Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[clay]

Sharpie and three sets of hand.  My indy said I am allowed to take the hood off 
as long as I do not touch anything under it

clay

On May 17, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> 3M Adhesive Remover is a magic elixir.  I always have at least one can in the 
> paint cabinet.  Amazing what that stuff can do.
> 
> My big problem with removing the hood is being able to get it aligned when 
> you put it back.  It's a tricky thing to do and take a lot of careful 
> attention to detail.. it can also be very frustrating.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Dan nailed it on the 3M part numbers.  
>> 
>> Have you ever removed and replaced your hood?  Removing the hood would
>> certainly make the pad replacement easier but I suspect hood R&R is not easy
>> and is probably at least a 2-person job.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[clay]

Were I able to put that hood to a 90 I would, but it only goes to 60 and then 
wants to hit me about the noggin

clay

On May 17, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> It's certainly your call, but if you get a couple of old sheets and drape 
> them over the front clip and engine compartment it does a good job of keeping 
> all the gunk from the old pad out of stuff.  I have done them on a ladder 
> with the hood at 90 degrees without too much effort.
> 
> I use a plastic body putty scraper for removing the old pad and adhesive.  
> It's pretty porous, so the adhesive remover will soak in well and do a quick 
> job of softening everything up so you can easily scrape the remnants off.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 7:32 PM, clay wrote:
> 
>> I was planning to remove the hood so that I could do a very good job of 
>> cleaning as well as to install the rear end pad.  That should also allow me 
>> to have gravity work for me than against me
>> 
>> clay
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[clay]

I tried the one man on the car job with Gump. That was a difficult and messy 
task.  Flat and easy to reach, without my head getting hit or glue coated pad 
jumping on me is much preferred

clay


On May 17, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> Dan nailed it on the 3M part numbers.  
> 
> Have you ever removed and replaced your hood?  Removing the hood would
> certainly make the pad replacement easier but I suspect hood R&R is not easy
> and is probably at least a 2-person job.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 7:32 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad
> 
> I was planning to remove the hood so that I could do a very good job of
> cleaning as well as to install the rear end pad.  That should also allow me
> to have gravity work for me than against me
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Just my experience:  I replaced the hood pad on my 82 300SD, maybe 15+
> years
>> ago.  Neither pad (old or replacement) had any foil.  The old pad was a
>> crumbly mess The smartest thing I did was to drape a drop cloth over the
>> engine to catch all the crap.  I scraped off as much of the old pad as I
>> could without damaging the paint and then used a 3M spray solvent and MANY
>> paper towels to get the rest.  It came really clean.  I installed the new
>> pad with a 3M spray glue on both surfaces; it worked like contact cement
> so
>> you have to position it right the first time.  I don't recall the specific
>> 3m products but a local auto supply place had them in stock.  As I recall,
>> there were two types of 3M spray glue and I used the stronger type.  The
>> replacement pad (from Rusty, about $50 as I recall) looks fine to this
> day.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
>> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:12 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad
>> 
>> I bought hood pads for both the '90 and '93 300D 2.5Ts from Q - the one
> for
>> the '90 had no foil at all, the one for the '93 had foil over the turbo
>> area. FWIW.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, clay  wrote:
>> 
>>> Would there be any other areas to de-foil?
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure the felt stuff will not attract much in the conductive
>>> manner.  The battery has covers for both terminals and I intended to
>> remove
>>> that foil anyway, just because.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Chris James]

OM60x Min specs I believe are: 0.3 bar at idle and at least 3 bar at
3000 rpm. Not sure what a 2.5 runs @ 60. 2200 RPM? So as long as it's
pegged by 80 your OK! :-)


Seriously though, from browsing the archive I'd replace both
the o-rings & oil filter to rule out any sealing/gasket issues. IF that
doesn't change anything you need to explore furtherbad relief valves
(filter and/or pump), worn oil pump, pickup screen blockages ect

Good luck!

On 5/17/2013 8:32 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

I changed the sender out today. No change. Will do the o-rings
tomorrow. I hope I haven't done any damage by running it with low
oil pressure.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

Should be about the same -- the reason you normally see 2 bar is that  
the cooling spray jets that spray oil onto the bottom of the pistons  
open at 2 bar.  Unless you have a really worn engine or a dying oil  
pump,  there is enough flow to open the jets at idle.


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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Craig]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 22:09:35 -0500 Peter Frederick 
wrote:

> On the turbos, minimum 0.5 bar at idle hot, must peg the gauge at 1500  
> rpm.
> 
> Typically you won't see less than 2 bar at idle unless you are stuck  
> in a traffic jam on a hot summer day with the AC on.

Is that for W124 turbos, as well as W123 turbos?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Peter Frederick]

On the turbos, minimum 0.5 bar at idle hot, must peg the gauge at 1500  
rpm.


Typically you won't see less than 2 bar at idle unless you are stuck  
in a traffic jam on a hot summer day with the AC on.


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Re: [MBZ] foil

[clay]

There is no cover at the moment, but I might be able to source one down the 
road.

clay

On May 17, 2013, at 5:33 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

>> ...What I want to do is to put the fluffy felt side glued onto the hood 
>> and the foil side to the engine.  Will the foil create a short circuit on 
>> the battery side.  What other issues should I be looking out for?  Maybe 
>> trim 
>> some of the foil in problem areas?..
>> 
> ...The foil side does indeed face the engine to reflect heat and save the 
> paint. The foil is removed in areas of close contact such as over a Turbo if 
> its really close. Doesn't the car have a battery cover? Both of my cars do.
> 
> RLE
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Craig]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 19:32:31 -0500 Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> On May 12, 2013, at 8:25 PM, "Max"  wrote:
> 
> > Try replacing the oil pressure sensor first.  They are electronic and
> > do go bad.
> 
> I changed the sender out today. No change. Will do the o-rings
> tomorrow. I hope I haven't done any damage by running it with low oil
> pressure. 
> 

What is the spec for oil pressure on the 2.5 turbodiesel? For OM61x
engines, the spec is greater than 0.5 bar and pegged when the throttle is
pressed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[clay]

I am not inclined to invest in a 350 that has not had a fresh engine.  Every 
idiot with an original engine gets so bent out of shape when I inquire about 
his rods.

clay

On May 17, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> 
>>> Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition
>>> 420S would be nice.  Or  
>> Just keep in mind a 350SD is a rod bender.
> 
> I'm beginning to think that a head gasket might prevent that.
> The 602 and 603 tend to have head gasket failures on cylinder 1.
> The 3.5L 603 tend to have bent #1 rods.
> There's less gasket width between the cylinder and the water and oil passages 
> on the larger bore 3.5L.
> 
> What if it all adds up to hydrolocked #1 cylinders and bent rods?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[clay]

Yes.  I have been keeping track of the available options so that once the check 
clears, I am able to swoop down and put a replacement on the policy

clay

On May 17, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> I've wrecked my 95 E320 wagon and the insurance money was great each time.
> Well worth repairing since the damage was mostly cosmetic, nothing bent or
> seriously distorted.  It doesn't take much to rack up a high priced repair
> bill on these.
> 
> In my opinion a W123 or W126 ages much more gracefully than a W124.  See
> what they give you, then see whats available for sale and go from there.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:46 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> I am stuck on the fence about the E300.
>> 
>> Sure, it is loaded and wonderful and has served me well.  It will need the
>> body work to remedy the crash damage.  The AC does not function and the
>> paint is 18 years old.
>> 
>> Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition 420S
>> would be nice.  Or 
>> 
>> As long as the rarity of the 95 E300D translates into a nice settlement, I
>> guess I am fine
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On May 17, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2013 2:43 PM, "Chris James"  wrote:
 
 "its time to get something with more
 room" Perhaps I'm just jaded, but
 can't help but read that as
 "somethings broke/on it's way out
 that I don't want to be bothered
 fixing."
 
