Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yes. I have the original Magna something that HF knocked off. It has worked 
nicely for me but when you have a high crowed crease or ridge it might have 
some difficulty.

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On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:38 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

like this one

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/stud-welder-dent-repair-kit-98357.html


On 12/26/2011 6:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Maybe you could use a stud welder to pull it out?

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On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Yeah same thought i had, Only I was going to say frame shop  same thing, just 
different terms.

Otherwise, won't even be a $500 POS.


Two words:

Alignment rack.

Take it somewhere and have them straighten it.  Might cost you a couple hundred 
dollars, but at least it will be right. You hose it up and you have effectively 
trashed the whole car.

Sometimes it makes sense to leave things to a professional.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Hendrik & Fay]

I am pretty sure that you are supposed to drain the fuel tank every now 
and then to get rid of any water sitting in the bottom of the tank.


Hendrik
who has water traps but they never have any water in them

Dan Penoff wrote:

I agree with Jaime.

This is another, "If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have 
fitted one to the cars."

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Re: [MBZ] OT -Christchurch quake, again

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yes we are in the driest state on the driest continent, so water is an 
issue, during the last big dry, the state gobberment decided to build a 
desalination plant, which, surprise suprise, went way over budget and 
way behind time. Problem is we rely on one river for our water and the 
states upstream suck all the water out of it, so we miss out. You would 
think that since it's a major river running through several states that 
it would be under control of the federal goobberment but no.


Hendrik
who sometimes drinks water but usually mixes some barley, hops and stuff 
into it


OK Don wrote:

It does sound like a good time to re-evaluate expenditures, or at least
constrtuction methods and models.
Is Adelaide in the severe draught region?
  





  



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Re: [MBZ] cheapskate speaks

[Hendrik & Fay]

Come on kids, you played so nice before Christmas and now it's back to 
bitching. Spose you reckon Santa has gone on holidays and is not writing 
up his naughty list.


Hendrik
who is always, well mostly, well sometimes nice

Dieselhead wrote:
yo fool!  just an honest question.  I thought for a while you had 
reformed, but your true condescending self shines through.







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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Ponton project

[Craig]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 01:05:20 -0500 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2700436427.html
> 
> Probably a money pit but I always stop and think when I see ads like
> this

Yeah, something about the look of a Ponton


Craig

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[MBZ] Diesel Ponton project

[Allan Streib]

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2700436427.html

Probably a money pit but I always stop and think when I see ads like
this

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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[Dieselhead]

Yep,  I have used the elring kits on everything else, and will 
continue to do so.




Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:


 Q sells at least 2.  For a 124, you need to ask for the Mann.  Those
 come in a yellow box, and you need to order the gasket separately. If
 you got the kit that was shrink wrapped to the card with gasket and
 filter, that could be your problem.


Interesting.  For my W116, I ordered the filter/gasket kit, it came
shrink-wrapped to a card with the "Elring" name on it.  The gasket
didn't fit the pan very well and I eventually had to stick it on with
Permatex and then weight it down until it set up enough to hold while I
got the pan in position.  Otherwise the gasket would pop off before I
got the pan seated.  It was like it was just slightly too small, but
Rusty said it was OEM so I just dismissed it off as a one-off problem.

I may try the Mann/separate gasket next time around.

Allan
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1979 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] Racor vs stanadyne Was:yo fool

[Dieselhead]

Still no logical reason for a racor over the stanadyne.  In most of 
the country, you are never too far from a Napa, a FLAPS, a John Deere 
Dealer, or a farm with a spare Stanadyne filter if you need one. 
Conversely in high population regions, this may not be true.  But for 
the majority of miles of highway in the USA, a Stanadyne filter 
element has more points of sale than for racor.   Therefore, it is 
much easier to find a replacement if you need one.  Much easier than 
finding an MB Diesel fuel filter on the road.


I believe racor sells a dedicated water separator, while the 
stanadyne allows many options with one element.  The typical JD 
layout has the first one designated as a separator, with the drain 
out the bottom, fuel out the top, then into the bottom of the second 
"filter" element.  Fuel goes from the second element to the IP.   It 
is a very common setup.




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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dieselhead]

RTW= rest of the world.In this usage, outside Germany


Usually it means outside the US, where you have lots of choices of 
diesel vehicles, and choices of MBs and MB options (or lack thereof) 
that MBUSA says we can't have.  Most of my choices would be "delete"




On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:44 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 In the RTW, the fuel is not always good.


RTW?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dieselhead]

In the 50s, I'd agree with you.  But by the 60s, the amount of testing that
was occurring outside of germany was already significant.  The cars that
most of us drive, even W114/5 cars, were designed for lots of markets, and
tested in them.  And US market cars were adapted as necessary (by MBNA, or
at the factory) in most cases.  Block heaters, fuel heaters (MBNA) and
stationary heaters (factory) as a good example of these adaptations for
cold weather operation.

I'm sure you've seen the options for suspension for countries with poor
road conditions, or engines with low compression for some markets.  More
good examples.

Of course, there are extremes, and exceptions which can cause problems
which aren't easily solved.  Thats when the bean counters get more involved.

Jaime



Yes, overall MB has done a great job over the decades, at least up to 
the 124 and 126 series.  I have no first hand experience after that. 
And, implied in my comment about water separators is that they may 
not be necessary, as I have not installed one after my 200D.  In 
general fuel in this country does not have much water problems.  But 
if you ever get a load of water in the fuel, you will wish you had a 
separator.  That is all I am saying.


And yes, the worldwide options for suspension components is mind 
boggling, especially when the originals are worn beyond 
identification.  I once worked on a 111 with saggy springs, and the 
options of springs, and rubber spring seats worldwide is truly 
mindboggling.  I just wish MBUSA would let us have more choices.


99.9% of the time a water separator is not necessary.


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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[WILTON]

'Got some bad (water) fuel from Texaco leaving Charlotte, NC, early on a 
10-degree Sunday morning in my 80 240D about 1985.  About 10 miles later, I 
couldn't get over 40 mph on I-85N; by coupla hours later, I was occasionally 
down to 20 mph on the shoulder of I-40E; after 20 minutes or so at 20, ice 
in the fuel ine evidently melted so I could again go 40 or so; as the day 
warmed up in mid afternoon, I was able to go 55 to sixty the last hour into 
Goldsboro.  Normally 3-and-a-half-hour trip took nearly seven hours.  Never 
had any more fuel trouble.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to..


A load of bad fuel is rare.  I have a bad load of fuel maybe once in 10 
years.  One was a major truckstop.  one was an elevator pump your own, 
which is generally safe.   Adding an additional filter is perhaps overkill, 
but a good water separator can save you a lot of hassle.  Bad fuel comes in 
two forms:  rust and crud, taken out by the filter; or water, of which a 
small amount will be caught by the filter.


According to Murphy: you get a bad load of fuel after midnight in a 
blizzard or cold rain, or at some other time that is most inconvenient. 
The last time I had to drive over 100 miles at 35-40 until I got to a town 
that had a Napa store that was open.   One other time, it was over 150 
miles at 25-30, and these are just crud cases.  With a water case, you can 
be F.O.R.D.


On an interstate near a large city, just call for the rollback truck. If 
you are on a no-shoulder road far from major cities, it can be 
(indirectly) fatal




I agree with Jaime.

This is another, "If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they 
would have fitted one to the cars."


Dan

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On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:


 Yeah, what exactly is the issue here?

 We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never 
had

 water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration.

 Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country?

 Jaime


 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM,  wrote:


 ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true...


 Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water
 separators, as one example.

