Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Why not fill the holes with that readily available vinyl repair stuff? You mix and match the color. Being just holes vs cracks it should probably stand up fairly well. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:46 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 110 Heresey Was: R107 heresey now Heresy
Kind of like what we called Kentucky chrome as a kid Dan former Rust Belt inhabitant Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:04 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: We refer to that shade of metallic bronze, as rust, up here in Canada. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:39, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Yeah, that looks like some sort of metallic bronze, which I would not expect on a 200D, perhaps on a S class. Hendrik who has no vinyl on the roof Dieselhead wrote: There were a few factory two tones. Very few in a 110. The top color may be right, but the body color is not factory. In the early 80s, quite a few were uglified by installing a vinyl top on the roof. (ala the period GM hunks o junk with 10 foot hoods and vinyl fake floptops.) Never seen a factory two tone paint job. Colors are all wrong. Something is fishy about this car... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Detailing interior
A kit I read about long ago had some kind of colored compound (probably like shoe goo) that went in the crack after some sort of reinforcement material was glued under the damaged area. If the edges can be approximated exactly, I imagine ordinary shoe-goo would work well. Jim may have used it to repair upholstery. Gerry From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Would shoe goo be a good option to repair a tear? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Many thanks to all for the suggestions. Also going to try the brushes down in the 240D medallion on the trunk lid which wouldn't clean up with Q-tips. Gerry P.S. Can anyone suggest a kit for patching a small tear in the MB-tex on a seat? .. Now that the outside of the '83 240D is waxed, (already had a compliment on it), the inside is next. All suggestions appreciated; especially about preservatives for the plastic parts. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4774 - Release Date: 01/29/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Leatherique 'dye' (a latex paint) looks perfect. The problem is the cracks. (Not sure about holes.) I 'fixed' a cracked 107 dash with Leatherique crack filler, textured it with a butter knife as it dried, and painted over it all with an airbrush to get the paint texture just right. Many thin coats. Looked magnificent when it was all done. First time in the car when the sun hit it the dash expanded greatly, and squeezed all the crack filler out in bulgy lines! You could always tell how hot it was in the car by the state of the toothpaste lines in the dash. A dashboard is an evil place. You'd have to fill the cracks with urethane foam, of the same expansion coefficient and strength as the base material, not getting it all over and filled to just below surface level, skin it over with crack filler to get the texture right, and then paint. With enough care and luck it might even look good and hold up. Or do what I did and put a dash cap on it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Detailing interior
Would shoe goo be a good option to repair a tear? Not really. To do it right I'd take a heavy piece of canvas or leather and put it behind the tear, and glue it in place with fabric glue. (A rubber-based glue.) Then fill the crack with Leatherique's crack filler and dye (paint) the seat. Might be easiest to apply the patch from behind, which means that it's just as much work as to just replace the seat cover with new. Price of materials to fix it right could run to a substantial fraction of the new cover's price, you should check with Rusty. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
Vancouver is the armpit of Washington state, just over the river from PDX. You, sir, have obviously never been to Aberdeen! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S65 is not for sale by me
We are casually shopping for a passenger van, so sometime in the next few weeks we will probably be out that way - I'm sure the Chevy sales guy could roust up an MB tag and/or surround. I will warn you,the tags are probably just poster paper. Or would you rather not have it if we can get it honestly? :) You've seen Hendrick Motorsports? -Tim Wonders why Wilton hates Hendrick dealer On Jan 25, 2012 9:03 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: That's pretty flash, although the average service costs would probably be the same as what my TE is worth. BTW I have no affiliation with that mob http://hendrickmb.com/ although I wouldn't mind the plate that's on the back of the beast. So if anyone in NC has a few minutes to spare and happens to find themselves at Hendrick motors with a screwdriver... Hendrik who is starting to understand why everyone loves to put a c in his name E M wrote: If you guys have 25 minutes or so to kill, here's a nice S Class on YouTube. Maybe not a 560SEL, but I think I could live with it! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=bJHhyAwiz1Efeature=g-vrec** context=G2f0b2f8RVAghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHhyAwiz1Efeature=g-vreccontext=G2f0b2f8RVAg Ed 300E __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
They haven't been out long here so long term its hard to say. Supposed to be very fun cars to drive and quite easy on fuel. If I had that kind of money burning a hole in my pocket I'd probably pick one up. -Curt Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:38:23 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT. My BMW project- Metalwork Message-ID: CAC35L=vRxT=+_igge9o_ffbegnndqfqnd8rzftgzdg5ccc-...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My son may want to buy a BMW 335 D to replace his toasted Subaru. Any thoughts as to reliability, etc.? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
1920x1200 is a 16x10 monitor. From what I saw almost all 24 monitors are 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I didn't want a larger monitor as I don't have the desk space for it, the 24 clears the printer and scanner by ~1/2. I can't see my needing any more real estate, I'm only using the left 2/3 of the screen most of the time now. -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:22:02 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID: cacncphkwmabn18e9a-awargkg-0pjqk4-+kgiu63upn5jbd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It may be different on a PC, but for Mac I prefer larger than 1920x1200 resolution. I have a 17 laptop that runs at 1920x1200. I think 2560x1600 on a 27 would be nice. Two full screen windows with extra real screen space. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
Yesterday I started taking apart the replacement door, and the farther along I got the less happy I got. It was in worse shape than I'd thought, the whole bottom channel for the weatherstripping was rusted away, and there was a lot of rust in the door bottom too. Looks like it started under the weatherstrip itself, and worked its way in from there. (Rather than plugged drain holes causing rust to start on the inside and work out.) The window tracks are messed up, which made it bind on the way up, which caused PO to use too much torque on the handle which flexed the door's inner metal panel and cracked it over time. So I'm looking at a serious amount of rust repair and some welding, all for a door that's the wrong color anyway. Ick. OTOH I could just wait for a better door to come along, if I could get the bent door working better. (I'd planned on this possibility all along, the door itself was cheap enough that if all I got out of it was a handle and the piece of belt trim I'd still be happy.) Figuring I had very little to lose I opened up the damaged door and removed the remains of the ruined door handle, and started hammering the metal back out. I used a chunk of maple firewood that tapered down to about 1/2x1-1/2 or so, yet had a mallet-sized big end which I could hit. The thin tapered end reached through the holes in the door's inner panel, allowing me to direct the force better than a big chunk would. Being wood it's softer than metal and less likely to poke dimples into the panel. I had my son hold the door while I whacked away. I also used a big crowbar to pry and pound at the crease lines in the metalwork (the ones that belong there). I used various small crowbars of my acquaintance to hook through the door handle holes and pull out, trying to restore the correct profile in the area without doing too much further damage. That actually went fairly well. I removed the bottom trim strip and found that most of the damage at the bottom was to the strip itself, which is metal with plastic molded around it. (The strip comes off with one 8mm nut at the trailing edge, behind a snap-in plastic cap, and a hook at the front. I had to break it loose from the plastic retaining clips along the middle and then pull backwards to release the front hook.) I think I'll be able to restore the strip to usability on the anvil. (The replacement door's strip was pried off, breaking off both the hook and the retaining screw.) At this point the door opened and closed well again, you could use a finger to grab the latch release eye and pull the door open. The inner lock mechanism worked fine. It no longer scraped at the front as it opened. Pretty good for a first cut at the problem, I thought. With this it was time to address the door handle itself. The replacement, naturally, had no key and its weather door was long-gone. But it was all there. The original was shattered into pieces, but its key cylinder was untouched. (The actuating rod was bent, however.) I found a bent siding trim nail in the metal recycling bin that looked to be about the same diameter as the roll pin that holds the actuating rod mechanism to the lock cylinder. I straightened that and had my son hold the handle against a makeshift anvil while I drove the roll pin out. (I had to straighten the nail a few times along the way.) Once the pin was out the lock cylinder pulled straight out of the handle. (Make sure the key is in the cylinder while you do this, and don't lose the lock's torsion spring as it comes loose! If you remove the key you could lose all the spring-loaded lock wafers, or at least mix them all up and no longer be able to open the lock.) I then cleaned the lock guts with brake cleaner, removing the dirt and grime. I then re-lubricated the lock wafers with spray graphite lock lube. We then took apart the replacement handle the same way. Its lock was full of dirt and grunge, the missing weather door had obviously been necessary. I tried to straighten the bent operating rod, but it was pot metal and broke, no surprise. The replacement had a differently-shaped end where it engaged the latch, but seemed to work OK nonetheless. I put the good handle back together with the original lock cylinder and the replacement's operating rod, we reversed the anvil/roll pin operation. Once it was together the key operated as it should, and I slipped the handle into position. It worked! I then tightened the three screws. At this point the door was fully operational, but still could use some more cosmetic shaping of the metal, and the trim pieces repaired and replaced. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 110 Heresey Was: R107 heresey now Heresy
