[MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel makes more sense in my situation. All of the reading and listening to SVO advocates and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that viscosity is by and large the silent killer of IP. Some of the tests that I have seen have shown SVO heated to 180 degrees F. which should be normal operating temperature for a properly warmed up system; showing viscosity far in excess of cold No.2 diesel. Mike, you don't have to take my word for it. When you get a chance, read the link on measuring the viscosity of motor oil at ehow; http://www.ehow.com/how_6218753_measure-viscosity-motor-oil.html . Simply run two tests, one for your diesel fuel at ambient temperature and one for your SVO at the normal operating temperature that your system runs. If there is a huge difference then your IP HAS to work harder to pump fuel and would wear more than typical. Jim Cathy's comment about dissolved salts and Grant's comment about pH balances could certainly over a long term have some effects, but IMHO viscosity is the real issue. If you do test your viscosity, please report back since I would love to see if in your situation it is the same as has been reported in other places. Thanks for your time. Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Huh? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Nirvana. There were no firearms involved, except by police, and the citizens (subjects) dutifully waited for the authorities without interfering. Andrew would be proud. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:00 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] where we are headed Interesting: http://www.whoradio.com/pages/simonconway.html London article on the web page. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Special link for Andrew the unarmed but dangerous
On May 28, 2013 10:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2013 22:40:35 -0400 Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: I pay $10/year to the county for each of my fixed dogs. The fee is $250 for an intact dog. I believe cats are the same rate. All dogs are tracked through the local vets, and bills are mailed out if you have forgotten to register. And where do you live, so I can avoid it? Durham, the second most liberal city in NC. Municipalities in the east (Raleigh, Cary, Morrisville, Wilson) are more conservative so that kind of thing would never fly. On the other hand real estate is more expensive in those places; it takes a lot of years of paying dog taxes and the 100% higher property tax to make up for a 20% housing discount. That said I suppose I technically now live in Chapel Hill, the most liberal city in NC, but I haven't quite finished moving in. I don't really know how the tax structure works in CH yet. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trent/XXXXX/Q/Cat
Like I said, some are assembled near Clayton, NC, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent/X/Q/Cat Just saw this. Cats are made Moline Il. There home office is in Pekin Il. Just south of Peoria. Caterpillar, and its predecessor, Caterpillar Tractor Company are well known to be headquartered in Peoria, IL. Pekin is but a 'burb of peoria. They have various plants in many locations, including Morton, IL (also home of Morton buildings) and the Quad Cities area. Cat has threatened often in recent years to relocate outside of the PR of Ill inois, but cash and tax breaks keep them at home.... so far but for now, Caterpillar and Peoria are synonymous. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the IP. While our natural tendency is to look for only one damage factor, in this case, I believe the additive effect of all elements work to decrease the useful service life of the IP. I am active on another diesel only board that deals with Ford trucks with Indirect Injection [pre 1994] and several members there run WVO as well as Waste Motor Oil [50/50 blend with diesel]. What is happening with the IP's on those applications patterns after what I've seen on others. Early failure. Seems the average life is about 2 years instead of the average of 10 seen with Petro Diesel only. Run cheap fuel, buy expensive parts seems to be the mantra. Grant... AZ On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Smith, Todd todd.sm...@camc.org wrote: I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel makes more sense in my situation. All of the reading and listening to SVO advocates and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that viscosity is by and large the silent killer of IP. Some of the tests that I have seen have shown SVO heated to 180 degrees F. which should be normal operating temperature for a properly warmed up system; showing viscosity far in excess of cold No.2 diesel. Mike, you don't have to take my word for it. When you get a chance, read the link on measuring the viscosity of motor oil at ehow; http://www.ehow.com/how_6218753_measure-viscosity-motor-oil.html . Simply run two tests, one for your diesel fuel at ambient temperature and one for your SVO at the normal operating temperature that your system runs. If there is a huge difference then your IP HAS to work harder to pump fuel and would wear more than typical. Jim Cathy's comment about dissolved salts and Grant's comment about pH balances could certainly over a long term have some effects, but IMHO viscosity is the real issue. If you do test your viscosity, please report back since I would love to see if in your situation it is the same as has been reported in other places. Thanks for your time. Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Special link for Andrew the unarmed but dangerous
BOHICA --R On 5/29/13 11:13 AM, Tim Crone wrote: I don't really know how the tax structure works in CH yet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, and I didn't mean to dismiss the other factors as much as I posted since I was trying to give Mike something that he could easily test for himself to see the difference in the fuel. Todd Smith -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:24 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot. I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the IP. While our natural tendency is to look for only one damage factor, in this case, I believe the additive effect of all elements work to decrease the useful service life of the IP. I am active on another diesel only board that deals with Ford trucks with Indirect Injection [pre 1994] and several members there run WVO as well as Waste Motor Oil [50/50 blend with diesel]. What is happening with the IP's on those applications patterns after what I've seen on others. Early failure. Seems the average life is about 2 years instead of the average of 10 seen with Petro Diesel only. Run cheap fuel, buy expensive parts seems to be the mantra. Grant... AZ Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
On 28/05/2013 2:35 PM, WILTON wrote: Both hoods were full up. Probably couldn't have done it with hoods in just normal up position. My thought, too, re. the 13.5 V charging. BTW, SDL charging voltage was 14.27 with 300D battery in it. Wilton What are you getting as the charging voltage in the 300D? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
Rather economically feasible with an old Benz. Whole cars with working pumps are usually under a grand around here. Doesn't take long to add up $1000 worth of fuel @ four bucks a gallon. Mike On May 29, 2013 11:24 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the IP. While our natural tendency is to look for only one damage factor, in this case, I believe the additive effect of all elements work to decrease the useful service life of the IP. I am active on another diesel only board that deals with Ford trucks with Indirect Injection [pre 1994] and several members there run WVO as well as Waste Motor Oil [50/50 blend with diesel]. What is happening with the IP's on those applications patterns after what I've seen on others. Early failure. Seems the average life is about 2 years instead of the average of 10 seen with Petro Diesel only. Run cheap fuel, buy expensive parts seems to be the mantra. Grant... AZ On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Smith, Todd todd.sm...@camc.org wrote: I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel makes more sense in my situation. All of the reading and listening to SVO advocates and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that viscosity is by and large the silent killer of IP. Some of the tests that I have seen have shown SVO heated to 180 degrees F. which should be normal operating temperature for a properly warmed up system; showing viscosity far in excess of cold No.2 diesel. Mike, you don't have to take my word for it. When you get a chance, read the link on measuring the viscosity of motor oil at ehow; http://www.ehow.com/how_6218753_measure-viscosity-motor-oil.html . Simply run two tests, one for your diesel fuel at ambient temperature and one for your SVO at the normal operating temperature that your system runs. If there is a huge difference then your IP HAS to work harder to pump fuel and would wear more than typical. Jim Cathy's comment about dissolved salts and Grant's comment about pH balances could certainly over a long term have some effects, but IMHO viscosity is the real issue. If you do test your viscosity, please report back since I would love to see if in your situation it is the same as has been reported in other places. Thanks for your time. Todd Smith Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel
What sort of pressure do you get at idle when it is hot? I would think that might be lower as the oil will have thinned out? Randy On 28/05/2013 10:30 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Unless you have a lot of time, I'd just get a new oil pump at this stage. Long as you are in there and dirty, just swap the pump and put er back together. Only one time getting oil up to your elbows or armpits that way. Since it was a sudden change in pressure, and you have checked real pressure, it seems to me that the pump or an obstruction on the sump are the likely culprit. 10 psi at idle (cold) on my new HF gauge. :( How do I check the relief valves? Pull the oil pan next? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
There is a place down here in Ocala that had them rebuilt for around $400 last year. Can't remember what the core charge is or if there is any impact if they find it was run on grease. Probably haven't gone up much since then. They may even mail one to you or you could find out how much it would cost to have them put it in. Williams Diesel in Ocala, Fl Manfred Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:07:40 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot. Documented proof WVO isn't good for an injection system. Having an injection pump rebuilt is quite expensive. Find a junkyard one and hope it hasn't been run on WVO. Benzboys(?) in Central Michigan should have one. Mike Canfield and Rick Hawkins should probably do the same, for spares. Attaboy to Grant. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Special link for Andrew the unarmed but, dangerous
They will probably ban them as being too dangerous and life threatening to the felons. Manfred Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:31:28 -0400 From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Special link for Andrew the unarmed but dangerous Be careful, DC will want to tax/regulate/license these home-defense felines if you have too much success... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 90, Issue 210
WOW! Way neat idea! Just gotta make sure to take down the signs before the cops get here. I bet I could bag my limit and more every month. ;-) Manfred Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:49:03 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Special link for Andrew the unarmed but dangerous Perhaps, the man just saw the Gun free zone signs posted in the driveway and believed the household was ripe for invasion. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Indeed, thanks for sharing. Sobering observation. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting: http://www.whoradio.com/pages/simonconway.html London article on the web page. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One success, one vex
Open the sunroof about half way and look at the front edge. Push a plastic pry object between the metal and the liner and pop the liner part down. The clips are on the liner and engage the metal part of the sunroof or vice versa, can't quite remember which. Can't see them when it's all together. Manfred Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:18:44 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: [MBZ] One success, one vex The other vex is the sunroof, which took a tree-branch hit. I did some redneck body work on it and got it mostly pushed back up, but I still need to do a bit more. So I need to get the panel off the bottom. Someone pointed out there were clips on the front to release the liner panel. There are 3 rubber thingies that look like they are mostly to push the wind deflector or keep it sorta tight, not attached to the panel as near as I can tell. I don't see any clips on the front. I am looking at the manual 77-050 but it does not seem to be like what is on the car. Ideas? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 90, Issue 210
Hahahahhaha. in the hunting community.. we call that baiting... don't know if it's allowed in a no limit hunt But I do like how you think ! Grant... On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:06 AM, MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote: WOW! Way neat idea! Just gotta make sure to take down the signs before the cops get here. I bet I could bag my limit and more every month. ;-) Manfred Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:49:03 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Special link for Andrew the unarmed but dangerous Perhaps, the man just saw the Gun free zone signs posted in the driveway and believed the household was ripe for invasion. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing Rear Springs
Incorrect. An SLS car can sag even with the engine running if the base pressure valve has failed. The static height is the result of the spring condition, base pressure, and various bushings. That's why it would be sensible to test whether base pressure is present before wasting money on springs. Especially since the test will take about 15 minutes end-to-end. On 2013-05-28, Max wrote: Correct. SLS is not the problem unless it leaks down and sits low when the engine is off. Probably weak/broken rear springs, or other worn components in the suspension. If you have the time, $ and inclination, complete tear down and replacement of all the suspension links and rear springs is one way to fix this. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It has always been my understanding that SLS compensates for changes in ride height due to load. Springs determine the static ride height as they do on a car with standard shock absorbers. Dan On May 23, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: If you have SLS and it sits low, it needs to be adjusted -- that's what the SLS is for, after all, maintain the ride height. Those springs are cheap because they don't so the main job of holding the car up, the struts do. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I'll substitute liberal. Libs want more/bigger government, less liberty (read less second amendment rights, among others). Libs want citizens dependent on government. Britain is much further down that path, so Libs shouldn't be upset with the British citizens passively watching an un-armed soldier butchered by knife wielding muslims. The passive response is a direct result of increasing size of government (which really means decreasing individual liberty). Perhaps you really are surprised Andrew, but if you feel horror at what happened (citizens merely watching, waiting, filming while the butcher goes on for twenty minutes until the police arrive and shoot the two muslims), then maybe you should reconsider your views on big government. I invite you to go back and read some of those newspaper articles on defensive gun use in the link I sent a couple days ago, and imagine how those might have turned out if the good guys didn't have guns. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Nirvana. There were no firearms involved, except by police, and the citizens (subjects) dutifully waited for the authorities without interfering. Andrew would be proud. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:00 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] where we are headed Interesting: http://www.whoradio.com/pages/simonconway.html London article on the web page. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Indeed, thanks for sharing. Sobering observation. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting: http://www.whoradio.com/pages/simonconway.html London article on the web page. Unfortunately, some of the best american citizens are LEGAL immigrants from places that have already tried Social/marx/commun/ist experiments. Merkun native born sheeple keep forgetting that all that has been tried here many times, from the original plymouth colony, to the Amana colonies to the french icarians in IL to the hippie communes. They all fail. Simon, as an immigrant, has seen Britain fading away and really appreciates the constitution and bill of rights. I first heard Simon on a nawlins station on a terrific rant about curly fry light bulbs. It was hilarious if it were not so serious. I think he fills in in Nawlins still. He still does a morning show in orlando I think, and is on WHO in the afternoon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing Rear Springs
