LOL, I think not.

How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any
helpful advice?

Lee



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Re: [MBZ] CarFax Anyone

Does it often read FULL, especially when talking to a dealer or car sales 
person?  Mine does.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter T. Arnold" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CarFax Anyone


Never mind. dealer couldn't make it past my B/S detector.

Pete


Peter T. Arnold wrote:

Looking at another Dodge, last one had a bum title.

VIN #3D7KU28C93G832076

Thanks in advance,
--
Pete Arnold 32°

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

2009-07-17 Thread ernest breakfield

probably not so helpful with Algae, but depending on what exactly the 
goo is, it might not hurt to run several tanks full of straight 
BioDiesel through it to help clean out the fuel lines after you have a 
different (read: competent) mechanic clean out the tank. of course 
anything cleaned out of the fuel lines will likely wind up downstream in 
the filters in fairly short order, but that's what filters are for. 
basically you'll break the accumulated grunge loose and flush it down to 
the filters when you're *expecting* to deal with it instead of having 
the grunge showing up randomly later on.



cheers!
e



How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any
helpful advice? 

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Re: [MBZ] CarFax Anyone

2009-07-17 Thread Peter T. Arnold


Never mind. dealer couldn't make it past my B/S detector.

Pete


Peter T. Arnold wrote:

Looking at another Dodge, last one had a bum title.

VIN #3D7KU28C93G832076

Thanks in advance,
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mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway

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Re: [MBZ] tool for glow plugs

Craig,  I have the reamer.  Give me an address off list and I will  
lend it out.


clay

On Jul 11, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:39:55 -0700 "Douglas"   
wrote:


Also in the past I just forced the new glow plug in and with  
replacing
all 5 I am looking at the reemers. Performance Products sells 2 one  
for

$55 and one for $169 they look the same?

Is there someone on the list that has this tool for a 123 that  
might let

me borrow said tool.


The owner of the independent shop I went to in Austin, Texas, said  
to take

an old glow plug, mash the part that goes into the prechamber with a
really big hammer until you've flattened it as much as possible, and  
then

thread that in instead of a glow plug. That will clean out the carbon
enough. Remove that and then put the new glow plug in.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel


Lee Einer wrote:


How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any
helpful advice?


Ah, yes, I forgot the 'helpful advice' part.

1. empty tank.
2. remove tank.
3. remove float/level sensor and clean it.
4. pressure wash inside of tank.
5. dry tank.
6. reassemble.

Possible extra step:

0. pour in algaecide and shake the car thoroughly, let sit overnight.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel


Peter Frederick wrote:
Algicide will kill off the goo, but you will need to remove the tank and 
replace the brass screen in the bottom as well, since it will clog 
repeatedly from the dead goo.


And scrubbing the dead goo out of the tank is something the mechanic did not 
find appealing, nor the prospect of getting negative feedback if he missed some 
goo and the customer got stranded with a plugged filter, so he said "can't 
clean, must replace". Understandable, but probably not optimal if the customer 
doesn't want to pay for a new tank.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

Algicide will kill off the goo, but you will need to remove the tank  
and replace the brass screen in the bottom as well, since it will  
clog repeatedly from the dead goo.


Tank isn't horrible to get out (it's behind the rear seat, not under  
the trunk floor) and any DECENT diesel shop can clean it and install  
the new screen.  Try a better place, goo in diesel fuel is pretty  
common.  Marine service people are more familiar with the problem due  
to more water in the fuel, and can help -- call a barge service if  
you are anywhere near a river, etc.


Otherwise call a trucking or truck repair/building service and ask  
who they use or recommend.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Popping sound while turning, '02 Ford Focus


Yeah, BTDT.

An assembly is warrented at that milage, as the shocks probably  
aren't much good anymore.  I've had a spring compressor come off a  
strut while changing the shock, I do NOT recommend this ( I was  
lucky, I suppose, as I ALWAYS keep body parts away from potential  
pinch points -- the upper housing bounced off the ceiling and hit me  
in the head rather than breaking my neck)


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread dave walton

I like it, Curt. May have to use sticks of some sort to prevent
excessive bowing of top sheet and prevent magnets from being pulled
off (convert inward force to downward force)?