LOL, I'll have to remember that one! ;-) Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 08:28, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Kind of like what we called Kentucky chrome as a kid Dan former Rust Belt inhabitant Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:04 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: We refer to that shade of metallic bronze, as rust, up here in Canada. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:39, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Yeah, that looks like some sort of metallic bronze, which I would not expect on a 200D, perhaps on a S class. Hendrik who has no vinyl on the roof Dieselhead wrote: There were a few factory two tones. Very few in a 110. The top color may be right, but the body color is not factory. In the early 80s, quite a few were uglified by installing a vinyl top on the roof. (ala the period GM hunks o junk with 10 foot hoods and vinyl fake floptops.) Never seen a factory two tone paint job. Colors are all wrong. Something is fishy about this car... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
I bought a 'dash overlay' which worked pretty well. Don't remeber where I got it though. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
Reminds me of the California coupes they made with the 107s (?) that had a removable hard top but no convertible top. What's the point? Dan On Jan 29, 2012, at 10:20 AM, WILTON wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
ATTABOY! Keep eyes out for a better door; meanwhile you can keep picking at the original one and may make it good enough that you don't need another one. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving Yesterday I started taking apart the replacement door, and the farther along I got the less happy I got. It was in worse shape than I'd thought, the whole bottom channel for the weatherstripping was rusted away, and there was a lot of rust in the door bottom too. Looks like it started under the weatherstrip itself, and worked its way in from there. (Rather than plugged drain holes causing rust to start on the inside and work out.) The window tracks are messed up, which made it bind on the way up, which caused PO to use too much torque on the handle which flexed the door's inner metal panel and cracked it over time. So I'm looking at a serious amount of rust repair and some welding, all for a door that's the wrong color anyway. Ick. OTOH I could just wait for a better door to come along, if I could get the bent door working better. (I'd planned on this possibility all along, the door itself was cheap enough that if all I got out of it was a handle and the piece of belt trim I'd still be happy.) Figuring I had very little to lose I opened up the damaged door and removed the remains of the ruined door handle, and started hammering the metal back out. I used a chunk of maple firewood that tapered down to about 1/2x1-1/2 or so, yet had a mallet-sized big end which I could hit. The thin tapered end reached through the holes in the door's inner panel, allowing me to direct the force better than a big chunk would. Being wood it's softer than metal and less likely to poke dimples into the panel. I had my son hold the door while I whacked away. I also used a big crowbar to pry and pound at the crease lines in the metalwork (the ones that belong there). I used various small crowbars of my acquaintance to hook through the door handle holes and pull out, trying to restore the correct profile in the area without doing too much further damage. That actually went fairly well. I removed the bottom trim strip and found that most of the damage at the bottom was to the strip itself, which is metal with plastic molded around it. (The strip comes off with one 8mm nut at the trailing edge, behind a snap-in plastic cap, and a hook at the front. I had to break it loose from the plastic retaining clips along the middle and then pull backwards to release the front hook.) I think I'll be able to restore the strip to usability on the anvil. (The replacement door's strip was pried off, breaking off both the hook and the retaining screw.) At this point the door opened and closed well again, you could use a finger to grab the latch release eye and pull the door open. The inner lock mechanism worked fine. It no longer scraped at the front as it opened. Pretty good for a first cut at the problem, I thought. With this it was time to address the door handle itself. The replacement, naturally, had no key and its weather door was long-gone. But it was all there. The original was shattered into pieces, but its key cylinder was untouched. (The actuating rod was bent, however.) I found a bent siding trim nail in the metal recycling bin that looked to be about the same diameter as the roll pin that holds the actuating rod mechanism to the lock cylinder. I straightened that and had my son hold the handle against a makeshift anvil while I drove the roll pin out. (I had to straighten the nail a few times along the way.) Once the pin was out the lock cylinder pulled straight out of the handle. (Make sure the key is in the cylinder while you do this, and don't lose the lock's torsion spring as it comes loose! If you remove the key you could lose all the spring-loaded lock wafers, or at least mix them all up and no longer be able to open the lock.) I then cleaned the lock guts with brake cleaner, removing the dirt and grime. I then re-lubricated the lock wafers with spray graphite lock lube. We then took apart the replacement handle the same way. Its lock was full of dirt and grunge, the missing weather door had obviously been necessary. I tried to straighten the bent operating rod, but it was pot metal and broke, no surprise. The replacement had a differently-shaped end where it engaged the latch, but seemed to work OK nonetheless. I put the good handle back together with the original lock cylinder and the replacement's operating rod, we reversed the anvil/roll pin operation. Once it was together the key operated as it should, and I slipped the handle into position. It worked! I then tightened the three screws. At this point the door was fully operational, but still could use some more cosmetic shaping of the metal, and the trim pieces repaired and
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
#1 grandson's '85 Bimmer has a dash overlay - looks good. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash I bought a 'dash overlay' which worked pretty well. Don't remeber where I got it though. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Not a fan of dash overlays, but thanks for the suggestion anyway, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a 'dash overlay' which worked pretty well. Don't remeber where I got it though. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Hmmm, who might sell those Coverlay dash caps? Hmmm. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash I bought a 'dash overlay' which worked pretty well. Don't remeber where I got it though. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
A tip on Kentucky Windage style door work. [just good enough to work style]. As you work the inside with your wooden hammer driven ram have your helper back up the blows with a piece of 4x4 wood. [two 2x4 nailed together will work, you just want some mass to strike against and push the door skin back to nearly smooth... Once you get going at creating the wreck in reverse you will quickly get a feel for how the metal can be moved without stretching it. Good luck. Grant... [In Arizona where rust free cars are thrown away every day] On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Yesterday I started taking apart the replacement door, and the farther along I got the less happy I got. It was in worse shape than I'd thought, the whole bottom channel for the weatherstripping was rusted away, and there was a lot of rust in the door bottom too. Looks like it started under the weatherstrip itself, and worked its way in from there. (Rather than plugged drain holes causing rust to start on the inside and work out.) The window tracks are messed up, which made it bind on the way up, which caused PO to use too much torque on the handle which flexed the door's inner metal panel and cracked it over time. So I'm looking at a serious amount of rust repair and some welding, all for a door that's the wrong color anyway. Ick. OTOH I could just wait for a better door to come along, if I could get the bent door working better. (I'd planned on this possibility all along, the door itself was cheap enough that if all I got out of it was a handle and the piece of belt trim I'd still be happy.) Figuring I had very little to lose I opened up the damaged door and removed the remains of the ruined door handle, and started hammering the metal back out. I used a chunk of maple firewood that tapered down to about 1/2x1-1/2 or so, yet had a mallet-sized big end which I could hit. The thin tapered end reached through the holes in the door's inner panel, allowing me to direct the force better than a big chunk would. Being wood it's softer than metal and less likely to poke dimples into the panel. I had my son hold the door while I whacked away. I also used a big crowbar to pry and pound at the crease lines in the metalwork (the ones that belong there). I used various small crowbars of my acquaintance to hook through the door handle holes and pull out, trying to restore the correct profile in the area without doing too much further damage. That actually went fairly well. I removed the bottom trim strip and found that most of the damage at the bottom was to the strip itself, which is metal with plastic molded around it. (The strip comes off with one 8mm nut at the trailing edge, behind a snap-in plastic cap, and a hook at the front. I had to break it loose from the plastic retaining clips along the middle and then pull backwards to release the front hook.) I think I'll be able to restore the strip to usability on the anvil. (The replacement door's strip was pried off, breaking off both the hook and the retaining screw.) At this point the door opened and closed well again, you could use a finger to grab the latch release eye and pull the door open. The inner lock mechanism worked fine. It no longer scraped at the front as it opened. Pretty good for a first cut at the problem, I thought. With this it was time to address the door handle itself. The replacement, naturally, had no key and its weather door was long-gone. But it was all there. The original was shattered into pieces, but its key cylinder was untouched. (The actuating rod was bent, however.) I found a bent siding trim nail in the metal recycling bin that looked to be about the same diameter as the roll pin that holds the actuating rod mechanism to the lock cylinder. I straightened that and had my son hold the handle against a makeshift anvil while I drove the roll pin out. (I had to straighten the nail a few times along the way.) Once the pin was out the lock cylinder pulled straight out of the handle. (Make sure the key is in the cylinder while you do this, and don't lose the lock's torsion spring as it comes loose! If you remove the key you could lose all the spring-loaded lock wafers, or at least mix them all up and no longer be able to open the lock.) I then cleaned the lock guts with brake cleaner, removing the dirt and grime. I then re-lubricated the lock wafers with spray graphite lock lube. We then took apart the replacement handle the same way. Its lock was full of dirt and grunge, the missing weather door had obviously been necessary. I tried to straighten the bent operating rod, but it was pot metal and broke, no surprise. The replacement had a differently-shaped end where it engaged the latch, but seemed to work OK nonetheless. I put the good handle back together with the original lock cylinder and the replacement's operating rod, we reversed the
