date:20110719

Craig  writes:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:08:29 -0400 Allan Streib 
> wrote:
>
>> They are both turbo.
>
> But isn't one a 617.951 and the other a 617.952? (Not that I know what
> the difference is)

Actually according to Wikipedia the '79 300SD would have a 617.950 and
the 300D a 617.952.  One difference being the .952 makes an additional
15HP.  They don't go into detail on other differnces.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W116 dilemma

Craig  writes:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:08:29 -0400 Allan Streib 
> wrote:
>
>> They are both turbo.
>
> But isn't one a 617.951 and the other a 617.952? (Not that I know what
> the difference is)

The '83 300D definitely has a bit more in the way of vacuum controlled
stuff, I'm assuming this is a more sophisticated EGR and maybe
transmission modulation.  Hoping it would not a big deal to just swap
what's in the '79 300SD.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W116 delema

2011-07-19 Thread Craig

On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:08:29 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> They are both turbo.

But isn't one a 617.951 and the other a 617.952? (Not that I know what
the difference is)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W116 delema

They are both turbo.

G Mann  writes:

> Isn't your SD turbo?  Is the 300D turbo?  If they are the same configuration
> turbo wise, should be a apples to apples swap.  If not,,, another set of
> challenges.
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>
>> So I've decided I need to do something about this W116 300SD I bought a
>> few months ago.  As you may recall this is the one that threw the
>> harmonic balancer, breaking the bolt off and causing unknown damage to
>> the crank.  An indy mechanic told the PO that the engine needed a new
>> crankshaft, but I don't really know whether to believe that.
>>
>> Supposedly, according to the prior owner, the 300SD is in good running
>> order aside from this problem.
>>
>> Now, my 300D needs a front-end rebuild.  The ball joints are clanking,
>> there's misc squeeking and creaking, and the driver's side front tire is
>> wearing at about twice the rate of the others.
>>
>> So my thought is to pull the good OM617 from my 300D and drop it into
>> the 300SD.  Then, with the engine out of the 300SD I can get a good look
>> at the crankshaft and decide what to do about it.  Meanwhile, with the
>> engine out of the 300D I have easy access to all the suspension to
>> rejuvinate that.
>>
>> I know both cars have basically the same engine, but not sure what can
>> come over and what needs to be swapped.  What all will I need on hand,
>> I'm assuming manifold gasket, might as well replace all the hoses and
>> belts, anything else?
>>
>> Hoping to make the swap a weekend project.  Does this sound reasonable?
>>
>> Allan
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>>
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Re: [MBZ] W116 delema

2011-07-19 Thread G Mann

Isn't your SD turbo?  Is the 300D turbo?  If they are the same configuration
turbo wise, should be a apples to apples swap.  If not,,, another set of
challenges.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> So I've decided I need to do something about this W116 300SD I bought a
> few months ago.  As you may recall this is the one that threw the
> harmonic balancer, breaking the bolt off and causing unknown damage to
> the crank.  An indy mechanic told the PO that the engine needed a new
> crankshaft, but I don't really know whether to believe that.
>
> Supposedly, according to the prior owner, the 300SD is in good running
> order aside from this problem.
>
> Now, my 300D needs a front-end rebuild.  The ball joints are clanking,
> there's misc squeeking and creaking, and the driver's side front tire is
> wearing at about twice the rate of the others.
>
> So my thought is to pull the good OM617 from my 300D and drop it into
> the 300SD.  Then, with the engine out of the 300SD I can get a good look
> at the crankshaft and decide what to do about it.  Meanwhile, with the
> engine out of the 300D I have easy access to all the suspension to
> rejuvinate that.
>
> I know both cars have basically the same engine, but not sure what can
> come over and what needs to be swapped.  What all will I need on hand,
> I'm assuming manifold gasket, might as well replace all the hoses and
> belts, anything else?
>
> Hoping to make the swap a weekend project.  Does this sound reasonable?
>
> Allan
> --
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>
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

2011-07-19 Thread Fmiser

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I do not have the time or room to mess with it. Maybe I should
> try a few on eBay. Anybody who has these would be crazy not to
> buy unless they don't have anywhere to put a parts car

I'll take 123's - but by the time I transport it here _and_ pay
you $200 a ton it costs too much.  Shoot - even just the
$200/ton makes a W123 worth about $400 and that's almost too
much money right there.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] My new car!

2011-07-19 Thread Thomas Savage


On 7/19/2011 9:04 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:



These are as bad as the W140s, which is NOT a recommendation for ownership -- 
most people dumped them at the end of the lease or the extended warrenty.


Don is in tall cotton if his new BMW is as unreliable as my 140 has 
been.  Which is to say, if it is as reliable as my old 123 was.


A good 140 is at least as reliable as a good 300D from a "starts every 
time and never fails to proceed" daily driver standpoint and is 
infinitely better from an "I don't have to fix the door locks with a 
golf tee and the climate control system simply WORKS without ever having 
to even change the temperature setting with the seasons" component 
reliability standpoint.


206,000 miles, original evaporator, original "sealed" transmission, 
original ball joints(!) have zero play.  All cars should be so good.


Tom


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[MBZ] W116 delema

So I've decided I need to do something about this W116 300SD I bought a
few months ago.  As you may recall this is the one that threw the
harmonic balancer, breaking the bolt off and causing unknown damage to
the crank.  An indy mechanic told the PO that the engine needed a new
crankshaft, but I don't really know whether to believe that.

Supposedly, according to the prior owner, the 300SD is in good running
order aside from this problem.

Now, my 300D needs a front-end rebuild.  The ball joints are clanking,
there's misc squeeking and creaking, and the driver's side front tire is
wearing at about twice the rate of the others.

So my thought is to pull the good OM617 from my 300D and drop it into
the 300SD.  Then, with the engine out of the 300SD I can get a good look
at the crankshaft and decide what to do about it.  Meanwhile, with the
engine out of the 300D I have easy access to all the suspension to
rejuvinate that.

I know both cars have basically the same engine, but not sure what can
come over and what needs to be swapped.  What all will I need on hand,
I'm assuming manifold gasket, might as well replace all the hoses and
belts, anything else?

Hoping to make the swap a weekend project.  Does this sound reasonable?

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] My new car!

Donald Snook  writes:

> By the way, I talked to the service manager about this car.  He knew
> the car.  He knows the previous owner.  The guy took exceptional care
> of the car.  Evidently, he was a little neurotic and wanted the
> radiator cap replaced at every oil change.  All work from new was done
> at the dealer.  Including the Inspection II that was done less than
> 9,000 miles ago. This is a dealer service that costs between $800-1200
> plus anything things that it needs.  At this inspection, the
> dealership checked a ton of stuff (too much too list) and did the
> following:
>
> Changed rear differential fluid, flushed braked fluid, flushed power
> steering fluid, flushed coolant, replaced plugs, replaced all filters,
> and checked, inspected and lubed a WHOLE bunch of other things.  So,
> Im pretty happy with the car.  The previous owner was very anal and
> everything has been done.

