Re: [MBZ] OT: Mobil wifi hotspot connections

[Walt Zarnoch]

I've got 4G-LTE through Big Red, and I get 14Mb down, 5Mb up.
That's indoors on the edge of service (1 bar, can't find a REAL dB value...).

I've tethered on 3G since before android was born, and it was ok, just
not as fast or useable as cable is.
The big issue is ping time and delay, or dropped packets.

You also need an unlimited plan (grandfathered in! WOOHOO!), or you
end up going over the 2GB cap quite quick.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> Some carriers specifically prohibit tethering in their contracts. It's not 
> difficult to detect, either.
>
> Dan
>
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>
>>> Gerry Archer wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone had experience with mobile wifi hotspot
>>> connections?  Any problems?
>>> Daughter say Verizon in this area is poor.
>>> Just received first smartphone, an iPhone 3g-s, which has
>>> mobile connection to
>>> Verizon, but haven't been able to figure out how to use it as
>>> a  connection to a laptop.in order to cancel DSL.
>>
>> It's called "tethering" when you use a 'phone as a modem to
>> access the 'phones data plan from a computer.  Last I know,
>> iPhone would not allow it unless "jailbroken".
>>
>> There are USB "aircards" that access the cell data network for
>> computers.  Usually a 5 to 8 GB limit per month.
>>
>> --   Philip
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Max Dillon]

My opinion: start simple and work to complicated.  When you've fixed what you 
know needs fixing, and completed all the simple and easy repairs, start working 
up to complex.  

Primer pump is toward the simple end, delivery valve seals toward the complex 
end.  Fuel tank strainer is toward the complex/hard end.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

>So I hear conflicting opinions about delivery valve seals. Some say not
>to change them if there is no apparent leak at the IP below the
>fitting. In my case there is no leak. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>Yes - I forgot about delivery valve seals - those would cause poor
>idling.
>
>On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM, clay monroe 
>wrote:
>
>In neither Gump nor the 95 E300D have leaking delivery valves had an
>effect on starting.  The primer pump did issue with getting fuel to the
>IP
>in Gump.  The leakage was really obvious though, so there was no real
>mystery about there being a leak.
>
>clay
>
>
>On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:14 PM, OK Don wrote:
>
>In my experience, air leaks cause hard starting, but no effects at all
>once
>running.
>
>On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
>Would I see air bubbles anywhere?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Craig
>>
>wrote:
>
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis
>> wrote:
>
>Could the pump plunger thing- can't remember it's name spills fluid
>when I pump it. Could this be creating an air leak that would result in
>stumbling and stalling?
>
>The hand pump could indeed be creating an air leak.
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[OK Don]

What's funny? It's right on - BTDT!  I have found that rubbing fresh
parsely helps the remove the Diesel smell - if that's something you'd want
to do :-)

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
> Gerry
>
>  Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>>> Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
>>> perhaps guide me through it?
>>>
>>
> ..
>
>  Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
>> bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
>> or you.
>>
>> Find the bottom of the fuel tank.
>>
>> Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
>> container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
>> the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.
>>
>> Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
>> pliers (channelocks) can work well.
>>
>> Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
>> your shirt, and puddle under your back.
>>
>> Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
>> Tighten.
>>
>> Attach the hose to the hard line.
>>
>> Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
>> in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
>> Plan on a couple days.
>>
>> --   Philip
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Michael Canfield]

Jack up car so fuel tank strainer side is higher up.  Less fuel spilled on
you that way.  With an oil drain pan and a little patience the fuel tank
strainer is very easy to do and not really all that messy.  Use rags to
hold it and unscrew so the rag catches the fuel.
  Heck, on a 123 it is almost as easy to just temove the fuel tqnk so you
can check for plugged return and give it a good cleaning.  Only takes about
30 mins to remove the tank.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 7:36 AM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> My opinion: start simple and work to complicated.  When you've fixed what
> you know needs fixing, and completed all the simple and easy repairs, start
> working up to complex.
>
> Primer pump is toward the simple end, delivery valve seals toward the
> complex end.  Fuel tank strainer is toward the complex/hard end.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>
> >So I hear conflicting opinions about delivery valve seals. Some say not
> >to change them if there is no apparent leak at the IP below the
> >fitting. In my case there is no leak.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >
> >Yes - I forgot about delivery valve seals - those would cause poor
> >idling.
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM, clay monroe 
> >wrote:
> >
> >In neither Gump nor the 95 E300D have leaking delivery valves had an
> >effect on starting.  The primer pump did issue with getting fuel to the
> >IP
> >in Gump.  The leakage was really obvious though, so there was no real
> >mystery about there being a leak.
> >
> >clay
> >
> >
> >On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:14 PM, OK Don wrote:
> >
> >In my experience, air leaks cause hard starting, but no effects at all
> >once
> >running.
> >
> >On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> >
> >Would I see air bubbles anywhere?
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Craig
> >>
> >wrote:
> >
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis
> >> wrote:
> >
> >Could the pump plunger thing- can't remember it's name spills fluid
> >when I pump it. Could this be creating an air leak that would result in
> >stumbling and stalling?
> >
> >The hand pump could indeed be creating an air leak.
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
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> >1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Diesel, garlic, what's the difference:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:35 AM, OK Don  wrote:

What's funny? It's right on - BTDT!  I have found that rubbing fresh
parsely helps the remove the Diesel smell - if that's something you'd want
to do :-)

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
Gerry

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
perhaps guide me through it?


..

Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
or you.

Find the bottom of the fuel tank.

Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.

Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
pliers (channelocks) can work well.

Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
your shirt, and puddle under your back.

Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
Tighten.

Attach the hose to the hard line.

Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
Plan on a couple days.

--   Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yes, I agree. That will be my plan of action. Replace, glow plugs, replace 
primer pump, drive her hard, re-assess situation.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:

My opinion: start simple and work to complicated.  When you've fixed what you 
know needs fixing, and completed all the simple and easy repairs, start working 
up to complex.  