>>> 
>>> I figure any used 124 needs both the suspension and the air conditioning
>>> completely redone.  $2K for each if you are paying for someone else to do
>>> it.  Kind of makes anything but the rarer models (later diesels, 2-doors,
>>> V-8s) not worth it these days.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[clay]

The new and improved ACC sucks at allowing fresh air into the cabin.  The air 
gets stuffy and windows fog up.  Only way to drive in the winter rain is to pop 
the roof or window down.  Spring and summer that lack of air flow really makes 
driving noisy and blustery.

clay


On May 17, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:46:36 -0700 clay  wrote:
> 
>> I am stuck on the fence about the E300.
>> 
>> Sure, it is loaded and wonderful and has served me well.  It will need
>> the body work to remedy the crash damage.  The AC does not function and
>> the paint is 18 years old.  
> 
> Do you really need AC in the PNW?
> 
> 
>> Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition
>> 420S would be nice.  Or  
> 
> Just keep in mind a 350SD is a rod bender.
> 
> 
>> As long as the rarity of the 95 E300D translates into a nice
>> settlement, I guess I am fine
> 
> Let us know how it turns out.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] The New S-Class (W222) Dealer Order Guide

[Chris James]

Out of the line up, I like the W08, W07/w150 (but not the ex-factory 
coachwork it's shown in here), W142, W116, W126 & W140 best!


Not sure how the W142 320 (even in LWB Pullman form, however nice) made 
it in the S-Class history though, I would consider it an E-class 
predecessor myself. BTW, didn't Col. Wilhelm Klink have one for a staff 
car ("There's never been a successful escape from Stalag 13!")?



On 5/17/2013 9:09 PM, OK Don wrote:

A pictorial review of "S" class Mercedes:
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20130516-visual-history-mercedes-s-class

My favorites are the W07, W186, and W126. (Yes, some of these aren't truely
"S" class -- )



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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Chris James]

I take part of that back, after Alex was gracious enough to send pics.

The exterior IS nice, but everything else was a let down at the current 
asking price. The non-turbo 603, manual climate w/A/C & fanfare horn are 
cool features/options, but in reality it's a $2K car at best. Especially 
with 210+Kmi on it.


Not that I don't think it's worth fixing up (it is, aren't all old 
MB's?), just not worth the exorbitant asking price for the condition 
it's currently in.



On 5/17/2013 5:43 PM, Chris James wrote:

Looks nice! Wish I had $6.5K laying around to buy it & have it shipped
it to NC



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Re: [MBZ] Diesel prices

[Dieselhead]

In ok right now diesel is selling about 30-40 cents cheaper than 
gas. First time I have seen that in years.


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Thats cuz y'all jacked up the gas prices ridiculously high!

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[Craig]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:37:34 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:

> 
> Dan nailed it on the 3M part numbers.  
> 
> Have you ever removed and replaced your hood?  Removing the hood would
> certainly make the pad replacement easier but I suspect hood R&R is not
> easy and is probably at least a 2-person job.


Removing the hood is a two person job (I've done it).


Craig

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[MBZ] Diesel prices

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

In ok right now diesel is selling about 30-40 cents cheaper than gas. First 
time I have seen that in years.

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[Dan Penoff]

3M Adhesive Remover is a magic elixir.  I always have at least one can in the 
paint cabinet.  Amazing what that stuff can do.

My big problem with removing the hood is being able to get it aligned when you 
put it back.  It's a tricky thing to do and take a lot of careful attention to 
detail.. it can also be very frustrating.

Dan


On May 17, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> Dan nailed it on the 3M part numbers.  
> 
> Have you ever removed and replaced your hood?  Removing the hood would
> certainly make the pad replacement easier but I suspect hood R&R is not easy
> and is probably at least a 2-person job.


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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[Dan Penoff]

It's certainly your call, but if you get a couple of old sheets and drape them 
over the front clip and engine compartment it does a good job of keeping all 
the gunk from the old pad out of stuff.  I have done them on a ladder with the 
hood at 90 degrees without too much effort.

I use a plastic body putty scraper for removing the old pad and adhesive.  It's 
pretty porous, so the adhesive remover will soak in well and do a quick job of 
softening everything up so you can easily scrape the remnants off.

Dan


On May 17, 2013, at 7:32 PM, clay wrote:

> I was planning to remove the hood so that I could do a very good job of 
> cleaning as well as to install the rear end pad.  That should also allow me 
> to have gravity work for me than against me
> 
> clay
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[Scott Ritchey]

Dan nailed it on the 3M part numbers.  

Have you ever removed and replaced your hood?  Removing the hood would
certainly make the pad replacement easier but I suspect hood R&R is not easy
and is probably at least a 2-person job.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

I was planning to remove the hood so that I could do a very good job of
cleaning as well as to install the rear end pad.  That should also allow me
to have gravity work for me than against me

clay


On May 17, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> Just my experience:  I replaced the hood pad on my 82 300SD, maybe 15+
years
> ago.  Neither pad (old or replacement) had any foil.  The old pad was a
> crumbly mess The smartest thing I did was to drape a drop cloth over the
> engine to catch all the crap.  I scraped off as much of the old pad as I
> could without damaging the paint and then used a 3M spray solvent and MANY
> paper towels to get the rest.  It came really clean.  I installed the new
> pad with a 3M spray glue on both surfaces; it worked like contact cement
so
> you have to position it right the first time.  I don't recall the specific
> 3m products but a local auto supply place had them in stock.  As I recall,
> there were two types of 3M spray glue and I used the stronger type.  The
> replacement pad (from Rusty, about $50 as I recall) looks fine to this
day.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad
> 
> I bought hood pads for both the '90 and '93 300D 2.5Ts from Q - the one
for
> the '90 had no foil at all, the one for the '93 had foil over the turbo
> area. FWIW.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> Would there be any other areas to de-foil?
>> 
>> I am pretty sure the felt stuff will not attract much in the conductive
>> manner.  The battery has covers for both terminals and I intended to
> remove
>> that foil anyway, just because.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Jim Cathey]

I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says "no guns 
allowed".


I think this sort of feeling comes down to whether you trust
the general public, or do not.  (Or even, perhaps, yourself.)
I think we can all agree that there are certain number of
oxygen-wasters out there, and they're gonna do bad, whether
or not they happen to have a gun.  But what about the rest
of 'em?  (Of _us_, really.)

I find it ironic that among my more L friends they seem to
_not_ trust the public, with anything: guns, vehicles, money...
They, or theirs, should only be entrusted with these things.
It'd be funny, if it wasn't so frightening.  The C's, on the
other hand, point out that the gov't isn't all that good at
doing their job already, so why should _they_ be in charge of
anything more?

Then there's the argument that the L's ideal system isn't working
because not _everything_ is as the L's wish it to be, that the
mere _existence_ of non-L policies and laws is why it's not working,
and that if only it _all_ could be as they like then the system
would start working as intended.  The same argument the Soviet
Marxists used to explain why their economy wasn't working.

