Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I verified this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, identify the production date of the part. Since at its core it is a nitrogen-filled bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan of 5 years before enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its function. That gas escapes whether or not the device is in use. I don't feel like handing over nearly $2k for something that might have been sitting on a shelf for ten years losing its gas charge. That sounds kind of fishy. If that were so, wouldn't the bladder lose its nitrogen and need to be replaced every five years on the car as well? And wouldn't the same be true of the nitrogen spheres on the Hydramat cars, as well as on Citroens? Those don't need to be replaced on any set schedule, just when they spring a leak. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Try this
I don't know Roger, where all a bit gun shy now. There is no near naked ladies jumping at us, is there? Hendrik who is still dreaming of skydiving Godesses landing all over the place relng...@aol.com wrote: The Grimsel Pass is in Switzerland. http://www.gamaniak.com/video/3625 RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
Maybe a 1k car for someone looking to strip it apart but as far as one of the best driving machines ever you would be hard pressed to find better. Far as the reverse goes, may be it needs new shifter bushings or some new ATF. Hendrik stuck with a stoneage 300TE Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: That is not a good deal. Its about a 1k car. Allan Streib wrote: http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/1573685028.html Would the reverse only works sometimes likely be something easy or bad news? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
As to the replacement interval, the MB service documentation reads: The gas filling pressure decreases during operation, the time factor is evaluated higher than the mileage. Under normal conditions, the minimum pressure is attained after approx. 2 to 3 years or 80 000 to 120 000 km. Under extreme climatic conditions or in countries with very high outside temperatures, the gas pressure may decrease faster under given operating conditions, e.g. repeated slow bumper to bumper driving. Citroen spheres (and I have had a few) should be checked annually for pressure, and I have never seen a sphere last more than five years without needing a recharge. Yes, you can run them for ten years until they are rock hard and pulverise your bushings and piston seals, and many people do so. Same for the self-levelling spheres on an MB. They seep gas over time, but it's not usually until they are very hard that people replace them. Far too often I've seen a TD or SEL/SEC with SLS go bouncing past me, bouncing like a lowered (or even stock, for that matter!) Honda Civic. People simply don't understand the damage they are doing by deferring replacement of the spheres. Furthermore, many mechanics have no understanding of how the MB system works either. They talk people into replacing the struts and spheres and everything else when the problem is usually just the spheres, and often the static pressure valve on the levelling controller, for which MB sells a convenient rebuild kit. A saggy TD needs the valve rebuilt. A bouncy TD needs spheres, and probably the valve rebuild because the static and overpressure valves take a beating from the failed spheres. D. Alex Chamberlain wrote: That sounds kind of fishy. If that were so, wouldn't the bladder lose its nitrogen and need to be replaced every five years on the car as well? And wouldn't the same be true of the nitrogen spheres on the Hydramat cars, as well as on Citroens? Those don't need to be replaced on any set schedule, just when they spring a leak. Alex -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (200,000km) 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) Blauer Engel 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (208,000km) Lottie 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (424,000 km) Brown Betty Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O/T Knives
I've somehow lost my favored SW pocket knife, I'm looking to replace it with another high quality knife. I've looked at Gerber and SW. They are now massed produced off shore and the quality has suffered. My test is to try to move the open blade side to side, I expect VERY little on better no movement. I also do not favor a belt hook, Feel free to chime in if you have a opinion. -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 All Mail to: Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. A.M. 34 Country Club Drive Windsor, CT 06095 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
pm7...@comcast.net wrote: I've somehow lost my favored SW pocket knife, Marble's closed their Michigan production fairly recently, you should be able to find NOS USA made knives fairly easy. I'm not sure how old this is, or if it's what you are looking for: http://search.ebay.com/360228379824 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
This Case looked like a tolerable deal: http://search.ebay.com/260541351909 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
How about buying the $1700 hydraulic/pneumatic compensator, then drill/tap to add a charging nipple on the gas side, and replenish nitrogen as required? Expensive, but will get you closer to original. Seems like David really wants to try a different pair of shocks, which will be much cheaper than $1700. I'd recommend you go to a good suspension shop and get their opinion on a different solution for shocks. I seem to remember a fellow that converted a wagon to spring/shocks who had a custom set of shocks made (Monroe?) which resulted in no rear end sag with normal load (but of coarse reduced ride quality). Maybe you can find a place that will sell you what you want so you can try that. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? dude, butchering the car with the spring damages the ride. people seem to complain about this a lot more the 8s than with 6s. this damage is done and the only real question is whether or not the consequences are acceptable to you or not. to my knowledge, no one has yet formulated a solution. i agree with you about spending that kind of mine on a compensator that might be largely spent to begin with is not a very happy plan. i couldn't see myself going for it. i am still contending, however, that if you did find softer shocks, they still will not be satisfactory to you. so far, all of the people i have spoken to with the experience and expertise to formulate a solution have been in agreement with me on this. i'd like to see a solution to this problem as i am a fan of these cars. i will keep looking and maybe i will get lucky and come across something worthwhile. as of right now, though, there is nothing i know of or anyone else here has been able to say that offers much optimism. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:58 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Some points apparently require additional clarification: -6cyl / 8cyl: it doesn't matter, they can all be converted to a spring. The hydropneumatic compensator has a variable spring rate because of the nitrogen gas, but its purpose was mostly levelling, not damping. The variable spring rate is not that different from a steel spring, witness the rear suspension on a TD (different devices but the same gas doing the work). -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I verified this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, identify the production date of the part. Since at its core it is a nitrogen-filled bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan of 5 years before enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its function. That gas escapes whether or not the device is in use. I don't feel like handing over nearly $2k for something that might have been sitting on a shelf for ten years losing its gas charge. -the spring included in the conversion kit (which I bought from Rusty, but it is the same Febi kit sold everywhere) is too firm for the application (the EPC lists the included spring as being for increased ground clearance/HD). This is confirmed by checking the Febi numbers against the EPC. -the proper compensating spring, which I got from MB, is MUCH lighter gauge steel. The ride improved a bit with the softer spring, but no major change. -the only shocks available from Bilstein and from MB are HD. This is confirmed in the EPC, which shows the OE shocks being superceded to HD. I have bought and installed a new set (from Rusty) and they are in the car, and they suck. -the car is measured to be at the correct height. The springs are OK. If MB or Bilstein or Sachs still sold the original comfort shocks, I would not feel compelled to find an alternative. The point is to achieve a suspension behaviour that is closer to the original; one that is comfortable and well controlled, without being harsh and unyielding. D. At 11:39 PM + 1/26/10, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:40:12 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? Message-ID: 8b0e7cce1001261440k13b6e498jce3f3ccedee72...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 he has an eight cylinder. he is doomed for spring. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I sell a conversion spring kit for $475.00 which works well, I have one in my 1969 280SEL. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday,
