[MBZ] Lunch In DC
I will be in Salisbury, MD on Thursday around noon to pick up a car and drive it home. (Finally) Would anyone from the area like to get together for lunch? Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S**T!!! -- Spring Compressor
Clamped in vise per the instructions on job 33-440, I use an appropriately sized impact socket and a 5-lb. sledge. Regular hammer just doesn't do it. I'm in rust-free CA but it's usually quick once it's in the vise. Dave On Mar 31, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I actually cut them across the top, and the end bits sorta fell out then. I put a big socket on one end of the inner rubber/metal bit, and pushed that out with a vise. I am still trying to get the lower BJ undone, tried the hot wrench and some shims for the pickle fork, still no go. Went at the BJ shaft with the sawzall but that stuff is REALLY tough, barely made a dent in it. Tomorrow another tactic will unfold I am sure. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
I'd say time to change the big filter again, given that the small filter had anything at all. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
andrew strasfogel wrote: I changed the main fuel filter and tank strainer in the past 1000 miles. Was the tank strainer plugged when you replaced it? Sometimes the bugs keep gunking up strainers and filters and are hard to eradicate, especially if the car doesn't get a lot of fuel run through it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lunch In DC
Rick Knoble wrote: I will be in Salisbury, MD on Thursday around noon to pick up a car and drive it home. (Finally) Would anyone from the area like to get together for lunch? This is the one you had shipped home in January? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lunch In DC
On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: This is the one you had shipped home in January? That would be the car. After waiting several weeks for the shipper to come through, I had to do something when the car lot started charging me storage. I worked with Wullf's Import Auto in Salisbury to get it to his shop and ready for the trip. The local injection shop (MD) wanted to completely rebuild the injection pump, because of a miss on one cylinder. I discussed it with my local Bosch guy and we agreed that, as robust as these pumps are, the only problem would probably be a delivery valve seal on that cylinder. I instructed the shop to repair only that, and that did the trick. The only other problem was the motor mounts are shot, and those are being replaced Monday. Even with storage, towing, flight and repairs I will have less than $2500 in the car, which isn't too bad, for a rust free W124 diesel. I am quite anticipating a prolonged Italian tuneup through the mountains of Pennsylvania. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow plug question
On my OM 517 engine I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. I measured the resistance at the 6-pin connector: #1 indicates open, #2 - 5 measure 95 Ohm each 13V / 95 Ohm = 0.14 A (1/10th of spec) What am I doing wrong? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: I measured the resistance at the 6-pin connector: #1 indicates open, #2 - 5 measure 95 Ohm each 13V / 95 Ohm = 0.14 A (1/10th of spec) What am I doing wrong? Your meter is not an autoranging meter and it is on the wrong scale? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Well he got some good advise about his problem. Oh well. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Not at all - barely needed changing. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: I changed the main fuel filter and tank strainer in the past 1000 miles. Was the tank strainer plugged when you replaced it? Sometimes the bugs keep gunking up strainers and filters and are hard to eradicate, especially if the car doesn't get a lot of fuel run through it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Maybe you need a linkage adjustment? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:14 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. He told me that the car was losing power at highway speeds when going up slight inclines. I noticed this today as well. I changed the small fuel filter (it wasn't too bad) and was wondering whether it might be a problem with the turbo charger. Otherwise, no strange noises or other symptoms. I changed the main fuel filter and tank strainer in the past 1000 miles. Andrew 1983 300TD slightly sluggish 1985 300TD occasional smell of burnt caramel popcorn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Indeed. Well there are some good web-based MB forums out there, hope he finds what he's looking for. I personally don't like the web forum format, I've never found one that was really easy to use and they just don't have the conversational feel of an email list. To each his own Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
The resistance cold is not the same as the resistance hot. But 95 Ohm is too high for a cold plug, should be 1 ohm IIRC, as they heat up the resistance increases. If you had an ammeter in line with the plug you'd see an initial heavy current draw that drops off as the plug heats up. Allan Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: On my OM 517 engine I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. I measured the resistance at the 6-pin connector: #1 indicates open, #2 - 5 measure 95 Ohm each 13V / 95 Ohm = 0.14 A (1/10th of spec) What am I doing wrong? -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I am new to the MB scene, only 40 years out of the 126 years of Daimler Benz, and I learn a lot here. Besides, if you want to solve a computer, video, audio, electronics or nuclear problem, somebody here has the answers. (I need to get back to the DC converter answers...) What web forum does that? I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Some problem with the accuracy of the meter. You found out what you want to know. #1 is bad. the glow light will NOT come on when #1 is out. The relay compares the current in #1 to the other 3 or 4 or 5 GPs. When #1 is out, the glow light is out. Replace #1 and be happy. On my OM 517 engine I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. I measured the resistance at the 6-pin connector: #1 indicates open, #2 - 5 measure 95 Ohm each 13V / 95 Ohm = 0.14 A (1/10th of spec) What am I doing wrong? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Badge letters