You have some kind of luck.  I am amazed how you stumble into these
cars.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> I do not have the time or room to mess with it. Maybe I should try a
> few on eBay. Anybody who has these would be crazy not to buy unless
> they don't have anywhere to put a parts car

There's also the issue of transporting it from Okie-land.  Even if you
were giving them away that could be a prohibitive cost for many of us.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes wagon,Diesel,Turbo - $1095 (Danbury,NH)

2011-07-19 Thread Fmiser

> Fred Moir wrote:

> Six? Cylinder. Counts on his toes perhaps?
 
> 6cyl, auto, ps, pb, pw,wagon. runs well and drives. needs a
> little work 286200 mi
> 
> * Location: Danbury,NH

Why are these deals always so far away...

--   Philip

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[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes wagon,Diesel,Turbo - $1095 (Danbury,NH)

2011-07-19 Thread Fred Moir


Six? Cylinder. Counts on his toes perhaps?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred



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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

Yea that's the deal

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> I do not have the time or room to mess with it. Maybe I should try a few on 
>> eBay. Anybody who has these would be crazy not to buy unless they don't have 
>> anywhere to put a parts car
> 
> What's the deal, pick up at Okie Acres for the same price you'd get after 
> loading it up and hauling it to the scrapyard?
> 
> Too bad shipping and handling charges exceed the value of the car.
> 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I do not have the time or room to mess with it. Maybe I should try a few on 
eBay. Anybody who has these would be crazy not to buy unless they don't have 
anywhere to put a parts car


What's the deal, pick up at Okie Acres for the same price you'd get after 
loading it up and hauling it to the scrapyard?


Too bad shipping and handling charges exceed the value of the car.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

200 a ton

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:46 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> I wonder how much the crusher values a 617 engine.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
> 
>> It's a 17mm wrench for the injection lines, cutters for the fuel and
>> oil lines, 13mm(I think) for the 3 front flange bolts, and the rear
>> anti-roll bolt.
>> 
>> About an hour tops I'd think, but that's going from when I removed the
>> 616 pump with it in the engine bay, carefully unhooking fuel lines.
>> 
>> Walt
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:30 PM, andrew strasfogel
>>  wrote:
>>> I have a complete 617 engine.  How hard is it to remove injection pump
>> from
>>> the engine?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
 
 Walt
 On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:
> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
> are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
> with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
> on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
> well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
> didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
> 
> On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> Damn, that's sad...
>> 
>> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
>> 
>> Walt
>> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>> wrote:
>>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
>>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
>>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
>>> drivetrain also.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

Don't you have to remove the oil canister on those?

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> It's a 17mm wrench for the injection lines, cutters for the fuel and
> oil lines, 13mm(I think) for the 3 front flange bolts, and the rear
> anti-roll bolt.
> 
> About an hour tops I'd think, but that's going from when I removed the
> 616 pump with it in the engine bay, carefully unhooking fuel lines.
> 
> Walt
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:30 PM, andrew strasfogel
>  wrote:
>> I have a complete 617 engine.  How hard is it to remove injection pump from
>> the engine?
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>> 
>>> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
>>> 
>>> Walt
>>>  On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
 Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
 are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
 with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
 on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
 well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
 didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
 
 On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> Damn, that's sad...
> 
> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
> 
> Walt
> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
>> drivetrain also.
>> 
>> --
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

I do not have the time or room to mess with it. Maybe I should try a few on 
eBay. Anybody who has these would be crazy not to buy unless they don't have 
anywhere to put a parts car

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 18/07/2011 6:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all, and a 115 
>> 240D also complete with its drivetrain.  Got another 115 loaded up and ready 
>> to go when they open complete with its drivetrain also.
>> 
> Is there no market at all for parts from these? In a few years folks will be 
> looking for stuff that no longer exists.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

If you need an ip I have some pulled already

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> If I could, I would.
> What's your rate for pulling parts?
> 
> I assume I'd be paying ~20 cents a pound for the IP itself?
> 
> Walt
> 
> On Jul 18, 2011 9:23 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> You going to pull it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>> 
>>> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
>>> 
>>> Walt
>>> On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
 Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
 are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
 with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
 on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
 well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
 didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
 
 On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> Damn, that's sad...
> 
> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
> 
> Walt
> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
>> drivetrain also.
>> 
>> --
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] a W108 250SE Was: Oh, Jaime!...

2011-07-19 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

Good to know!  Thanks!

Jaime


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Jaime, if the deal goes through i have a nice used compensator sitting on a
> shelf in my garage with your name on it.  :)
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  >wrote:
>
> > Now thats a nice setup!
> >
> > Too bad the interior is so worn... I'd guess this car had 100,000+ km on
> it
> > before being imported and having a new mph speedo installed.
> >
> > Typical car dealer with a dream price set.  This car is worth money, but
> > not
> > that much money.
> >
> > In a related story, I came across a '67 250SE sedan park at a gas station
> > on
> > the way to my parent's house this weekend.   Initial inspection showed a
> > very clear chassis and body, no real rust, a 1984 inspection sticker, and
> > enough crud inside and out to suggest it had been sitting a very long
> time.
> >  Rear end slammed on the ground thanks to a collapsed hydro-compensator.
>  I
> > managed (after a struggle, long story short) to get the owner of the car
> > and
> > station on the phone, when he proceeded to tell me how perfect and
> original
> > the car was and how its looking for "real money" for it when its done
> > fixing
> > and detailing it.  I made plans to see it again and get the keys to see
> the
> > engine and interior.  I also explained to him (nicely) how his attempts
> to
> > "fix" the fuel injection and rest of the car are just causing more harm
> > than
> > good and I have no interest in a hacked up car.  I want the car as-is,
> not
> > as a used-car-lot special.
> >
> > So today I inspected it closer.  Interior all original mb-tex in good
> > shape.
> >  Wood all there with no damage.  Sunroof.  LMKU Becker Grand Prix (!).
> >  Heater levers moved.  A bit of mold, but nothing alarming.  A small hole
> > in
> > the head liner that suggested a mouse nest.  No manuals or documents.
> >
> > Engine was a bit of a sad story of clown-mechanics.  Injection pump was
> > missing... the owner had some story of getting a "new"one from california
> > which wasn't right, and another from Germany which was very expensive.
>  If
> > he only knew who to send the original to for rebuilding!  Engine was
> > otherwise all there, washer bag still hanging, etc.  AC stuff all in
> place
> > and connected.
> >
> > The (clown) mechanic on staff there explained to me how they replaced the
> > fuel pump and have pressure up to the injection pump now, but nothing to
> > the
> > injectors.  He asked if I wanted the car, as if he had no real attachment
> > or
> > interest in it.  I explained its real value and gave him my card... if
> the
> > owner will be realistic, I'll take it.  Book value is $3700-8000.
> >
> > I've been looking for an early W108 with a sunroof for years now.  This
> one
> > would need loads of work, but will be a great car in the end.
> >
> > Lets see what happens.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> >
> > > 230CE 5sp:
> > >
> > > http://search.ebay.com/**280709910286<
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> > >
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

I drove from Charleston to Greensboro over the weekend, and there must 
have been some kind of VW show somewhere up that way as I saw a whole 
load of bugs all fancied up on the road.  Reminded me of college days 
when a couple of my buddies had those things (and froze their asses in 
the winter in Indiana).