What David says! Thanks for setting me straight. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Incorrect. An SLS car can sag even with the engine running if the base pressure valve has failed. The static height is the result of the spring condition, base pressure, and various bushings. That's why it would be sensible to test whether base pressure is present before wasting money on springs. Especially since the test will take about 15 minutes end-to-end. On 2013-05-28, Max wrote: Correct. SLS is not the problem unless it leaks down and sits low when the engine is off. Probably weak/broken rear springs, or other worn components in the suspension. If you have the time, $ and inclination, complete tear down and replacement of all the suspension links and rear springs is one way to fix this. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It has always been my understanding that SLS compensates for changes in ride height due to load. Springs determine the static ride height as they do on a car with standard shock absorbers. Dan On May 23, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: If you have SLS and it sits low, it needs to be adjusted -- that's what the SLS is for, after all, maintain the ride height. Those springs are cheap because they don't so the main job of holding the car up, the struts do. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I'll substitute liberal. Libs want more/bigger government, less liberty (read less second amendment rights, among others). Libs want citizens dependent on government. Britain is much further down that path, so Libs shouldn't be upset with the British citizens passively watching an un-armed soldier butchered by knife wielding muslims. The passive response is a direct result of increasing size of government (which really means decreasing individual liberty). Perhaps you really are surprised Andrew, but if you feel horror at what happened (citizens merely watching, waiting, filming while the butcher goes on for twenty minutes until the police arrive and shoot the two muslims), then maybe you should reconsider your views on big government. I invite you to go back and read some of those newspaper articles on defensive gun use in the link I sent a couple days ago, and imagine how those might have turned out if the good guys didn't have guns. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 In honor of Todd Beamer, and many others, I sure hope the majority of Americans are more like Todd Beamer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Getting a life = keeping on topic so we can exchange our ideas and experiences with MB diesels. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I'll substitute liberal. Libs want more/bigger government, less liberty (read less second amendment rights, among others). Libs want citizens dependent on government. Britain is much further down that path, so Libs shouldn't be upset with the British citizens passively watching an un-armed soldier butchered by knife wielding muslims. The passive response is a direct result of increasing size of government (which really means decreasing individual liberty). Perhaps you really are surprised Andrew, but if you feel horror at what happened (citizens merely watching, waiting, filming while the butcher goes on for twenty minutes until the police arrive and shoot the two muslims), then maybe you should reconsider your views on big government. I invite you to go back and read some of those newspaper articles on defensive gun use in the link I sent a couple days ago, and imagine how those might have turned out if the good guys didn't have guns. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 In honor of Todd Beamer, and many others, I sure hope the majority of Americans are more like Todd Beamer. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Will you stop picking at straw men called 'teabaggers'? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
a straw man named Andrew I always thought that a straw man was an imaginary person or with a misrepresentation of his actual position, not a real person who states his positions clearly and eloquently. Own up to your beliefs and defend them or not. Don't pretend these digs are against a straw man. Greg, who is ready to admit he is wrong when presented with proof in terms of facts and logical arguments. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Getting a life = keeping on topic so we can exchange our ideas and experiences with MB diesels. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I'll substitute liberal. Libs want more/bigger government, less liberty (read less second amendment rights, among others). Libs want citizens dependent on government. Britain is much further down that path, so Libs shouldn't be upset with the British citizens passively watching an un-armed soldier butchered by knife wielding muslims. The passive response is a direct result of increasing size of government (which really means decreasing individual liberty). Perhaps you really are surprised Andrew, but if you feel horror at what happened (citizens merely watching, waiting, filming while the butcher goes on for twenty minutes until the police arrive and shoot the two muslims), then maybe you should reconsider your views on big government. I invite you to go back and read some of those newspaper articles on defensive gun use in the link I sent a couple days ago, and imagine how those might have turned out if the good guys didn't have guns. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 In honor of Todd Beamer, and many others, I sure hope the majority of Americans are more like Todd Beamer. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comht tp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
On 29/05/2013 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Getting a life = keeping on topic so we can exchange our ideas and experiences with MB diesels. I am all for that. You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. I might even by encouraged to do some work on my poor old car if I had to keep up with you folks. As it is, my issues have been accumulating but I have not done much about them. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Or a wicker man? --R On 5/29/13 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: quite picking at a straw man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On 28/05/2013 2:35 PM, WILTON wrote: Both hoods were full up. Probably couldn't have done it with hoods in just normal up position. My thought, too, re. the 13.5 V charging. BTW, SDL charging voltage was 14.27 with 300D battery in it. Wilton What are you getting as the charging voltage in the 300D? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I was at the store at lunch and saw a gorgeous 115 300D, maroon color, looked brand new. It was idling a bit noisily though. --R On 5/29/13 3:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy On 29/05/2013 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I was at the store at lunch and saw a gorgeous 115 300D, maroon color, looked brand new. It was idling a bit noisily though. --R On 5/29/13 3:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? If not, then those are not charging voltages. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
Engines at idle. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? If not, then those are not charging voltages. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R On 5/29/13 3:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy On 29/05/2013 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I was at the store at lunch and saw a gorgeous 115 300D, maroon color, looked brand new. It was idling a bit noisily though. --R On 5/29/13 3:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
On 29/05/2013 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R What sort of stuff are we speaking of? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:59:43 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Engines at idle. The 300D voltage is very low. The SDL voltage is a little low. Craig On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Lubromoly Diesel Purge. Or a long highway trip, if the engine is properly tuned (valves, timing chain, injection timing). Or add a fresh can of non-synthetic engine oil to the next tank of fuel. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 29/05/2013 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R What sort of stuff are we speaking of? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hendrik should send us cases