I saw a donked Crown Vic the other day that had the word JEGGA on the left side of the trunk, in letters that looked just like Benz letters. I presume JEGGA was the driver of the CVdonk. I wonder if you can buy those letters somewhere. I also saw a donked Mustang the other day, must have had 30 rims and maybe a 6 lift.. It actually looked rather interesting, but it was unclear how the front wheels could turn to steer the thing. The wheel wells looked completely full. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I like the forums as well but honestly I feel more of a sense of community on this list, and more importantly my questions get answered almost immediately. On a forum it could take hours or even days! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Indeed. Well there are some good web-based MB forums out there, hope he finds what he's looking for. I personally don't like the web forum format, I've never found one that was really easy to use and they just don't have the conversational feel of an email list. To each his own Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Yeah, I've posted OT topics or gone off topic on the MBCA forum and got scolded. I've asked the administrators to create an OT section and they refused. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to the MB scene, only 40 years out of the 126 years of Daimler Benz, and I learn a lot here. Besides, if you want to solve a computer, video, audio, electronics or nuclear problem, somebody here has the answers. (I need to get back to the DC converter answers...) What web forum does that? I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Badge letters
I saw a Buick LeSabre body on a lifted, 4x4 off-road truck chassis yesterday. Big knobby tires etc. I was at a loss for words. Allan Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I saw a donked Crown Vic the other day that had the word JEGGA on the left side of the trunk, in letters that looked just like Benz letters. I presume JEGGA was the driver of the CVdonk. I wonder if you can buy those letters somewhere. I also saw a donked Mustang the other day, must have had 30 rims and maybe a 6 lift.. It actually looked rather interesting, but it was unclear how the front wheels could turn to steer the thing. The wheel wells looked completely full. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Badge letters
I had to go in to work this morning during our weekly maintenance window (6:00 am - 12:00 noon Sundays). On the way in, I was driving on a local expressway to downtown, and there was a either a Mercury Marquis or Crown Vic painted a very bright blue with at least 22 or 24 wheels. He was keeping up with me at a good 65 MPH when we entered a 270 degree curve that is banked. I maintained speed, while he had to let off about a third of the way into the curve... Dan On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I saw a Buick LeSabre body on a lifted, 4x4 off-road truck chassis yesterday. Big knobby tires etc. I was at a loss for words. Allan Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I saw a donked Crown Vic the other day that had the word JEGGA on the left side of the trunk, in letters that looked just like Benz letters. I presume JEGGA was the driver of the CVdonk. I wonder if you can buy those letters somewhere. I also saw a donked Mustang the other day, must have had 30 rims and maybe a 6 lift.. It actually looked rather interesting, but it was unclear how the front wheels could turn to steer the thing. The wheel wells looked completely full. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid
Me, too. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: It's great to see that nearby Listers are taking care of our Special Veteran. We saw an opportunity, and took it. Funny timing (or God is good, if you prefer), I had gone silent on the list for Lent. Season isn't over yet, but something moved me to start participating again. Glad I listened to that little voice... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid
Thanks for the kind words; 'never been a hero, though - just trying to do my duty. The real heroes of my era have their names inscribed on that black granite wall in DC. BTW, every American should visit that wall, study those names thoroughly and think about how they got there on that wall. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid Thanks guys! Glad you are in a position to be able to help our resident hero. A special thanks to Rich and Max for securing and delivering to me early this evening a trunk lid to replace my recently vandal-destroyed trunk lid on my '91 350 SDL! Two great ATTABOYS! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Check for leaks in the boost pressure signal from the intake manifold to the IP (at ALDA as I recall). There is a switchover valve in the path intended to dump pressure for safe3ty (if overpressure or if tranny calls uncle) which could go bad. More likely, the rubber sleeves that connect the hard lines to the valve have deteriorated. For quick-and-dirty check, bypass the switchover valve with a piece of rubber hose connected to the hard lines. On the other hand, just one dirty load of fuel can clog the in-tank screen; typical symptom would be inability to maintain speed, especially uphill after driving for several minutes. Before you drain the tank, you can inspect visually from fuel gauge sender port in the back under the cargo floor. Use a good flashlight. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 1:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. He told me that the car was losing power at highway speeds when going up slight inclines. I noticed this today as well. I changed the small fuel filter (it wasn't too bad) and was wondering whether it might be a problem with the turbo charger. Otherwise, no strange noises or other symptoms. I changed the main fuel filter and tank strainer in the past 1000 miles. Andrew 1983 300TD slightly sluggish 1985 300TD occasional smell of burnt caramel popcorn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 77, Issue 3