 RLE

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Re: [MBZ] yo fool

[RELNGSON]

> ...yo fool!  just an honest question.  I thought for a while you had
> reformed, but your true condescending self shines through...
> 
Why racor you can't see into over a Stanadyne see through separator??? 
I know Racor is the default for the convert a pickup/Nova crowd. Never made 
sense to me...

You gotta be kidding. You don't think your comment was a condescending 
looking-down-your-nose statement from on high. 

"the pickup/Nova crowd..."

RLE
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[Allan Streib]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:

> Q sells at least 2.  For a 124, you need to ask for the Mann.  Those
> come in a yellow box, and you need to order the gasket separately. If
> you got the kit that was shrink wrapped to the card with gasket and
> filter, that could be your problem.

Interesting.  For my W116, I ordered the filter/gasket kit, it came
shrink-wrapped to a card with the "Elring" name on it.  The gasket
didn't fit the pan very well and I eventually had to stick it on with
Permatex and then weight it down until it set up enough to hold while I
got the pan in position.  Otherwise the gasket would pop off before I
got the pan seated.  It was like it was just slightly too small, but
Rusty said it was OEM so I just dismissed it off as a one-off problem.

I may try the Mann/separate gasket next time around.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Allan Streib]

Craig  writes:

> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:44 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the RTW, the fuel is not always good.
>
> RTW?

Rest of the world, I'm guessing.

Though MB was/is quite aware that they sell cars worldwide, not just in
Germany and not just in Europe.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:44 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In the RTW, the fuel is not always good.

RTW?


Craig

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[MBZ] '84 300D CC stopped working abruptly

[glenn brown]

Guys,
I checked the brake lights and they're working fine, so I guess the next thing 
to check is the speed sensor on the back of the instrument cluster.  Can 
someone inform me as to how to check this?  TIA.
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   
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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Curt Raymond]

The first long drive I took with my '83 240D (the ride home actually) took me 
on the Taconic Parkway south of Albany, NY. I stopped at a little gas station 
in the middle of the night (I was MASSIVELY lost) and got a gallon of water 
with my fill-up. The engine got noisier and lost power. Of course with a 240D 
when you lose power you notice!

A quart of Diesel Kleen (thank you 24 hour Wal-Mart) fixed the issue eventually.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:45:47 -0700
From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to..
Message-ID: <20111226184547.96d69922.diese...@pisquared.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:35:47 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Yeah, what exactly is the issue here?
>
> We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never
> had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration.
>
> Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country?

There was a fuel station just south of Yellowstone Park at which I got
some diesel a number of years ago. That was a mistake. It had a lot of
water in it.

I had been fishing in Yellowstone and heard a Benz diesel drive north
through the park about 100 yards from where I was. I could not believe
the horrible noises his car was making. Pinging is way too mild a
description.

When I headed south and got that batch of fuel, I suddenly knew why that
fellow's car was making noise. When we got back to Colorado Springs, the
AC compressor was loose from the engine's rough running.

I have a Racor in the garage waiting installation.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

[Curt Raymond]

And how! Its not if one will leak its when.
The early single processor G5s were also garbage. AFAIK the others were pretty 
good.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:21:31 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Brian Toscano  writes:

> Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
> major problems with their PPC machines.

The liquid cooled G5 machines were prone to trouble, from what I've heard.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Jaime Kopchinski]

In the 50s, I'd agree with you.  But by the 60s, the amount of testing that
was occurring outside of germany was already significant.  The cars that
most of us drive, even W114/5 cars, were designed for lots of markets, and
tested in them.  And US market cars were adapted as necessary (by MBNA, or
at the factory) in most cases.  Block heaters, fuel heaters (MBNA) and
stationary heaters (factory) as a good example of these adaptations for
cold weather operation.

I'm sure you've seen the options for suspension for countries with poor
road conditions, or engines with low compression for some markets.  More
good examples.

Of course, there are extremes, and exceptions which can cause problems
which aren't easily solved.  Thats when the bean counters get more involved.

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Jaime.
>>
>> This is another, "If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they
>> would have fitted one to the cars."
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
>
> One other thought about this:  Fuel in Germany is always good. Electricity
> in Germany is always stable at 50 HZ and 240 or whatever the voltage is.
>  This is true for most of europe.  The radio station frequency does not
> drift.
>
> In the RTW, the fuel is not always good.  The frequency and voltage in the
> RTW fluctuate.  At one place I worked for a couple weeks, they had a grain
> mill for milling corn.  in the corner was a pile of european electric
> motors, burned out from the frequent brownouts. The engineer said they fail
> regularly.  I had the same problem once. A $30,000 in 1990 dollars new
> machine went bonkers because the voltage/frequency in the US are not as
> stable as in the Fatherland. We made them send a new machine and we put in
> a BIG buck booster to try to clean up the juice.
>
> The becker and Blaupunkt radios I loved in my 110s were too sensitive to
> stay on station as the US stations drifted.
>
> The Becker radios from the 80s are better.  My guess is they've added
> circuitry to follow the station as it drifts.
>
> When it comes to systems not subject to local conditions: chassis, engine,
> trans, wheels and tires etc, I always believe the MB engineers know best.
>  Adapting for local conditions, such as fuel, or adding extra heaters for
> North of the 45th parallel is not verboten in my book.
>
> If the RTW could only be like the Fatherland  Oh!  That was tried 70
> years ago and it didn't work out so well.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] cheapskate speaks

[Dieselhead]

yo fool!  just an honest question.  I thought for a while you had 
reformed, but your true condescending self shines through.



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Re: [MBZ] cheapskate speaks

[RELNGSON]

> Why racor you can't see into over a Stanadyne see through separator??
> 
>   I know Racor is the default for the convert a pickup/Nova crowd.
> Never made sense to me...
> 
Another insulting   comment from a guy who doesn't know nearly as much as 
he hopes we think he does.

My Racor unit had a clear lexan bowl with a drain on the bottom. I built a 
steel bracket to mount it on the left fender well next to the main filter. I 
am not going to troll the junkyards for some old used part to duct tape to 
something to save a few bucks.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[Dieselhead]

Ja, but in that case it will shift into 3 and 4.  It winds out 
further before it shifts because the cable position is wrong for 
normal.  It will shift unexpectedly from 4 to 3.  Often won't get 
into 4th unless you back off the throttle.



A restricted fuel filter can also cause shifting problems, but you'd
probably notice having to push down farther on the accelerator more than
before as well.



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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dieselhead]

I agree with Jaime.

This is another, "If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, 
they would have fitted one to the cars."


Dan



One other thought about this:  Fuel in Germany is always good. 
Electricity in Germany is always stable at 50 HZ and 240 or whatever 
the voltage is.  This is true for most of europe.  The radio station 
frequency does not drift.


In the RTW, the fuel is not always good.  The frequency and voltage 
in the RTW fluctuate.  At one place I worked for a couple weeks, they 
had a grain mill for milling corn.  in the corner was a pile of 
european electric motors, burned out from the frequent brownouts. 
The engineer said they fail regularly.  I had the same problem once. 
A $30,000 in 1990 dollars new machine went bonkers because the 
voltage/frequency in the US are not as stable as in the Fatherland. 
We made them send a new machine and we put in a BIG buck booster to 
try to clean up the juice.


The becker and Blaupunkt radios I loved in my 110s were too sensitive 
to stay on station as the US stations drifted.


The Becker radios from the 80s are better.  My guess is they've added 
circuitry to follow the station as it drifts.


When it comes to systems not subject to local conditions: chassis, 
engine, trans, wheels and tires etc, I always believe the MB 
engineers know best.  Adapting for local conditions, such as fuel, or 
adding extra heaters for North of the 45th parallel is not verboten 
in my book.


If the RTW could only be like the Fatherland  Oh!  That was tried 
70 years ago and it didn't work out so well.