I came up with a nice trick to play on geeks running windows.
Particularly good for April 1st:

Do a Ctrl-PrtScn to capture their existing desktop image into the paste buffer.
Paste image into Wordpad.
Save image as BMP overwriting their existing Window's background
(usually in C:\Windows). Rename existing file first just to be nice.
Drag all icons to the lower right corner so that only a single pixel is visible.
Collapse the bottom taskbar. Move to side or top if it blends well
with existing wallpaper.

Desktop looks the same, but nothing works. All desktop icons including
taskbar have been replaced with a static image.
Your mark can use image as guide for putting icons back where they
belong once they figure it out.

-Dave Walton


On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> So my office has a history of pranks, I've had a couple good ones:
>
> -Blue screen of death screensaver
> -You know those keys you get in the mail from car dealerships (you may 
> already be a winner)? I put them on a coworker's cubicle floor for about 6 
> months, maybe 2 dozen of them. "Where do these keys keep coming from?"
> -Random telephone in the mailbox
>
> Anyway I've had what I think is one of my best ideas ever but I need to run 
> it by somebody to check for problems.
>
> I've been thinking of filling a cubicle with paper something like this: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhZgoOCxlpI
> but that seems like:
> A. A huge amount of work for setup
> and
> B. Huge cleanup
>
> So heres the idea, I'm going to get a tarp or sheet or something, and pre-cut 
> it to the size of a cubicle. Then hang it in the cube about 3" from the top, 
> then cover with crumpled newspaper (I'm thinking 1 Sunday paper should cover 
> it). The hanging of the tarp will be accomplished by straps with magnets on 
> the end (attached to the top of the cube wall which has a metal cap) covered 
> with newspaper.
> The door will be a sheet of cardboard covered with newspaper topped with 
> plastic wrap to simulate what you'd do to keep the paper all in the cube.
> Cleanup is WAY easier because of the lack of paper...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Curt
>
> Yeah I know, crazy right?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank


Curt Raymond wrote:

So my office has a history of pranks, I've had a couple good ones:


You remind me of the time some of the faculty at my junior high got in a prank 
war. Some male teachers, and the principal, had custom t-shirts made. "If God 
didn't intend for pussy to be eaten, why is it shaped like a taco?". They went 
into the Home Economics classroom, stood with their backs to the students, 
opened their blazers, and flashed their T-shirts at the teacher. All she could 
say was "OhMyGod" while the students said "what? what?".


Phase two. Culprits are invited to Home Ec class for a Jell-O tasting. One of 
the dishes had a layer of Palmolive instead of lime Jell-O.


Phase three. Empty out the Home Ec teacher's desk, take the drawers to the 
cafeteria. Mix up a 20 gallon batch of Knox unflavored clear gelatin, and fill 
the desk drawers. You have to stand in the refrigerator, catch what leaks 
through the seams in the drawer, and keep pouring it back into the drawer until 
it sets. Put a few misc pencils/pens inside, but don't set her stuff in gelatin.

Reassemble her desk and go home.

Next time I run into one of those guys I'll ask him if the Home Ec teacher got 
revenge for the desk full of gelatin. I first learned of it when the principal's 
son told me about his dad's funny T-shirt.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread Frederick W Moir


Curt.
Are you some kind of Luke clone?
He is the prank-master at Teradyne.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesels klatta but they don't fall down. (often)

At 01:49 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

So my office has a history of pranks, I've had a couple good ones:

-Blue screen of death screensaver
-You know those keys you get in the mail from car dealerships (you 
may already be a winner)? I put them on a coworker's cubicle floor 
for about 6 months, maybe 2 dozen of them. "Where do these keys keep 
coming from?"

-Random telephone in the mailbox
Anyway I've had what I think is one of my best ideas ever but I need 
to run it by somebody to check for problems.
I've been thinking of filling a cubicle with paper something like 
this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhZgoOCxlpI

but that seems like:
A. A huge amount of work for setup
and
B. Huge cleanup
So heres the idea, I'm going to get a tarp or sheet or something, 
and pre-cut it to the size of a cubicle. Then hang it in the cube 
about 3" from the top, then cover with crumpled newspaper (I'm 
thinking 1 Sunday paper should cover it). The hanging of the tarp 
will be accomplished by straps with magnets on the end (attached to 
the top of the cube wall which has a metal cap) covered with newspaper.
The door will be a sheet of cardboard covered with newspaper topped 
with plastic wrap to simulate what you'd do to keep the paper all in the cube.