Re: [MBZ] W123 seat travel (or, my wife's legs have become shorter)
I'd guess that your problem is in the height adjustment - probably need to get it into the all-the-way-up (i.e. forward most) position. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Euan Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:41 AM To: merce...@mercedesmailinglist.com; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W123 seat travel (or, my wife's legs have become shorter) UPDATE After putting the seat back in the wagon, the bloody problem has become worse! So obviously all the messing around, shoving the seat back and forwards on the garage floor, has altered something. I noticed that the height adjustment would sometimes result in the seat skewing sideways. Mumblef*k, this is annoying me. Euan Original posting Colleagues Here's an odd thing. My wife (not the odd thing at all) has been complaining for a while that she can no longer reach the pedals in our 300TD, even with the driver's seat fully forward. I've taken the seat out and checked the tracking channels for coins, obstructions etc, but there appears to be no problem there. Lubricated everything. No change. However, the passenger seat has an extraordinary amount of travel by comparison. This may be normal, of course, since there is no steering wheel limiting the range of movement. Have you guys encountered similar problems? And do your W123 seats have similar or different degrees of front-and-back adjustment? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 219K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. --R Peter Frederick wrote: Leg pain that feels like a cramp along with swelling means get to the ER fast. My mother did this a few years back while visiting my sister. I called to see how things were and she said her leg was bothering her, felt like a charlie horse starting the day before and it was swollen. I got my sister on the phone and told her to get Mom to the ER AT ONCE, don't play around, she has a clot,. Sure enough she did -- I should have gone to medical school when I was young, I suppose. I'd rather spend the time and $ to find out I was OK than end up with a massive stroke or pulmonary thrombosis -- I can earn more money if I'm still alive! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor
Nope, never even seen a kill a watt but I know what they are. We have to provide documentation for most commercial customers on new units when they are installed, showing that they do indeed produce rated (nameplate) power. That's done with a resistive load bank and this device. It's also handy when we run into issues with the generator not carrying load, or to dispel concerns that the generator is not working to its rating. A good example is with large UPS systems, which are non-linear as heck, and don't like generators as power supplies. Glad to hear the generator is working OK. It's always a good idea to test it under load on a regular basis, as just exercising it without doing so doesn't mean the transfer switch works. I run mine every Saturday morning at 9:00 for 15 minutes, and test it under load once a month by pulling the breaker to the circuit that feeds the transfer switch. It's a PITA because doing this knocks things like clocks off, but I would rather have to reset clocks than be in the dark when there is a power failure and the transfer switch doesn't work Dan --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:21 PM LWB250 wrote: We have very sophisticated devices we use for testing and commissioning of generators (as well as for troubleshooting) that measure power factor among other values, but you're talking about several thousand dollars for something like this: http://www.tequipment.net/pdf/Fluke/435_datasheet.pdf Have you ever run something like that alongside a Kill-A-Watt and compared the readings? BTW, the transfer switch on the Generac seems to have cured itself. My last four simulated power failures have gone off without a hitch. Maybe the thing just needed exercise somehow? (the engine runs several minutes a week, but the transfer switch only trips during a power failure or simulation) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
Why is that? On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:13 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: That is not a good deal. Its about a 1k car. Allan Streib wrote: http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/1573685028.html Would the reverse only works sometimes likely be something easy or bad news? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
Allan Streib wrote: Why is that? Because it's a $2500-3000 car with a few thousand worth of things wrong with it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
I've had good luck with Buck knives over the years, but even though I paid a good buck for them, if you look inside at the lock, a few tooling marks not finished as well as I think they should have been for the money. But it's tight and holds an edge quite well. Ed 300E On 28 January 2010 08:28, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: I've somehow lost my favored SW pocket knife, I'm looking to replace it with another high quality knife. I've looked at Gerber and SW. They are now massed produced off shore and the quality has suffered. My test is to try to move the open blade side to side, I expect VERY little on better no movement. I also do not favor a belt hook, Feel free to chime in if you have a opinion. -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 All Mail to: Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. A.M. 34 Country Club Drive Windsor, CT 06095 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
OK this is what I was asking originally. The sometimes doesn't go into reverse is that a symptom of a fatal problem or more likely something easily repaired (like the B2 failure in the older cars). On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:47 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Why is that? Because it's a $2500-3000 car with a few thousand worth of things wrong with it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Try this
I'm not sure how comfortable I would be driving the camera car. Yikes! Ed 300E On 28 January 2010 04:40, Hendrik riessen heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I don't know Roger, where all a bit gun shy now. There is no near naked ladies jumping at us, is there? Hendrik who is still dreaming of skydiving Godesses landing all over the place relng...@aol.com wrote: The Grimsel Pass is in Switzerland. http://www.gamaniak.com/video/3625 RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel line vs. brake line
I don't know for sure, but would think you are right. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: As a general rule, is hose sold as fuel line, i.e. resistant to gas and diesel, also likely to be resistant to brake fluid? Do the two go hand in hand? I need to replace the hose that runs from the brake fluid reservoir to the clutch master cylinder on one of my Saab 900s (the one reservoir is shared across both hydraulic systems). It appears to be 7mm ID, the same size as the soft fuel lines in a lot of Bosch FI applications. I thought I would save some money by ordering a length of metric-sized fuel line (I can't find any locally) and using some of it here and some of it there. Thanks, Alex -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Try this