Primer pump is toward the simple end, delivery valve seals toward the complex 
end.  Fuel tank strainer is toward the complex/hard end.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

So I hear conflicting opinions about delivery valve seals. Some say not
to change them if there is no apparent leak at the IP below the
fitting. In my case there is no leak. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, OK Don  wrote:

Yes - I forgot about delivery valve seals - those would cause poor
idling.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM, clay monroe 
wrote:

In neither Gump nor the 95 E300D have leaking delivery valves had an
effect on starting.  The primer pump did issue with getting fuel to the
IP
in Gump.  The leakage was really obvious though, so there was no real
mystery about there being a leak.

clay


On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:14 PM, OK Don wrote:

In my experience, air leaks cause hard starting, but no effects at all
once
running.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Would I see air bubbles anywhere?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Craig
>
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis
> wrote:

Could the pump plunger thing- can't remember it's name spills fluid
when I pump it. Could this be creating an air leak that would result in
stumbling and stalling?

The hand pump could indeed be creating an air leak.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Thanks. These tips are all very helpful!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

Jack up car so fuel tank strainer side is higher up.  Less fuel spilled on
you that way.  With an oil drain pan and a little patience the fuel tank
strainer is very easy to do and not really all that messy.  Use rags to
hold it and unscrew so the rag catches the fuel.
 Heck, on a 123 it is almost as easy to just temove the fuel tqnk so you
can check for plugged return and give it a good cleaning.  Only takes about
30 mins to remove the tank.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 7:36 AM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

My opinion: start simple and work to complicated.  When you've fixed what
you know needs fixing, and completed all the simple and easy repairs, start
working up to complex.

Primer pump is toward the simple end, delivery valve seals toward the
complex end.  Fuel tank strainer is toward the complex/hard end.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

So I hear conflicting opinions about delivery valve seals. Some say not
to change them if there is no apparent leak at the IP below the
fitting. In my case there is no leak.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, OK Don  wrote:

Yes - I forgot about delivery valve seals - those would cause poor
idling.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM, clay monroe 
wrote:

In neither Gump nor the 95 E300D have leaking delivery valves had an
effect on starting.  The primer pump did issue with getting fuel to the
IP
in Gump.  The leakage was really obvious though, so there was no real
mystery about there being a leak.

clay


On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:14 PM, OK Don wrote:

In my experience, air leaks cause hard starting, but no effects at all
once
running.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Would I see air bubbles anywhere?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Craig
>
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis
> wrote:

Could the pump plunger thing- can't remember it's name spills fluid
when I pump it. Could this be creating an air leak that would result in
stumbling and stalling?

The hand pump could indeed be creating an air leak.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Michael Canfield]

Garlic causes gas.  Diesel causes headaches and divorce.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 9:48 AM, "Dimitri Seretakis"  wrote:

> Diesel, garlic, what's the difference:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:35 AM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> What's funny? It's right on - BTDT!  I have found that rubbing fresh
> parsely helps the remove the Diesel smell - if that's something you'd want
> to do :-)
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gerry Archer  >wrote:
>
> ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
> Gerry
>
> Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
> perhaps guide me through it?
>
>
> ..
>
> Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
> bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
> or you.
>
> Find the bottom of the fuel tank.
>
> Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
> container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
> the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.
>
> Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
> pliers (channelocks) can work well.
>
> Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
> your shirt, and puddle under your back.
>
> Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
> Tighten.
>
> Attach the hose to the hard line.
>
> Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
> in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
> Plan on a couple days.
>
> --   Philip
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Michael Canfield]

I would also replace fuel lines before next test run.  Or simply attach a
small motorcycle tank or the like under the hood and take it for a spin.
If the problem goes away then you know it is before the primer pump.  If it
persists then it is at or after the primer.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 9:51 AM, "Dimitri Seretakis"  wrote:

> Yes, I agree. That will be my plan of action. Replace, glow plugs, replace
> primer pump, drive her hard, re-assess situation.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
>
> My opinion: start simple and work to complicated.  When you've fixed what
> you know needs fixing, and completed all the simple and easy repairs, start
> working up to complex.
>
> Primer pump is toward the simple end, delivery valve seals toward the
> complex end.  Fuel tank strainer is toward the complex/hard end.
> --
> Max Dillon
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> '87 300TD
>
> Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>
> So I hear conflicting opinions about delivery valve seals. Some say not
> to change them if there is no apparent leak at the IP below the
> fitting. In my case there is no leak.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> Yes - I forgot about delivery valve seals - those would cause poor
> idling.
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM, clay monroe 
> wrote:
>
> In neither Gump nor the 95 E300D have leaking delivery valves had an
> effect on starting.  The primer pump did issue with getting fuel to the
> IP
> in Gump.  The leakage was really obvious though, so there was no real
> mystery about there being a leak.
>
> clay
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:14 PM, OK Don wrote:
>
> In my experience, air leaks cause hard starting, but no effects at all
> once
> running.
>
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
> Would I see air bubbles anywhere?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Craig
> >
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis
> > wrote:
>
> Could the pump plunger thing- can't remember it's name spills fluid
> when I pump it. Could this be creating an air leak that would result in
> stumbling and stalling?
>
> The hand pump could indeed be creating an air leak.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Randy Bennell]

..Remove as much fuel as possible. The 
strainer is at the very bottom and any left in the tank will run out 
onto the ground - or you. Find the bottom of the fuel tank. Remove the 
hose from the hard line going forward. Have a container to catch some of 
the fuel you left in the tank. If the screen is plugged, not all will 
come out the hose. Unscrew the fuel strainer. It is a very large hex. 
Water pump pliers (channelocks) can work well. Let the rest of the fuel 
in the tank run down your arm, soak your shirt, and puddle under your 
back. Put the new one in. Be sure the rubber seal is in place. Tighten. 
Attach the hose to the hard line. Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause 
you won't be allowed back in the house until you don't smell like raw 
diesel anymore. Plan on a couple days. -- Philip


Use $2 oil sucker and empty the tank?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mobil wifi hotspot connections

[Tim C]

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
> I've got 4G-LTE through Big Red, and I get 14Mb down, 5Mb up.
> That's indoors on the edge of service (1 bar, can't find a REAL dB value...).