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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[Brian Toscano]

A restricted fuel filter can also cause shifting problems, but you'd
probably notice having to push down farther on the accelerator more than
before as well.


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Q sells at least 2.  For a 124, you need to ask for the Mann.  Those come
> in a yellow box, and you need to order the gasket separately. If you got
> the kit that was shrink wrapped to the card with gasket and filter, that
> could be your problem.
>
> There is something different about the 124 transmission (maybe only Diesel
> 124s) that can cause filters other than Mann to collapse.  The symptoms are
> as you describe.  OK, then you stop and start again and it won't get above
> 2nd.  It is a much easier fix than the other options.
>
> When I called sunValley, and described my situation, they said to change
> the filter to a Mann and use only Mann.  They know more about MB
> transmissions than anyone in Nord Amerka, so I trust them.  In my case, it
> solved the problem.
>
> I use only Mann in a 124.  The others are fine in 123, 126, 107 etc. I
> don't know if this idiosyncrasy followed into the 210 or 211 chassis.  I
> don't know if it is Diesel only.  For me, it is not a big deal.  Just order
> Mann and a gasket from Q.
>
>
>
>  The one from Rusty - otherwise, no. Could be time for another change?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > Remember what kind for filter you put in the trans?
>>  >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

[Brian Toscano]

Sort of like the Mercedes saying, "if doesn't leak, it will" :-)

My buddy has a G5 and a 30" and they're both chugging along fine.



On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> The liquid cooled PPC G5 machines were the last of their kind, thank
> goodness, and the liquid cooling was an approach to try and get the max out
> of these processors without changing the form factor of the machine, I
> believe.
>
> And yes, they were troublesome.
>
> As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, these are one of those, "Not
> if, but when" sort of issues.  And when they do fail (leak) it's a very
> unpleasant thing, usually catastrophic.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
> > Brian Toscano  writes:
> >
> >> Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
> >> major problems with their PPC machines.
> >
> > The liquid cooled G5 machines were prone to trouble, from what I've
> heard.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dieselhead]

A load of bad fuel is rare.  I have a bad load of fuel maybe once in 
10 years.  One was a major truckstop.  one was an elevator pump your 
own, which is generally safe.   Adding an additional filter is 
perhaps overkill, but a good water separator can save you a lot of 
hassle.  Bad fuel comes in two forms:  rust and crud, taken out by 
the filter; or water, of which a small amount will be caught by the 
filter.


According to Murphy: you get a bad load of fuel after midnight in a 
blizzard or cold rain, or at some other time that is most 
inconvenient.   The last time I had to drive over 100 miles at 35-40 
until I got to a town that had a Napa store that was open.   One 
other time, it was over 150 miles at 25-30, and these are just crud 
cases.  With a water case, you can be F.O.R.D.


On an interstate near a large city, just call for the rollback truck. 
If you are on a no-shoulder road far from major cities, it can be 
(indirectly) fatal




I agree with Jaime.

This is another, "If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, 
they would have fitted one to the cars."


Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:


 Yeah, what exactly is the issue here?

 We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had
 water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration.

 Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country?

 Jaime


 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM,  wrote:


 ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true...


 Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water
 separators, as one example.

 RLE

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dieselhead]

If you get a load of bad fuel, it can pay for itself quickly.  If 
your fuel is always good,  you don't need it.  How's that for a 
political answer?


I ran the roosaMaster Filter on my 200D.  I have not added one to 
later diesels.  At the time, the Master Filter took out smaller 
particles than the stock filter, so the thinking was to run fuel 
through it, then the main filter, and then you only need to change 
the main filter (cartridge in that case) rarely.  In addition the 
Master Filter was an additional water  trap.


I have not investigated micron sizes lately.



Dieselhead wrote:

 racor is the normal add on choice.


I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace.  Somehow my impression is
that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill?  Ya
think it is useful for 240D with clutch?
mao


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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

[Dan Penoff]

The liquid cooled PPC G5 machines were the last of their kind, thank goodness, 
and the liquid cooling was an approach to try and get the max out of these 
processors without changing the form factor of the machine, I believe.

And yes, they were troublesome.

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, these are one of those, "Not if, 
but when" sort of issues.  And when they do fail (leak) it's a very unpleasant 
thing, usually catastrophic.

Dan


On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Brian Toscano  writes:
> 
>> Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
>> major problems with their PPC machines.
> 
> The liquid cooled G5 machines were prone to trouble, from what I've heard.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[Dieselhead]

Q sells at least 2.  For a 124, you need to ask for the Mann.  Those 
come in a yellow box, and you need to order the gasket separately. 
If you got the kit that was shrink wrapped to the card with gasket 
and filter, that could be your problem.


There is something different about the 124 transmission (maybe only 
Diesel 124s) that can cause filters other than Mann to collapse.  The 
symptoms are as you describe.  OK, then you stop and start again and 
it won't get above 2nd.  It is a much easier fix than the other 
options.


When I called sunValley, and described my situation, they said to 
change the filter to a Mann and use only Mann.  They know more about 
MB transmissions than anyone in Nord Amerka, so I trust them.  In my 
case, it solved the problem.


I use only Mann in a 124.  The others are fine in 123, 126, 107 etc. 
I don't know if this idiosyncrasy followed into the 210 or 211 
chassis.  I don't know if it is Diesel only.  For me, it is not a big 
deal.  Just order Mann and a gasket from Q.




The one from Rusty - otherwise, no. Could be time for another change?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Remember what kind for filter you put in the trans?
 >


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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dan Penoff]

I agree with Jaime.

This is another, "If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would 
have fitted one to the cars."

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Yeah, what exactly is the issue here?
> 
> We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had
> water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration.
> 
> Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM,  wrote:
> 
>>> ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true...
>>> 
>> Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water
>> separators, as one example.
>> 
>> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:35:47 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Yeah, what exactly is the issue here?
> 
> We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never
> had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration.
> 
> Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country?

There was a fuel station just south of Yellowstone Park at which I got
some diesel a number of years ago. That was a mistake. It had a lot of
water in it.

I had been fishing in Yellowstone and heard a Benz diesel drive north
through the park about 100 yards from where I was. I could not believe
the horrible noises his car was making. Pinging is way too mild a
description.

When I headed south and got that batch of fuel, I suddenly knew why that
fellow's car was making noise. When we got back to Colorado Springs, the
AC compressor was loose from the engine's rough running.

I have a Racor in the garage waiting installation.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Mountain Man]

andrew wrote:
> There's a whole lot of vetting going on right now for those who would
> replace him, and it isn't a pretty picture.

And that is exactly what will give him clear sailing into being re-elected.
He can sit back, save the $1bn campaign fund, speak nothing and be re-elected.
That is my bet.  The vetting is being done to the demise of any
believe-ability of the opposition, tea party be damned.
The one guy that could put some teeth in to the race is Ron Paul but
the ministry of truth is not airing anything about the most substanial
thoughts addressing the situations in the country.
I agree with Kaleb - the country will be thru real soon.
Lets take it to banned.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Yeah, what exactly is the issue here?

We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had
water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration.

Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country?

Jaime


On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM,  wrote:

> > ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true...
> >
> Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water
> separators, as one example.
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:19:51 -0500 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> A body shop will have diagrams of the exact measuring points and
> dimensions to be sure everything is back where it should be.  They also
> have the frame bending equipment to do the job right.  This is one where
> I'd farm out at least that part of the job.  You at least need to get
> those diagrams.

Now this makes a lot of sense, especially if you want a usable car after
the repair.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Curt Raymond]

That one must be really horrible for that price... If the trans was the only 
thing wrong with it thats a great deal. 116 are such nice driving cars...