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Jabba? Autohausaz? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, who might sell those Coverlay dash caps? Hmmm. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash I bought a 'dash overlay' which worked pretty well. Don't remeber where I got it though. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
On Jan 29, 2012, at 10:46 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Grant... [In Arizona where rust free cars are thrown away every day] Yeah, I know. Almost brings me to tears thinking about it. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
Both of mine have'em, of course, but I rather they didn't; I've never opened either one of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
Jim Cathey wrote: At this point the door was fully operational, but still could use some more cosmetic shaping of the metal, and the trim pieces repaired and replaced. This is the CW car, right? Let the remaining damage be a reminder to the driver as they enter the car? You deserve an attaboy (and a set of roll pin punches, too bad Harbor Freight no longer has them, and their pin punches tend to be too soft). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
BTW, in Nov '79, I'd had the new '80 240D 'bout 2 weeks. I was sawing stiles for the kitchen cabinets in house that I had built. New 240D was sitting in garage just outside the open double doors of the adjoining workshop. I let the saw throw a 2-inch wide piece of wood into left rear quarter panel of the car. Luckily, I was at home alone. I agonized for few minutes about what to do about the significant ding in side of the BRAND NEW car. 'Removed inner, side panel in trunk; 'wrapped towel around brick; 'held brick tightly to outside of dinged place; 'struck the inside of it twice with hammer. Ding disappeared! 'Re-installed inner panel. 'Haven't told SWMBO 'bout it yet. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving Jim Cathey wrote: At this point the door was fully operational, but still could use some more cosmetic shaping of the metal, and the trim pieces repaired and replaced. This is the CW car, right? Let the remaining damage be a reminder to the driver as they enter the car? You deserve an attaboy (and a set of roll pin punches, too bad Harbor Freight no longer has them, and their pin punches tend to be too soft). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
This is the CW car, right? Yes, the Chicken Wagon. Formerly faded and with one weird surface rust patch (egg damage?), but almost completely straight and rust-free. And 310kmi and purring like a kitten. Up 'til now all it really needed was paint, and for me to install that good dashboard I have for it. Let the remaining damage be a reminder to the driver as they enter the car? Believe me, I've been thinking about that! Fortunately she doesn't read this list. All of our recent 'wrecks' have been with her at the wheel. Huh. I had one tire come apart that did some damage, and there was that one suicidal dog, but Shoe Goo put the grille right again... The non-rust bodywork has so far all been on her. (SDL rear-ended, SDL T-boned by a deer, 190D rear-ended, 300D slapped down that stop sign. Fortunately no damage when she flew off the freeway in the SL, but that one could have been _real_ bad.) I wonder why I'm resistant to buying newer cars? (and a set of roll pin punches, too bad Harbor Freight no longer has them, and their pin punches tend to be too soft). I have a pin punch or two, but nothing that small. I'd worry about breaking off a tool steel punch anyway, and I've had extremely good luck using nails for this kind of thing. You just have to straighten them once in awhile, which makes them hardly different than many HF tools as it is. Just one more use for a BFH anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
I always likes the manual sunroof I had in my 79 300TD. Simple and easy to use, no messing with motors and grease Dan On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:17 PM, WILTON wrote: Both of mine have'em, of course, but I rather they didn't; I've never opened either one of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Bad day for driving
As you work the inside with your wooden hammer driven ram have your helper back up the blows with a piece of 4x4 wood. I will keep that in mind, we should have another session today. I think, however, in keeping with the spirit of the thing I'll use another piece of firewood, maybe run it through the bandsaw first to clean up an edge. Or maybe the surface jointer. We have a lot of chain-sawn blocks due to how we came about getting the wood, it wouldn't take much to clean one of them up a bit. Nice and solid! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
What's the point [of a California coupe]? If it's built without the soft top altogether there's more room in the back seat area. Think SLC back seat instead of SL back seat, though not with as much leg room I'm sure. If you rarely _need_ a top at all that might be sort of attractive. But only in select areas of the country. Such as SoCal. Our converted 250C is a California coupe. Except that the hard top also leaks in the rain. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD in St Louis
It needs a battery, The steering is sloppy, 1985 ~287000 miles I think the front tranny seal may bee leaking. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD in St Louis On 18/01/2012 11:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: What year? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Mike Pilesmikepi...@charter.net wrote: Anyone interested in a 300SD in ST Louis ___ How much and what is wrong with it that you know of? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4751 - Release Date: 01/18/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
struck the inside of it twice with hammer. Ding disappeared! So nice of the saw to be kind and ding the car where you _could_ get a hammer behind it! I could do a _much_ better job on the CW if I could freely get a hammer behind it all. But it's a door, so you can't. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
The main reason for wanting to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1660 is that you can have two full screen windows up at the same time. On my 17 laptop screen which runs 1920x1200, I end up minimizing or sending one halfway off the scene a lot of the time when I'm working on two documents at the same time. Or if you're writing a program and have an editor in one window and a web browser in the window. With a 27 running 2560x1440 this wouldn't be necessary. I've put up with it for 4-1/2 years so its not a killer, but for my next computer I'm seriously considered a smaller screen laptop with a 27 or a 27 iMac. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 1920x1200 is a 16x10 monitor. From what I saw almost all 24 monitors are 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I didn't want a larger monitor as I don't have the desk space for it, the 24 clears the printer and scanner by ~1/2. I can't see my needing any more real estate, I'm only using the left 2/3 of the screen most of the time now. -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:22:02 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID: cacncphkwmabn18e9a-awargkg-0pjqk4-+kgiu63upn5jbd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It may be different on a PC, but for Mac I prefer larger than 1920x1200 resolution. I have a 17 laptop that runs at 1920x1200. I think 2560x1600 on a 27 would be nice. Two full screen windows with extra real screen space. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
In '56, I pried and hammered out a bent left rear fender on my '51 Chevy; used tire tool as pry bar. 'Sanded off resulting pimples on outside; primed/painted for perfect with original metallic green. 'Sprayed paint with vac cleaner, BTW, the same one I now use to power my $2 oil sucker/topsider. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving Jim Cathey wrote: At this point the door was fully operational, but still could use some more cosmetic shaping of the metal, and the trim pieces repaired and replaced. This is the CW car, right? Let the remaining damage be a reminder to the driver as they enter the car? You deserve an attaboy (and a set of roll pin punches, too bad Harbor Freight no longer has them, and their pin punches tend to be too soft). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
On Jan 29, 2012 7:43 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not a fan of dash overlays, but thanks for the suggestion anyway, Why not? A good one (Coverlay) properly applied is virtually undetectable. I didn't know my '87 had one until I pulled the instrument panel to replace the bulbs. (Hey, what's this extra layer of plastic... oh!) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
As a native New Yorker and a naturalized Vancouverite I sincerely resent that!!! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel On Jan 28, 2012 3:19 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/2781517408.html I see it's in Vancouver. Were those ever sold in USA? Yes, they were. That's Vancouver, WA--Portland's New Jersey. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