http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/37535 I know there are a number of us who can use this clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
Much better. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Lubromoly Diesel Purge. Or a long highway trip, if the engine is properly tuned (valves, timing chain, injection timing). Or add a fresh can of non-synthetic engine oil to the next tank of fuel. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 29/05/2013 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R What sort of stuff are we speaking of? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
My thoughts, too, 'bout charging voltage. Shoulda called it voltage across bat terminals with engines at idle and no load on systems. Didn't chk bat V before starting and after running few minutes, but I suspect both bats are fully charged; SDL bat is new/never driven. I'll check V's again tomorrow before starting, running, run bat's down a bit with headlights on with engines off, then chk V for re-charge, etc. Not gonna mess with 'em any more today. SDL charging V was 14.27 yesterday with 300D battery in it after having tortured that battery the day before trying to jump start SDL. BTW, both start in the usual manner with just a touch of starter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:59:43 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Engines at idle. The 300D voltage is very low. The SDL voltage is a little low. Craig On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
We're on a road to nowhere --R On 5/29/13 4:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Much better. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Lubromoly Diesel Purge. Or a long highway trip, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I don't have a 115 but my 240D is only 2 years newer than your car. Today it got 2 new radiator hoses and a fill with G05 coolant. Its about 50/50 green stuff but even the green stuff is very new so I'm not too worried about it. I'll drain and refill next year with all G05. Yesterday I changed the M1 15w50 and with all that done I'm about ready to call the headgasket saga finished. The last step is to adjust the valves, maybe this weekend... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:30:47 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Message-ID: 51a65767.5030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/05/2013 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Getting a life = keeping on topic so we can exchange our ideas and experiences with MB diesels. I am all for that. You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. I might even by encouraged to do some work on my poor old car if I had to keep up with you folks. As it is, my issues have been accumulating but I have not done much about them. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:59:43 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Engines at idle. The 300D voltage is very low. The SDL voltage is a little low. Craig On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? Somebody electronically talented can correct me if this is wrong, but I believe that the electronic voltage regulators are made so that the charging voltage (and amps) are reduced as the battery approaches full charge. Therefore, both of his cars may be charging properly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel
I'm amazed by bio-diesels quieting ability, even just B05 is stunning and the change is quick. Historically I've run a quart of motor oil through the engine (by dumping it in the tank) once or twice a year, it also does a lot to quiet a noisy engine. Now that I have easy access to biodiesel (well, it adds a bit to the commute so I do it on Fridays) I'm going that route instead. Another thing I've done when I noticed the engine getting rough was to put a full bottle of PowerService Diesel Kleen (the quart bottle) into a 1/4 tank of diesel and run that as far down as I dare. One time I did that it was like new motor mounts in a bottle. I clearly had some crud in the system. That said if your valves are more than 30,000 miles they MUST be adjusted before bothering with anything else. I think the factory interval is more like 15,000. -Curt Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:02:03 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Message-ID: 51a65ebb.3000...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R On 5/29/13 3:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I have the new coolant and need to do that too. I bought the car in July 2005 and have yet to change out the coolant. Randy On 29/05/2013 4:20 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't have a 115 but my 240D is only 2 years newer than your car. Today it got 2 new radiator hoses and a fill with G05 coolant. Its about 50/50 green stuff but even the green stuff is very new so I'm not too worried about it. I'll drain and refill next year with all G05. Yesterday I changed the M1 15w50 and with all that done I'm about ready to call the headgasket saga finished. The last step is to adjust the valves, maybe this weekend... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:30:47 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Message-ID: 51a65767.5030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/05/2013 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Getting a life = keeping on topic so we can exchange our ideas and experiences with MB diesels. I am all for that. You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. I might even by encouraged to do some work on my poor old car if I had to keep up with you folks. As it is, my issues have been accumulating but I have not done much about them. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel
I need to take a look at the valves too. I bought the wrench set but have yet to try them. I have put about 12 or 13K miles on the car since I got it and it has had several high speed highway runs including the weekend of May 18. I drove it to the cottage on the Saturday morning and back to the city on the Monday. About 175 miles each way at highway speeds ranging up to about 70 mph or more when passing. It ran fine and I think I noted earlier that it is interesting to just listen to the engine as I don't have a radio or stereo in it at the moment - just a hole in the dash where it should be - and the trip back was just me so no one to talk to or listen to either. Randy On 29/05/2013 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm amazed by bio-diesels quieting ability, even just B05 is stunning and the change is quick. Historically I've run a quart of motor oil through the engine (by dumping it in the tank) once or twice a year, it also does a lot to quiet a noisy engine. Now that I have easy access to biodiesel (well, it adds a bit to the commute so I do it on Fridays) I'm going that route instead. Another thing I've done when I noticed the engine getting rough was to put a full bottle of PowerService Diesel Kleen (the quart bottle) into a 1/4 tank of diesel and run that as far down as I dare. One time I did that it was like new motor mounts in a bottle. I clearly had some crud in the system. That said if your valves are more than 30,000 miles they MUST be adjusted before bothering with anything else. I think the factory interval is more like 15,000. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hendrik should send us cases
I'll take a case... free shipping right? Grant... ;)) Who loves to pull Hendriks chain just a bit. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/37535 I know there are a number of us who can use this clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Refreshing the web page
I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