Network signal widget.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Rich Thomas]

Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not 
play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon 
pumps would be fine.


--R

On 9/12/12 10:55 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
..Remove as much fuel as possible. The 
strainer is at the very bottom and any left in the tank will run out 
onto the ground - or you. Find the bottom of the fuel tank. Remove the 
hose from the hard line going forward. Have a container to catch some 
of the fuel you left in the tank. If the screen is plugged, not all 
will come out the hose. Unscrew the fuel strainer. It is a very large 
hex. Water pump pliers (channelocks) can work well. Let the rest of 
the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak your shirt, and puddle 
under your back. Put the new one in. Be sure the rubber seal is in 
place. Tighten. Attach the hose to the hard line. Set up a tent in the 
back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back in the house until you 
don't smell like raw diesel anymore. Plan on a couple days. -- Philip


Use $2 oil sucker and empty the tank?

Randy
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Jim Cathey]

Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might 
not play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered 
siphon pumps would be fine.


AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Jim Cathey]

Diesel, garlic, what's the difference:)


One repels blood-sucking parasites.  The other repels vampires!

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[MBZ] who wanted a 96 SL?

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3266580108.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 96 SL?

[Rich Thomas]

There are a coupla white ones listed too

--R

On 9/12/12 11:16 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3266580108.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Vampirettes?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

Diesel, garlic, what's the difference:)

One repels blood-sucking parasites.  The other repels vampires!

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Rich Thomas]

The question regarded the $2 sucker, which is (at least for mine) 
powered by a shop vac.  The extraction fumes go through the vac, and 
that would be a bit of concern, to me at least.But YMMV.


I recall my boss when I worked at the FBO summers, telling me about an 
experience when he was flying helos in VN.  Some crew chief ASSerted 
that the turbine fuel could not explode so that the usual grounding 
practices when refueling were not necessary, and my boss took exception 
to that ASSertion.  A coupla days later a helo exploded when the 
refueler stuck the nozzle in without previously grounding things, 
killing the refueler and destroying gummint property.  The moral was 
that being safe took little effort, and it was, well, safe.


--R

On 9/12/12 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might 
not play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered 
siphon pumps would be fine.


AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Michael Canfield]

I would be very worried about using a shop vac..run car til almost out
of fuel first so what is left can be caught in a large drain pan when you
pull off the hose.  It is still running and doesn't stumble at highway
speed so I am betting the fuel strainer will let all of the fuel out when
you unhook the hose.

Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside the car.
Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and swap fuel cans as they
get full.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> The question regarded the $2 sucker, which is (at least for mine) powered
> by a shop vac.  The extraction fumes go through the vac, and that would be
> a bit of concern, to me at least.But YMMV.
>
> I recall my boss when I worked at the FBO summers, telling me about an
> experience when he was flying helos in VN.  Some crew chief ASSerted that
> the turbine fuel could not explode so that the usual grounding practices
> when refueling were not necessary, and my boss took exception to that
> ASSertion.  A coupla days later a helo exploded when the refueler stuck the
> nozzle in without previously grounding things, killing the refueler and
> destroying gummint property.  The moral was that being safe took little
> effort, and it was, well, safe.
>
> --R
>
> On 9/12/12 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>> Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not
>>> play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps
>>> would be fine.
>>>
>>
>> AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
>> vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Craig]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:15:46 -0400 Michael Canfield 
wrote:

> Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside the car.
> Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and swap fuel cans as they
> get full.

You can use a pair of vise-grips and a couple of washers (to spread out
the force) to pinch the stock line before you disconnect it from the hard
line that runs to the engine compartment. Once you have it disconnected,
you can put a jug under the free end, open the vise-grips until the jug
is full, close the vise-grips, change the jug, and repeat. Works great
with little spilled.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Randy Bennell]

I don't think I would be too worried about the vacuum cleaner setting 
off diesel fuel.

Gasoline, might make me more cautious.

Randy

On 12/09/2012 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might 
not play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered 
siphon pumps would be fine.


--R

On 9/12/12 10:55 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
..Remove as much fuel as possible. The 
strainer is at the very bottom and any left in the tank will run out 
onto the ground - or you. Find the bottom of the fuel tank. Remove 
the hose from the hard line going forward. Have a container to catch 
some of the fuel you left in the tank. If the screen is plugged, not 
all will come out the hose. Unscrew the fuel strainer. It is a very 
large hex. Water pump pliers (channelocks) can work well. Let the 
rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak your shirt, and 
puddle under your back. Put the new one in. Be sure the rubber seal 
is in place. Tighten. Attach the hose to the hard line. Set up a tent 
in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back in the house until 
you don't smell like raw diesel anymore. Plan on a couple days. -- 
Philip


Use $2 oil sucker and empty the tank?

Randy
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Dieselhead]

All this could very well just be a bad hose at the tank.  Few people 
change those, except the folks on this list.  I have ended up 
changing that on almost every MB I have owned somewhere around the 
20-25 year old range.  On #1 daughter's gasser, I paid rusty big 
bucks for the OE hose to and from the rear fuel pump/filter and the 
tank



There are two hoses at the tank.  one to the engine and one return.



I would be very worried about using a shop vac..run car til almost out
of fuel first so what is left can be caught in a large drain pan when you
pull off the hose.  It is still running and doesn't stumble at highway
speed so I am betting the fuel strainer will let all of the fuel out when
you unhook the hose.

Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside the car.
Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and swap fuel cans as they
get full.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


 The question regarded the $2 sucker, which is (at least for mine) powered
 by a shop vac.  The extraction fumes go through the vac, and that would be
 a bit of concern, to me at least.But YMMV.