Clay, I would have to be on Banned to give you an appropriate reply to your post! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay monroe Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel Vancouver is the armpit of Washington state, just over the river from PDX. Sold them left and right in the early 80's. clay On Jan 28, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/2781517408.html IIRC this was one of the weirder products of the Renault/AMC collaboration of the '80s. If this is the same engine as in Peugeots of the same era, it's probably almost as bulletproof as an OM616. You're not going to see another one of these the next time you go four-wheeling! I see it's in Vancouver. Were those ever sold in USA? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
Interesting. I have seen a number of them around here for some reason, and when I have, I never really paid that much attention, as I immediately lost interest. I had a friend who wanted to buy one that asked me to do a PPI on it for him. That's when I first discovered what they were and the differences between them and a real convertible. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: What's the point [of a California coupe]? If it's built without the soft top altogether there's more room in the back seat area. Think SLC back seat instead of SL back seat, though not with as much leg room I'm sure. If you rarely _need_ a top at all that might be sort of attractive. But only in select areas of the country. Such as SoCal. Our converted 250C is a California coupe. Except that the hard top also leaks in the rain. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Yes I have a friend who put a Coverlay on his 85 300D blue dash- -it was undetectable. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 29, 2012 7:43 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not a fan of dash overlays, but thanks for the suggestion anyway, Why not? A good one (Coverlay) properly applied is virtually undetectable. I didn't know my '87 had one until I pulled the instrument panel to replace the bulbs. (Hey, what's this extra layer of plastic... oh!) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Bad day for driving
Should work well with a piece of hardwood. Sheet metal actually flows when you work it right. Play with it a bit and you will be surprised at how smooth you can get it. Add a few layers of masking tape to the backing block and you can often preserve the original paint pretty well. Want a good rust free Arizona door? I could look for one if you give me exactly what you are looking for. HTH, Grant.. AZ... On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: As you work the inside with your wooden hammer driven ram have your helper back up the blows with a piece of 4x4 wood. I will keep that in mind, we should have another session today. I think, however, in keeping with the spirit of the thing I'll use another piece of firewood, maybe run it through the bandsaw first to clean up an edge. Or maybe the surface jointer. We have a lot of chain-sawn blocks due to how we came about getting the wood, it wouldn't take much to clean one of them up a bit. Nice and solid! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
I remember there was a thread awhile back about a California coupe, but I can't remember just what it was? Refresh my memory please ? Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 13:15, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: What's the point [of a California coupe]? If it's built without the soft top altogether there's more room in the back seat area. Think SLC back seat instead of SL back seat, though not with as much leg room I'm sure. If you rarely _need_ a top at all that might be sort of attractive. But only in select areas of the country. Such as SoCal. Our converted 250C is a California coupe. Except that the hard top also leaks in the rain. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
I'd prefer to have the couple of extra inches of headroom. All my cars also have cruise control. I've never once used it, not sure I'd even know how to. I'm sure it's useful to some, but I don't see the point. I've driven hours and hundreds of miles at a time, without ever feeling I need it. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 12:17, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Both of mine have'em, of course, but I rather they didn't; I've never opened either one of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? Head gasket was a trouble spot on those. Allan Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: They haven't been out long here so long term its hard to say. Supposed to be very fun cars to drive and quite easy on fuel. If I had that kind of money burning a hole in my pocket I'd probably pick one up. -Curt Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:38:23 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT. My BMW project- Metalwork Message-ID: CAC35L=vRxT=+_igge9o_ffbegnndqfqnd8rzftgzdg5ccc-...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My son may want to buy a BMW 335 D to replace his toasted Subaru. Any thoughts as to reliability, etc.? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: The main reason for wanting to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1660 is that you can have two full screen windows up at the same time. Two separate, smaller monitors used to the the cheaper way to do this, as prices went up exponentially with size. Not sure the difference is as great these days. Also assuming your video card supports it. I'm looking at some surplus Intel-baed iMacs right now, university surplus wants about $600-700 for them, for which I could buy a NEW Mac Mini, but then I'd need monitor(s). iMac already has one and supports connecting a second monitor, I believe. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
I think there are two good solutions: 1) Wait (a long time) until a good crash free one appears on eBay and exchange it. It happens, believe me. 2) Buy a black one and spray it blue. Exchanging the dash is a lot of work, but not unreasonable or as bad as you might think... you can do it in a few hours. Once upon a time, I bought crack free blue dash for a W201 on ebay and exchanged it... it was surprisingly easy. But with the dash removed, the interior looks like a bomb went off it in and its somewhat intimidating! Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
I also should add that if you decide to use a dash cover, be careful with how you secure it. I'd much rather buy a car with a few cracks in the blue dash than a dash cover thats glued in place. In other words, make sure its removable with out damage to the original dash. With some, there are issues accessing the speakers once the cover is in place also. People say you can't tell the difference... you can if you're critical to attention to detail. Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I think there are two good solutions: 1) Wait (a long time) until a good crash free one appears on eBay and exchange it. It happens, believe me. 2) Buy a black one and spray it blue. Exchanging the dash is a lot of work, but not unreasonable or as bad as you might think... you can do it in a few hours. Once upon a time, I bought crack free blue dash for a W201 on ebay and exchanged it... it was surprisingly easy. But with the dash removed, the interior looks like a bomb went off it in and its somewhat intimidating! Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Replace all the vacuum pods while you have the dash out Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I think there are two good solutions: 1) Wait (a long time) until a good crash free one appears on eBay and exchange it. It happens, believe me. 2) Buy a black one and spray it blue. Exchanging the dash is a lot of work, but not unreasonable or as bad as you might think... you can do it in a few hours. Once upon a time, I bought crack free blue dash for a W201 on ebay and exchanged it... it was surprisingly easy. But with the dash removed, the interior looks like a bomb went off it in and its somewhat intimidating! Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
You have to be pretty blind not to be able to tell the difference Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I also should add that if you decide to use a dash cover, be careful with how you secure it. I'd much rather buy a car with a few cracks in the blue dash than a dash cover thats glued in place. In other words, make sure its removable with out damage to the original dash. With some, there are issues accessing the speakers once the cover is in place also. People say you can't tell the difference... you can if you're critical to attention to detail. Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I think there are two good solutions: 1) Wait (a long time) until a good crash free one appears on eBay and exchange it. It happens, believe me. 2) Buy a black one and spray it blue. Exchanging the dash is a lot of work, but not unreasonable or as bad as you might think... you can do it in a few hours. Once upon a time, I bought crack free blue dash for a W201 on ebay and exchanged it... it was surprisingly easy. But with the dash removed, the interior looks like a bomb went off it in and its somewhat intimidating! Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
I have made a number of visits to the Aberdeen/Hoquiam area. Having lived in Vancouver, I would have to give the coast the benefit of the doubt as to quality of life. Might be Aberdeen is the pustule upon the buttock of the state, but Vancouver claims the armpit. I am certain one can still get opossum pie in Vancouver. clay On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Vancouver is the armpit of Washington state, just over the river from PDX. You, sir, have obviously never been to Aberdeen! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD in St Louis
How much? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Mike Piles mikepi...@charter.net wrote: It needs a battery, The steering is sloppy, 1985 ~287000 miles I think the front tranny seal may bee leaking. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD in St Louis On 18/01/2012 11:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: What year? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Mike Pilesmikepi...@charter.net wrote: Anyone interested in a 300SD in ST Louis ___ How much and what is wrong with it that you know of? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4751 - Release Date: 01/18/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