I'd think that the roller dude would be worried about that camera car as well! On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:06 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how comfortable I would be driving the camera car. Yikes! Ed 300E -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Try this
What a surprise for those on the bikes and cars when he passes 'em! Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Try this The Grimsel Pass is in Switzerland. http://www.gamaniak.com/video/3625 RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
One can have the opposite too. A client suffered an aneurism in his leg and ended up in intensive care for a month and with his leg amputated. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of tom tomscat Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:40 PM To: mercedes diesel Subject: [MBZ] worst of its over Hi Curt, Welcome back, glad to see you back in circulation, no pun intended. The lesson here is if you feel a pain or something unusual... get it checked out. I just went thru a similar thing at the end of December... had a nagging pain in my leg, like a charley horse. It hung around for weeks, coming and going, and moving to different parts of my leg. I mostly ignored it, thinking it was just normal aches and pains from stuff I was doing. I justified it by thinking I overdid the snow shovelling last month, etc etc. Finally my wife and I decided to look up the symptoms on the internet, and discovered something called DVT: Deep Vein Thrombosis a blood clot. So I called my doctor, to get an appointment, and he told me to get to the Emergency Room NOW. Dont wait another minute. Sheesh. So I did, and sure enough they found a clot behind my knee. I am on blood thinners for a while, and hopefully it will diminish. The ER Doc made a comment that I was lucky that I felt the pain and responded. Do you know when we usually find the blood clots? At the autopsy. :) I had no idea that this pain could have been caused by a clot, nor any idea how one gets clots. But I got one. The danger is that if the clot gets above the knee, it can journey to the heart and the lungs, and things can get real serious real fast. I was lucky, but it was a close call. So for anyone else out there with a peculiar pain, particularly in the leg, get it checked. You never know. I look forward to seeing back at the ChowdahQ! Tom Schuch SE Connecticut Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: 461330.86358...@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Try this
I don't think that is real. It is part of a game isn't it? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of E M Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Try this I'm not sure how comfortable I would be driving the camera car. Yikes! Ed 300E On 28 January 2010 04:40, Hendrik riessen heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I don't know Roger, where all a bit gun shy now. There is no near naked ladies jumping at us, is there? Hendrik who is still dreaming of skydiving Godesses landing all over the place relng...@aol.com wrote: The Grimsel Pass is in Switzerland. http://www.gamaniak.com/video/3625 RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Try this
WILTON wrote: What a surprise for those on the bikes and cars when he passes 'em! Some guy in USA invented the Road Luge about 15-20 years ago. Just the minimum platform for holding four go cart racing slicks and keeping a human body from dragging on the road surface. An article I saw on it quoted the inventor as claiming to have beaten cars like Corvettes in races from the top to the bottom of a mountain. The car gets a huge head start, but a kartlike vehicle can handily outcorner it and soon catches up. I'd rather do the road luge thing than attach wheels all over my body. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel line vs. brake line
I don't think they are the same. From what I've been able to find, brake hose is EPDM rubber and fuel hose is generally NBR rubber. I am not a chemist, but conventional (i.e. not DOT-5 silicone) brake fluid is glycol-ether based which is I think quite different from the aromatic hydrocarbons in fuel. On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:07 -0600, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know for sure, but would think you are right. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: As a general rule, is hose sold as fuel line, i.e. resistant to gas and diesel, also likely to be resistant to brake fluid? Do the two go hand in hand? I need to replace the hose that runs from the brake fluid reservoir to the clutch master cylinder on one of my Saab 900s (the one reservoir is shared across both hydraulic systems). It appears to be 7mm ID, the same size as the soft fuel lines in a lot of Bosch FI applications. I thought I would save some money by ordering a length of metric-sized fuel line (I can't find any locally) and using some of it here and some of it there. Thanks, Alex -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
Allan Streib wrote: OK this is what I was asking originally. The sometimes doesn't go into reverse is that a symptom of a fatal problem For some reason I was thinking this car had a laundry list of problems, must have confused it with another W124. Mileage is undisclosed, but for now I'll assume it's high enough to keep the retail value at or below $3200. Then you have the tranny problem, which may be missing shift bushings but is more likely to be a tranny so worn that the delay on shifting into reverse is approaching infinity. Best case for the rest of the car and worst case for the tranny, you pay $2200 to have a rebuilt tranny installed, everything else is top-top, and the resulting car is worth $3k or maybe a bit more. In reality, if it's worn out the tranny, it probably needs a good bit of suspension work and maybe a valve job. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
OK for some reason I thought I '95 would be worth more. But you're right. I found out it has 220K miles so a worn-out tranny would not be unsurprising. Also do these have the biodegradable wiring problems? Allan On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:29 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: OK this is what I was asking originally. The sometimes doesn't go into reverse is that a symptom of a fatal problem For some reason I was thinking this car had a laundry list of problems, must have confused it with another W124. Mileage is undisclosed, but for now I'll assume it's high enough to keep the retail value at or below $3200. Then you have the tranny problem, which may be missing shift bushings but is more likely to be a tranny so worn that the delay on shifting into reverse is approaching infinity. Best case for the rest of the car and worst case for the tranny, you pay $2200 to have a rebuilt tranny installed, everything else is top- top, and the resulting car is worth $3k or maybe a bit more. In reality, if it's worn out the tranny, it probably needs a good bit of suspension work and maybe a valve job. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
My spyderco (the one with the large thumb hole for opening) completely impressed me with its quality, and sharpness, when I got it. It had a molded-in belt hook, which I loved. I bought two more as spares, but so far in spite of losing mine several times I've always found it again. (We're talking parking lots and junkyards the next day kind of thing.) Been carrying it for years. The design has been changed, and the belt hook is removable metal, and can switch sides. Hate it. At least I have two new spares, but they're not as sharp as mine was. (I can't sharpen anything worth beans.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
Yes, if he can't show the engine harness was replaced, deduct another $500. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 96 Merdedes Benz E320 - $3900 Nice car, better valium!!!