Our '83 300SD has been having electrical problems the past few months. Have replaced the battery twice, and alternator once (with a new Bosch), but still it continues. Something is draining the battery completely, whether the car is driven or not. Last time, driving around didn't guarantee the alternator would keep things charged up. Getting tired of putting money into it, and still not being able to drive it. Any ideas what the culprit might be? Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 77, Issue 3
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:59:22 -0500 Joe Sasser joesas...@mac.com wrote: Getting tired of putting money into it, and still not being able to drive it. Any ideas what the culprit might be? You mentioned the solution yourself: Something is draining the battery completely, whether the car is driven or not. All you need to do is find what the drain is. :-) One way to start is to lift the negative battery cable and put a 12 V light bulb in series with the cable to the battery's negative terminal. Noting that it lights, pull fuses until it goes out. Last time, driving around didn't guarantee the alternator would keep things charged up. It could be the purple wire to the glow plug relay is intermittent and causing the glow plugs to be run all the time. Another possibility is the automatic radio antenna not parking properly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Great idea. Still, I like to play worst case scenario. How would one diagnose a faiiing turbocharger? On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Check for leaks in the boost pressure signal from the intake manifold to the IP (at ALDA as I recall). There is a switchover valve in the path intended to dump pressure for safe3ty (if overpressure or if tranny calls uncle) which could go bad. More likely, the rubber sleeves that connect the hard lines to the valve have deteriorated. For quick-and-dirty check, bypass the switchover valve with a piece of rubber hose connected to the hard lines. On the other hand, just one dirty load of fuel can clog the in-tank screen; typical symptom would be inability to maintain speed, especially uphill after driving for several minutes. Before you drain the tank, you can inspect visually from fuel gauge sender port in the back under the cargo floor. Use a good flashlight. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 1:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. He told me that the car was losing power at highway speeds when going up slight inclines. I noticed this today as well. I changed the small fuel filter (it wasn't too bad) and was wondering whether it might be a problem with the turbo charger. Otherwise, no strange noises or other symptoms. I changed the main fuel filter and tank strainer in the past 1000 miles. Andrew 1983 300TD slightly sluggish 1985 300TD occasional smell of burnt caramel popcorn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Hans Neureiter wrote: On my OM 517 engine A _5_17? I'm not familiar with that one, but on a OM617... *smiles* I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. So here I go again... My preferred way to test the glow plug system is with an 30 A ammeter. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. Once the one wire is connected to the fuse, DO NOT LET THE OTHER WIRE TOUCH CHASSIS GROUND!!! Or the big fuse will blow and possibly so will your ammeter. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Well, that's a pity, 'cause we exchange a helluva lot more info and help to each other than just oil, etc. The trunk lid I'm working on the replace my recently vandal-destroyed one and Rich's spring compressor problem are recent good examples. I wish 'im well when and if he really needs some help; 'course he may have had some good info to help the rest of us, sometime, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Scott Ritchey wrote: Before you drain the tank, you can inspect visually from fuel gauge sender port in the back under the cargo floor. Use a good flashlight. Don't do it if the tank is full. I think it needs to be about 5 gallons below full to not run out the port when it's opened. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
Well, I'm still a new guy, I've had MBs for only 32 and a half years. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD I've also owned MBs for a long time and I'm always learning something new here. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:29 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clint has unsubscribed. I communicated with him off list. He said he didn't like our list format, too confusing. I tried to explain the difference between lists and forums to no avail. He also said he'd had MBs for a long time and didn't need suggestions about oil, etc. That begs the question as to why he posed his problem to this list to begin with. It looks like he was browsing for another place to commune and found us. We weren't a fit so he moved on. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
FWIW I diagnosed my plugged up tank filter by reversing the fuel lines under the hood. The car almost quit 20 miles from home, but it ran fine going back with the lines reversed. I then rigged up a short extension on the pressure washer wand and washed out the tank from the top. It's been fine for about the past two years. Gerry '83 300D Scott Ritchey wrote: Before you drain the tank, you can inspect visually from fuel gauge sender port in the back under the cargo floor. Use a good flashlight. Don't do it if the tank is full. I think it needs to be about 5 gallons below full to not run out the port when it's opened. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4908 - Release Date: 04/01/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Loaned Lent is something for which you give up something. If not the filter(s) I would check the boost signal tube going from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA -- take it off at the intake manifold and see if there is gunk or goo or crud or schmutz in there. --R On 4/1/12 1:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 77, Issue 3