I say the (real) numbers don't lie.  There's a reason that Mr. Colt
was _celebrated_ when his products hit the market.

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Re: [MBZ] best chainsaw

[Rick Knoble]

On May 17, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

> My other buddy, a flaming liberal anti-gun biochemist professor, drives a 
> C230.  He regularly gets schooled on guns, and he does not use a chainsaw.  I 
> think there might be a correlation there.


Since you mention it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2325414/Men-physically-strong-likely-right-wing-political-views.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[OK Don]

It really is a sad state of affairs where both sides are fearfull enough
for pro/anti guns to be an issue at all. "Just say'n" 


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Re: [MBZ] The New S-Class (W222) Dealer Order Guide

[OK Don]

A pictorial review of "S" class Mercedes:
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20130516-visual-history-mercedes-s-class

My favorites are the W07, W186, and W126. (Yes, some of these aren't truely
"S" class -- )


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Re: [MBZ] THE MISSING

[Dieselhead]

Speaking of Missing...  Has anyone heard from John Robbins?  He 
oughta be about  done with graddy school.  Is he among the working 
stiffs now?


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Re: [MBZ] post 1996 DIY

[RELNGSON]

> I'd like to know too.  Maybe this just applies to scheduled 
> maintenance?...
> 
Better define "scheduled". My 2008 is no different than any of the previous 
years I have owned. Exceptions will be electronic items indentified by 
OBD2. Also, the 7-speed automatic which is now serviced at each 37.5K miles 
with 
it's own fluid and with no dipstick, the level on a refill is determined by 
the temp of the fluid. 

Oil is synthetic and MB says 10K is fine between changes although I do it 
sooner with my Topsider sucker.

Things like oil changes and all filters (oil, air, cabin air) are all done 
by me. Brake pads are easier now and last much longer, many owners getting 
more than 50K before a change and many are switching over to ceramics which 
eliminate the black dust with no reduction in brake performance.

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Re: [MBZ] foil

[RELNGSON]

> ...What I want to do is to put the fluffy felt side glued onto the hood 
> and the foil side to the engine.  Will the foil create a short circuit on 
> the battery side.  What other issues should I be looking out for?  Maybe trim 
> some of the foil in problem areas?..
> 
...The foil side does indeed face the engine to reflect heat and save the 
paint. The foil is removed in areas of close contact such as over a Turbo if 
its really close. Doesn't the car have a battery cover? Both of my cars do.

RLE
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Rick Knoble]

On May 12, 2013, at 8:25 PM, "Max"  wrote:

> Try replacing the oil pressure sensor first.  They are electronic and do go 
> bad.


I changed the sender out today. No change. Will do the o-rings tomorrow. I hope 
I haven't done any damage by running it with low oil pressure. 

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Re: [MBZ] newer

[RELNGSON]

> ...I find the newer cars easier to work on and maintain
> > Please elaborate. Is that because they have better diagnostics, or, 
> being
> > newer, have less failures to correct?...
> 
They do have better diagnostics plus they do have fewer failures. On the 
MBWorld website where there is a large base of W204 owners, there are now more 
and more cars that have passed 100K miles with only normal service. Right 
now, the big failures ($$) are the Electronic Ignition Module in the early 
cars (from 2008, all models) which is the unit that unlocks the steering 
column when the key is inserted. When it fails the car is flatbedded to a 
dealer 
for a minimum $1K bill. This is NOT a diy repair. Yes, this is an electronic 
failure where the key and key slot fail to communicate.

The other one in W204s is taillights getting dim which turns out to be the 
undersized single taillight ground wire melting because the original spec 
was inadequate. There is a repair kit for this or an owner can bridge in a 
heavier wire in the connecter. Mine is OK so far, perhaps because I have 
upgraded to the 2012 LED taillights, requiring reprogramming the rear SAM.

There have been more than a few 4-Matic trans leaks, I think where the FWD 
shaft exits the RF corner of the trans. The 7-speed automatic and related 
FWD bits now share one case.

All in all, these mostly warranty repairs add up to far fewer than in any 
of the last four new MBs I have owned.

BTW, my 1985 190E 2.3 was the all time warranty queen and the dealers hated 
them.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:


Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition
420S would be nice.  Or  


Just keep in mind a 350SD is a rod bender.


I'm beginning to think that a head gasket might prevent that.
The 602 and 603 tend to have head gasket failures on cylinder 1.
The 3.5L 603 tend to have bent #1 rods.
There's less gasket width between the cylinder and the water and oil passages on 
the larger bore 3.5L.


What if it all adds up to hydrolocked #1 cylinders and bent rods?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I've wrecked my 95 E320 wagon and the insurance money was great each time.
 Well worth repairing since the damage was mostly cosmetic, nothing bent or
seriously distorted.  It doesn't take much to rack up a high priced repair
bill on these.

In my opinion a W123 or W126 ages much more gracefully than a W124.  See
what they give you, then see whats available for sale and go from there.

Jaime



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:46 PM, clay  wrote:

> I am stuck on the fence about the E300.
>
> Sure, it is loaded and wonderful and has served me well.  It will need the
> body work to remedy the crash damage.  The AC does not function and the
> paint is 18 years old.
>
> Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition 420S
> would be nice.  Or 
>
> As long as the rarity of the 95 E300D translates into a nice settlement, I
> guess I am fine
>
> clay
>
>
> On May 17, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
> > On May 17, 2013 2:43 PM, "Chris James"  wrote:
> >>
> >> "its time to get something with more
> >> room" Perhaps I'm just jaded, but
> >> can't help but read that as
> >> "somethings broke/on it's way out
> >> that I don't want to be bothered
> >> fixing."
> >>
> >
> > I figure any used 124 needs both the suspension and the air conditioning
> > completely redone.  $2K for each if you are paying for someone else to do
> > it.  Kind of makes anything but the rarer models (later diesels, 2-doors,
> > V-8s) not worth it these days.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Craig]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:46:36 -0700 clay  wrote:

> I am stuck on the fence about the E300.
> 
> Sure, it is loaded and wonderful and has served me well.  It will need
> the body work to remedy the crash damage.  The AC does not function and
> the paint is 18 years old.  

Do you really need AC in the PNW?


> Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition
> 420S would be nice.  Or  

Just keep in mind a 350SD is a rod bender.


> As long as the rarity of the 95 E300D translates into a nice
> settlement, I guess I am fine

Let us know how it turns out.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Military Command structure WAS: best chain saw

[Larry T]

Never wanting to miss a good gun thread, when I saw that Rick H. said we 
were in the midst of a gun argument  I went backward from today to 16may 
and did not find any.  but that's Ok - Wiltons comments are well stated 
IMO - the way the "entertainment"industry portrays the military chain of 
command Vs real life would be laughable if it were not so dangerous to 
distort so many people's view of the way our brave men and women 
actually  live and work (and sometimes die) while serving.   It's 
similar to see the way media portrays corporations as being closer to 
the 3rd Reich than a business. They (the media) have convinced people 
who get their news by watching movies & sit-coms that all corporations 
are evil, greedy monsters controlled by some all seeing, all evil being. 
They seem blissfully unaware that corporations are owned by stockholders 
- often being heavily owned by teachers, union members, little old men & 
women who depend on their "evil" capital gains and/or dividends which 
are typically portrayed as being the manna of the evil rich guy who 
needs to be taxed until he become evil poor guy.