A fine 21/22 inch screen will suffice for most of your computing needs. I decided to invest in multiple monitors to increase my screen real estate. Allows for multi-tasking such that each screen hosts its own mess, It has also been a great way to get the lightbox for S.A.D. lumens. Have to tune the screens into the bluer side of the spectrum. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: 1920x1200 is a 16x10 monitor. From what I saw almost all 24 monitors are 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I didn't want a larger monitor as I don't have the desk space for it, the 24 clears the printer and scanner by ~1/2. I can't see my needing any more real estate, I'm only using the left 2/3 of the screen most of the time now. -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:22:02 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor Message-ID: cacncphkwmabn18e9a-awargkg-0pjqk4-+kgiu63upn5jbd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It may be different on a PC, but for Mac I prefer larger than 1920x1200 resolution. I have a 17 laptop that runs at 1920x1200. I think 2560x1600 on a 27 would be nice. Two full screen windows with extra real screen space. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
Apple sells their 27 display for $900 or $1000 that also serves more or less as a docking station. One cable bundle from the monitor for laptop charging thunderbolt which will carries video along with everything else. A few years ago their 30 was considerably more expensive. Even if you have a 17 laptop, you could still drive a 27-30 display at 2560x1400 or 2560x1600 simultaneously(not mirrored). I did this at my friend's who has the 30. The Mac Mini is an interesting machine. A buddy of mine has one he uses as a server. It has no local display, everything he he does with it is done remotely. Based on the cost of an iMac vs MacMini, both with displays, I think the iMac is a better value. $1700 vs roughly $2000 if you want quad-core. I really wish Apple would release something that is a combination of Time Capsule and Apple TV. I can't justify spending so much on all these separate units. Right now I use Time Machine with a local hard drive, a phone company provided DSL router, and an Apple Airport Express for streaming music. If the Time Capsule could stream music then I could repurpose my existing Airport Express, return the phone company DSL router, and get the local hard drive off my desk - replacing three devices with one. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: The main reason for wanting to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1660 is that you can have two full screen windows up at the same time. Two separate, smaller monitors used to the the cheaper way to do this, as prices went up exponentially with size. Not sure the difference is as great these days. Also assuming your video card supports it. I'm looking at some surplus Intel-baed iMacs right now, university surplus wants about $600-700 for them, for which I could buy a NEW Mac Mini, but then I'd need monitor(s). iMac already has one and supports connecting a second monitor, I believe. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
As described below, it's a 107 chassis with a hardtop and tonneau cover for the space under the hard top when removed. There is no soft top, nor is there a frame for it. It is essentially a coupe with a removable top, NOT a convertible. I don't think many were made, and it's unlikely that you would see one unless you live in a temperate part of the continent, like SoCal or Florida. I just looked at my signed and numbered copy of John Olson's the SL experience, and found only a passing reference to the Californian, with no data on number produced. Dan On Jan 29, 2012, at 3:10 PM, E M wrote: I remember there was a thread awhile back about a California coupe, but I can't remember just what it was? Refresh my memory please ? Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 13:15, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: What's the point [of a California coupe]? If it's built without the soft top altogether there's more room in the back seat area. Think SLC back seat instead of SL back seat, though not with as much leg room I'm sure. If you rarely _need_ a top at all that might be sort of attractive. But only in select areas of the country. Such as SoCal. Our converted 250C is a California coupe. Except that the hard top also leaks in the rain. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
What, pray tell, is so special about that rat hole of a town? SWMBA comes from there, my oldest was born there, I lived there for a time, and so far, I have found nothing of lasting value in the place. Except for SWMBA's grandmother. She is a jewel, but ended up in Vancouver, after moving from Skamania. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Clay, I would have to be on Banned to give you an appropriate reply to your post! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay monroe Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel Vancouver is the armpit of Washington state, just over the river from PDX. Sold them left and right in the early 80's. clay On Jan 28, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/2781517408.html IIRC this was one of the weirder products of the Renault/AMC collaboration of the '80s. If this is the same engine as in Peugeots of the same era, it's probably almost as bulletproof as an OM616. You're not going to see another one of these the next time you go four-wheeling! I see it's in Vancouver. Were those ever sold in USA? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
How new are the iMac? They do support extended and mirroring, but at that price, I would be looking at the 2009 as oldest to be of that value. You can source a nice MacPro that is much more upgradable for the same price off of eBay. I jacked up mine to 32 gig ram and 1 gig Vram to support three monitors. Running four 1 gig drives, one set as RAID, internally and external RAID for time machine. clay On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: The main reason for wanting to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1660 is that you can have two full screen windows up at the same time. Two separate, smaller monitors used to the the cheaper way to do this, as prices went up exponentially with size. Not sure the difference is as great these days. Also assuming your video card supports it. I'm looking at some surplus Intel-baed iMacs right now, university surplus wants about $600-700 for them, for which I could buy a NEW Mac Mini, but then I'd need monitor(s). iMac already has one and supports connecting a second monitor, I believe. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
Wonder if it was just a cost saving thing dreamed up by the marketing guys? They couldn't pitch such a car as a lightweight speedster. I guess they could, they've been cheeky enough to keep the SL badge on it all these years. ;-) hee hee A car that requires even more faith in the weather man to drive, than a Ferrari 550 Barchetta. And from those rational thinking Germans too. Who'd a thunk it. :-) Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:46, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: As described below, it's a 107 chassis with a hardtop and tonneau cover for the space under the hard top when removed. There is no soft top, nor is there a frame for it. It is essentially a coupe with a removable top, NOT a convertible. I don't think many were made, and it's unlikely that you would see one unless you live in a temperate part of the continent, like SoCal or Florida. I just looked at my signed and numbered copy of John Olson's the SL experience, and found only a passing reference to the Californian, with no data on number produced. Dan On Jan 29, 2012, at 3:10 PM, E M wrote: I remember there was a thread awhile back about a California coupe, but I can't remember just what it was? Refresh my memory please ? Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 13:15, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: What's the point [of a California coupe]? If it's built without the soft top altogether there's more room in the back seat area. Think SLC back seat instead of SL back seat, though not with as much leg room I'm sure. If you rarely _need_ a top at all that might be sort of attractive. But only in select areas of the country. Such as SoCal. Our converted 250C is a California coupe. Except that the hard top also leaks in the rain. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: How new are the iMac? They do support extended and mirroring, but at that price, I would be looking at the 2009 as oldest to be of that value. They probably are about 2009. University tends to replace desktops on a 3 year cycle. You can source a nice MacPro that is much more upgradable for the same price off of eBay. I jacked up mine to 32 gig ram and 1 gig Vram to support three monitors. Running four 1 gig drives, one set as RAID, internally and external RAID for time machine. I'll check that out, though I would have less trust buying off of eBay. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
I agree. The color is always a bit off and when you touch the dash the difference is clear. I'd also rather have a few cracks. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: People say you can't tell the difference... you can if you're critical to attention to detail. Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I think there are two good solutions: 1) Wait (a long time) until a good crash free one appears on eBay and exchange it. It happens, believe me. 2) Buy a black one and spray it blue. Exchanging the dash is a lot of work, but not unreasonable or as bad as you might think... you can do it in a few hours. Once upon a time, I bought crack free blue dash for a W201 on ebay and exchanged it... it was surprisingly easy. But with the dash removed, the interior looks like a bomb went off it in and its somewhat intimidating! Jaime On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:46 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have two W123 300TDs with dash issues. One has some cracks on the top of the dash, and the other has four small holes where the idiot PO mounted some sort of plaque. What makes him an uber-idiot is that he had replaced the dash and it was pristine prior to drilling those holes. Anyway, how good are the various blue dyes (e.g., Leatherique) in matching the OEM blue color on a touchup basis? Or will I need to fill the cracks and holes and respray each dash in its entirety? Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
I just love those Cathey stories! If I only had half his ability to resurrect things that seem to be unserviceable, I would be happy! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these