A stuck glow plug relay will do this, at least on a Volvo TD. If the headlights were on, the battery would go flat while driving in the highway! Peter On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:59:22 -0500 Joe Sasser joesas...@mac.com wrote: Getting tired of putting money into it, and still not being able to drive it. Any ideas what the culprit might be? You mentioned the solution yourself: Something is draining the battery completely, whether the car is driven or not. All you need to do is find what the drain is. :-) One way to start is to lift the negative battery cable and put a 12 V light bulb in series with the cable to the battery's negative terminal. Noting that it lights, pull fuses until it goes out. Last time, driving around didn't guarantee the alternator would keep things charged up. It could be the purple wire to the glow plug relay is intermittent and causing the glow plugs to be run all the time. Another possibility is the automatic radio antenna not parking properly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Typo. Thanks for the smiles. What I gather, checking for resisstance is meaningless other than continuity or open circuit. Thanks all. Apr 1, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: On my OM 517 engine A _5_17? I'm not familiar with that one, but on a OM617... *smiles* I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. So here I go again... My preferred way to test the glow plug system is with an 30 A ammeter. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. Once the one wire is connected to the fuse, DO NOT LET THE OTHER WIRE TOUCH CHASSIS GROUND!!! Or the big fuse will blow and possibly so will your ammeter. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid
I have several classmates on that wall - very moving experience finding them there. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thanks for the kind words; 'never been a hero, though - just trying to do my duty. The real heroes of my era have their names inscribed on that black granite wall in DC. BTW, every American should visit that wall, study those names thoroughly and think about how they got there on that wall. Wilton -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: 1978 Mercedes 350SL for Parts - $1000 (Canton)
Not Mine, (sigh) etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:1978 Mercedes 350SL for Parts - $1000 (Canton) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/2929037092.html to contact the person who posted this. 1978 Mercedes 350SL for Parts Date: 2012-03-29, 1:12PM This is a Euro Mercedes 350SL that is for sale for repair or parts. Does not run, was originally a 4 speed stick car that now has a automatic in in. Intrior is in nice shape, body panel are in good shape, has a set a 15 in. BBS wheels. Will be willing to part out. Call me at 781-603-8030 if interested. No low ball offers. Can scrap it if it doesn't sell. * Location: Canton * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/2929037092.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18xMjM3OTEyMxym0Rv0Qcbn6kHA8CEHPrvmRbse_UtEHvRLoqr7ox_B6nvkE564V-YYp2b7_J668Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
You can compensate for resistance error on a meter by measuring new or known good GPs. If it can detect a difference of half an ohm, you are good. I have a 25 yr old radio junk analog meter that will read about 1.5 ohms on a good one, but it is sensitive enough to pick up a half ohm. So when it reads 0 or over 2, I know I have a bad plug. Typo. Thanks for the smiles. What I gather, checking for resisstance is meaningless other than continuity or open circuit. Thanks all. Apr 1, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: On my OM 517 engine A _5_17? I'm not familiar with that one, but on a OM617... *smiles* I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. So here I go again... My preferred way to test the glow plug system is with an 30 A ammeter. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. Once the one wire is connected to the fuse, DO NOT LET THE OTHER WIRE TOUCH CHASSIS GROUND!!! Or the big fuse will blow and possibly so will your ammeter. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 77, Issue 3
Becker radio. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Hans, resistance test is a fair test if you have a meter capable of measuring values if less than one ohm. Phillip's current measurement test is the best. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid
Yes, in deed. That's why every American needs to see it. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 trunk lid I have several classmates on that wall - very moving experience finding them there. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thanks for the kind words; 'never been a hero, though - just trying to do my duty. The real heroes of my era have their names inscribed on that black granite wall in DC. BTW, every American should visit that wall, study those names thoroughly and think about how they got there on that wall. Wilton -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Yes, but lent is also the past tense and past participle of the infinitive, to lend. That's the way it was taught in my 1940s and 50s English classes (even listed as such by Mr. Webster) and the way I've always used it, 'cept for the biblical/Easter sense, of course. 'Seems that loaned has in the past few/several years moved into more common usage in place of lent when referring to a loan in the past. 'Don't remember hearing loaned so much when referring to a loan in the past until several years ago, even though it was evidently also acceptable even in my long-ago youth - we NC boys just didn't (I still don't) use it. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD Loaned Lent is something for which you give up something. If not the filter(s) I would check the boost signal tube going from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA -- take it off at the intake manifold and see if there is gunk or goo or crud or schmutz in there. --R On 4/1/12 1:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