 I recall my boss when I worked at the FBO summers, telling me about an
 experience when he was flying helos in VN.  Some crew chief ASSerted that
 the turbine fuel could not explode so that the usual grounding practices
 when refueling were not necessary, and my boss took exception to that
 ASSertion.  A coupla days later a helo exploded when the refueler stuck the
 nozzle in without previously grounding things, killing the refueler and
 destroying gummint property.  The moral was that being safe took little
 effort, and it was, well, safe.

 --R

 On 9/12/12 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


 Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not

 play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps
 would be fine.



 AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
 vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Randy Bennell]

I will bow to more experienced folks. I don't have a $2 oil sucker or a 
car that it would work on so I have not used one.


I have a $150 sucker that uses the air compressor to create a vaccum in 
a tank that is then used to withdraw oil but it is for the boat.


Would not have to worry about it as the compressor is not connected to 
it when it is working.


Randy

On 12/09/2012 11:15 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

I would be very worried about using a shop vac..run car til almost out
of fuel first so what is left can be caught in a large drain pan when you
pull off the hose.  It is still running and doesn't stumble at highway
speed so I am betting the fuel strainer will let all of the fuel out when
you unhook the hose.

Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside the car.
Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and swap fuel cans as they
get full.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


The question regarded the $2 sucker, which is (at least for mine) powered
by a shop vac.  The extraction fumes go through the vac, and that would be
a bit of concern, to me at least.But YMMV.

I recall my boss when I worked at the FBO summers, telling me about an
experience when he was flying helos in VN.  Some crew chief ASSerted that
the turbine fuel could not explode so that the usual grounding practices
when refueling were not necessary, and my boss took exception to that
ASSertion.  A coupla days later a helo exploded when the refueler stuck the
nozzle in without previously grounding things, killing the refueler and
destroying gummint property.  The moral was that being safe took little
effort, and it was, well, safe.

--R

On 9/12/12 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not

play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps
would be fine.


AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.

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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Craig]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:46:48 -0500 Randy Bennell 
wrote:

> I don't think I would be too worried about the vacuum cleaner setting 
> off diesel fuel.

It's true one can put out a match in a container of diesel, but the
vacuum cleaner would be dealing with diesel vapors, which might be a
different story.


> Gasoline, might make me more cautious.

I certainly hope it would! As in, don't even think of it!


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Michael Canfield]

That would work very well for the job.  Diesel sure isn't going to hurt
that.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 12:56 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> I will bow to more experienced folks. I don't have a $2 oil sucker or a
> car that it would work on so I have not used one.
>
> I have a $150 sucker that uses the air compressor to create a vaccum in a
> tank that is then used to withdraw oil but it is for the boat.
>
> Would not have to worry about it as the compressor is not connected to it
> when it is working.
>
> Randy
>
> On 12/09/2012 11:15 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> I would be very worried about using a shop vac..run car til almost out
>> of fuel first so what is left can be caught in a large drain pan when you
>> pull off the hose.  It is still running and doesn't stumble at highway
>> speed so I am betting the fuel strainer will let all of the fuel out when
>> you unhook the hose.
>>
>> Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside the car.
>> Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and swap fuel cans as they
>> get full.
>>
>> Mike
>> On Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  The question regarded the $2 sucker, which is (at least for mine) powered
>>> by a shop vac.  The extraction fumes go through the vac, and that would
>>> be
>>> a bit of concern, to me at least.But YMMV.
>>>
>>> I recall my boss when I worked at the FBO summers, telling me about an
>>> experience when he was flying helos in VN.  Some crew chief ASSerted that
>>> the turbine fuel could not explode so that the usual grounding practices
>>> when refueling were not necessary, and my boss took exception to that
>>> ASSertion.  A coupla days later a helo exploded when the refueler stuck
>>> the
>>> nozzle in without previously grounding things, killing the refueler and
>>> destroying gummint property.  The moral was that being safe took little
>>> effort, and it was, well, safe.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> On 9/12/12 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>>>
>>>  Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not

> play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon
> pumps
> would be fine.
>
>  AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
 vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.

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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[OK Don]

I bought a simple had crank pump from Ace Hardware a number of years back
that work well for this type of work. The suction tube has a screened
weight at the pickup end that drops into the tank, crank away. It will
syphon once it's going.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Craig  wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:46:48 -0500 Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
>
> > I don't think I would be too worried about the vacuum cleaner setting
> > off diesel fuel.
>
> It's true one can put out a match in a container of diesel, but the
> vacuum cleaner would be dealing with diesel vapors, which might be a
> different story.
>
>
> > Gasoline, might make me more cautious.
>
> I certainly hope it would! As in, don't even think of it!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Dieselhead]

I will bow to more experienced folks. I don't have a $2 oil sucker 
or a car that it would work on so I have not used one.


I have a $150 sucker that uses the air compressor to create a vaccum 
in a tank that is then used to withdraw oil but it is for the boat.


Would not have to worry about it as the compressor is not connected 
to it when it is working.



Randy



I have a $15 sucker that uses air also.  It is a $12 HF air/vacuum 
box and an old chrome soda/vinegar fire extinguisher ($3).   I have a 
truck/tractor lock-on air chuck on the vacuum box on a short hose. 
The chuck hooks onto the air fitting on the tank to evacuate the 
tank.  The hose from the tank fits nicely inside the dipstick on OM 
engines equipped for sucking.  In the FE handle, I drilled an extra 
hole so I can use the safety pin to hold the valve open rather than 
to prevent the valve form opening.


Hook it up, then plug in the air hose and suck away.   When the oil 
is out, unplug the air hose


TO empty the tank, I put the air chuck on the air hose and blow a 
little air into the tank.  with a gallon or 5 gallon used oil 
bottle/can under the hose, open the valve and the tank self empties. 
Putting too much air pressure in the tank can make it a bit messy, 
but it works well otherwise.