The response is that of sheep or slaves. The populace is rendered incapable of action, because they have no self motivation. Big brother will keep us fed, clothed and safe. Let the workers pay for our care with their taxes. We must not think, or that will harm our ability to continue enslaved to the master whose benevolent fist doles out scraps of food and meager shelter. If we had to find these things on our own, we would surely perish. Maybe people need to understand that it is life and death. The ability to compete and remain alive by ones own hand is going to keep you alive when the outside support goes away. The enslaved do not want to consider a future where that is possible. Heaven forbid a weather system or natural occurrence slow the delivery of services. Should these slaves be required to assist in their own survival, maybe they would be open to ensuring the survival of others as well. As it is, they depend on somebody else to do the thinking and action for them. Better to remain an enslaved child, than a responsible adult. clay On May 29, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Max wrote: I'll substitute liberal. Libs want more/bigger government, less liberty (read less second amendment rights, among others). Libs want citizens dependent on government. Britain is much further down that path, so Libs shouldn't be upset with the British citizens passively watching an un-armed soldier butchered by knife wielding muslims. The passive response is a direct result of increasing size of government (which really means decreasing individual liberty). Perhaps you really are surprised Andrew, but if you feel horror at what happened (citizens merely watching, waiting, filming while the butcher goes on for twenty minutes until the police arrive and shoot the two muslims), then maybe you should reconsider your views on big government. I invite you to go back and read some of those newspaper articles on defensive gun use in the link I sent a couple days ago, and imagine how those might have turned out if the good guys didn't have guns. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Nirvana. There were no firearms involved, except by police, and the citizens (subjects) dutifully waited for the authorities without interfering. Andrew would be proud. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:00 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] where we are headed Interesting: http://www.whoradio.com/pages/simonconway.html London article on the web page. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
I found it was the fuel. Our lower cetane #2 is pretty bad for allowing an engine to run smoothly. Not enough of the toxins that used to be in it to deal with age and engineering. The change in sound and feel after using even half a gallon of BioD would reduce decibels and smooth out the engine. The same happens with the E300. Dino is just noisy. Must be the grunts of the poor dead dinos as they are squished in the engine. A bit of cod liver oil always makes thing flow smoothly clay On May 29, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy On 29/05/2013 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I was at the store at lunch and saw a gorgeous 115 300D, maroon color, looked brand new. It was idling a bit noisily though. --R On 5/29/13 3:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
I sent you a list of stuff I need yesterday, have not heard back. --R On 5/29/13 6:07 PM, Trent Fiorini wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
ATF in the fuel with a bit toward the end of your oil change cycle. Supposed to run your engine for around 30 miles with a quart of ATF scrubbing out the sludge. Big rigs would get a oil swap with ATF and just be run for an hour, then drain and fill with normal oil. Black sludge comes out and then you are on your way. Meant to extend how long you remain on the road without having your engine torn down and redone. clay On May 29, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Max wrote: Lubromoly Diesel Purge. Or a long highway trip, if the engine is properly tuned (valves, timing chain, injection timing). Or add a fresh can of non-synthetic engine oil to the next tank of fuel. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 29/05/2013 3:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R What sort of stuff are we speaking of? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel
Unsolicited Advice on adjusting diesel valves in iron head 617s. Before you start the 617 MBZ valve adjustment, have a spare valve cover gasket on hand unless you know the old gasket to be OK (still soft and not too deformed). Removing the valve cover can be a big step if you have the kind with a bunch of vacuum control switches and hoses in the way. If so, label or photograph before you start so it goes back together right. The vacuum plumbing seemed to change every model year and some was complex. When you actually adjust the valves #1 BE PATIENT and #2 only adjust a little at a time. The setting will change as you tighten the jam nuts but you can anticipate that somewhat. Don't just start adjusting; use your feeler gauges to establish the initial gap on each valve before you unlock the jam nuts. This will really speed the process if you know how much each valve setting needs to change. If your belts are adjusted right you should be able to turn the engine via the nut on the power steering pump; this is way easier than turning via the crankshaft nut. Always turn clockwise; if you overshoot just go on to the next valve. You will not be adjusting the valves in a simple order so I find it useful to make a drawing (or copy one from the book) of the head so you can mark pre and post settings for each valve as you do it. Without such an aid, it is surprisingly easy to lose track of what has been adjusted. A few valves (like #5) are frustrating. Have patience. The Hazlet wrenches are great but it is possible (less fun) adjust with regular wrenches. Occasionally, a regular straight 15 degree wrench will be easier to use than the Hazlet wrenches. Finally, I prefer to wear nitrile gloves when working on Diesels (and other things). When you need a clean hand the gloves wipe clean easier than skin and your finger nails will get clean was sooner. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel I need to take a look at the valves too. I bought the wrench set but have yet to try them. I have put about 12 or 13K miles on the car since I got it and it has had several high speed highway runs including the weekend of May 18. I drove it to the cottage on the Saturday morning and back to the city on the Monday. About 175 miles each way at highway speeds ranging up to about 70 mph or more when passing. It ran fine and I think I noted earlier that it is interesting to just listen to the engine as I don't have a radio or stereo in it at the moment - just a hole in the dash where it should be - and the trip back was just me so no one to talk to or listen to either. Randy On 29/05/2013 4:27 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm amazed by bio-diesels quieting ability, even just B05 is stunning and the change is quick. Historically I've run a quart of motor oil through the engine (by dumping it in the tank) once or twice a year, it also does a lot to quiet a noisy engine. Now that I have easy access to biodiesel (well, it adds a bit to the commute so I do it on Fridays) I'm going that route instead. Another thing I've done when I noticed the engine getting rough was to put a full bottle of PowerService Diesel Kleen (the quart bottle) into a 1/4 tank of diesel and run that as far down as I dare. One time I did that it was like new motor mounts in a bottle. I clearly had some crud in the system. That said if your valves are more than 30,000 miles they MUST be adjusted before bothering with anything else. I think the factory interval is more like 15,000. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
On Wed, 29 May 2013 17:02:01 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, both start in the usual manner with just a touch of starter. Have you replaced the SDL battery? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel
Manual calls for no more than 15k on valves. That would be around three years for me, but I did it annually. Pretty good idea I had was to do the brakes, trans and valves, but gave up and did valves sooner. BioD does tend to seep into the IP, so I would drain the pump every year when I did valves and fill with good oil. By the time I was doing valves, the injector pump was running on BioD and not oil, so it allowed me to keep an eye on it, the condition of the cams, and amount of blowby coating the valve cover. Six $$$ for a gasket was worth the price. clay On May 29, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm amazed by bio-diesels quieting ability, even just B05 is stunning and the change is quick. Historically I've run a quart of motor oil through the engine (by dumping it in the tank) once or twice a year, it also does a lot to quiet a noisy engine. Now that I have easy access to biodiesel (well, it adds a bit to the commute so I do it on Fridays) I'm going that route instead. Another thing I've done when I noticed the engine getting rough was to put a full bottle of PowerService Diesel Kleen (the quart bottle) into a 1/4 tank of diesel and run that as far down as I dare. One time I did that it was like new motor mounts in a bottle. I clearly had some crud in the system. That said if your valves are more than 30,000 miles they MUST be adjusted before bothering with anything else. I think the factory interval is more like 15,000. -Curt Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:02:03 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Message-ID: 51a65ebb.3000...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R On 5/29/13 3:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I had a 79 300TD I was resurrecting and it made a bad nailing sound. A Diesel Purge treatment quieted it right down but the nailing soon returned. Then I replaced the injectors (remans from Rusty) and that was a lasting fix. A Diesel Purge treatment never hurts and it can be a good (and relatively cheap) diagnostic. If the noise goes away, it's injectors. If the noise comes back you need to rebuild or replace them. Back then, you could buy the replacement pintle/seat element but you would also need a pop tester and shims to set the pop pressure. Reman injectors were only about $10 more so that's what I got. Reman injectors should be in spec (pop-pressure wise) but the probably won't be matched to each other. Be aware that the turbo and NA injectors are identical except the turbo injectors are shimmed to pop at a higher pressure; so you need the right ones. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy On 29/05/2013 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I was at the store at lunch and saw a gorgeous 115 300D, maroon color, looked brand new. It was idling a bit noisily though. --R On 5/29/13 3:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