Cleanup is WAY easier because of the lack of paper...
Thoughts?
Curt
Yeah I know, crazy right?



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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Car Identification

So, from what I'm seeing on oil filters on similar engines of that time, oil 
can't drain DOWN from your filter with engine off, can it?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Bigham" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 
please stand up? Car Identification

Hello Frederick and Wilton

Frederick, you may have identified the real problem.  The tensioner is 
tensioned by oil pressure and restrained from total relaxation by a 
ratchet mechanism.  I have read to overhaul timing components, probably 
replace chain, between 150,000 miles and 200,000 miles.  I have 156,000 
miles.  cThanks.

Wilton, The car is 1983 230E, a 123 Chassis with Engine 102.980.  It's a 
rest of world model not imported to or sold in the States by Daimler-Benz. 
An individual imported this one after taking delivery in Stuttgart and 
driving around Europe for a couple of years.   Anything you can tell me or 
suggest is helpful.

Best regards to all

Robert

From: Frederick W Moir 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
please stand up? Time lag

Hi, All.
When I picked up my '85 190E, there was the distinct possibility that
the very worn chain would fly off the worn sprocket with unhappy
results. The oil pressure took almost 20 secs. to peg the gauge.
Newchain and sprocket, cleaned out the Tensioner. and it ran very
well, with 2-3 second oil pressure rise, until the trans. died, twice.
Check your chain?
Also used a Rusty approved filter, many after-market filters are sh,
um er poor.
(Dare I say M1?)
YMMV
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

Hello Wilton; I'm back !
It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash
gauge.   During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and
clicking noises.

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
please stand up? Time lag

BTW, remind me what car this is.  I'll try to look up some stuff.
Oh, BTW, again, I'm NOT an OIL system EXPERT.

Wilton

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[MBZ] OT: Office prank

2009-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond

So my office has a history of pranks, I've had a couple good ones:

-Blue screen of death screensaver
-You know those keys you get in the mail from car dealerships (you may already
be a winner)? I put them on a coworker's cubicle floor for about 6 months,
maybe 2 dozen of them. "Where do these keys keep coming from?"
-Random telephone in the mailbox

Anyway I've had what I think is one of my best ideas ever but I need to run it
by somebody to check for problems.

I've been thinking of filling a cubicle with paper something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhZgoOCxlpI
but that seems like:
A. A huge amount of work for setup
and
B. Huge cleanup

So heres the idea, I'm going to get a tarp or sheet or something, and pre-cut
it to the size of a cubicle. Then hang it in the cube about 3" from the top,
then cover with crumpled newspaper (I'm thinking 1 Sunday paper should cover
it). The hanging of the tarp will be accomplished by straps with magnets on the
end (attached to the top of the cube wall which has a metal cap) covered with
newspaper.
The door will be a sheet of cardboard covered with newspaper topped with
plastic wrap to simulate what you'd do to keep the paper all in the cube.
Cleanup is WAY easier because of the lack of paper...

Thoughts?

-Curt

Yeah I know, crazy right?

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Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel

2009-07-17 Thread Lee Einer

My wife's 1980 300CD has been getting black goo in the fuel system.
Recently, we had to replace the in line fuel filter twice on a 120 mile
trip.

What to do?

I just called our local diesel repair shop. The helpful mechanic said
that there was no way to clean the tank and that we would have to have a
replacement fuel tank installed. LOL, I think not.

How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any
helpful advice?

Lee



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Re: [MBZ] 102 engine oiling, time lag, filters, noises, whatever

3 to 4 seconds for mine this morning.  Timing chain on my '91 350SDL was 
noisy coupla months ago.  Replaced it ($500) as precaution; nice and quiet 
now; had been 102 kmi since previous (original) one broke years ago at 89 
kmi; broken chain can be very catastrophic; I was lucky at only $2800 when 
it broke.


Has your chain stretch guides, etc., been checked?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Bigham" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 102 engine oiling, time lag, filters, noises, whatever




Hello Wilton, Curt, Tyler, and any lurkers

Thank all of you for your interest.

Wilton, your time lag seems like mine.   You don't apparently have noises, 
and I do.  The noises are not big except after a real road trip - it seems 
as if things really drain dry after a stop when the oil is as hot as it 
gets on the highway.