Maybe that's where this strange idea of how our fine military works Vs 
reality came from?   Remember "Full Metal Jacket"?   It was filmed to 
represent basic training during the Viet Nam era and I guess basic does 
have its fair share of yelling, but I doubt it was as bad as it was 
shown.  Being typical Oliver Stone stuff it was likely distorted to sell 
tickets and not show the truth. Sorry to continue off-thread.  (I know, 
you're saying, 'if you're really sorry why do it?'  ;-)


Now, if we are talking about guns I'm all for it!

LarryT
91 300D



On 5/16/2013 12:53 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Thought somebody'd latch onto that.  There's a big difference between 
being "ordered about" by some egotistical, ranting, a$$ and following 
the LAWFUL orders of a military superior.  In my 22 years of active 
duty in the US Air Force, I was never "ordered about" in a tyrannical 
manner by anyone, and I never "ordered about" anyone else in such a 
manner.  I understood the national and Air Force policies and the 
mission at hand and did whatever necessary to carry out those policies 
and to accomplish the mission.  In fact, I received very few 
verbal/oral "orders."  I was never in a situation that required such 
"ordering about."


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw



On 15/05/2013 6:42 PM, WILTON wrote:
BTW, I've always done very well at most anything voluntarily, but I 
don't "WILL" very well, i. e., I don't take very easily and readily 
to being "ordered about." I "bristle" when somebody says, "You WILL 
do this, or you WILL do that." Actually, that's the BEST way to get 
me NOT to do it.


Wilton



Wait a minute here. Were you not career military?
Is that not what it means to be career military - accept commands 
from higher ups?


And what about the wife - is she not SWMBO?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[clay]

I am stuck on the fence about the E300.

Sure, it is loaded and wonderful and has served me well.  It will need the body 
work to remedy the crash damage.  The AC does not function and the paint is 18 
years old.  

Do I want to replace it with an SDL or maybe a 350SD?  Later edition 420S would 
be nice.  Or  

As long as the rarity of the 95 E300D translates into a nice settlement, I 
guess I am fine

clay


On May 17, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On May 17, 2013 2:43 PM, "Chris James"  wrote:
>> 
>> "its time to get something with more
>> room" Perhaps I'm just jaded, but
>> can't help but read that as
>> "somethings broke/on it's way out
>> that I don't want to be bothered
>> fixing."
>> 
> 
> I figure any used 124 needs both the suspension and the air conditioning
> completely redone.  $2K for each if you are paying for someone else to do
> it.  Kind of makes anything but the rarer models (later diesels, 2-doors,
> V-8s) not worth it these days.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] best chainsaw

[Rich Thomas]

My buddy who is a 2nd Amendment lawyer (very successful) has a 79 450SL 
and an 03 S430, and used a chainsaw when hurricane Ike hit Houston a few 
years ago.  He provides me with the devastating pro-gun arguments I use 
to demolish the anti-gun crowd.


My other buddy, a flaming liberal anti-gun biochemist professor, drives 
a C230.  He regularly gets schooled on guns, and he does not use a 
chainsaw.  I think there might be a correlation there.


--R


On 5/17/13 7:05 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

Folks

i fail to see how all this pro and anti gun discussion has ANYTHING to 
do with chainsaws (or mercedes cars)


maybe we could lighten up and talk about our cars occasionally  i 
have carried a chainsaw in my 300td and this afternoon i was fighting 
a problem of no power to the electric window fuse on a gas 1992 
Peugeot SW 8 that has been parked for a year or so  it starts up 
and runs


peace!
thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[clay]

I was planning to remove the hood so that I could do a very good job of 
cleaning as well as to install the rear end pad.  That should also allow me to 
have gravity work for me than against me

clay


On May 17, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> Just my experience:  I replaced the hood pad on my 82 300SD, maybe 15+ years
> ago.  Neither pad (old or replacement) had any foil.  The old pad was a
> crumbly mess The smartest thing I did was to drape a drop cloth over the
> engine to catch all the crap.  I scraped off as much of the old pad as I
> could without damaging the paint and then used a 3M spray solvent and MANY
> paper towels to get the rest.  It came really clean.  I installed the new
> pad with a 3M spray glue on both surfaces; it worked like contact cement so
> you have to position it right the first time.  I don't recall the specific
> 3m products but a local auto supply place had them in stock.  As I recall,
> there were two types of 3M spray glue and I used the stronger type.  The
> replacement pad (from Rusty, about $50 as I recall) looks fine to this day.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad
> 
> I bought hood pads for both the '90 and '93 300D 2.5Ts from Q - the one for
> the '90 had no foil at all, the one for the '93 had foil over the turbo
> area. FWIW.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> Would there be any other areas to de-foil?
>> 
>> I am pretty sure the felt stuff will not attract much in the conductive
>> manner.  The battery has covers for both terminals and I intended to
> remove
>> that foil anyway, just because.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mountain Man]

Rick wrote:
> Rick
> Who has yet to find a meeting for recovering liberals or recovering
conservatives...
>

I want in.
Let's get that started immediately!!!
mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mountain Man]

Andrew wrote:
> And vice versa, I might add.  And BTW, we do have a lot in common, more
> than you probably realize.

Excellent!!
May we all draw closure to the reality and stop living in the clouds of
should-be or could-be.  Reality is tough, but if we don't stop realize that
we are being played, we will all be in trouble.  Who is the play-master?
 Dunno, but it is clear none of our sources of 'facts' on either side are
truthful.  They are earning a living, paid for by the play-master.  Neither
progressive-liberal or fox is truth - there are zero facts.  We are being
played.  We need to stop the baloney on these issues and do what we need to
do together, not shoving responsibility or reality off to some agency or
law that will 'define' reality to 'good' for our safety or peace of mind.
 There is zero peace of mind - get real, get smart.  Do what we need to do.
 Do what we need to do together, not separately.  People make this nation,
not laws.  We can all enjoy chowdayQ, a brewski, a W123 and make things
happen.  If not, then the banned closure becomes reality.  We are ripping
this community-nation apart with non-facts.  We are being played.  Wake up.
mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mountain Man]

Andrew wrote:
> OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and...

Everyone has opinion.
Zero opinion is new.
Both sides are being duped and indoctrinated.
We are being played.
Nobody is identifying the play-master, but the play-master is laughing all
the way to the bank on both sides.  We are being played, don't bow, don't
be stupid.
Standard banned closing (ommitted).
mao
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[MBZ] best chainsaw

[Rick Hawkins Java]

Folks

i fail to see how all this pro and anti gun discussion has ANYTHING to  
do with chainsaws (or mercedes cars)


maybe we could lighten up and talk about our cars occasionally  i  
have carried a chainsaw in my 300td and this afternoon i was fighting  
a problem of no power to the electric window fuse on a gas 1992  
Peugeot SW 8 that has been parked for a year or so  it starts up  
and runs


peace!
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Alex Chamberlain]

On May 17, 2013 2:43 PM, "Chris James"  wrote:
>
> "its time to get something with more
> room" Perhaps I'm just jaded, but
> can't help but read that as
> "somethings broke/on it's way out
> that I don't want to be bothered
> fixing."
>

I figure any used 124 needs both the suspension and the air conditioning
completely redone.  $2K for each if you are paying for someone else to do
it.  Kind of makes anything but the rarer models (later diesels, 2-doors,
V-8s) not worth it these days.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Chris James]

Looks nice! Wish I had $6.5K laying around to buy it & have it shipped 
it to NC. Someday I'm going to get my euro W124 diesel...