No vacuum cleaner involved

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Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 96 SL?

[WILTON]

Black/black; hafta let it go.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 96 SL?



There are a coupla white ones listed too

--R

On 9/12/12 11:16 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3266580108.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Fmiser]

> Michael Canfield wrote:

> Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside
> the car. Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and
> swap fuel cans as they get full.

Except if the strainer is plugged, it still won't empty the
tank.  The fuel will stop running out when the level drops below
the lowest open spot.  

Since the reason for this exercise is a poor running engine, if
the cause is indeed a gunked up intake screen it will not let
all the fuel run out.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[WILTON]

Reminds me:  In about '69, 'needed fuel one day to finish cutting grass in 
yard; in too much of hurry; knew that fuel was high in tank in left quarter 
panel of '65 Pontiac; easy to siphon; didn't need much; stuck small tube  in 
tank with gallon can ready; sucked lightly on tube by mouth to start siphon; 
didn't quite make it first time; sucked a little harder; got little bit of 
fuel in mouth, but lota fumes in lungs.  Absolutely could not breath; 'knew 
I was dead if I could not get small breath; just before passing out, I 
forced myself to compress chest slightly with my arms and was able to suck 
ever so slight bit of air through my nose with mouth closed; was then able 
to get just slightly bigger bit of air, then a little more, etc., until I 
had expelled the fumes and saved my a$$ right there in the driveway.  SWMBO 
never knew that I was almost "gone;" embarrassed to tell her then; 
embarrassed to tell you now, but if it'll help keep somebody else from doing 
such a stupid thing, maybe I can stand it.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs


I don't think I would be too worried about the vacuum cleaner setting off 
diesel fuel.

Gasoline, might make me more cautious.

Randy

On 12/09/2012 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not 
play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps 
would be fine.


--R

On 9/12/12 10:55 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
..Remove as much fuel as possible. The 
strainer is at the very bottom and any left in the tank will run out 
onto the ground - or you. Find the bottom of the fuel tank. Remove the 
hose from the hard line going forward. Have a container to catch some of 
the fuel you left in the tank. If the screen is plugged, not all will 
come out the hose. Unscrew the fuel strainer. It is a very large hex. 
Water pump pliers (channelocks) can work well. Let the rest of the fuel 
in the tank run down your arm, soak your shirt, and puddle under your 
back. Put the new one in. Be sure the rubber seal is in place. Tighten. 
Attach the hose to the hard line. Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause 
you won't be allowed back in the house until you don't smell like raw 
diesel anymore. Plan on a couple days. -- 
Philip


Use $2 oil sucker and empty the tank?

Randy
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[WILTON]

What?  You don't have a Mercedes at all?

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs


I will bow to more experienced folks. I don't have a $2 oil sucker or a car 
that it would work on so I have not used one.


I have a $150 sucker that uses the air compressor to create a vaccum in a 
tank that is then used to withdraw oil but it is for the boat.


Would not have to worry about it as the compressor is not connected to it 
when it is working.


Randy

On 12/09/2012 11:15 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
I would be very worried about using a shop vac..run car til almost 
out

of fuel first so what is left can be caught in a large drain pan when you
pull off the hose.  It is still running and doesn't stumble at highway
speed so I am betting the fuel strainer will let all of the fuel out when
you unhook the hose.

Another option is a long piece of fuel line into a can beside the car.
Unhook stock line, slip long one in its place and swap fuel cans as they
get full.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 12:07 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

The question regarded the $2 sucker, which is (at least for mine) 
powered
by a shop vac.  The extraction fumes go through the vac, and that would 
be

a bit of concern, to me at least.But YMMV.

I recall my boss when I worked at the FBO summers, telling me about an
experience when he was flying helos in VN.  Some crew chief ASSerted 
that

the turbine fuel could not explode so that the usual grounding practices
when refueling were not necessary, and my boss took exception to that
ASSertion.  A coupla days later a helo exploded when the refueler stuck 
the

nozzle in without previously grounding things, killing the refueler and
destroying gummint property.  The moral was that being safe took little
effort, and it was, well, safe.

--R

On 9/12/12 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might 
not
play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon 
pumps

would be fine.


AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Randy Bennell]

Well, what I have is a 115 and it is not really set up for the $2 oil 
sucker change. I still have to crawl under to pull the filter so I just 
pull the drain plug too.
Got a filter setup from a 123 from a good fellow on the list here but 
have not got to  swapping it in as yet. Maybe one day I too will enjoy 
changing oil from up top.

Good thing I only do it once each year.

Randy

On 12/09/2012 1:22 PM, WILTON wrote:

What?  You don't have a Mercedes at all?

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs


I will bow to more experienced folks. I don't have a $2 oil sucker or 
a car that it would work on so I have not used one.


I have a $150 sucker that uses the air compressor to create a vaccum 
in a tank that is then used to withdraw oil but it is for the boat.


Would not have to worry about it as the compressor is not connected 
to it when it is working.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[G Mann]

Invest in an electronic fuel pump from your local FLAPS. Low pressure cheap
one is good enough, a few feet of fuel hose, tap into the fuel delivery
hose from the tank where it comes out in engine bay. 12V pump will run on
your battery charger [you have one don't you?] plug it all together, put
the outlet hose from the pump in suitable container and pump the tank
dry THEN... open the bottom if the strainer is clogged... reverse
the pump and pump about a gallon of fresh fuel INTO the tank to "blow" the
crud away from the strainer... then pump it down... should end up with very
little fuel in the tank that way... worth the cost of owning an electric
pump.

FWIW,
Grant...

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not
>> play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps
>> would be fine.
>>
>
> AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
> vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Walt Zarnoch]

IIRC Mythbusters sucked up a half gallon of gas into a shopvac, and
left it run for quite a while without any "boom".