--R

On 7/19/11 4:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

  In my lifetime (I'm 39), I've seen the same
thing happen to air-cooled VWs (just to pick one example of
many)---they used to be just dime-a-dozen cheap used cars, and now
rust-free original cars and good shells with restoration potential are
both highly valued.


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Re: [MBZ] 300E pickup

That one says "Mercedes-Benz 600 "Benzamino"" so maybe it is something 
to relate to an El Camino?


--R

On 7/19/11 3:46 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
I just saw a really nice 300E pickup truck sort of thing, looked 
really good.  Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.  It was 
white.  I guess it was some kind of custom job, but it looked like 
something that would be pretty cool.


There are supposed to be a couple of 600 grosser pickups.
Here's one:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/11q2/ancient_grease_keeping_the_mercedes-benz_grosser_600_parade-ready-feature/gallery/mercedes-benz_600_26quot_3bbenzamino_26quot_3b_photo_9 



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Re: [MBZ] My new car!

2011-07-19 Thread Randy Bennell

On 19/07/2011 4:36 PM, Donald Snook wrote:

Peter wrote: "I suspect you will like it a lot less when the $3000 "convenience relay"
box goes out and the windows won't work (hopefully, with all of them up), or the door locks fry -- $500
each and four hours labor, and then a big ol charge at the dealer to "reprogram" them. Funky
engine control problems will drive you nuts as well -- intermittent no-start with no cause, flaky crank
position sensors (can only be reached from below, blind, on top of the bell housing), etc. I hope it's
a long time before you have trouble!
These are as bad as the W140s, which is NOT a recommendation for ownership -- most
people dumped them at the end of the lease or the extended warrenty."

WOW! Thanks for the vote of confidence. I just replaced my battery at my
indy's and we reprogrammed windows and locks in about 20 seconds - no charge.
I don't know why you have to do that, but evidently its done after replacing
the battery. Based on my research on the BMW forums, I think you are mistaken
about the cost of these repairs. The reliability went up fairly dramatically
after the 97 model year.

By the way, I talked to the service manager about this car. He knew the car.
He knows the previous owner. The guy took exceptional care of the car.
Evidently, he was a little neurotic and wanted the radiator cap replaced at
every oil change. All work from new was done at the dealer. Including the
Inspection II that was done less than 9,000 miles ago. This is a dealer service
that costs between $800-1200 plus anything things that it needs. At this
inspection, the dealership checked a ton of stuff (too much too list) and did
the following:

Changed rear differential fluid, flushed braked fluid, flushed power steering
fluid, flushed coolant, replaced plugs, replaced all filters, and checked,
inspected and lubed a WHOLE bunch of other things. So, Im pretty happy with
the car. The previous owner was very anal and everything has been done.

Donald H. Snook

Don't worry. You will be fine so long as nothing breaks.
Even if it does, you cannot be into the car for all that much. Sell it
for scrap, walk away and call it depreciation. Wouldn't be any worse
than on a new car of some other sort.

AND we all know you won't keep it 6 months anyway so what are the odds
of any big items going.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] My new car!

Alex wrote: "I know BMWs, like all German cars, are notorious for hatching 
electrical gremlins as they age, but I'm still surprised to hear that.  
Generally the BMW aluminum V-8s have had a great reputation (once they worked 
out the issue with the self-destructing Nikasil blocks early on).  Nothing like 
the timing chain problems in the 3.8 liter Mercedes, or the Audi V-8 that was 
made of two VW GTI 16-valve fours joined at the crank and was more troublesome 
than either would have been separately."

It kind of depends on the audience you are speaking to.  The BMW guys all tell 
horror stories about Mercedes being outrageous and expensive to repair and 
drive.  I think a lot of the stories are urban legends or are at least VERY 
rare.

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Re: [MBZ] My new car!

Peter wrote: "I suspect you will like it a lot less when the $3000 "convenience 
relay" box goes out and the windows won't work (hopefully, with all of them 
up), or the door locks fry -- $500 each and four hours labor, and then a big ol 
charge at the dealer to "reprogram" them.  Funky engine control problems will 
drive you nuts as well -- intermittent no-start with no cause, flaky crank 
position sensors (can only be reached from below, blind, on top of the bell 
housing), etc.  I hope it's a long time before you have trouble!
These are as bad as the W140s, which is NOT a recommendation for ownership -- 
most people dumped them at the end of the lease or the extended warrenty."

WOW! Thanks for the vote of confidence.  I just replaced my battery at my 
indy's and we reprogrammed windows and locks in about 20 seconds - no charge.  
I don't know why you have to do that, but evidently its done after replacing 
the battery.  Based on my research on the BMW forums, I think you are mistaken 
about the cost of these repairs.  The reliability went up fairly dramatically 
after the 97 model year.

By the way, I talked to the service manager about this car.  He knew the car.  
He knows the previous owner.  The guy took exceptional care of the car.  
Evidently, he was a little neurotic and wanted the radiator cap replaced at 
every oil change.  All work from new was done at the dealer.   Including the 
Inspection II that was done less than 9,000 miles ago. This is a dealer service 
that costs between $800-1200 plus anything things that it needs.  At this 
inspection, the dealership checked a ton of stuff (too much too list) and did 
the following:

Changed rear differential fluid, flushed braked fluid, flushed power steering 
fluid, flushed coolant, replaced plugs, replaced all filters, and checked, 
inspected and lubed a WHOLE bunch of other things.   So, Im pretty happy with 
the car.  The previous owner was very anal and everything has been done.


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

andrew strasfogel  writes:

> I have a complete 617 engine.  How hard is it to remove injection pump
> from the engine?

How many miles on it?  Any issues?  What would you want for it?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

2011-07-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>>
> Is there no market at all for parts from these? In a few years folks will be
> looking for stuff that no longer exists.
>

Sigh.  My thought too.  It's hard to imagine a 123 in average
condition being valuable when there are so many on the road today, but
at some point, people may well be beating the bushes for the few
rust-free bodies left.  In my lifetime (I'm 39), I've seen the same
thing happen to air-cooled VWs (just to pick one example of
many)---they used to be just dime-a-dozen cheap used cars, and now
rust-free original cars and good shells with restoration potential are
both highly valued.  You can't put much stock in predictions of what
is going to be collectible in the future, either---how many people in
the late '30s thought that '33 Fords would become a cult item?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

2011-07-19 Thread Michael Canfield

Mostly old parts and rust?