"its time to get something with more room" Perhaps I'm just jaded, but 
can't help but read that as "somethings broke/on it's way out that I 
don't want to be bothered fixing."


It would be interesting to see the other pics the seller sent you. 
Forward them to me, if you wouldn't mind (when you get a chance)! :-)



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Knoble wrote:

On May 17, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:


Just like a black man's rights aren't subject to a KKKer's need to feel safe 
without any n** around him.



Negros thank you. Not on banned here. 


While Negro is a technical term, it isn't much more politically correct than the 
other one. And the other one is exactly what a Klansman from 50 years ago would 
have used, when he thought about them the way Andrew thinks about armed citizens.


Oh, here's a fun little story that makes use of that N word, it's about the 
Deacons for Defense.

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-deacon.html

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mitch Haley]

Frederick Moir wrote:

Curt, et al.
AFAIK The murder rate per capita is the same in UK and USA.
Not bad for an "unarmed" populace is it?


But...but, they've got fewer 'gun deaths' and those are the only deaths that 
matter, right?


OTOH, isn't the UK's violent crime rate much, much higher than ours?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, Portland CL

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://salem.craigslist.org/cto/3807551940.html

Not the most illuminating ad, but I contacted the seller and got some
interior and underhood pics.   It is a non-turbo OM603 with manual climate
control, air conditioning, cloth interior, and no sunroof.  Not a stick
shift, sadly, or I would be all over it.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rick Knoble]

On May 17, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> Just like a black man's rights aren't subject to a KKKer's need to feel safe 
> without any n** around him.


Negros thank you. Not on banned here. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Frederick Moir]

Curt, et al.
AFAIK The murder rate per capita is the same in UK and USA.
Not bad for an "unarmed" populace is it?
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
> 
>
>Back around the Sandyhook and Newtown shootings people touted the UK as an 
>example of how gun bans work because there "hasn't been a mass shooting since 
>1996".
>
>How many paramilitary police are there in your neighborhood keeping you safe 
>from gang activity? I think this is an example that those touting the UK gun 
>ban as an absolute success are full of it.
>
>-Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rick Knoble]

On May 17, 2013, at 2:46 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> And vice versa, I might add.  And BTW, we do have a lot in common, more
> than you probably realize.


Which is how, in part, twelve step programs work. Sharing experience, strength, 
and hope. Commonality, if you will. 

We probably share a lot in common. My cats poop goes in the garbage though, not 
on the garden...

Rick
Who has yet to find a meeting for recovering liberals or recovering 
conservatives...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:


"Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Therefore we need to ban
people, not guns.


Yep. If you aren't fit to have a gun, you aren't fit to walk around without a 
keeper. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people walking around free who have 
already proven their membership in that group. And a lot of people behind bars 
who have never hurt anybody. Time to end the war on drugs and use the money to 
wage a war on violent criminals.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mitch Haley]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says "no guns allowed".
Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.


Unfortunately, you are not alone, but hopefully you are in the minority.

My rights aren't subject to your insecurities, or desire to 'feel safe' under 
circumstances that make you statistically less safe.


Just like a black man's rights aren't subject to a KKKer's need to feel safe 
without any niggers around him. In fact, people like you have a lot in common 
with people that used to be in the KKK 50 years ago.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[Dan Penoff]

3M 3089 Upholstery Cement, I believe. IIRC, 3088 is the "medium" hold, and 3089 
is the strong stuff.

Use their 03618 Adhesive Remover. Great stuff, and it won't hurt your paint.

Dan

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On May 17, 2013, at 4:22 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:

> 
> Just my experience:  I replaced the hood pad on my 82 300SD, maybe 15+ years
> ago.  Neither pad (old or replacement) had any foil.  The old pad was a
> crumbly mess The smartest thing I did was to drape a drop cloth over the
> engine to catch all the crap.  I scraped off as much of the old pad as I
> could without damaging the paint and then used a 3M spray solvent and MANY
> paper towels to get the rest.  It came really clean.  I installed the new
> pad with a 3M spray glue on both surfaces; it worked like contact cement so
> you have to position it right the first time.  I don't recall the specific
> 3m products but a local auto supply place had them in stock.  As I recall,
> there were two types of 3M spray glue and I used the stronger type.  The
> replacement pad (from Rusty, about $50 as I recall) looks fine to this day.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad
> 
> I bought hood pads for both the '90 and '93 300D 2.5Ts from Q - the one for
> the '90 had no foil at all, the one for the '93 had foil over the turbo
> area. FWIW.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> Would there be any other areas to de-foil?
>> 
>> I am pretty sure the felt stuff will not attract much in the conductive
>> manner.  The battery has covers for both terminals and I intended to
> remove
>> that foil anyway, just because.
>> 
>> clay
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[G Mann]

Speaking of statistics.. someone give me the statistics of criminals
robbing police stations, or gun shows, or shooting ranges, where the bulk
of people there are armed?

For that matter, what has happened to the crime rate in every state that
has enacted concealed carry laws and the citizens have exercised that right?


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:21 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Statistics clearly document whatever you want them to. Correlation does not
> equal causality.
>
> "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Therefore we need to ban
> people, not guns.
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM, G Mann  wrote:
>
> > Statistics clearly document that criminals and terrorist greatly prefer
> > unarmed victims who are unable to defend themselves.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[G Mann]

On Friday, May 17, 2013 2:23 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

- I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons- {snip}

Let me see if I understand you correctly Andrew.

First: Your choice of informatory use of the words "gun wielding" imparts
the same effect that any hate language does.. It defames the individual the
speaker wishes to denigrate.  Is this your true intent?

Second: Do I indeed understand that you would rather be held hostage,
without the means to defend yourself, or have others defend you,  while a
criminal, with no regard for the law, kills those around you as you wait
for your turn to die? Is that your true intent?

Third: IF you survive the first round of killing and have a phone to
access.. would you call for a policeman with a gun to come save you?

Grant...


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> If being surrounded by trained law-abiding armed citizens makes you
> uncomfortable,  then all I can say is Over and Out.
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Sent:
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2013 2:23 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
> patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says "no guns allowed".
> Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[Scott Ritchey]

Just my experience:  I replaced the hood pad on my 82 300SD, maybe 15+ years
ago.  Neither pad (old or replacement) had any foil.  The old pad was a
crumbly mess The smartest thing I did was to drape a drop cloth over the
engine to catch all the crap.  I scraped off as much of the old pad as I
could without damaging the paint and then used a 3M spray solvent and MANY
paper towels to get the rest.  It came really clean.  I installed the new
pad with a 3M spray glue on both surfaces; it worked like contact cement so
you have to position it right the first time.  I don't recall the specific
3m products but a local auto supply place had them in stock.  As I recall,
there were two types of 3M spray glue and I used the stronger type.  The
replacement pad (from Rusty, about $50 as I recall) looks fine to this day.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

I bought hood pads for both the '90 and '93 300D 2.5Ts from Q - the one for
the '90 had no foil at all, the one for the '93 had foil over the turbo
area. FWIW.


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, clay  wrote:

> Would there be any other areas to de-foil?
>
> I am pretty sure the felt stuff will not attract much in the conductive
> manner.  The battery has covers for both terminals and I intended to
remove
> that foil anyway, just because.
>
> clay
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[OK Don]

Statistics clearly document whatever you want them to. Correlation does not
equal causality.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Therefore we need to ban
people, not guns.