My oil filter has a long bolt through the middle with no pipe, no hole, no 
spear, and no o-rings.  Bolt has threads on the bottom and accepts a 
sealing washer on the top.  The filter housing drains essentially dry when 
filter removed.


Curt - the noises go away when the oil pressure comes up, for which Gott 
sie Dank.


Tyler - I hope to avoid an experience like yours.  I'm sure you understand 
why.  But I do have a spare engine that's supposed to be good with 106K 
miles on it.


I have read that one ought to replace the timing components "somewhere 
between 150,000 miles and 200,000 miles."  I suppose I ought to overhaul 
the timing components with my 156,000 miles and strange noises.  As best I 
can tell, if the timing chain lets go, I'm likely to need that spare 
engine.


Best regards to all

Robert


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:46:16 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
please stand up? Time lag

Just started my '87 300D for first time today; 28 hours since I shut it 
down

yesterday; 'best I could tell, it took about 4 seconds for oil pressure to
go to 3 bar after start and at idle.  I'll try that and the '91 350SDL 
again

tomorrow.  'Think this has been mentioned before - if your oil filter
canister is the type with the small pipe down through the middle of the
filter, next time you change oil and filter, be sure to put new little
O-rings (2 on mine) on that center pipe and make sure the little hole in 
the

side of the pipe near the top of the pipe is clear and air/oil can flow
freely through the little hole and down the pipe.

Wilton



From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
please stand up? Time lag



Do the noises go away as soon as the pressure comes up?

When you first described the problem I figured it was just normal, my 240D 
seems slow but on my car its more like 2-3 seconds with no real scary 
noises, 5 seconds with noises is wrong.


I don't have any 102 engine experience per-say and apparently the oil 
filter arrangement is different than the OM6xx since on those the filter 
cap has a big spear down through the filter. The spear has 2 rubber 
o-rings and when they get old and hard the pressure is slow to rise. If 
you didn't absolutely know the o-rings weren't there I'd still give a 
check for them, wipe down the spear thing (assuming your car has one) and 
look for grooves near the last 1/4 of the spear, there should be o rings 
on them. The o rings do not come with the oil filter, you have to order 
them separately.


-Curt
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:52:36 -0700
From: tyler 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
please stand up? Time lag

I had an M110 powered car that made noises like that once. I got my
stethoscope out to see where the noise was coming from, and revved it a
little bit to make the noise louder. Suddenly the motor stopped dead
from 2,000 rpm and a few pounds of aluminum chunks fell onto the ground
under the engine. I sold the car for $200 (twice what I paid) and never
found out what it was... That was my first and last gasoline powered
Mercedes.

Tyler



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Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding

2009-07-17 Thread tyler

I think it has to do with how you act and how you approach the 
situation. For example, I always file a discovery request for the 
officers notes, bring signed affidavits from any passengers with their 
complete story, bring relevant photos and maps of the scene/car/etc, and 
generally act respectful and professional- and I also generally have a 
very good reason for why I was breaking the law (or else I wouldn't have 
been doing so- right?). I will also get a new haircut and wear a full 
business suit or very nice clothes. The judges are also often very 
interested in my scientific research, especially if I was driving 
somewhere related to it at the time. The cops generally look unprepared, 
unprofessional, and insincere in comparison and the judge can see that. 
Generally they don't even remember the exact incident and their notes 
don't match their testimony very well.


Twice I've gotten tickets and instead of payment I sent in a copy of the 
relevant law highlighted along with a note to explain why my actions 
were not legally in violation- and they chose to dismiss the case 
without going to trial.


Tyler

Loren Faeth wrote:

You must live on a different planet

At 10:43 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote:

What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times
when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to
the legal minimum or removed every time.

Sincerely,
Tyler 


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Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3


Robert Bigham wrote:


Fuel had nothing to do with my problem.



Sometimes it pays to shut off radio/blowers/etc and listen for the fuel pump.
If the pump is humming along for a while after the engine stops, look elsewhere.

On my 16V, it's quite audible at rest, but not with the car moving. The fuel 
rarely cuts out if I turn the key on, wait until I hear the pump stop, and then 
start the engine. (but that's for a problem in the relay's safety circuitry)
I suppose I should tear my relay apart, try to fix it, and plan on calling Rusty 
if I botch it.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)

It would make a good starting place for a replica of the 50s 300SL 
factory race car transporter.