'Really enjoy the cruise cont on the 350SDL; makes it seem even more like flying. CC on the 87 300D doesn't always hold well. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I'd prefer to have the couple of extra inches of headroom. All my cars also have cruise control. I've never once used it, not sure I'd even know how to. I'm sure it's useful to some, but I don't see the point. I've driven hours and hundreds of miles at a time, without ever feeling I need it. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 12:17, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Both of mine have'em, of course, but I rather they didn't; I've never opened either one of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these Yeah, a lot of people have a thing for cutting the tops off cars, which I never understood. I personally prefer closed cars. With all this talk lately about transplanting engines, what I think would make a really cool project, would be to shoehorn a 6.3 into a 280SE coupe. That would be a super Q car, without all the flash a lot of the current AMG models have. A gentleman's GT express. :-) Could probably make it all happen too, with only a medium size hammer. hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 00:36, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I got really excited when Friendship Classics in NW DC acquired a 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, silver with blue interior, asking only $60K for it (not that I have that kind of loose change, but market is well over $100K now). Turns out it was a coupe conversion by an owner in FL and the idiotic thing was that it was a sunroof coupe to begin with. Still had the s/r switch in the dash. Now that's heresy... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Gullwing prices are going through the roof it seems. Even a standard one in decent shape is going to set you back $6-700,000 these days. Still, I think they were undervalued for many years, and not given the proper respect they deserve in automotive history. A fellow I knew in the club years ago, traded a mint restored 300 SL for a Gullwing project car, that was pulled out of a pond. It wasn't a numbers matching car, but they did a lovely job restoring it. And best of all, it was a car he really enjoyed, drove regularly, and even took it on motoring holidays. If my numbers ever come in on the lottery, a Gullwing is still one of the cars on my short, wish list. :-) As for the G Wagon, I'd prefer to see Mercedes drop a V12 into something like the new CLS, before the G. As for the few G Wagons I've been in, I found the ergonomics kind of weird. Not weird for a truck, but not really a platform that is crying out for a twin turbo V12. hee hee. Ed 300E On 28 January 2012 16:26, relng...@aol.com wrote: Go here and look at the first four cars, scrolling down. www.mbworld.org RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
I was trying to be nice, Kaleb... On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: You have to be pretty blind not to be able to tell the difference ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
To some people can't tell the difference probably means looks good at a glance or maybe even looks better than the cracks not that it necessarily looks original. I have one of those velour mats on my dash in the 300D, and I think it looks better than the cracks but it's certainly obvious something is being covered up. Allan Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: I was trying to be nice, Kaleb... On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: You have to be pretty blind not to be able to tell the difference ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
Curt Raymond wrote: From what I saw almost all 24 monitors are 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I didn't want a larger monitor as I don't have the desk space for it, the 24 clears the printer and scanner by ~1/2. I can't see my needing any more real estate, I'm only using the left 2/3 of the screen most of the time now. Oh my. I think I could have a 20,000 x 4,000 screen and still fill it up! It's like toolboxes - there is no such thing as too much space. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad day for driving
Jim Cathey wrote: I have a pin punch or two, but nothing that small. I'd worry about breaking off a tool steel punch anyway, and I've had extremely good luck using nails for this kind of thing. When I use nails to drive roll pins, I grind the end flat so the point isn't trying to spread the pin when I'm trying to make it move. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
you would think. Using paypal, you are pretty safe, since the ebay/paypal duo skew toward the buyer, and screw the seller out of cash in a dispute. You have to spend a good two weeks pursuing the box you want. I have no idea what prices are going now, with the rumors that Apple is going to kill the Pro, since it is more machine than consumers need and has not had an update in two years. When I was looking I set a limit of $750 including shipping for the best system I could find. That seems to be the average threshold for a quality Mac. They can be had for less, if you are diligent, but I was not heavy into sniping and such, so just stuck with it until I got what I needed. CL is a fine place to look as well. Around here they think the MacPro is made of platinum, and price them stupid high. I have dual/dual core XEON 3.0. I picked up a G5 tower for $100 off CL. clay On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Allan Streib wrote: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: How new are the iMac? They do support extended and mirroring, but at that price, I would be looking at the 2009 as oldest to be of that value. They probably are about 2009. University tends to replace desktops on a 3 year cycle. You can source a nice MacPro that is much more upgradable for the same price off of eBay. I jacked up mine to 32 gig ram and 1 gig Vram to support three monitors. Running four 1 gig drives, one set as RAID, internally and external RAID for time machine. I'll check that out, though I would have less trust buying off of eBay. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
I am a cheap SOB and if I can get a nice result for a few bucks, I will run with it instead of paying retail for replacement that will age in a few years and end up with the same issue. I guess were I to want concourse, I would gladly shell out and then have a hermetically sealed vault to store the car in. Taking it out only on known mild sunny days, and staying at least 40 feet away from any other vehicle. clay On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote: To some people can't tell the difference probably means looks good at a glance or maybe even looks better than the cracks not that it necessarily looks original. I have one of those velour mats on my dash in the 300D, and I think it looks better than the cracks but it's certainly obvious something is being covered up. Allan Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: I was trying to be nice, Kaleb... On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: You have to be pretty blind not to be able to tell the difference ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
Really, you should hold off until the newest TV things come to market with 3d and 4k lines. Then you can plug in with HDMI and get all sorts of great resolution on your 60 inch screen. Supposed to not be able to discern pixels at 24 inches and you have 240mhz refresh clay On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: From what I saw almost all 24 monitors are 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I didn't want a larger monitor as I don't have the desk space for it, the 24 clears the printer and scanner by ~1/2. I can't see my needing any more real estate, I'm only using the left 2/3 of the screen most of the time now. Oh my. I think I could have a 20,000 x 4,000 screen and still fill it up! It's like toolboxes - there is no such thing as too much space. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Bought a new computer monitor
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: I picked up a G5 tower for $100 off CL. At this point I would not buy a PPC machine because the only reason I would buy a new (i.e. Intel) Mac is to get into iOS development, which you can't do on a PPC Mac. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Bottom line: you cant't fix a crack in the dash board unless you have a Williy's with naugahide glued to metal. The plastic surface gets brittle , curls up and the foam underneath opens up like the Grand Canyon. Sun and temp changes do that over time. Here in Houston, my '82 126 dash (pitch black) developed a crack. I ignore it. Car runs fine and is not going on the concourse in the Show Room category. I think Performance, J C Whitney, etc. sells them 'Coverlays'. Thanks god for AM people when OEM supplies run out. Google is your friend. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am a cheap SOB and if I can get a nice result for a few bucks, I will run with it instead of paying retail for replacement that will age in a few years and end up with the same issue. I guess were I to want concourse, I would gladly shell out and then have a hermetically sealed vault to store the car in. Taking it out only on known mild sunny days, and staying at least 40 feet away from any other vehicle. clay -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
...opossum pie... Don't knock it till you've tried it! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay monroe Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel I have made a number of visits to the Aberdeen/Hoquiam area. Having lived in Vancouver, I would have to give the coast the benefit of the doubt as to quality of life. Might be Aberdeen is the pustule upon the buttock of the state, but Vancouver claims the armpit. I am certain one can still get opossum pie in Vancouver. clay On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Vancouver is the armpit of Washington state, just over the river from PDX. You, sir, have obviously never been to Aberdeen! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
'Lucky so far that black dashes in both my 21-year-old 126 and 25-year-old 124 here in humid and sunny eastern NC are still not cracked. They both sit outside all the time, too. Fingers still crossed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash Bottom line: you cant't fix a crack in the dash board unless you have a Williy's with naugahide glued to metal. The plastic surface gets brittle , curls up and the foam underneath opens up like the Grand Canyon. Sun and temp changes do that over time. Here in Houston, my '82 126 dash (pitch black) developed a crack. I ignore it. Car runs fine and is not going on the concourse in the Show Room category. I think Performance, J C Whitney, etc. sells them 'Coverlays'. Thanks god for AM people when OEM supplies run out. Google is your friend. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am a cheap SOB and if I can get a nice result for a few bucks, I will run with it instead of paying retail for replacement that will age in a few years and end up with the same issue. I guess were I to want concourse, I would gladly shell out and then have a hermetically sealed vault to store the car in. Taking it out only on known mild sunny days, and staying at least 40 feet away from any other vehicle. clay -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: 'Lucky so far that black dashes in both my 21-year-old 126 and 25-year-old 124 here in humid and sunny eastern NC are still not cracked. They both sit outside all the time, too. Fingers still crossed. For some reason color makes a difference. You'd think black would be the worst but actually it's the blue ones. The dark brown dash in my 300SD is also cracked. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel
1. We moved here from Vancouver BC, so we didn't have to re-memorize the name of our town. 2. We live adjacent to the beautiful Salmon Creek trail. 3. The people are friendly. 4. The crime rate is low. 5. Commuting is easy. 6. One can experience the weirdness of Portland without being always immersed in it. 7. Low property taxes. 8. Decent schools. 9. No income taxes here, no sales tax just across the bridge. 10. Close to PDX, very convenient airport to use. 11. Decent housing at relatively good prices. I could think of lots more, but that's a good start. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay monroe Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel What, pray tell, is so special about that rat hole of a town? SWMBA comes from there, my oldest was born there, I lived there for a time, and so far, I have found nothing of lasting value in the place. Except for SWMBA's grandmother. She is a jewel, but ended up in Vancouver, after moving from Skamania. clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Clay, I would have to be on Banned to give you an appropriate reply to your post! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay monroe Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jeep Cherokee factory diesel Vancouver is the armpit of Washington state, just over the river from PDX. Sold them left and right in the early 80's. clay On Jan 28, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/2781517408.html IIRC this was one of the weirder products of the Renault/AMC collaboration of the '80s. If this is the same engine as in Peugeots of the same era, it's probably almost as bulletproof as an OM616. You're not going to see another one of these the next time you go four-wheeling! I see it's in Vancouver. Were those ever sold in USA? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Boxy, maybe, but they had that strangely slopng rear end. One had to get used to it. Last one I had was a '82. Traded it in for a used 123 in '86 + a ton of cash. Resale value of these cars was zip. When it comes to Ero's, here is my take: Brits - non exist, barely Germans - Over priced and over engineered Italians - the very opposite (except for things on stroids and the latest 500 joke) French - well made affordabele transportation devices My $0.02. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
That's pretty funny except, the French were actually responsible for Bugatti and the Citroen DS- a legend. Andrew and I have a good French friend in DC and he is one hell of a good shadetree mechanic! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
Blue was always most prone to cracking. Must have something to do with the polymers they used. Humidity is a friend. Heat is not. If one would take care of ones dash as ones wife does to her skin, they would just wrinkle or divorce you. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: 'Lucky so far that black dashes in both my 21-year-old 126 and 25-year-old 124 here in humid and sunny eastern NC are still not cracked. They both sit outside all the time, too. Fingers still crossed. For some reason color makes a difference. You'd think black would be the worst but actually it's the blue ones. The dark brown dash in my 300SD is also cracked. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '98 SLk230 Roadster
Next time the list gets slow how about discussing the '98 SLK230 roadster; opinions, etc? There's a red one in a nearby town with a for sale sign on it that looks to be in pretty good condition. Asking price $10,000 but with taxes coming up, probably get it for less. It has a four cylinder 16 valve turbo engine and is geared for 150 mph. Curb weight 3000 lb, mpg 22-26, 0-60 7 seconds. With a 9.3-1 compression ratio, would likely require premium gas. http://www.ehow.com/list_7314281_1998-mercedes-slk230-specifications.html http://www.imagejuicy.com/images/exotic-cars/m/mercedes-benz-slk230/2/ Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these holes in the roof
The main purpose of a sunroof is to separate the peasants from the better people. Seriously though, they sorta caught on in Europe because they have long autumns and springs, with little sunlight. So opening a hole in the roof made em feel better and let more light into the cabin. Remember the big webasto roofs put onto the roundies et al? I actually use the tilt function on mine quite a bit, as it lets the air out nicely but I don't open it much, perhaps now and again on a gloomy day. Hendrik who has a luxury car with holey roof WILTON wrote: Both of mine have'em, of course, but I rather they didn't; I've never opened either one of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Notre ami Gael can build a Mercedes from elemental carbon, hydrogen, and iron. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: That's pretty funny except, the French were actually responsible for Bugatti and the Citroen DS- a legend. Andrew and I have a good French friend in DC and he is one hell of a good shadetree mechanic! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Imagination is one thing. Experience is another. The French can't cook. The Italians do. The Swiss can count money, so do the Germans And the Brits built some of the best looking cars in the past, non of them fit to go past towing distance from the garage. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: That's pretty funny except, the French were actually responsible for Bugatti and the Citroen DS- a legend. Andrew and I have a good French friend in DC and he is one hell of a good shadetree mechanic! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these manual holes in the roof
Yeah I guess the designers where pretty tired after coming up with the S123 design and just thought bugger it, we can't be bothered to engineer a powered sunroof into it. Hendrik who owned a 230TE with manny roof Dan Penoff wrote: I always likes the manual sunroof I had in my 79 300TD. Simple and easy to use, no messing with motors and grease Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Who's that guy? (Notre ami Gael ) If I had to build a car (or refrigorator, washmachine, etc.), that's what I'd use. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Notre ami Gael can build a Mercedes from elemental carbon, hydrogen, and iron. -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
lol, I'll have to copy and save that one! :-) Don't know about the cars though, there are a few I'd love to own. One of my neighbours bought an old DS a few years back, and drives it in the summer. I would love to have that car!!! So advanced for it's time, and is still super cool today. For me, a DS over a Ferrari for coolness any day! :-) I think the French were pretty creative engineers over the years. They had a hand in that plane, the Concorde, and as far as I know, they were the first ones crazy enough to bolt a turbo to an F1 car engine. I saw one of those engines once up close. They only lasted 2 hours, (about as long as any of them lasted) but they were making 1000+ in race trim, and 1200-1400+? in qualifying trim. Not bad for 1.5 litres. And even if you don't like their cars, all is forgive of them, once you taste their wine and cheeses. Their girls are pretty cute too. ;-) Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 20:43, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these P4 machines
Speaking of convertibles http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LEFT-HAND-DRIVE-EX-MOD-PEUGEOT-P4-BASED-MERCEDES-G-/190629619673?pt=Automobiles_UKhash=item2c626927d9 the convertible top is a bit sad. Hendrik who wouldn't mind one of these beasties if they where RH drive Dan Penoff wrote: As described below, it's a 107 chassis with a hardtop and tonneau cover for the space under the hard top when removed. There is no soft top, nor is there a frame for it. It is essentially a coupe with a removable top, NOT a convertible. I don't think many were made, and it's unlikely that you would see one unless you live in a temperate part of the continent, like SoCal or Florida. I just looked at my signed and numbered copy of John Olson's the SL experience, and found only a passing reference to the Californian, with no data on number produced. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
The Bugattis were cool cars, but not so sure they were any wonders of engineering. Not until the Germans from VW came along anyway. Still, they had some cool ideas, and they were pretty committed to the idea of building light cars, like the type 35, when Bentley were building cars there were buses in Bugatti's opinion. Then he built the Royals, which made the Bentleys look like compacts. hee hee. But he never intended those to be race cars. The machine turning on the engines was a nice touch too. The French have built some of the most beautiful cars over the years. I'm pretty sure credit can be given to them, for starting the whole concours thing , which we later turned into cruise night ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 21:05, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: That's pretty funny except, the French were actually responsible for Bugatti and the Citroen DS- a legend. Andrew and I have a good French friend in DC and he is one hell of a good shadetree mechanic! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] Look at these holes in the roof
Never use mine. Too scared it woun't close when the rain comes. Actually the sun roof was an expensive fall-out from the Citroens CV 2's and Fiats 500's roll-back tops. They saved sheet metal. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: The main purpose of a sunroof is to separate the peasants from the better people. Seriously though, they sorta caught on in Europe because they have long autumns and springs, with little sunlight. So opening a hole in the roof made em feel better and let more light into the cabin. Remember the big webasto roofs put onto the roundies et al? I actually use the tilt function on mine quite a bit, as it lets the air out nicely but I don't open it much, perhaps now and again on a gloomy day. Hendrik who has a luxury car with holey roof WILTON wrote: Both of mine have'em, of course, but I rather they didn't; I've never opened either one of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these I agree, even though most of my cars have them. Given the option, I would order without. I figure, if the windows roll down, that's good enough. If more air than that is needed, a motorcycle might be a better mode of transport. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 10:20, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can't understand the need to cut a hole in a perfectly good steel top to install a movable, potentially leaky and expensive panel, oftentimes of some other material. Wilton __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these aspiring actress trucks