Mike
On Jul 19, 2011 3:14 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:
> --R> wrote:
>> Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?
>
> Camaro is a MoPar wannabe everytime I see it.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

I wonder how much the crusher values a 617 engine.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> It's a 17mm wrench for the injection lines, cutters for the fuel and
> oil lines, 13mm(I think) for the 3 front flange bolts, and the rear
> anti-roll bolt.
>
> About an hour tops I'd think, but that's going from when I removed the
> 616 pump with it in the engine bay, carefully unhooking fuel lines.
>
> Walt
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:30 PM, andrew strasfogel
>  wrote:
> > I have a complete 617 engine.  How hard is it to remove injection pump
> from
> > the engine?
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch 
> wrote:
> >
> >> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
> >>
> >> Walt
> >>  On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> wrote:
> >> > Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
> >> > are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
> >> > with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
> >> > on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
> >> > well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
> >> > didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
> >> >
> >> > On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> >> >> Damn, that's sad...
> >> >>
> >> >> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
> >> >>
> >> >> Walt
> >> >> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> wrote:
> >> >>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
> >> >>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
> >> >>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
> >> >>> drivetrain also.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >> >>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
> >> >>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
> >> >>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
> >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 300E pickup

2011-07-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.
>
> From the GM pickup-bed-on-a-car, the ElCamino.
>
> Ford also had one, the Ranchero - but the spelling doesn't line up.
>

I like "Benzhero" with the "zh" in the middle pronounced as in
"Brezhnev," but people would think you meant "Benz Hero."

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

It's a 17mm wrench for the injection lines, cutters for the fuel and
oil lines, 13mm(I think) for the 3 front flange bolts, and the rear
anti-roll bolt.

About an hour tops I'd think, but that's going from when I removed the
616 pump with it in the engine bay, carefully unhooking fuel lines.

Walt

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:30 PM, andrew strasfogel
 wrote:
> I have a complete 617 engine.  How hard is it to remove injection pump from
> the engine?
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>
>> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
>>
>> Walt
>>  On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>> > Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
>> > are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
>> > with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
>> > on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
>> > well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
>> > didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
>> >
>> > On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> >> Damn, that's sad...
>> >>
>> >> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
>> >>
>> >> Walt
>> >> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>> >>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
>> >>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
>> >>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
>> >>> drivetrain also.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>> >>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
>> >>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
>> >>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
>> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> >>>
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>> > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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Re: [MBZ] 300E pickup

2011-07-19 Thread Fmiser

> Rich Thomas wrote:

> Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.

>From the GM pickup-bed-on-a-car, the ElCamino.

Ford also had one, the Ranchero - but the spelling doesn't line up.

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

I have a complete 617 engine.  How hard is it to remove injection pump from
the engine?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
>
> Walt
>  On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> > Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
> > are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
> > with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
> > on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
> > well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
> > didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
> >
> > On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> >> Damn, that's sad...
> >>
> >> Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...
> >>
> >> Walt
> >> On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> >>> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
> >>> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
> >>> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
> >>> drivetrain also.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>> 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
> >>> 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
> >>> 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
> >>>
> >>>
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> > 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL,
> > 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
> > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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Re: [MBZ] schwarz/rot

Who is Woger?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> My 2001 C320 was Obsidian Black metallic and my 2008 C300 is Barolo Red
>> Metallic. Both kept in show condition year round.
>>
>> In fact, since the annual MBCA car show is next month at the Nile Country
>> Club, I may just stupify the list with what I am about to do to prepare
>> the
>> C300 for the event.
>>
>> RLE
>>  >
>>
>>>
>>>
>
> I rest my case.  Woger made my case perfectly
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Re: [MBZ] colors

My smart French neighbor picked up one of these at an estate auction in VA
for the same price, only it was US and LHD.  One owner car, no rust, clean
unmoleted interior, dealer serviced, etc.  It was perfect enough to make a
grown man cry...

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> What I find fascinating is that in the heyday of the classic108,109, and
>> 111
>> Mercedes glory the most popular color for US exports was BROWN.
>>
>
> The first mbz to really catch my attention was a '70 or '71 280SL
> California that my employer at the time had for sale. I don't know the
> official name of the color, but it was a medium brown.
>
> this color, but it was a LHD coupe with US headlamps, so I know it wasn't
> this car:
> http://bringatrailer.com/2010/**11/11/brit-spec-bankruptcy-**
> find-1968-mercedes-benz-280sl/
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] a W108 250SE Was: Oh, Jaime!...

Jaime, if the deal goes through i have a nice used compensator sitting on a
shelf in my garage with your name on it.  :)

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Now thats a nice setup!
>
> Too bad the interior is so worn... I'd guess this car had 100,000+ km on it
> before being imported and having a new mph speedo installed.
>
> Typical car dealer with a dream price set.  This car is worth money, but
> not
> that much money.
>
> In a related story, I came across a '67 250SE sedan park at a gas station
> on
> the way to my parent's house this weekend.   Initial inspection showed a
> very clear chassis and body, no real rust, a 1984 inspection sticker, and
> enough crud inside and out to suggest it had been sitting a very long time.
>  Rear end slammed on the ground thanks to a collapsed hydro-compensator.  I
> managed (after a struggle, long story short) to get the owner of the car
> and
> station on the phone, when he proceeded to tell me how perfect and original
> the car was and how its looking for "real money" for it when its done
> fixing
> and detailing it.  I made plans to see it again and get the keys to see the
> engine and interior.  I also explained to him (nicely) how his attempts to
> "fix" the fuel injection and rest of the car are just causing more harm
> than
> good and I have no interest in a hacked up car.  I want the car as-is, not
> as a used-car-lot special.
>
> So today I inspected it closer.  Interior all original mb-tex in good
> shape.
>  Wood all there with no damage.  Sunroof.  LMKU Becker Grand Prix (!).
>  Heater levers moved.  A bit of mold, but nothing alarming.  A small hole
> in
> the head liner that suggested a mouse nest.  No manuals or documents.
>
> Engine was a bit of a sad story of clown-mechanics.  Injection pump was
> missing... the owner had some story of getting a "new"one from california
> which wasn't right, and another from Germany which was very expensive.  If
> he only knew who to send the original to for rebuilding!  Engine was
> otherwise all there, washer bag still hanging, etc.  AC stuff all in place
> and connected.
>
> The (clown) mechanic on staff there explained to me how they replaced the
> fuel pump and have pressure up to the injection pump now, but nothing to
> the
> injectors.  He asked if I wanted the car, as if he had no real attachment
> or
> interest in it.  I explained its real value and gave him my card... if the
> owner will be realistic, I'll take it.  Book value is $3700-8000.
>
> I've been looking for an early W108 with a sunroof for years now.  This one
> would need loads of work, but will be a great car in the end.
>
> Lets see what happens.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> > 230CE 5sp:
> >
> > http://search.ebay.com/**280709910286<
> http://search.ebay.com/280709910286>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 300E pickup

2011-07-19 Thread Dieselhead

There was a guy in Chicago 25 or so years ago who had a 230S or 230SE 
(111) in a garage when a tree fell on the garage.  He had it turned 
into a 2 seat pickup.  He sold it a few years later.