Just hope it has an OM621 and not an OM636 engine.

At 11:28 AM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

Frederick W Moir wrote:


1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)


Rolf could have a spare! (actually, I prefer the one Rolf has to this one)
http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/1274334179.html

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Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3

2009-07-17 Thread Robert Bigham

Hello all

I had a similar-sounding problem with my 1983 230E car with 102.980 engine.  
Would be running fine, then just stop.  After a wait it would start up and go 
on like nothing ever happened.

Problem was finally (after several months) traced to the connector at the 
distributor end of the green wire.  It was breaking up and would break the 
circuit at odd times.  Repaired connector with Devcon 5 and so far so good.

Fuel had nothing to do with my problem.

Good luck

Robert


>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:35:52 -0400
>From: Mitch Haley 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Message-ID: <4a5f9d38.6060...@voyager.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hursley wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am trying to seek your wisdom on my '93 190E2.3 car.  The battery is good 
>> as it register 12.8V before starting and 14.4V while running.  I just 
>> replace the tension pulley about a month ago and belt about a year ago.
>> 
>> The problem is while driving, the engine mysteriously shut off by itself. 
>
>On my 1986 2.3-16, the fuel pump relay decides the engine isn't running and 
>shuts the fuel off. Since it's a manual trans, the engine keeps spinning and 
>the 
>alternator keeps charging, but the car slows down. I shut off the ignition for 
>five seconds, turn it back on and proceed along my merry way (until it happens 
>again). If that's the trouble, a pump relay for your car is about half the 
>price 
>of a pump relay for my car, but still around $100. (Make that $137)
>http://buymbparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1611020&itempk=77553&mfr=Kaehler&weight=0.27
>
>Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)


Allan Streib wrote:

What makes that vehicle a camper?  It looks like a cargo truck.  No windows in the 
"camper"/cargo area.

Maybe he means it "could be" a camper?


Or it's a cargo van that somebody already stuck a bed in.
Fortunately, it only needs to have the engine, body and frame replaced or 
repaired according to the seller.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 102 engine oiling, time lag, filters, noises, whatever

M102 has a single row chain.  You should measure chain stretch, at 
least roughly.  It may or may not need to be replaced.

If you nee a chain, I  have a new chain and tensioner that I will 
make you a deal on.  Ended up selling the car before I got the new chain in.

Are you using dino oil or M1?  M1 might quiet things down some.

As was cited before, be sure to use Knecht or Hengst filters.  An 
inferior filter could allow oil to drain out, where the OE filter might not.
Your filter is not much bigger than the oil filter on a BMW /5 
motorcycle engine, so it does not hold a lot of oil.

At 11:36 AM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

Hello Wilton, Curt, Tyler, and any lurkers

Thank all of you for your interest.

Wilton, your time lag seems like mine.   You don't apparently have 
noises, and I do.  The noises are not big except after a real road 
trip - it seems as if things really drain dry after a stop when the 
oil is as hot as it gets on the highway.

My oil filter has a long bolt through the middle with no pipe, no 
hole, no spear, and no o-rings.  Bolt has threads on the bottom and 
accepts a sealing washer on the top.  The filter housing drains 
essentially dry when filter removed.

Curt - the noises go away when the oil pressure comes up, for which 
Gott sie Dank.

Tyler - I hope to avoid an experience like yours.  I'm sure you 
understand why.  But I do have a spare engine that's supposed to be 
good with 106K miles on it.

I have read that one ought to replace the timing components 
"somewhere between 150,000 miles and 200,000 miles."  I suppose I 
ought to overhaul the timing components with my 156,000 miles and 
strange noises.  As best I can tell, if the timing chain lets go, 
I'm likely to need that spare engine.

Best regards to all

Robert

>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:46:16 -0400
>From: "WILTON" 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag
>
>Just started my '87 300D for first time today; 28 hours since I 
shut it down

>yesterday; 'best I could tell, it took about 4 seconds for oil pressure to
>go to 3 bar after start and at idle.  I'll try that and the '91 
350SDL again

>tomorrow.  'Think this has been mentioned before - if your oil filter
>canister is the type with the small pipe down through the middle of the
>filter, next time you change oil and filter, be sure to put new little
>O-rings (2 on mine) on that center pipe and make sure the little 
hole in the

>side of the pipe near the top of the pipe is clear and air/oil can flow
>freely through the little hole and down the pipe.
>
>Wilton

>From: Curt Raymond 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag

>Do the noises go away as soon as the pressure comes up?
>
>When you first described the problem I figured it was just normal, 
my 240D seems slow but on my car its more like 2-3 seconds with no 
real scary noises, 5 seconds with noises is wrong.