Diesel, being harder to ignite due to the vapor pressure difference,
should at least be as safe.

Still gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about sucking that stuff up though...

Walt

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> Invest in an electronic fuel pump from your local FLAPS. Low pressure cheap
> one is good enough, a few feet of fuel hose, tap into the fuel delivery
> hose from the tank where it comes out in engine bay. 12V pump will run on
> your battery charger [you have one don't you?] plug it all together, put
> the outlet hose from the pump in suitable container and pump the tank
> dry THEN... open the bottom if the strainer is clogged... reverse
> the pump and pump about a gallon of fresh fuel INTO the tank to "blow" the
> crud away from the strainer... then pump it down... should end up with very
> little fuel in the tank that way... worth the cost of owning an electric
> pump.
>
> FWIW,
> Grant...
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
>> Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not
>>> play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps
>>> would be fine.
>>>
>>
>> AC vacuum pumps (Robinaire, etc.) don't spark.  Actual piston/diapragm
>> vacum pumps don't spark.  Only a shop-vac vacuum source sparks.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethelred is now Ready

[andrew strasfogel]

Porches?

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh lord, won't you buy my Mercedes Benz :)
>
> My friends all drive porches, I must make amends
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[andrew strasfogel]

Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While I wait 
> for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This reminds me that a 
> steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years ago. I cut out a section and 
> spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if this isn't a potential source.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to 85-95C 
> then a new thermostat would be called for.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
> From: Max Dillon 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd replace 
> that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug holes, flattened 
> glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle quality gets better, drive on 
> and don't worry about the compression.  All these problems may have carboned 
> the rings and pre-chambers and valve seats, and now you need to burn that off 
> to get a valid compression test.
>
> A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.
>
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[andrew strasfogel]

Remember - if this works, since this was my idea I get at least 50
percent of the  credit.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
 wrote:
> Thanks! Sounds like a dirty job!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>
> Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
> Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
> perhaps guide me through it?
>
> Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
> bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
> or you.
>
> Find the bottom of the fuel tank.
>
> Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
> container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
> the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.
>
> Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
> pliers (channelocks) can work well.
>
> Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
> your shirt, and puddle under your back.
>
> Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
> Tighten.
>
> Attach the hose to the hard line.
>
> Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
> in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
> Plan on a couple days.
>
> --   Philip
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[WILTON]

It SPRANG a leak coupla years ago, but maybe it had SPRUNG a leak before. 
;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "andrew strasfogel" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test



Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
wrote:
Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While I 
wait for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This reminds 
me that a steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years ago. I cut out 
a section and spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if this isn't a 
potential source.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to 85-95C 
then a new thermostat would be called for.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd 
replace that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug 
holes, flattened glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle quality 
gets better, drive on and don't worry about the compression.  All these 
problems may have carboned the rings and pre-chambers and valve seats, 
and now you need to burn that off to get a valid compression test.


A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dimitri Seretakis]

If it works, how would I repay you? I'm tomato poor:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:08 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

Remember - if this works, since this was my idea I get at least 50
percent of the  credit.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
 wrote:
Thanks! Sounds like a dirty job!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
perhaps guide me through it?

Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
or you.

Find the bottom of the fuel tank.

Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.

Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
pliers (channelocks) can work well.

Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
your shirt, and puddle under your back.

Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
Tighten.

Attach the hose to the hard line.

Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
Plan on a couple days.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Maybe I'm developing a southern twang?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:12 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It SPRANG a leak coupla years ago, but maybe it had SPRUNG a leak before. ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test


Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While I wait for 
those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This reminds me that a steel 
fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years ago. I cut out a section and spliced 
in some fuel hose. I wonder if this isn't a potential source.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to 85-95C then 
a new thermostat would be called for.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd replace 
that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug holes, flattened 
glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle quality gets better, drive on and 
don't worry about the compression.  All these problems may have carboned the 
rings and pre-chambers and valve seats, and now you need to burn that off to 
get a valid compression test.

A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 96 SL?

[andrew strasfogel]

Ugly design, must pass.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:00 PM, WILTON  wrote:
> Black/black; hafta let it go.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wanted a 96 SL?
>
>
>
>> There are a coupla white ones listed too
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 9/12/12 11:16 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3266580108.html
>>>
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Fmiser]

> Walt Zarnoch wrote:

> IIRC Mythbusters sucked up a half gallon of gas into a
> shopvac, and left it run for quite a while without any "boom".

I personally know someone who used a car wash vacuum cleaner to
clean up a gasoline spill in the truck.  It exploded.  No one
was seriously injured, but the establishment pursued collecting
damages. The fellow was not much sharper than a marble.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I was on the fence over which to use. I chose sprang. Grammar was  
never my forte! Now I know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, andrew strasfogel   
wrote:

> Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  > wrote:
>> Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While  
>> I wait for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This  
>> reminds me that a steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years  
>> ago. I cut out a section and spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if  
>> this isn't a potential source.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond   
>> wrote:
>>
>> I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to  
>> 85-95C then a new thermostat would be called for.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
>> From: Max Dillon 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd  
>> replace that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug  
>> holes, flattened glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle  
>> quality gets better, drive on and don't worry about the  
>> compression.  All these problems may have carboned the rings and  
>> pre-chambers and valve seats, and now you need to burn that off to  
>> get a valid compression test.
>>
>> A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.
>>
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[andrew strasfogel]

Actually, in the context of this Discussion Group "sproing" is also correct.