I don't think I have seen a 110 pickup, but there have been several 
fade from 111 body cars.


I've seen a photo of a similar custom W110.  Not sure if it started 
out as a Binz ambulance or a sedan.




On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:28 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

 I just saw a really nice 300E pickup truck sort of thing, looked really
 good.  Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.  It was white.  I guess
 it was some kind of custom job, but it looked like something that would
 be pretty cool.

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Re: [MBZ] 300E pickup


Rich Thomas wrote:
I just saw a really nice 300E pickup truck sort of thing, looked really 
good.  Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.  It was white.  I guess 
it was some kind of custom job, but it looked like something that would 
be pretty cool.


There are supposed to be a couple of 600 grosser pickups.
Here's one:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/11q2/ancient_grease_keeping_the_mercedes-benz_grosser_600_parade-ready-feature/gallery/mercedes-benz_600_26quot_3bbenzamino_26quot_3b_photo_9

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Re: [MBZ] 300E pickup

I've seen a photo of a similar custom W110.  Not sure if it started out as a 
Binz ambulance or a sedan.



On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:28 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:
> I just saw a really nice 300E pickup truck sort of thing, looked really 
> good.  Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.  It was white.  I guess 
> it was some kind of custom job, but it looked like something that would 
> be pretty cool.
> 
> --R
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[MBZ] 300E pickup

I just saw a really nice 300E pickup truck sort of thing, looked really 
good.  Tag said "BENZMINO" whatever that means.  It was white.  I guess 
it was some kind of custom job, but it looked like something that would 
be pretty cool.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

2011-07-19 Thread Mountain Man

--R> wrote:
> Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?

Camaro is a MoPar wannabe everytime I see it.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] schwarz

2011-07-19 Thread RELNGSON

> ...I rest my case.  Woger made my case perfectly..
> 
> As they say at the Supreme Court, you don't have a case. Well, you are 
> one.
> 
RLE
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[MBZ] Grosser

2011-07-19 Thread Mountain Man

http://blog.caranddriver.com/grosser-gravy-10-things-you-didn%E2%80%99t-know-about-the-mercedes-benz-600/
mao

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Re: [MBZ] My new car!

2011-07-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:

>
> Funky engine control problems will drive you nuts as well -- intermittent
> no-start with no cause, flaky crank position sensors (can only be reached
> from below, blind, on top of the bell housing), etc.
>
>
I know BMWs, like all German cars, are notorious for hatching electrical
gremlins as they age, but I'm still surprised to hear that.  Generally the
BMW aluminum V-8s have had a great reputation (once they worked out the
issue with the self-destructing Nikasil blocks early on).  Nothing like the
timing chain problems in the 3.8 liter Mercedes, or the Audi V-8 that was
made of two VW GTI 16-valve fours joined at the crank and was more
troublesome than either would have been separately.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-19 Thread G Mann

If you care to dig for it, there is an ASTM for #1 and #2 diesel,,, also Jet
A , and with those engineering specs in hand you can compare the various
elements that make them.
There is also a "cold weather spec" for blending #1 & #2 to lower gell
point. Remember reading it.. but don't remember the ASTM number.

In order to be sold all diesel has to be certified as having met the
pertinent ASTM spec.

Bio Diesel made to public sale also has same requirement to meet spec ASTM
5261- [what ever the latest dash is].  So that may bring some light to the
question ask about "veggie slime".

Vegetable oil has no ASTM fuel spec, however there is a food spec for new
oil.
Waste Veg Oil has to many variables to have a "spec".

Bunker Oil.. [ship fuel] has more than one grade and each has an ASTM spec.
Not that any of them would apply to MBZ use.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:52 AM, dave walton  wrote:

> They crack longer molecules into lighter distillates and dump the lot
> into the mix and call it diesel. These tend to reassimilate over time
> which produces crud in the bottom of the tank. The one exception to
> this was Diesel Supreme sold by BP which contained no cracked
> hydrocarbons and had a virtually indefinite shelf life. It was only
> produced by the refinery in Lima Ohio. That facility was sold many
> years ago and I have not seen the product for quite a while.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Peter Frederick 
> wrote:
> >
> > From what I've found, 45-50, which is better than the requirements for
> diesel fuel in the US (40 cetane number -- different than cetane index --
> see the wikipedia article).  Depends on the source and condition, etc.
> >
> > Biodiesels are higher, and burn cleaner due to their homogenous nature.
>  Diesel fuel is a distillate, so it has a small amount of very heavy stuff
> that never burns properly.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >>From: Walt Zarnoch 
> >>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM
> >>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
> >>
> >>Yeah, I know we use crud for fuel...
> >>Wonder what the cetane rating of vegie-slime is?
> >>
> >>Walt
> >>
> >>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Peter Frederick 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You should also know that American diesel fuel is crap -- Euro spec is
> for MINIMUN 50 Cetane, we usually run 40 or less in the summer.  A major
> reason diesels smoke so badly here.
> >>>
> >>> In case you didn't know, cetane index is the ignitibility index vs pure
> cetane (C10), same purpose as octane number with an opposite scale (the
> higher the number the more easily ti burns).
> >>>
> >>> Ship diesels use really crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the
> time.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> From: Walt Zarnoch 
> Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
> 
> Tut tut, you do know that we MUST use oil, and burn the "inconvenient"
> natural gas in flares...
> 
> Walt
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:59 AM,   wrote:
> >>>Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his
> > engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly
> > realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work.
> > 's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best.
> > << >
> > Peter,
> > From what I've read, synthetic diesel from natural gas or methane is
> even better than regular diesel from petro. It is cleaner, more power, and
> better mileage. Maybe we'll try it someday if we're out of oil and China is
> attacking...the Germans invented the process like so many other things we
> use.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger Hale
> > Monroe, Ga.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

2011-07-19 Thread dave walton

They crack longer molecules into lighter distillates and dump the lot
into the mix and call it diesel. These tend to reassimilate over time
which produces crud in the bottom of the tank. The one exception to
this was Diesel Supreme sold by BP which contained no cracked
hydrocarbons and had a virtually indefinite shelf life. It was only
produced by the refinery in Lima Ohio. That facility was sold many
years ago and I have not seen the product for quite a while.