As the name implies, the purpose was to have extra seating in the sunny world of California and started with the 113 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W113#California_Coupe I guess the studio execs where complaining that they could only carry so many starlets home in a 2 seater. Hendrik who didn't see any starlets in California E M wrote: Wonder if it was just a cost saving thing dreamed up by the marketing guys? They couldn't pitch such a car as a lightweight speedster. I guess they could, they've been cheeky enough to keep the SL badge on it all these years. ;-) hee hee A car that requires even more faith in the weather man to drive, than a Ferrari 550 Barchetta. And from those rational thinking Germans too. Who'd a thunk it. :-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
He's one badass mofo that can fix or make or build or modify anything Mercedes! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: Who's that guy? (Notre ami Gael ) If I had to build a car (or refrigorator, washmachine, etc.), that's what I'd use. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Notre ami Gael can build a Mercedes from elemental carbon, hydrogen, and iron. -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to restore a cracked blue W123 dash
You have to be pretty blind not to be able to tell the difference Can't say about non-107, but with the plastic caps it's not that you can't actually tell the difference, but it's moderately difficult and you don't care. Looks _almost_ like it belongs there. Maybe the others fit worse? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW Diesels
Matra/Simca put a turbo on a 4 cyl F1 about 1965. Rules stipulated that a CAI motor can only be half of the displacement of a NA motor. And they won. My dad hd a '30's? Citroen C 4. What a car! Than he bought a ID 19 (60?, hydraulic suspension, 1-spoke sterring wheel, luminescent roof, what noit). When I watch the show where 'Jane Patrik' drives the DS21, I cry. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:36 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The Bugattis were cool cars, but not so sure they were any wonders of engineering. Not until the Germans from VW came along anyway. Still, they had some cool ideas, and they were pretty committed to the idea of building light cars, like the type 35, when Bentley were building cars there were buses in Bugatti's opinion. Then he built the Royals, which made the Bentleys look like compacts. hee hee. But he never intended those to be race cars. The machine turning on the engines was a nice touch too. The French have built some of the most beautiful cars over the years. I'm pretty sure credit can be given to them, for starting the whole concours thing , which we later turned into cruise night ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 21:05, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: That's pretty funny except, the French were actually responsible for Bugatti and the Citroen DS- a legend. Andrew and I have a good French friend in DC and he is one hell of a good shadetree mechanic! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just cannot imagine ever owning a French car. The old joke: Heaven Is Where: The French are the chefs The Italians are the lovers The British are the police The Germans are the mechanics And the Swiss make everything run on time Hell is Where: The British are the chefs The Swiss are the lovers The French are the mechanics The Italians make everything run on time And the Germans are the police E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: The 504s were the boxy type cars, weren't they? I was always fond of the styling, but then again, I've liked a number of French cars over the years. Peugeots were sold here in Canada in the 70s I believe, but no longer are. I really like some of their current offerings too. If they ever return, they would be a maker I'd be interested in. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 19:38, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: BMW hooked up with Peugeot, who made some of the finest diesels. Had two 504's. Bullet proof drive trains/motors. Actually, Peugot produced the first commercialy sold diesel passenger car, ahead of Daimler Benz. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: They sell a lot of BMW diesels in Europe now. As you say, The problem diesels are now decades behind them. If there were such problems, I'm sure it would be well reported. Hard to keep such problems quiet with things like YouTube and the internet now. If the car isn't took old, I think BMW will offer extended warranty on one too. Ed 300E On 29 January 2012 15:52, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Are these the ones that had the same engine that Lincoln used in their diesels (along with the Vixen motorhomes)? 335D is the like a 524TD, in the same way a 320 CDI is like a 300 SDL. Decades apart, in other words. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things
Top ten things retired aviators do: Install lights on either side of the drive way. Refer to the missus as the flight attendant because she gave you a black eye after calling her a stewardess. Convert the speedo to read in knots. Put a bumper sticker on the car that reads: I'd rather be flying. Develop a pre start inspection routine. Maintain a drive log. Make the missus guide you in and out of the garage with proper guide sticks. Install an altitude meter in the car. Paint an identification number on the side of the car. Install two way radio, so you can talk to other aircraft. Hendrik who is stirring Wilton...again WILTON wrote: 'Really enjoy the cruise cont on the 350SDL; makes it seem even more like flying. CC on the 87 300D doesn't always hold well. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '98 SLk230 Roadster
'98s are the oldest ones. Would have to be absolutely perfect to merit a $10k price tag, at least up around here in January. You're talking 320 AMG money (and the AMG package had a five digit price tag when new IIRC) http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ctd/2781223507.html I believe the 99s got Brake Assist System and the 2001s got ESP, if you care about the dynamic safety features. http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ctd/2789107348.html This one's been around since at least November: http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ctd/2806501406.html I bet you could get this 320 for $7500 or 8k: http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/2792715643.html Jalopy: http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/2803052392.html I should take a look at this one, it's been around for a month now, but a convertible is a summer car, and who wants one in Solar Collector Black? http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/2762084708.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things
Don't forget: Fill out the Form 781 (maintenance log/equipment operating discrepancies). Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things Top ten things retired aviators do: Install lights on either side of the drive way. Refer to the missus as the flight attendant because she gave you a black eye after calling her a stewardess. Convert the speedo to read in knots. Put a bumper sticker on the car that reads: I'd rather be flying. Develop a pre start inspection routine. Maintain a drive log. Make the missus guide you in and out of the garage with proper guide sticks. Install an altitude meter in the car. Paint an identification number on the side of the car. Install two way radio, so you can talk to other aircraft. Hendrik who is stirring Wilton...again WILTON wrote: 'Really enjoy the cruise cont on the 350SDL; makes it seem even more like flying. CC on the 87 300D doesn't always hold well. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Look at these top ten things
Oh, also don't forget: Call home to report RTB (returning to base) and an ETA (estimated time of arrival). Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things Don't forget: Fill out the Form 781 (maintenance log/equipment operating discrepancies). Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things Top ten things retired aviators do: Install lights on either side of the drive way. Refer to the missus as the flight attendant because she gave you a black eye after calling her a stewardess. Convert the speedo to read in knots. Put a bumper sticker on the car that reads: I'd rather be flying. Develop a pre start inspection routine. Maintain a drive log. Make the missus guide you in and out of the garage with proper guide sticks. Install an altitude meter in the car. Paint an identification number on the side of the car. Install two way radio, so you can talk to other aircraft. Hendrik who is stirring Wilton...again WILTON wrote: 'Really enjoy the cruise cont on the 350SDL; makes it seem even more like flying. CC on the 87 300D doesn't always hold well. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things
Back when I was 16 and taking flight lessons, I installed an altimeter and turn bank indicator in my '51 VW bug. The altimeter didn't move much, and the TB pegged with most every bump and correction to stay in my lane. We don't make many two minute turns in a car --- On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Top ten things retired aviators do: Install lights on either side of the drive way. Refer to the missus as the flight attendant because she gave you a black eye after calling her a stewardess. Convert the speedo to read in knots. Put a bumper sticker on the car that reads: I'd rather be flying. Develop a pre start inspection routine. Maintain a drive log. Make the missus guide you in and out of the garage with proper guide sticks. Install an altitude meter in the car. Paint an identification number on the side of the car. Install two way radio, so you can talk to other aircraft. Hendrik who is stirring Wilton...again -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Look at these top ten things
Well you can sorta tell that I have only ever sat up the back of a plane. Hendrik who has pilot controls but can't fly WILTON wrote: Oh, also don't forget: Call home to report RTB (returning to base) and an ETA (estimated time of arrival). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