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. On Jan 28, 2010 10:40 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: My spyderco (the one with the large thumb hole for opening) completely impressed me with its quality, and sharpness, when I got it. It had a molded-in belt hook, which I loved. I bought two more as spares, but so far in spite of losing mine several times I've always found it again. (We're talking parking lots and junkyards the next day kind of thing.) Been carrying it for years. The design has been changed, and the belt hook is removable metal, and can switch sides. Hate it. At least I have two new spares, but they're not as sharp as mine was. (I can't sharpen anything worth beans.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
I also own a couple of Spyderco knives, and recently acquired a SOG folder in a swap. Both have wonderful steel and take a great edge! Buck knives are not too shabby for steel as well. Gerber also. Knife steel alloys today are incredible. There are a lot of good choices out there! I recently bought a Shun kitchen knife made of laminated welded VG10 steel. It has the appearance of Damascening. Aside from being quite beautiful, it is scary sharp! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. On Jan 28, 2010 10:40 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: My spyderco (the one with the large thumb hole for opening) completely impressed me with its quality, and sharpness, when I got it. It had a molded-in belt hook, which I loved. I bought two more as spares, but so far in spite of losing mine several times I've always found it again. (We're talking parking lots and junkyards the next day kind of thing.) Been carrying it for years. The design has been changed, and the belt hook is removable metal, and can switch sides. Hate it. At least I have two new spares, but they're not as sharp as mine was. (I can't sharpen anything worth beans.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Curt. Live long and prosper. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 1/27/2010 7:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Re worst of its over
I'm not sure 'the worst is over' You probably need a lifestyle change. I hope your Doc sent you to Cardio Rehab. About 3 weeks after one of my stents, while I was on a tread mill, nurse came over and asked me to stop. Shzzam, I was back in the cat lab getting anther stent! -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT On 1/27/2010 7:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hose
I need to replace the hose that runs from the brake fluid reservoir to the clutch master cylinder on one of my Saab 900s (the one reservoir is shared across both hydraulic systems). It appears to be 7mm ID, the same size as the soft fuel lines in a lot of Bosch FI applications. I thought I would save some money by ordering a length of metric-sized fuel line (I can't find any locally) and using some of it here and some of it there. It just so happens that I am in the middle of the same repair except that it's in my Porsche 944. The hose from the brake fluid reservoir to the clutch master cylinder, about eight inches long, is weeping through it's own skin. Why this should happen after only 26 years+ in service is a mystery to me. My hose is blue with black chevrons so it's not ordinary old hose. After some research, I found out that this hose is used in a VW application and I found it at a local aftermarket VW parts house. About five bucks. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
--R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hose
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: My hose is blue with black chevrons so it's not ordinary old hose. After some research, I found out that this hose is used in a VW application and I found it at a local aftermarket VW parts house. About five bucks. Thanks, Roger, excellent info! Do you remember the specific VW application---i.e. what are the magic words I need to say to the parts counter guy to get the right stuff, or do you think Gimme some of that 7mm ID bulk brake hose will suffice? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't try this
I had a look at the vid and at the start thought what a crazy stunt, thinking that the road was blocked off but when I saw the oncoming traffic I changed my mind to dangerously stupid insane idiotic and irresponsible stunt. I don't care if that idiot wiped himself out but there was a good chance he could have smacked into one of the motorbikes coming the other way. Hendrik WILTON wrote: What a surprise for those on the bikes and cars when he passes 'em! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't try this
Once again, are you folks sure this is real? The graphics on a lot of the video games these days are such that it is difficult to tell them from reality. There was a recent clip I saw of a jet taking off and doing a roll. Folks were amazed until one of the fellows said it was part of a video game and not real at all. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Hendrik riessen Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don't try this I had a look at the vid and at the start thought what a crazy stunt, thinking that the road was blocked off but when I saw the oncoming traffic I changed my mind to dangerously stupid insane idiotic and irresponsible stunt. I don't care if that idiot wiped himself out but there was a good chance he could have smacked into one of the motorbikes coming the other way. Hendrik WILTON wrote: What a surprise for those on the bikes and cars when he passes 'em! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't try this
Hendrik riessen wrote: I had a look at the vid and at the start thought what a crazy stunt, thinking that the road was blocked off but when I saw the oncoming traffic I changed my mind to dangerously stupid insane idiotic and irresponsible stunt. I sent the link to a buddy of mine who'd biked around France and slightly into Switzerland (he just rode around Geneva a bit and then back to France as it turns out). He said of the guy with skate wheels on his chest: The view is a lot better from a bicycle. I thought the chase car was a bit scary, that buggy wheel guy scrubbed off a lot of speed in the turns, and the chase car driver had to hit the brakes with his tires already squealing from the cornering forces in order to keep from running the guy down. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don't try this
R A Bennell wrote: Once again, are you folks sure this is real? I think it's this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVrlA3-f29g ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. I like SOGs too, both their knives and their multitools (a big improvement in ergonomics over Leatherman). All are still made in USA, I believe. So are the more expensive Kershaws---made right here in Oregon in fact, so I get a warm fuzzy feeling about buying them and supporting the local economy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: (I can't sharpen anything worth beans.) Get one of these: http://www.garrettwade.com/solid-carbide-sharpeners/p/63C01.01/ Doesn't put quite as nice an edge on a knife as the old-fashioned technique with a flat whetstone, but it is idiotproof. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. I like SOGs too, both their knives and their multitools (a big improvement in ergonomics over Leatherman). All are still made in USA, I believe. I don't think SOG was ever a USA product. Used to be Japan made, now most of them come from Taiwan, including knives that cost a lot more than a Seal 2000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New car for Kevin K.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1573607720.html $1000 W126 300SD, leaky trans that shifts kind of hard, leaky sunroof seal (I bet it's just clogged drains), interior already would need some work so no worries about your dogs tearing it up. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I don't think SOG was ever a USA product. Used to be Japan made, now most of them come from Taiwan, Hmph. I hope you're wrong. I just bought two of these: http://sogknives.com/store/S60.html ---one for me, one for my mother (who is nearly as tool-crazy as I am) for a Christmas present. Both say Made in USA in the instruction manual and on the box, and company HQ according to the website is in Lynnwood, WA (not that that means anything). No country-of-origin markings on the tool itself that I can find. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the standard of treatment at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
I've got a little SOG Twitch; the clip is removable, as is the assist spring. It has NO serrations. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:28, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: I've somehow lost my favored SW pocket knife, I'm looking to replace it with another high quality knife. I've looked at Gerber and SW. They are now massed produced off shore and the quality has suffered. My test is to try to move the open blade side to side, I expect VERY little on better no movement. I also do not favor a belt hook, Feel free to chime in if you have a opinion. -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 All Mail to: Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. A.M. 34 Country Club Drive Windsor, CT 06095 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmph. I hope you're wrong. I just bought two of these: http://sogknives.com/store/S60.html ---one for me, one for my mother (who is nearly as tool-crazy as I am) for a Christmas present. Both say Made in USA in the instruction manual and on the box, and company HQ according to the website is in Lynnwood, WA (not that that means anything). No country-of-origin markings on the tool itself that I can find. If they are advertising made in USA, then I'm sure it is. I'm more familiar with the Seal knives, which were originally made by Nippon Seki and now seem to be made in Taiwan. Seki: http://cgi.ebay.com/SOG-Seal-2000-Fixed-Blade-Knife-With-Sheath_W0QQitemZ220545022372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335981f9a4 Taiwan: http://cgi.ebay.com/SOG-Seal-Team-2000-Navy-Seals-Knife-w-Nylon-Sheath-S37_W0QQitemZ380201253701QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5885c2bb45 USA: http://www.agrussell.com/sog-bi-polar-rescue/p/SOG-BP5/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Kershaw, Gerber and Leatherman are all Oregon products (although some of their stuff is imported). CRKT is also an Oregon company, although many (if not all) of their products are made in Taiwan but are of good quality. CRKT makes the M16 series which are popular among our troops, according to a buddy just back from Iraq. Some of the imported knives are now made of good grades of alloy steel. If these imports are made of good materials, to good engineering design, specs and QC then they will give good service. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. I like SOGs too, both their knives and their multitools (a big improvement in ergonomics over Leatherman). All are still made in USA, I believe. So are the more expensive Kershaws---made right here in Oregon in fact, so I get a warm fuzzy feeling about buying them and supporting the local economy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Definitely inciting. This warranted a very long thread on Banned with the predictable outcome. --R Peter Hertzing wrote: I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the standard of treatment at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Yea. It does definitly create feelings in others. Most of the time as an admistrator I just sit back and watch. It is definitly a game to be played carefully. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Definitely inciting. This warranted a very long thread on Banned with the predictable outcome. --R Peter Hertzing wrote: I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the standard of treatment at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
i carried a gerber forever. boring, but very competent On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Kershaw, Gerber and Leatherman are all Oregon products (although some of their stuff is imported). CRKT is also an Oregon company, although many (if not all) of their products are made in Taiwan but are of good quality. CRKT makes the M16 series which are popular among our troops, according to a buddy just back from Iraq. Some of the imported knives are now made of good grades of alloy steel. If these imports are made of good materials, to good engineering design, specs and QC then they will give good service. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. I like SOGs too, both their knives and their multitools (a big improvement in ergonomics over Leatherman). All are still made in USA, I believe. So are the more expensive Kershaws---made right here in Oregon in fact, so I get a warm fuzzy feeling about buying them and supporting the local economy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
rant=flaming WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?!? This sounds like good marketing. You have 10-20 years to get a world- class hem/onc center before your ER frequent fliers need it. Oh yeah, they will be suing over that too; I bet that some of the peeps filing the suits are in the anti-(carcinogen-found-in-lots-of- everyday-stuff) groupings... Isn't anyone there aware of the effects of cumulative radiation exposure? It seems like (years ago), everyone was concerned over the radiation exposure from a single chest xray, so much that a chest xray became a layperson's unit of exposure. Does anyone bother to put the exposure [of a CT] scan in those terms? Perhaps they can provide the (not insignificant) probability that the radiation exposure from the scan will lead to a visit to an oncologist. (It isn't a big secret when you are given a lead codpiece by a person with the title radiologist, who happens to be wearing an exposure badge, but I'm sure that some of the customers will swear up and down the aisles that How could they possibly know that a new-high-tech imaging thingamabob pumps more radiation through them than old and dated xray imaging... (or something to that effect) Of course this should be put on the paperwork, preferrably in the forms that peeps normally sign at check-in. /rant I'm not a medical professional. I just have a 3.5 yr old hepatoblastoma survivor (in remission). BTW, what is the exposure of a full torso CT relative to a single plane xray these days, assuming that the device doesn't have a botched program/protocol like other computer controlled radiology stuff that makes the news? I thought it was in the 100-400x range... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 28, 2010, at 17:51, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the standard of treatment at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives i carried a gerber forever. boring, but very competent On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Kershaw, Gerber and Leatherman are all Oregon products (although some of their stuff is imported). CRKT is also an Oregon company, although many (if not all) of their products are made in Taiwan but are of good quality. CRKT makes the M16 series which are popular among our troops, according to a buddy just back from Iraq. Some of the imported knives are now made of good grades of alloy steel. If these imports are made of good materials, to good engineering design, specs and QC then they will give good service. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I have a SOG Flash II Tanto, best knife I've ever owned. Was ~ $60 2 years ago. I like SOGs too, both their knives and their multitools (a big improvement in ergonomics over Leatherman). All are still made in USA, I believe. So are the more expensive Kershaws---made right here in Oregon in fact, so I get a warm fuzzy feeling about buying them and supporting the local economy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Back to the topic, what sort of pocket knife are we looking for? When I think pocket knife, I'm thinking Congress, Barlow, or Stockman. The Buck Stockman is still made in USA, in fact it seems like all Buck knives are: http://www.agrussell.com/buck-stockman/p/BU301/ And there is still some availability on a Case bone handle stockman: http://www.agrussell.com/case-pocket-worn-old-red-bone-medium-stockman/p/CShhh786/ http://www.agrussell.com/by-maker-case/c/939/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hose
...Thanks, Roger, excellent info! Do you remember the specific VW application---i.e. what are the magic words I need to say to the parts counter guy to get the right stuff, or do you think Gimme some of that 7mm ID bulk brake hose will suffice?.. I think the VW application was the same as mine or yours. It is not brake hose and is not designed for pressure. It's just a material resistant to brake fluid under zero pressure. I also think that the size of the nipples on the brake reservoir and the input to the clutch master cylinder are a standard size, at least for german cars. Not knowing what the hose was, I took a picture of it in situ, printed it out 8 1/2 x 11, and showed it to the parts guy who knew immediately what it was. If I can find the photo, I'll send it offline to you just for reference. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Grimsel Pass
I've driven the Grimsel twice, once in each direction but back then the road was a narrow two lane and coming from the west side (I think it was west) it is one of those ascending switchbacks you see in pictures. The start of the video showed a short view of the big dam at the summit backing up a big lake. I would think that the other drivers would not think too much of a prone body flying downhill, since for example, three cars passing abreast on a two lane is not exactly unknown. And then there are the superbikes that come out of nowhere. Just give 'em room. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Actually - your correct about CT and rad exposure, so much so that most well informed Cardiologists would rather do an angiogram the a CT of the chest, especially on women where breast cancer is a real issue. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:27 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: rant=flaming WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?!? This sounds like good marketing. You have 10-20 years to get a world-class hem/onc center before your ER frequent fliers need it. Oh yeah, they will be suing over that too; I bet that some of the peeps filing the suits are in the anti-(carcinogen-found-in-lots-of-everyday-stuff) groupings... Isn't anyone there aware of the effects of cumulative radiation exposure? It seems like (years ago), everyone was concerned over the radiation exposure from a single chest xray, so much that a chest xray became a layperson's unit of exposure. Does anyone bother to put the exposure [of a CT] scan in those terms? Perhaps they can provide the (not insignificant) probability that the radiation exposure from the scan will lead to a visit to an oncologist. (It isn't a big secret when you are given a lead codpiece by a person with the title radiologist, who happens to be wearing an exposure badge, but I'm sure that some of the customers will swear up and down the aisles that How could they possibly know that a new-high-tech imaging thingamabob pumps more radiation through them than old and dated xray imaging... (or something to that effect) Of course this should be put on the paperwork, preferrably in the forms that peeps normally sign at check-in. /rant I'm not a medical professional. I just have a 3.5 yr old hepatoblastoma survivor (in remission). BTW, what is the exposure of a full torso CT relative to a single plane xray these days, assuming that the device doesn't have a botched program/protocol like other computer controlled radiology stuff that makes the news? I thought it was in the 100-400x range... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 28, 2010, at 17:51, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the standard of treatment at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - ...the doc saved my life... I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic ...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road... Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the success stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy -
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
But an insight can be inciting --- On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:25 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Balisongs are fun, and they never get tiresome, at least not until you cut the bejeezuz out of yourself while messing with one. Been there, done that. I still have the butterfly knife that saved my bacon 30 years ago on the streets of Detroit. I favor non-stainless, high-carbon steel for my knives. One of the best I ever had was an Old Timer with a carbon steel blade. That thing held such an edge that if it came to that the other guy would think I missed and be halfway down the street before things started falling off of him. Fortunately, things never did come to that. They still make Old Timers, but have gone to stainless now. Sigh. I also favor chinese chefs knives for the same reason. Good, old-school, high-carbon steel. They do stain, eventually, but I don't buy them to look pretty. Lee From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:55:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
Some insights can be quite inciteful. From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Incite ...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
One of my business partners is a knife person. I found a book a while back about how to make knives at home in various ways, such as using wire rope and forging it into a blade. I gave it to him and I have to believe he stayed up all night reading it. I can ask him about knife stuff if you like - he's very much into the historical aspect of knives and swords. Same thing with pistols, too. Dan --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lee Einer einer...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Lee Einer einer...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:16 PM Balisongs are fun, and they never get tiresome, at least not until you cut the bejeezuz out of yourself while messing with one. Been there, done that. I still have the butterfly knife that saved my bacon 30 years ago on the streets of Detroit. I favor non-stainless, high-carbon steel for my knives. One of the best I ever had was an Old Timer with a carbon steel blade. That thing held such an edge that if it came to that the other guy would think I missed and be halfway down the street before things started falling off of him. Fortunately, things never did come to that. They still make Old Timers, but have gone to stainless now. Sigh. I also favor chinese chefs knives for the same reason. Good, old-school, high-carbon steel. They do stain, eventually, but I don't buy them to look pretty. Lee From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:55:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
I am happy to watch someone play with a Balisong but would rather keep all 10 fingers than try to flip one that fast myself! For the streets of Detroit I'd rather have a Glock or an HK than any blade. Yes, I have some old high-carbon steel knives and other tools. They still can do the job! But some modern stainless knife alloys such as AUS-8 or VG10(!) don't take a back seat to high carbon steels for hardness, and are a lot tougher. I agree with you that competent beats pretty in a knife! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Lee Einer Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Balisongs are fun, and they never get tiresome, at least not until you cut the bejeezuz out of yourself while messing with one. Been there, done that. I still have the butterfly knife that saved my bacon 30 years ago on the streets of Detroit. I favor non-stainless, high-carbon steel for my knives. One of the best I ever had was an Old Timer with a carbon steel blade. That thing held such an edge that if it came to that the other guy would think I missed and be halfway down the street before things started falling off of him. Fortunately, things never did come to that. They still make Old Timers, but have gone to stainless now. Sigh. I also favor chinese chefs knives for the same reason. Good, old-school, high-carbon steel. They do stain, eventually, but I don't buy them to look pretty. Lee From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:55:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I am now in Houston
Flying back from Nashville, flight out of Houston to Tulsa cancelled due to ice. Hopefully I get out of here tomorrow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am now in Houston
Good luck getting home - we're coverede in a solid sheet of ice, with more coming tonight -- On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Flying back from Nashville, flight out of Houston to Tulsa cancelled due to ice. Hopefully I get out of here tomorrow. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
Because its a 95 E320 with a bad transmission. Allan Streib wrote: Why is that? On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:13 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: That is not a good deal. Its about a 1k car. Allan Streib wrote: http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/1573685028.html Would the reverse only works sometimes likely be something easy or bad news? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
It means the transmission is bad. Allan Streib wrote: OK this is what I was asking originally. The sometimes doesn't go into reverse is that a symptom of a fatal problem or more likely something easily repaired (like the B2 failure in the older cars). On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:47 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Why is that? Because it's a $2500-3000 car with a few thousand worth of things wrong with it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
and maybe a head gasket as well Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: OK this is what I was asking originally. The sometimes doesn't go into reverse is that a symptom of a fatal problem For some reason I was thinking this car had a laundry list of problems, must have confused it with another W124. Mileage is undisclosed, but for now I'll assume it's high enough to keep the retail value at or below $3200. Then you have the tranny problem, which may be missing shift bushings but is more likely to be a tranny so worn that the delay on shifting into reverse is approaching infinity. Best case for the rest of the car and worst case for the tranny, you pay $2200 to have a rebuilt tranny installed, everything else is top-top, and the resulting car is worth $3k or maybe a bit more. In reality, if it's worn out the tranny, it probably needs a good bit of suspension work and maybe a valve job. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this could be a good deal
yes, and the evaporator problems. Allan Streib wrote: OK for some reason I thought I '95 would be worth more. But you're right. I found out it has 220K miles so a worn-out tranny would not be unsurprising. Also do these have the biodegradable wiring problems? Allan On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:29 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: OK this is what I was asking originally. The sometimes doesn't go into reverse is that a symptom of a fatal problem For some reason I was thinking this car had a laundry list of problems, must have confused it with another W124. Mileage is undisclosed, but for now I'll assume it's high enough to keep the retail value at or below $3200. Then you have the tranny problem, which may be missing shift bushings but is more likely to be a tranny so worn that the delay on shifting into reverse is approaching infinity. Best case for the rest of the car and worst case for the tranny, you pay $2200 to have a rebuilt tranny installed, everything else is top- top, and the resulting car is worth $3k or maybe a bit more. In reality, if it's worn out the tranny, it probably needs a good bit of suspension work and maybe a valve job. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gary Hurst
Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Peter wrote: While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. Ah - thanks for that final sentence. That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
--R wrote: Definitely inciting. This warranted a very long thread on Banned with the predictable outcome. Yes. Peter - your 4th word should be insight not incite. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am now in Houston
Our manager from OKC flew thru DFW, got stuck there. He said a friend of his was flying in from somewhere else and has a car reserved for tonight to drive up. I guess he is going to try to drive in with him. Crap, I should have flown in closer and rented a car and drove up. Well hell, let me get on CL right now and see if there is a cheap MB I guess buy tomorrow and drive up. OK Don wrote: Good luck getting home - we're coverede in a solid sheet of ice, with more coming tonight -- On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Flying back from Nashville, flight out of Houston to Tulsa cancelled due to ice. Hopefully I get out of here tomorrow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Kaleb wrote: Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. Okay - so I will post gary's messages. You are killing something, you know. Leave it alone, it will pass. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
If you do so, then I will be forced to put you on moderation status. That is not something I care to do. Mountain Man wrote: Kaleb wrote: Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. Okay - so I will post gary's messages. You are killing something, you know. Leave it alone, it will pass. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Kaleb wrote: If you do so, then I will be forced to put you on moderation status. That is not something I care to do. You are sounding more like obama these days. Is he your new hero? Power corrupts, and corrupts absolutely. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
Exactly! It's exciting to incite insightful incitfullness Bob R On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Lee Einer einer...@yahoo.com wrote: Some insights can be quite inciteful. From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Incite ...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CT
Does anyone bother to put the exposure [of a CT] scan in those terms? Perhaps they can provide the (not insignificant) probability that the radiation exposure from the scan will lead to a visit to an oncologist. I read just last week in some report or other that a CT scan has the equivalent radiation of sixty-five chest x-rays. Keeping that in mind, when you need one, you need one. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Thank you Kaleb. Good call. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Gary Hurst Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Odd, I was just thinking that his recent posts here have been a lot more on-topic and less inflammatory than some of them in the recent past were. Though I'm not subscribed to Banned or any of your other lists, so I assume this is about something that happened there. Your list, your decision... Allan On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:57 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