-Dave Walton


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> From what I've found, 45-50, which is better than the requirements for diesel 
> fuel in the US (40 cetane number -- different than cetane index -- see the 
> wikipedia article).  Depends on the source and condition, etc.
>
> Biodiesels are higher, and burn cleaner due to their homogenous nature.  
> Diesel fuel is a distillate, so it has a small amount of very heavy stuff 
> that never burns properly.
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Walt Zarnoch 
>>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
>>
>>Yeah, I know we use crud for fuel...
>>Wonder what the cetane rating of vegie-slime is?
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>>>
>>> You should also know that American diesel fuel is crap -- Euro spec is for 
>>> MINIMUN 50 Cetane, we usually run 40 or less in the summer.  A major reason 
>>> diesels smoke so badly here.
>>>
>>> In case you didn't know, cetane index is the ignitibility index vs pure 
>>> cetane (C10), same purpose as octane number with an opposite scale (the 
>>> higher the number the more easily ti burns).
>>>
>>> Ship diesels use really crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the time.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
From: Walt Zarnoch 
Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

Tut tut, you do know that we MUST use oil, and burn the "inconvenient"
natural gas in flares...

Walt

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:59 AM,   wrote:
>>>Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his
> engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly
> realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work.
> 's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best.
> <<
> Peter,
> From what I've read, synthetic diesel from natural gas or methane is even 
> better than regular diesel from petro. It is cleaner, more power, and 
> better mileage. Maybe we'll try it someday if we're out of oil and China 
> is attacking...the Germans invented the process like so many other things 
> we use.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger Hale
> Monroe, Ga.
>
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

2011-07-19 Thread Randy Bennell


On 18/07/2011 6:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all, and a 
115 240D also complete with its drivetrain.  Got another 115 loaded up 
and ready to go when they open complete with its drivetrain also.


Is there no market at all for parts from these? In a few years folks 
will be looking for stuff that no longer exists.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT Coleman lanterns

2011-07-19 Thread Curt Raymond

HA, and then there were 3... I've only had one so far that was so bad I 
couldn't get it working.

I've actually taken the summer off from lanterns, I've got nearly 30 usable 
lanterns right now.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:30:29 -0500
From: Fmiser 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT  Coleman lanterns
Message-ID: <20110719003029.78c960ce.fmi...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Nice going Curt!

I hope you are satisfied with yourself.

See what you got me into?

At the auction Saturday I bought a pair of 220F lanterns for
$3.  Both are in pretty rough shape, but one had an intact
globe (that alone worth what I paid).  So now, thanks to you, I
have a lantern - and any old device like that needs spare parts
too, right?  Now I have spare parts.

But the one looks like maybe it could be made to work.  Just a
bit of rust at the font fill...

--   Philip 

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Black cars

2011-07-19 Thread Jim Cathey


Maybe I should keep a "car boy/chauffeur" on retainer.


Wax on, wax off...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Black cars

2011-07-19 Thread WILTON

And my black 91 350SDL looks fantastic when clean, waxed, etc., but I'm just 
not "up to" keeping it like that any more.  Maybe I should keep a "car 
boy/chauffeur" on retainer.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Black cars


I am just catching up on several digests, so I'm a little behind. I have 
TWO black cars.


One is my wife's  2010 Dodge Charger. She picked it out. I found the 
comments about these cars quite funny. The really odd thing is that she 
just told me two days ago she would like to get the windows tinted. She 
had to decide between a VERY bright red color, white, gold or black.  I 
actually find the RED color to be the most flashy - at least the red that 
Dodge uses.  She had a big white Ford Expedition previously.  White cars 
are nice to keep clean.  But, they can look a little boring.  Someone 
referred to the charger in Black as being "aggressive"  and I think that 
it exactly right.  It's a mean looking car!


My other black car is my new to me 2000 BMW 740iL.  I agree black cars are 
a pain to keep clean. But, if you find a used car that is black and the 
paint is in good shape to me that means that someone has taken care of the 
car.   I agree that some cars look better in certain colors.  I really 
liked the color of my old 1990 300D. I think it was desert sand metallic 
(or whatever they called it). But, that color wasn't very exciting. It was 
a little boring.  But, it had just enough metallic in it that when it was 
waxed and shined, it really sparkled.


I actually really love black cars if they are cool looking cars.  I think 
my new BMW is gorgeous in black.   But, I agree they are hard to keep 
clean.  But, when they are clean, they look VERY nice!


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether


From what I've found, 45-50, which is better than the requirements for diesel 
fuel in the US (40 cetane number -- different than cetane index -- see the 
wikipedia article).  Depends on the source and condition, etc.

Biodiesels are higher, and burn cleaner due to their homogenous nature.  Diesel 
fuel is a distillate, so it has a small amount of very heavy stuff that never 
burns properly.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Walt Zarnoch 
>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
>
>Yeah, I know we use crud for fuel...
>Wonder what the cetane rating of vegie-slime is?
>
>Walt
>
>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>>
>> You should also know that American diesel fuel is crap -- Euro spec is for 
>> MINIMUN 50 Cetane, we usually run 40 or less in the summer.  A major reason 
>> diesels smoke so badly here.
>>
>> In case you didn't know, cetane index is the ignitibility index vs pure 
>> cetane (C10), same purpose as octane number with an opposite scale (the 
>> higher the number the more easily ti burns).
>>
>> Ship diesels use really crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the time.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>>From: Walt Zarnoch 
>>>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
>>>
>>>Tut tut, you do know that we MUST use oil, and burn the "inconvenient"
>>>natural gas in flares...
>>>
>>>Walt
>>>
>>>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:59 AM,   wrote:
>>Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his
 engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly
 realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work.
 's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best.
 <<>>>
 Peter,
 From what I've read, synthetic diesel from natural gas or methane is even 
 better than regular diesel from petro. It is cleaner, more power, and 
 better mileage. Maybe we'll try it someday if we're out of oil and China 
 is attacking...the Germans invented the process like so many other things 
 we use.
 Best Wishes,
 Roger Hale
 Monroe, Ga.

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Re: [MBZ] My new car!


I suspect you will like it a lot less when the $3000 "convenience relay" box 
goes out and the windows won't work (hopefully, with all of them up), or the 
door locks fry -- $500 each and four hours labor, and then a big ol charge at 
the dealer to "reprogram" them.

Funky engine control problems will drive you nuts as well -- intermittent 
no-start with no cause, flaky crank position sensors (can only be reached from 
below, blind, on top of the bell housing), etc. 

I hope it's a long time before you have trouble!