I use a Fluke MM. Setting it on auto or scale, same results. 95 O = 0.095 KO, and it reads 0.01 Ohm. On second thought, the measurement of resistance may not be so un-significant. I am pretty much aware of the laws of physics that rule our world, including Ohm’s law. Cast in “Stone” they are; Gravity, Kinetic, Dynamic, Static, Electric, etc., etc. A glow plug is a resistor, a electrical conductor with a designated resistance. Current flowing through a conductor excites molecules/atoms and causes heat - it glows and eventually burns up if current is not limited. Not knowing the metallurgical/chemical composition of a glow plug element, it stands to reason to assume that the electrical characteristics deteriorate, i.e. resistance increases. More resistance, less current, less glowing. Ohms Law is irrefutable, nor is the fact that things deteriorate with age and use. Ohm’s law is similar to the principals of Hydraulics: Pressure (V) - Head (Ω) - Flow (A). Only difference is that Head is influenced by Newton’s law (Static + dynamic). Electricity is weightless and thus exempt from gravitational influences. I just can’t get past the fact that Ohm tells me the plugs dont even get warm. I am reading 95 Ohm instead of 0.9 Ohm. Kind of like 95 % dead. A Ohmmeter tells you just the same as an Ammeter knowing the Voltage. Makes sense of my experience. No pre glow fault indication, but the motor was hard to start below 40 F. Well, #1 finally kicked the bucket and told me something is wrong. Just wondering if I am on the right track or way out in left field? On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: You can compensate for resistance error on a meter by measuring new or known good GPs. If it can detect a difference of half an ohm, you are good. I have a 25 yr old radio junk analog meter that will read about 1.5 ohms on a good one, but it is sensitive enough to pick up a half ohm. So when it reads 0 or over 2, I know I have a bad plug. Typo. Thanks for the smiles. What I gather, checking for resisstance is meaningless other than continuity or open circuit. Thanks all. Apr 1, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: On my OM 517 engine A _5_17? I'm not familiar with that one, but on a OM617... *smiles* I tested the glow plugs. No preglow indicater light. The Manual calls for 8 - 15 A per plug. So here I go again... My preferred way to test the glow plug system is with an 30 A ammeter. I put 12AWG wire leads on it. To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug in this connector, so I clip on meter lead to the fused side of the big, screw-in fuse and then touch each contact, one at a time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers correspond to the cylinder number. This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A after 8-10 seconds. Once the one wire is connected to the fuse, DO NOT LET THE OTHER WIRE TOUCH CHASSIS GROUND!!! Or the big fuse will blow and possibly so will your ammeter. :) -- Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 700K-mile 300SD
I know he did not approve or rotella, but I just picked up two gallons for $20, so figure it would do fine instead of wasting cash on snake oils that do not work clay On Mar 31, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Fmiser wrote: clay monroe wrote: If you want quality lubricity and wear reduction, use Mobil 1, Delvac, or Rotella and change oil as usual. Marshal didn't like Rotella. Mobil 1, Delvac, and Delo were his choices. -- Philip, picking at nits, sorry. *smiles* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Frosch visits for Palm Sunday
Was last night, but still the same. Driving in the rain, everything seemed to be pretty tight, water incursion wise, but after she sat parked for a time, I come back and there is a drip drop coming off the rearview mirror switch. What in tarnation is going on? Any guess as to where the water is coming in? Having paid a visit to the parents, who are hosting my sister from out of town, with kids, I am now able to tear into getting the SL set up. Today we removed the disintegrating trunk rubber thing, pulled out the spare, and put an adult diaper upon the floor to sop up the errant water. Pulled out the non standard lug wrench coated in fine rust and gave it a sanding and a coat of rattle can black. Did the same to the spare wheel bolt down. The rest of the trunk will be getting wire wheel and POR-15 in the coming weeks. Under the hood I pulled the air filter housing and the washer pump. Hooked the pump to 12v, but it only hums, not pumps. Guess that wants new. Found a few hoses around the filter housing that need renewal. Obviously not installed by a qualified mechanic, since they were held in place by screw down hose clamps three sized too large. To keep them from wearing on other things in the tight space, he had zip tied and electric taped the ends down. Will have to source the proper size. Other hose has a nice split. The filter housing was oxidized and rusting in spots. Gave it a good sanding and then a shot of rust stop rattle can. All the rust is now being turned black and being sealed up. In the morning I will give it the first coat of rattle can black. Two coats should suffice. Idiot prior mechanic had swapped the stand off nut for the wing nut, so I will put those back where they belong. I really should have taken the camera for before and after shots. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