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM, G Mann  wrote:

> Statistics clearly document that criminals and terrorist greatly prefer
> unarmed victims who are unable to defend themselves.




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Re: [MBZ] Hood Pad

[OK Don]

I bought hood pads for both the '90 and '93 300D 2.5Ts from Q - the one for
the '90 had no foil at all, the one for the '93 had foil over the turbo
area. FWIW.


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, clay  wrote:

> Would there be any other areas to de-foil?
>
> I am pretty sure the felt stuff will not attract much in the conductive
> manner.  The battery has covers for both terminals and I intended to remove
> that foil anyway, just because.
>
> clay
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

And vice versa, I might add.  And BTW, we do have a lot in common, more
than you probably realize.



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On May 17, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Take a deep breath Andrew, and open your eyes, that you may see.
>
>
> Andrew takes all this ribbing pretty well I'd say. Time to give him a
> break though probably. You will never get him to change his mind. A "Saul
> on the road to Damascus moment" might, barring that, forget it.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rick Knoble]

On May 17, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Take a deep breath Andrew, and open your eyes, that you may see.


Andrew takes all this ribbing pretty well I'd say. Time to give him a break 
though probably. You will never get him to change his mind. A "Saul on the road 
to Damascus moment" might, barring that, forget it. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Scott Ritchey]

If being surrounded by trained law-abiding armed citizens makes you
uncomfortable,  then all I can say is Over and Out.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Sent: 

On Friday, May 17, 2013 2:23 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says "no guns allowed".
Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Dieselhead]

I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says "no guns allowed".
Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.


Might i suggest that the first 4 words of your statement could be 
cured if you stopped, and pulled off the blinders you wear?  Take a 
deep breath Andrew, and open your eyes, that you may see.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I fail to see how an audience full of potentially gun wielding theater
patrons would make me feel safer than a sign that says "no guns allowed".
Apparently, that feeling puts me in a minority position in this forum.

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:02 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Bottom line, gun laws are ineffective, more gun laws are only more
> ineffective. In fact, so ineffective, criminals are drawn to areas where
> they know there is a good supply of honest people who have things they want
> and are unable to defend themselves.. like theaters with a "no guns
> allowed" sign.. or a school "gun free zone".. both the scene of recent mass
> shootings.. or how about 911 airplanes... how far would the terrorists have
> gotten had even ONE legal citizen exercised his or her Constitutional Right
> to self defense? How many lives could have been saved in each of the above
> examples?
>
> Takes backbone to not back down when an armed criminal presents a deadly
> threat and you have the means to defend yourself.. ask any cop who has
> trained for hundreds of hours to instantly shoot and save his own life.
>
> It seems, we have selectively breed backbone out of our society. Now what?
>
> Grant...
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Scott Ritchey 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > The thing I find most interesting about this is the extent media coverage
> > warps our perception of relative dangers.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> > Bennell
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:06 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
> >
> > How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
> > sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
> > I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities did not want to
> > charge the parents.
> > What is wrong with people who provide a lethal weapon to a 5 year old?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Dieselhead]

Bottom line, gun laws are ineffective, more gun laws are only more
ineffective. In fact, so ineffective, criminals are drawn to areas where
they know there is a good supply of honest people who have things they want
and are unable to defend themselves.. like theaters with a "no guns
allowed" sign.. or a school "gun free zone".. both the scene of recent mass
shootings.. or how about 911 airplanes... how far would the terrorists have
gotten had even ONE legal citizen exercised his or her Constitutional Right
to self defense?


How far the terrorists got when just ONE (or maybe 4 ) m'erkuns stand 
up for their right of self defense, is shown in a field near 
Shanksville, PA.  Todd Beamer and others stopped the terrorists with 
their bare hands by rejecting the Gummit bul about sitting in your 
seat and doing what the terrorists tell you to do.


It is time.

Lets roll!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[G Mann]

Bottom line, gun laws are ineffective, more gun laws are only more
ineffective. In fact, so ineffective, criminals are drawn to areas where
they know there is a good supply of honest people who have things they want
and are unable to defend themselves.. like theaters with a "no guns
allowed" sign.. or a school "gun free zone".. both the scene of recent mass
shootings.. or how about 911 airplanes... how far would the terrorists have
gotten had even ONE legal citizen exercised his or her Constitutional Right
to self defense? How many lives could have been saved in each of the above
examples?

Takes backbone to not back down when an armed criminal presents a deadly
threat and you have the means to defend yourself.. ask any cop who has
trained for hundreds of hours to instantly shoot and save his own life.

It seems, we have selectively breed backbone out of our society. Now what?

Grant...


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> The thing I find most interesting about this is the extent media coverage
> warps our perception of relative dangers.
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Bennell
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:06 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement
>
> How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old
> sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
> I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities did not want to
> charge the parents.
> What is wrong with people who provide a lethal weapon to a 5 year old?
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Scott Ritchey]

The thing I find most interesting about this is the extent media coverage
warps our perception of relative dangers.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Bennell
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

How about the 5 year old with the gun who shot and killed his 2 year old 
sister in Kentucky (if I recall).
I would suggest it is a crime that the local authorities did not want to 
charge the parents.
What is wrong with people who provide a lethal weapon to a 5 year old?

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Dieselhead]

Dieselhead wrote:

I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more 
likely to be struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist. 
Another interesting statistic.


We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
Oh, many times more likely.
We've had over 10,000 people killed by lightning?
Mitch.



THe common phrase is more likely to be struck by lightning.  If you 
re-read what I wrote, I used the phrase, Struck by lightning.  I did 
not mention death by lightning.  Here is the "facts" as reported by 
the "unassailable source" wikipedia:
"An estimated 24,000 people are killed by lightning strikes around 
the world each year and about 240,000 are injured.[3]
According to the NOAA, over the last 20 years, the United States 
averaged 51 annual lightning strike fatalities, placing it in the 
second position, just behind floods for weather killers.[4][5] In the 
US, between 9% and 10% of those struck die,[6] for an average of 40 
to 50 deaths per year (28 in 2008).[7] The odds of an average person 
living in the US being struck by lightning in a given year is 
1/1,000,000, while the odds of being struck by lightning in a 
lifetime is 1/10,000 (estimated lifespan of 80 years).[8]"


if only 10% of those struck die, then about 500 per year are struck 
by lightning.  500 * 12 (to use Mitch's math) is 6000.  So, yes, you 
are twice as likely to be struck by lightning as killed by a 
terrorist.  If you avoid large cities and gatherings, you are WAY 
more likely to be stuck by lightning than killed by a terrorist.


A little perspective on the situation.

Now, your chances of being killed on the highway compared to being 
stuck by lightning?  We don't wanna know...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rich Thomas]

These fellas think the gun laws are just fine -- violate them, get some 
probation or bond, go get another one and kill someone. Perhaps more 
stringent gun laws against criminals would be better? Or just lock them 
up so they won't violate any more laws. 
http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/2013/04/another-five-in-colleton-county.html


Oh yeah, that part about going to get another gun -- how's that working 
in the UK?  Seems they have some very stringent gun laws (i.e., no 
handguns, licensed long guns, etc.), but those silly criminals just 
figure out a way around them.  Guns, no problemo!  I think Mexico has 
stringent gun laws too, how is that working out?