These are as bad as the W140s, which is NOT a recommendation for ownership -- 
most people dumped them at the end of the lease or the extended warrenty.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Donald Snook 
>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 8:34 AM
>To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
>Subject: [MBZ] My new car!
>
>I am the proud new owner of a 2000 BMW 740iL.  This car is really amazing.  I 
>have not driven an S Class of similar vintage.  But, having driven and enjoyed 
>this car for a few days, I am really impressed.  I had a previous 7 series.  
>But, this car is so much more refined and capable than that previous car. I 
>don't know if it is just because it is 5 years newer or because of all the 
>extra luxury touches or if it is just because the owner really took care of 
>it.  The suspension is amazing.  The engine is amazing.  I am really enjoying 
>this car.
>
>It is black and it is going to be a pain to keep clean.  But, I sure do like 
>it.
>
>Craig from Los Alamos also has a new car!
>
>Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether

Yeah, I know we use crud for fuel...
Wonder what the cetane rating of vegie-slime is?

Walt

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> You should also know that American diesel fuel is crap -- Euro spec is for 
> MINIMUN 50 Cetane, we usually run 40 or less in the summer.  A major reason 
> diesels smoke so badly here.
>
> In case you didn't know, cetane index is the ignitibility index vs pure 
> cetane (C10), same purpose as octane number with an opposite scale (the 
> higher the number the more easily ti burns).
>
> Ship diesels use really crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the time.
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Walt Zarnoch 
>>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
>>
>>Tut tut, you do know that we MUST use oil, and burn the "inconvenient"
>>natural gas in flares...
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:59 AM,   wrote:
>Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his
>>> engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly
>>> realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work.
>>> 's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best.
>>> <<>>
>>> Peter,
>>> From what I've read, synthetic diesel from natural gas or methane is even 
>>> better than regular diesel from petro. It is cleaner, more power, and 
>>> better mileage. Maybe we'll try it someday if we're out of oil and China is 
>>> attacking...the Germans invented the process like so many other things we 
>>> use.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Black cars

I live in farm country and the cars stay outside -- any fingerprint or smudge 
collects dust in hours, they are visible from 50 ft away and black cars look 
filthy ALL the time.

I have one, gave up on washing it more than once every few months, too much 
work since it looked a mess in a couple days.

Peter


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>From: Donald Snook 
>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 8:28 AM
>To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
>Subject: [MBZ] Black cars
>
>I am just catching up on several digests, so I'm a little behind. I have TWO 
>black cars.
>
>One is my wife's  2010 Dodge Charger. She picked it out. I found the comments 
>about these cars quite funny. The really odd thing is that she just told me 
>two days ago she would like to get the windows tinted. She had to decide 
>between a VERY bright red color, white, gold or black.  I actually find the 
>RED color to be the most flashy - at least the red that Dodge uses.  She had a 
>big white Ford Expedition previously.  White cars are nice to keep clean.  
>But, they can look a little boring.  Someone referred to the charger in Black 
>as being "aggressive"  and I think that it exactly right.  It's a mean looking 
>car!
>
>My other black car is my new to me 2000 BMW 740iL.  I agree black cars are a 
>pain to keep clean. But, if you find a used car that is black and the paint is 
>in good shape to me that means that someone has taken care of the car.   I 
>agree that some cars look better in certain colors.  I really liked the color 
>of my old 1990 300D. I think it was desert sand metallic (or whatever they 
>called it). But, that color wasn't very exciting. It was a little boring.  
>But, it had just enough metallic in it that when it was waxed and shined, it 
>really sparkled.
>
>I actually really love black cars if they are cool looking cars.  I think my 
>new BMW is gorgeous in black.   But, I agree they are hard to keep clean.  
>But, when they are clean, they look VERY nice!
>
>Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] starting on ether


You should also know that American diesel fuel is crap -- Euro spec is for 
MINIMUN 50 Cetane, we usually run 40 or less in the summer.  A major reason 
diesels smoke so badly here.

In case you didn't know, cetane index is the ignitibility index vs pure cetane 
(C10), same purpose as octane number with an opposite scale (the higher the 
number the more easily ti burns).

Ship diesels use really crappy fuel, barely rates as #2 most of the time.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Walt Zarnoch 
>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 7:02 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] starting on ether
>
>Tut tut, you do know that we MUST use oil, and burn the "inconvenient"
>natural gas in flares...
>
>Walt
>
>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:59 AM,   wrote:
Y es, coal dust was the first fuel attempted. However, none of his
>> engines produced significant power on coal dust, and he quickly
>> realized that handing powder for fuel wasn't going to work.
>> 's called diesel fuel for a reason -- it's what works best.
>> <<>
>> Peter,
>> From what I've read, synthetic diesel from natural gas or methane is even 
>> better than regular diesel from petro. It is cleaner, more power, and better 
>> mileage. Maybe we'll try it someday if we're out of oil and China is 
>> attacking...the Germans invented the process like so many other things we 
>> use.
>> Best Wishes,
>> Roger Hale
>> Monroe, Ga.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

2011-07-19 Thread G Mann

I thought it would be one of Chevys newest cars, the "Bailout" that went for
the uber sinister look, or perhaps the "Re-Volt" with a target
Ecco-terrorist market.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?
>
> --R
>
> On 7/19/11 8:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:19 -0600, "Craig"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
>>> and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
>>> marque and model.
>>>
>> Camaro
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Detailing and Oil questions

Castrol is the villain that confused the market on synthetic oils.  They 
developed Syntec as a Group III oil (hydrocracked petroleum) as compared to the 
then-group IV (PAO base) oil that was Mobil-1.

Mobil took them to court over using the word "synthetic" to describe this oil 
but did not prevail.  So now we have the word "synthetic" that can mean 
different things.

AFAIK Castrol synthetic is not a "pure" (PAO) synthetic base.  I don't think 
any mainstream brand of "synthetic" oil is a group IV anymore except Amsoil and 
maybe some of the Mobil-1 formulations.

Best thing to do is contact a BMW dealer and find out what is currently 
approved for your car.  Note that what's in the owner's manual is out-of-date, 
oils that were Group IV then are likely Group III now.

Allan

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:39 -0500, "Donald Snook"  wrote:
> Since we have been talking about black cars and it seems that quite a few 
> listers have one, has anyone tried the Turtle Wax Black Box?  It is a 
> multi-step wax/polish product that is specifically designed for black cars.   
> Just wondering.  The paint on my new is very nice, but I'm still going to 
> detail it and wanted something to make the black look even better!
> 
> Also, what was it that Dr. Marshall Booth used to say about Castrol synthetic 
> oil?  Evidently, I have to use synthetic oil in the BMW.  I thought he said 
> something about the Castrol synthetic being inferior to the Mobil 1.Is 
> the conventional wisdom just to use Mobil 1 if you want synthetic oil?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Detailing and Oil questions


Donald Snook wrote:
Evidently, I have to use synthetic oil in the BMW. 