That is a wonderful idea. This then allows any purchaser to also put an order in for any needed parts for their new car. Maybe that is just my perversion. I like to have a fresh slate when I get a car. All fluids and filters, as well as standard maintenance items accomplished in one fell swoop. That way I can set the clock based on that state instead of trying to guess what the PO did or did not do. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On May 29, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Trent Fiorini wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
I think you need to pay me $2500 a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Check out the comments on the black SLS
Priceless https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.648700928491273.1073741870.112336898794348type=3 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
Wilton, I think your voltages are OK. It's normal for a NEW battery to be somewhat discharged. It likely sat on the shelf for weeks between the time the electrolyte was added and the time you bought it. All lead-acid batteries self-discharge. The fact you saw 14.2+ volts with a relatively topped up battery (from the 300D) indicates descent alternator function. Lead-acid batteries die for a variety of reasons but chronic undercharging (or sitting without recharge) is the most common cause. You generally cannot draw a conclusion from just the battery charging voltage unless you also know the charge current or the battery state of charge. I don't have tech data all Bosch regulators. But here's what you should see: Phase 1: The alternator will put out the maximum charge current until the voltage reaches 14.2-14.4 volts. The RPM limits the maximimn current the alternator can produce. With the engine idling, this may not be a lot of current so the voltage could be anything between 12.5 volts and 14.4 volts. If you rev the engine the alternator should produce more current and you should see a higher voltage in this phase. Phase 2: The battery is mostly charged and the alternator can produce more than enough current to get the voltage to 14.2-14.4 volts. Now the regulator reduces the charge current so the voltage does not exceed the preset 14.2-14.4 volts. If you drew a graph of current vs time you would see the current tapering off asymptotically as the battery approaches full charge. Plug-in battery maintainers and some AC chargers have a third phase where the voltage drops down to about 13.8 volts (trickle charge) after the battery is fully charged (defined as charged to the point the charge current below threshold at 14.x volts). I don't know if Bosch regulators do this or not. Because you don't drive 24 hours a day for days at a time, this trickle mode isn't as important in an alternator. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? My thoughts, too, 'bout charging voltage. Shoulda called it voltage across bat terminals with engines at idle and no load on systems. Didn't chk bat V before starting and after running few minutes, but I suspect both bats are fully charged; SDL bat is new/never driven. I'll check V's again tomorrow before starting, running, run bat's down a bit with headlights on with engines off, then chk V for re-charge, etc. Not gonna mess with 'em any more today. SDL charging V was 14.27 yesterday with 300D battery in it after having tortured that battery the day before trying to jump start SDL. BTW, both start in the usual manner with just a touch of starter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:59:43 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Engines at idle. The 300D voltage is very low. The SDL voltage is a little low. Craig On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
SDL battery was replaced yesterday - new battery. You musta missed it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On Wed, 29 May 2013 17:02:01 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: BTW, both start in the usual manner with just a touch of starter. Have you replaced the SDL battery? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
Great! Wilt - Original Message - From: Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
Wilton: Oh by the way. Are your alternator belts tight? If the belt(s) can slip you will still see a nice 14.x volts with a well-charged battery. But a discharged battery will load the alternator causing the belts to slip and the battery won't get charged. I found out the hard way. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? Wilton, I think your voltages are OK. It's normal for a NEW battery to be somewhat discharged. It likely sat on the shelf for weeks between the time the electrolyte was added and the time you bought it. All lead-acid batteries self-discharge. The fact you saw 14.2+ volts with a relatively topped up battery (from the 300D) indicates descent alternator function. Lead-acid batteries die for a variety of reasons but chronic undercharging (or sitting without recharge) is the most common cause. You generally cannot draw a conclusion from just the battery charging voltage unless you also know the charge current or the battery state of charge. I don't have tech data all Bosch regulators. But here's what you should see: Phase 1: The alternator will put out the maximum charge current until the voltage reaches 14.2-14.4 volts. The RPM limits the maximimn current the alternator can produce. With the engine idling, this may not be a lot of current so the voltage could be anything between 12.5 volts and 14.4 volts. If you rev the engine the alternator should produce more current and you should see a higher voltage in this phase. Phase 2: The battery is mostly charged and the alternator can produce more than enough current to get the voltage to 14.2-14.4 volts. Now the regulator reduces the charge current so the voltage does not exceed the preset 14.2-14.4 volts. If you drew a graph of current vs time you would see the current tapering off asymptotically as the battery approaches full charge. Plug-in battery maintainers and some AC chargers have a third phase where the voltage drops down to about 13.8 volts (trickle charge) after the battery is fully charged (defined as charged to the point the charge current below threshold at 14.x volts). I don't know if Bosch regulators do this or not. Because you don't drive 24 hours a day for days at a time, this trickle mode isn't as important in an alternator. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? My thoughts, too, 'bout charging voltage. Shoulda called it voltage across bat terminals with engines at idle and no load on systems. Didn't chk bat V before starting and after running few minutes, but I suspect both bats are fully charged; SDL bat is new/never driven. I'll check V's again tomorrow before starting, running, run bat's down a bit with headlights on with engines off, then chk V for re-charge, etc. Not gonna mess with 'em any more today. SDL charging V was 14.27 yesterday with 300D battery in it after having tortured that battery the day before trying to jump start SDL. BTW, both start in the usual manner with just a touch of starter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:59:43 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Engines at idle. The 300D voltage is very low. The SDL voltage is a little low. Craig On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
now what Kaleb? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I think you need to pay me $2500 a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
In your email box Rich On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I think you need to pay me $2500 a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trent/XXXXX/Q/Cat