I bought my '83 240D in Mount Laurel, NJ. Thats maybe 1/2 hour out of the city 
(I forget, its been 8 years (sheesh how time flies)). It was just over 200k, 
had minimal rust although some of the clearcoat was flaking, started and ran 
good for $1500.
I drove it ~80k over the next 6 years of off and on ownership. Did me good for 
the price.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:54:50 -0500
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There is no such thing as a car that cheap around here.

Except for this:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2758251980.html

The guys been trying to sell it for a while.  I'd guess its pretty horrible
to not sell at that price.  If I had a place to hide junk, I'd buy it and
part it out.

Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:31:37 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Well I figure I might be able to push it back it place bracing it
> across to the other door jam.  Or drill a hole and pull it back into
> place. Leaning toward trying the pushing first.

That would be my preference, as well.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Allan Streib]

Mountain Man  writes:

> I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace.  Somehow my impression is
> that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill?  Ya
> think it is useful for 240D with clutch?

The spin-on filter will trap water.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

[Allan Streib]

Brian Toscano  writes:

> Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
> major problems with their PPC machines.

The liquid cooled G5 machines were prone to trouble, from what I've heard.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Allan Streib]

A body shop will have diagrams of the exact measuring points and
dimensions to be sure everything is back where it should be.  They also
have the frame bending equipment to do the job right.  This is one where
I'd farm out at least that part of the job.  You at least need to get
those diagrams.

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit
> in the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught
> on the bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and
> part of the a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it
> looks like the bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the
> rear of the car that it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would
> think this would be a fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to
> proceed.  Never done any body work before but this seems basic to me.
> I somehow need to pull the metal back out a little to get the hinges
> lined back up.  I test mounted a door and the way it is now the rear
> of the door sits about 1/2" too high so that a pillar does need to be
> pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I need to drill some holes in the
> area and pull it back out with a slide hammer???  Anybody got any
> pointers?  See photos.  Also need to replace the steering knuckle.

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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Fw:

[Allan Streib]

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> who cares, if he has a virus, its probably sending from his email
> service, if he was hacked, they got his address book and could be
> sending from somewhere else.  In either situation, he has a problem

Someone who has him in their address book could have been hacked.  His
address could have been picked up from a random list archive.  Doesn't
necessarily mean his computer was hacked (though I agree that it's at
least work a careful check).

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Who Had the W126?

[Hans Neureiter]

Whauw! there is someone else on the list from Houston.
With a 126 for sale?
No! Mine is not for sale.



On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Rich,
>
> Were you the one that had the 126 from Houston you were considering
> selling?
>
> If not, who was it?
>
> Drop me a note off list, please...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> And don't forget Festivus.

Isn't Mithra impotent in this mix?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Mountain Man]

Dieselhead wrote:
> racor is the normal add on choice.

I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace.  Somehow my impression is
that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill?  Ya
think it is useful for 240D with clutch?
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Re: [MBZ] water separators

[Walt Zarnoch]

I have a racor that has a see-through bowl, I'll have to find it and
grab the number...

Walt

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why racor you can't see into over a Stanadyne see through separator??
>
>  I know Racor is the default for the convert a pickup/Nova crowd. Never made
> sense to me.  The old guy that ran the injectionshop I used to go to always
> said roosamaster (later Stanadyne)  Because you could see it you needed to
> drain it.  the JD japanese tractors have a neat filter separator that shuts
> the engine down until you drain it. It is probably on Japanese cars in the
> RTW  Would work on a VW rotary pump, but won't directly shut off an MB
> without a vacuum solenoid.
>
>
>>  > ...His position on the need for water separators, as one example.
>>>
>>>
>>>  You think they are almost a necessity, IIRC. Which one would you
>>>  recommend?  Rick..
>>>
>> Racor.
>>
>> RLE
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Yep, I think you're right.  With some engines, there was a difference in
the injection pumps, but I think this might be gasoline engines only.

Jaime

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:54 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> IIRC, which I might not, the tranny mounting ring and flywheel are the only
> differences between the standard and automatic OM615 engines. I helped my
> father replace the OM615 stndard engine with bad blow-by and hard to start
> with an engine from an auto 220D, and that's all that I can remember
> needing to be swapped. So I wouldn't see any reason to try to match the
> OM615 engine to the tranny.
>
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  >wrote:
>
> > One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
> > manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.
>  There
> > isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not
> supply
> > them for the correct transmission type?
> >
> > Jaime
>
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Jaime Kopchinski]

There is no such thing as a car that cheap around here.

Except for this:
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2758251980.html

The guys been trying to sell it for a while.  I'd guess its pretty horrible
to not sell at that price.  If I had a place to hide junk, I'd buy it and
part it out.

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> $1500?  They are on crack.  I bought one just like it except not nearly
> that much rust with either a rebuilt or very great original with no blowby
> engine for $300.
>
>
> On 12/26/2011 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad
>> rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago.  It ran very
>> nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very
>> often on these 4 cylinder diesels.
>>
>> And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing
>> it around for years), with all service records, including the engine
>> replacement.  The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering
>> box separated from the frame of the car it seems.
>>
>> Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into.  I found a
>> '74
>> 240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice
>> and wasn't rusty.  But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly.  But
>> it
>> wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt.
>>
>> The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones
>> interested.
>>
>> One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
>> manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.  There
>> isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not
>> supply
>> them for the correct transmission type?
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com**>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
>>> reasonably.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
>>>
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:

 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil
 filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

 Rick Knoble wrote:

 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
 bay.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[OK Don]

IIRC, which I might not, the tranny mounting ring and flywheel are the only
differences between the standard and automatic OM615 engines. I helped my
father replace the OM615 stndard engine with bad blow-by and hard to start
with an engine from an auto 220D, and that's all that I can remember
needing to be swapped. So I wouldn't see any reason to try to match the
OM615 engine to the tranny.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
> manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.  There
> isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply
> them for the correct transmission type?
>
> Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[OK Don]

The one from Rusty - otherwise, no. Could be time for another change?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Remember what kind for filter you put in the trans?
>
>
>
>  Well, the switch is not stuck, carpet was not interfering with it. The car
>> only has first and second gear, doesn't get to third.
>>
>> The interesting part is that it used to leave a black smoke cloud large
>> enough to obscure the car at and above 4000 rpm. Now it's smokeless, and
>> seems to accelerate atleast as good as it did before. It will red-line at
>> the proper speed in second.
>> How can these be related?
>>
>> Third new development is that I hear a roaring - kind of like the fan was
>> directly connected, but the clutch seems to be working fine.
>>
>> I'm going to crawl under it and look for a short in the wiring from the
>> kick-down switch, examine vacuum hoes, linkages, etc.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

$1500?  They are on crack.  I bought one just like it except not nearly 
that much rust with either a rebuilt or very great original with no 
blowby engine for $300.


On 12/26/2011 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad
rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago.  It ran very
nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very
often on these 4 cylinder diesels.

And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing
it around for years), with all service records, including the engine
replacement.  The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering
box separated from the frame of the car it seems.

Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into.  I found a '74
240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice
and wasn't rusty.  But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly.  But it
wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt.

The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones
interested.

One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.  There
isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply
them for the correct transmission type?

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>  wrote:


I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
reasonably.


  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

Rick Knoble wrote:

617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
bay.

Mitch.






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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Dieselhead]

The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

clay


Different chassis subtype too.

W115 > 240D 
74-76 
115.117 
616.916 

W115 > 300D 
75-76 
115.114 
617.916 
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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

like this one

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/stud-welder-dent-repair-kit-98357.html


On 12/26/2011 6:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Maybe you could use a stud welder to pull it out?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Yeah same thought i had, Only I was going to say frame shop  same thing, just 
different terms.