I was just bustin on Andrew --R On 4/1/12 7:51 PM, WILTON wrote: Yes, but lent is also the past tense and past participle of the infinitive, to lend. That's the way it was taught in my 1940s and 50s English classes (even listed as such by Mr. Webster) and the way I've always used it, 'cept for the biblical/Easter sense, of course. 'Seems that loaned has in the past few/several years moved into more common usage in place of lent when referring to a loan in the past. 'Don't remember hearing loaned so much when referring to a loan in the past until several years ago, even though it was evidently also acceptable even in my long-ago youth - we NC boys just didn't (I still don't) use it. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD Loaned Lent is something for which you give up something. If not the filter(s) I would check the boost signal tube going from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA -- take it off at the intake manifold and see if there is gunk or goo or crud or schmutz in there. --R On 4/1/12 1:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Either you are correct, and the glow plugs are indeed bad (I've one or two that read higher resistance than they should have been) or your meter needs calibrating. What does the meter read when you short the two probes together? On the other hand, if you don't need all new glow plugs now, you will at some time in the future. Go ahead and get them, then decide whether to replace all of them, or one at a time as they fail. You can also verify your meter against a new plug (assuming the new plug is good). On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: I use a Fluke MM. Setting it on auto or scale, same results. 95 O = 0.095 KO, and it reads 0.01 Ohm. On second thought, the measurement of resistance may not be so un-significant. I am pretty much aware of the laws of physics that rule our world, including Ohm’s law. Cast in “Stone” they are; Gravity, Kinetic, Dynamic, Static, Electric, etc., etc. A glow plug is a resistor, a electrical conductor with a designated resistance. Current flowing through a conductor excites molecules/atoms and causes heat - it glows and eventually burns up if current is not limited. Not knowing the metallurgical/chemical composition of a glow plug element, it stands to reason to assume that the electrical characteristics deteriorate, i.e. resistance increases. More resistance, less current, less glowing. Ohms Law is irrefutable, nor is the fact that things deteriorate with age and use. Ohm’s law is similar to the principals of Hydraulics: Pressure (V) - Head (Ω) - Flow (A). Only difference is that Head is influenced by Newton’s law (Static + dynamic). Electricity is weightless and thus exempt from gravitational influences. I just can’t get past the fact that Ohm tells me the plugs dont even get warm. I am reading 95 Ohm instead of 0.9 Ohm. Kind of like 95 % dead. A Ohmmeter tells you just the same as an Ammeter knowing the Voltage. Makes sense of my experience. No pre glow fault indication, but the motor was hard to start below 40 F. Well, #1 finally kicked the bucket and told me something is wrong. Just wondering if I am on the right track or way out in left field? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
Please pardon me for being so jumpy. ;) But I do notice loaned used much more now than I did years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD I was just bustin on Andrew --R On 4/1/12 7:51 PM, WILTON wrote: Yes, but lent is also the past tense and past participle of the infinitive, to lend. That's the way it was taught in my 1940s and 50s English classes (even listed as such by Mr. Webster) and the way I've always used it, 'cept for the biblical/Easter sense, of course. 'Seems that loaned has in the past few/several years moved into more common usage in place of lent when referring to a loan in the past. 'Don't remember hearing loaned so much when referring to a loan in the past until several years ago, even though it was evidently also acceptable even in my long-ago youth - we NC boys just didn't (I still don't) use it. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD Loaned Lent is something for which you give up something. If not the filter(s) I would check the boost signal tube going from the back of the intake manifold to the ALDA -- take it off at the intake manifold and see if there is gunk or goo or crud or schmutz in there. --R On 4/1/12 1:14 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I lent the 1983 300TD to my son while his Subaru was getting overhauled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Losing power - 1983 300TD
WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: Please pardon me for being so jumpy. ;) But I do notice loaned used much more now than I did years ago. Neither a borrower nor a lender be. Problem solved. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car breakin
I've considered remotely controled quad 20mm Gatlin guns up on the widow's/captain's walk, but that may take out the cars, too; maybe, a zapper ray gun with very fine, pin-point accuracy. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car breakin Back in 1968 we used a device called a Claymore with a trip wire that was pretty effective at controlling unwanted intruders. There are some downsides I suppose to using those in an urban environment, however after being robbed and ruined with damage to your household, the thought comes to mind that such applications could be useful. I've toyed with the idea of rigging a tazer to a car in such a way that a thief would simply taze themselves into submission upon contact and that would trigger the car alarm, as a more effective deterrent than simple noise makers. The inventive mind never stops inventing. The criminal mind never stops scheming. In todays world the anti theft device industry sells billions of dollars of devices each year, the police and jail systems cost billions, and we re-capture repeat offenders. In my Grandfathers time they spent 5 minutes and 0.13 cents worth of hemp rope and solved all those issues locally. Gives one the thought, Did the old guys have it right after all? On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In addition to all the wildlife cameras, there are cameras that look like motion lights but record video to a chip. The benefit being that they don't look like cameras. Price in the $150 range and you wire them into the 110 line like a motion light. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car breakin A hanger about four lots down from us was broken into last week, a three bladed prop for a Cessna 210 was stolen, along with hand tools. I'm thinking a few game motion activated cameras will at least catch them in action, perhaps get a palte number to boot. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 8:29 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mine weren't trashed quite that badly, but it is amazing how far and into what nearly inaccessible places the little blocks, shards and pieces of glass went. The windows just seemed to explode into every part of the interior of both cars. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car breakin I can't go with the leave it unlocked philosophy. They'd probably break out the windows anyway. Besides, there are other scenarios (especially in the country). http://hunting-washington.com/**smf/index.php?topic=90095.0 http://hunting-w ashington.com/smf/index.php?topic=90095.0 When I lived in Italy, I learned to leave my car unlocked, nothing of value inside. It took two car break-in episodes to learn that. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Car breakin