That not only hit the nail, it hit the nail right dead center on the head. Medical costs have been distorted by two things. You have all hear of the $5 bandaid, or $10 bandaid, or $20 bandaid. The problem is no the cost of the bandaid. We All know what they cost: a few cents. All the paper pushers required by the 3rd parties drive up the cost of delivery. 50 to 100 years ago, the local GP was paid in cash, eggs, a hog or what have you. He was not robbed by polititians half his earnings. Now for every MD, there are probably close to 10 paper pushers, maybe more if you count all the insurance co employees, and the gummit employees dedicated to watching that MD. The second factor is the proliferation of ambulance chasing shysters like john edwards. Every doctor now has to do banks of tests, not because they are needed for diagnosis, but because he not only has to cover his keester, but also the keesters of the clinic, the equipment manufacturers, the drug companies and ad infinitum. This adds who knows how much more cost? At least another 10 fold. So I would guess that of ever buck spent in the health care system, only one buffalo nickel goes to the actual cost of healthcare.We don't need more gummit in it, we need gummit and shysters out of it, and we need Medical savings accounts with rollover, so that nobody needs insurance companies. (that includes HMOs.) I want the relationship to be between me and the Doc. That is the way it was when I was a kid, and it worked well, and healthcare was NOT 1/6 of the GDP. Everyone could afford it. But don't think I don't have some choice things to say about the drug companies. I have chosen to spare us all from that pain. Suffice to say that they contribute also. Peter wrote: While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. Ah - thanks for that final sentence. That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CT
When you need one... Who determines that need? A competent and knowledgable medical professional? Someone who believes that it will save lots of money compared to batteries of (safer) tests? Someone who is risk-averse and wants to do the CYA with warm fuzzies bit? Need... Well it's relative; my three year old says he NEEDS to watch a movie. I say he really needs to go to bed. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 28, 2010, at 21:33, relng...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone bother to put the exposure [of a CT] scan in those terms? Perhaps they can provide the (not insignificant) probability that the radiation exposure from the scan will lead to a visit to an oncologist. I read just last week in some report or other that a CT scan has the equivalent radiation of sixty-five chest x-rays. Keeping that in mind, when you need one, you need one. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
No loss. and as Allan said: Your list, your decision... Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Kaleb, are you referring to the BANNED list? Is that the list the Gary had outbursts on? The list the eats its young. The list which you yourself warn possible subscribers if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen? The list where it has been known for years already that nothing should be taken seriously? The list where people frequently mention the use of their delete key when they see something they don't like, and just move on? Its a shame if someone took conversations too far, but to ban someone from all lists for something they said on an anything goes forum seems quite a stretch. I propose you are abusing your power as list owner. I don't agree with your decision. Jaime On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
zackly --R Lee Einer wrote: Some insights can be quite inciteful. From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Incite ...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
you certainly have a right to your opinion on the matter. I have no real problem with Gary being here as long as he keeps himself under control. The problem is that I have received far too many complains about him over the last few months it has just become clear that it is a problem that needs to be dealt with. Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Kaleb, are you referring to the BANNED list? Is that the list the Gary had outbursts on? The list the eats its young. The list which you yourself warn possible subscribers if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen? The list where it has been known for years already that nothing should be taken seriously? The list where people frequently mention the use of their delete key when they see something they don't like, and just move on? Its a shame if someone took conversations too far, but to ban someone from all lists for something they said on an anything goes forum seems quite a stretch. I propose you are abusing your power as list owner. I don't agree with your decision. Jaime On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Gary Hurst has been banned from all okiebenz.com email lists. His latest round of outburts on certain lists has crossed the line one too many times and it was time for him to go. It is a shame as I really liked Gary, but it has become a big distraction to the lists. I do not care who is right or wrong in his problems with Rusty, it just does not belong on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OK, its the peoples list, now is the time to vote
Do we let Gary come back to the lists, or keep him off. Send in your votes offlist. Cutoff is 9am tomorrow morning. I ban gary because everyone says they are tired of it and want him gone, now everyone is saying they dont want him gone. You decide. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am now in Houston
I don't know that you'll get here any faster driving -- http://www.dps.state.ok.us/cgi-bin/weathermap.cgi On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Our manager from OKC flew thru DFW, got stuck there. He said a friend of his was flying in from somewhere else and has a car reserved for tonight to drive up. I guess he is going to try to drive in with him. Crap, I should have flown in closer and rented a car and drove up. Well hell, let me get on CL right now and see if there is a cheap MB I guess buy tomorrow and drive up. OK Don wrote: Good luck getting home - we're coverede in a solid sheet of ice, with more coming tonight -- On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Flying back from Nashville, flight out of Houston to Tulsa cancelled due to ice. Hopefully I get out of here tomorrow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
I read somewhere that malpractice insurance is less than 2% of healthcare costs - but I don't have any idea how much defensive medicene is costing. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Peter wrote: While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. Ah - thanks for that final sentence. That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Who Dat
WHO DAT sez they Gonna beat Dem Saints?? Not the Cards!!! Not the Vikings!!! GEAUX SAINTS SUPER BOWL BOUND!!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst
Mountain Man wrote: You are sounding more like obama these days. Is he your new hero? I think we have found the definition for Incite. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 seat travel (or, my wife's legs have become shorter)
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:49:18 -0500 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I'd guess that your problem is in the height adjustment - probably need to get it into the all-the-way-up (i.e. forward most) position. In other words, there are TWO front-to-back seat adjustments on a W123 driver's seat: one in the front, corresponding to that on the passenger side, and one on the side. The one on the side, because the way its tracks are inclined, affects the height of the seat more than the one in the front does. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Lee Einer wrote: They still make Old Timers, but have gone to stainless now. Sigh. Aagh! I also favor chinese chefs knives for the same reason. Good, old-school, high-carbon steel. They do stain, eventually, but I don't buy them to look pretty. I happen to like the look of an oxidized steel blade... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Benz on VH1
WTF?? Celebrity rehab with Dr. Drew on VH1. Some part of the therapy program is to go outside and beat the hell out of cars, computers, junk, etc. with a sledgehammer. Poor Arabergrau W108 never saw it coming. Now I need therapy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: worst of its over
I read somewhere that malpractice insurance is less than 2% of healthcare costs - but I don't have any idea how much defensive medicene is costing. I don't have exact figures, but somewhere I thought I heard that doctors spent something like half their income on malpractice insurance. If these figures are at all accurate, that tells you the size piece of the pie doctors are getting, donit? So who's getting the rest, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