General wisdom in the world outside of this list is that if you can get the true 
 euro spec Castrol (can't remember if it's 0W40 or 5W40), it's the best stuff 
commonly available for VW/Audi/BMW. Much used to be made of green vs amber, but 
I think the right stuff comes in both colors.


Bobistheoilguy forums would give you the latest info.


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Re: [MBZ] My new car!


Donald Snook wrote:


Craig from Los Alamos also has a new car!


Is Craig keeping the W124 V-8 and the 240D I-5?
Might be time for a larger garage.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:29 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
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> Well, Chevy is wrong.  On Craigslist they are called "Cameros"
> 

Right, and it's "deisal" fuel also

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[MBZ] Detailing and Oil questions

Since we have been talking about black cars and it seems that quite a few 
listers have one, has anyone tried the Turtle Wax Black Box?  It is a 
multi-step wax/polish product that is specifically designed for black cars.   
Just wondering.  The paint on my new is very nice, but I'm still going to 
detail it and wanted something to make the black look even better!

Also, what was it that Dr. Marshall Booth used to say about Castrol synthetic 
oil?  Evidently, I have to use synthetic oil in the BMW.  I thought he said 
something about the Castrol synthetic being inferior to the Mobil 1.Is the 
conventional wisdom just to use Mobil 1 if you want synthetic oil?

Donald H. Snook
2000 BMW 740iL
2010 Dodge Charger (Her Car)
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[MBZ] My new car!

I am the proud new owner of a 2000 BMW 740iL.  This car is really amazing.  I 
have not driven an S Class of similar vintage.  But, having driven and enjoyed 
this car for a few days, I am really impressed.  I had a previous 7 series.  
But, this car is so much more refined and capable than that previous car. I 
don't know if it is just because it is 5 years newer or because of all the 
extra luxury touches or if it is just because the owner really took care of it. 
 The suspension is amazing.  The engine is amazing.  I am really enjoying this 
car.

It is black and it is going to be a pain to keep clean.  But, I sure do like it.

Craig from Los Alamos also has a new car!

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles


Well, Chevy is wrong.  On Craigslist they are called "Cameros"

--R

On 7/19/11 9:11 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

Er, nope I was right the first time

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-family/

Allan

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:10 -0400, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

Oh, probably.  I have zero interest in owning one, but the styling on the new 
isn't bad, IMO.

Allan

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:06 -0400, "Rich 
Thomas"  wrote:

Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?

--R

On 7/19/11 8:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:19 -0600, "Craig"   wrote:


There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
marque and model.

Camaro



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[MBZ] Black cars

I am just catching up on several digests, so I'm a little behind. I have TWO 
black cars.

One is my wife's  2010 Dodge Charger. She picked it out. I found the comments 
about these cars quite funny. The really odd thing is that she just told me two 
days ago she would like to get the windows tinted. She had to decide between a 
VERY bright red color, white, gold or black.  I actually find the RED color to 
be the most flashy - at least the red that Dodge uses.  She had a big white 
Ford Expedition previously.  White cars are nice to keep clean.  But, they can 
look a little boring.  Someone referred to the charger in Black as being 
"aggressive"  and I think that it exactly right.  It's a mean looking car!

My other black car is my new to me 2000 BMW 740iL.  I agree black cars are a 
pain to keep clean. But, if you find a used car that is black and the paint is 
in good shape to me that means that someone has taken care of the car.   I 
agree that some cars look better in certain colors.  I really liked the color 
of my old 1990 300D. I think it was desert sand metallic (or whatever they 
called it). But, that color wasn't very exciting. It was a little boring.  But, 
it had just enough metallic in it that when it was waxed and shined, it really 
sparkled.

I actually really love black cars if they are cool looking cars.  I think my 
new BMW is gorgeous in black.   But, I agree they are hard to keep clean.  But, 
when they are clean, they look VERY nice!

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

Er, nope I was right the first time

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-family/

Allan

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:10 -0400, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
> Oh, probably.  I have zero interest in owning one, but the styling on the new 
> isn't bad, IMO.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:06 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
>  wrote:
> > Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?
> > 
> > --R
> > 
> > On 7/19/11 8:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
> > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:19 -0600, "Craig"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
> > >> and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
> > >> marque and model.
> > > Camaro
> > >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

Oh, probably.  I have zero interest in owning one, but the styling on the new 
isn't bad, IMO.

Allan

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:06 -0400, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:
> Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?
> 
> --R
> 
> On 7/19/11 8:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:19 -0600, "Craig"  wrote:
> >
> >> There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
> >> and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
> >> marque and model.
> > Camaro
> >


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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles


Isn't that a "Camero"?  You know, like camera but with an "o"?

--R

On 7/19/11 8:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:19 -0600, "Craig"  wrote:


There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
marque and model.

Camaro

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Re: [MBZ] Aggressive looking vehicles

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:19 -0600, "Craig"  wrote:

> There's a new car, Chevy, I think, that has sinister-looking headlight
> and tail light treatment. Next time I see one, I'll have to look at the
> marque and model.

Camaro

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today

If I could, I would.
What's your rate for pulling parts?

I assume I'd be paying ~20 cents a pound for the IP itself?

Walt

On Jul 18, 2011 9:23 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> You going to pull it?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>
>> In that case, I'll pay shipping for the next 617 IP you have.
>>
>> Walt
>> On Jul 18, 2011 7:59 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>>> Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing. Actually these cars
>>> are pretty well picked over. I have been posting some 126 SD's
>>> with great rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines
>>> on CL, no takers. Fixing to send them off to the crusher as
>>> well. I have sent at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher,
>>> didnt even bother removing the turbo and IP.
>>>
>>> On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
 Damn, that's sad...

 Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...

 Walt
 On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
> and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
> loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
> drivetrain also.
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today


Rich Thomas wrote:

So what about the 126 pass side mirror I asked about?


Didn't he say 'come buy the whole car'?
That's what he told me about a W116 interior.

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Re: [MBZ] The crush victims of today


So what about the 126 pass side mirror I asked about?

-_R

On 7/18/11 7:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Yea, its pretty sad what all I am crushing.  Actually these cars are 
pretty well picked over.  I have been posting some 126 SD's with great 
rust free bodies but bad paint, interior, and engines on CL, no 
takers.  Fixing to send them off to the crusher as well.  I have sent 
at least 1 turbo 617 in a 116 to the crusher, didnt even bother 
removing the turbo and IP.


On 7/18/2011 6:52 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Damn, that's sad...

Makes me wish I had the funds, and means of transport...

Walt
On Jul 18, 2011 7:49 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

Today I crushed my last 123 wagon complete with engine and all,
and a 115 240D also complete with its drivetrain. Got another 115
loaded up and ready to go when they open complete with its
drivetrain also.

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92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D
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