Maybe a nice focused horn and a magnetron to give them some warm feelings? Walt On Apr 1, 2012 11:15 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I've considered remotely controled quad 20mm Gatlin guns up on the widow's/captain's walk, but that may take out the cars, too; maybe, a zapper ray gun with very fine, pin-point accuracy. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car breakin Back in 1968 we used a device called a Claymore with a trip wire that was pretty effective at controlling unwanted intruders. There are some downsides I suppose to using those in an urban environment, however after being robbed and ruined with damage to your household, the thought comes to mind that such applications could be useful. I've toyed with the idea of rigging a tazer to a car in such a way that a thief would simply taze themselves into submission upon contact and that would trigger the car alarm, as a more effective deterrent than simple noise makers. The inventive mind never stops inventing. The criminal mind never stops scheming. In todays world the anti theft device industry sells billions of dollars of devices each year, the police and jail systems cost billions, and we re-capture repeat offenders. In my Grandfathers time they spent 5 minutes and 0.13 cents worth of hemp rope and solved all those issues locally. Gives one the thought, Did the old guys have it right after all? On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In addition to all the wildlife cameras, there are cameras that look like motion lights but record video to a chip. The benefit being that they don't look like cameras. Price in the $150 range and you wire them into the 110 line like a motion light. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@** okiebenz.com mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car breakin A hanger about four lots down from us was broken into last week, a three bladed prop for a Cessna 210 was stolen, along with hand tools. I'm thinking a few game motion activated cameras will at least catch them in action, perhaps get a palte number to boot. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 8:29 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mine weren't trashed quite that badly, but it is amazing how far and into what nearly inaccessible places the little blocks, shards and pieces of glass went. The windows just seemed to explode into every part of the interior of both cars. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car breakin I can't go with the leave it unlocked philosophy. They'd probably break out the windows anyway. Besides, there are other scenarios (especially in the country). http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=90095.0http://hunting-washington.com/**smf/index.php?topic=90095.0 http://hunting-w ashington.com/smf/index.php?**topic=90095.0http://ashington.com/smf/index.php?topic=90095.0 When I lived in Italy, I learned to leave my car unlocked, nothing of value inside. It took two car break-in episodes to learn that. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ** ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/**listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ** ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Touching the leads together reads 0.00 Ohms. Meter is good. And it is not the idiot reading it. Plugs have been there for the same time under the same conditons. Question to the ever knowing forum is: Do Glow Plugs deteriotate or just go on/off like a light bulb? I have nothing to compare, exept to adhere to Ohms Law and not knowing how the gizissicmos are made, I am confused. Looking at the Glow Plug on my electric stove (heating element) it's a no brainer. Long skinny coiled wire imbedded in ceramic and clad with steel. Of course, my stove top does not encounter vulcanic activities such as extreme heat, shock and tremors. The GP does this 15 times/sec at idle. What resistance does a new good GP have? On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Either you are correct, and the glow plugs are indeed bad (I've one or two that read higher resistance than they should have been) or your meter needs calibrating. What does the meter read when you short the two probes together? On the other hand, if you don't need all new glow plugs now, you will at some time in the future. Go ahead and get them, then decide whether to replace all of them, or one at a time as they fail. You can also verify your meter against a new plug (assuming the new plug is good). On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: I use a Fluke MM. Setting it on auto or scale, same results. 