I always thought cats were made by their parents wherever they lived? Oh well, what do I know. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Buymbparts Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent/X/Q/Cat Just saw this. Cats are made Moline Il. There home office is in Pekin Il. Just south of Peoria. Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2013, at 7:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Just curious; there's a Cat assembly plant not far from here - Clayton, NC. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent/X/Q/Cat Depends on model, US, China, Japan and some other places probably. Hendrik whose cat was made in Japan On 08/05/13 09:14, WILTON wrote: Where are your Cats built? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
'Had a thought about the SDL belt coupla days ago; glanced at belt and tensioner and didn't see anything strange. I'll look closer and feel tomorrow. Belt and tensioner pulley and spring are fairly new - 'bout a year - 5 kmi. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? Wilton: Oh by the way. Are your alternator belts tight? If the belt(s) can slip you will still see a nice 14.x volts with a well-charged battery. But a discharged battery will load the alternator causing the belts to slip and the battery won't get charged. I found out the hard way. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? Wilton, I think your voltages are OK. It's normal for a NEW battery to be somewhat discharged. It likely sat on the shelf for weeks between the time the electrolyte was added and the time you bought it. All lead-acid batteries self-discharge. The fact you saw 14.2+ volts with a relatively topped up battery (from the 300D) indicates descent alternator function. Lead-acid batteries die for a variety of reasons but chronic undercharging (or sitting without recharge) is the most common cause. You generally cannot draw a conclusion from just the battery charging voltage unless you also know the charge current or the battery state of charge. I don't have tech data all Bosch regulators. But here's what you should see: Phase 1: The alternator will put out the maximum charge current until the voltage reaches 14.2-14.4 volts. The RPM limits the maximimn current the alternator can produce. With the engine idling, this may not be a lot of current so the voltage could be anything between 12.5 volts and 14.4 volts. If you rev the engine the alternator should produce more current and you should see a higher voltage in this phase. Phase 2: The battery is mostly charged and the alternator can produce more than enough current to get the voltage to 14.2-14.4 volts. Now the regulator reduces the charge current so the voltage does not exceed the preset 14.2-14.4 volts. If you drew a graph of current vs time you would see the current tapering off asymptotically as the battery approaches full charge. Plug-in battery maintainers and some AC chargers have a third phase where the voltage drops down to about 13.8 volts (trickle charge) after the battery is fully charged (defined as charged to the point the charge current below threshold at 14.x volts). I don't know if Bosch regulators do this or not. Because you don't drive 24 hours a day for days at a time, this trickle mode isn't as important in an alternator. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? My thoughts, too, 'bout charging voltage. Shoulda called it voltage across bat terminals with engines at idle and no load on systems. Didn't chk bat V before starting and after running few minutes, but I suspect both bats are fully charged; SDL bat is new/never driven. I'll check V's again tomorrow before starting, running, run bat's down a bit with headlights on with engines off, then chk V for re-charge, etc. Not gonna mess with 'em any more today. SDL charging V was 14.27 yesterday with 300D battery in it after having tortured that battery the day before trying to jump start SDL. BTW, both start in the usual manner with just a touch of starter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter? On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:59:43 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Engines at idle. The 300D voltage is very low. The SDL voltage is a little low. Craig On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:40:27 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 300D charging V now, with its old battery and after driving it on 2 trips around town today = 13.10. SDL charging V now (not driven since new battery yesterday) = 13.77. Are those voltages measured with the engine running (and preferably above idle)? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL not charging? - starter?
On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:19:05 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: SDL battery was replaced yesterday - new battery. You musta missed it. Yup, I sure did. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:35:14 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: ATF in the fuel with a bit toward the end of your oil change cycle. Supposed to run your engine for around 30 miles with a quart of ATF scrubbing out the sludge. Big rigs would get a oil swap with ATF and just be run for an hour, then drain and fill with normal oil. Black sludge comes out and then you are on your way. Meant to extend how long you remain on the road without having your engine torn down and redone. What truck drivers do to their big rigs with direct injection and what is best for our MBs with indirect injection are two different things. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
Oh rusty did not tell you I get my $2500 per month fee plus free parts? Man rusty, I can't believe you left that part out of the deal. Oh well. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: now what Kaleb? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I think you need to pay me $2500 a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
I forgot, sorry. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sender: Mercedes mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:08:52 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page Oh rusty did not tell you I get my $2500 per month fee plus free parts? Man rusty, I can't believe you left that part out of the deal. Oh well. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: now what Kaleb? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I think you need to pay me $2500 a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel
I've noticed the same quieting effect with biodiesel. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm amazed by bio-diesels quieting ability, even just B05 is stunning and the change is quick. Historically I've run a quart of motor oil through the engine (by dumping it in the tank) once or twice a year, it also does a lot to quiet a noisy engine. Now that I have easy access to biodiesel (well, it adds a bit to the commute so I do it on Fridays) I'm going that route instead. Another thing I've done when I noticed the engine getting rough was to put a full bottle of PowerService Diesel Kleen (the quart bottle) into a 1/4 tank of diesel and run that as far down as I dare. One time I did that it was like new motor mounts in a bottle. I clearly had some crud in the system. That said if your valves are more than 30,000 miles they MUST be adjusted before bothering with anything else. I think the factory interval is more like 15,000. -Curt Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:02:03 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Message-ID: 51a65ebb.3000...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think Der Diesel Doktor said injectors were likely to blame -- run some of that stuff through them and see if it quietens? --R On 5/29/13 3:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Mine probably does too. I have no real means of comparison as I am the only one I know of locally who owns one of these old cars. I had a friend with a similar vintage 240D and my recollection of it is that it was quieter than my car. So what is the likely reason for a diesel being noisy? I think I have been told it would might help to check the adjustment on the valves. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
Rusty told me $1500.00 a month, and half priced parts. You pay your own shipping. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Rusty Cullens rustycull...@gmail.comwrote: I forgot, sorry. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sender: Mercedes mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:08:52 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page Oh rusty did not tell you I get my $2500 per month fee plus free parts? Man rusty, I can't believe you left that part out of the deal. Oh well. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: now what Kaleb? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I think you need to pay me $2500 a month. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Trent Fiorini buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Trent Fiorini BuyMBparts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 buymbpa...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Refreshing the web page