Otherwise, won't even be a $500 POS.


Two words:

Alignment rack.

Take it somewhere and have them straighten it.  Might cost you a couple hundred 
dollars, but at least it will be right. You hose it up and you have effectively 
trashed the whole car.

Sometimes it makes sense to leave things to a professional.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad
rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago.  It ran very
nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very
often on these 4 cylinder diesels.

And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing
it around for years), with all service records, including the engine
replacement.  The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering
box separated from the frame of the car it seems.

Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into.  I found a '74
240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice
and wasn't rusty.  But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly.  But it
wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt.

The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones
interested.

One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a
manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic.  There
isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply
them for the correct transmission type?

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
> reasonably.
>
>
>  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>>
>> A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
>> position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
>> always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>> Rick Knoble wrote:
>>
>> 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
>> tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
>> cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
>> bay.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Maybe you could use a stud welder to pull it out?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah same thought i had, Only I was going to say frame shop  same thing, just 
different terms.

Otherwise, won't even be a $500 POS.


Two words:

Alignment rack.

Take it somewhere and have them straighten it.  Might cost you a couple hundred 
dollars, but at least it will be right. You hose it up and you have effectively 
trashed the whole car.

Sometimes it makes sense to leave things to a professional.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Dieselhead]

Yes, it was.  It (617.916) is a different subtype than the 617 in the 
123 (617.912).  Different blocks.


Still won't fit without major modifications.



The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

clay

On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote:



 Won't fit


 I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
 miles.

 On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
 reasonably.


  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

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Re: [MBZ] water separators

[Dieselhead]

Why racor you can't see into over a Stanadyne see through separator??

 I know Racor is the default for the convert a pickup/Nova crowd. 
Never made sense to me.  The old guy that ran the injectionshop I 
used to go to always said roosamaster (later Stanadyne)  Because you 
could see it you needed to drain it.  the JD japanese tractors have a 
neat filter separator that shuts the engine down until you drain it. 
It is probably on Japanese cars in the RTW  Would work on a VW rotary 
pump, but won't directly shut off an MB without a vacuum solenoid.



 > ...His position on the need for water separators, as one example.


 You think they are almost a necessity, IIRC. Which one would you
 recommend? 
 Rick..



Racor.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Dieselhead]

Yeah same thought i had, Only I was going to say frame shop  same 
thing, just different terms.


Otherwise, won't even be a $500 POS.



Two words:

Alignment rack.

Take it somewhere and have them straighten it.  Might cost you a 
couple hundred dollars, but at least it will be right. You hose it 
up and you have effectively trashed the whole car.


Sometimes it makes sense to leave things to a professional.

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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[Dieselhead]

Remember what kind for filter you put in the trans?



Well, the switch is not stuck, carpet was not interfering with it. The car
only has first and second gear, doesn't get to third.

The interesting part is that it used to leave a black smoke cloud large
enough to obscure the car at and above 4000 rpm. Now it's smokeless, and
seems to accelerate atleast as good as it did before. It will red-line at
the proper speed in second.
How can these be related?

Third new development is that I hear a roaring - kind of like the fan was
directly connected, but the clutch seems to be working fine.

I'm going to crawl under it and look for a short in the wiring from the
kick-down switch, examine vacuum hoes, linkages, etc.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES - $900 ( Westport Island, ME)

[Dieselhead]

It may have 185k, 285k, 385k, 485K, or more, not just 85k.



Fred Moir wrote:

So many rust-buckets, so little money, sigh.


Engine and transmission both rebuilt on a car that years later has a 
total of 85,000 miles on it? I call BS, unless it's an aluminum 
engined Vega with an abused transmission.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[OK Don]

With the radiator support moved forward, and a definate pointy nose
(compared to the earlier W115 chassis). Hood and fenders are different as
well.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617
>
> clay
>
> On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
> >
> > Won't fit
> >
>

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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[clay monroe]

The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617

clay

On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> 
> Won't fit
> 
>> I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
>> miles.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
>>> reasonably.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
>> >>
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:
 
 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?
 
 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
 
 Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
 bay.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Dieselhead]

Won't fit


I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
miles.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
 reasonably.


  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

 >>

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:

 A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
 position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
 always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

 Rick Knoble wrote:

 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
 cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
 bay.

 Mitch.






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Re: [MBZ] water separators

[RELNGSON]

> ...His position on the need for water separators, as one example.
> 
> You think they are almost a necessity, IIRC. Which one would you 
> recommend? 
> Rick..
> 
Racor.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Dan Penoff]

Two words:

Alignment rack.

Take it somewhere and have them straighten it.  Might cost you a couple hundred 
dollars, but at least it will be right. You hose it up and you have effectively 
trashed the whole car.

Sometimes it makes sense to leave things to a professional.

Dan


On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:38 PM, OK Don wrote:

> I'd cut a 4x4 or so to fit in the rear door jam and push against it so you
> don't move it and the front one equally(hopefully).
> 
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> Well I figure I might be able to push it back it place bracing it across
>> to the other door jam.  Or drill a hole and pull it back into place.
>> Leaning toward trying the pushing first.
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/26/2011 3:29 PM, Craig wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:17:11 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>>>   wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe I need this?
 
 http://www.harborfreight.com/**automotive-motorcycle/auto-**
 body/4-ton-heavy-duty-**portable-hydraulic-equipment-**kit-44899.html
 
>>> That's good for pushing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or this?
 
 http://www.harborfreight.com/**automotive-motorcycle/auto-**
 body/17-piece-heavy-duty-**slide-hammer-kit-5223.html
 
>>> That's good for pulling.
>>> 
>>> Which do you need? Maybe both?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[OK Don]

I'd cut a 4x4 or so to fit in the rear door jam and push against it so you
don't move it and the front one equally(hopefully).

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Well I figure I might be able to push it back it place bracing it across
> to the other door jam.  Or drill a hole and pull it back into place.
>  Leaning toward trying the pushing first.
>
>
> On 12/26/2011 3:29 PM, Craig wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:17:11 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>>   wrote:
>>
>>  Maybe I need this?
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/**automotive-motorcycle/auto-**
>>> body/4-ton-heavy-duty-**portable-hydraulic-equipment-**kit-44899.html
>>>
>> That's good for pushing.
>>
>>
>>  Or this?
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/**automotive-motorcycle/auto-**
>>> body/17-piece-heavy-duty-**slide-hammer-kit-5223.html
>>>
>> That's good for pulling.
>>
>> Which do you need? Maybe both?
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES - $900 ( Westport Island, ME)

[Curt Raymond]

I'm also reasonably sure those are not Maine Antique plates as the suggests 
they are. They look like Vermont to me...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:07:24 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000
ORIGINAL MILES - $900 ( Westport Island, ME)
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Fred Moir wrote:
> So many rust-buckets, so little money, sigh.

Engine and transmission both rebuilt on a car that years later has a total of
85,000 miles on it? I call BS, unless it's an aluminum engined Vega with an
abused transmission.

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Rich Thomas]

After he fixes it.  It'll still be a POS but the door will work, maybe.