95 O = 0.095 KO, and it reads 0.01 Ohm. On second thought, the measurement of resistance may not be so un-significant. I am pretty much aware of the laws of physics that rule our world, including Ohm’s law. Cast in “Stone” they are; Gravity, Kinetic, Dynamic, Static, Electric, etc., etc. A glow plug is a resistor, a electrical conductor with a designated resistance. Current flowing through a conductor excites molecules/atoms and causes heat - it glows and eventually burns up if current is not limited. Not knowing the metallurgical/chemical composition of a glow plug element, it stands to reason to assume that the electrical characteristics deteriorate, i.e. resistance increases. More resistance, less current, less glowing. Ohms Law is irrefutable, nor is the fact that things deteriorate with age and use. Ohm’s law is similar to the principals of Hydraulics: Pressure (V) - Head (Ω) - Flow (A). Only difference is that Head is influenced by Newton’s law (Static + dynamic). Electricity is weightless and thus exempt from gravitational influences. I just can’t get past the fact that Ohm tells me the plugs dont even get warm. I am reading 95 Ohm instead of 0.9 Ohm. Kind of like 95 % dead. A Ohmmeter tells you just the same as an Ammeter knowing the Voltage. Makes sense of my experience. No pre glow fault indication, but the motor was hard to start below 40 F. Well, #1 finally kicked the bucket and told me something is wrong. Just wondering if I am on the right track or way out in left field? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Question comes from some one's post some weeks ago. He replaced all GP's and had readings from good to bad, like 0.9 to 90+ Ohm I know I have to replace # UNO.(DOS, TRES, QUATRO, CHINCO,?) A PITA to get to and a small lump of denero. God bless South Texas. It hardly ever snows. All you snowmobile salesman, you're welcome, but first learn to rope a goat. I would like a some sort of technicaln input. MB,as always leaves us in the dark. Now I'm getting peturbed. $250K AMG vs. my 30+ year old jewel. FYAFIFH. (FH like in fish head) On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: Touching the leads together reads 0.00 Ohms. Meter is good. And it is not the idiot reading it. Plugs have been there for the same time under the same conditons. Question to the ever knowing forum is: Do Glow Plugs deteriotate or just go on/off like a light bulb? I have nothing to compare, exept to adhere to Ohms Law and not knowing how the gizissicmos are made, I am confused. Looking at the Glow Plug on my electric stove (heating element) it's a no brainer. Long skinny coiled wire imbedded in ceramic and clad with steel. Of course, my stove top does not encounter vulcanic activities such as extreme heat, shock and tremors. The GP does this 15 times/sec at idle. What resistance does a new good GP have? On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Either you are correct, and the glow plugs are indeed bad (I've one or two that read higher resistance than they should have been) or your meter needs calibrating. What does the meter read when you short the two probes together? On the other hand, if you don't need all new glow plugs now, you will at some time in the future. Go ahead and get them, then decide whether to replace all of them, or one at a time as they fail. You can also verify your meter against a new plug (assuming the new plug is good). On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: I use a Fluke MM. Setting it on auto or scale, same results. 95 O = 0.095 KO, and it reads 0.01 Ohm. On second thought, the measurement of resistance may not be so un-significant. I am pretty much aware of the laws of physics that rule our world, including Ohm’s law. Cast in “Stone” they are; Gravity, Kinetic, Dynamic, Static, Electric, etc., etc. A glow plug is a resistor, a electrical conductor with a designated resistance. Current flowing through a conductor excites molecules/atoms and causes heat - it glows and eventually burns up if current is not limited. Not knowing the metallurgical/chemical composition of a glow plug element, it stands to reason to assume that the electrical characteristics deteriorate, i.e. resistance increases. More resistance, less current, less glowing. Ohms Law is irrefutable, nor is the fact that things deteriorate with age and use. Ohm’s law is similar to the principals of Hydraulics: Pressure (V) - Head (Ω) - Flow (A). Only difference is that Head is influenced by Newton’s law (Static + dynamic). Electricity is weightless and thus exempt from gravitational influences. I just can’t get past the fact that Ohm tells me the plugs dont even get warm. I am reading 95 Ohm instead of 0.9 Ohm. Kind of like 95 % dead. A Ohmmeter tells you just the same as an Ammeter knowing the Voltage. Makes sense of my experience. No pre glow fault indication, but the motor was hard to start below 40 F. Well, #1 finally kicked the bucket and told me something is wrong. Just wondering if I am on the right track or way out in left field? -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question
Hans Neureiter wrote: On second thought, the measurement of resistance may not be so un-significant. Correct. We do want to know the resistance, and by measuring amps or ohms can get us there. But _I_ prefer knowing the resistance of the glow plug when is glowing - like it would when I'm using it. A glow plug is a resistor, a electrical conductor with a designated resistance. Not knowing the metallurgical/chemical composition of a glow plug element, it stands to reason to assume that the electrical characteristics deteriorate, i.e. resistance increases. Why would the deterioration not cause a _decrease_ in resistance? Either way, we want to identify what is good and what is not. Ohm's law is similar to the principals of Hydraulics Correct. A Ohmmeter tells you just the same as an Ammeter knowing the Voltage. Almost. Based solely on ohm's law - yes. But an ohm meter can lie because the test environment is different than the operation environment. The wire, connections, and the glow plug can - and do - act different with 20 amps running throught them than they do with 0.2 milliamp. Add to that the margin of error when using an standard ohm meter for measurements 1 ohm. 0.6 ohms increasing to 0.9 ohms. All this to say. If you have an ohm meter - use it. A milliohm meter is better. But realize the test results may not be especially accurate. 95 ohm is clearly a failed plug. And you might be able to spot a shorted plug. But the ohm meter is not much help for anything more subtle. Thus my opening statement that the ammeter is the preferred way to test - not the only way. However, it is the only way I bother to test now. My test meter is just as easy to get as the ohm meter, and it's at least as easy to use, and the test results are more meaningful and dependable. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