So, what to do, when stringent laws have no effect?  In Boston, when the 
cops were searching young thugs on the streets for guns (and finding 
lots) they were stood down because that violated the 4th Amendment, 
rightly so, so that doesn't work either.


So, given the realities, what to do?  Seriously, how do you deal with 
the fact that if someone wants something, s/he is going to get it?  Like 
drugs... decriminalize?  But that is done now, realistically (see 
above).  So, what to do?


--R


On 5/17/13 1:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

We have only ineffective gun laws.  Obviously.
On May 17, 2013 12:01 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[G Mann]

On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

-Are you implying things would be better without the ban?- {snip}

No implications necessary, just facts. Failure to look at the statistics
BEFORE gun bans and fairly compare them with statistics AFTER, is necessary.

UK has had a large increase in violent crime against defenseless citizens
since imposition of a gun ban. Fact.

Australia has had a huge increase in violent crime against defenseless
citizens since their imposition of a gun ban. Fact.

Chicago, which has rigid gun laws, making it impossible for a Citizen to
own or possess a gun, has for the past 12 years, on record, killed more
citizens by violent criiminals with guns than have been killed in TWO
active war zones, Iraq and Afghanistan. Fact.

Add to the statement above.. Washington DC, and NYC, both murder capitols
of the USA, both who have draconian gun ban laws in place.. all which
violate the Constitutional Right to  self protection. Fact.



Andrew, your ability to avoid fact and embellish fantasy as regards the
Right of Self Defense is legend. While I do not agree with you, I respect
your right to be wrong and speak freely.
Just as I expect you respect my right to point out how wrong your argument
is.

Grant...



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> OK.  Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws
> meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up with
> fewer rights and abilities to protect and secure themselves and their
> belongings.
>
> I think that might be in the Constitution somewhere, because of what
> happened back in the 1700s, but I might be mistaken.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 5/17/13 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Sincerity suits you better.
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
>>> equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
>>> that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is
>>> clearly
>>> no "gun violence" as the proponents of gun bans wish to have obtain.
>>>  Why,
>>> it is magical!
>>>
>>> --R (who needs a towel to wipe off the irony that is dripping around me)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>>  Are you implying things would be better without the ban?

 On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <

 richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net <
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net
 >>
 wrote:

 The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in

> the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would
> probably
> be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with
> similar
> successes.
>
> So, there is Hope!
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> And your point is??
>
>> On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" > constructivity.net 
>> http://constructivity.net>
>> 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gun bans work! 
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/***
>> *comment/telegraph-view/**> comment/telegraph-view/**
>> >
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**>
>> <**http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**
>> >
>>
>>> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html>> telegraph.co.uk/comment/**telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
>>> **>> 10062874/Gun-**
>>> >
>>> law-in-the-shires.html
>>> telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html>> www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/**telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
>>> law-in-the-shires.html
>>> >
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

We have only ineffective gun laws.  Obviously.
On May 17, 2013 12:01 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> OK.  Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws
> meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up with
> fewer rights and abilities to protect and secure themselves and their
> belongings.
>
> I think that might be in the Constitution somewhere, because of what
> happened back in the 1700s, but I might be mistaken.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 5/17/13 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Sincerity suits you better.
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
>>> equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
>>> that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is
>>> clearly
>>> no "gun violence" as the proponents of gun bans wish to have obtain.
>>>  Why,
>>> it is magical!
>>>
>>> --R (who needs a towel to wipe off the irony that is dripping around me)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>>  Are you implying things would be better without the ban?

 On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <

 richthomas79TD300@**constructi**vity.net <
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net
 >>
 wrote:

 The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in

> the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would
> probably
> be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with
> similar
> successes.
>
> So, there is Hope!
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> And your point is??
>
>> On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" > constructivity.net 
>> http://constructivity.net>
>> 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gun bans work! 
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/***
>> *comment/telegraph-view/**> comment/telegraph-view/**
>> >
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**>
>> <**http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**
>> >
>>
>>> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html>> telegraph.co.uk/comment/**telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
>>> **>> 10062874/Gun-**
>>> >
>>> law-in-the-shires.html
>>> telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html>> www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/**telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
>>> law-in-the-shires.html
>>> >
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux

[Curt Raymond]

I know, I'm sorry. I'll try to do better.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:01:16 -0500
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

WHAT??? Your vacation DOESN'T revolve around working on your cars???


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Finally got some time tonight to fart around with my '78 240D what we
> replaced the head gasket on last weekend. Actually I didn't really have the
> time but I forced it in anyway, I couldn't bear to leave it while I'm on
> vacation next week.
>
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Curt Raymond]

Back around the Sandyhook and Newtown shootings people touted the UK as an 
example of how gun bans work because there "hasn't been a mass shooting since 
1996".

How many paramilitary police are there in your neighborhood keeping you safe 
from gang activity? I think this is an example that those touting the UK gun 
ban as an absolute success are full of it.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:01:42 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
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And your point is??
On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:

> Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**
> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.html
>
> --R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rich Thomas]

And the Declaration of Independence too, that part about the Great Usurper

--R


On 5/17/13 12:00 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
OK.  Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws 
meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up 
with fewer rights and abilities to protect and secure themselves and 
their belongings.


I think that might be in the Constitution somewhere, because of what 
happened back in the 1700s, but I might be mistaken.


--R


On 5/17/13 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Sincerity suits you better.

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is 
clearly
no "gun violence" as the proponents of gun bans wish to have 
obtain.  Why,

it is magical!

--R (who needs a towel to wipe off the irony that is dripping around 
me)



On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Are you implying things would be better without the ban?

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <

richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net> 


wrote:

The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see 
here in

the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would
probably
be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with 
similar

successes.

So, there is Hope!

--R



On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And your point is??

On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" constructivity.net 


wrote:

Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/*
*comment/telegraph-view/** 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**> 


10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.html 


law-in-the-shires.html 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rich Thomas]

OK.  Gun laws and confiscation do not work, criminals do not obey laws 
meant for law-abiding citizens, and the law-abiding citizens end up with 
fewer rights and abilities to protect and secure themselves and their 
belongings.


I think that might be in the Constitution somewhere, because of what 
happened back in the 1700s, but I might be mistaken.


--R


On 5/17/13 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Sincerity suits you better.

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is clearly
no "gun violence" as the proponents of gun bans wish to have obtain.  Why,
it is magical!

--R (who needs a towel to wipe off the irony that is dripping around me)


On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Are you implying things would be better without the ban?

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <

richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
wrote:

The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in

the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would
probably
be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with similar
successes.

So, there is Hope!

--R



On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And your point is??

On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:

Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/*
*comment/telegraph-view/**
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**>

10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.html
law-in-the-shires.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Sincerity suits you better.

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an
> equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how
> that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is clearly
> no "gun violence" as the proponents of gun bans wish to have obtain.  Why,
> it is magical!
>
> --R (who needs a towel to wipe off the irony that is dripping around me)
>
>
> On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Are you implying things would be better without the ban?
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <
>>
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in
>>> the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would
>>> probably
>>> be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with similar
>>> successes.
>>>
>>> So, there is Hope!
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>> And your point is??
 On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" >>> constructivity.net 
 
 >>
 wrote:

 Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/*
 *comment/telegraph-view/**
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**>
 >

> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.html telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
> law-in-the-shires.html telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**law-in-the-shires.html
> >
> --R
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rich Thomas]

Not at all (though law-abiding citizens might then have something of an 
equal footing to the criminals, for whom laws are irrelevant -- see how 
that works?), only that in places where there is a gun ban there is 
clearly no "gun violence" as the proponents of gun bans wish to have 
obtain.  Why, it is magical!