>
>I don't have any 102 engine experience per-say and apparently the 
oil filter arrangement is different than the OM6xx since on those 
the filter cap has a big spear down through the filter. The spear 
has 2 rubber o-rings and when they get old and hard the pressure is 
slow to rise. If you didn't absolutely know the o-rings weren't 
there I'd still give a check for them, wipe down the spear thing 
(assuming your car has one) and look for grooves near the last 1/4 
of the spear, there should be o rings on them. The o rings do not 
come with the oil filter, you have to order them separately.

>
>-Curt
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:52:36 -0700
>From: tyler 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag
>
>I had an M110 powered car that made noises like that once. I got my
>stethoscope out to see where the noise was coming from, and revved it a
>little bit to make the noise louder. Suddenly the motor stopped dead
>from 2,000 rpm and a few pounds of aluminum chunks fell onto the ground
>under the engine. I sold the car for $200 (twice what I paid) and never
>found out what it was... That was my first and last gasoline powered
>Mercedes.
>
>Tyler

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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)

2009-07-17 Thread Allan Streib

What makes that vehicle a camper?  It looks like a cargo truck.  No windows in 
the "camper"/cargo area.

Maybe he means it "could be" a camper?

Allan

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:28 -0400, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Frederick W Moir wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)
> 
> Rolf could have a spare! (actually, I prefer the one Rolf has to this
> one)
> http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/1274334179.html
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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Car Identification

2009-07-17 Thread Robert Bigham

Hello Frederick and Wilton

Frederick, you may have identified the real problem.  The tensioner is 
tensioned by oil pressure and restrained from total relaxation by a ratchet 
mechanism.  I have read to overhaul timing components, probably replace chain, 
between 150,000 miles and 200,000 miles.  I have 156,000 miles.  cThanks.

Wilton, The car is 1983 230E, a 123 Chassis with Engine 102.980.  It's a rest 
of world model not imported to or sold in the States by Daimler-Benz.  An 
individual imported this one after taking delivery in Stuttgart and driving 
around Europe for a couple of years.   Anything you can tell me or suggest is 
helpful.

Best regards to all

Robert 

>From: Frederick W Moir 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag
>
>Hi, All.
>When I picked up my '85 190E, there was the distinct possibility that 
>the very worn chain would fly off the worn sprocket with unhappy 
>results. The oil pressure took almost 20 secs. to peg the gauge. 
>Newchain and sprocket, cleaned out the Tensioner. and it ran very 
>well, with 2-3 second oil pressure rise, until the trans. died, twice.
>Check your chain?
>Also used a Rusty approved filter, many after-market filters are sh, 
>um er poor.
>(Dare I say M1?)
>YMMV
>Fred Moir
>Lynn MA
>Diesel preferred.
>
>>Hello Wilton; I'm back !
>>It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from
>>the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash
>>gauge.   During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and
>>clicking noises.
>
>
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0400
>From: "WILTON" 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag
>
>BTW, remind me what car this is.  I'll try to look up some stuff.
>Oh, BTW, again, I'm NOT an OIL system EXPERT.
>
>Wilton
>


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Re: [MBZ] 102 engine oiling, time lag, filters, noises, whatever

2009-07-17 Thread Robert Bigham


Hello Wilton, Curt, Tyler, and any lurkers

Thank all of you for your interest.

Wilton, your time lag seems like mine.   You don't apparently have noises, and 
I do.  The noises are not big except after a real road trip - it seems as if 
things really drain dry after a stop when the oil is as hot as it gets on the 
highway. 

My oil filter has a long bolt through the middle with no pipe, no hole, no 
spear, and no o-rings.  Bolt has threads on the bottom and accepts a sealing 
washer on the top.  The filter housing drains essentially dry when filter 
removed. 

Curt - the noises go away when the oil pressure comes up, for which Gott sie 
Dank.

Tyler - I hope to avoid an experience like yours.  I'm sure you understand why. 
 But I do have a spare engine that's supposed to be good with 106K miles on it.