Didn't get it. Were you talking to me? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I sent you a list of stuff I need yesterday, have not heard back. --R On 5/29/13 6:07 PM, Trent Fiorini wrote: I think you all know I am going to freshen up the web page making it a little easier to use, and a little faster. I am also thinking of adding 'Mercedes for sale.' A person wanting to sell their Mercedes can post pictures and list it for free on my web site. What do you think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where we are headed
So how is she running? Did you successfully burp the cooling system? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't have a 115 but my 240D is only 2 years newer than your car. Today it got 2 new radiator hoses and a fill with G05 coolant. Its about 50/50 green stuff but even the green stuff is very new so I'm not too worried about it. I'll drain and refill next year with all G05. Yesterday I changed the M1 15w50 and with all that done I'm about ready to call the headgasket saga finished. The last step is to adjust the valves, maybe this weekend... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:30:47 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] where we are headed Message-ID: 51a65767.5030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/05/2013 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You all really need to get a life and quite picking at a straw man named Andrew. Getting a life = keeping on topic so we can exchange our ideas and experiences with MB diesels. I am all for that. You all need to go find some old 115 models so that I would have some company. I might even by encouraged to do some work on my poor old car if I had to keep up with you folks. As it is, my issues have been accumulating but I have not done much about them. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check out the comments on the black SLS
The ivory one is one of the best-looking ones in the bunch. Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] Check out the comments on the black SLS Priceless https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.648700928491273.1073741870.112336898794348type=3 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches
Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my machinists chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter, number, fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are not stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to measure them. I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are charts giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the two links below. Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to use a drill gauge for this purpose?. Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench? Any suggestions? It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking. http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8390 (20130529) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Check out the comments on the black SLS
My vote goes to the silver 400E! A great shot taken in Yellowstone National Park, looks like it came straight from a brochure! On 5/29/2013 8:50 PM, WILTON wrote: The ivory one is one of the best-looking ones in the bunch. Wilt -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches
For the larger ones a 6 point socket set will get the majority of them. Mike On May 29, 2013 9:01 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my machinists chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter, number, fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are not stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to measure them. I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are charts giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the two links below. Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to use a drill gauge for this purpose?. Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench? Any suggestions? It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking. http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8390 (20130529) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches
Yes there are metric drill bits. One way to quickly measure is with a metric/SAE caliper, along with a chart to convert decimal (SAE) to fractions. HF has one you can have for $10 with a coupon from any of the usual mags. It is certainly accurate enough for that purpose and faster than a mic. The idea is to switch the caliper back and forth from metric to SAE until you match a size. Most metric Allen keys are integer sizes. The tougher trick is then to store them so you can pick the correct size. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:01 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my machinists chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter, number, fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are not stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to measure them. I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are charts giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the two links below. Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to use a drill gauge for this purpose?. Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench? Any suggestions? It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking. http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8390 (20130529) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches
Michael Canfield wrote: For the larger ones a 6 point socket set will get the majority of them. Good idea. A hex key will fit a drill gauge that's 1.155x as big as the key. Example: 6mmx1.155=6.93mm or 17.5/64 inch. If it's a bit loose in the 9/32 drill gauge hole and won't go in the 17/64, it's probably 6mm. I'd find it faster to use a digital caliper than to do the math. I paid about $10 for my Harbor Freight / Central Tools caliper, and it switches from mm to inch at the touch of a button. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quieting a noisy diesel
BioDiesel (the good stuff) is the elixir of mechanically injected MB OM-series engines. (and other mechanically injected Diesels) I've noticed the same quieting effect with biodiesel. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm amazed by bio-diesels quieting ability, even just B05 is stunning and the change is quick. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches
You need 3 things. 1. Vernier caliper, digital, Harbor Freight.. $9 and change on sale 2. A drill and tap chart that lists all known decimal, number, and letter drill sizes in both metric and SAE measurements. 3. Some scrap blocks of 2x4 long enough to drill a nice straight line of holes [or several straight lines of holes] the size of each drill with the size written in pencil at that hole. Same for the hex keys The Harbor Freight caliper will measure both in inch and metric at the push of a button.. Then all you have to do is put the drill or hex key back in the hole it fits in when you use it. Problem resolved. Grant... AZ On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Slowly, I have been sorting out the fistfuls of drill bits in my machinists chests, and, with the help of the three drill gauges (letter, number, fraction), I can determine the correct sizes of the ones that are not stamped. Or to really waste lots of time, I have used a micrometer to measure them. I want to now begin sorting the numerous loose hex wrenches that inhabit these drawers so that I can discontinue my established practice of using trial and error as a method of finding the correct Allen wrench to fit a particular application (who was Allen anyway?). I know that there are charts giving the various SAE and Metric sizes, such as the charts in the two links below. Since using a micrometer is far too slow, I would like to find something equivalent to a drill gauge that will indicate the size. Is there a way to use a drill gauge for this purpose?. Is there a way to distinguish a metric from an SAE hex wrench? Any suggestions? It occurs to me as a write this to ask if there are metric drill bits. I have never noticed a drill bit with a metric marking. http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/allen-wrench-conversion.htm http://home.howstuffworks.com/where-find-allen-wrench-size-chart.htm Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8390 (20130529) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