--R (who needs a towel to wipe off the irony that is dripping around me)


On 5/17/13 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Are you implying things would be better without the ban?

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in
the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would probably
be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with similar
successes.

So, there is Hope!

--R



On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


And your point is??
On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" >
wrote:

Gun bans work! 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**

10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[G Mann]

Statistics clearly document that criminals and terrorist greatly prefer
unarmed victims who are unable to defend themselves.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in
> the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would probably
> be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with similar
> successes.
>
> So, there is Hope!
>
> --R
>
>
> On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> And your point is??
>> On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" > constructivity.net >
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Gun bans work! 
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**
>>> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html>> telegraph.co.uk/comment/**telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
>>> law-in-the-shires.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Are you implying things would be better without the ban?

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in
> the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would probably
> be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, with similar
> successes.
>
> So, there is Hope!
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> And your point is??
>> On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" > constructivity.net >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gun bans work! 
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/**
>>> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html>> telegraph.co.uk/comment/**telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-**
>>> law-in-the-shires.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rich Thomas]

The UK initiated a significant gun ban as many would like to see here in 
the US, and very clearly it is working well.  Chicago and DC would 
probably be the closest to the UK with their stringent gun controls, 
with similar successes.


So, there is Hope!

--R


On 5/17/13 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And your point is??
On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:


Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**
10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.html

--R





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Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux

[Craig]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:36:09 -0400 Max  wrote:

> Sounds good!
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20


Ummm ... I'm all for trimming posts, but it seems this is a little
over-zealous.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

And your point is??
On May 17, 2013 9:41 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:

> Gun bans work! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**comment/telegraph-view/**
> 10062874/Gun-law-in-the-**shires.html
>
> --R
>
> On 5/17/13 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and
>> so-called "safety" pins while removing all restrictions on the possession
>> of any and all types of handguns, rifles, ammo, magazine clips, howitzers,
>> bazookas, and other personal safety devices.  We all know that mechanized
>> firepower that delivers bullets is inherently safer by any statistical
>> measure than everyday household items.  Oops, forgot to mention hammers,
>> pen knives, files, screwdrivers, broken glass, and string (used to
>> strangle
>> people).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>>  Dieselhead wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more likely to
>>> be
>>>
 struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist.  Another
 interesting
 statistic.

  We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
>>> Oh, many times more likely.
>>> We've had over 10,000 people killed by lightning?
>>> Mitch.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] The New S-Class (W222) Dealer Order Guide

[Rich Thomas]

Gotta go buy that Pball tikkie today!

--R

On 5/17/13 1:14 AM, Chris James wrote:


For those of you just dying to find out what wonderful toys, gizmos & 
gadgets you can order on your new (dream?) 2014 S-Class, check out the 
ordering guide here:


http://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-class-w222/499520-2014-s-class-dealer-order-guide.html 




But where has the BlueTEC 4matic gone??




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Re: [MBZ] Vintage MB Ad "The Great Success"

[Rich Thomas]

It's all white people

--R

On 5/17/13 12:31 AM, Chris James wrote:

Check out this 50's ad poster depicting a 300 sedan, entitled: "The
Great Success"

Where is everyone headed all dressed up? A night at the opera, a fancy
dinner party? Perhaps the Ball!

The perfect car for such an occasion! If not the finest in the world at
the time, the Mercedes-Benz 300 was certainly a great post-war success
for Daimler-Benz so soon after rebuilding.

http://www.automobilesdeluxe.tv/and-now-your-automotive-moment-of-zen-cxxxiii/ 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Rich Thomas]

Gun bans work! 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/10062874/Gun-law-in-the-shires.html


--R

On 5/17/13 9:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and
so-called "safety" pins while removing all restrictions on the possession
of any and all types of handguns, rifles, ammo, magazine clips, howitzers,
bazookas, and other personal safety devices.  We all know that mechanized
firepower that delivers bullets is inherently safer by any statistical
measure than everyday household items.  Oops, forgot to mention hammers,
pen knives, files, screwdrivers, broken glass, and string (used to strangle
people).




On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


Dieselhead wrote:

I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more likely to be

struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist.  Another interesting
statistic.


We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
Oh, many times more likely.
We've had over 10,000 people killed by lightning?
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Andrew Strasfogel]

OK, I agree - it's time to ban lightning, pillows, trampolines, and
so-called "safety" pins while removing all restrictions on the possession
of any and all types of handguns, rifles, ammo, magazine clips, howitzers,
bazookas, and other personal safety devices.  We all know that mechanized
firepower that delivers bullets is inherently safer by any statistical
measure than everyday household items.  Oops, forgot to mention hammers,
pen knives, files, screwdrivers, broken glass, and string (used to strangle
people).




On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dieselhead wrote:
>
> I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more likely to be
>> struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist.  Another interesting
>> statistic.
>>
>
> We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
> Oh, many times more likely.
> We've had over 10,000 people killed by lightning?
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tachometer Amp

[Jim Cathey]

I could give the bi-polar one a go if I knew what the signal was 
supposed to be.


It's an AC signal, your tachometer is a frequency meter.
Got a signal generator?  If not, don't worry.  You have a
broken tachometer in-hand, seems to me that the worst that
can happen is that you end up with a broken tachometer.
What have you to lose?  I'd start with resoldering, and
checking/replacing electrolytic capacitors.

In the later 107 clusters there is a single ground, in the speedo,
and it's easy to fry the trace, such as by dropping the clock
power line against the back of the cluster as you take it out
of the car.  The whole cluster gets pretty freaky after that.

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Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux

[dseretakis]

Exciting! 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Finally got some time tonight to fart around with my '78 240D what we 
> replaced the head gasket on last weekend. Actually I didn't really have the 
> time but I forced it in anyway, I couldn't bear to leave it while I'm on 
> vacation next week.
> 
> Anyway buttoned up the cooling system, the oil cooler is a bugger to get 
> installed as it doesn't quite match up to my radiator, oh well.
> 
> Put in nearly a gallon of coolant and an equal part water and ran it for 
> maybe 15 minutes. It came up to temp nice but as usual (for me anyway) was a 
> bastard to burp and get the air out of. I finally figured I was running short 
> of time and shut it down, of course when I did that a big bubble came out. 
> I'll see how sitting for a week helps it.
> 
> I did notice that the major symptom observed before (coolant refusing to stay 
> in the radiator) is GONE. The car also started very easily, with just a touch 
> of the key as Wilton would say. I *think* thats a good sign...
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

I can't remember the number, but you are many more times more likely to 
be struck by lightning than to be killed by a terrorist.  Another 
interesting statistic.


We've had over 3000 people killed by lightning in the last 12 years?
Oh, many times more likely.
We've had over 10,000 people killed by lightning?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Laws vs Enforcement

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

Oh YES!  Good idea!  I think most NRA members, and most 'merkuns would 
support prosecuting DOJ1 for g un trafficking crimes.


DOJ1 = e rick the gu nrunner holdem er


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/05/15/a-few-questions-for-attorney-general-eric-holder-n1597386
http://www.redstate.com/dloesch/2013/05/15/embattled-eric-holder-promises-gun-control/

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