I grow tomatoes, you harvest lobsters.  Even trade.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> Maybe I'm developing a southern twang?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:12 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>
> It SPRANG a leak coupla years ago, but maybe it had SPRUNG a leak before. ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
>
>
> Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
> wrote:
> Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While I wait 
> for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This reminds me that a 
> steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years ago. I cut out a section and 
> spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if this isn't a potential source.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to 85-95C 
> then a new thermostat would be called for.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
> From: Max Dillon 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd replace 
> that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug holes, flattened 
> glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle quality gets better, drive on 
> and don't worry about the compression.  All these problems may have carboned 
> the rings and pre-chambers and valve seats, and now you need to burn that off 
> to get a valid compression test.
>
> A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.
>
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[WILTON]

I was trying to tell you, "You got it right."  It SPRANG in the past, but it 
HAD SPRUNG before that.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test



I was on the fence over which to use. I chose sprang. Grammar was
never my forte! Now I know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, andrew strasfogel 
wrote:


Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While
I wait for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This
reminds me that a steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years
ago. I cut out a section and spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if
this isn't a potential source.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:

I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to
85-95C then a new thermostat would be called for.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd
replace that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug
holes, flattened glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle
quality gets better, drive on and don't worry about the
compression.  All these problems may have carboned the rings and
pre-chambers and valve seats, and now you need to burn that off to
get a valid compression test.

A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Frederick Moir]

Prefer Lindt & Sprungli to any of them.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Dimitri Seretakis 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
> 
>I was on the fence over which to use. I chose sprang. Grammar was  
>never my forte! Now I know.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, andrew strasfogel   
>wrote:
>
>> Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis > > wrote:
>>> Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While  
>>> I wait for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This  
>>> reminds me that a steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years  
>>> ago. I cut out a section and spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if  
>>> this isn't a potential source.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Well thanks. Guess I'm not an illiterate fool after all!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:28 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

I was trying to tell you, "You got it right."  It SPRANG in the past, but it 
HAD SPRUNG before that.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:46 PM
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I was on the fence over which to use. I chose sprang. Grammar was
never my forte! Now I know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, andrew strasfogel 
wrote:

Sprang?  I think you mean "sprung".

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
Today I ordered four glow plugs and a primer pump from Rusty. While
I wait for those I'll look for fuel line leaks under my car. This
reminds me that a steel fuel line sprang a leak a couple of years
ago. I cut out a section and spliced in some fuel hose. I wonder if
this isn't a potential source.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:

I concur with this 100%, also if you temp doesn't come right up to
85-95C then a new thermostat would be called for.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:51:37 -0500
From: Max Dillon 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test
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No.  This could be your current problem (leaking primer pump).  I'd
replace that and the glow plugs (don't forget to ream the glow plug
holes, flattened glow plug would do the trick) and if the idle
quality gets better, drive on and don't worry about the
compression.  All these problems may have carboned the rings and
pre-chambers and valve seats, and now you need to burn that off to
get a valid compression test.

A dose of diesel purge might also be called for.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Curt Raymond]

I have a suction kit I made with a boat squeezebulb primer and 2 lengths of 
hose, works sweet, dip one end in the fuel, one end in the can, squeeze the 
bulb a couple times, wait for the suction to do its thing.
They sell one as a set at Tractor Supply but its not as good because my model 
has checkvalves and will only pump on way. Theirs you have to put your finger 
over the end and get gas on your finger...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:20:15 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs
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Reminds me:  In about '69, 'needed fuel one day to finish cutting grass in 
yard; in too much of hurry; knew that fuel was high in tank in left quarter 
panel of '65 Pontiac; easy to siphon; didn't need much; stuck small tube  in 
tank with gallon can ready; sucked lightly on tube by mouth to start siphon; 
didn't quite make it first time; sucked a little harder; got little bit of 
fuel in mouth, but lota fumes in lungs.  Absolutely could not breath; 'knew 
I was dead if I could not get small breath; just before passing out, I 
forced myself to compress chest slightly with my arms and was able to suck 
ever so slight bit of air through my nose with mouth closed; was then able 
to get just slightly bigger bit of air, then a little more, etc., until I 
had expelled the fumes and saved my a$$ right there in the driveway.  SWMBO 
never knew that I was almost "gone;" embarrassed to tell her then; 
embarrassed to tell you now, but if it'll help keep somebody else from doing 
such a stupid thing, maybe I can stand it.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[Dieselhead]

I was trying to tell you, "You got it right."  It SPRANG in the 
past, but it HAD SPRUNG before that.


Wilton


Spring, Sprang, Sprung

Sproing was the sound the spring made when it sprung from the spring 
perch on my rusty 210.  Fortunately, the spring was not sprung.   I 
sprang out of my seat when I heard the spring go sproing.


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[MBZ] Tek T922 oscil

[Dieselhead]

Well the junk sale has some tektronics T 922 oscilloscopes for sale 
at $20.  Seems like a deal, but for the few times I think one would 
be handy, I am not sure it is worth the time and space it would take 
up.  I'd probably have to spend $40 or more for some leads.  What do 
you all think of such a scope?


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[MBZ] Printing Article

[Dan Penoff]

Who is it that's into old printing presses?  They will enjoy this article:

http://printmag.com/Article/Death-of-a-Pressman

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Tek T922 oscil

[Fmiser]

> Dieselhead wrote:

> Well the junk sale has some tektronics T 922 oscilloscopes for
> sale at $20.  Seems like a deal, but for the few times I think
> one would be handy, I am not sure it is worth the time and
> space it would take up.  I'd probably have to spend $40 or
> more for some leads.  What do you all think of such a scope?

Bargain leads from Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/100MHz-Oscilloscope-Clip-Probes-Accessory/dp/B0030KWM30

When you need a 'scope there's not much else that will do the
job.  However, they can be handy for any number of task where
they're not required.  

But if you don't know how to use it, it will probably not get
used much - until you learn.  

A T922 is pretty old.  Google says 15 MHz.  That's enough for
very basic stuff.  Probably nearly all automotive needs except
for ECM internals.  But like any tool, "big" is better, and no
matter what size it is, Murphy says you'll find a task that need
higher frequency, higher voltage, more traces, etc. *smiles*

$150 is about the entry price for computer 'scopes.  These
depend on the computer screen for displaying.  Handheld LCD
screen 'scopes start at about $200.  