I have read that one ought to replace the timing components "somewhere between 
150,000 miles and 200,000 miles."  I suppose I ought to overhaul the timing 
components with my 156,000 miles and strange noises.  As best I can tell, if 
the timing chain lets go, I'm likely to need that spare engine.   

Best regards to all

Robert 

>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:46:16 -0400
>From: "WILTON" 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag
>
>Just started my '87 300D for first time today; 28 hours since I shut it down 
>yesterday; 'best I could tell, it took about 4 seconds for oil pressure to 
>go to 3 bar after start and at idle.  I'll try that and the '91 350SDL again 
>tomorrow.  'Think this has been mentioned before - if your oil filter 
>canister is the type with the small pipe down through the middle of the 
>filter, next time you change oil and filter, be sure to put new little 
>O-rings (2 on mine) on that center pipe and make sure the little hole in the 
>side of the pipe near the top of the pipe is clear and air/oil can flow 
>freely through the little hole and down the pipe.
>
>Wilton

>From: Curt Raymond 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag

>Do the noises go away as soon as the pressure comes up?
>
>When you first described the problem I figured it was just normal, my 240D 
>seems slow but on my car its more like 2-3 seconds with no real scary noises, 
>5 seconds with noises is wrong.
>
>I don't have any 102 engine experience per-say and apparently the oil filter 
>arrangement is different than the OM6xx since on those the filter cap has a 
>big spear down through the filter. The spear has 2 rubber o-rings and when 
>they get old and hard the pressure is slow to rise. If you didn't absolutely 
>know the o-rings weren't there I'd still give a check for them, wipe down the 
>spear thing (assuming your car has one) and look for grooves near the last 1/4 
>of the spear, there should be o rings on them. The o rings do not come with 
>the oil filter, you have to order them separately.
>
>-Curt
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:52:36 -0700
>From: tyler 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>   please stand up? Time lag
>
>I had an M110 powered car that made noises like that once. I got my 
>stethoscope out to see where the noise was coming from, and revved it a 
>little bit to make the noise louder. Suddenly the motor stopped dead 
>from 2,000 rpm and a few pounds of aluminum chunks fell onto the ground 
>under the engine. I sold the car for $200 (twice what I paid) and never 
>found out what it was... That was my first and last gasoline powered 
>Mercedes.
>
>Tyler


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Popping sound while turning, '02 Ford Focus


Allan Streib wrote:

For those who were interested, this turned out to be a broken coil
spring on the right strut.


When my Taurus did that, it went more like "scrape, scrape, hiss" as the end 
if the spring went through the sidewall of my new RF tire. A couple of months 
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with over 200,000 miles on the original front springs.


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Re: [MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)


Frederick W Moir wrote:



1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)


Rolf could have a spare! (actually, I prefer the one Rolf has to this one)
http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/1274334179.html

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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47


At 10:25 AM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

work.  I know, everyone says it has to be a bad hazard switch.  It was not.


It can happen, but 90% it's the switch.  Just playin' the odds.


Never say never



I have a new hazard switch for sale if anyone wants a spare.


And you don't?


Nope


Marshall also said the Klima relay never fails!  I have had several 
bad Klima relays.


They fail.  Everything fails.  Some things more than others.


Never say never



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Popping sound while turning, '02 Ford Focus

2009-07-17 Thread Allan Streib

For those who were interested, this turned out to be a broken coil
spring on the right strut.

Struts were original and at 115K miles, decided to just put in new
"quick struts" on both sides (strut and spring assembly) rather than try
to replace the spring by itself.

Allan



On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:06 -0400, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
> Drove it today, it is like a loud clicking when turning, basically
> silent going straight ahead but also will click or pop on a bump.
>
> Allan
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:29 -0400, "Mitch Haley"
>  wrote:
> > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > > If it was a cv joint, it would be a clank clank clank sound while
> > > turning, regardless of bump.
> >
> > That's what an outer front CV joint sounds like. Klatta, klatta,
> > klatta. Inners are more likely to show up as vibration instead of
> > noise, and have little to do with steering wheel position. 90% of
> > the time the outers fail first.
> >
> > Mitch.
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[MBZ] 1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)

2009-07-17 Thread Frederick W Moir




1958 Mercedes diesel camper for restoration - $1800 (Exeter , N.H.)

Posting I.D. 1274334179

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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47

2009-07-17 Thread Jim Cathey

work.  I know, everyone says it has to be a bad hazard switch.  It was 
not.