--R

On 12/26/11 4:57 PM, WILTON wrote:

Come on!  Isn't somebody gonna offer 'im $500 for the POS?   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; 


Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 210 body work


So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit 
in the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car 
caught on the bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge 
and part of the a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight 
edge it looks like the bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further 
toward the rear of the car that it should as compared to the top 
hinge.  I would think this would be a fairly easy fix but I am not 
really sure how to proceed.  Never done any body work before but this 
seems basic to me.  I somehow need to pull the metal back out a 
little to get the hinges lined back up.  I test mounted a door and 
the way it is now the rear of the door sits about 1/2" too high so 
that a pillar does need to be pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I 
need to drill some holes in the area and pull it back out with a 
slide hammer???  Anybody got any pointers?  See photos.  Also need to 
replace the steering knuckle.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[WILTON]

Come on!  Isn't somebody gonna offer 'im $500 for the POS?   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; 


Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 210 body work


So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit in 
the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught on the 
bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and part of the 
a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it looks like the 
bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the rear of the car that 
it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would think this would be a 
fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to proceed.  Never done any 
body work before but this seems basic to me.  I somehow need to pull the 
metal back out a little to get the hinges lined back up.  I test mounted a 
door and the way it is now the rear of the door sits about 1/2" too high 
so that a pillar does need to be pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I need 
to drill some holes in the area and pull it back out with a slide 
hammer???  Anybody got any pointers?  See photos.  Also need to replace 
the steering knuckle.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Dimitri Seretakis]

How about a come along?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2011, at 4:31 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

Well I figure I might be able to push it back it place bracing it across to the 
other door jam.  Or drill a hole and pull it back into place.  Leaning toward 
trying the pushing first.

On 12/26/2011 3:29 PM, Craig wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:17:11 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:

Maybe I need this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/4-ton-heavy-duty-portable-hydraulic-equipment-kit-44899.html
That's good for pushing.


Or this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/17-piece-heavy-duty-slide-hammer-kit-5223.html
That's good for pulling.

Which do you need? Maybe both?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I figure I might be able to push it back it place bracing it across 
to the other door jam.  Or drill a hole and pull it back into place.  
Leaning toward trying the pushing first.


On 12/26/2011 3:29 PM, Craig wrote:

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:17:11 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Maybe I need this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/4-ton-heavy-duty-portable-hydraulic-equipment-kit-44899.html

That's good for pushing.



Or this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/17-piece-heavy-duty-slide-hammer-kit-5223.html

That's good for pulling.

Which do you need? Maybe both?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Craig]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:17:11 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Maybe I need this?
> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/4-ton-heavy-duty-portable-hydraulic-equipment-kit-44899.html

That's good for pushing.


> Or this?
> 
> http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/17-piece-heavy-duty-slide-hammer-kit-5223.html

That's good for pulling.

Which do you need? Maybe both?


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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Maybe I need this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/4-ton-heavy-duty-portable-hydraulic-equipment-kit-44899.html

Or this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/auto-body/17-piece-heavy-duty-slide-hammer-kit-5223.html

On 12/26/2011 3:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have seen and heard of port a power but never used one.  Push it
back into place by bracing it against the other side of the door?

On 12/26/2011 2:52 PM, OK Don wrote:

Port-a-power to push it back in place? Sledge Hammer?  Drive a 140
into the
pillor from the rear?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Kaleb C.
Striplinwrote:


So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit in
the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught
on the
bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and part of the
a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it looks like
the
bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the rear of the
car that
it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would think this would be a
fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to proceed.  Never done
any
body work before but this seems basic to me.  I somehow need to pull
the
metal back out a little to get the hinges lined back up.  I test
mounted a
door and the way it is now the rear of the door sits about 1/2" too
high so
that a pillar does need to be pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I
need to
drill some holes in the area and pull it back out with a slide
hammer???
  Anybody got any pointers?  See photos.  Also need to replace the
steering
knuckle.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Doesn't HF sell some knock-off variety of a porta power

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On Dec 26, 2011, at 4:00 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

I have seen and heard of port a power but never used one.  Push it back into 
place by bracing it against the other side of the door?

On 12/26/2011 2:52 PM, OK Don wrote:
Port-a-power to push it back in place? Sledge Hammer?  Drive a 140 into the
pillor from the rear?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinwrote:

So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit in
the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught on the
bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and part of the
a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it looks like the
bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the rear of the car that
it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would think this would be a
fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to proceed.  Never done any
body work before but this seems basic to me.  I somehow need to pull the
metal back out a little to get the hinges lined back up.  I test mounted a
door and the way it is now the rear of the door sits about 1/2" too high so
that a pillar does need to be pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I need to
drill some holes in the area and pull it back out with a slide hammer???
 Anybody got any pointers?  See photos.  Also need to replace the steering
knuckle.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have seen and heard of port a power but never used one.  Push it back 
into place by bracing it against the other side of the door?


On 12/26/2011 2:52 PM, OK Don wrote:

Port-a-power to push it back in place? Sledge Hammer?  Drive a 140 into the
pillor from the rear?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinwrote:


So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit in
the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught on the
bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and part of the
a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it looks like the
bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the rear of the car that
it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would think this would be a
fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to proceed.  Never done any
body work before but this seems basic to me.  I somehow need to pull the
metal back out a little to get the hinges lined back up.  I test mounted a
door and the way it is now the rear of the door sits about 1/2" too high so
that a pillar does need to be pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I need to
drill some holes in the area and pull it back out with a slide hammer???
  Anybody got any pointers?  See photos.  Also need to replace the steering
knuckle.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 body work

[OK Don]

Port-a-power to push it back in place? Sledge Hammer?  Drive a 140 into the
pillor from the rear?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit in
> the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught on the
> bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and part of the
> a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it looks like the
> bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the rear of the car that
> it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would think this would be a
> fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to proceed.  Never done any
> body work before but this seems basic to me.  I somehow need to pull the
> metal back out a little to get the hinges lined back up.  I test mounted a
> door and the way it is now the rear of the door sits about 1/2" too high so
> that a pillar does need to be pulled back out.  Seems like maybe I need to
> drill some holes in the area and pull it back out with a slide hammer???
>  Anybody got any pointers?  See photos.  Also need to replace the steering
> knuckle.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw:

[Walt Zarnoch]

I keep deleting, muting, blocking... and this email keeps getting
resurrected.

Gah, I'm going insane!

Walt, who thinks we should napalm the mail server and be done with it...
On Dec 26, 2011 3:48 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> who cares, if he has a virus, its probably sending from his email
>> service, if he was hacked, they got his address book and could be sending
>> from somewhere else.  In either situation, he has a problem
>>
>
> Or they could have gotten his address from your online archive, in which
> case there's nothing he can do about it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw:

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
who cares, if he has a virus, its probably sending from his email 
service, if he was hacked, they got his address book and could be 
sending from somewhere else.  In either situation, he has a problem


Or they could have gotten his address from your online archive, in which case 
there's nothing he can do about it.


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Re: [MBZ] '90 300D 2.5t tranny

[OK Don]

Well, the switch is not stuck, carpet was not interfering with it. The car
only has first and second gear, doesn't get to third.

The interesting part is that it used to leave a black smoke cloud large
enough to obscure the car at and above 4000 rpm. Now it's smokeless, and
seems to accelerate atleast as good as it did before. It will red-line at
the proper speed in second.
How can these be related?

Third new development is that I hear a roaring - kind of like the fan was
directly connected, but the clutch seems to be working fine.

I'm going to crawl under it and look for a short in the wiring from the
kick-down switch, examine vacuum hoes, linkages, etc.

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
>> Our son borrowed the low mileage 124 (under 300K), and brought it back
>>> because it won't shift from third to fourth. Fluid level is OK. Where do
>>> I
>>> start looking for the problem? We've not had any trouble with the tranny
>>> since I bought it from Snook ---
>>>
>>
>> Kickdown switch stuck?  Check it, and the carpet.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Axle Failed

[Craig]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:38:13 -0500 John Ingram  wrote:

> At least I got home.  The axle on my 83 240D has failed.

Attached is a ZIP file of the pictures I took while doing the job. I've
sent one directly to you, John, so you don't have to wait for the large
email to be approved.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

[Brian Toscano]

Friends have owned Macs longer than I have, and I haven't heard of any
major problems with their PPC machines.  The newer ones seem to have more
problems, but laptop batteries and SuperDrives are kind of like repairing
tie rod ends in my opinion.  Its unfortunate that people are having
graphics controller problems.





On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> It is going to have to have the battery installed for testing.  The
> battery would have no effect on the graphics issue, but they will want to
> test everything as a unit, so the battery is a must.
>
> I must be living right, as I have yet to own a Mac that required repairs.
>  And this is over 15+ years of Mac ownership of a lot of different
> machines, nearly all I purchased as refurbs.  The only new machines I
> bought new were an early 2006 20" iMac (which I just upgraded with a C2D
> CPU, hard drive and a total of 4GB RAM) and an early 2006 17" iMac that my
> youngest son continues to use.
>
> I have a 15" MBP CD I bought in late 2005/early 2006 as a refurb, and
> other than swapping a hard drive from a 160GB to 320GB and adding an
> 802.11n AirPort card, it's never missed a lick. I did have a failed battery
> in it covered by a recall, but I don't consider that a defect, as it was
> working just fine but the battery was covered under a recall despite
> working just fine.
>
> I have two 20" PPC iMacs out in the garage I got from Mac buddies - one
> needs a reflow on the GPU, a simple repair, and the other needs a set of
> caps on the logic board ($35 for a set.)
>
> These will be repaired over the holiday break, with the best of the two
> set up as a terminal in the kitchen since the PPC iMacs have VESA mounts,
> something later models do not have...
>
> Dan
>
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > I just bought a new battery.  Should I remove it before sending it
> > along with the computer if I do need to ship it for repairr?  I think
> > I know the answer - they would need the battery to rule out a battery
> > problem, right?
> >
> > On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano  wrote:
> >> The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my
> buddy.
> >> In-store repair was about $900-1000.
> >>
> >> Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace
> the
> >> battery & SuperDrive.  For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't
> >> complain.  Upgrading the hard drive and memory gave it a speed boost.
>  If
> >> this one craps out, I'll probably buy another.  If it doesn't crap out,
> >> I'll probably get another sometime after the 5-6 year mark.  Thunderbolt
> >> would be nice, if it works more reliably than eSATA.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac
> >>> info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the
> >>> display!
> >>>
> >>> On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>  Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to
> go
> >>> the
>  flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it.
> 
>  If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you,
> >>> but
>  rest assured, it won't be cheap.
> 
>  Dan
> 
>  On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> 
> > "He" being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new
> >>> motherboard.
> >
> > On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano  wrote:
> >> Dan,
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was
> >> diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard
> drive
> >>> to
> >> boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech
> >>> "bad
> >> graphics controller".
> >>
> >> Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose
> >> the
> >> problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he
> probably
> >> needs
> >> a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed
> >> independently and that it may or may not be covered under the
> recall.
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are
> >>> documented
> >>> in
> >>> the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a
> change
> >>> in
> >>> the
> >>> issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel
> will
> >>> enlist
> >>> before moving forward.
> >>>
> >>> The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site,
> which
> >>> I
> >>> believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell
> >>> the
> >>> user
> >>> if their machine is included in the replacement campaign.
> >>>
> >>> Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech)
> >>

[MBZ] 210 body work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So I finally got around to start repairing the 99 E430 the woman hit in 
the parking lot and the main problem is the front of her car caught on 
the bottom part of the drivers door, bending back the hinge and part of 
the a-pillar where the hing mounts.  Using a straight edge it looks like 
the bottom hinge is sitting about 1/4" further toward the rear of the 
car that it should as compared to the top hinge.  I would think this 
would be a fairly easy fix but I am not really sure how to proceed.  
Never done any body work before but this seems basic to me.  I somehow 
need to pull the metal back out a little to get the hinges lined back 
up.  I test mounted a door and the way it is now the rear of the door 
sits about 1/2" too high so that a pillar does need to be pulled back 
out.  Seems like maybe I need to drill some holes in the area and pull 
it back out with a slide hammer???  Anybody got any pointers?  See 
photos.  Also need to replace the steering knuckle.

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Re: [MBZ] Fw:

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

who cares, if he has a virus, its probably sending from his email 
service, if he was hacked, they got his address book and could be 
sending from somewhere else.  In either situation, he has a problem


On 12/26/2011 2:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

as I said, he either has a virus, or has been hacked.


You're saying the headers trace back to his email server?

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Re: [MBZ] Fw:

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

as I said, he either has a virus, or has been hacked.


You're saying the headers trace back to his email server?

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Re: [MBZ] Fw:

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

as I said, he either has a virus, or has been hacked.

On 12/25/2011 12:24 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

"From" headers are easy to forge and spammers often do; doesn't
necessarily mean his account has been compromised.

Allan

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:


Glenn you got a virus or have been hacked.

On 12/24/2011 3:10 PM, glenn brown wrote:

http://gamblingcasinotips.com/unread_message.php?wid=52&xjqomotutu=753&uwegalubyf=81

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Re: [MBZ] Spending WAS: Merry Christmas!

[Fred Moir]

That would be double un-good!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 12/26/2011 12:29 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote:

Ref: "local "Transparent Gummit" and their ministry of propaganda"

Maybe it's time to start calling it the ministry of truth (for those who
have read "1984").
   

andrew wrote:
 

  This list is the gift that keeps on giving...
   

Yeah.
At least it doesn't comprise 33% of the GDP.
The line I heard is that the holiday comprises 33% of GDP - totally sick.
The other aspect of 'recovery' is that the eggheads are failing to
tell us is that consumers are not consuming, tax receipts are down and
not bottomed out, and any recovery means return to some semblance of
previous time.  This is the new normal and 'recovery' is a misnomer
totally.  In fact, I bet this might be a good time, i.e. worse time is
gonna happen.  How can debt continue with failing receipts?
 

mao - scrooge

Just more lies from your friendly local "Transparent Gummit" and
their ministry of propaganda AKA CBS, ABC (BS) NBC (BS) CNN (BS)and
similar units.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES - $900 ( Westport Island, ME)

[Mitch Haley]

Fred Moir wrote:

So many rust-buckets, so little money, sigh.


Engine and transmission both rebuilt on a car that years later has a total of 
85,000 miles on it? I call BS, unless it's an aluminum engined Vega with an 
abused transmission.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[andrew strasfogel]

I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K
miles.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had
> reasonably.
>
>
>  Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>>
>> A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
>> position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
>> always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>> Rick Knoble wrote:
>>
>> 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
>> tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
>> cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine
>> bay.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> 1992 300D 2.5T
>> 1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES - $900 ( Westport Island, ME)

[Dieselhead]

There would be an engine for the red one.

OM 616 and 615 were both used in the 115 chassis.  The 615 was 
dedicated as the 220D from 68 to 73.  The 616.916 came in 74-76 and 
was known as the 240D in the 115 chassis as well as the more well 
known 123 OM616.912 240D


The OM615 and the 616.916 are interchangeable in the 115 chassis
The OM616.912 will not fit in a 115 without the oil filter mounted remotely.

Randy can tell you the joys of getting a bath in Diesel engine oil 
changing the oil filter on a 115.




So many rust-buckets, so little money, sigh.

Fred Moir
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Subject:	1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL 
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Date:   Mon, 26 Dec 2011 09:04:40 -0800 (PST)
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   1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES

Date: 2011-12-24, 9:56PM

My old Benz is now for sale. My favorite motor vehicle, I have owned and
loved it for decades, but (like me) it is getting a bit frayed around
the edges. The mileage on the odometer is original, but the engine and
automatic transmission were both rebuilt by a professional Mercedes
mechanic a few years ago, so they have even less miles on them than the
rest of the vehicle. In short, it runs greaton either diesel or a
50/50 mix of diesel/vege-oil. It is also a prime candidate for a full
vege-oil conversion. Good brakes, good tires, good glass, nice working
sun roof, a good exhaust system.The downside is that the body has
developed some rust issues. Looks pretty good from a distance and the
frame is fine but the floor panels have been replaced with aluminum
reinforced PT plywood and the edges of the fender wells are a little
fuzzy. Also, the steering is not as tight as one would expect in a Benz
because I replaced a link with non-original parts, plus the shocks are
really beat (though you wouldn't notice it on a paved highway).
Nonetheless, I used it daily and would not hesitate to drive it anywhere
including long distance. So you could certainly drive it home and beyond
as is, but I would expect you would run into trouble if you tried to get
it inspected without some tweaking. I just recently drove it down to
Maine (where inspection is not required if registered as an antique)
from my summer home in Prince Edward Island Canada; hundreds of miles,
smooth highway rider, no problems. I'm hoping someone would want to
restore it since I think it is still too good to part out. I also have a
newer (1975) Benz and I can't afford to keep both of them. So my old 74
is being reluctantly offered for $900. Please email Bruce if you have
questions. I am now at my cottage in the Bahamas, but my Benz is at my
daughter Ariel's home in Westport Maine. You can call her at
207-882-6505 if you would like to arrange a viewing.

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Re: [MBZ] Spending WAS: Merry Christmas!

[Dieselhead]

1984 and Animal farm



Ref: "local "Transparent Gummit" and their ministry of propaganda"

Maybe it's time to start calling it the ministry of truth (for those who
have read "1984").


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On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 4:25 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Spending WAS: Merry Christmas!


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Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

[Scott and Gwen Ritchey]

I've use Hylomar in the past on my boat engine (Diesel, of course). Hylomar
is a gasket dressing that never gets hard and is easy to disassemble later.
Good for stuff you might need to disassemble later (which is the usual case
with old machines).  Also, it's relatively un-messy compared to some gasket
dressing.

See: http://www.hylomarsealant.com/

Scott

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

I've also heard raves about something called Hylomar but never tried it
myself.

Walt Zarnoch  writes:

> Napa sells it under the permatex brand. 51817 or 51813? I always get the
> permatex number wrong.
>

-- 
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1979 300SD

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[MBZ] Who Had the W126?

[Dan Penoff]

Rich,

Were you the one that had the 126 from Houston you were considering selling?

If not, who was it?

Drop me a note off list, please...

Thanks!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Spending WAS: Merry Christmas!

[Scott and Gwen Ritchey]

Ref: "local "Transparent Gummit" and their ministry of propaganda"

Maybe it's time to start calling it the ministry of truth (for those who
have read "1984").


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On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 4:25 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Spending WAS: Merry Christmas!

>andrew wrote:
>>  This list is the gift that keeps on giving...
>
>Yeah.
>At least it doesn't comprise 33% of the GDP.
>The line I heard is that the holiday comprises 33% of GDP - totally sick.
>The other aspect of 'recovery' is that the eggheads are failing to
>tell us is that consumers are not consuming, tax receipts are down and
>not bottomed out, and any recovery means return to some semblance of
>previous time.  This is the new normal and 'recovery' is a misnomer
>totally.  In fact, I bet this might be a good time, i.e. worse time is
>gonna happen.  How can debt continue with failing receipts?
mao - scrooge

Just more lies from your friendly local "Transparent Gummit" and 
their ministry of propaganda AKA CBS, ABC (BS) NBC (BS) CNN (BS)and 
similar units.

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[MBZ] Fwd: 1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES - $900 ( Westport Island, ME)

[Fred Moir]

So many rust-buckets, so little money, sigh.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred



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$900 ( Westport Island, ME)

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   1974 MERCEDES BENZ DIESEL with UNDER 85000 ORIGINAL MILES

Date: 2011-12-24, 9:56PM

My old Benz is now for sale. My favorite motor vehicle, I have owned and
loved it for decades, but (like me) it is getting a bit frayed around
the edges. The mileage on the odometer is original, but the engine and
automatic transmission were both rebuilt by a professional Mercedes
mechanic a few years ago, so they have even less miles on them than the
rest of the vehicle. In short, it runs greaton either diesel or a
50/50 mix of diesel/vege-oil. It is also a prime candidate for a full
vege-oil conversion. Good brakes, good tires, good glass, nice working
sun roof, a good exhaust system.The downside is that the body has
developed some rust issues. Looks pretty good from a distance and the
frame is fine but the floor panels have been replaced with aluminum
reinforced PT plywood and the edges of the fender wells are a little
fuzzy. Also, the steering is not as tight as one would expect in a Benz
because I replaced a link with non-original parts, plus the shocks are
really beat (though you wouldn't notice it on a paved highway).
Nonetheless, I used it daily and would not hesitate to drive it anywhere
including long distance. So you could certainly drive it home and beyond
as is, but I would expect you would run into trouble if you tried to get
it inspected without some tweaking. I just recently drove it down to
Maine (where inspection is not required if registered as an antique)
from my summer home in Prince Edward Island Canada; hundreds of miles,
smooth highway rider, no problems. I'm hoping someone would want to
restore it since I think it is still too good to part out. I also have a
newer (1975) Benz and I can't afford to keep both of them. So my old 74
is being reluctantly offered for $900. Please email Bruce if you have
questions. I am now at my cottage in the Bahamas, but my Benz is at my
daughter Ariel's home in Westport Maine. You can call her at
207-882-6505 if you would like to arrange a viewing.

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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Gerry Archer]

Merry Xmas, Happy New Year, and many thanks for an informative and
entertaining list this past year.
Gerry

From: "andrew strasfogel" 

This list is the gift that keeps on giving...

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Russ Williams  
wrote:

>> And A Merry Christmas to All

Russ W.


On 12/25/2011 9:06 AM, Craig wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 08:19:40 -0600 Donald Snook 
wrote:

 Merry Christmas to everyone!
And Merry Christmas to you, too, Don!
Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Dieselhead]

Kwanzaa, what about Kwanzaa???



That is a fake made up "holiday"  Even MSN is saying most people are 
wise to the scam, and that is amazing.


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Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to......

[Dieselhead]

racor is the normal add on choice.  But if you can find an 
escort/tempo dissel in a junkyard, they had a filter/separator/heater 
that worked pretty well.



I like the stanadyne see-through as in John Deere (US not japanese)

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[MBZ] Spending WAS: Merry Christmas!

[Dieselhead]

andrew wrote:

 This list is the gift that keeps on giving...


Yeah.
At least it doesn't comprise 33% of the GDP.
The line I heard is that the holiday comprises 33% of GDP - totally sick.
The other aspect of 'recovery' is that the eggheads are failing to
tell us is that consumers are not consuming, tax receipts are down and
not bottomed out, and any recovery means return to some semblance of
previous time.  This is the new normal and 'recovery' is a misnomer
totally.  In fact, I bet this might be a good time, i.e. worse time is
gonna happen.  How can debt continue with failing receipts?

mao - scrooge

Just more lies from your friendly local "Transparent Gummit" and 
their ministry of propaganda AKA CBS, ABC (BS) NBC (BS) CNN (BS)and 
similar units.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting

[Dieselhead]

I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be 
had reasonably.



Is a 615 engine so difficult to find?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don  wrote:

A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter
position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I
always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617?

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

Rick Knoble wrote:

617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115
tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be
cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay.

Mitch.






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1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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