Conclusion.  If you have a clue how use one - or want to learn,
$20 sounds like a fine price.  It may be all you need.  If you
out grow it, view it as cheap education. 

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test

[WILTON]

It "SPRANG from the spring perch on  my rusty 210."

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing glow plugs for compression test


>I was trying to tell you, "You got it right."  It SPRANG in the 

past, but it HAD SPRUNG before that.

Wilton


Spring, Sprang, Sprung

Sproing was the sound the spring made when it sprung from the spring 
perch on my rusty 210.  Fortunately, the spring was not sprung.   I 
sprang out of my seat when I heard the spring go sproing.


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Re: [MBZ] Tek T922 oscil

[Rich Thomas]

Cheap enough.  What does one of those things weigh?  Where do you live?

--R

On 9/12/12 9:18 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Well the junk sale has some tektronics T 922 oscilloscopes for sale at 
$20.  Seems like a deal, but for the few times I think one would be 
handy, I am not sure it is worth the time and space it would take up.  
I'd probably have to spend $40 or more for some leads.  What do you 
all think of such a scope?


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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Gerry Archer]

What's funny is the tent in the back yard.  You had to do that?
Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

What's funny? It's right on - BTDT!  I have found that rubbing fresh
parsely helps the remove the Diesel smell - if that's something you'd want
to do :-)

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:



ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
Gerry

 Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
perhaps guide me through it?




..

 Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very

bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
or you.

Find the bottom of the fuel tank.

Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.

Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
pliers (channelocks) can work well.

Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
your shirt, and puddle under your back.

Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
Tighten.

Attach the hose to the hard line.

Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
Plan on a couple days.

--   Philip




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Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes and bedding

[Hendrik & Fay]

No mention was made of bedding the brakes in?
Recently put some ATE ceramics pads on the rear with new rotors, 
instructions for bedding in brakes where very specific and lenghty, 
typical German style.


Hendrik
who took the car for a trash around the block to get some heat in the brakes

On 11/09/12 05:39, Max Dillon wrote:

Very nice.


Curt Raymond  wrote:


My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D "made a noise and then got
quiet" and it scared her. Apparently her definition of "quiet" and mine
aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an
ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so
I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed.

Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without
pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the
passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the
preload. Well yesterday that &^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love
nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat
the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper
when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of.

On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would
NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the
small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't
realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side
the pads were fine... I*think*  when I did the bearing I got grease on
the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes.

Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they
were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an
application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones
which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick.
They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked "Made in
Germany" on the rim.

My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in
the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[OK Don]

Well, it was threatened anyway --- My clothes did stay in the backyard
through a few rain storms before they found their way to the laundramat -
they were not welcome in the wife's machine.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> What's funny is the tent in the back yard.  You had to do that?
> Gerry
>
> From: "OK Don" 
>
>> What's funny? It's right on - BTDT!  I have found that rubbing fresh
>> parsely helps the remove the Diesel smell - if that's something you'd want
>> to do :-)
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gerry Archer **
>> wrote:
>>
>>  ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
>>> Gerry
>>>
>>>  Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>>>
 Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
> perhaps guide me through it?
>
>
  ..
>>>
>>>  Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
>>>
 bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
 or you.

 Find the bottom of the fuel tank.

 Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
 container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
 the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.

 Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
 pliers (channelocks) can work well.

 Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
 your shirt, and puddle under your back.

 Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
 Tighten.

 Attach the hose to the hard line.

 Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
 in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
 Plan on a couple days.

 --   Philip


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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Michael Canfield]

A friend of mine nearly died from inhaling diesel fuel into his lungs.
Apparently there is no way for the doctors to clean it out of your lungs
and the algae and bacteria the diesel contains are the actual risk rather
than the fuel so his doctor told him.  Doc said as far as he knew no one
who inhaled the new ULSD fuel when siphoning had survived until Artie.
Damn lucky his Doc said.  Lethal stuff.

Mike
On Sep 12, 2012 2:21 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Reminds me:  In about '69, 'needed fuel one day to finish cutting grass in
> yard; in too much of hurry; knew that fuel was high in tank in left quarter
> panel of '65 Pontiac; easy to siphon; didn't need much; stuck small tube
>  in tank with gallon can ready; sucked lightly on tube by mouth to start
> siphon; didn't quite make it first time; sucked a little harder; got little
> bit of fuel in mouth, but lota fumes in lungs.  Absolutely could not
> breath; 'knew I was dead if I could not get small breath; just before
> passing out, I forced myself to compress chest slightly with my arms and
> was able to suck ever so slight bit of air through my nose with mouth
> closed; was then able to get just slightly bigger bit of air, then a little
> more, etc., until I had expelled the fumes and saved my a$$ right there in
> the driveway.  SWMBO never knew that I was almost "gone;" embarrassed to
> tell her then; embarrassed to tell you now, but if it'll help keep somebody
> else from doing such a stupid thing, maybe I can stand it.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs
>
>
>  I don't think I would be too worried about the vacuum cleaner setting off
>> diesel fuel.
>> Gasoline, might make me more cautious.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> On 12/09/2012 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, no.  Sparks and such from the sucker (if electric-powered) might not
>>> play nice with diesel fuel.  One of those cheap hand-powered siphon pumps
>>> would be fine.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> On 9/12/12 10:55 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>>>
 ..**Remove as much fuel as possible. The
 strainer is at the very bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto
 the ground - or you. Find the bottom of the fuel tank. Remove the hose from
 the hard line going forward. Have a container to catch some of the fuel you
 left in the tank. If the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.
 Unscrew the fuel strainer. It is a very large hex. Water pump pliers
 (channelocks) can work well. Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down
 your arm, soak your shirt, and puddle under your back. Put the new one in.
 Be sure the rubber seal is in place. Tighten. Attach the hose to the hard
 line. Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back in
 the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore. Plan on a couple
 days. -- Philip

 Use $2 oil sucker and empty the tank?

 Randy
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