It can happen, but 90% it's the switch.  Just playin' the odds.


I have a new hazard switch for sale if anyone wants a spare.


And you don't?

Marshall also said the Klima relay never fails!  I have had several 
bad Klima relays.


They fail.  Everything fails.  Some things more than others.

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Re: [MBZ] SPAM-LOW: Re: Relay 201 821 00 47

2009-07-17 Thread Rusty Cullens


$235.75, it only fits the 16V

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47



Rusty Cullens wrote:

I have it for $66.00


That's about 1/3 less than Gary's internet price.
How much for a 2.3-16 fuel pump relay?
Would one from a 2.3-8 or a 2.6 substitute, just with a lower rev limiter?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47


Rusty Cullens wrote:

I have it for $66.00


That's about 1/3 less than Gary's internet price.
How much for a 2.3-16 fuel pump relay?
Would one from a 2.3-8 or a 2.6 substitute, just with a lower rev limiter?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] SPAM-LOW: Re: Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

2009-07-17 Thread Rusty Cullens

He is looking for one that doesn't affix to the dash just protects it from 
the sun, we only carry the Coverlay's.


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Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers



Have you called Rusty?  I am pretty sure he does carry those.

David Bruckmann wrote:

Hi gang,

Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers? Rusty doesn't 
seem to carry them. I'm trying to protect a good dash on the W107 and 
W108. On the W123 it's about hiding the ginsu knife job.


Any recs or experience good/bad would be appreciated.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

2009-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


he used to, oh well

David Bruckmann wrote:

I asked him. He apparently does not carry them.


  

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Have you called Rusty?  I am pretty sure he does carry those.

David Bruckmann wrote:


Hi gang,

Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers? Rusty doesn't seem to 
carry them. I'm trying to protect a good dash on the W107 and W108. On the W123 
it's about hiding the ginsu knife job.

Any recs or experience good/bad would be appreciated.

D.

  


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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47

2009-07-17 Thread Rusty Cullens


I have it for $66.00

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47


I'd guess the original relay has a 124 number  It appears to be 
used from 1986 to the 201s.  Maybe more.  Is anyone able to look up a 
current price?


At 09:16 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote:
Anybody have a spare relay for a 124?  It is part #  201 821 00 
47.  It lives behind the fuse box, under the cover that is under the 
fusebox cover.  (6 Phillips screws)  It is the shorter of the two 
big relays in there.  Anyone near a upull with 124s?




Loren Faeth

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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47

Thanks.  Anybody got a used one?

You are right Craig.  Contrary to the list wisdom, I have a bad 
flasher.  Pulled it out, and substituted the one from my 300D, and 
the turn signals work.  I know, everyone says it has to be a bad 
hazard switch.  It was not.  I have a new hazard switch for sale if 
anyone wants a spare.  Marshall also said the Klima relay never 
fails!  I have had several bad Klima relays.

I may try to take the cover off and see what the problem is.  I'd 
still like to buy a used relay.

At 08:36 AM 7/17/2009, you wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:16:03 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> Anybody have a spare relay for a 124?  It is part #  201 821 00
> 47.  It lives behind the fuse box, under the cover that is under the
> fusebox cover.  (6 Phillips screws)  It is the shorter of the two big
> relays in there.  Anyone near a upull with 124s?

I did a part number search on Rusty's website:

Catalog Description List Price  Your Price

   Relay $139.00 $91.40

Multi-function relay used for blinker : hazard warning : heated rear
window : wiper .;

Can you take it apart and fix it? If it's already broken, you can't make
it worse. BTW, it sounds like there is more than one relay in the box.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:16:03 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> Anybody have a spare relay for a 124?  It is part #  201 821 00 
> 47.  It lives behind the fuse box, under the cover that is under the 
> fusebox cover.  (6 Phillips screws)  It is the shorter of the two big 
> relays in there.  Anyone near a upull with 124s?

I did a part number search on Rusty's website:


Catalog Description List Price  Your Price

   Relay $139.00 $91.40


Multi-function relay used for blinker : hazard warning : heated rear
window : wiper .;



Can you take it apart and fix it? If it's already broken, you can't make
it worse. BTW, it sounds like there is more than one relay in the box.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding